Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Ant Man & Wolves win Game 3 + Derek Carr retires from NFL

Episode Date: May 11, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Round 2 of the NBA Playoffs featuring, Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves defeating the Golden State Warriors in Game 3, Derek Carr retiring from the NFL, and much more!01:47 - Intro03:30 - Warriors vs T-Wolves25:00 - Celtics vs Knicks32:16 - Nuggets beat Thunder41:50 - Pat Riley on Jimmy Butler trade fiasco49:11 - Derek Carr announces retirement from NFL54:55 - Saints coach Kellen Moore to rotate all QBs(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the Wolves go on the road, take down the Golden State Warriors 102-97, go up and snatch home court back 2-1. It took an outstanding game from Julius Randle. A triple-double, 24 points, 12 assists,

10 rebounds. He also, for good measure, had three steals. But Ant-man took over the second half he had 15 big points in the third 13 big points in the fourth and jayden mcdaniels came along in the third quarter he was one or one from the three what two or two from the free throw line big big points for him and they go on the road and they uh get home court back and take a 2-1 series lead. Now, Jimmy Butler was having an outstanding game.

He had 33 points with about eight and a half minutes to go. And he didn't score another point. He was gassed, Ocho. He played 43 big minutes. He played the most. Ant-Man played 44. Ant-Man might have played the entire second half because he normally gets a break at the fourth quarter, at the intermission, so he plays the whole he normally gets a break at the, at the fourth quarter at the intermission.

So he plays the whole third quarter and normally starts on the bench in the fourth quarter. But Chris French, like nah, bro, you got to suck it up. And plus you're only 22, 23 years old.

I think he might be 24, but you got to go. And he went and he did what he was supposed to do. What a superstar supposed to do. Find ways. He got aggressive, got to the line and man, that hammer dunk that he put on Kevon Looney,

it got him going, it got this team going, and they snatched back home court 102-97 from the Golden State Warriors. Ocho, watching this game, how it shaped up, I thought the Warriors were going to win this game without Steph Curry. Like, okay, now they got some breathing room, let him relax, and

so now, we probably not gonna even think about bringing it back to maybe game five game six now what do you like about what you saw from uh the T-Wolves on the road I mean for the Wolves obviously being on the road Julius Randle Julius Randle cut a fool he cut a fool with understanding how important this game was for him and being able to contribute and helping Anthony Edwards and the rest of the team collectively and making sure he does what he needs to do and get his shots and being efficient.

The face of the league, he showed up tonight. The face of the league, I'm going to say it one more time. The face of the league showed up tonight. He had 36. He got to his spots he managed the game very well in his shot selection and and went to win the shoot to three when he put the ball on the floor and he got to the hole he drew fouls and did what he needed to do i like the way anthony played very aggressively tonight and they're gonna need they're gonna they're gonna continue to need him playing the way he played tonight along with julius they're going to continue to need him

playing the way he played tonight, along with Julius Randle, for them to have a chance, especially once Steph comes back. Especially with the way Jimmy Butler played tonight. Once Steph comes back, what did you say, game four or five, you think? Nah, he's not going to be evaluated

until right before game five. So he's out at least game four for sure. We know for certain. You think for certain he's out game four? I don't know, for some reason? They're not going to reevaluate him until game five. So yes, he's out for game four. They're going to reevaluate him.

Even if the process of reevaluating him, there is no guarantee that he's playing game four. He's not going to, they're going to reevaluate him. Even if, even if the process of reevaluating him, there is no guarantee that he's playing game five. But there is a break between game five and six. There's a three-day break between game five and six. But we might not even get

to a game six. If they don't have, if they don't take, if they don't win these next two games, there won't be a game six. You don't have the entire offseason to get healthy.

Right. Hey, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy Butler and Kaminga, man, there won't be a game six you don't have the entire offseason to get healthy right hey jimmy jimmy jimmy butler and comingo man they played real good on it is comingo gave him great minutes 36 minutes off the bench ocho 11 of 18 three or four from the three five or six from the free throw line he had six rebounds three assists two blocks uh he played extremely well he's plus five plus plus minus he uh He gave you 30 points off the bench. Yeah, and I don't understand something. And me, as someone still learning the game of basketball, and I look at someone like Jonathan Kaminga,

come off the bench in half 30. He left for 18. He has six rebounds and three assists. He was plus five, which was best among the worst. And you look back, and I'm trying to understand and wrap my head around how Steve Kerr wasn't playing him. I just don't get it, especially when you get this kind of production. I don't understand it.

Well, if he's getting that kind of production, he'd have been starting. But that's the problem. He's up and down. But I think the main thing is, Ocho, he doesn't leave a man long enough. Because, look, this is a veteran ball club. And so these guys are to play in together. They know how to play the game. Draymond,

especially Draymond and Steph. And so when you want a veteran ball club and you're a young player, they don't make excuses for you making mistakes as you being young, which understand what you're supposed to do, do it at a very high and efficient level, or you're going to sit down. What's the saying? Cut off my face.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, when you have a player like that that's putting up numbers like that, even with the inconsistencies and knowing what he can do when he is consistent and when he is on

and give you games like this, even though it was in a losing effort, you want that, especially with Steph being out. You want that on the goddamn court. But listen, the only way they're going to have a chance is you're going to have, they're going to have to have a three-headed monster, especially from a scoring perspective for the Warriors.

It's got to be Jimmy Butler. He's got to score a will. And especially, and I don't want to say garbage time. That's more of a football phrase. But towards the the end of games he can't gas out like that because the scoring has to come from somewhere if it's not you it got to be coming coming up if it's not coming up you got to be buddy hill well the fact that the matter is that he has to play because you know he and draymond are really the two that initiate the offense and as far as going and get their own shot is really only jimmy so if you take him off the court where the point's going to come from when you really don't

have another guy that can go get his own shot now kaminga had it going tonight um and maybe in the future that's something steve kerr has to look at and he says okay maybe i can give jimmy a blow here or there but i don't think tonight he was willing to chance it because Jimmy did have it going. He looked really, really good early. He was getting to the free throw line. But that's what happens, Ochoa. I mean, and when you hit that wall. Yeah.

It's a wrap, huh? It's a wrap. And you're coming back. And you see, he just scored another bucket for almost eight and a half minutes. Hey, but also, he don't have the legs or the energy

to do so because they was contesting everything. And then you say, you talk about Jimmy Butler having to be in because there's no one else that could put the ball on the floor and create their own shot. Hell, I seen Kaminga do it a few times. But that's what I'm saying. That's, maybe that's, and maybe moving forward, that's something Steve

Kerr has to look at and says, okay, I can go with Jimmy. But are you really willing to trust that? have you seen enough of Kamingo have these type of games that you feel totally trust that you know what I can take Jimmy off the court for two to three minutes and let Kamingo do what he does they don't have him in long enough because you just you just said they're a veteran team yeah they don't have him in long enough to be able to allow him to have games like this so I mean yeah but see you have to look at it like this. When Steph's on the court, when they had Klay last year, you run the offense for Kamingo or you run the offense for Steph and Klay?

For Steph and Klay. Exactly. And so I think the thing is, and he got nicked. Maybe lost a little confidence by not playing. He also mentioned that you know it's hard to get a rhythm when you're in and out in and out and in and out and so playing extending minutes um but i think their backs against the wall now i don't really think they have a choice but to play him a substantial amount of minutes draymond draymond needs to

understand ocho in that situation why would you contest that done you got five files you just picked up your fifth foul on an overturn because they called a foul one way, but they said Draymond got the foul on Draymond. So you got five fouls. Why would you give up the two points? Because you're more valuable than two points. And by not doing that, so now you really only have one guy

to initiate the offense. Yeah, Kaminga can get a shot, but I ain't asking Kaminga to bring the ball up, set the offense, and that's not what he does. Now, if I give him the ball down on the post, yeah, he can knock down the shot, but like Jimmy can initiate the offense. That's not what Kaminga can do. Draymond

can initiate the offense, but he's not looking for his shot. He's initiating the offense to get people off back screens, pin downs, flares, whatever they want to run. That's what Draymond can do. Draymond, look, anything Draymond gives you over four points, thank you, Lord. That's what you're hoping for.

He's mainly an assist. He's mainly a rebound. He's mainly a defensive stopper. So anything he gives you in the point total, as the points increases, that's another plus. He gives you six, what, one plus. Eight, two pluses.

He gets you in the teens, boy, you're like, whew, Lord, thank you, Jesus. That's a good night. That's a great night. Right. But, you know, foul trouble. And, you know, look, at some point in time, he has to like, you know what? Because Scott Foster is one of those guys, you're not going to intimidate him. And now they're looking to call stuff on you hey what's the other what's the

other guy scott foster and the other the black guy who don't be calling nothing he don't play either he don't care who you are 20 brothers yeah man you got 20 brothers you got mark you got mark davis you got uh oh uh bill kennedy oh yeah i don't know the rest of them. I mean, I go to the games, so I know them. Zach Zabra. Josh Timmons. You got Ed Malloy. Yeah, well, you know all the rest. God damn, huh?

For going to the game, man, going to the game, the two, I forget the two ladies. I forgot their names. But I see them, you know, hey, hey, how you doing? Good job, blah, blah, blah. You know, just chew the fat with them right quick. But, you know, just see them. Like I said, you know, I talk to them and stuff, you know, during the break.

They ask me how to do it. They pass me the ball. But, you know, it's, But I think in a situation like that, Ocho, Draymond just conceded. That's two points. Just let him go, huh? Just let him have two points. Because if it's his fourth foul, okay, you want to contest it, that's

five. But you got five. And you just picked up five. So you come back down and in less than 30 seconds, you're out of the ballgame. You're out of the game, yeah. He's your best defender. So now, who are you going to put on Drew Ramblin? Right.

Andy, you know, he's the best defender and he's undersized. Yes. But he understands angles. He's undersized, but he has a big presence. I don't know if that makes sense, if you know what I mean. Yeah. Julius Ramblin had 24 points, 10 rebounds, 12 assists, 3 steals. Only Steph and Yolk, Nikola Jokic, have recorded a stat line better

in a playoff game in the 2020s. Julius Randle became the first Timberwolves player with 20 points, 10 assists in multiple games in a single postseason in franchise history. Jimmy Butler's last points were 8 minutes and 16 seconds left in the fourth quarter. Kaminga had a career playoff high of 30 points. He had six rebounds, three assists, two blocks, plus five. His previous playoff high was 18. Now, moving forward, considering he had an out-of-body game, you feel comfortable he

can put another game like this together, Ocho? Absolutely. Okay. Because when you have a game like this, you know what that can put another game like this together, Ocho? Absolutely. Because when you have a game like this, you know what that does for your confidence? What you talk about? You know, when you meet that young lady and you go on your first date, you go on your first date with her and it's a hit.

The conversation was good. The food was good. You know, she reciprocated everything you did. You know how you feel going into that second date? You feeling like, what? I can't wait. Kameka has to be feeling extremely good. Especially with the thought about, he's going to remember, you know, all these times I didn't even get to play in a game.

Coach Kerr had the media and analysts and punters talking, thinking there was issues with me. Or him and I were, you know, we're beefing or whatnot. And now I finally get the opportunity to play a good amount of minutes. A good amount of minutes. And look what I was able to do. Yeah. So that in turn just boosts your confidence tremendously. So I'm expecting him to have a repetitive performance along with Jimmy Butler and goddamn Buddy Hill.

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Paul's got to play better. He played 39 minutes. He was one of 10 from the floor, one of four from the three. Five points won't get it done. You got, I mean, you got Kamingo coming off the bench and giving you 30. You got Jimmy Butler giving you what he gave you. But the rest of your starters gave you 14 points. That's not nearly good enough.

Not nearly good enough. I know Tyson Jackson-Davis only played 11 minutes. He and Looney split a lot of time. But I need more from Paz. You playing that long a minute, you got to give me more than five points you got to it's an absolute must uh draymond's got to stay out of foul trouble he can't argue every call because at this point in time they look they're not letting him get away with anything there are stuff that i saw that draymond would normally get away with in a regular season game they're not

it's got foster the last one you want to tinker with. Scott Foster, look, how many times he done gave Chris Paul the hook? Hey, him and Chris Paul, they got beat for real. Yeah, for sure. They got beat for real. So, with that being said, Draymond just going to have to be smarter, have to pick

and choose his spot. Everything is not everything is not for like to have a heated conversation about. It's not for discussion. It's not for debate. Because now it's like, okay, you think that was a bad call. Wait till you get this one. Oh, yeah.

23. They're human. People don't understand. No, no, they're human. Right. You talk to someone sideways and they get an opportunity. It's just like I tell people all the time when it comes to Hall of Fame voting. Now, you don't give these people your butt to kiss for 10, 12, 14, 15 years.

Now you want them to put all of that aside. Right. When it comes down to Hall of Fame voting. How'd that work out? No, you can't do that. You can't treat people. You can't give people your butt to kiss continuously. And then ask them to do turn around and do something nice for you. They are human. I understand what they got a job to do, but even a job. Now, if they were AI, that's one thing. They don't have no feelings, no emotion tied to the thing.

And they just, okay, it is what it is. But when you're dealing with the human element of anything, you got to be careful. And Draymond just need to be smarter about this and pick and choose his spots. Everything is not a foul. Yeah, they're going to miss some, but there are going to be times that they're going to give you some calls that you probably did deserve and you didn't earn. Right. That would be, you know, me sitting up here from the peanut gallery trying to tell a four-time champion, a two-time gold medal winning basketball player how he should go about it. But you have to pick and choose your spots with these officials.

I don't know the other guy. I know it was Scott Foster Mitchell. I think Mitchell Irving is his name. Isn't that the other official, Mitchell Irving? I'm almost certain that's him. Hey, did you, did you,

um, hey, speaking of Draymond, boy, this was so funny. I'm talking about, I might've been in tears for about 10, 15 minutes,

boy, on Twitter. Obviously Draymond after the game, uh, he made his comments about people trying to make him out to be the angry black man. Yeah. So I saw somebody made a clip. Reload was what he said to the media after the game, right?

Mm-hmm. And then they had like a two, three, maybe four-minute clip of Draymond doing all the, let me say, antics. Right. You know, the flailing of the arms and, you know, the kicks by accident. When I tell you I was in tears rolling, it was so funny, man. I love Draymond.

Listen, I'm telling you, for me, for me, if I was playing, that's somebody I would love to play with. If I had to go walk on a dark alley and had to pick somebody in the NBA that I want by my side to go walk on a dark alley because we don't know what's going to happen, it's Draymond.

So I appreciate his enthusiasm, his passion for the game. But sometimes, you know, you're the bearer in the brunt of your own issues. Ocho, did you see, Dar, we had that discussion about a hundred men or that silverback. Did you see that silverback barely touching that coconut with his fist and splitting it open? But who you telling?

Who you telling? That's why I don't understand people. Even with the hypothetical, I don't think you understand the strength of an actual silverback gorilla. And he didn't do like this. He like... Yeah.

Yeah. I was just thinking, I got to make sure I get this. I got to make sure I get this. I got to make sure I get this. Hey, man, listen. People don't understand. Forget that. Did you see?

I know it's kind of gruesome a little bit. Did you see? Oh, my alarm woke me up. Did you see the chimpanzee that ripped the lady's scalp off by accident? Mm-hmm. The one that he totally disfigured, he was a pet, and he got loose. Because, I mean, you're talking about something. Let's just say the eight times the strength of a man.

Let's just say the average man can bench 200 pounds. If he's eight times, he can bench 1,600. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think people understand how strong that is. And he probably got a bite force. He probably got a bite force of 1,000. Easily. Easily.

Easily. I'm good. I told you, listen, if it's 100 dudes, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna be 100, though. I'm gonna be way back there. I need to be the last one so I can live and tell the story about the other 99. Yeah. But this is a very good game. I mean, I like games like

this here. This was a very good game. It came down to the wire. Minnesota got their big guns. Ant-Man and Drew Randall, they did what they were supposed to do. Your two best players need to take the game over. Now, one of your best players is on the sideline for Golden State. Who is going to come along with Jimmy Butler? Well, Jimmy didn't come along the last 8-16.

And I think if he could have given them anything, it might have been a different ballgame. Who knows? We'll never know, Ojo. But all I know for the last 8 minutes and 16 seconds, Jimmy didn't score a point. And so now you're asking get points from Draymond. Well, Draymond fouled out.

Now you're getting asked to get points from Jackson Davis. Nope, that's not happening. Buddy, you got to run sets for Buddy. Buddy ain't getting it off the dribble. Every once in a while, I saw him shake somebody. Mike Conley might have been, but that's not his game. Kaminga was having an out-of-body experience. He was playing really well.

Quentin Post, again, got in some great cardio. Z-rolls across the board. He cut into his cardio session after the game. Gary Payton, 26.104 from the field, 0-2. He didn't have the impact that he normally does. And whatever, Moody has kind of fallen out of the lineup. So Moody, now Kaminga's kind of getting Moody's minutes, Ocho. Because remember, in the previous series,

Moody played, Kaminga really didn't get a whole lot of minutes. And so kind of the roles are of minutes. And so, the roles are reversed now. Celtics crushed the Knicks. Oh, they got lucky. What do you mean, who? Who? The Celtics. I know my baby watching,

she's been talking about the Celtics. She all happy, bouncing off the walls because the Celtics won today. I told you, listen, the Knicks let you have this one. They let you have it. They let you have it in the garden. So, don't be too happy because the Celtics won today. I told you, listen, the Knicks let you have this one. They let you have it. They let you have it in the garden. Don't be too happy because the series will end in three more games. With Boston taking it.

Who's side you on? I ain't on no side. I'm just thinking what you call it. Let me get this. The Celtics win. They crushed the Knicks 115 to 93. They had 71 Knicks 115-93. They had 71 points at the half, and it really was never threatened after that. They got six guys.

Jason Tatum had 22-9-7. Al Horford had his best game of the postseason, 15-9. Derek White had 17. Jalen Brown had 19. But the leading scorer was off the bench with Peyton Pritchard. 8 of 16, 5 of 10, 2 of 2. He had 23 big points off the bench. And they used a balanced attack to rout.

They was 48% from the field. They was 50% from the three-point line, 20 of 40. 15 of 17 from the free throw line. They did a great job all around um and they went going away uh who did it uh jaylen brunson did have 27 points but he was 9 of 21 uh cat 5 of 18 he had 21 and 15 uh josh hart had 10 mikhail bridges had 12 but it was not nearly enough this game was never really close oh joe hey never and i don't understand we at home you got an opportunity i'm talking about we the knicks are at home and have an opportunity on the guy to kind of really put this series away

right they kind of do so i think about it i think I think about it the past two games. You know what? At one point in both games, the goddamn Celtics was up by 20. Correct. So I don't know why in my mind the thought, even though they're playing in the garden, that maybe they would be able to hold the Celtics and somewhat keep the game close. But again, the Celtics, man, they just shooting and scoring at will. Yep. And then the lead, there it is. Okay, it's back up to 20. So I'm watching the game the lead there it is okay it's back up to

20 so i'm watching the game i'm like okay it's up to 20 hell it was at 25 at one point i'm like correct okay this this is the game that the knicks like to play they let them get a lead let them get right let let them get no and in arm's reach and then they come back and they run them on down it was never able to happen today and i thought maybe the knicks would would have played a little better cat would have been a little more efficient uh jaylen brunson did what he could but defensively hey they corralled him on they contested everything and they made it very very difficult for brunson i'm not sure how many turnovers they had but he turned up turn the ball over a few times That goddamn Peyton Pritchard, what?

Now you see why he won sixth man of the year. Hey, man. But listen, he won sixth man of the year, but he's supposed to. How many teams in the NBA? 30. 30 teams in the NBA, right? Mm-hmm. I think he should be starring somewhere else and not coming off nobody's goddamn bench.

Not playing away with not what I saw tonight. You know, I ain't really paying Brother Pritchard really no mind. I really focus on Jalen Brown, Derek White, and goddamn Jason Tatum and what they gonna do. But wasn't Peyton Pritchard today, man. He had 23, 8, wait, 23 with 8 for 15. 5 or 10 from 3.

Man, he was nice. He was nice. The Boston guards, they tossed Knicks from deep. And shit, it was all over. Especially with the way they would shoot at night. It was all over. Yeah. I mean, that's what,

and that, look, they didn't shoot the 60. They shot the same amount of threes that they shot in game two. The difference is they made half of them. And, you know, if you turn it into a three-point game

and you're going to shoot, you're going to make 20, 22, 25 threes. It's going to be hard unless the team matched that. You see the Knicks was five of 25, 20%. So they plus 45 from the three-point line on you. That's crazy. We're going to make that up. Now, again, Ochoa, I will say this. They got to the free throw line the Celtics

shot 15 free throws the Knicks shot 35 so you're plus 18 in free throw attempts but you're only a plus plus 9 in free throw makes one team was 15 or 17 the other team was 24 or 35

but this is what we know. The Celtics did a better job of closing out the third quarter because what has happened in second quarter, what happened, they were not closing out the quarters. And so they have these big leads, Ocho, and now all of a sudden, Boston going to run, and now all of a sudden, they've

closed the distance on you. Now they got confidence. They start the fourth on a 6-0, 7-0 run, and at one point in time it was a 20 point lead they closed out once they closed out the third on a on a 11-2 run and now they're going to slip now all of a sudden it's a five-point game now uh-oh damn what happened that team's got confidence you're kind of reeling because you just had this big lead like uh-oh here we go again yeah but i gotta give the set you have to give the celtics a lot of credit they held their for this, you're kind of reeling because you just had this big lead. You're like, uh-oh, here we go again. Yeah. But I got

to give the Celtics a lot of credit. They held their composure. They held their pose. The Knicks tried to make a little run. They were at 25. The next day, you know, they cut it to 17. Mazzulla called a timeout. They pushed it right back to 23. Look,

they're the champs for a reason. Big Al Horford, 15 points points nine rebounds two blocks six and nine from the field three or four from the three-point line fourth all-time in playoff games with two blocks and two plus threes this is what he gives you this is what he's capable of giving you this is what you expect for him to give you presenting this uh you know he had a couple of blocks he had three blocks. Had 19 minutes. He was five or six from the free throw line. Gave you five points.

But it was Al Horford today. Cat did not take advantage of him like he did in the first game. With the first game? Or maybe the second game. But he had that on the block and he did a number on Al. Hey, Al ain't been in the league this long for nothing now. Yeah. He understand.

He's going back and watching tape and see where Cat got the best of him. He's like, okay, I'm going to send you to your weakness. I ain't going to let you play to your strip. But give Allen credit. Give the Celtics credit because they came out with a singular focus. That was to dominate this game. They got off to a great start. They had 36 in the first quarter. They got 35 in the second quarter, 71 at the half.

And once they got to that, they didn't look back. They were able to relax. They closed out the quarters, and they just knocked down the shots that were open. I don't think they did anything different. They just knocked down shots when they were open. They knocked those shots down, and they were able to close out quarters. Yeah, most definitely. That was it. I mean, hell, once

they came out of the half, Boston outscored the Knicks by 16 in the second half. Damn bench outscored the Knicks 42-23. At that point, there's really no answer for the Knicks when they're playing that well. The Nuggets

beat the Thunder last night in overtime. Aaron Gordon in the fourth quarter in overtime this postseason. He's shooting 54% from the floor. He's shooting 47% from the three. 100% from the free throw line. Click. Nikola Jokic and the Thunder let one slip

because Nikola Jokic had one of his worst games. He said it himself, too. And they still won. Second most missed shots in a playoff it. He said it himself, too. And they still won. The second most missed shots in a playoff game, he was 0 for, from the three-point line,

so he was 0 for 10 from the three-point line. He had eight turnovers. So he had, he took, he was 5 of 23. He had 16 points. So he had more, he had more shot attempts

than points. That's never good. Right. But, when you got Aaron Gordon doing what he's doing, right but when you got aaron gordon doing what he's doing michael porter jr had a siding big time threes and then jamal murray i mean what what do we what can we say what can't we say about jamal murray yeah he gets into that zone and he started dealing late in the fourth and the third in the uh overtime and then aaron gordon we've

seen him hit big threes in the game. One rush pushing for our Brown, get the Brown, get the rebound, push your head to Russ, Russ push, pass it to Gordon on the wing, bang,

knocks down a three last night, three point of the title game in the fourth quarter, late steps up. No hesitation. Knocks it down. Yeah. That's what you have to have. That's the mark of a really, That's the mark of a really good,

what we got here, of a team that understands the moment. Yeah. They understand the moment. We here. We here for a reason. Pull up that game from last night. I got it.

I mean, look at this. reason pull up that game from last night. I got it. I mean, look at this. Aaron Gordon, 22 points, plus 15. Michael Porter Jr., 21 points, plus 7. Nicola Jokic had 20 points, plus 5. Jamar Murray, 27 points, plus 14, plus minus. Kristen Brown had

8 points, plus 6. Russ, Russ gives them that energy. Russ, plus 14, plus minus. Kristen Brown had eight points, plus six. Russ, Russ gives them that energy. Russ, I mean, look, like I said, it's a roller coaster. You never know what you're going to get. Yeah. But you're going to get effort. Son, just play hard. That's what coaches always tell you.

Son, just play hard. Full speed and that. We can teach you everything else. We can't teach you how to play hard. Uh-uh. I know Russ, yeah, he's going to miss some easy shots. how to play hard i know russ guy yeah he's gonna miss some easy shots you're like damn russ yeah he's gonna take some million buy-in size shots you're gonna say damn russ and he's gonna turn the ball over you can say damn russ

but you're like damn how russ get that rebound man how russ get that steal man russ knock that down yeah yep you will say damn and yeah a lot, and you have Russ attached to it. Damn, Russ. Yeah, Russ. Mm-hmm. Shea Gilchrist did not have a good night. 7-22, only 18 points.

Jalen Williams had it going. He had 32 big points. Chet Holmgren had 18 points. They didn't get much from Lou Dort. The bench did not give them what they gave them at home. And normally, the bench plays better at home. They got, what, two points from Wallace, seven points from Wiggins, two points from Joe,

Isaiah Joe, Caruso gave them seven, Jalen Williams gave him seven. Jay Williams gave him five. Yeah. Nuggets had four guys with 20-plus. Hey, that's how you answer the bell. That's how you answer the call. You're going

to a hostile environment. You got championship pedigree already. Nuggets were at home. They were at home? Yeah, the first two games was in OKC. Well, Nuggets were at home. Nuggets were at home. Oh, they were at home? Yeah, the first two games was in OKC. Oh, yeah, the first two were in OKC. My bad, my bad.

But being able to come back away from a hostile environment and being in front of your crowd, obviously, after getting blown out by 43. Yeah. Then Denver shot 49, 45% from the goddamn field.

They had 16 threes. Jamal Murray did what Jamal Murray did. We're used to seeing that. But what nobody's really talking about, we talk about Aaron Gordon, right? And the game he had. And his shooting prowess now to this point. Aaron Gordon has evolved this game

because most of the time we talk about Aaron Gordon, we talk about him being a high flyer. We talk about him dunking the ball, catching alleys and stuff like that. So his game has evolved to now, well, hold on. Now we can't just leave him like that. We got to close out on him.

You know, he could put the ball in the flow too. So now he's become more of a, that much more of a valuable player because his shot is on. He had 22 points. He was seven for 11. Hell, he was 4 for 6 from 3 and we'll be talking about so i think i think them boys gonna be right shea can't have another

game like this no not not not not but not with uh not with williams and goddamn shit showing up i think i think shit had what 16 17 18 yeah 18 and william 18. And I think William contributed to with 32. Now, Shea, you give us a little bit better than 18 and what we're used to seeing from you, you know, I think they would have been all right. But he didn't. But you already know what he can do. You already know what SGA can do.

He probably won't have another game like this. I don't even think this game could have been. The Nuggets are going to have to do a better job of keeping OKC off the glass. They had 18 offensive rebounds. You get that many offensive rebounds, you're going to get a lot of second-chance points. Yeah. And that's the problem that they have. They had 18 offensive rebounds.

The Nuggets had five. Five. Yeah. Do you know how many second chance opportunities you're giving a team to beat you it's kind of like at some point in time what you got to get up to field on third down you can't keep 11 team get get three cracks at you and another three cracks and another three cracks because pretty pretty soon the levy is going to burst wait yeah yeah um points in this series the thunder have scored 372 total points.

The Nuggets have scored 340 total points. But the Nuggets are up 2-1. Michael Porter Jr. is playing through a shoulder injury that should have sidelined him four to six weeks. I'm not doing that, Porter said. He suffered a grade two sprain to his AC joint in his left shoulder during the first round of the playoffs. Man, the AC joints. I don't know if you ever had one. grade two sprain to his AC joint in his left shoulder during the first round of the playoffs.

Man, those AC joints. I don't know if you ever had one, Ocho. And you said grade two, but that ain't nothing to play with. What? So he ain't picking that shoulder. That shoulder ain't going much higher than this. Uh-uh, that's about it. I had them.

If they ain't paying for boy. They are. Mm, mm, mm, mm mm but you know Ocho you know what we do put that medicine in there go all that yeah

I took I took listen I took I took the pill I just took the little pill I had a little I took the pill and had a little harness

where it's strapped it's strapped down right here won't let you won't let you let go of them so high yeah I can only go up so far yeah but it's hard

I mean some I mean you see a lot of defensive players play with those harnesses because they're not they don't you let go of them so high? Yeah, I could only go up so far, yeah. But it's hard. I mean, you see a lot of defensive players play with those harnesses because they don't have to do all this and all that, especially linebackers or D linemen. But if you're a wide receiver, it's virtually impossible, or tight end, it's virtually impossible to try to play with that thing. Yep. And the whole time, your body catches everything.

Yeah. Your body catches everything. I'm jumping across the middle for digs and slants. A ball that's going to hit you between the eight and the four, now you're jumping and catching it in your bread basket. Catching everything in the bread basket. I've been there. But the Nuggets come back, take home court, 22, 21, 20, 27.

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And I hope deep down in his heart somewhere he wishes us well too. I just turned 80. I'm proud of 80. It's the new 60. I mean, that's how I look at it. I feel great. I'm competitive as hell. See what I said, Ocho?

You see what I'm saying? What did he say? I would tell the players to shut their mouths. But he also said in the same breath, it's different now. Well, if it's different now, who else needs to be different if it's different now, Ocho? He does. He has to evolve. See, you know why he said what he said?

You can tell we had that conversation. Now you believe me? Mm-hmm. See, I told you. I told you. I said, Pat, you're going to have to loosen the reins a little bit. You're going to have to loosen the reins a little bit for us to get back to our winning ways. You got to have, nobody want to come play here, Pat.

You got to settle down, baby. Let the horse run free a little bit. You got to change your ways because times are different and the players are different. Yeah. Adaptability is the greatest trick to survival. You got to be able to adapt to what the, adapt to what I mean a guy that's invested now they're different you have to invest differently than you did back in the day everything you

have to do it differently Ocho you just do and that's why I mean I understand I understand that I couldn't coach because my mentality doesn't allow me to adapt not to a player because I don't like having to tell somebody something over and over Ocho we go through the thing and over, Ocho. We go through the thing the whole week, Ocho.

Then we go walk through the first 15. And then the night before the game, we get the first 15. And everybody got their nose out, Ocho. They're looking at the plays

right before they go out there the first 15. And I'll be damned if somebody don't jump off sides. I don't know. Look at that. Hey, let me tell you something.

You know who would be the one to jump off sides to? You. You. Hey, because I know that first play coming to me, I break the huddle. I break the huddle fast

and do the one thing I never forget. I forgot who told me. Dale Carter told me. You pull your glove, you tighten your gloves? I tighten my glove when I come to the line. And when it's a run play, I don't do it. I'm like, damn, you're panting to know that?

Say, yeah, young fella. Guess what they say. Oh, that ball coming to you on your heart. You out the gate on that one are we being a huddle hey hey this is the time we gonna get them

to jump off sides you know they get a little tired they gonna get antsy you know they gonna try to attack the quarterback we gonna go on two blue 17 blue 17 huh god what Mm-hmm. Blue 17! Blue 17!

Huh? God! How the hell you forget that from walking from the huddle to the line, dum-dum? Hey, it's so funny. As easy as it sounds, most of the time,

I don't think people will understand how hard it is. I was notorious for it. Hell, I jump off the saddle on one. I tell you, Ojo, all I hear is, uh-huh. I'm gone. I'm gone.

It's so funny. I don't even want It's so funny. I don't even want to look at the sideline. Look at the sideline. Michael, they're like this here. I can see Marvin. I can see Marvin with his hand on his hip looking at me right now, man. They would have to, Carson would have to tell me twice, boy, it's on two. TJ, me and TJ would break the huddle if TJ and I, if we got a slot formation,

we going to the same side. Man, he had to say, boy, Ocho, it's on two. TJ, me and TJ will break the huddle if TJ and I, if we got a slot for Mason, we going to the same side. Man, he had to say, boy, Ocho, it's on two. Yeah. It's on two.

Just a friendly reminder, boy, because, boy, I'd be so antsy. I'd be ready to get up out of there, boy. As a matter of fact,

so I don't even run no route. I don't even want you to go out. Just stay here. Because we know we're going to, we tell you to do something, you're going to jump offside. And Alex Gill rest his rested so he would quit. It's for brains.

You got to be the dumbest. That's why, man. That first 15 used to get me every time, Bocho. We work on it the whole week. We go out there and walk through it Saturday morning. We do it again Saturday night. The meal meal right before

after we get together with your office, get together. We go to the first 15. These are going to be our plays. I'm looking because I'm right now like, okay. One, two, three. I got four opportunities in the first 15. Yeah? Okay. I'm feeling pretty good, okay.

Hold on, and it's the one thing, too. Don't break the huddle and they in the right defense when you go through the script and you get the yo play and they in the right defense and you know you're getting the ball. What? Carson, if you don't hurry up and say set hype, can you? Yeah.

Hey, don't do all that blue-red. Just say Hut. All that. Man, come on, man. Damn. All that other stuff, we don't need that. Just say Hut. Go.

I'm gone. Man, come on now. It doesn't like that, man. We had a play call one time, Mocho. We played in Detroit. It might have been my last year in Denver. I think it was 03. Perfect call.

Oh, they called it. Thank you. Normally, like 85% of the time, they're going to play cover two. They'll line up like this, but they're going to play cover two. Right. Hey, 84, all you got to do is get down the hole. It's a touchdown. Ocho, we backed up two.

It's going to be like a 90. Oh. How about the quarterback throw the ball to the damn flat? Wait, in cover two? Yes. Well, you're going to get somebody killed. Oh, Lord have mercy. Oh, all have mercy.

All you had to be was the middle backer, right? All they had to be. I was gone. Because we kind of ran like a counter. We had run this play earlier. Not earlier that year, but in 2001, 2002, when I hit Kansas City, we ran like a counter pass and they split cover two and i had to all i had to do was beat the linebacker i beat him greasy hit me hey i put that thing like this here i was gone so this right here oh okay that thing split i mean

them safeties got so wide yeah yeah yeah and the backer didn't even run. Oh, he didn't shoot back? He didn't shoot back or nothing. He held. He tripping. Because what we did, we faked it. And so now we fake it. Oh, and it drew him up a little bit. Yeah, and the back dripped to the point.

Yeah, it bought you a little time. Because all you want is one of those big. See, you get one of them big ones early now i'm thinking oh this will be a 200 yard day down yeah easy easy day pat you have to change your ways derrick carl announces his retirement from the nfl ocho 34 recently underwent multiple medical evaluations on his shoulder shoulder was deemed the only route back to 100 and that would mean mean up to six months of recovery. Carr retires after staying on 11 seasons.

He's a four-time Pro Bowler, 257 touchdowns, 41,000 passing yards, top 25 all-time, third place in the MVP vote. He walks away from 30 mil. Hey, I have a question. Yeah. I'm confused. We in April. Yeah. I'm confused. We in April. Yeah.

We just had the draft. The season ended how long ago? December? Well, that season ended in January, beginning of January. But no, his season been over because he got hurt. Remember Rattler been playing. Yeah. So I'm trying to understand why wouldn't the situation rectify so you come into

the season healthy? Why are we still talking about the same thing we were talking about last year? You know, sometimes they give you, say, rest. And then when rest don't do it, now you don't let two months pass and rest. When you should have went and had that shoulder. Listen, you

know good and well you don't play around nothing like that. anything with the upper extremities with the arms especially when it comes to a quarterback you want to get all those issues done and out the way that there was even a thought or inclination that there's something wrong with it that would hamper your throwing motion or playing your position at the best of your ability you go get it fixed oh you go get it you go get it fixed. Derek Carr has made $205 million in his career. He has a 77-92 record, a 455 win percentage,

just one trip to the playoffs, and I think they lost to you guys. The ninth most cash from 2014 to 2024. Aaron Rodgers has made $292 million. First Cousins, $291. Matthew Stafford, $287. Russell Wilson, $264. Dak Prescott, $244.

Jerry Goff, $234. Matt Ryan, $222. Tom Brady, $198. Derek Carr, $196. And my homeboy, 179. But them boys make a pretty penny, boy. They make a pretty penny. And you know the funny thing about it?

I was upset. I was sad. You know, I don't like to see players hurt. Hell, I goddamn tweeted the broken heart emoji about Derek Carr being gone, and then I had to remember, well, you know what? The people in New Orleans, in Baton Rouge, in Louisiana, man, they happy. They cheering. They second lining.

Oh, I mean, I know you're happy Derek Carr is gone. You didn't like your quarterback that you had. But now who you got? Now who you got? Spencer Rattler? They took the quarterback. What is his name? Shuck. They took the quarterback. What is his name? Shuck.

They took Shuck. I'm just telling you who they took. I ain't shucking with JoJo. That's who they took. They took Shuck. That's exactly how the Saints going to be. They going to be Shuck until they get a goddamn quarterback. You know,

listen, my people in New Orleans, boy, we ain't got no patience. We ain't got no patience. We done dealt with too much. We need a quarterback. Well,

what happens is you get spoiled. You had Drew Brees for 15 years and you expect every quarterback. It's hard to follow that up. You're not going to be Green Bay. You're not going to have

Brett Favre for 15, 20 years. You're not going to have Aaron Rodgers for 20 years. And then you go right to love. That ain't happening. You're not going to have – most teams don't get to have 30, 40 years. I mean, you're talking about could be 40-plus years of prosperity

at the quarterback position. That's crazy. That is absurd to think about it. Because think about it. You had 17 years with – look, about 17 years with Favre. And then you had another 18 years with Rodgers. And now you have Love. So that's what, 30, 35 years?

So you're about to have 45, maybe even 50 years of prosperity at the quarterback position. Hold on. And not just any quarterback. We talk about them boys. Yeah, two Hall of Famers. That boy. You know, the top echelon. Aaron talk about them boys. Yeah, two Hall of Famers, yeah. That boy. You know, the top echelon. You can make a case Aaron Rodgers is one of the greatest of all time.

Mm-hmm, as was Brett Favre. Yes. And listen, Jordan Love, in his own right, is on his way to be just that as well. Yeah. As he continues to improve year in and year out. But Derek Carr is done. He says, no, I don't want to go through that anymore. He says, I talked to my wife and my family, and six months of rehab for $30 million?

Like, nah, it ain't even worth it. Hold on. Hold on. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Stay with me right now. Hey, Chad, y'all stay with me real quick. My Saints fans, tell me what you think about this.

Now, I know based on what we saw from him last year, it wasn't anything to hype about. You know, it wasn't nothing to second-line about. But how about Aaron Rodgers coming in for a year in New Orleans until we get the rookie right? Or for Spencer Rattler can also watch and learn behind him. What y'all think about that? I know I got some Saint fans

in the chat. I'm just curious. What's your thought on that? I let the Saint fans chime in with that one. No? Yes? No? What you think? One year? No. No? Okay. I had to work out work out for the jets he was there two years okay i mean i mean you're right i'm just curious i'm just curious you thought process and bringing in the veteran presence you know to see what they could do with aaron but if you say no but you're bringing him in for one year what are we getting out of one year uh development for the younger quarterbacks.

Allowing them to see how it should look, how it should go. You told me guys don't get better by being on the bench. That's what you tell me. You're right. You're right. You're right. I was just curious. Saints head coach,

Kellen Moore said he will rotate all their quarterbacks, give them all opportunities as one tries to seize the starting job. We're going to let all three of these guys roll. Each will be given a chance to win the Saints' starting job. There are people in the chat, the Saints fans, that got fucked this shit. We cooked.

Here's some stats for Shook. He has the second worst quarterback accuracy versus power five opponents of any quarterback in this class. 42% completion rate when precious. 58% completion rate when blissed. Solid performance when kept clean. All quarterbacks are good when you keep them clean. Yeah.

Hey, Ocho, my house is immaculate when it's clean. Duh! Damn! Listen, under pressure. Under pressure. A lot of times you're going to be under pressure. Yeah, exactly.

How accurate and consistent can you be when you're under duress? That's the tall tale time of a great quarterback. Always calm under pressure. Always. Always accurate under pressure. Regardless of what's coming at him from all times. Man, it's...

And again, that's why I question the draft again. That's why I question the draft again. Because you take those same numbers you just talked about, and I'm not going to say his name, but you know who I'm talking about, and you look at what he had to deal with because his offensive line play wasn't that good, but for some reason, Uncle, I mean, he was highly accurate still. Yeah.

It's funny how that works, but that's neither here nor there. So, as a wide receiver, you want a guy that can catch the ball in traffic? Hell, anybody can catch when they're wide open, I hope. The hell? The hell? The Volume. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core.

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