Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: ASG new format, LeBron misses ASG, McClung 3-peat

Episode Date: February 17, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Team Shaq’s OGs beating Charles Barkley’s global stars in the NBA all-star game in its new format. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss LeBron James sitting out of the all-star game for the first time ever in his NBA career, Mac McClung winning the NBA dunk contest 3rd year in a row and Unc firmly believes he is single-handedly saving the dunk contest and much more!06:16 - Show start07:30 - New All-Star Format26:44 - Dramond Green on Rising Stars playing on Sunday31:48 - LeBron James sits out All-Star game49:18 - Mac McClung wins Slam Dunk Contest57:34 - Chris Paul and Wemby disqualified in skills challenge1:01:00 - Adam Silver on Luka trade(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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oh joe i know i know what you're gonna say go ahead did you like this format um listen i didn't like the format on i don't even like the games. For one, the players aren't even playing for real. Obviously, it is an all-star break. You want to be cautious to make sure you're able to come back and get through the all-star break injury-free. The format, it hasn't made it any more interesting than it was before. The point of having this format was to make it more interesting for the viewers, for those that are basketball fans.

But I think they made it maybe five or 10 times worse than it already was. I'm just being honest with you. And this is from someone who, who is not a huge basketball fan, but is getting more into the game of basketball. This didn't help any, not, not one bit.

I'm not sure what Mr. Silver is going to do about it. I think maybe the players can come up with a better idea to make it interesting. This just wasn't it. It just wasn't. It's hard to get it back once you lose it. We saw that with the Pro Bowl. Yes, sir.

And I kept trying to tell those guys on show. Yes, sir. I said, guys, they're going to cancel this. They're not going to keep giving you guys free money like this. You can't play touch football in a tackle football league. Right. And y'all say, listen, I'm not telling you, look, I want you guys to go.

You can play. We've done it. I went to a number of all-star games. You went to a number of all-star games. It wasn't like a regular season game. Right. But it was like a nice padded practice. What they were doing,

and now, I mean, they're just running down, jumping up, shooting threes. It's just hard, Ocho. And that's when I tell them, I say, man, it's going to be hard to get it back. And this is not it. Look, I get it. I thought the team shot when they played the rising stars. I thought they played harder then.

I was like, you know what? If the East and West actually play like this this might be doable Ocho you're not going to get the starters to play like that you know them boys they're going to go out there playing hard like that it's not going to happen maybe you try one on one maybe you try horse

you got to try something Ocho because this just ain't cutting it you know horse is not going to get the viewers that's not going to grab your attention you have to horse ain't. Horse is not going to get the viewers. That's not going to grab attention. You have to have some type of format that's going to grab the viewers' attention and have them locked in the entirety of the time. If anything, I say bring back the East-West

and let's say the winner gets home court advantage or something. Do a buy-in where E-Team puts up a million dollars. You know, if money is an incentive, they will play, huh? You know, that's what the point is about. They already have F-U money, so money is an incentive they will play huh you know that's what they're talking about they already had a few money so what is an incentive for them to play hard well it used to be ocho before they started raising the revenue because when i first went to the pro bowl the

winners got 10 000 the losers got five right well you really needed that money because if you invited 10 11 people that 10 000 was gone You damn sure better try to win that. That's your overhead. You damn sure better try to win that game, Ocho, to offset some of that cost. But I just don't really know

how the NBA can get it back because the guys have made a decision. They're not going to play hard. They're just not, Ocho. I just told you, Ong. Listen, get it back to the East versus the West. Yes. Have a pot. Have a pot. Have the play. No, the players, let the NBA put

up the pot. Let's say $5 million. Say $5 million. And the players get to split that $5 million. They get a cut. That's the only way. It has to be. In order for them to play hard, it has to be incentivized with money. Nothing else. There is no format

that's going to get them to play hard. Think about what you just said, Ocho. Some of these guys got $250 and $300 million and $320 million contract. And now I've got to incentivize you for you to showcase your sport.

Think about what you just said, Ocho. I've got to further incentivize you to showcase your sport. So this is the collection of the NBA's best player, 24 of the best NBA players. Now I need to further incentivize you. It used to be an honor to go to the All-Star game. It used to be an honor to go to the All-Star game it used to be an honor to go to the Pro Bowl right what happened?

you know why you have to incentivize it? we're in a different era All-Star break that's PTO that's the players PTO this is my time off so you telling me I need to work doing my break

okay you know what I made the All-Star team I'm an All-Star it's a great achievement you know me I need to work during my break. Okay, you know what? I made the all-star team. I'm an all-star. It's a great achievement. You know what? I am honored. At the midway point, you feel I played to a certain level where I'm worthy of being one. But you know what?

If you're not paying me right, like I'm being paid during the regular season where I do go all out. Nobody plays their all-stars like that. NFL, you don't get paid like you do in the regular season, Ocho. Baseball, hockey. Ocho, think about this. So if it doesn't mean that much to you, why the hell they complain when they don't make it? Because every year we hear NFL players

complain they didn't make the Pro Bowl. And we see basketball players complain. And we see all of this. But now when you get there, you don't want to play. And I tell you why they complain when they don't make the All-Star? Because they understand when they make the All-Star on their resume, it looks good when it's time to get paid. When I feel like I don't want to play.

They understand that is leverage for their agents when it's time to talk contract negotiations. Yes, I'm an All-Star. I'm an All-Pro. You know, whatever it is it may be. Just don't go. Ocho, you know how it is. Once you get tight, once you reach a certain level,

what did Tom Brady do? He stopped going. A lot of these quarterbacks, they stopped going. Right, right. Okay, let somebody else have that spot that's going to be inspired to play and play and play. That's what I did with A. Man, who the back? Who first alternate?

Hey, bro, I'm out. Go ahead and take it. Because I understand, like you said, it's going to look good on their resume. I'm not going to go over there and bull job around. I did one year, but I was in a contract year. When I was in a contract year, hey, contract

year, I said, oh no, I'm not going to get injured. And we didn't take but two tight ends. And Tom Conflin was running double tight end. I said, oh, no, I'm not finna get injured. And we ain't take but two tight ends? And Tom Coughlin was running double tight end? I said, y'all kiss my butt. I'm out of this thing. I said, I'm out of here. First quarter, I went and got me two ice bags put on both knees. I don't know if they were hurting or not, but they felt good after the game.

But, Ocho, I just, this bugs me, Ocho. I really hate it because this is an opportunity. I grew up watching the All-Star game. Yeah. And watching Bird and Magic and them go at it. Isaiah and them. And you see the younger cats, Garnett and Kobe. Yeah.

They was trying to beat the East guys. Game was going at it, boy. I don't know when this, Ocho, I'm going to be honest. I don't know when this happened, where the disconnect was. It's like, hey, let's just dunk and shoot threes. Play no defense, dunk, shoot threes. I don't know when in the Pro Bowl that they decided they were going to play two-hand touch. I don't know the exact year, but I knew the exact moment when I said, you know what?

They're going to cut this in shot. Yeah, yeah. But you know what? Who comes up with the format? Mr. Silver, you know? Well, he's just trying stuff. You see, I get it. In baseball, Ocho, you throw the ball, you try to put a bat on the ball,

you run the base, you try to catch. But they say, okay, whoever wins the All-Star game, that's who has home court, home field throughout the playoffs. Well, maybe you might need to do that for the All-Star game. Instead of the best record, for the All-Star game. Instead of the best record, win the All-Star game. You know who needs to come up with the format for it for it to be interesting?

To get the players to play? Who? The players. Do it, go do it. The players. But you know what killed me? All these players. Oh, Michael Jordan.

Oh, Kobe. And not let... Go look at Kobe and Michael Jordan in the All-Star game. Since y'all love them so much. They going all out. But that's what I don't get. I love the Mamba mentality and Black Jesus. And then y'all get over there and y'all lay it down. See, that's the problem I got, Ocho.

I ain't got, listen, guys that make it, I think they're more than they've earned that right to be there. Yes, absolutely. But you can't, you can't applaud and laud someone for how they approach the game. And then you go over there and you lay it down. Cause that's what y'all do.

Right. That's what y'all do. Maybe, maybe they need to have Michael Jordan come in and give him a pep talk. Nah, Mike, Mike chilling with that cigar, man. Mike ain't coming in to talk none, but I'm telling you,

I'm telling you what the format needs to be. Matter of fact, you know what you can do? Sometimes you can listen to the people. That could always be one. If you don't listen to the people and it's not working, the format's not working with the NBA officials who create the format, leave it in the players' hands. They left it in the players' hands. Youcho, they left it in the players' hands.

You see? You got 211 and 186. You got shooting threes and dunks. They left it in the players' hands, and that's what you got. Don't let the players F it up. They left it in the players' hands, just like the Pro Bowl. And what happened, Ocho? You got no game no more. You got a skills competition.

Flag football. Yes. So no, do not leave it up a skills competition. Flag football. Yes. So no, do not leave it up to the players. That's the problem. I have a question. They left it. The problem is, is that they gave the players too much control.

Yeah. Somebody decided this is the way we're going to do it. They tried everything. Well, whoever wins this quarter gets $300,000

for their favorite, for the Boys and Girls Club or your favorite, the charity that was adopted. That didn't work. They tried was adopted. That didn't work. They tried something else. That didn't work. This right here was a boot.

Look, I love Jimmy and Mr. Beast, and you come out there and the kid won $100,000. But come on, man. At some point in time, at the end of the day, it's still a basketball game. Yeah. All these gimmicks and all that other stuff, Ocho, it's still the fundamentals.

Look, the MLB, they have the home run derby. Right. But you still, it's an all-star game. You put bat on ball. That's what it's about. Football is about catching, running, and tackling. Right. Basketball.

They play tougher at UCLA. They play tougher at the summit in New York. Now you mean to tell me you won't do that in the off season, but come all-star game, when it's the opportunity for you to showcase the world to see that skill set, don't lay it down. Yeah. And then y'all wonder why the ratings don't wonder,

don't wonder why the ratings are falling. Right. You know why, but also now you got to be careful now. Now we're asking for the players to play a little bit harder at the All-Star game on break. Now what happens when somebody gets hurt? Then what?

Ocho, think about the 50 years before they did this. So you make it seem like all of a sudden this is something new. Like they just instituted the All-Star game and asking these guys to, you know what? Play basketball. You make it seem like they just instituted the all-star game and asking these guys to, you know what? Play basketball. You make it seem like they just instituted a pro bowl and ask them guys to tackle and catch and run.

They've been doing that. Yeah. The only thing that we didn't try, they didn't try to do was kill the quarterback. They didn't try to kill the quarterback. Yeah. But other than that, yeah,

you got tackled. Right. God didn't, God, you got tackled. Guy catch you coming across the middle. He ain't going to really try to lay into you. He might put a shoulder into you. But, you know, they threw me a seam one year. They run it.

I saw him. I just braced. That's all I could do. He didn't go all out. Guys are not going to go all out. But you got to do more than what they're doing. That's just not nearly good enough. What I enjoyed, obviously, your era and my era, when it came going to go all out, but you got to do more than what they're doing. That's just not nearly good enough. What I enjoyed, obviously your era and my era when it came time to the Pro Bowl,

we played some football. We didn't try to knock somebody's head off, but we thought up now. You're going to thought up real good. I'm here now. I'm here. Remember when Sean Taylor caught the punter?

Yeah, Brian Moore. Yeah. Man, stop playing. But I get it. But I just don't know. I just don't know what else. Something needs to happen. But I mean, because, you know,

I don't know how salaries keep increasing if the fan viewership keeps decreasing. That's a good one. That's a good one. I mean, they're about to lock in, start next year, they're on a new, what? How much billion? $11 billion?

Woo! I think they got $11 billion with Amazon, NBC, ESPN. $11 billion? Yeah, over the next 10 years or something ok ok ok oh 11 year deal worth 76 billion

come on salaries are going think about it salaries are going super max players with one team you build one team you make X amount of all NBA teams. $350,000. In five years, that's going to be $400,000,000.

Somebody's going to be wanting their money. Now, y'all get mad when teams trade y'all and keep y'all from getting that Supermax contract. Because you see, a lot of people think that's what they did with Luka. They keep from paying $350,000. Hey, now we got this thing under control.

So don't get, hey, just like I told you the other night, Ocho, don't get mad about a problem you created. Right. I got a question. Now I understand that Luka and his greatness, especially on the court, they traded him away because of the things that were going on off the court in which they didn't want to be on hand to pay him $350 million for that Supermax.

Can you tell me another player who's in line to get a Supermax? Shea can get one, but Shea's going to be $290. So what's the difference? Why is his $290 and Luka's zone was going to be $350? Because Luka... But that's not Shea's original team. 50. Because Luka... But that's not Shea's original team.

Shea got traded from the Clippers. The Clippers. Wait a minute. Why are they punching him for him getting traded? Because they call that bird rights. Team that drafted you. Larry Bird. You can play a guy up team and it doesn't count as much against the cap

or it doesn't count anything against the cap. Oh, hell. Oh, man. So now he's missing out on money because y'all decided to trade me. As a matter of fact, if you look back at it now, you should have kept him. Yeah, the Clippers should have kept him because they traded what they wanted. Kawhi was going to go to the Lakers unless they got him Paul George. And that was one of the things, that was one of the pieces that they wanted they wanted uh uh they wanted shade they wanted Golinari they wanted all those first round unprotected picks

they wanted all those pick swaps and they got it right and Shea has blossomed um report said Doc did not want to do him say hey Kawhi just give this guy a little time he gonna be special Kawhi say I don't got time and there it is so it's I just like I said I mean the dunk contest I mean McClung

he's single handedly saving the dunk contest listen well is he and what is what I like about it. I like the reaction from the players. I like the reaction from the players. I like the reaction from Zach Levine. I like the reaction from John Marant. With them boys won the...

Now, that will make it exciting again. I'm not sure if they... We've heard that before. Huh? We've heard that before. Guys get excited. Oh, if you do it next year, I'll do it next year. If you do it,

it never happened. Now, listen, we talk about two dunkers now. We ain't just talk about no anybody. We talk about two people that are creative. We've seen and heard that before. We'll see. I hope it happens. Okay. I hope they come back and they play.

Matt McClung says, nah, y'all need to give me a million-dollar appearance fee. And if I win, I'll take that little measly 110. I ain't just coming back. I ain't just coming back. And if I don't win, I don't get nothing. No. Y'all don't give me a million. I'm the only guy in NBA history to win three consecutive dunk contests.

I have a question, Arn. Yes. How can he continue to elevate and evolve his game outside of duncan so he can have an opportunity to play it at the highest level well he he seemingly can't get out of the g league he was on the lakers and had a couple of good had a couple of good runs but he and austin reese what came in didn't he and austin reese come in together and you see austin just get better and better and better and better how tall is Austin Reed you think

probably like 6'4 6'5 well how tall is McClellan 6'2 okay that's why it looks so good when he dunk there's your problem

he's elevating yeah but there's your problem as well though you understand if you're 6'2 and you're going to play in the NBA at the highest level, do you understand how special you have to be?

Yes. You have to be how tall in Ja Morant? Probably 6'2. You see the difference? Mm-hmm. Special. It's only one of them in the NBA. It's only one Ja.

Yeah. Yeah, but the thing is, you've got to do more than jump high. You've got to be explosive. Ja has handles. He can get to the rim. He's slithery. He can finish. Yeah, he's gotten better at shooting.

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Do you agree, Ocho? That's not nice. I mean, if they're riding the stars don't deserve the privilege to play on sunday do you agree ocho that's not nice i mean if they're riding the stars look at the name what are they called again on the what rising stars that means hey draymond had y'all guys done what you're supposed to guess what they wouldn't be yeah the commissioner's trying anything to drum up interest in this game. You created a problem, and then when other people try to solve and rectify the problem that you guys created, you get mad. How about

you guys play a little harder and the rising stars wouldn't be playing on Sunday? We wouldn't have had this format. Four teams and divide it up and this and that, and the game goes to 40. Yeah. I'm confused, but I'm confused

why he's upset for a problem they created. Yeah. I mean, I don't agree with Draymond, but obviously he's feeling he might be the voice of reason for other players as well. That feels like the writing stars shouldn't be playing. But listen, again.

They wouldn't be. What Draymond needs to do is get with LeBron, get with some of the other veteran heads in the NBA and figure out a way to get the interest back. And the only thing I can think of, and I know the NBA might not like it, is they need to incentivize it even more to get them boys to play hard,

go back to the East and West and have a pot of money that the winner can split. As a matter of fact, and the loser don't get nothing. The loser don't get nothing. Ocho, you making $70 million a year. You gonna get incentivized? You gonna get excited about a million dollars?

Stop it, Ocho. I said a million, I said five. Ocho, think about it. I guarantee you, Every one of, I guarantee you, every one of those guys today that was on that court

pulled up in a private jet. After the game, they're going to get on that private jet and go to wherever they're going. Right. It ain't money, Ocho. Yeah, I know. Money might have been

the motivating factor for them to get to that level. Right. But after that, after, see, that's what you have to really, really appreciate about the really, really greats. Right. The Bradys, the Jordans, the Colby. After they had all the money. And nothing changed. They had all the fame.

Nothing changed. They still played it that they were flat-ass broke. Yeah. Yeah. Chase, I mean, you know. Now we got to continuously incentivize it. I've got to ask a guy, hey, bro, for an extra $500,000, would you play hard when you're making $50 million?

When you're making $50 million on the court and you're making another $25 to $30 off the court. Just do this for us. 50 million when you're making 50 million on the court and you're making another 25 to 30 off the court. But can you just, just, just what this, just do this for us. Different. That,

that, that, that, that different. At some point in time, they're going to have to come to a conclusion that the game is not going to be played. It's not.

How about, I got another one. I got another one. How about, how would you like to see this now you might not like it I'm just throwing this out there we have all these people in the world

that play LA Fitness on the parks what do you think about civilians playing the NBA players on All-Star break no

remember they were complaining they complained about Mack McClung. He was in the G League. They complained about him being in the dunk contest. You think they're going to be excited about somebody coming off the street? Listen, I'm just trying to think of things that will get the viewers' attention. Now, that'll get the viewers'

attention because you got dudes that play who that never made it. Stars get fans' attention, Ocho. Stars, why you think teams want to get them? Hold on. If stars get fans' attention, then the viewership wouldn't be declining.

But they're not playing hard. Ocho, when you come down and you see a team shooting 55, 60, 73s, what's exciting about that? When you're missing the 50 or 60 of them, you take 75, you take 73s, and you miss 55 of them. Right. Clank, clank, clank, clank.

Yeah. Nobody runs. Hey, you get a three-man break, everybody run behind the line and try to spot a four-three. Nobody goes to the hole. There's nothing exciting about that. Yeah, you're right. You're right.

I don't have an answer. I don't have an answer. Somebody do, but they got to come up with something. They got to come up with something. No, they don't. Cancel the game. It's okay. And there wouldn't be no All-Star break.

Yes, it would. You still have the three-point competition. You have the skills challenge. Oh, okay, okay. Just cancel. Okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah, the All-Star game. Hey, you get selected to all-star you're not gonna go play hey skills challenge you want to do the skills challenge you want to participate in something okay fine

but there will not be a game on sunday okay because y'all ruined it that's a good way that's a good way to look at it it's not gonna happen but i like i like where you i like where your mind is at uh lebron sits out the the All-Star game. This is his first time missing an All-Star game in his career. Year 22, he's a 21-time starter player because of lingering discomfort in his left foot and ankle. Do you agree?

LeBron accepted, knowing he probably wouldn't play. Absolutely, but he had been there 20 times before that. Okay. He's earned the right to be able to sit out in the All-Star game where they're not going to be playing serious anyway. It's okay.

Exactly. Sit out. Now let Norman Powell get an All-Star game selection. Just like Giannis. Giannis knew he had a little slight injury. He pulled out. Now Trey Young is a four-time All-Star selection. That's the problem that I got. You're right.

He earned it right. But he didn't get it until Saturday. You know you're not going to play? Why you block somebody else from playing? That's just like you, Ocho. You know you're not going to play in the Pro Bowl. Some of you first answered it, but you go over there.

Well, hold on, man. Now, hold on. Now, what if LeBron, even though he wasn't playing, wanted to be there and be part of the team? Giannis was there. Did you not see Giannis in his uniform? Giannis was there. Okay, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. He should have pulled out completely in general. Yes!

Okay, I see what you mean. Obviously, they still gonna let him come. He's still the biggest name in basketball. Sure, they're gonna love to have Obviously, they still going to let him come. He's still the biggest name in basketball. Yeah. Sure, they're going to love to have him come. Let him walk, get introduced. In year 21, year 22, our 21-time starter, NBA starting LeBron James.

Right. Give him that. Let the fans see that. But, bro, come on, man. Norman Powell deserved to be, I thought, he didn't deserve it. He earned the right to be there with the way he's played in the first half of the season.

Now, I ain't breaking news to the chat. Y'all know I'm the biggest fan of LeBron's biggest supporter. Being that. But I disagree. I wholeheartedly, wholeheartedly, and stringently disagree with his decision to make this announcement the day of the All-Star game. He knew he wasn't going to play.

Y'all think LeBron just made this decision today? Really? Nobody thinks that. Yeah, but and honestly, I can't even be mad at him because we talk. This is LeBron. I mean, this this is LeBron. I mean, this is LeBron. If there's one person that, you know what? If I'm not going to play, I've earned every right to decide Sunday morning or decide Saturday morning.

No, LeBron James is not bigger than the game of basketball. I didn't say he was bigger than the game of basketball. So you're talking about he's earned it right? No, he hasn't. No, he hasn't. What? No. I vehement. No, he hasn't. What? No. I vehemently disagree.

Oh, no. Oh, and now I vehemently disagree with you on that. If LeBron James, the all-time leading scorer in the NBA, decides, you know what, at the All-Star Game this Sunday, you know, I don't want to play. He should be able to... Oh, Joe. No, see, no, no.

I'm not saying he doesn't have that right I'm saying he doesn't have the right to do that Sunday the day of the game make that decision on Thursday wait you're telling

you're telling me to make the decision on Thursday you leave Shaq's team now Shaq's team only has seven players they're down a man oh

seven players five players four four players. They ain't even playing for real. They might as well play one-on-one. You just said it yourself. They just shooting three. They might as well just play horse. Okay, so he can't do that?

Okay, do what Giannis did. Giannis says, I'm not going to play. And guess what? Trey got to come. Norman Powell would have got an opportunity to come. I have a question. Yes. What if it was a lingering issue and it didn't flare up until he got there? Man, stop it, Ocho.

I'm just asking a question. That's a possibility. So what did he do to cause it to flare up? You know shit be acting up now when you hit your 40s now. What did he do to cause it to flare up? You know shit be acting up now when you hit your 40s now. What did he do to cause it to linger? Did he play basketball in between Wednesday night and today? He just played Wednesday.

Wednesday. Wednesday. He played Wednesday, remember? Yeah, he played Wednesday. So Thursday he was off. Friday he was off. Saturday he was off. Sunday he was off. Saturday he was off. Sunday he makes an announcement that he's not going to play an All-Star game.

So I'm just trying to figure out what did he do in between Wednesday after the game and today that caused it to flare up? Yeah, that's a good question. That's a good question. I would text him and ask him. But, you know, I kind of, I agree and disagree with you, honestly,

because it is LeBron and the fact that he's made the All-Star for his 20, 21st year, if I'm not mistaken. 21 straight starts. 21 straight,

you know, and he wanted to actually be there, even if he didn't play. And I think that's why he didn't pull out. Ocho, he could have,

Giannis is there. Giannis, Giannis is there. That's Giannis. We talk about LeBron. LeBron he could have, Giannis is there. Giannis, Giannis is there. That's Giannis. We talk about LeBron. LeBron doesn't want to do what Giannis is doing. You said he wanted to be there.

He could have come and do exactly what he did. Nothing. Well, I, I, listen, I,

I agree with you to an extent and there's another side of me that doesn't agree with you. So, I, I get what you're saying. That's what I'm trying to do. That's all Ocho. But I'm saying. Yes, sir.

You know, I don't want to play. But don't show Ocho. You know good and well, if you've been sick for three days, why you show up on them people's job and then walk into work, I ain't going to be able to come to work today. You could have called in to do that. So we could have had somebody come in and fill up your job. Now you leaving.

We ain't got nobody to fill the spot. Right. Why did you come tell Ocho? Why did you come tell me you're not going to be able to work today? You could have called in to do that. Uh-huh. I just, like I said, look, hey, y'all know how I feel about LeBron.

But I don't disagree with him on this one. He don't disagree strangely and vehemently on this decision. I got you. Hold on. Hey, let's take a listen to LeBron's explanation of why he didn't play kind of more a maintenance type of wear and tear situation I mean it's a little bit of both

you know I was hoping that it would feel a lot better this morning you know but it's it's not as where I want it to be and you know with 30 games left and us trying to make a playoff push in the Wild Wild West I felt like it was very important for me to kind of take care of myself and understand you know what with 30 games left and us trying to make a playoff push in the Wild Wild West, I felt like it was very important for me to kind of take care of myself

and understand, you know, what's coming on. So I want to say it's maintenance. Well, it is maintenance, but at the same time, it's like, you know, I have to look out for myself when it comes to this injury that I've been dealing with for years. See?

Yeah, okay. So let me ask you a question. See? There's 30, hold on, let me ask you a question there's 30 hold on let me ask you a question so i just want to know this hotel maybe you can help me out with this talk to them so when did he realize that they needed to make a playoff push there was 30 games left and they're in the wild wild west was it thursday friday saturday or was it sunday morning three hours before the game so i'm just trying to figure out when did that dawn on him?

Hmm. Man, we in the toughest conference, the Western Conference. Yeah. There's only 30 games left. This is the wild, wild West. We need to make a playoff push. So I'm just asking you, humbly, when did he come to that conclusion? You know, humbly answering, I don't know.

I'm not sure when he came to the conclusion. But again, we talk about LeBron James. We talk about the LeBron James who has 30 games left and he's deciding, he's deciding to take the all-star break off and literally take it all the way off. I understand your point in saying, you know what,

if you're not going to play in the game, allow someone else to come in and you can still attend. He chose not to go that route. And him choosing not to go that route, I still agree with him because it's LeBron James and that's what he decided and felt was best for him to do.

But guess what? Talk to me. Tell the people at home, when you fly, what happens to joints? What they do, Ocho? They flare up. Oh! So you mean to tell me he got on a plane? Altitude?

Would joints swell? Ankle swell? Knee swell? Yeah. You mean to tell me he could have stayed in L.A. and nursed those injuries? You don't say, Ocho. That's a good one.

That's a good one. That's a good one. A lot of times, you know, if you have things like knees and stuff like that they might wouldn't let you travel because i mean you traveling it doesn't help it no it doesn't so that's all i'm saying lebron has a right but i'm just saying nothing changes if he makes this decision on thursday he still gets an opportunity to come come. The crowd still gets to hear him introduce. Norman Powell gets his first All-Star Game selection. No harm, no foul.

That's all I'm saying. Okay. That's it. I got you. I got you. I hear you. It's just that. Like I said, I think Norman Powell has earned a right

based on what he, even before, like when James Harden, now James Harden earned the right to be there, but early in the season, Powell was cooking for him. Powell was the one,

now James has gotten it going early, scoring, doing what he did. You know, James always going to be able to score the ball, but mainly he was facilitating.

You know, getting, you know, 10 assists, getting 11 assists, things like that. Norman Powell is a straight ball. Hey, let them rip. James is coming up. And now they got Kawhi back.

So they got three scores. They're playing really well. But I would have loved to see Norman Powell get an opportunity for his first All-Star game. Well, you know what he got to do? He got to use that as motivation. Goddamn LeBron, you want to move out of the way? LeBron ain't want to give up his spot?

Boy, you got to do something else. You got to come a little harder next year. Oh, Joe. He's never going to get voted in with the fans. Trey Young is leading the All-Star, is leading the league in assists

and it's not close. He didn't get voted in. Somebody had to get pulled in. The players and what you call them, the fans, like, okay, Trey, if Yonatan doesn't pull out, he doesn't go. Last year, he was 27-10. He didn't go. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Hold on now. Hold on. Now, wait a minute. Now, my little nephew, my little cousin, my little cousin ain't play tonight either. So we got the same energy band, man. Nephew ain't play tonight either now. The reports are that he was sick. Now, I don't know if he got sick traveling.

When did he get sick? Did he get sick Wednesday? Did he get sick Thursday? Did he get sick Thursday? Did he get sick Friday? We won't know. But here's the thing, Ocho. Look, Ant-Man ain't the draw. LeBron is.

It's not going to create. I mean, I see people in the chat talking about, what about Ant? What about Ant? Really? Y'all compared Ant to LeBron? All I'm saying is, look, LeBron just let what you call him, Norman Powell,

go. He's still going to get introduced. Just like they introduced Ant-Man. You see Ant-Man? Let's give it up for Ant-Man. He walked down and they applauded him. Hey, hold on. You heard what you just said, right? Yes.

You just said, I know y'all not comparing Ant-Man to LeBron, but you saying LeBron should have pulled out for somebody else. LeBron should have pulled out for Norman Powell. I don't know who to replace with him. Look, this is how I am, Ocho. This is how I operate. If I'm not going to play, I'm letting somebody else go. Yeah, but see, you talk about what you would have done.

We talk about LeBron, and LeBron don't want to move the way you would move and make the decisions Giannis would. Why? It's still, it's 21. Because, Ocho, once I found out that, hey, it's not like they're going to take what if I don't go, they're going to take my promo slot away. Because then I just go, hey go hey I be on crutches

going over there Ocho and I need this I need this hey cause and and I was first

on to the three times Ocho right right right so just think hey in 14 seasons Shannon Sharp goes to 11 Pro Bowls

that looks better than A doesn't it yeah it does, it does. Yes, it does. But I just look. Like I said, I don't know A's situation. They said he was sick. A probably got a lot of other stuff on his mind.

But like I said, that's the only thing. And I don't have a whole lot of critiques or criticism of LeBron because I think he's got enough of that in this social media era. Yeah. But if Ant-Man knew he was sick on Thursday, get your ass out of the way too.

Hey, you know, I keep it right down the middle. Yeah. If you was sick under the weather I don't know

who who was it who was another who was another T guy that probably would have made it if he because AD

AD's got an injury AD made it he had to come out he's hurt he ain't got no choice right hey boy that was funny bro but you know Ocho a lot of times these guys like they don't always be

in position right because it's just like a lot of times these guys that go they go every single year yeah every single year just look at you go look at your offensive lineman for the most part the offensive lineman once they go a couple times they they go and go and go. Because you look at average, offensive linemen probably have the most. Look at Bruce Matthews, 14. You look at Merlin Olsen, 14. You look at the offensive linemen. They go eight, nine, ten, eleven times unless they just completely fall apart. Yeah.

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uh job might enter next year Levine said he might come back one time uh Giannis on the Giannis you

we've seen you in the dunk contest no no you too tall yeah and now One time, Giannis, we've seen you in the dunk contest. No. No. You're too tall. Yeah. And not only is he too tall, Giannis doesn't have the creativity. He doesn't have the creativity to win. Now, you know, first round, he might do a little something.

But you don't have the creativity to go deeper into the rounds for the dunk contest, man. Right. He said, man. Right. He said, I got hacked. My kids tweeted that they came next to a nice day. I took my phone out of the charger, went in their room and tweeted. I found out this morning.

Yeah. But see, that's the thing. And people, people get upset about LeBron, LeBron and enter. I don't look at LeBron as a creative dunker. I look at LeBron as a power dunker. I look at LeBron as a power dunker.

Yes. And if he goes against someone that's creative, he's going to lose. He's going to lose, yeah. He's going to lose. There's only a few of them, man. Right. But you look at a Zach Levine. Creative.

You look at Aaron Gordon. You look at some of those guys like that. You look at a Vince Carter. You look at guys like that. You look at a Vince Carter. You look at guys like that. They're a creative dog. You see when Jordan, see Dominique lost to Jordan. I do think Dominique won. I think Dominique, but you see when Jordan came with the creativity,

doing all this, and the up and under, and the doing all this stuff that we hadn't seen before. Right. And you like because before that it was one hand power dunk dunk it for the free throw line. Jordan they do it for Jordan did for the free throw line and put it out there

in front of you like this here. Let you see it. He coming and doing it sideways. Rocking the baby with it. You see how that look? That's why Mack McClung. Mack McClung jumped over the top of the car. Yeah.

And then grabbed. And reversed it. Yeah. Mack McClung reversed it and then sprint and dunked it over Evan Mobley. Uh-huh. He caught up the guy off of a hoverboard. Yeah. Dunked it and dunked it.

Hold on. What about the one where he jumped over the dude, then touched the rim with the basketball. Yes. Touched the rim with the ball, and then creativity. Creativity every time. You know? That's the one he did with Evan Mobley. Yeah.

You got to be able to jump first now. You got to be able to jump first now. You got to be able to jump first. And I don't think the big guys, especially the taller guys have enough creativity to be able to do some of that stuff. It won't look the same because they're too damn tall. They're too tall. See, that's why Jordan looks so good doing it.

Because he's 6'6". Mike McClung looks even better because he's 6'2". And you're like, how long is this guy going to stay in the air? Right. Ocho to take it from the guy. Mm-hmm. Put the ball on the rim. He's looking at the rim as he touches the rim.

Mm-hmm. And then dumps it. Yeah. Think about the guy off the hoverboard. He takes it out of his hand. Boom. Boom. Right. McClung takes it out of his hand. Boom, boom. McClung got my kind of

vert now. I say... What do you think his vertical is? Probably, I would say above 45. Maybe even 50. 50? Has there ever been anybody that could jump like that? 50?

Yeah, but see, the thing is, they measure their jump running. You know, in the NFL, you stand flat for the jump. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we've had guys that go 45 and a half, 46.

I think Gerald Sensapal went 46. Boss Bailey went 46. Oh, yeah. We got a lot. Yeah, I mean, just raw athleticism? Yeah. The NFL players, they got it now. Yeah. We got a lot. Yeah. I mean, just athleticism, just raw athleticism. Yeah.

In the NFL players, they got it now. Yeah. I mean, but you can tell a guy that can run fast is normally explosive because that's fast twitch muscle. Yeah. So you look at guys that run them four threes, go check their vert. Those are the guys that's doing 40. Right. And so, so I would,

I would not be surprised if Matt McClung has like a 48, 50 inch vert to be able to be that high over, over the rim, Ocho, and six too? Yeah. You got, you got to have, you got to have bunnies now.

You got that. And he ain't, he don't have, he don't have long arms. Yeah. So you look at a guy like Giannis or a guy like KD, have, you know,

have wingspan of damn near eight feet. Mm-hmm. Mack McClung really is a normal dude. If you saw Mack McClung walking down the street, and you're not an avid basketball fan, you walk right past him. Yeah. He look like an average dude.

Yeah. That's crazy. I didn't know me and his vert was exactly the same check the numbers now oh but he was all 50s Castle, that Castle had he not missed that first dunk

he missed it like 3 or 4 times so I'm surprised they gave him as high a score as they did considering he missed it so many times. Difficult. Mack McClung, what, he missed the first dunk?

I think he missed it, what, one time? You think he ran up there one time? He's like, okay, I got it now. I got it now, yeah. 50-50-50.

Ain't a whole lot of, if you go back and look, I don't know how many times he's got anything but 50s. I mean, bro, you dunking over Shaq or you dunking over Taco Fall, man. Come on now. So it was. And see, I think the thing is, Ocho, people don't want to give a guy credit

because normally the old, when I first started, because the dunk contest started in the ABA. Yeah. It wasn't NBA. And when the NBA absorbed dunk contest started in the ABA. Yeah. It wasn't NBA. And when the NBA absorbed the ABA, they brought it. Yeah. And you had stars. Your guys that actually participated in the dunk contest,

they were actually in the game. You had the Dr. J's. You had the Clyde Drexler's. You had the Dominique's. You had the Michael Jordan's. You had the Vince Carter Drexler. You had the Dominiques. You had the Michael Jordans. You had the Vince Carlin, the Colbys. And, you know, you had those guys. So those were the stars.

Now, Mack McClung got the G League. You got guys that are like role players. They're like nobody knows who they are. You're like, who is he? Yeah. So that's the problem that they're running into. And then, just when you thought the creative, like, what can they do? Here come Mack McClung, say, I'm going to jump over a damn car.

The body of the car, not the hood, the body. Yeah. And I'm going to reverse it. Okay? I'm going to reverse it. Okay? I'm going to take it out your hand as you stick it through the sunroof. I'm going to take it out your hand and I'm going to reverse it.

I remember I did that. I did that at Bunch Park. He was, it's going to be, but he's saving the dunk contest, Ocho. He really is. Yeah, Ocho. He really is. Yeah, I mean. He really is.

He did an unbelievable job. But the thing about it, after a three-peat, now you got other players chiming in, players that can actually dunk, players that are creative, players that we have former dunk contest winners saying they're going to come back.

That will make the game that much more interesting. It's getting to the point now when McClung continuing to win, the dunk contest might be a little bit more interesting than the All-Star game itself. But think about it, Ocho. The three-point competition, I mean, you get...

Because think about it. You get Steph. You get Dame. You got Clay. You got some of the best three-point shooters. But none of the best dunkers are in the dunk contest. So that's what's like. When you remember, you go back and look at Clyde going up against Mike and Dominique. Yeah.

When Sean Kemp was in it. Yeah. I mean, they used to have guys that are... Dee Brown. Remember Dee Brown? Yep. Dee Brown won it. Larry Nance.

Larry Nance, I think, beat Dr. J in the first one. I think it was back in 83, 84. But... It's tough. And I think the thing is, like I said, for me, I never thought Braun was a creative dunker.

Power dunk. Can he dunk on people? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. But I think the most creative dunk was the rocker baby. Uh,

I think that was maybe like after the Colby situation, he did the rock, the rocker baby. But I would like to see Ant-Man. I would like to see Ant-Man I would like to see Ja I would like to see go against and Levine

and Aaron Goren says he done he said y'all ain't finna rob me three times I done got robbed I done got robbed on this block I ain't coming down here no more

I done got robbed two or three times I ain't coming down this block anymore damn y'all yeah and would be nice and creative as hell, too. Ocho, check this out.

CP3 and Wimby were disqualified after trying to hack the NBA Skills Challenge. CP3 thought he figured out a way to skirt the rules of the NBA All-Star Game 2025 Skills Challenge, but he and Wimby were disqualified for their shenanigans. The final stage of the three-part skills challenge involves shooting, but to get through the relay with the fastest time it's possible. When me and Paul didn't actually shoot the ball, they just raked him from the rack.

Instead, they flung the balls quickly towards the basket, not engaging in any sort of shooting motion. Hey, listen, if you're not... They violate the spirit of... Ocho, see what I tell you what what what if you create something

somebody's gonna try to find a way to be cheated always always now you know that now if you if you ain't cheating

you ain't trying now don't tell me you don't tell me you ain't you ain't cheating on your test back in the day now you know

look at Ocho and Skills Challenge Ocho oh man here you go Skills Challenge SAT

FCAT any kind of test well if i cheat on the sat and then got and and got like 500 right i don't know who the hell played but i was cheating up for what they get three you need to complain you need to complain that's why you only you already got to sit next to somebody smart shoot how do you think I passed mine? Bro, last I checked, when you go into an SAT, take an SAT on a college campus, you're not going to know any of them damn people. Or at least I didn't. They from all over the state.

They coming from Savannah, Reesville, Glenville, Hinesville, Forest, they coming from all over. I know not one person in that class. And I had just played a game, got in late, had to get up there early. I'm like, I already know. You got to look. You know, the small folk got to look to them now. But I see you.

And I'm a dog with my home. Yeah. Titus. Okay, I want to see you. Come on. What they do, twin? What they do, twin? What they do, boy? Huh?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Made his little appearance. Okay. I'm going to see you down the south floor. You want to go down to Florida? Yeah, come on down here with your boy. Say, they got some Labradoodles down there. Oh, yeah, they got it.

I'm looking for a labradoodle we got we got them you need to be about 95 pounds yeah make sure she got all her shots

she up to date oh yeah she up to date she up to date I got something for her I take good care of Titus I got Farmer's Dog we got Farmer's Dog man man CP3 CP3 know better I got farmers dog we got farmers dog man

man CP3 CP3 know better how long CP3 been in the league 19 years yeah trying to find a shortcut yeah no that was

what you call him that was CP3 but he know everybody was going to be like come on CP3 we'd be like I'll take I'll take

I'll take it I'll take the blow for this one yeah it's kind of like uh uh uh uh when uh you remember the Pistons didn't shake the Bulls hand oh yeah

and Bill Lambert said that was me everybody said damn well that was me when everybody said everybody you know damn well that was Isaiah uh huh but Bill Lambert don't really care at all Bill Lambert don't care

he said I take the Adam Silver says he's emphatic with angry uh empathetic excuse me empathetic

with Mav fans but believes Mavs did what was in the best interest of the organization. In terms of anger at the fan base, I'm empathetic. I understand Dallas was in the finals last year. I've also said this before. I like Luka very much. It seems truly authentic that he was stunned, and you could see it in his body language.

I am sympathetic to the Mavericks organization. I've known Nico Harrison for a long time from his prior tenure at Nike. I've also gotten close to Patrick Dumont, our new governor in Dallas. I can say one thing for sure, whether or not history will ultimately judge as a smart trade,

they did what they thought was in the best interest of their organization. I have absolutely no knowledge or belief that there were any ulterior motives. Ocho, chime in. They thought they did

what was best for the team. Can I ask you a question real quick? Chat, ask you a question. The trade was made has been about what,

a week, maybe two weeks to this point? Two weeks. Weeks? How's that trade going right now? AD got hurt. Okay.

Okay. I'm just curious. I would like Adam Sandler to come out. Adam Sandler. I would like Adam Silver. He'd come out, too. I wish I would like Adam Silver to come out and speak the real. How about you tell the truth?

How about you be honest? Tell me what you want him to say. I want him to say how he truly feels. I want to say exactly how he truly feels. You making that goddamn trade was goddamn ridiculous. But you do realize he's the commissioner of the NBA and that's the problem the fact that he's in a position of power and he can't say how he truly goddamn feels because he's a commissioner have you ever heard Roger

Adele say how he truly feels yeah when the cameras ain't rolling okay he probably said that when the cameras ain't rolling ultra you got to understand people in position like that you can't say everything that you feel or you won't be in that position long right I I think that when the cameras ain't rolling. Ultra, you got to understand, people in positions like that, you can't say everything that you feel or you won't be in that position long. Right. I think that's the problem with society now. That's the problem with people in positions of power. Everything is fake. Everything is PC. They never get in

the people some of the things they want to say. The people are saying it at home, but the person that's sitting in the highest seat refuses to say it because they got to be PC. When you had trash quarterbacks, you didn't say that. When you had trash quarterbacks, you didn't say that. Huh? When you had trash quarterbacks, you didn't say they suck. Why didn't you say that publicly?

Time out. Let's rewind. Let's go back to my career. Yes. What quarterback did I have that sucked? All your quarterbacks were great. I had John Kitna, good. And I had Carson Palmer.

What about the— I had Tom Brady. There were games had Carson Palmer good and I had Tom Rooney. There were games they weren't good and you didn't say they weren't good. Whoa, whoa, whoa. This is a game of football. Now, let me finish. We strive for perfection. We strive for perfection and greatness. If we fall short, that means we're good.

They weren't bad. Everybody has a bad game. You had bad games. But you didn't say they had a bad game you had bad but you didn't say why did you say that because 99.9% of the time they're good when they had a bad game why didn't you say my quarterback suck see why you say I want people to speak to you know what you say chat why you doing chat that's not what he's saying are you doing nice he's, that's not what he said. Why are you doing that? He said. That's completely different. How you say, I want you to speak how you really feel.

Having a bad game doesn't mean you suck. You know what? My quarterback had a bad game. He sucked this game. See, my quarterback wasn't good this game. For one, I don't even talk like that. For two, I just want Adam Silver. See, that's what we need.

You know, you talk about you can't do certain things when you're in certain positions look what 45 be doing i ain't gonna say a name look what 45 be doing oh sure acting a plumb fool all the things you're not supposed to do when you're at the yeah when you sit at the highest seat. But you have to understand what he is. He's their Dr. King. No, you laughing, but that's how they view him because he's in bold of them to say what they feel. Right. So there's no more decorum. Right, right, right.

There's no real respect. You throw that at the window, you say whatever. Right, right. I don't want to live in a society where you get to say whatever, do whatever, and it gets like, oh, that's how I really feel.

I don't want to live like that. Okay, I understand what you mean. I understand what you mean. I mean, it was like that. It used to be like that in the 60s. Yeah. They said whatever. They did whatever.

You came home in your uniform and you wore your uniform out. They would literally kill you. Because a black man had a uniform on. Right. Nah, I'm good. Yeah.

I think as a society, as we become more advanced, our behavior should also become more advanced. We shouldn't go back. Now, some people might think that's okay. Let's go back to where it was. Right. Well,

where it was for you might've been great. It wasn't great for all. Right. And it's never going to where it was. Right. Well, where it was for you might have been great. It wasn't great for all. Right. And it's never going to be great for all. But I think it can be better for most. That's just me. Right. Hey.

But no, look, I understand people in position like a commissioner. Yeah. You have to like, sometimes you got to just, you got to take all that because that's what the owners do. The owners pay you to take all the criticism that they're supposed to get. Right.

Okay, okay. You see how people blaming Adam Silver? He knew about it. So what's he going to do? You see, David Stern was able to block a trade because the NBA, they owned the Hornets.

Oh. The Hornets at the time. So they could block that trade. Because they didn't think it was in the best interest of them. Right. They got no say so on that. It's just like what did Roger Goodell, our commissioner, always say. You know, we let team handle team fiends.

That was a team decision. You can't force us to keep a player if we want to trade it. Right. decision. You can't force us to keep a player if we want to trade it. I just... Look, I get that. I get it. Because you're looking at Luka, 25 years of age, five-time first-team All-NBA selection, and they made a move that came out of nowhere. You didn't hear anything.

You heard no murmurs. You heard nothing about Anthony Davis being traded. You heard nothing about Luka Doncic being traded. And all of a sudden, Shams drops that bombshell. Yes, sir. So it caught everybody off guard, and because of the players that are involved, and also because you didn't hear anything

about it. That is the biggest trade. It's the biggest trade in NBA history. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely, bro. But like he biggest trade in NBA history. Oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. But like he said, we'll see if only time will tell, Ocho, if this was the right move. Hey, and listen, only time will tell, but it's telling right

now. It's telling right now and it's telling real early. Get out of here. Go Flames. Oh, go ahead. Okay, chat. I'm back. I'm back.

Anyway, y'all see my jacket? It's mine. I just came from the Andrea Bocelli concert. I bought me a jacket. A little Bocelli jacket. I know y'all probably don't, y'all ain't at the opera

or nothing like that, but, you know, if you go on a nice little date with your girl or y'all in the car, man, put some Andrea Bocelli on. He has a nice album that you might enjoy. It's called Love in Portofino. I think that's it. Might be Love in Portofino. But check him out.

Check him out. You'll like it. Matter of fact, he might be coming to your city soon. Go on Google and check that out. And, you know, something different. You might enjoy it. Okay, he's back. Yeah, he gets, he's, it's past his bedtime.

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