Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Ben Johnson Bears, Travis Hunter Browns?, Lamar road block

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to a wild weekend of AFC and NFC Divisional playoffs. Top stories include the Chicago Bears finalizing a contract with Ben Johnson to be the next HC, Heisman winner Travis Hunter's NFL future could be in Cleveland, time is ticking for Baltimore Ravens QB Lamar Jackson’s Super Bowl hopes and much more!03:10 - Ben Johnson will be the newest head coach of the Bears09:41 - Travis Hunter going to the Browns?12:35 - Ravens vs. Bills28:47 - How many chances will Lamar Jackson get?34:46 - What’s the problem in Dallas?42:10 - Eagles vs. Rams(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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terms, and responsible gaming resources. Ocho, so now let's get back. The Lions' offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson, has agreed to a deal to become the Chicago Bears' next head coach. Johnson has been the Lions' offensive coordinator for the past three seasons. And if I'm not mistaken, I think they finish in the top five in offense each of those seasons.

He will fill the job vacated by Matt Eberflus when they fired him on November 29th. Johnson will become the 19th head coach in the 105-year franchise existence. Ocho, do you like the hire? You goddamn right I like the hire. You goddamn right. Now, listen, we talk about Ben Johnson now.

We talk about Ben Johnson that worked wonders with Jared Goff, worked wonders offensively with that offense. The creativity that has amazed all of us all season long. Now, we know Dan Campbell loves to go forward on fourth down. Why do you think he's so confident in doing some of the things he does as a head coach? Because of Ben Johnson and what he's able to do.

So I look at it from this standpoint. You got Jameson Williams. You got Amon Ross St. Brown. You got Laporta. Now you go to another supporting cast in Chicago that different skill sets, but they get the job done very well. You have a great quarterback,

dual threat quarterback, who's a little bit more mobile, a little bit more agile, can play off script a little better than golf, and Caleb Williams. He's a good thrower of the ball as well. This is going to be a perfect relationship, not only for Ben Johnson, but for Caleb Williams and his career. I guarantee you, and I'm going to put it out there right now, and it's going to be a I told you so moment

when the season starts and we're in about maybe week seven or week eight, and I'll be like, I told you so. Caleb Williams being one of the top quarterbacks in the league statistically because of Ben Johnson and his creativity and his offensive prowess. Watch. I like the hire. I like the hire also. But what I don't like, Chicago and New England doing that fake stuff,

bringing black coaches in there when they know damn well they're not going to hire them. Yeah, yeah, yeah stuff. Bring black coaches in there when they know damn well they're not behind. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They brought Eddie George in there and you know, look, if you, you gotta take it.

Yeah, yeah. You know damn well they want, excuse me, but you know good and D-well, you know good, you know good and D-well, you wanted Ben Johnson. Right.

But, Ocho, hey, the Rooney rule, I got to get that quote up. Same thing in New England. New England, y'all brought two Blacks, y'all brought Pep Hamilton in,

y'all brought this other Black, you know, good and well, Byron Lethbridge. Y'all know, first of all, Byron Lethbridge been out of the league

for what, two years? And y'all going to bring him in. Now, he ain't got no office according to them, but y'all brought him in. Yeah.

And see, what y'all did, the Patriots did that thing so good, they brought two of them in. Ooh, ooh. Ooh, they gonna have, ooh. They brought two of them. Yeah. I mean, listen,

they have to check the boxes, huh? They gotta check the boxes. Like you said, they gotta meet the quota. You have to satisfy the rule that's in place that's really not working. Ain't got no tea to it.

But look, I like the hire. I like Ben Johnson. I like what he did. You mentioned it. He has a quarterback that's more mobile. He has very good look. You got Roman Dunes that he took in the first round for the Bears. You got DJ Moore that you signed to a contract extension.

You got Keenan Allen. I think Keenan Allen is a free agent, so you probably bring him back because he came on strong at the end of the year. He's that guy that he's not as fast, he's not as quick as Amon Raw in the slot, but he gets it done. He got tremendous moves. He got great hands.

I like him. He's a big body. He can body you up. So I like that. I like their... I don't really know their running back situation. You gonna have to improve the offensive line because that's one thing yeah uh offensive line and you're gonna probably get better because you look at what they got and uh and in detroit right you know you got penesul who's a pro bowler all pro you got zeitler you

got deck uh you got glass now you got decker youagnar. You got, you know, Detroit has a very good offensive line. And so you're going to have to get that up to par in Chicago because your quarterback took 60-plus sacks. That's too many, Ocho. Oh, yeah. That's way too many sacks. Now, all of it is not on the offensive line. Caleb Williams is going to have to do a better job of getting rid of the football.

It's okay to throw it away. Because sometimes I think, guys, they get caught up, Ocho, well, I'm going to mess up my completion percentage. Bro, throw that damn ball away. You don't want to be taking all those hits.

Right, right. But I like the hire. I'm sure they got money and cap space that they can improve this team. I love the hire by Ben Johnson. I got no qualms about that hire. He's put his time in as an offensive coordinator, as an offensive coach.

I think it was the right time for him to get this job. So I really like the hire. I'm a little surprised that he went in the same division as his former boss. Normally they get away, Ocho. But, hey, that was the best situation. I always thought the Bears, for me, that was the best situation. I always thought that the Bears, for me, that was the best situation that was available. To me. I mean, other

people, people like the Raiders, you know, Tom Brady playing quarterback. Ain't done the work with over there, huh? Ain't got no quarterback. So you understood that that was the best fit, especially for him and what he brings to the table. Yeah, I thought that was the best. I thought that.

The Jets, you got the Jets situation. You got a lot of tough stuff going on with the Jets. What other job is available, Ocho? The Jets was available. Saints. The Saints. The Saints. Hopefully, A.G. get the Saints or the Jets.

I know, I think he know. Obviously, A.G. played with the Jets. Haley played with the Saints also. He was on the defensive staff. He was on Sean Payton's staff when he was at the Saints. So, but hopefully he gets one of these jobs.

But it's going to be tough without a quarterback. You got to find a quarterback, Coach O. Without that, you don't really have a chance to have longevity. Your leash is going to be short.

Your leash is very short if you ain't got no quarterback. Well, our leash is short anyway. But anyway, that's not what's there. We'll talk going to be short. Your leash is very short if you ain't got no quarterback. Well, our leash is short anyway. But anyway, that's not what's there. We'll talk about that another day. But I like the hire. I like Ben Johnson hire. Chicago

should be good. That's a very tough division, Ocho. We'll see what Minnesota does with Sam Darnold. Do they move on or do they elevate J.J. McCarthy? Going to be very interesting because you got Jordan Love, you got golf, you got Caleb Williams. So I like it.

I like it. Many scouts believe the Browns will take Travis Hunter, number two overall, and focus on a quarterback later in the draft. A multitude of NFL scouts are reportedly of the belief that there's no way Shadur Sanders would play for the Browns, even if the Browns were interested in picking him. There's reportedly thought among scouting circles that if Hunter were to go to Cleveland, he would have a Jim Brown-type impact on the franchise.

Browns hold 33rd and 67th overall pick, which would possibly give them a potential to select Jackson Dart, Quinn Ewers, Jalen Monroe, or Kyle McCord. This is going to be a franchise changing draft for the Browns. I like it. What you thinking, Ochoa? You know, their identity anyway is their defense, honestly, until you get a quarterback at the helm.

That can change the franchise right around like James Daniels has done, like a C.J. Stroud has done. But can you imagine Denzel Ward and goddamn Travis Hunter? I don't care if you got Denzel Ward. I don't care if you got primetime. I don't care if you got Mel Blunt. I don't care if you got primetime. I don't care if you got Mel Blunt. I don't care if you got Reba. If you cannot score, you cannot win at this level.

You got to build a foundation somewhere. You got to start somewhere. And it's been how long since they've had a quarterback? Arnold Graham. Nah. Oh, yeah. I mean, they had some Nah. Oh yeah. I mean, they had some good years with,

uh, with Bernie. Um, you know, Bernie, you know, uh, they had the cart,

the cardiac, the cardiac, uh, brows, uh, with, uh, yeah,

the guy named, uh, Brian site. If I'm not mistaken, I think in the 80, uh, 1980, uh,

site was an MVP, but, and you know, they, they have some, they had some situations. I think it was Bernie that they went to the AFC championship games and they ended up losing to the Broncos. They lost twice to Broncos in the AFC championship game.

But it's been a while. That's been, Ocho, that's been 30-plus years ago. Hell, that was before I got there. As a matter of fact, they lost to the Browns the year before I got there. So that was 89. I got to the Broncos in 90. So that was 37 years ago. Putting asses.

Excuse me. Talking about putting butts in seats. They had Baker. I mean, the Baker, look, they had Baker and Baker had a couple of good years, but they didn't have the talent around him. He got hurt. And like I said, Baker needed to move on. They didn't like, and you have to accept Baker for who he is.

He's cocky. He believes in his ability. I got no problem with that. You know, they like when we want an adult in the building. But Baker is where he should be, in Tampa, playing unbelievable football for a team that believes in him, players that believe in him. Also, the Bills get their revenge.

The Bills defeated the Ravens 27-25 in a dramatic finish in Buffalo, advancing to the AFC Championship game for the first time since 2021. Heartbreaking loss for the first time since 2021. Heartbreaking loss for the Ravens. The Bills will head to Kansas City for a rematch. Remember, Kansas City went to Buffalo. I think they lost by

double digits. Now, the regular season doesn't matter. If Buffalo proved, they lost really big, really bad to who was that? The Ravens earlier this year. Derrick Henry ran wild, but Buffalo gets their revenge and now they turn around and

head back to Kansas City. Buffalo is the only team to beat Kansas City starters during the regular season and the entire regular season in 2024. Remember, Ocho, they sought their starters the last game, but at the end of the day, this game came down to turnovers and missed opportunities. The Ravens are going to kick themselves.

They turned the ball over. Lamar had two bad turnovers early in the ballgame. And then this is a game that Mark Andrews is going to want to forget. He had a couple of drops, Ocho. He had a costly fumble. And then the two-point conversion. You know in a situation like that, Ocho, when the weather's bad like that, if you bobble, it's over. You're not going to catch it again because the ball's too slick.

And you got no footing. And so once he bobbled it, you know it was like, well, this is it. This is the opportunity. But when you look at this game, and it's another disappointing season, and we can't place all of this at the feet of Lamar. I didn't think he played well early. I thought they got away from the running game too soon, Ocho. Because if you look at when they came out of the locker room in the third quarter

and they got the ball, what'd they do, Ocho? Boom, boom, boom, boom. Went right down the field, running the ball. Go ahead, Ocho. Go ahead. Right down the field. The floor's yours. They got the—

Can you please explain to me, understanding how you won all season long, even with the turnovers that you did have? You had an opportunity. You had an opportunity. There are moments in a football game. There are moments in a playoff game. There are one, two, maybe three plays, if that, that matter out of all the plays that you run in the game. And those moments, those plays that actually actually mattered they didn't capitalize on those opportunities despite the turnovers that you had yeah despite the turnovers like listen i i'm not

going to blame the game on one person i would never do that the turnovers hurt from lamar one one of them didn't count because it was still tight it was it was still tied up and even though they go down and score on that turnover, he still had opportunity to tie the game back up. Right. Second one, the fumble. Now that's costly. Yeah.

That's costly. Andrews. You have to live with that, the Ocho, because we've seen him bobber the snap. We saw him against your Bengals. He bobbered the snap

and threw a touchdown to likely. So you're going to have to live with him because I know a lot of people say Lamar just fall on it. Live to another day but what makes him lamar jackson is his ability to turn a a disaster into something dynamic yeah tonight tonight just wasn't it um i feel i feel bad for mark andrews um because it was right there it was right there. It was right there. All he had to do was be able to secure that catch. If anything, that was his second or third drop. He had two drops and a fumble.

Remember, they punched it out. He had a big game, and the dude punched it out. And if I'm not mistaken, I think they went down and got a field goal. So that's what pushed it to an eight-point game. You got to make that catch on. By all means, you got to look that in. You got to stare at the laces on that ball and look it all the way. And if you got to go back to the basics,

the basic fundamentals of catching the ball, you can't drop a ball in that scenario like that. You can't. Because it allows you to, it gives your team another chance, a second chance. Now you put it back on your defense. Now you put it back on your defense. Now you put it back on your defense to stop them. Don't let them get in field goal range.

Now, Josh, now maybe they're going to play a little free, so now Josh is going to probably do a little bit more running around because he has some freedom so now he can rely on his legs. And I thought that's the thing that really helped Lamar. Like, Buffalo didn't want to give it the big play, but the one thing you got to do is you got to keep him in the pocket. You can't let him get outside the pocket. You let him get outside the pocket.

So he started off. He's running. Now he gets outside of the pocket. He hits likely. He gets outside of the pocket. He hits Sims. He gets outside of the pocket. He hit Andrew.

You can't let him get outside the pocket. Make him beat you from the pocket. And I know it's a lot easier said than done, but you want to keep him in that box. And if he works his magic in the box on Joe, you just have to live with that because you

can't take everything away. But I'm going to take away what I know you want to do, which is get outside the pocket and buy yourself time. Yeah. I mean, the first half,

the Bills played really good. They did. It looks like they bullied the Ravens on both sides of the ball. They did. Even though when you look at it, now, I know I'm not blind. I know I'm not blind and I know what I'm seeing.

The Ravens defensively are first in almost every statistical category. But what I saw from the Bills in the first half, it didn't seem that way. Now, I don't know if the conditions played a part in that and them being successful running the ball and moving it down with the intermediate game through the pass. I don't know if the conditions

played any kind of part in that, but like, it, oh, it sucks. It sucks. It does.

It does. Let me tell you how I know it sucks because I feel bad for Lamar for one and it's how you know I feel bad because I'm not even making fun of you. I'm not even making fun of you about your team losing. And going on.

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and we've seen Lamar this season have games where he's damn near perfect. Well, he has a perfect quarterback passing rating, 158.3. You can't get any higher than that. And we've seen him have those games. For whatever reason, those games have come few and far between when it matters the most. This is when it matters the most because there's finality to this. There is no tomorrow. There is no tomorrow.

This great season, we got an all-pro quarterback that's probably going to win his third MVP in a five-year span. We got an all-pro running back that runs for damn near 2,000 yards. Now, Zay Flowers not being in there, that hurt. But they still got two of the best tight ends. They still got, I believe they got two top 10 tight ends. Nobody else can say that in the NFL. They've got, you know, Marlon Humphrey with the first team all pro at the slot.

Hamilton made the Pro Bowl. I think they had a defensive line, Matt Abiqua made the Pro Bowl. They had another get in, made the Pro Bowl. This is very disappointing. You look at the way they turned their season around, especially defensively, Ocho. They were really good offensively.

They lost some games that you're like, y'all go and y'all beat this team, but y'all lose to the Raiders? How the hell y'all lose to the Raiders? I think they lost, ended up losing, maybe ended some other team that wasn't very good. And you ask asking yourself, how are the Ravens losing

to these teams with Lamar and Derrick Henry and all these weapons that they have? Is that if you go back and study Lamar, and y'all can dress it up however you want to, Ocho in the playoffs, he's had look at how many games that he's actually played in the playoffs, and then look at how many

multiple turnover games he's had in the playoffs. Now go back, juxtapose, rewind it, press play, look at the regular season all of it starts, and look at how many multiple turnover games. Not nearly. So damn near every game that he, damn near every game, but two-thirds of the games that he's played in the playoffs, he's turning the ball over.

When you turn the ball over, not only do you don't give yourself to still get play after play after play, you give them possession. So now they take you off the field because they're really not like a turnover defense, Ocho. They get occasionally, but they don't really take the ball away like the old Ravens and put points on the board with it. But now all of a sudden, instead of seven you know, seven, eight, nine, ten plays where you can have something to hang your hat on,

you only get three plays because you've turned the ball over. Right. And that's what is hurting Lamar. And I know he's like, man, here we go again. It has to. Don't let anybody tell you. I know you're going to say, yes, it does. Because you know what happened last year?

You had two turnovers. And you had two turnovers in the first half this year. So you're playing all of a sudden, it's going through your mind, and everybody's thinking the same thing in Baltimore. Here we go again. Lamar, because think about it, Ocho. The man only had four interceptions the entire year. Season.

So he plays 18 games, 18 plus one. He didn't turn the ball over against Pittsburgh. So he played 18 games with 18 plus one. He didn't turn the ball over against Pittsburgh. So he played 18 games with four interceptions. And then you come out here and have another interception. And then I think he had another fumble. He just has to let... And I don't want him to get over this so bad because

it's a very disappointing season. Because, like I said, Ocho, you and I both believe he's about to be a three-time league MVP. And here he is. He is. He is. He's going to win it. He's going to win it. Because what he did during the regular season, you can't take it away from him.

You can't. Because it was the special season. It was. He has to understand. And listen, I know Lamar already knows. When you go into the postseason, and if you look at when you made it before and you've lost, you've lost. The one thing that comes back is the turnovers. You make it that much difficult.

You put your team behind the eight ball when you turn the ball over. And you say it all the time, Monk. You pay double for them. You pay double. You pay double for them, even though you had a chance to come back. Now everything else has to go well or damn near perfect to get yourself back in the game. It is. And if you look at

Joe Flacco, Joe Flacco's not a third of the quarterback, but can't play off time? Oh, yeah. Joe Flacco's supposed to have been the two Super Bowls. He hit Lee Evans in the hand and had the Patriots beat and he dropped it. And then

we know he went on the road. He went on the road and beat Peyton in his house. He went on the road and beat Tom in his house. And he went and he won a Super Bowl. And he had Tom beat again in his house. Joe Flacco played above. You would think, Joe, you're like, hold on.

Wait a minute. Why the hell are you doing this in the playoff? You don't look nothing like this in the regular season. Let's call him Joe Flacco. That's Joe Montana. Yeah. It's just the opposite. With Lamar.

I don't know what it is, Ochoa. I don't know if he's putting too much pressure. I don't know if it's a mental hurdle. But for the turnovers, you go back and look at his first playoff game against the Titans in the divisional round, he turned the ball over. Remember, in the next year, he goes on ball over. He played, remember in the next year he goes on the road to play Buffalo. He throws a 100 plus yard interception.

He comes back last year. He had two interceptions. Again, Zay Flowers' interception turnover was costly because they was like at the one yard line. You like to think Ocho, well he fumbled in the end zone. So you like to think Ocho. They're going to get points out of that, maybe a touchdown.

And then Mark Andrews, they're driving again. He punches it out. The drop pass and the two-point conversion. It's just tough because they're going to put this at, yeah, he dropped the ball. Mark Andrews didn't play a good game, but they're going to place this at the feet of Lamar because he's their best player.

He's going to be the guy that's going to win the MVP. Not Mark Andrews. Right. Not anybody else. But listen, he won the MVP, right? Not only what he was able to do with his legs, but also his support and cast. Yes. His support and cast.

And you need his support and cast to show up for you all the time as much as you'd like to. Now, listen, the onus is on you as a quarterback. When you win, you get the praise. When you lose, they're going to let you have it. But your supporting cast has to come in for you, especially in times like this. They have to. They have to.

Ocho, if it was a situation where, you know, they're going back and forth, and all of a sudden, somebody fumbled the ball, and Lamar had one of those days where he's like five touchdowns, and he doesn't turn the ball over, but somebody else gets stripped. Or somebody, you know, ball caroms off their hand. Right. You're like, hey, I don't know what y'all want Lamar to do. The man had five touchdown passes.

He didn't have a turnover. That was the receiver got it pulled out. That was the running back to fumble the ball. But these situations, Ocho, they had three turnovers tonight. That matched their total from the last seven games. That's crazy.

That's crazy. And conditions, we can't make no excuses. Yeah. Hell, the weather's bad in Baltimore. That makes me like, Ocho, the weather's wrong. Baltimore, what's the weather's bad in baltimore that makes me like oh joe oh the weather bro do you baltimore what's the weather like in baltimore cleveland what's the weather like in cleveland cincinnati what's the weather like in cincinnati uh pittsburgh what's the weather like in baltimore

plays bad weather games newsflash and they don't play on the dome right if you didn't know better we're going to talk about this game a little later if i didn't tell you if you didn't know the rams within la you would think hold on how they how matthew stafford throwing the ball like this how they doing what they doing they're not supposed to be able to do like this it's sunny in california they play in a dome arizona is in a dome right this it sucks lamar Jackson Ocho has played eight playoff games eight

he's had multiple turnovers in half of them damn I from a playoff standpoint the chance

at Lombardi right what is the window of opportunity for the Ravens From a playoff standpoint and the chances at Lombardi, right? What is the window of opportunity for the Ravens? While they have the team that they have right now, what do you think the window of opportunity for them is to actually get to a chip? As long as they got Lombardi, they still got a chance. No matter what.

You know the funny thing? Even with the other teams getting better, even with other teams getting better in the AFC, in the NFC, there will still not be another Lamar Jackson. It won't. So it always gives you that hope. It always gives you that chance. In the back of your mind, even as a Ravens fan,

for those that are in the chat that are watching, you as a Ravens fan, you know, for those that are in the chat that are watching, you're always going to be in contention. Because not only are other teams getting better, you know, your owner, your GMs, your coaches have one job as well. Continue to put pieces around Lamar to make sure that you have a chance to get back to this point, to get back to an AFC championship. At one point, to be able to play in a super bowl you know and improve your team can i ask you a question talk to me how

how many times do you take the pretty girl out and you don't get nothing before you stop three okay three because that's what i mean that's the pretty girl. Lamar Jackson is that. I mean, three-time league MVP, an all-pro. I mean, think about it. Lamar Jackson is the first quarterback to be a three-time all-pro quarterback in his first seven. He's the first. Think about all the quarterbacks. Peyton, Tom, Aaron Rodgers, John Elway, Dan Marino, name a quarterback.

None. Yeah. Has done what Lamar Jackson has done. He's a three-time first-team All-Pro quarterback in his first seven years. That's crazy when you think about it. That's just how dynamic and special young boys. Montana, Young, Brett Favre, name a quarterback. All your great quarterbacks,

the one that's what? Tom Brady. Tom Brady's only been a three-time first team quarterback three times in 23 seasons. 22 seasons, however long he's played. He's a three-time. Lamar Jackson has done that three times in his first seven years. About to be a

three-time, he's about to have have more mvps in his first seven years than any quarterback but at the end of the day ocho you know it counts more in the playoffs but that's what they judge a regular season so they judge the quarterbacks off anyway that's it no other player really no other player gets judged off the playoffs like the quarterback does. Because that's how he makes his money. That's how he makes his name. If you want to be, look, you could

be great, but if you want to be iconic, the playoffs are where it's at. Kobe, Bird, Magic, Jordan, Braun, Iconic, Shaq, Montana, Rice, Mahomes, Brady, Iconic. It puts you into another stratosphere. It puts you into another conversation.

The conversation separates you from everybody else. Oh, there have been a lot of NFL players in the NFL. There have been a lot of NFL quarterbacks in the NFL. But you become iconic. I think it's over Ocho. Players, coaches, general managers, front office, over 25,000. Damn. 25,000.

25,000. Yeah. damn 25 000 25 000 yeah now you talk about the hall of fame that i think it's less than 400 but when you talk about historic and iconic players lamar jackson has an opportunity that when you talk about the nfl you cannot mention anything about the nfl or quarterbacks without saying l jack's name yeah that's what he has an opportunity to do. You know what's funny? And even now, even at this point, with no Super Bowl, with no Super Bowl,

you can't talk about the story of the quarterbacks throughout the entirety of the NFL without mentioning his name now. So imagine what happens when he gets over the hump. Because you can't tell the story of quarterbacks based on what he's done once he wins his MVP without mentioning his name. But what now you want to sue Bo when the Bradys and the Montanas

and the Mahomes having a discussion? Yeah. Let me roll my A. What y'all guys talking about? I'm at the table, Ocho. Well, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm at the table.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Damn, man. Yes. I'm at the table yeah damn man yes he's special all it takes is one and I've said this I believe if he can get one and I hate using the caveat if but if he can just get one

I believe the floodgates are open yeah I believe the floodgates for Lamar Jackson will open. And boy, it's hard. I mean, you think about it. Marino was 23, went to the Super Bowl, won the MVP, and never been back.

Uh-uh. I mean, John went. John went. I think John came in, what, 21, 83, 84, 85, 86. He went to the Super Bowl in 86, went in 87, went back in 89, and win it. John won the Super Bowl in year 15 of year 16. That's cool.

Kelly never won. Moon never won. I mean, think about it. They were killing Steve Young. Steve Young was winning the MVP just like Lamar. It wasn't until he won that Super Bowl he got that bear off his back.

Once you get that monkey off your... You ever ran the 400? Of course. You know what it's like when you're coming off that curve on that 300? That monkey jump on your back coming down that straightaway? Yep. All right.

And that's what it takes. All Lamar, that's Steve Young. He had to get that. He had to get that one. Right. Get that one. That's it. Every team has played in an NFC championship game

since the Cowboys last went to the NFC championship game you got a you got Dan Quinn with a rookie quarterback in the NFC championship game Kellen Moore

is calling plays in the NFC championship game his first year there who do you think the problem is in Dallas I'm just curious chat chat can you game. His first year there. So who do you think the problem is in Dallas? I'm just curious. Chat, who do you think

the problem is in Dallas? Because everyone that leaves Dallas and goes somewhere else, they seem to have found success. Or finding success. The coaches thrive. So who is the problem? I'm just asking. I'm curious what the chat would say.

Oh, yeah. You know, Mike McCarthy got tired of Kellen Moore getting a little shine. Oh, you know, he wanted to run the ball. He wanted to pass the ball too much. And lo and behold, he get Kellen Moore out there, and he throws the ball more than what Kellen Moore did when Kellen Moore was calling the plays. Yeah, I know who I would like to see be the Dallas coach.

I know we've heard the rumblings about Prime going there, and I'm not sure if that will work, that situation, because Prime would be the one to take all the spotlight away from Jerry. All the tremendously. to take all the spotlight away from Jerry. Tremendously. I think Dak and Chad might not agree with me, but I think Dak and C.D. Lamb and the rest of the supporting cast offensively would do very well with Ben Johnson and his creativity, you know, with that offense. And being the fact that with Ben Johnson, they would score, be somewhere statistically in the top five when it comes to scoring.

I don't know why I just like it. I just think someone like Ben Johnson being in Dallas, not only being the head coach, but also controlling and doing the play calling as well. You can't, Ocho. Because he's like Al. Man had to get Al to sheet. Al needed to know what he was running.

We're not going to get into that. Ocho, in fact, seven Dallas assistant coaches from 22 or 23 will be participating. Wait, how many? In the NFC Championship game. Seven. Seven. The last championship game appears for the Dallas Cowboys was 1995.

The Bears, every team has been in the NFC championship game except the Cowboys in the 2000s. Even the Bears, the Giants except the Cowboys, in the 2000s. Even the Bears. The Giants won the Super Bowl. The Seahawks, Carolina, Arizona, Falcons, Minnesota, Saints, Packers, Tampa, Rams, 49ers, Detroit, the Commanders, and the Eagles.

Do you think Jerry knows this? Or he doesn't pay it no mind? Ocho. If you could do whatever you wanted to do and make $300 million, or you could do it the right way, make $300 million, but you're not going to get no credit.

Jerry wants credit. That ain't working. That's what're not going to get no credit. Jerry wants credit. That's what Jerry wants. That ain't working. Jerry wants to be the face. How could you not see it's not working? Didn't that man tell you he bought this team, he bought this occupation? Yeah, but normally...

He told you that, Ocho. How about the occupation? The point of buying an occupation is for one, so you can succeed and win at it. Not just buy it to tear it down, or not just buy it and be losing. I want to do it. I want to work on my

own car. It won't ever crank. Instead of me taking it to an auto technician. Instead of me taking it to Ocho technician, instead of me taking it to a coach, because you know, we got to be politically correct. We can't say mechanic anymore. We got to say auto technician.

Not because, you know, people say, oh, let's give them their proper credit. Auto technicians. I like that. Shade tree-ass mechanic. But in that situation, man, it's, I mean, look at this. With a rookie quarterback, Dan Quinn stayed longer than what he probably should because he thought he was going to get the Dallas job. He was going to be willing to forego, give up of himself.

We saw Dan Quinn get to the Atlanta Falcons to the Super Bowl, have a 28-3 lead. So he can coach. He can coach. But nobody, Ben Johnson is not going to be Ben Johnson in Dallas. He needs to go somewhere where he's going to have control. It looks like all indication is pointing to the Raiders. I wouldn't be surprised within the next two to three days. How are we going to the Raiders?

We don't got no quarterback. I'm talking about we. He doesn't want to. Listen, a lot of times guys don't want to be in a situation with Detroit. A guy that gave him his start, I don't really want to be in that situation. Dan Quinn said, I don't care. Dan Quinn said, I'm tired of this. You told me you were going to make something happen for your boy,

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The Eagles defeated the Rams 28-22. Philadelphia advances to the NFC Championship game for the second time in three years. They will host the Commanders next Sunday in an all-NFC East clash. Saquon rushed for two-hole five. Remember, he had 255 the first game. This is the second time this season

he's exceeded 200 yards rushed against the Rams. The majority of the yardage came on two carries. He had a 78-yarder. He had a 62-yarder. Jalen Hurst suffered his knee injury in the second half, but was able to finish the game. Ocho, you and I talked last night. I'm not going to let Saquon beat me.

Yeah. If Jalen Hurst throws for an efficient 250 yards, three touchdowns, I walk to the middle of the field, hey, good luck next week. Whoever y'all play against the commander's man, you're a hell of a player. That's what I do. I'm not going to let Saquon beat me. And I'll be damned if they didn't let Saquon beat him. You have to remember, right?

We got Lane Johnson. You got Lane Johnson. We got Lane across the board. They average as far as weight goes, but the Rams offensive line is undersized. They're undersized.

They tried. They had some moments where they were able to contain Saquon, but at some point, when you keep chopping that wood, at some point, it's going to break. At some point, it's going to crack. And that's exactly what happened due to them being so undersized up front. Even if you stack a nine in the box, you know, once they come off the ball, they bully them boys up front.

They definitely did that. They bullied them boys up front. And definitely did that. They bullied them boys up front. And it takes so much pressure off Jalen. It takes so much pressure off Jalen Hurst, too. It takes so much pressure off him because he don't have to do much because Saquon is carrying the load. Same situation over there in Baltimore. Put the ball in your bell cow's hands and let them take the game over for you.

But Philly never got away from that. put the ball in your bell cow's hands and let them take the game over for you. But, but Philly never got away from that. Yeah, they did. They did. That's the problem. Ocho Baltimore got away from it for a quarter. Why?

And you look at some plays they had, uh, uh, Saquon got stopped but you let him get that hole and he stepped to the side peace to Bob

you know what's so funny he take them small steps when he running and faster than every damn body and never get close to the line the thing is he's quick the it's faster than every damn body and never get close to the ground. The thing is, he's quick. The thing is,

he has great balance. If you look at the crossover, his step, like, they give him the ball and he steps outside and when he sees a crease, he gone. He hit it.

He hit it. He hit another gift. He stepped on it, man. Yeah. The first one that he stepped on it, gone. The 78 yarder, Ocho, first one that he stepped on it. Gone. The 78 yard

of Ocho, he's like, out of there. And that was just a, Ocho, that wasn't a toss. That was just a handoff. Handoff, yeah. And then he crosses over. Boom. And he exploded. A pair of fumbles on back-to-back drives set the Rams back

significantly. The Matthew Stafford had L.A. in the red zone. I thought L.A. was going to do it because Puka Nakua made a heck of a catch over Slay, or Darius Slay, with a chance, and then on fourth down. But, Ocho, I'm looking at there was some miscommunication with the center and the right guard because on back-to-back plays, you turn Jalen Carter. I don't know. I'm not going away from him. Yeah. I'm not going away from him. Yeah.

I'm not going away from him. The center looked right, and the guard slid to the right, and then he went to the left and then tried to come back. And by the time he came back, he was sacking Stafford. I'm like, young boy. I'm like, bro, why would you do that? Do what? Listen, hey, y'all handle that over there.

I got to worry about this one yeah this is the one i gotta work he's the one and they did he did it again on fourth down down i'm trying to figure out like bro i'm not listen on a defense on show yeah if you got reggie white if you got bruce you got lt i respect everybody on the offensive line defensive line because you're in the league. But I'm not... It's like AD. Why would you double someone else other than Aaron Donald?

Why would you double someone else other than J.J. Watt? Why? That's Jalen Carter. He's the most disrupted right now. And I said this, if he ever got in shape, because I saw him in college,

not his last year, last year he was bulljiving, but when he hungry and motivated, and I think he's motivated now because he's an all-pro, he's a Pro Bowl player, Ocho. If in the next three years, he's not a defensive player

of the year, I ain't talking about a candidate. I'm saying a defensive player of the year. What they call his name, defensive player of the year, is Jalen Carter, he should be disappointed. That's the accountability this young man has. He's explosive. He can play the run. He's disruptive.

He can pressure your quarterback. He punched the ball out because he did a great, hey, one hand and punched the ball out of Kyron Williams' hand. Yeah, man. He has all the tools. Now, he should be thinking, man, I'm thinking Hall of Fame.

I'm thinking, hey, they need to start getting me ready for a size 52, a 54 jacket. He has that kind of ability. Does he know it though? Now, if he can channel all that and understand how great he is or how good he is now,

it's all about him understanding what you can see watching from home. We can see the greatness in him. Oh, he's special. He got to understand it and funnel all that energy into his craft. He can be one of the best to ever do it. He showed up so

quick off the ball, Locho, for a man his size. Man his size ain't supposed to be that kind of explosive. His first step is not supposed to be that fast. And he's powerful. I don't know if he's weight room strong, Ocho. I don't know if he can bench 500 pounds and squat all that.

But I'm talking about football strength. To take a man, I said, that's the way you could tell somebody, can you move a man against his will? Against his will, yeah. I knew you were going to say that. Can you move him against his will? When he said, man, I ain't going nowhere. The hell you say?

Get off this plot of land. When I think about it, I got three defensive tackles, right? Three defensive tackles that were not only weight room strong, but on the field it showed up as well. And then their first step, quick as hell. Now, watching Jalen Carter, he's one that's been able to do it. Aaron Donald, weight room strong. Oh, watching Jalen Carter, he's one that's been able to do it. Aaron Donald, way room strong.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, his quickness. A technical savage. Yes. With a quick step. I got two more for you, though. Who do you got?

Remember Big Sam Adams? Oh, yeah. I played with him. Man, Big Sam had one of the quickest first steps, man, to be that size, but also weight room strong. And the one that played the cake, the only man I've ever seen put 45s on the bench bar

to where it's no room left and you can't put them on there with the quickest first step as well, that goddamn Vince Woolfolk, man. What? And then he up under the bench talking holding the conversation and with all the place the bar bending wow weren't even straight no more he got all the

45s on the I don't even know how much it was having people in the chat if you know if you lift weights you can tell me please tell me how much we have all the 45s on the bench bar where you can't put no more on there. He holding the conversation with me. We in the weight room. He talking to me and slow.

I'm not talking about bringing it down and coming back up right away. I'm talking about slow. What the hell you beat? What? Man, I love, hey, watching him, you know, obviously, uh, uh, watching Jalen Carter, like I said,

I was disappointed in him because I thought he bulljacked his last year. Right. You know, he's going to be a top pick. Uh, the Eagles got a bargain.

The Eagles should have never been able to get him at 10, but he had some, he had some issues. He had some red flags, got a couple of, you know, some trouble with the law

and speeding and the situation. Yeah. Got himself into some trouble. Um, and speeding and the situation. He got himself into some trouble, but he supposed to have been the number one overall pick. That's how good he is. That's how good he is. That's the kind of ability that he has. And I

think now he's starting to learn it. Hopefully, Fletcher Cox, who was there and retired, hopefully he got an opportunity to talk to him and say, son, you can be, look, you got Reggie White's potential. Everybody know what Reggie, the minister of defense, everybody know what Reggie was. Reggie brought it.

Every game, every play, whether he was in Philly, he was in Green Bay, he retired, came back for his last year, played one year in Carolina. People don't realize that Reg year played one year in Carolina people don't realize that Reggie played a year in Carolina because he you know he had at that point

time I think he had retired him and his wife Sarah had got a place on Lake Norman man Jalen Carter

this Eagles team is going to be hey everybody thought they was going to be going to Detroit it's like no we got the NFC

we got the NFC championship game on our field and we got a team it's going to be a great game it's going to be going to Detroit. It's like, no, we got the NFC Championship game on our field. And it's going to be a great game. It's going to be a great game because both games were close. Both games were close, Ocho. They won by eight on their field.

And then Washington ended up winning in that last sudden death. Wasn't overtime, but they ended up winning on the last second when he threw that touchdown pass in like four or five seconds. And the thing with Washington is because of their quarterback Ocho, they believe they got a chance. Because look how many games that they've won on the last possession, the last throw of the game. So, we don't believe we're out

of any game as long as we got that guy. Yeah. It's going to be a good one. I wonder what the weather is going to be like. But, you know, in guy. Yeah. It's going to be a good one. I wonder what the weather is going to be like. But, you know, in D.C. Bad. D.C.

Cold, yeah. D.C. is just as cold. Bad. Really? Just as cold. Yeah. You'll probably get, I mean, the start of the game,

look at the field high, look like, ooh, it's just going to be cold. And next thing you know, snow. Yeah. So it's probably going to be that next week,

same thing, Ocho. That probably going to be that next week. Same thing, Ocho. That comes with it. Eagles fans showed up outside the Rams team hotel today and started trash-talking the players this morning. This comes after L.A.'s Jared Burr said last week that he hates Philly and all their fans. Jalen Carter approached Burr's pregame, offering to put the championship game bonus on the line.

Burr's declined. Yeah. Listen, Burr's pregame. Auburn to put the championship game bonus on the line. Burr's declined. Yeah. Listen, Burr's might have talked his trash, but boy, he showed up today. Wait, he going to be defensive rookie of the year? He showed up today. Burr showed up today. Listen, as a team, the team didn't win. But when you talk trash like that before a game, he backed it all up.

Oh, yeah. He backed it all up with his play. He was all over the place. He was getting Jalen Hurst's hair. Hey, I like Jalen Carter. Jalen Carter said, hey, you call for this? Put your bonus up. Put your money up.

He wasn't going to do that. I was just playing. Nah, man. I was just playing. You know how I be. Yeah. You know, as a rookie, you ain't putting that money on the line. Uh-uh.

No. Uh-uh. I mean, what did they get? 77 grand for winning today? Yeah, everybody. You know, when you get to the playoffs, everybody's checking. Oh, yeah. I don't like that.

I'm taking a pay cut. Because I know my check. I know my check you get to the playoffs, everybody's checking this. Oh, yeah, yeah. I don't like that I'm taking a play cut. Because I know my check looks like it's a regular season. And y'all get me? First of all, it wasn't near this when I played. So you can just imagine when I went to that. I retired 20 years ago, so you could know the checks wasn't nowhere near this. So I definitely wouldn't have bet. Oh, I would have bet like Green Bay because they were talking that ish.

I definitely would have bet all them bums. I definitely would have bet all them for sure. Man, it's going to be a great game. I don't know who had this. Who had Washington and Philly on your bingo card in the NFC Championship? I think a lot of teams had.

They might have had Philly in it. Exactly. But not Washington. No. Everybody either had Kansas City. You had some combination. Kansas City, Buffalo. Kansas City, Baltimore.

Baltimore, Buffalo. That was the combination that you had in the AFC. Mm-hmm. So I don't think anybody's surprised that we see Buffalo and Kansas City. I think there's a lot of people in shock. Other than people like, you know,

Earthquake. Quaker's a big Washington fan. You know, there are a lot of people that are commander fans that grew that, like, man, man, I'm tired of this losing. I think somebody asked me today, man, we got a chance. I'm like, yeah, you got a chance. It's a football game. But I wasn't going to put no money on Washington. Not against Detroit.

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