Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Bengals franchise tag Tee Higgins again, 49ers trade Deebo Samuel & more!

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Bengals franchise tagging Tee Higgins for a second consecutive season, the 49ers trading Deebo Samuel to the Commanders, and much more!03:50 - Bengals add franchise tag to Tee Higgins08:30 - Ja’Marr Chase leaves a cryptic tweet15:17 - Eagles release Darius Slay27:43 - Travis Hunter playing two positions35:50 - Deebo Samuel to Commanders40:55 - Will Howard off at NFL Combine45:25 - Patrick Surtain II joins the show(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, Joe, the Bengals. Franchise tag T. Higgins for the second consecutive year. The Bengals do not want to allow Higgins to hit the free agent market and will not turn their attention to negotiating a long-term deal. Cincinnati has until July 15th to reach a new multi-year deal with Higgins or he'll make a fully guaranteed $26.2 million. Since the second time he will get tagged,

he will make 120% of his 2024 salary, bringing him up to 26.2%. Is this a deal going to get done, or are they making sure they get something back on an eventual trade? Do you believe they're going to sign T to a long-term deal,

or are they going to try to sign him and then trade him and get compensation? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Even even at this point and understanding the value that that he will get or what his value is right now on the open market. I think the Bengals understand that. I think he understands that as well. Now, also on the right side of things, as a Bengal fan myself, true diehard Bengal fan. I would love

to see them keep the trio together. I would love to see them keep the band together. The salary cap went up, huh? I think it's like $279. Right. It's $279, but when I think about it, listen, Jamar Chase is getting ready to be the highest paid and reset the quarterback market as far as contractually. So I understand that. Then I'm not sure what they're going to do with Joe Burrow.

Is he going to restructure in some sort of way to make wiggle room not only for just T. Higgins, but for Trey Henderson, for other needs that need to be met. He see the market. He got 17 and a half sacks for the last two seasons.

Yeah. You ain't got to tell me. I know. I know. So boom. What's going to happen what's more important where are the needs that need to be met for us as a team I know fans want to say bring tea back I love tea but I also understand what tea can get I understand its value yeah on the open market now obviously the franchise tag you did it what you did it to me one year now when you do it to me one year basically you telling me you do it to me one year, basically, you're telling me,

listen, we don't really see the value in you, and give me a contract long-term. So what we're going to do is we're going to tag you. That means they're betting against you. They're betting against you. Because if you thought I was what I – if you think of me what I think of me, you give me the deal. I mean, it wouldn't have been no questions asked.

The deal would have got done last year. And now, double back come this year again. T. Higgins, great year. Big game. Stepped up. Yeah, he only played 12. I think he only played 12 games on show. But he still had 10 touchdowns. He averaged like 75

yards a game receiving. So if you extrapolate that over the full 17 games, we know what type of season he would have had, even with Chase doing what he did. And that's the problem that you run into. When you keep pushing the cans down the road, okay, you kick Jamar Chase's can down the road.

He gets the triple crown. Okay, you wouldn't do anything with Hendrickson. Now he led the league in sacks back-to-back season, which he's had 17 and a half. Okay, you franchise tag T. Higgins. Now he follows that up, and he's like, y'all got to pay me because I see Jalen Waddell, with years left on his contract, got 28. Y'all mean to tell me I'm at the end of my contract and y'all think

franchising me at 26 is good. No, I need guaranteed money. I need like 75 million fully guaranteed the first year. Right now we can talk. I'm curious. No, normally most of the time teams use the franchise tag to their advantage not only does

the locker play up but when you do it for a second year i'm trying to buy myself some time i'm betting against you i'm betting that you won't have another year like that because what good is it if he has another year like that maybe you want to sue boat and say well we got a super lot of we can let him go right that's because at some point in time if you're drafting the type of player that you believe you are you're gonna you're not gonna be able to keep them all with you right it's just it's just it's impractical you're not gonna be able to keep chase at 40 you're not gonna keep joe at 55 you're not gonna be hendrickson he wants 30 t higgins wants 30. Excuse me. You're good. You're good.

At that number. Now, they got a little bit more cap space. They waived Alex Kappa, the guard. I guess he had a bad year. I mean, looking at it, he gave up most sacks, most pressures, most hurries. So it was pretty bad. Jamar Chase posted this cryptic tweet of Joe Burrow on Instagram. What?

At T. Higgins, if you can see it on your screen, he's like, again? Listen, even the players, as fans, fans, and Bengal fans, they always come to, they don't understand the difference in how the players feel

from the business side of things as opposed to how the fans feel. The fans think, oh, it's so easy. The cap is going up. They're going to sign everybody. Listen, if you look at the reactions, you look at the reactions from T, you look at the reactions from Jamar Chase, it tells you that things aren't as sweet as you think on the outside looking in

regardless to how the cap numbers have gone up. Because you have to think, the Bengals have a franchise to run. They're thinking about the foreseeable future when it comes to their books. I want long-term guaranteed money.

Yeah. Well, listen, they got until July to get it done. They got until July to get it done. Now, me, as much as I want T to stay, I love T. I love my Bengals. I love the organization. Matter of stay, I love T. I love my Bengals. I love the organization. Matter of fact, I love the fans that argue with me back and forth.

Zim who they? I know you're probably going to see this. I love you too. And everybody else. But I just don't see it happening based on what T is deserving of. And what Chase is going to be. Chase is going north of 40. Oh, he is. He's reset the market, huh. Chase is going north of 40.

Oh, he is. He's reset the market, huh? He's going north of 40. He's reset the market for the simple fact you made me wait. You dragged me. Chase said, I'll tell you what. Y'all like that 26.2? Give me that in guaranteed money. Give me 80 million fully guaranteed.

And then y'all can put it however you want to. But I need to make 80 million. I need to make 80 million in the first three years, though, Joe. Yeah, we good. I need to make 80 million. Give me $80 million signing bonus. And then I'll play. The first year, I'll play for like 1.2.

Then I'll play for 5 million. And the next year, I'll play for 10. Since y'all say 26 million, everybody talk. Okay, just go ahead and give me that. Yeah, and give me a nice lump sum and a signing bonus too now. Give me 70 million signing bonus. Give me some security now. I need my nest egg in case something happens, just in case.

Because I ain't going to the Lord's 11. Well, hey, if I'm chasing, y'all made me take this $10 million insurance policy, I'm going to factor that in when y'all negotiate. So y'all going to give me that back on top if I have to take out another at some point in time. Hey, listen. The game is the game, Monk. This is the football. And this is why i wouldn't want

why i wouldn't want to be owner i wouldn't want to be a gym i wouldn't want to be in a position of katie blackburn mike brown troy blackburn in a situation like this with a team this great where players this great and it's time to pay i just you have to be ahead of the curve do you believe t higgins let me ask you a question do you believe chase in the next three to five years will not be a top three receiver if you don't if you believe he'll be a top three receiver you signed him last year because you're paying him based on what you believe he's going to do moving forward not what he's done in the past because I've already paid you for that. So if I give you $35, $36 million, that's because I believe you're going to be a top three receiver.

And in two years, this money will be obsolete. Now I got you for another two years, Ocho, at $36 million. When they go and race, it's going to probably be $42, $43 million. See? That's what you have to do. You have to, like, a lot of times,

Ocho, you have to buy something like, man, look here. What people, if you were doing investments, people buy gold. People buy commodities based on belief they're going to go higher.

So at this price, although it seems steep, I buy for a little. When it moves up, now I got it. And that's how you have to look at these players. Michael Park, do you – okay, you saw Michael was defensive rookie of the year, and he's been in the defensive player of the year discussion. Why we wait until this man get all the way to the end of his contract

before we think about doing a good a long-term deal all you did was let the price going up yesterday's price is not today's price it death is definitely not it definitely and I listen I want I want to get I want to work things out but I also understand how the other side of things work. Everybody yelling about the cap, the cap going up, the cap being hot. Have the Bengals ever been on the way up to the cap? So let's start there. You know, we screaming, oh, the cap is going, it's this, it's that.

I mean, listen, this is still a business that has to be run. This ain't Madden. You see what Howard Roseman does? You see what he did with Devontae? You see what he did with AJ? You see what he did with Hurts? Got him early. And what he did

is that he's like, okay, Saquon, we'll give you this. If you get these incentives, not only will you get them for this year it'll automatically go on to your contract next year so that 1.5 1.750 me so now saquon's gonna make almost 14 million dollars here's those numbers next year guess what that third year of the contract now there's a chance he goes out and has another year i'm'm not saying he's going to go for 2000, but has another good year. How we might say, you know what, to keep that cap number down,

let's go ahead and get a couple of more years to it. Give you. Nice signing bonus. That's, that's how you have to do it. You have to have some forward thinking. Cause if you wait till like, I don't know, I don't know. By the time you realize the guy's good, it's going to be cost prohibitive for you to sign your players well listen the guys we talk about there's nothing to

realize you know what they do because the film the film don't lie they did it in college they got to the nfl and they kept on doing it they ain't missed the beat i'm talking about chase i'm not sure why you didn't pay him last year there was nothing wrong with t understanding what you got you know for the foreseeable future, we talk about two top one, one top three player, and we have another one that arguably could be in the top ten, you know, as what I like to call a 1B. I don't see T as no two.

That's just me because anywhere else on any other team, T Eagles would be at number one. But anyway, that's neither here nor there. I hope they get the job done hope they get to try it out. The Eagles are going to release six-time Pro Bowl corner, Darius Slade, after five seasons with the teams. The Eagles initially acquired Slade via trade with Detroit in the 2020, immediately signing the quarterback to a three-year extension.

Slade, 34, is coming out one of his best seasons of his career. He allowed a 42% completion rate, allowed 5.4 yards per target, had 15 pass breakups, are all his best marks since joining the Eagles. In 2024, the Eagles allowed a league-low 174 yards passing per game, the lowest by a franchise since 2000. Who was that, Tennessee? Since at least 2000. I think Tennessee.

I think they beat the Ravens that year. Because the Ravens allowed 60-something yards rushing, but I think they gave up 260 yards. Tennessee actually statistically had a better. Who was by the better... Huh? Oh, you're talking about that with the, what you call them? The Phil Eagles franchise. Oh, I thought it was talking about the lowest since 2000

by any franchise. Okay. Because I know Tennessee had pass defense in 2000. They were... They only gave up 242 yards a game. Can you see what Tennessee gave up 242 yards a game. Can you see what Tennessee gave up that year? So, Ocho, but he always said that if he didn't finish his career in Philly,

he would love to go back to Detroit. Detroit was his original team. Obviously, he had some issues with Matt Patricia, who's now the defensive coordinator at Ohio State. He goes to Philly, has a great, you know, go to two. He went to a bunch of Pro Bowls. They went to two Super Bowls. They won this past one.

So could you see him going back to Detroit? I think so. I think so. Why not? Especially with what happened from an injury standpoint to the Detroit Lions on the back half of the season. I like it. I like it.

And I'm also trying to think about, oh about why not run it back with as well as he played last year with the Eagles, but I can't even talk about Jeffrey Lurie and Harry Robinson. And when it comes to their decision-making Keon Mitchell, obviously they're now passing a tour. He's on one side. They pass the key, the key to Cooper Dijon.

See rookie. Oh, he read it. at see rookie he's ready to be a starter now listen honestly he played well

right he played very well but he played well based on everything else going on around him is he actually ready

after his rookie season despite them winning the Super Bowl to be in that in that spot like that on everything else going on around him. Is he actually ready after his rookie season, despite them winning the Super Bowl, to be in that spot like that where you got to see the number one receiver? At times, you have to see maybe the number two receiver. Is he ready for that? You can't keep everybody, Ocho. I mean, what you going to do with Braun?

You going to pay him? He going to want a King's ransom. Okay, sweat. Nice, coming, coming. What about you got 2D linemen that could potentially leave? pay him, he's going to want a King's ransom. Okay. Sweat. What about you got 2D linemen that could potentially leave? You got Jalen Carter coming up now. Hey, he's going to want a King's ransom. Hey, and well-deserved.

He's going to be coming down the pipeline, Ojo. He's going to want a King's ransom. Hey. No. I understand, you know, the chat saying they're going to keep DeJounte at a nickel. Yeah, they're going to put him at corner,Juan at a nickel yeah they gonna put him at corner and then and guess what they gonna start him at corner and then when they go three six

he gonna bump inside the nickel but then who gonna be the other corner hey listen playing on the outside and playing a nickel but that's a different ball game baby that's a different ball game they found out that he's really good at the nickel.

And so guess what? They put him inside. They'll put him inside the situation and they'll bring somebody else. It'll be the same. You remember how, what's the guy's name, Ocho? He ended up going to Tennessee. He ended up going to Tennessee from the Kansas City. The DB.

Oh, Ladarius. Yep. Ladarius Sneed. What did they do? They drafted a corner. Sneed was really good. They put him inside. What did they do after the season?

They ended up signing, trading him, and now you got Watson and you got McDuffie. See, y'all just look at some fans y'all gotta stop looking that's not how teams look at it they draft the guy at corner okay damn and they got a slave getting a little older at 34 years of age that's a little old for a corner but he played extremely well now maybe maybe it's a situation that you know they come back i'm i would go test the market. Now, if I couldn't find something suitable,

if I got to play for $3 million, I'll play for $3 million in Philly. I ain't going to play for $3 million because I know we're going to win. But at least let me go kick the tires somewhere else because somebody else might have some money for me, Ocho. Hey, that's T. That's T, Unc. Do you understand And I mean no disrespect to my fans in Cincinnati

I love you every last one of you Do you understand what T's gonna make if he get on the open market Unc, come on man He deserving of that He work too hard, you hear me Think about the sacrifices you just told me about That you went through to even touch the field What you think He got a story, all of us got a story On how we got there Think about the sacrifices you just told me about that you went through to even touch the field.

What do you think? He got a story. All of us got a story on how we got there. We want that sense of security. Allow him to see because you didn't believe in him the year before. You know what? I want you to prove it to him. We're going to tag you.

We're going to tag you because we don't value giving you a long-term contract. We don't because if you did value me and you thought of what you think of how I think about myself as a player and as a receiver, there would have been no issue paying me. Now you tag me again two years in a row. What does that tell me? But see, Ocho, that's the Players Association. You agreed to that. Well, listen, you have to understand when it comes to the franchise tag, you got 2,100 some players. Stay with me real quick Now, chat, y'all stay with me real quick. You got 2,100, 20, maybe 2,200 players. When it comes to the franchise tag, we talk about it only happens maybe to six, eight players. Six, eight. No more than eight.

No more than eight. Now, actually going in to fight for something for such a small percentage of players that is required, that's where it's used year in and year out, do you really want to fight for something like that? Because sometimes it's that advantage for the players and for the team as well, sometimes buying you a little bit more time so we can get a deal done. Now, in this case, when it comes to T,

I don't like the way they're taking advantage of him. Because if you wanted to ban him, you would have done it the first time. Listen, don't do it to me again. But that's where you have to be unselfish. Because a lot of times, for the very reason, I remember when they first started talking about lifetime benefits, there were a lot of prominent guys, and I'm not going to call their name, give me a million dollars, and I'll buy my own health insurance.

How'd that work out for them? The same thing you just said. There are so few guys that say, man, I'm never going to get the franchise tag until they get the franchise tag. Right. And now look at you.

At some point, Kurt Flood, he never benefited from free agency. He basically lost his career. So everybody else got free agency. He basically lost his career. So everybody else got free agency. Spencer Haywood. Right.

Sometimes you have to sacrifice. There are a lot of people that sacrifice for the greater good, even though they weren't there to reap the benefits. A Dr. King, a Malcolm X, so many other freedom fighters. A lot of people sacrificed that didn't get the benefit of the sacrifice. That's what sacrifice means. I like that. I like the way you put that.

I like the way you put that. So now, okay, I tell you what, y'all want two franchise tags? We want lifetime health benefits. Yep. Or you get one franchise tag, but you can't franchise me again. I already gave you a bigger concession. Now you get a bigger piece of the pie, owners. I got to close something back.

Right, right. Lifetime health benefits. Well, we got to do away with the franchise tag. Yes. One or the other. And even if we don't get lifetime, I need at least 10, 15 years. What is, Ocho, if the average NFL career is three years? So the average NFL player coming in at 22, 23.

So that means a vested player with three years, he's done at 25, 26. Ocho, he gets five years of health benefits at 31. He's done. Hopefully, the average life expectancy if someone is like 75 years, so he got another 40-plus years. But guys don't think like that, Ocho. That money coming in so good, and you're like, hey, I'm going to be able. But when you don't have money coming in and you have it going out and you get if you get a serious injury you get a form of cancer

you get a treatment it'll wipe your savings out just like that make you just like that and with the price the surgeries and the price of the medicine some medicine costing you 20 and,000 $15,000 $20,000 a month especially now especially now hey oh my god just yes huh did you have how much you say some of some of them is like 10 15 20,000 a month some of them cancer drugs jesus my goodness i mean look at i mean insulin look at insulin what's the insulin cost you Some of them cancer drugs? Jesus. My goodness. I mean, look at insulin. Look at insulin.

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Let's take a listen to what Trav had to say. What's more difficult for you doing football or what does it mean? Probably me, what I do in football, because it's a lot on your body. You know, Tony, he's a great player, but you got to do a do in football because it's a lot on your body you know Tony he's a great player but you got to do a lot of your football ain't that close hey listen completely different sides of the spectrum boy hey Trav I know you're gonna see this but until you can get in that cage you hear me just the batting cage I don't even want no real picture just the machine tell them to turn it up to 90 to 95

miles per hour. Let me see you hit it. Just a fastball. I ain't talking about no slider. I ain't talking about no curve. I ain't talking about no sinker. He ain't talking about no change-up. He ain't talking about no cut fastball. Just straight heat. The most difficult thing to do in this world

is hit a baseball coming at you. Just a fastball. That's it. Just a fastball. As difficult as a game of football is. And I love you. You're an exceptional talent. Yes. But it's not even comparable. But if you think

about it, we can only... Ocho. Man. We can only track two players in Major league history The I have actually know to play baseball pitch and hit Oh Babe Ruth and we talk about Shohei Ohtani. Yes, sir Troy Bryant we saw Troy which I'll Troy Brown do that with the Patriots. Oh, yeah, I feel the defense. Yeah

Brian Jordan did it. Time did it. Do you see the level? Shohei Otani is the best player in baseball. That's different. He could be a number one starter for your pitching staff. And he's the best hitter in baseball. He can hit for average, hit for power. He can run the base.

Trav, I love you, bro, but the hardest thing to do, and I've talked to a lot of guys that did, but I talked to Bo. Yeah. Bo said the hardest thing to do is hit a baseball. I talked to Time. Now, we're talking about two of the greatest athletes to have ever played. You

name a sport, Bo and Time are two of the top five. Okay, if you want Jim Thorpe or whomever else you want to put into this equation, but I tell you this, Bo Jackson and Time are two, are the top five athletes that we've ever seen. Yeah. And both of those guys told me, say,

hitting the baseball is the hardest thing to do. Very difficult. Very difficult. Very, very difficult. And to do. Very difficult. Very difficult. Very, very difficult. And to do it at that level? Now, we're going to see you, Trav, come in. Now, Ocho, we've seen Shelly Ohtani at the highest level do it. Yeah.

And be an all-star and be an MVP. Now, Trav, you're going to have to get one of them all-stars. You're going to have to get to the Pro Bowl now to match this. There's a chance he could do it. There's a chance he could do it as rookie year. For sure. Listen, the last rookie, the last – As a DB or a wide receiver?

Last wide receiver I heard come out with this kind of confidence and say some of the things he's saying and live up to everything he's saying was Jamar Chase. chase you know it wasn't outlandish or something like this but i'm just saying confidence the confidence that travis hunter has with hell jamar chase said i'm coming into the league and i've got drafted by the bangles and we're coming out and i'm breaking every every record he lie and he ain't. He stood on business about everything he said and meant it. And Travis Hunter had that same type of cachet and same

type of confidence. That's why I believe there's a chance he can do it. He can do it. I'm not saying that he can't do both. He's not going to put the number of plays in that he did in college. That's difficult. He'd not going to put the number of plays in that he did in college.

That's difficult. He'd have to have the condition of a 15,000... I'm trying to think what's the longest distance race at the Olympics. And the kind of... The marathon. Yeah. The kind of win

and lung capacity you need to do something like that at that extreme level, that's too much. Yeah. I'm just thinking about exerting that kind of energy, messing around with Ike Taylor and being tired. I'm thinking about a 12, 13-play drive.

Yeah. And now we kick a field goal. Now we come back. Now I'm thinking about a 12, 13-play drive. Yeah. And now we kick a field goal. Now we come back. Now I'm on defense. Man, man, stop. It's different. And he's going to find out there are guys that are closer to his skill set than he previously thought.

That's the thing about the NFL, Ocho. You find guys that are closer to his skill set than he previously thought that's the thing about the nfl locho you find guys that hold on man i used to be able to do this i get back wait a minute damn why are you still here yeah at that point the only thing that separates you is your technique yeah only thing it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting Yeah. Only thing. It's going to be, it's going to be interesting to see because you know, even no matter who you think is not a really good receiver. Right. They were probably better than the receiver that he went against.

That's the thing about it. People don't realize like how good the guy, do you say that's a bum or you don't think he's good people don't realize how good they actually are joe all right yeah yeah look who they playing against they play against guys that make them look like that right it's just like those guys that you see ah that guy on the bench you don't never get in the game okay go down to the wire and play one-on-one and watch what he do to you. Go to Lifetime and watch what he do to you.

Put you in a blender. Put you in a blender. People don't realize like pros, like guys that get paid to do this. Man, please. You underestimate the jokers, you don't you can't do that just because because the the level i mean you look at a lebron and a guy might be the 13th and 14th guy you like but

that guy yeah and this is what i was telling somebody the guy that you think is the 13th of the 14th guy on the bench that guy is closer to lebron than you are to the 13th or the 14th guy on the bench, that guy is closer to LeBron than you are to the 13th or the 14th guy on the bench. Think about what I just said, Ocho. The 13th or 14th guy on the bench is closer to LeBron than what the guy sitting at home talking ish is to the 13th, 14th guy on the bench. I got you.

I got you. Simply because the guy, the fact that he's on the bench I mean we'll leave it at that he's actually oh thank oh god he on the beach okay okay that lets you but I'll make you see look I said this I thought DB because I think he's more sound as a DB than he is as a wide receiver. I think he out-athletic, his athleticism,

and gets him by on a lot of stuff. Now, not to say that he can't fine-tune and get some nuances of the receiver, but I think right now you can just drop him in right now, Ocho, at DB, and he understands, having been coached by time, I think he has a great – his timing, his ball skills are really, really good. And for him to be, like, long-legged, he can transition really well. He can get in and out of breaks really well.

He tracks the ball exceptional. Great hands. You know he got great hands, Ocho, because he's a wide receiver. So you know he got great hands. And for him, it's just not good enough for him to knock the ball exceptional great hands you know you got great hands on your cousin he's a wide receiver so you know he got great hands and for him it's just not good enough for him to knock the ball down he's trying to take the ball away and take it and go the other way with it at that to the other way dance uh the big news of the weekend ocho the 49ers have dealt debo samuels to the commanders in exchange for a fifth round pick as a part of the trade, Washington is taking on the remainder of Samuels' contract, paying his full $17.55 million salary in 2025

due to the Commanders not having the most dangerous offensive core. They have Jay Daines, their quarterback, who was offensive rookie of the year, Brian Robinson, Jr., running back, scary Terry McLaurin. They have Debo Samuels and Zach Ert. offensive rookie of the year, Brian Robinson Jr., running back, scary Terry McLaurin. They have Debo Samuels and Zach Ert. They also have a Diome Brown. Diome Brown. Yeah.

Listen, they've improved. They've improved tremendously. I mean, hell, they were in the NFC Championship. Huh? Yeah. They were in the NFC Championship last year, and then you bring a dynamic playmaker like Debo Samuels over to your offense again, and what does it do for your quarterback? It takes pressure off your quarterback again, even more pressure.

I don't have to do more. What do you mean? We got Debo Samuels. You know how many things he can do? He's a little Swiss Army knife. He can play in the side. He can go outside. You can put him in motion.

You can put him in the backfield. You can do so much with him. You know, so as long as the creativity is there. I'm not sure who the offensive coordinator is. Cliff Kingsbury. Oh, it's Cliff? Oh, man. Oh, man, they straight.

They straight. Listen, Klingberry ain't no different than McVay. Klingberry ain't no different than Andy Reid. I'm just saying from a creative standpoint and knowing what to do and using your players to their strengths. So they're going to be fine. Oh, they're definitely going to be fine. I mean, but what the 49ers going to do?

Now they're talking about trading Brandon Ayuk too. 17.5 17 million. So they traded the fifth round for him and the Cowboys traded the fourth round for Mingo. Oh my bad. What'd you think of Ocho? Jerry Jones no they do not have Ocho

do the commanders have the most dangerous no did they no did Saquon retire? no they still got AJ they still got Devontae. And they still got Goddard. No.

They don't have the most danger. But, hey, they improved tremendously. I'll tell you that. For sure. They improved tremendously. A lot. Are they better than Detroit? Ooh, that's a good one.

With Armond Roth? Wait, hold on. With Jameson Williams, Armond Roth, St. Brown, and LaPierre? I don't know. And Gibbs? And Montgomery? Yeah, and Montgomery. Are we sure?

No. No. No. Hey, that's crazy. You throw Minnesota in there. Addison, Jetta, Jones, Hawkinson. Minnesota. Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Green Bay. Wicks, Reed, Dobbs, Watson. Oh, check this out. John Jacobs. Debo Samuel, Terry McLaurin, Marshawn Lattimore has a $61 million cap hit. Jalen Hurts, A.J. Brown, Devontae Smith, Saquon Barkley, Dallas Gardner has a $66 million cap hit.

How we teed off. How we work some magic. Hey, listen. You know who need to work some magic? Who? America's team. They ain know who need to work some magic? Who? America's team. They ain't got none to work. And they about to,

they said, the reports are they about to franchise a Digizua. So that's going to be $25 million. Hard cap, you can't spread it. Dak is about to be, what, $90 million against the cap? CD? You haven't even signed, you can't spread it. Dak is about to be, what, 90 million against the cap? CD? You haven't even signed Micah.

To give them a little breathing room, they'll restructure Dak. They give him a lump sum on the front end and a signing bonus. They'll free him up some of that cap. That's their fault. They wanted to wait until the last minute to do that. They do.

They did that. That's what they always do. That's why you wait until the last minute. Now you got a franchise of Dickie Dua. Now, if you don't sign him, guess what? He gone. Yeah. But you messed your cap up.

You got to have some foresight in order to see, like, you know what? This guy's a player for it. I know, hey, go to him, sign him a little early, and then a year from now, you're like, damn, they got him for that? Yeah. Ocho, Will Howard has had an off combine. He's one of the quarterbacks that opted to throw at the NFL scouting combine over the weekend,

and his performance brought mixed reviews and was deemed inconsistent. He missed multiple passes, including a couple of deep balls down the field. Shador came to his defense. I don't understand why y'all hating on Will Howard. He just wasn't a natty. It's hard to throw to a receiver that you don't know.

Everyone runs routes differently. hating on Will Howard. He just wasn't a natty. It's hard to throw to receivers that you don't know. Everyone runs routes differently. And y'all want QBs to come to the combine and throw. I mean, listen. We talk about quarterbacks that just coming off seasons, we could turn on the film.

What are you judging someone in shirts and shorts? It does nothing. Everybody looks great. All- someone in shirts and shorts it does nothing everybody looks great all-american in shirts and shorts what do you do once you put the helmet and shoulder pads on and your cleats how do you perform then how did will howard perform then what are you doing there my smith yep come on man what do we. What are we talking about? Oh, I want to make sure you look good. I want to make sure you pass the eye test in your shorts and you hit every receiver that you never thrown to before

and complete every pass. Get out of here, please. Yeah, it's tough. I mean, sometimes you get nervous. Sometimes I – man, I ain't used to run. Man, first of all, I used to have my ankles taped. I ain't have no ankles taped. Man, bad.

Bad Ochoa. I mean, I had never been on turf before in my life. Right. Like it is what it is. Somebody going to give me a chance. Yeah. That's it. I was like, I sure hope somebody that give me a chance. Yeah. That's it. I sure hope somebody that take me

they don't play on turf. You know who I thought was gonna take me, Ocho? The team that I had the most contact with? Who I talked to the most? Who that? Cincinnati Bengals. Hey, you could have been over there with your boy, huh?

I figured Cincinnati, Seattle, because they had called and asked where I was going to be. Cincinnati, Seattle, who else? I didn't hear from Denver. Maybe the Patriots, because their guy

came several times and worked me out. Yeah. Oh, Philly. Philly. I talked to Buddy Ryan, rest his soul. I talked to him a lot. So I was like, I just knew. I say Philly, Cincinnati, or Seattle.

I was like, damn, Seattle player. I say Cincinnati play on turf. Seattle play on turf. And Philly play on turf. Because, you know, the vet was terrible. Right. The vet was, every year was voted worst field condition. Yes.

Seattle was on turf because they played back then. Ocho, they played in the Kingdome. Yeah. I don't know if you remember the Kingdome. And then Cincinnati. Like, man, Cincinnati don't win ish, though. That's not necessary.

And then, lo and behold, Bronco Country. Here you go. Here you go. Yeah, you was all right. You was all right. You was all right. You was all right. You was all right.

You was that boy. You was that boy. But, hey, bro, don't worry about that. They know what you can do. Hey, when you have your pro day and you throw it to your receivers at Ohio State, write them up. And, again, even at the pro day. Again, are they drafting you based on what you're doing at the combine?

Yes, a little bit of it comes into play. But those where you have that much film, like a Will Howard, what are you talking about? You not throwing well at the combine is why your stock is going to drop. Huh? Anybody saying that is why certain scouts don't need to be in position to make calls for certain teams. Turn on the film, man.

There's a lot of film on Will Howard and what he did at Ohio State. What are we talking about? Oh, he didn't throw well. We talk about shorts and shirt. I get it. Stop playing, man. Joining us, three-time Pro Bowler, two-time All-Pro, Defensive Player of the Year.

He's one of six. Now he's one of seven DBs to have won that award. Mel Blunt won it first. Lester Hayes, Rod Wilson, Deion Sanders, Charles Wilson, Stephon Gilmore, and now representing Bronco Country, Pat Sertan II. PS2, what it do? Yo, what's good?

What's happening? Man, bro. Bro, I'm proud, man. You represent Bronco Country extremely well, man. You're the first defensive player of the year since Randy Gratishaw, and I think 77 or 78. So it's been damn near 50 years since we've had a defensive player of the year since Randy Gratishaw, and I think 77 or 78. So it's been damn near 50 years since we've had a defensive player of the year. But I can't think of someone that's more worthy with the work that you put in.

Oh, yeah. The way you prepare. You know, hey, I get intel. The way the professionalism that what you display, how you go about your business, how you try to get better and better every day, the attention to detail that you put in, man, I want to take my hat off and say congratulations.

And I'm proud you're a Bronco, bro. Yeah. Yeah. You know, but you know, I've been watching you since high school, but man, I've obviously haven't, you know, having the battles with your pops, man, we was in a league that they're now watching you dominate at the position and being the number one defensive back in the league.

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so you'll stop freezing up on us. Nah, this Wi-Fi tripping, man. P, where you at? Wi-Fi? You at the crib? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.

What's wrong with the Wi-Fi? Nah. Yeah, I'm not doing that. But what Ocho was asking you is that what's your mindset when you go into a game and you know you're going to have to travel, you've got a lot of frequent flyers, Miles, because you go left, right, sometimes you jump in the slot, but mainly you're outside, but you're taking the opposing team's best receiver. What is your mindset? How do you get locked in on a given Sunday? Yeah, I think it all starts with preparation, knowing your opponent,

knowing who you're going up against, you know, because the NFL each and every week, you know, you're going up against a top, top line receiver each and every week. So, you know, you got to have that mindset going in. Like you're going to win every rep at the end of the day. So, you know, every time I go and play every Sunday, I look at it as a blessing because, you know, I get to go up against the best, you know every time I go and play every Sunday I look at it as a blessing because you know I get to go up against the best you know and perform at a high level so hey growing up listen did you always know you wanted did you always know you wanted to follow in your father's footsteps as a cornerback or was there another position you wanted to play

or was it always defensive back no I wasn't always DB uh know, I've always wanted to be a running back growing up. Yeah. I mean, you know, you know, I played at PPO, PPO. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You was at PPO? Yeah, yeah. Hey, y'all be cheating out there, man. Yeah, I was I was showing out at running back, man. I always wanted to be a running back. But then, like, you know, I play offense, you know, and then when I went to DB it sort of translated naturally and I sort of got the feel for you know the instincts

you know I had the press game already so I was like I'm just going to carry it over to DB and you know the game went off from there so when people describe you the one thing they say technically sound always on balance. Who is he?

He doesn't get lazy. He doesn't get lazy with his footwork. He doesn't get lazy with his hand placement. He doesn't get lazy with his head. What are you thinking? Like, when you go up there and you're like, okay, I got X, Y, I got whoever the receiver is. When you lock in, you're like, I got this guy.

What are you thinking, P.S.? Shoot, first thing, I'm thinking of being sound. Okay. You know, like you said, technically sound. Like, it starts with my eyes, you know, making sure my eyes are at the right spot. You know, not guessing. You know, being sound with that. You know, making sure my feet match the receiver's feet at the end of the day, you know,

the receivers, you know, Chad, y'all get in there on a break, Danny, you know, y'all, y'all so quick. So we got to react. And that's the main, making sure I'm able to react, you know, a couple of seconds, you know, later with the receiver's timing at the end of the day. So, you know, I make sure I'm sound at that and hand placement is right. You know, when I'm pressing, you know, feet align with my eyes at the end of the day so you know i make sure i'm that and hand placement is right you know when i'm pressing you know feet align with my eyes at the end of the day so you know that's the main thing right

one thing let me ask this let me get this go ahead i got a good one are you a pattern read guy or you a down and distance guy because i mean i'm looking at guys how guys play me i'm looking at down and distance how they play i'm looking at when we're in a certain formation, how they play. So are you a pattern read guy or you're a down and distance guy? I think that's a good question. I think it ties in both ways. I think like when you

realize down and distance, right, like you realize what patterns about to come, like you know, like if it's third and short, you know, you fall by one backside, you like you know like if it's third and short you know you you fall by one backside you you you expect us you know you know i mean so like when you when you when you're tying those little things you know you understand the game like i i read like two by two sets and be like okay two out to the flat no one got the end breaker you know i mean it's just like

route concepts have different levels to it. When you're a DB and you look at it firsthand, but it comes with experience. I want to say when I was a rookie, I knew that. The more and more time I had in the league and understanding offenses and how they process,

it slowed the game down for me for sure. I think when you go in each and every week and you got the right film preparation, I think all that ties in together. Yeah. Hey, this is what I want to ask you, too, because I had a lot of freedom to be able to do what I want to do as long as I stayed within the time of the offense. And I'm curious on the defensive side of the ball, being that you're so good, how much freedom do you have and reign to be able to do what you want to do within the defensive scheme based on the deep based on the receiver that you're playing each week now each week you play in team number one you traveling with them and every receiver is different do you

change your game a little bit and your approach to that specific player each week being that they're different and do do they allow you the freedom to do that in the secondary? I'm not sure how strict your coach is. I'm just curious. Yeah, I mean, there's definitely some freedom. You know, it depends on the call. You know, we have different variations of calls. Right.

You know, it allows you to be free. Like, man to man, like, you can switch it up, your leverage and stuff. Right. Like, when I'm playing in the defensive scheme I'm sort of like if I'm in zone I'm trying I'm more solely focused on the quarterback sometimes right you see like trying to bait the quarterback or give the quarterback this look and thinking of something else at the same time but yeah you know you get a lot of lead way out there you know but it's all about you know playing confident you know it all starts with your confidence and your ability at the end of the day.

So, I think with our defensive scheme, you know, Vance Joseph, he allows us to, you know, excel in our skill set. You know what I mean? Play free. I'm looking at you and, like, you play a DK Metcalf or a Mike Evans, those are more big-body receivers that want to get physical. You play a smaller receiver that's quick. Now, I don't know if people know this, you're a rangy guy.

I mean, you got long arms. I mean, you're 6'2". You're a legit 6'2 1⁄2". I ain't no well with shoes on. You're a legit 6'2 1⁄2". So when you go up against, say, a DK Metcalf on one's play, and now you got Jackson Smith and Jigma, or you got Lockett on the next play.

How difficult is it for you to get it out like, okay, this guy's more physical. Okay, I know I got to be able to be strong at my initial point versus a guy that got fast twitch that's looking to get up out of there in a hurry. Yeah, that's the thing, man. People have this

notion on Tyler D.B. saying they can't get in and out of breaks. Obviously, they know Tyler D.B. saying, you know, they can't get in and out of breaks. You know what I mean? I mean, obviously they know Tyler D.B.'s may be physical, but that's the thing. Like, as D.B., you got to have quick feet. You know what I mean? Yes. You got to be sudden as well, too.

So when I go against bigger receivers, I'm like, okay, we match up pretty well. Like, that's my game, being physical. But, like, them quicker, smaller receivers that shift in and quick, it's like, okay, now I got to tie into my game a little bit more. Now it's not about physicality, you know. It's all about the feet, being aware, being sudden. But, you know, that just goes in, you know, towards the work in the offseason, like making sure my short area of quickness is up to par.

You know what I mean? All that ties in together because, you know, them receivers stop on a dime. Then, boy, you got to translate that, getting out the break, and finishing on the play. So I think every week has its own challenge because, you know, sometimes I go against a new receiver. I don't know any experience against them,

but a guy can be quick, and, you know, you got to just read and react at the end of the day. Yeah. Listen, for me, my toughest challenge is, you know, got to just read and react at the end of the day so yeah listen for me my tougher challenges you know during during my tenure during my career obviously you know playing within the division having to deal with the Ike Taylors the Lee Boddens uh obviously Darrell Reavers being the best DB I've ever gone against during my tenure in the league who would your top three receivers be that you feel are the most difficult to

cover? Or would give you issues? You know, I'm trying to find a way where you can give them, you know, their flowers without saying that they can beat you. You know, but there's always somebody. Yeah, you know, it's crazy because the receivers, it seems like every year, like, another receiver pops up like people had under the radar.

So it's like, I've been going through the lineage of receivers that I could see pop up year in and year out. Because I look at consistency as well too. Right, right. You know, so like Ozzy Jamal, he up there, he had a great year. You know, I was up against him. It was a good matchup between me and him. A battle then we have like davante adams yeah i mean we have good battles like i look at dudes that i battle against you know i mean right you know we have all good matchups and um let me

see i say tyreek hill oh and he's been like he he was that dude for sure. He's that dude. So, some good matchups. Pat, your dad, senior, all pro, how much time did he spend with you once you decided you're going to play DB? How much time did he spend with you? Did you guys watch film? Did he say, okay, look for this? Did he work with you on certain things? So, what's been some of the lessons that your dad, having a dad play in the NFL, play at a high level?

What's some of the things that he's taught you? Yeah, I think it's an honor, you know, being able to, you know, sort of, you know, have that, you know, person in your life that played at a high level. You know what I mean? You know, just learning from him, learning what he's seeing from the game. I'm just, you know, I'm just a'm just a sponge. I'm soaking in everything he taught me from day one. So being able to translate that to the game now, it's honestly a blessing. But I learned a lot. I mean, he just knows the game, the ins and outs of the game. I mean, he's played in the league for a long time. So being able to have that on my side with his experience,

it helps a lot. Just from when I was in the backyard just doing drills with him, now just watching film and stuff whenever he had the chance to, I think it's honestly a privilege for sure. Let me ask you this. At Alabama, Coach Saban spent a lot of time with the DBs. He was very, very hands-on, coaching eyes, eyes, this, feet, this, this, and this. Tell me about Coach Saban and his approach to coaching DBs

and some of the lessons that he taught you. Because it seemed like Coach Saban was hard. I told you to do it like this. Yeah. Yeah, that's him, man. The thing is about Saban, obviously he's very hands-on but it's with a purpose like it's with a result that comes with it today like you know the things he teach you you know you just can't hear one ear not the other you got to really lock in and

understand it because he'll come back with you and challenge you with the same question each and every day and then if you don't lock in that's's when you're like, man, I can't trust you. You know what I mean? I can't put you on that field. So I think a lot of things he says was very prevalent to what he teaches. And it was a pleasure because every once in a while you needed that. You know what I mean? You needed somebody to get on your ass and here and there. I mean, I think it was definitely a learning experience for me,

but it was well worth it, you know, being coached by the greatest college football coach to ever do it, you know, at the end of the day. So, you know, my times there, spending with him, I learned a lot. You know, it just, when I take some of the lessons that he taught me, I sort of translate to the league now, so. What were those practices like? You got Henry Ruggs. You got Devontae Smith. You got Judy.

I mean, you got Waddle. You got those guys. It's not like you're like, okay, man, let me go on over here. I'm going to take Judy. Hold on. He was the Blitnikoff Award winner. I got Devontae Smith. He caught the game winning touchdown at the National Championship game as a true freshman. He's the Heisman Trophy winner. He's the Bl-winning touchdown at the National Championship game as a true freshman.

He's the Heisman Trophy winner. He's the Belendikoff. Every award that he did that, he's like, nah, let me go on and jump on water. You got a guy that's running 4-2, boom, got you. You got a guy that runs running 4-2, got you. I mean, what was practice like? Because I know there had to be some ish talking going on, fam. For sure.

It was competitive. It was like through my college career i wasn't even like the games was the games like the games were so easy because you know you want to i was so much worried about how i'm gonna perform in practice right in the game you know i mean because like you say you got jude you got waddle then you got smitty and rugs it's like those were right there like you see in the game live in action and you're like man

any one of these boys go for like 200 three tubs you know if they want to then you got two at quarterback Mack Jones Bryce Young

Jalen Hurts and you back there like man like yeah these some dudes these some dogs yeah there's a lot of shit talking though like we had competitive periods

and like, boom, like the defense will win and, uh, offers get mad, get frustrated and save me. You know, he a defensive coach.

So, you know, we ain't practiced on a good note, you know, good speech, good practice, but boy, the offense come back the next day.

Light y'all up. Like we have a tough day through them competitive periods, then Saban, he'd be like, break it down, then boom, we would just run gasses. Just because the defense did bad, man. He hate to see the defense lose, but them practices, man, I can vividly

remember us just getting better each and every day. Them hot summer days, through them grueling days, it was well worth it because in the game, it was like a piece of cake. Boom. I know I need to line up. Like he do a release.

Boom. Oh, this is easy. Like I'm on the hill. When in practice, it's like I need to lock in, you know what I mean? So yeah, it was definitely memorable for sure. That's dope. You've had some incredible plays, bro. Obviously, I've watched the highlights numerous times,

being that I'm a huge, huge advocate for excellent DB play. You've had some incredible plays in your early career. Earlier, in your early career, in the early stage of your career, what's been your favorite moment in the NFL so far? Outside of getting drafted. stage of your career what's been your favorite moment you know in the NFL so far outside of getting drafted I know getting drafted is that you can't replicate or replace that moment but outside of that what's been your favorite moment so far shoot I think I think it just happened uh winning that deep point man oh yeah that's pretty that was a pretty surreal feeling uh I just think

you know that just ties in all the work I put into offseason, you know, and just setting my goals aside, you know, and put into fruition. I think that was my favorite moment so far. But I say, I say another thing is, that's very underrated is, you know, building relationships, you know, across the league, you know what I mean? Yeah. You know, building, building bonds that, you know, around the league around the league that you know you would you would cherish for a lifetime and uh that's one of the things that you know i've been able to get exposed to you know meeting great vets you know i mean being

around great locker rooms great presence like that i think that's very cool that's part of the nfl brotherhood but yeah i mean i know i got a lot more years to go, so I know things will keep rolling. Experience is going to keep coming. Now I'm very excited. I'm enjoying it so far. How does a young man stay hungry? You had such great accomplishments early in your career. You've been an all-pro. You've gone to the

Pro Bowl. You just won Defensive Player of the Year in your third year. What does Pat Sertan do to stay hungry? Because a lot of times when people achieve an accomplishment accomplishment you climb a mountain you're like yes but the really great ones find another summit to scale what does Pat Sertan do for an encore man I just realized at this point man you know you done everything you know, at some point, but there's always room to get better. Like, sometimes I'd be like, like on this play, like, man, I could have did something different here. Be like, boom, like, what's that next step in order for me to get there?

You know what I mean? Like, I'm still a work in progress. You know what I mean? I still haven't reached my ceiling at the end of the day. So I feel like there's more work to be done. And I feel like right now, you know what I mean, I still haven't reached my ceiling at the end of the day. So I feel like there's more work to be done. And I feel like right now, you know what I mean, people get into that. You know, I'm getting to that point where, you know, people are going to bring their A game, you know, each and every week. You know what I mean?

They want to, you know, have their best game against me, you know, have their best number against me. So I know, like, you know what I mean, I'm still hungry. You know what I mean? I'm still working. I'm still the same dude each and every week preparing the right way fundamentally and um you know making sure I keep on sharpening my toolbox so you know this offseason I'll put the work in and get better at the end of the day so you guys have a great season speaking of speaking of offseason you know I got McLeese with me too now. Line them up. Just so you know, these guys always up.

You know, we can line them up. I'm being AZ. Oh, you're playing Arizona? Yeah, I'm being AZ, man. Man, that dude, man. Hey, Pat, man, you ain't seen last year. Ocho tried to get off a dude. Man, dude shoved him under the sideline.

He put both hands in his chest. He didn't stab. Left or right. Right, left. That nigga, yes, breastplate. The man, ain't he did this right here to him? He squeezed it. I said, aw, man, get out of here. Hey, listen, what you got done,

Pat, you got to understand. I hadn't done no move like that in 12 years. The man asked you, did that happen? Nah, that ain't happen. This man. He lying? Yes. I got to see this.

Hey, wait, wait, wait. I got to see this. You don't have a chance, man. Come again? Wait, wait, wait. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Come again and press play? Say that one more time. You don't have a chance.

That's what we talking about. That's what we talking about. Bronco country. Stand up. That's what we do. Hey, Pendley, are we we gonna get you here on this one you guys made the playoff your first couple years didn't have a whole lot of success this year you seem to have found the quarterback in bo nicks who was a rookie played extremely well what are the expectations moving forward next year and beyond yeah Yeah, we got great expectations. I think this was just the start, you know what I mean,

of a long journey ahead. I mean, like you said, Bo, you know, we got a great young core, you know what I mean, and we also got some veterans as well, too. So, you know, I'm looking forward to it, man. I feel like we ended the season on a good note, but not the note that we wanted to because obviously we was, you know, going into that playoff run looking for more. But, you know, it comes with it.

But now since we know how to get there, it's all about sustaining, you know, and finishing the right way and getting to that next step. So I think that's the main goal, man, is just, you know, building the right pieces together. You know what I mean? I think with our team right now, I think we're going to bring everybody back together as we should. So I'm looking forward to it. I think we're going to even be more hungry just because, you know,

we went to the playoffs. And not only that, we got a lot more left in the tank. So, yeah, it's going to be – I'm excited. You're not satisfied. You can – Pat has merch. You can cop his merch at off-fieldshop.com. Off-fieldshop.com to cop Pat Sertan's second merchandise. Check it out.

What do you have? Beanies, hats, hoodies? What you got going on over there, Pat? Dude, shirts, hoodies, beanies, everything you need, limited edition. There it is. Your point, limited edition. Rating Defensive Player of the Year, Bronco Country. Number two, Pat Sertand II.

Congratulations. Tell your pops I said what's up. Hope you're all well with the family. Continued success, bro. And you repping Bronco Country quite well, bro. Mile high salute. All right, boy. I'm going to let y'all go. All right.

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