Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Bengals still alive, Unc rips George Pickens, Ravens rout Browns

Episode Date: January 5, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals defeating Russell Wilson and the Pittsburgh Steelers on the road in their final game of the regular season and the Bengals playoff hopes relying on a Denver Broncos loss and a Miami Dolphins loss or tie. Later, Unc goes off on Steelers WR George Pickens after a pitiful performance, Lamar Jackson surpasses 4000 passing yards as the Baltimore Ravens rout the Cleveland Browns and much more!03:13 - Show Start03:44 - Intro05:10 - Steelers v Bengals32:44 - George Pickens57:10 - Browns v Ravens(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The link is pinned at the top of the chat. February the 6th in New Orleans. Be there. We've got some big-time guests coming. You don't want to miss this, guys. Hey, let's jump right into it, Ocho. The Bengals defeated the Steelers, 1917. It was the Bengals defense. I repeat,

the much-maligned that got criticized all year, but a lot of these games lately, it's been their defense that has saved the day. Hendrickson, three and a half sacks, he's going to lead the league for the second consecutive year in sacks. Now,

the Bengals need a Broncos loss and a Dolphins loss or tie, and they make the playoffs. If the Broncos win, it does not matter what the Dolphins loss or tie, and they make the playoffs, if the Broncos win, it does not matter what the Dolphins do. If the Dolphins win, it does not matter. So they got to sit back and pray now. They've done what they were supposed to do.

We ain't got to pray. We ain't got to pray. You talk about hope. The first thing you said was we have to hope. I'm going to tell you what's going to happen. God has favor. You know, he has favor on my Bengals. If he had favor, y'all wouldn't be in this predicament.

Listen, the fact that, listen. I have to say it. You got to understand. It's not supposed to be perfect. I told you what the perfect story for the NFL would be, and it's going to play out just like that. The Chiefs are going to beat the Broncos tomorrow. Listen to me. I'm going to tell you how the Chiefs are going to beat the Broncos tomorrow. Listen to me.

I'm going to tell you how the Chiefs are going to beat the Broncos tomorrow. It doesn't matter what happened with Miami. It don't matter what happened with the Jets. Yes, it does. If the Dolphins win, you still don't make the playoffs. Hold on, hold on, hold on. It does not matter. See, see, that's what you're talking.

Wait a minute. If the Broncos lose and the Dolphins win, you are not going to the playoffs. Let me finish. Let me finish. The Dolphins are playing the Jets, correct? Yes. Aaron Rodgers is going to be Aaron Rodgers tomorrow. We're going to see the old school Aaron Rodgers.

You're hoping? You're seeing? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not hoping. I'm just saying the fact that he played bad the past two weeks, he's not going to play. He's not going to. Pull up his numbers. He's talking about the last two weeks. Pull up Aaron going to play. He's not going to. Pull up his numbers.

He's talking about the last two weeks. Pull up Aaron Rodgers' numbers. I'm going to let you go ahead and make your point. But I'm going to ask you to put these numbers up because you said he played bad the last two weeks. Okay, okay, okay. We're going to pull up his stats for the last six weeks. Okay.

Go ahead. Oh, yeah. He's been a business. No, no, no, no, no. Don't finish your thought. Go ahead. Talk about the Bengals and what's going to happen. The Jets are going to be the Dolphins, right?

It's a divisional game. The Chiefs are going to be the Broncos. I told you already. It's about the defense of the Bengals and how they're playing at the right time. They haven't played. Listen, let me finish that. We haven't played good all season. But Lou Ademomo got them boys playing some good football right now.

And this is a team that nobody wants to see in the playoffs right now. While we are peaking defensively. Offensively, this is what team that nobody wants to see in the playoffs right now while we are peaking defensively. Offensively, this is what I'm saying. Once we get into the playoffs, it's a wrap. It's curtains. I'm telling you that. And don't forget, we got a $1,000 bet on the game tomorrow. Yes, we do.

Okay. I was going to make sure. And anybody in the chat that don't believe in me, we haven't lost a game since I cried on here on nightcap and I stopped eating McDonald's. We ain't lost a game in five weeks. But you didn't have no choice because you lost the bet. You didn't stop eating McDonald's out of the kindness of your heart. You lost the bet.

I'm not going to stay. I'm not going to eat it. I'm not going to eat it no more. I'm not going to eat it no more until the Bengals. We're going to be in New Orleans. Okay. We're going to be in New Orleans. Let's go. Who they? Who they? Who they think they're going to beat them Bengals, we're going to be in New Orleans. Okay. We're going to be in New Orleans. Let's go. Who they?

Who they? Who they think they're going to beat them Bengals? Nobody. Let's go, baby. All I'm saying is I feel very, very comfortable. That's why I put $1,000 up that the Broncos were going to win that game against Kansas City. I predicted this, that when they won,

when Kansas City went to Pittsburgh and won on christmas that they were going to rest their starters uh patrick mahomes i think patrick mahomes they're going to probably rest now the offensive line i mean some of the guys you got to play some guys you got to you only got eight offensive linemen up so for the most part they've got to play but all your key contributors uh mahomes is not going to play Travis Kelsey is not going to play Chris Jones is going to make sure that Calph is healthy

McDuffie a lot of your key guys I wouldn't be surprised if like seven or eight starters are down but like I said you got to play you got to play

your offensive line because you only have eight of those guys anyway go ahead can I tell you something yes Carson Wentz was one starter from the philadelphia

philadelphia eagles carl wins knows how to win carson wins knows how to play good football andy reed as creative as he is i'm sure we're going i'm talking about we i'm sure the chiefs are going to be okay and have a competitive game against the broncos i love bo nicks i love bo nicks he's played very well all season long. But with the money on the line, what's at stake? Not only for the Chiefs, even though I know they had to buy,

I know they had to buy, but they're not going to lay down. Andy Reid is not going to allow them boys to lay down. They're going to come through for us. Aaron Rodgers, as much as we said about you, I know you're going to see this,

as much as we said about you, matter of fact, Aaron Rodgers is probably watching. I need you to come through for me tomorrow. Okay? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not what you said. You said you're going to be, Aaron Rodgers probably watching. I need you to come through for me tomorrow. Okay? No, no, no, no, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

That's not what you said. You said it's going to be the Aaron Rodgers of old. Huh? You said it's going to be the Aaron Rodgers of old. Now you need him to come through.

You know how we see Aaron Rodgers of old in spurts? In spurts. Yes. We're going to get one of them spurts tomorrow. We're going to get

one of them spurts tomorrow. I guarantee you. When we saw Aaron Rodgers play against the goddamn Jack Walls and goddamn Devontae Adams had goddamn nine for 198 or 189, something like that, that's what it's going to look like tomorrow. I guarantee you that.

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. They're one and seven in their last eight games. Arizona, they lost 31-6. He had 151 yards. Against Indy, he had 184 yards of loss. Seattle, he had 185 yards and a loss.

Miami, he did have 339, but it was in a loss. Jacksonville, they won that game. The Raiders, they lost. Last week against Buffalo, he had 112 in a loss. Jacksonville, they won that game. The Raiders, they lost. Last week against Buffalo, he had 112 in a loss. Bingo.

I mean, the Rams. The Rams. They lost against the Rams. I said the Raiders. The Rams. Listen, understand how the game of football goes. Understand how the... You see how the numbers,

they keep going up, then they go down. Then they go up, then they go down. What did he have when he played the Dolphins the first time? 330-something? They lost in overtime, 33 down. What did he have when he played the Dolphins the first time? 330-something? They lost it over time.

339. Ah, he had 339. So what you think is going to happen this week? What you think? Just the way the game flows and your understanding of the game of football, what you think is going to happen? But you know what I noticed? What?

In the game that he played really well, the temperature was like 80 degrees. Both were in Florida. One was in Jacksonville. One was in Miami. Can you tell the people at home, what was the weather like in Seattle? What was the weather like in Buffalo last week? Cold.

Oh. Can I ask you a question? What was the weather like in Seattle? Oh, it was raining. What was the weather like in Indy? Was it indoor? No, it was in New York. Indy beat them.

What was the weather like, Coach? Tell the people at home what was the weather like. It was a little windy. Okay, so what do you think the weather's going to be like tomorrow? It's going to be cold. Can I tell you something? Yeah. Aaron Rodgers played in Green Bay.

You know what it is in Green Bay in December? Yeah. It's cold. It's cold. He's going to be all right. The Aaron Rodgers that you saw in Green Bay, when did you see him show up in New York? And look like that? We see him in spurts.

We see him in small flows. Oh, shit. That's why we signed him. And then it goes away. Oh, shit. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I got to sit down.

Listen to me. He's used to playing in the cold weather, so we can't use the weather as a reading because he was phenomenal in Green Bay for years in the cold. As you get older and older, you get less tolerance. That's why a lot of people, as they get older, where do they move, Ocho?

They move to Florida. They move to Arizona. They move to California. Even though they've lived their entire life in the cold, you build up a less tolerance for the cold as you start to age. Okay. Even athletes do. Okay.

I have a question. Since you feeling so good about the Dolphins winning tomorrow, let's make another bet. Make another bet. I don't care about the Dolphins. Definitely my team. Okay. I pull for my team.

I pull for my team. Okay. The Ravens and the Broncos. Okay. Listen, I'm going to tell you one more time. I'm telling you again. Now, when we're on the show tomorrow, don't say, oh, you was right. I didn't know.

How did you know? I ain't going to say nothing. I'm telling you how it's going to go. The Chiefs are going to beat the Broncos and the Jets are going to upset the Dolphins, even though the Dolphins is my team. I'm from Miami. Born and raised out of dade county from liberty city i'm telling you i feel good about this i feel good i feel good

i feel good about my team no you don't they know what's at stake you don't uh but let's get into this game come on i love football gods i love them on. And I love when they punish bad behavior. They punish George Pickens tonight. Yeah. And I love it. Yes, sir. And I've been telling you from day one. Yeah.

I say, you know what, Mike Tomlin? You condone George Pickens' behavior. You tolerate things in a win you never would in a loss. Yes, sir. And I told you. I saw this with AB in 2016. Now, you see this? Now, it come with Pickens.

It come with Deontay Johnson. Mike Tomlin will tolerate negative behavior if he wins the game. Now look at how he looking. George Pickens basically lost them the game tonight because he was awful. He was awful, Ocho. And you think he done it. Oh, he can make plays. Don't look at the plays.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, I'll let you talk about your team, the Bengals and Aaron Rodgers. Let me have this moment. he can make plays whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa hey when you hey I let you talk about your team the Bengals and Aaron Rodgers let me have this moment

okay okay you have been George Pickens biggest supporter even when he wouldn't run even when he wouldn't recover a fumble you supported him

even when he he was the reason that the interception happened in Pittsburgh to Fryer move you supported him now I want you to put on yes yeah Chad He was the reason that the interception happened in Pittsburgh to Fryer move. You supported it. Now, I want you to put on, yes, Chad. Now, I want you to put on your best support and support George Pickett for the game that he had tonight.

I can't support him. He had a bad game. He had a bad game. You know what I can say? He had a bad game. He had a bad game. And you know what I can say? He had a bad game. He has to watch that film. He has to have a better understanding

and you can't perform like this. Obviously, they're the fifth seed, right? They're the fifth seed. Am I mistaken? If the Broncos win,

the Broncos will be the fifth, right? We finna get it. Okay, but anyway, back. I know George is going to see this. But you can't play like that. Why? we finna we finna we finna get okay but but anyway anyway back I know George gonna see this

but you can't play like that what you can't play like that you can't have those type of games you can't have

those oh okay if the Chargers win they're the sixth seed the Chargers will be the fifth seed okay okay

so they'll be the so the Broncos can only be the seventh seed right so the Broncos Dolphins or Bengals can only be the seventh seed, right? So the Broncos, Dolphins, or Bengals can only be the seventh seed.

The only thing that can flip would be the Chargers. If they win, they're the five, Steelers are the six, and then you get Bengals, Dolphins, or Broncos as the seventh seed. Okay, for the sake of the conversation,

we already know what's going to happen. The Bengals are going to be the seventh seed. Okay. But again, let's go back to George Pickens. Pick, you can't have a game like that. You can't. You can't. If anything, you need to be the reason why your team is winning.

They have to count on you. You are the team's best offensive weapon. Therefore, you've got to always be on point. Your feet always got to be ten-toed. Every time you step on the field, you have to understand that. You have to move as such and understand how valuable you are to the guy, I almost cursed again, how valuable you are to the Steelers.

You have to. That also comes with growth. That also comes with understanding on how important I am to not only the franchise, but for my team's success offensively.

He got to understand that. Oh, so when is he going to understand that? Because you saw that behavior last year in Cincinnati? Yes, sir. You saw it in Indy last year when he wouldn't chase yes he wouldn't hustle he gave up on the plan it got picked yes me me personally yeah I don't believe you can win with it I want somebody else to win I want him to grow with somebody else okay I you know what I understand what you're talking about right I understand what you're talking about but let's not let's not let's

not mistake and understand the type of talent that is. Yeah. Let's not make the mistake. Well, I don't see Randy Moss talent. I don't see Randy Moss talent, so I got to let him go. Ain't no Randy Moss talent coming through that, though.

Okay, well, I got to let him go. He's Randy Moss talent on no team right now. I got to let him go then. So, because that behavior, his play don't overcompensate his behavior. Right.

I understand. And look at him is he more talented than ab oh no so what did they do to ab ocho tell the people that for the people that don't realize what happened what did pittsburgh do with ab they they they had to fall away don't they will tolerate listen chad I want you to understand. And when Ocho and I, we talk, we talk a lot of stuff about sports, but this applies to regular life and a regular job situation. Also, your employer will tolerate you until he can replace you. Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. They will tolerate until they can replace. Now, let me tell you what happens if you're a really good player and you got negative behavior. When that time come, it makes it real easy for them to get off you. Yes, sir. You see how easy it was for the Packers to get rid of Aaron Rodgers? Whoa, whoa, whoa. What?

Wait, wait. How many years? How many years first now? How many years? See, I told you. But you missed the point. No, I'm not supporting. I'm not supporting. I'm not supporting.

I'm telling you how long it takes. No, but they got rid of him. They tolerated that behavior until they could do what, Ocho? Get rid of him. Now, what are the Jets going to do? Now, if you had to put some money down, do the Jets keep him or let him go?

Oh, hey, you know what? I'm glad you said that. Listen to me. Listen to me real quick. Stay with me. You understand how difficult it is to find a quarterback. Now, as bad as he's played this year, who do you think they'd rather gamble with? You think they'd rather gamble with somebody that is new,

where you don't know what you're getting, or someone that has a resume that of Aaron Rodgers? What do you think? What if that resume got him this year? He got that resume. What if it got him? Nothing. Nothing.

But it's that resume that has him in a position to be able to be creative. Do you believe they can find another quarterback and go 4-11? Yes or no? Yes, sir. So why keep Aaron Rodgers and pay him $50 million when you can get somebody else and pay him $10, $15, maybe even $20 or even $30? So what's the upside of keeping Aaron Rodgers right first of all Ocho he hadn't won the Super Bowl in 14 years yeah now you believe in year 21 right that there's a chance he could do it nah nah not flat dog but I know I know what he does

thinking like a GM thinking like an owner Their belief is based on what he has done is, you know what, he gives a chance. There's hope. Despite the year he had. Ocho. Now, I'm not speaking for me. I'm speaking as a owner

or a GM would think. I don't believe I don't believe GMs feel that same way anymore. No, you don't think so? I don't. Okay. I don't. Okay. I have a question.

Let me ask you something. Yes, sir. Kirk Cousins. Everybody feels Kirk Cousins' worth. You know, he can go get three, a hundred, whatever million from goddamn Atlanta Falcons, but he won one playoff game. But Super Bowl champion Aaron Rodgers, full-time

MVP Aaron Rodgers? Oh, we don't make it. Man, listen. Understand how hard it is to find a quarterback that can get the job done. We look at the Patrick Mahomes, the Josh Allen, the Joe Burrows, the Lamar Jacksons, the Jordan Loves, the CJ Strouds, Jaden Daniels playing well this year. It's very hard to get and find a quarterback where, you know, once we get somebody in that position at the helm, we can build around that. Sometimes it's so hard to find, you got to go with someone old, someone that's done it before.

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Now, why would I keep him when he brings no value to my locker room? Come on, man. Now, now now I'm with listen I'm with you when you're right I can't argue the fact sometimes we and people don't want to realize how important the locker room is until there's chaos until the culture is in shambles and then you realize the presence how important important locker room presence is. This is not an accident. Yeah. Especially, you know what?

You didn't hear all this stuff. Oh, chill. You did not hear all this dysfunction with the locker room. Right. And with the Jets last year with Zach Wilson and some of the other pieces that they had in place. Honestly, listen, not, not, not to bring up, not to bring up the past, but Zach Wilson had a better record, you know, last year. Yes. I felt they should, I felt they shouldn't have moved on from Zach Wilson.

I was the one on the, on the, on the soapbox for Zach. But, but see, see what you just did? You said Aaron Rodgers resume. Oh yeah. You see what that resume? That is said Aaron Rodgers' resume. Oh, yeah. You see what that resume? That is why they moved on from Zach Wilson, based on what Aaron Rodgers has done in the past. That's the reason why he was there in the first place. They gave Aaron Rodgers the keys to the entire organization once he got there.

How do you think Devontae Adams was able to get there? How do you think Lazard was able to get there? If I'm Devontae, I'm done following Aaron Rodgers around I'm good so wherever he go I'm going the opposite if he go north I'm going south if he go east

I'm going west I'm done with that right I'm done with that let's have a great understanding on why he did decide to come based on what they were able to do together

the chemistry that they had I mean if you want to get stats but he said he wanted to be somewhere where he can win yeah the chemistry that they had at quarterback-barber duo. If you want to get stats, but he said he wanted to be somewhere where he can win. That's what he said. Now, those were his words.

Right. Now, do you want stats? You want a 1,000-yard season? You want to potentially go to the Pro Bowl? Or do you want to win? Because you've done all that. You've been a multiple-time Pro Bowl player. You've got over 100 touchdown catches in your career. But the one thing that you haven't done

is won a Super Bowl. I would like to thank Devontae Adams, a guy of his credential, that that's going to look really good on his resume, Super Bowl. Right. Because now he's looking at, okay, I got to try to get,

because here's the thing now, there's going to be a lot of guys with a thousand catches. Right. There's going to be a lot of guys with a thousand catches on Right. There's going to be a lot of guys with a thousand catches, Ocho, because you know we got the extra game now. Right. And they throw the ball a lot more than they originally did.

Well, so now it's twelve hundred catches. It used to be, Ocho, you got a thousand catches. Oh man, you in a slam dunk. Oh yeah, most definitely. And so that's what I think, Ocho. I think the thing is, it all depends on what Devontae is looking for. Obviously, he's going to want to get a nice compensation.

I don't see Devontae playing for $5, $10 million. He's going to want big money. But if I want to go somewhere that I can win, that somebody that— and you're going to have to weigh the options. You got to look at the quarterback, how many opportunities I'm going to get. I could tell you the best opportunity for him obviously uh deandre hawkins on the one year deal in kansas city right yes okay so i'm assuming i'm thinking maybe in the offseason maybe that might be a great move a great move for demonte

adam i think patrick mahone wouldn't have no problem having one of the best route runners in the nfl still he doesn't obviously get the notoriety he does. He should, but you can see he's a great route runner. Oh, he's still technical. He's still sound. Very, very, very sound, and I think he would be a great addition to the Chiefs offense with Xavier Worthy and I think Hollywood Brown. I'm not sure if Hollywood Brown is on a one or two-year or three-year

deal, whatever it may be. He's a free agent. I think he's on a one-year deal, too. Oh, see? Listen, it all would probably work itself out. Wherever Devontae Adams goes, he will be a greatyear deal, too. Oh, see? Listen, it all would probably work itself out. Wherever Devontae Adams goes, he will be a great addition for that offense. Oh, absolutely. I just think the thing is, I think this game should force George Pickens to evaluate himself. Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. Ocho, he had a great ball on the sidelines, and he dropped it. Yes, sir. That was big. That was huge. He had what—I on the sidelines, and he dropped it. Yes, sir. That was big. That was huge. He had what he, I mean, he dropped every, Ocho, I understand, but those balls was in his hands, and he dropped them. Yeah.

And he's a guy, you know what it is, Ocho? He's a guy that when he goes into a funk, he can't pull himself out. You know why? He's not strong enough up here yet. You got to have that DB mentality. I mean, you get beat on. You got to have that DB mentality. You get beat.

Okay, next play. You got to forget about it. And most of the time, that's very difficult to do because I struggle with it too. As a receiver, I could be honest with you. I could talk to you, you know, because we family. Yeah. When I was young, we talked about year one, year two.

When I drop a ball, I feel down on two when i drop a ball i feel down on myself now i'm down on myself the next ball that comes it beat me up real bad it beat me yeah so most of the time early in my career when i would drop a ball i would tell carson to check it or i would tell kidna actually it wasn't even carson yet i would tell kidna check it i don't want to route i don't want to run on route. I don't feel comfortable yet. Throw me a smoke real quick. Throw me a screen real quick. Let me touch it again. Let me see it all the way in. So it builds my confidence back up. But until I get that confidence back up, feeling the ball and touching it again, tucking it away, then I don't feel right. So I understand what Pickett's going through, but a performance like tonight

cannot be had from a player of your caliber as important as you are to that guy. In a game like this. You can't. You can't. So you know what? It's a good thing. Get it out of the system now.

Get it out of the system now because come next week, when it counts, when it counts, and they got to count on you, you got to come through for them, you got to come through four. You got to come through four. I look at them, Ocho. They're going to either get Baltimore.

If they're the five. See, here's the thing now. I'm really trying to be the five seed. The charge is like, we're going to win this game because we get the four seeds, which is the Houston Texans. Right. They're struggling. Their quarterback is down some confidence.

They're not playing particularly well on either side of the ball. Right. Oh, I like that matchup. Yeah. You're going to slide to the sixth seed, you got the Ravens. You remember what the Ravens did to Pittsburgh last game? That's ugly. It'll be a – the Ravens are really clicking. Right. That's ugly. It'll be a... It'll be... The Ravens are really clicking.

Right. The defense is starting to play better. Lamar's Lamar. He had another outstanding game. Again. Ocho, you see? Oh, man. Man, Derrick Henry wasn't getting nothing.

You see the difference? Oh, yeah. In the first half, you gave him the ball. He had, what, three, four yards. Yes, sir. In the second half, he take the game completely over.

Completely over. That's all you got to do running the football is about a mentality says it doesn't matter people think you're supposed to get 15 yards to carry the old joke when you run the football it's a lot of ones and twos maybe no yards three yards four yards and what he do boom 25 yards boom 18 yards boom 43 yards that's how it works the funny thing about it when you have the back like derrick henry is you're gonna have some one some tools yes you get somebody that size continue to weigh on you deep on the on the defensive side of the ball at some point players start to come up and make that business decision the whole start to open up a little bit wider in that third and fourth quarter. It's different.

It's like chopping wood. Chopping wood continuously. It continues. It starts to crack more and more and more. Yes. At some point, it opens right up. And every time they get Derrick Henry, 18 more carries in a game, they've won every game where he's carried the ball more than 18 times.

Every game. Every time. And it's really not that complicated. And then he opens it up for Lamar. Lamar opens it up for him. And the game becomes so easy for them when they run the ball because they're going to run it, Ocho. They got what they average.

They had 225 today. Henry goes over 1,900. Hey, Baltimore, you see what they did? The game was already out of hand. With five minutes left, they put Derrick Henry back in the game. Ocho, did you see what they did? Oh, yeah.

They make it seem like it's mutually exclusive. Well, if he breaks the record, we can't win the Super Bowl. Well, if he if he breaks the record, we can't win the Super Bowl. Well, if he doesn't get the record, we can win the Super Bowl. They're not mutually exclusive. Yeah. Like I said, I don't get it.

Because now, they've got to win the Super Bowl. If they don't win the Super Bowl, I'm like, bro, y'all did all that for what? Y'all denied the man an opportunity at the record to do what yeah

oh so so you so thank you so you feel the same way about Saquon too then and how I feel oh yeah

I was we talked about yeah hell yeah thank you like he would yes absolutely he would never get this opportunity again

the chance of having back to back 2000 seasons are like, it is slim to none. It's very difficult to do. And then people, you know, I'm on the inside of the NFL. I'm hot. I'm hot. It's about, oh, we're trying to mitigate the risk of injury. We done played 16 weeks of football. All of a sudden, we get to week 17.

What are we talking about this is football you play the game you play it to win sometimes as an individual you have a chance to break records and cement your name in history

like why would you take that away from him because oh we don't want him to get hurt what are we talking about there's a chance anytime you step on the field away from him because, oh, we don't want him to get hurt. What are we talking about? There's a chance he'll get hurt any time he steps on the field. It absolutely is. George Pickens and Russell Wilson was not on the same page. Pickens tonight, Ocho, against the Bengals,

one of the worst secondaries in the NFL. He had six targets, three drops, one catch, zero yards. Earlier in the week, Pickens was asked about not being on the same page with Russell Wilson during the Chiefs game. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. It seemed like you and Russ weren't on the same

page in that interception against the Chiefs. How does that happen, and what do you guys do to address it? You said me and Russell wasn't on the same page? Yeah, well, that's what he said. That's what he said? Yeah. That's what he said. Okay. How do you just address that

thank you alright thanks guys that's Savar it wasn't it wasn't on the same page he quit Ocho Ocho Russ tried to protect it

yeah yeah everybody saw he quit on the route mm-hmm Russ did him a solid yeah by saying we weren't on the route. Russ did him a solid. Yeah.

By saying we weren't on the same page. Last week. On Christmas. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Remember? Yeah. McDuffie was on him. Yeah. I remember. It was cover two.

He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. He fell off.

He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. He fell off.

He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. He fell off.

He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. He fell off. Yeah. Yeah. Russ protected it,

saying we just weren't on the same page. Right. With actuality, everybody that saw it, when they showed the all 22 of it, he actually quit on the route. Right. Which for, which Justin Reed, which is playing cover two to that side, there was no reason to get wide because there's no threat. Right.

So now with no threat, now I can pay attention to the hash to the middle of the field. Now I see Fry moves that got the backer beat. Oh, let me just go ahead and take this off your hand, bro. Right. Right.

That's back-to-back weeks too. So he got No accountability. He got No accountability. Russ gonna talk to him. Matter of fact, Mike Tomlin

Mike Tomlin don't even need to say nothing. You know who they have a conversation with? Your quarterback. Your quarterback got to be the one to pull you to the side and talk to you. Boy, I need you. I need you.

I need you to do everything. Mike Tomlin is the problem. Mike Tomlin accept things and wins. He wouldn't have lost. Why would he be upset now? You don't upset when he start winning. He'd be bulljabbing half the time when they win. Go back.

Chat, I want y'all to watch the tape. Watch when he, you know why it's hard to get on the same page? Because he doesn't bust his ass on every round. That's why the quarterback can't get on the same page with your Ocho. Because half the time you bulljabbing. Let's call it what it is, Ocho. That's why the quarterback can't get on the same page with George Pickens because George Pickens is lazy.

He lallygags in his route, especially if he's not getting the ball. If he ain't getting the ball, George Pickens giving you his butt to kiss. Watch it. Watch the tape. That's why a quarterback can't get on the same page because I don't know what speed he's going to run at. That's why they take – what do you do, Ochoa, in practice? You run the route like you would in the game,

so it times up when it comes to game. Yeah. Ta-da! Listen, guys, I'm not telling you anything earth-shattering. Ochoa and I know how you're supposed to do certain things. And the coaches would get on us so let me ask you a question

how do you think that's going to time up in the game if you bull jive it in practice considering the game is absolutely

faster way faster that's why you bust your butt knowing things are going to even speed up. So if you bull jive it and the quarterback goes one, two, three,

and you bull jive it. Now he got to jack the ball up. Okay. He goes one, two, three, four, five.

He's looking to throw the ball, but because you didn't bust your butt in practice, he has no time. Now you want to bust your butt in the game. Now his timing is off. You see? That's why you practice, Ocho. So you understand

the quarterback get a feel of where the lineman's going to be. The lineman gets a feel of where the quarterback's going to be. I get a feel of the timing of the quarterback. One, two, three, so forth and so on. I get bumped. Okay, I can't get to 12. I got to cut this thing down. You got a good jam on me.

Let me take this thing down to 10 so it times up. You're not going to be able to give him the same pay as George Pickens because George Pickens bull jives in his routes. You know what I like too, as you say about it, about how fast the game is is something that I learned and understood

by the time I got to year three, where Carson and I, we had gelled so well and had such great chemistry. And my crazy butt, you know, was always full speed in practice, the way I practiced. When I got to year three, in the game, you know how you just said the game is much faster? It got to a point to me where the game was slow the game was slow it wasn't really moving slow but the way the way everything registered to me it was registering slow like i was moving like a little bit faster than the game itself i don't know i don't know if i'm saying it the right way uh for the people in chat to get it like well the game slowed down because you understood the game better there we go okay that's the you weren't guessing you there was no longer am i doing the right thing am i at the right depth now you can

close your eyes and run that speed out 10 roll roll to 12 like it's nothing you can run that bang like it ain't enough a one two three four five six that's seven that's seven step that glance man the ball man the ball right there. Every time. I don't need, hey, I don't need nothing. All I can close my eyes. Back, hey, whatever side I'm on, the back, look back. And I'm going to go one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. And when I do this, that ball right there.

Already gone. I know that. That's what they say when the game slows down. Now you're no longer guessing. Man, the quarterback said the game. Man, I wonder what defense they're in. I wonder what I'm supposed to do with the ball. You already know. Oh, they're going to give us this defense on first down.

Now, here's the, okay, this is what they do. But here's the counter to this, what they do. Now it slows down. The game didn't really slow. You just know. You just, you slowed the game down because you know what to do, where to be and how to get there. And the, and the,

and the great thing that the great thing about it. And I can't wait to pick and get to this part and, and, and understanding the fast you play in practice, the slower the game becomes in time on Sundays. And then not only that, when the defenses come out the huddle, you already come out the huddle with a plan.

But once you have a plan based on the play that's called, then you also have a plan based on what you see in front of you. So you understand even with the skiers and the safeties playing around and the mic doing all that stuff, whatever Russell Wilson points at, you already know plan A and you know plan B based on what's in front of you. And when that allows you to play fast and you know plan b based on what's in front of you and when it allows you to play fast and you can think freely yes and listen you don't have to guess because i gotta run my ride off his alignment ocho i understand that if i gotta get outside right and he's outside

i've got to do something yeah to make him think i'm going inside to get him inside yeah and if i'm going inside i've got to do something outside to make him think I'm going outside because I've got to get in there. I've got the quarterback, trust me, because he's going to throw that ball. He's going to throw that ball on timing. And it's got to be a complete

or it's got to be incomplete. I can't fool him. Yeah. And that's why I can't like, I'm supposed to go inside and then all of a sudden I'm going to throw the throw. And then also-

He ain't got that kind of time. But then you got to think, even if the ball ain't for you, even if you, whatever your assignment is. You got to bust your butt. You got to go outside. Maybe it's to open somebody else up. Thank you. Maybe he's in that corner with his back turned. They're giving him the flip.

So somebody that's coming from the other side, you know, maybe a shallow or something. Maybe they're tight end. You got to open up other people. So when you understand the offense in its totality, then you don't get what happened last week. You know when you run cover two, you're not getting the ball. We're trying to get somebody down the hole. Yeah.

That's what we're trying to do. We're trying to get them safety just as wide as we can because we want that guy. He's isolated one-on-one with the linebacker, and we don't want it to be a 20-yard completion and a safety make the play we want it to be a 40-yard touchdown yes sir so i will bust my butt because guess what i've asked rod i've asked ed to bust my butt so when they come to z shallow they come to x this i've got to clear it because this is my opportunity to repay them for the service that they provided for me

to get down the hole or for me to run the basic cross or me to run Tiger Far Cross. That's the way it works. Pickens got to understand just because you're not getting the ball, that's not your chance to bull jive. Right.

I think he has to understand it. I think he has to understand it. I think no one has explained it to him that way as opposed to, you know what? Every time, every time you're out there, when the offense is run, sometimes the ball ain't coming to you. But sometimes what you do have, it might be to open somebody else up, like it was last week.

Right. But it's going to come. It's going to come. You got to get it together. And you got to get it together now. It's attitude, though. You got to get it together now. That attitude, yeah you gotta get attitude oh joe yeah oh joe and they gotta be listen listen i've never i haven't had a chance to talk to him if if i if i get his number i'll talk to him i said listen i i talked to him i tell

you listen well you only get so many opportunities baby you're and you're such a special talent you can't let it go to waste and you're in the right place too you you're in the yes you're such a special talent. You can't let it go to waste. And you're in the right place too. You're in the right place. You're in the right place. You don't want to go nowhere else. Because you go somewhere else, boy, the grass ain't always green on the other side, huh? Boy, it is not green on the other side. They're not

going to tolerate said behavior like the Steelers are. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? When you're home, your parents would tolerate things. And when you go like, who told you? Where did you learn that? But if you notice, Ocho, there's a reoccurring thing with Steelers receivers. You see?

I mean, what is it? I don't think there was any overlap between Pickens and A.B. I don't think there was any overlap between Pickens and A.B. I don't think there was any overlap between Deontay Johnson with Deontay Johnson and Pickens within that locker room together and look at their behavior it's identical

you see what happens when you don't have culture when you don't have someone to hold people accountable see now you need a veteran presence in the locker room to say that's not the way we do things well you got one you got one quarterback that need a veteran presence in the locker room to say,

that's not the way we do things. Well, you got one, huh? You got one, the quarterback. That's a veteran presence. That's a Super Bowl champion. Ocho, he just got there. I know what you mean, but still, they have an end goal in mind. They have an end goal in mind.

Russell Wilson understands what it takes to get the goal out there in New Orleans. So if there's somebody to talk to him, not to coach. Not to coach the one who's throwing you the ball. Russ got to pull him aside. And I'm sure he's done it already. We had a bet last year. What about your guy,

CeCe, Chase Claypool? Huh? I mean, I just want to know how many bad receivers before coaches say, oh, one or two things, Ocho,

either you coach that behavior or you condone that behavior. There's no other way around it. You coach it or you condone it. So what's going on in Pittsburgh? Are they coaching it or are they condoning it? I mean, listen, I'm not condoning it. I just say there's a way to. No, I'm asking what are they doing in Pittsburgh?

Oh, okay, okay. I see what you mean. I see what you mean. Now, I understand. I understand. Like in Pittsburgh? Oh, okay, okay. I see what you mean. I see what you mean. Now, I understand. I understand. Like, Plex wanted his money. Steelers didn't want to pay no money. He went elsewhere.

Right. But Santonio Holmes was Super Bowl MVP. Chase Claypool. Chase Claypool. A.B., you got Pickens. You got Deontay Johnson. Right. I just want to know Ocho I mean hold on a lot of these guys from Florida

hold on now don't do that don't do that don't do that don't do that because hey listen I'm from Florida I ain't had no problems

I'm just saying I just want to know and then Fry ooh Florida. I ain't had no problems. I'm just saying. I just want to know. And then Fry... Ooh. Lord. If Fry moves to catch that pass, he might hit his head on the goal post, don't you? Yeah. I'm glad.

I don't know if he got that kind of speed. He might want to give himself... No, seriously. He might want to give himself up. Right. But they ain't got no time. Save time. Hold on, hold on. Let me take the bracelet off.

What happened? Russ, what are you doing? Get your ass out of bounds. That's two times. You've done that. Yard is just not important at this point in time. The clock is. Russ is too veteran of an effing quarterback to keep making these mistakes. It cost him against the Baltimore Ravens.

He tried to, not all of a sudden, he's Josh Allen. He's going to run a Cam Newton. He's going to run somebody over with his small ass. Slide your ass down in this situation. Get your ass out of bounds. Yardage. Three yards is not more important than 15

seconds. Right. I don't get it. It's like all of a sudden these guys think, Ocho, it's like the moment got too big for me, he forgot. Tell me what you thought was Ocho

tell me you got one timeout why would you not go out of bounds and save that timeout as opposed to getting three yards

and gotta burn it mhm but listen I'm glad it went that way cause I sure ain't wanna I sure ain't wanna salute

so I listen I'm you got to have better clock management, better understanding of the situation that you're in. It's called situational football. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And the really good ones, they understand. Oh, yeah.

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and then have him have that attitude have good good good attitude because it's whatever the case because we saw what happened in Minnesota with Randy they wanted to move on he goes to the Raiders he didn't feel he didn't feel appreciated they wouldn't give him the opportunity and then you know he goes to he goes to uh uh uh New England and we see what happens. So the Raiders are like, bro, why couldn't we get that? Hey, listen, that's why you have to be cautious. That's why you have to be cautious, you know,

and have a little grace and a little leeway for players like that, of that caliber, that are special. George Pickens ain't no regular receiver. He ain't just nobody. No, but But here's the thing though, Ocho. He's a special talent. Eventually, eventually that behavior is going to rear its head. And it reared its head in New England, didn't it?

Because guess what? And the one guy that wasn't going to put up with that behavior is you're playing for the guy. So what's the guy's name that's not going to put up with that behavior? No matter how great you are, what's his name, Ocho? Bill Belichick. You know what? When I think about that situation, when I go back to it and think about it,

remember, like, he didn't really do nothing. He just said, I want my money. Nah, it was more to it than that, Ocho. It was more to it than that. It was? Yeah. Okay. And you probably know what's going on. tour than that. It was? Yeah. Okay. And you probably know

what's going on. Okay. And then they traded to Tennessee. Okay, he goes to Tennessee. Then what happened? Different offense too, boy. Ocho, you see? Now,

Minnesota, Oakland, New England, Tennessee, Minnesota again. Five teams. Remember 49ers? We keep blaming the team. Remember 49ers remember play with the 49ers was the last stop they went there they went to the super bowl and then he hunted up after that yeah i just i just i just don't get it ocho it

because the thing is is that you can steal a year if you're a great player, they'll allow you to steal a year. A year? You can steal a few. See? See, now you cooking. Now you cooking. Now you can steal a few. Especially if you ain't no pro.

See, now you cooking with Crisco. See, before you was cooking with Pam. You was like, you ain't want to clog your arteries. Now you got Crisco. You about to burn the house down. You know exactly what I'm talking about. They will allow you to steal a couple years

with a good attitude. Yeah. Yeah. All right, Ocho, let's go to Pittsburgh. It's the end of the season, regular season on four consecutive losses. How hard is it as a team

to turn a slide around once you get to the playoffs? Oh, that's a good one. So that's four games, four or five games lost in a row. Four. They lost four consecutive games.

They lost four in a row? I mean, what are you, I'm trying to think. I mean, what can you do outside to play better offensively?

Because the reason they haven't played well is because the offense has been abysmal to pass forward. They've been bad as opposed to how they looked before. They look really good. I'm not sure what's going on with Arthur Smith and the play calling or Russ and his ability to facilitate the ball to the receivers. I don't know what it is.

Honestly, I can't tell you. I just know from an offensive standpoint, they've been able to run it okay, but the passing game hasn't been what it should be. Because, Ocho, the receivers, I don't know what I'm going to get. First of all, you remember pick mystery games. But when it's in,

Ocho, I mean, if he's supposed to roll 10, I don't know because Ocho, you know on that speed out with that 10 roll to 12? Ocho, you got to throw it on time. Ain't no I'm going to wait until he get, I'm going to wait until this ain't college. In the

NFL, the difference between NFL and college, in NFL, you throw people open. In college, you can wait until they get open. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. These guys are too good. They study too much film and you throw a ball, wait until

he get open in the NFL. It's going another way. They're going to pick it. It's going another way. I'm just going to say, are you going to pick it? It's really that simple. And it's hard. I think we lost, hold on, we lost three or four. Hold on, we lost to Pittsburgh.

Who did we lose to? We lost to San Fran, we lost to Pittsburgh, San Fran. We lost three or four. But we won. We lost three games. Then we won the final game of the season against Seattle. And then we had a home game

because back then, Ocho, we were the... I don't know what we were. I think there was only three divisions back then. But anyway, we had a home game. We got one home game. And then we had to go on the road.

We had to go to Kansas City and we had to go to Pittsburgh. But the thing was is that the teams that we were playing, Ocho, we had already played. Right. So it was a lot of familiarity. And we felt that because they beat us, they really weren't going to change anything.

Which gave us an opportunity to change a lot about what we did. Right. Because if I win Ocho, why would I change anything? I won. We knew that. Right. We know you're not going to change anything. Can't help yourself.

Then now we take it. Now we took advantage of that. Right. But it's tough. But like I said, Ocho, I think me personally, I think the Steelers overachieved. I don't think they're a great team.

You don't think so? I don't look at them as a great team, no. I never thought they had. But they're not a great team offensively. They're a great team. You don't think so? I don't look at them as a great team, no. I never thought they had. But they're not a great team offensively. They're a great team defensively. That's their identity. Their identity has always been offense. Well, as opposed to when Roethlisberger was there,

they were off with the juggernaut then. Yeah. Even the defense was good. And I think about my era. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, but here's the thing. The Steelers have always prided themselves on defense until they got Big Ben,

and then all of a sudden they started getting those receivers and they started throwing the football. Right. So when they had Ben, they had Le'Veon, they had A.B., they was like, we're just going to outscore you. Boy, they were nasty then, boy. Oh, absolutely, because they could run it, they could throw it. Big defense was like, we're just going to outscore you. Boy, they were nasty then, boy. Oh, absolutely. Because they could run it. They could throw it. Their defense was good.

But the championship level teams that they had, it was still a defensive-based football team. Yeah. When they had Lamar Woodley, they had James Harrison, they had Farrier, they had Foote, they had Troy, they had Ike, they had Ryan Clark. They were a defensive team. Boy, it was nice, boy.

Boy, it was nice. They had Kiesel. Oh, yeah, with the beard. Yeah, Aaron Smith. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Didn't they have Aaron Smith with him? Kimo Van Offlin.

Yeah, Kimo Van Ohawk. Yeah, man, he hurt Carson, man. Russ said after the game, I'm not blinking on George Pickens. If anybody believes in him, I definitely do. There we go. That's what I'm talking about. That's quarterback. Quarterback got to say that. Now, after you say what you need to say in front of the media,

pull his ass, pull him aside, and then talk to him. Not no any kind of talk. I'm talking about on the corner. No, he ain't ready to have that. to have that cut that's not first of all that's not russ's personality excuse me yeah but i mean that that's that's what russ i know russ got that in him russ got that in him the russ gotta talk to him like that you can't talk he annoyed it you can't talk to him you know when you annoyed it you can't talk to people like that hey listen that's you need to talk to her. Hey, even the

pastor. Even the pastor pull you to the side and then step out the pulpit and talk to you the right way now. Russ got that in him. He got the talk from that way. On the other hand, then he let me talk to him. Because

what I'm anointed with, that ain't going to get me into the pearly gates. So I'm going to ask for forgiveness. Oh, Joe, the Ravens captured the AFC third seed and will play host to either the Chargers or the Steelers next week in the wildcard round of the playoffs. Lamar capped a historic season with a performance today. He was 16 of 32,

217 yards, two touchdowns. He rushed nine times for 63 yards. He became the first player in NFL history. Yeah. With 4,000 passing yards, 900 rushing yards. And he's the first player,

uh, Aaron Rogers to throw more than 40 touchdowns with fewer than five interceptions. Uh, and he just finished. Jordan, open this up. He's the first. He finished with the second highest quarterback rating in NFL history

behind Aaron Rodgers. So he's the second quarterback to go 40 and fewer than five. He finished with the second highest quarterback rating. He's the first quarterback in NFL history with 40 plus fast touchdowns and 900 yards rushing. And his team won the division. Guys, look. I know

it's going to be close. And I know Josh Allen's had a phenomenal season. And I don't know if anybody thought that Josh Allen, considering what he lost with Gabe Davis, with Stephon Diggs leaving, Tredavious White, Tredavious White, Micah Hyde, Justin Poirier. He lost a lot. Yeah.

But how do I deny? How? How? How, Ocho, do I deny this? Yeah, it's hard. How do I deny this? Yeah, it's hard. How do I deny it? It's hard. And listen, when you look at him,

you look at what Lamar's been able to do, especially his numbers this year, how do you say he's not the MVP? But I could tell you one thing about the voters. I could tell you one thing about the voters, despite what we may think, despite what's right there in your face, statistically,

and what Lamar's been able to do this season, they will find a way. They will find a way to move the goalposts. Whatever their reasoning may be, I'm not sure what it may be because they just want to give it to Josh Allen because Josh Allen has had a phenomenal year with less. He's had a phenomenal year with less.

Now, what they will take into account when it comes to who they decide to be the MVP, I don't know. I wish Josh... Wait, when do the Bills play? They play tomorrow. Okay, but Josh Allen ain't playing. No. See, I wish he was playing.

Honestly, just for me, just for the sake of the race and the talk of the MVP, I wish he was playing so he could put on one last show. One last show, because based on what Lamar Jackson did put on one last show. One last show. Because based on what Lamar Jackson did today, that really seals the deal for me. You know? I'm not a voter. I'm not the one voting. So if the vote is already in, then it's already been made, regardless of what

Lamar Jackson did today or not. Because if it's based off his last performance and what he's done in the totality of the season, it's going to goddamn Lamar Jackson. I don't see how it could not. And the first thing I'll say was, well, damn, well, he had Derrick Henry. That could be the only argument. Yeah.

And the thing is, Derrick Henry might take some vote from Lamar. Yeah. I mean, because he had, what, 1,900 yards and 16 touchdowns. Second most rushed yards in Baltimore history. Obviously, Jamal has the record at 2,066. The most rushed touchdowns in a single season, 16.

He's the first guy in NFL history to have two seasons in which he's rushed for over 1,900 yards. ED in his which he rushed for over 1,900 yards. ED in his rookie season rushed for 18-18 and then he came back in second season and went 21-05.

Derrick Henry could have easily, had he not gotten hurt that year. There was a year that Derrick Henry was ahead of the pace in which he broke the, when he had over 2,000 yards. He was ahead of that pace the following year. Got injured and missed the rest of the season. So theoretically, he might have had three 1,000 yards. He was ahead of that pace the following year, got injured, and missed the rest of the season. So, theoretically, he might have had

three 1,900-yard seasons or maybe even another 2,000-yard season, Ocho. But I think with what he's done, he's definitely played himself into a first ballot Hall of Famer. I haven't been around him a whole lot, Ocho, but a little bit of

time I've been around him, I really like D. Henry. I really like him. He's a great guy. You can tell he works hard. He takes his stuff serious. First of all, it's hard for guys that go to Alabama to not work hard. If you're not going to not work hard on saving watch, that's not going to happen.

So it's kind of like if you go to New England. You know if you get somebody from New England, Ocho, for the most part, especially if they got drafted to New England, oh, they're going to work hard. You know what you get. Coach Belichick don't play that foolishness. But, look, I used to have a vote. I had a vote for a decade when I was at CBS. I no longer have a vote, Ocho.

Right. But for me, I would vote. My eyes tell me that this is the MVP. He's had an MVP season, and I believe he will have earned the award, not deserved. I believe he will have earned the award with his play. But I can understand that some people don't vote for Josh Allen for the very reason that you said.

He's done. He's won more games with less. He doesn't have a 1,000-yard less um he doesn't have a thousand yard receiver uh he doesn't have anybody going to the pro bowl other than offensive lineman deon dawkins uh zay flowers is going to the pro bowl uh lamar center is going to the pro bowl uh derek henry is going to the pro bowl lamar jackson is going to the pro bowl uh um marlin uh marlin humphrey's going to the pro bowl hamilton the all-world safety is going the Pro Bowl. Marlon Humphrey's going to the Pro Bowl.

Hamilton, the All-World safety, is going to the Pro Bowl. Matt Biquet is going to the Pro Bowl. So I understand, Ocho, I do understand the boldness that he's sitting with Shannon. Look at what he's done with far less talent. Okay? But boy, when I

look at this, and the argument is, you go back and look at some of those Drew Brees seasons. Drew Brees had 5,000 yards and 40 touchdowns and didn't win MVP. It's just, man, when I just watched Lamar, I mean, 4,000 yards, I would have never believed it, Ocho. Because all I said, if he can get his arm

to 85% of his legs, he's going to be a multiple time MVP because his legs are ridiculous. Well, now his arm is 90% of his leg and this is what you get. Now, had he wanted to, could he have

been 4,000 or 1,000? Yeah, he could have. He could have. Easily. He still might. He got a long way to 1,000, yeah, he could've. Mm-hmm. He could've. Easily. And listen, you tell me, he could've. He still might. He got a long way to go, boy. Yeah. But I don't think Depeche's on show. That's not on his mind anymore. He can throw the ball so much, so he don't

rely on it. He's not nearly reliant. Because now, he used to, like, get the ball, it's broke down, he's looking to run. Now, if it breaks down, he's looking to run. Now, if it breaks down, he's looking to buy time to throw it. He's going to let some guys, hey, before I absolutely have to take off Ochoa

and put this thing under my arm, I'm going to let you guys get some time. Okay, likely. Get open. Okay, Andrews, I'm going to give you an opportunity. Okay, Flowers, okay, baby, I'm going to give you guys a chance to get open. I don't want to run, but I'll do it.

Hey, like Gator told him, say, Mama, hey, don't make me hit an old lady over the head, Mama. I'll do it. You know, when Gator had that happen, he said, Mama. Gator, when she asked him, he said, Gator, what happened to the TV? He said, damn it, Mama, I smoked the TV. Hey, you know the extent of Zayflower's injury? I hope he's okay. He good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He scared me a little bit when he grabbed the weight. Yeah, because I didn't see it. It looked like maybe he got maybe just like a little bone bruise or something, Ocho. Other dude, he had knees with the dude on the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Because, you know, hey, man, hey,

you know, at least now, Ocho, they play with okay, okay. Because, you know, hey, man, hey, and, you know, at least now, Ocho, they play with knee pads. Right. You know, we used to get that hard-ass dirt. We didn't have no knee pads. At all, nothing.

Knee pads, no thigh pads. They got, hey, they got knee pads, thigh pads, hell, I mean, some are probably running backs wear heel pads.

Yeah. But we was out there just, basically, we had on tight. Yeah. To make a long story short, we had on tight because we had them taking all the inner workings of our paint line and i didn't cut all that out

but all that out y'all know who started that we started that y'all think y'all think the broncos oh we talked about back then when uh yes yes okay yes we cut our pants and then we had the shoe string for the belt to tie it up. Yeah. But the first person, actually, I want to give Ricky Jackson. Ricky Jackson was the first person I ever saw that had no pads in his paint. Right. And I was like, man, we didn't let you do that. I went out there like, hey, you feel so light on your chest. You don't act like, oh.

And I remember I remember when I came to practice and Mike asked like 84 you gonna play in the game like that I'm like yeah he's like okay that's on you

hey however he said come to practice however you going to play in the game right now Dan Reeve wasn't playing that Dan Reeves said, look,

if you don't have no pads in and you get a five rules, I'm going to fire you. Let me go and put this thing in. Let me go and put these five pads in.

Oh, let me go and put these five pads in and let me go and put them in there. I don't even want to, I don't even want to, I don't even want to

have to worry about that. It's so funny when we used to practice right with Belichick in New England you could play in the game however you want to

but Bill in practice he had everybody looking like the goddamn mannequin in the damn you know the mannequin in the equipment room

and it could be on the wall on high-heels yeah he got an elbow pad he got a he got a little hand don't you remember the hand pad

we used to have when we was little kids. Oh, Bill makes everybody. You got to have your knee pads in, your thigh pads in. No matter how you play the game. Yeah, I'm like. Oh, my God. Like, what are we doing?

Oh, that would drove me crazy. Man, he ain't play that. I remember I went out there one time. I'm thinking, you know, I'm a veteran. He not going to trip. Here I go. I'm out there. Took the lining out of my pants. No knee pads,

no thigh pads. Man, Bill sent me right back in. I had to change my pants, get some new pants, and put my thigh pads and my knee pads in just for practice. Boy, Bill, hey, that was, hey, Mike's like, hey, if you don't play, if you don't play with no knee pads, no thigh pads, you can't practice without them.

Well, hey, I ain't have no, but helmet and shoulder pads. That's all I had. I ain't have no thigh pads. I didn't play with no mouthpiece. I said, bro, I don't have time. I don't slap hands with somebody. I don't hit somebody

on their ass. They made a good play and you think I'm gonna reach in my mouth and pull my mouthpiece out? No. And plus, I want to be able

to talk ish on command. F you. Me too, yeah. You sorry, both folks? Uh-huh. I ain't got no mouthpiece. Just a mouthful of gold. That's it.

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