Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Bijan maybe the BEST RB in the NFL + Bills HC Sean McDermott on the HOT SEAT?!

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Atlanta Falcons stunning the Buffalo Bills 24-14! Unc and Ocho also break down the Chicago Bears edging out the Washington Commanders 25-24 and much more! 3:30 - Bears defeat Commanders with Game Winning FG 14:00 - Falcons SHOCK Josh Allen led Bills 32:52 - NFL suspends Lions DB Brian Branch 53:30 - Tua's postgame conference stirs controversy in Miami   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They had three turnovers coming into it tonight. They matched that with three tonight. Washington had two fumbles, one by Jane Daniels and other by George Jacorri Koski-Marrett and Daniels threw an interception. That led to costly possessions. And, you know, when you turn the football over, you've heard of say it before you pay for that. And you pay double.

Yeah. Giff, I wonder what they're going to say now. Because, you know, when they lose Caleb Williams, this is fingernails. Yeah. Man, stop picking your fingernails. So I wonder what they're going to say now because now it's not so. Did he win?

Right. If I'm not mistaken, then she had a close up and I saw his pinky and it had nail polish on it. Yeah. So winning or losing, his nails don't have anything. to do with winning and losing. I thought he was very well tonight. He was 17 or 29. 252, one touchdowns.

He did take three sacks, but he didn't turn, he didn't turn the ball over. And when you take care of the football and in Clement Weathers, hey, and you know he turns the ball over. They ran the ball. I thought DeAndre Swift did a great job

of running the football, especially late, Ocho. Because the one thing you didn't want to do was give Washington the ball back and they made sure they didn't get it back. Either way. And he ran to a 14, carries a bucko eight, 27 carries total for the bears, 145 yards, one touchdown.

Caleb Williams did have a touchdown pass. That was also to D'Andre Swift. But I thought they played really, really well. Washington was going to kick themselves because they turned the ball over, which they had done a great job of taking care of the football prior to tonight. Oh, Joe, what? Now, I know, hopefully you watch the highlights on the way back to the house. Huh?

Highlights. What about the highlights? Of the Bears, Washington. No, I watched the game, huh? Okay. Yeah. So what did you like about what you saw from the Bears? Well, obviously, I like Caleb.

Caleb was very passionate. He was struggling a little bit despite what it would look like he was a little, you could see he was a little frustrated on the sideline. Mm-hmm. There was some passes that he wasn't completing, but towards the end of the game. I think it was third, it was that third and four. But they really needed that play.

he hit DeAndre Swift. Yep. The Swift went for goddamn 55, obviously missed tackles. And when you play a game like that, and inclement weather, where it's very bad. The one thing you don't want to do is turn the ball over. And that's the one thing that the commanders did do. The commanders turned the ball over.

They pressured, they had four and five-man pressures. The pressure, goddamn Jaydon Daniels. And I don't want to say he didn't struggle, but obviously losing a fumble, getting sacked. Montez's sweat was hell. damn there all night for me. Yeah, but look, this game could have been a far different. I think you, I've got to give the Bears

defense a lot of credit. They brought Dennis Island. Dennis Allen, we know he's a very good defensive coordinator. He hadn't had the success that you would like to see him have as a head coach. He was the head coach of the Raiders. He was the head coach of the Saints, and he didn't have success. But as a defensive coordinator, you go back and look at his time at the Broncos, you go back and look at his time as a D.C. with New Orleans. He's done a great job of coordinating defenses and now he's back in that role. I thought Ben Johnson did a great

job. You're right. They could have an opportunity to maybe get the game to be ahead, but Caleb took his eyes off the ball. They had a shotgun snap and they were going to hand it to him and he took his eyes off the ball and the ball got here and he ended up losing a couple of yards on the third and short. But he played well, given the conditions, not both teams played. It wasn't like one team was playing in a phone booth and the other team was playing outside and in Clement Weather. They were both, but I thought the Bears did a better job of dealing with that. And when you're dealing with factors like that, you got snow, you got sleep, you got ring, you got adverse conditions, whichever team can handle those conditions the best.

That is normally the team that's going to win the ball game. Go ahead. I want to say not only handle the conditions the best, but also with those conditions, not turn the ball over. You've got to protect the ball. Because, you know, as you always say, you pay double for those turnovers. And that's exactly what happened to the commanders tonight. Yes. Caleb Williams, 17 to 29, 252, one touchdown. Jaden Daniel was 19 to 26 to 11, three touchdowns.

But when you turn the ball over, you don't really get an opportunity because they turn it over early. But hey, they'll learn from this. They got to do a better job of protecting because, look, there's no clear-cut favorite in either conference, I don't think. I don't think there's like, oh, my God, this team is unbeatable. I feel like on any given Sunday, if teams play their best and you're slightly off, now, if both teams play their best, do I think Washington is a little better than Chicago? I do, but I think they lowered themselves or they elevated the Bears by turning the ball over three times. And you can't turn the ball over in this league because, look, as talented as JD is, they're not talented enough to overcome three turnovers. And I thought Ben Johnson called a great game for the Bears. I thought he did an unbelievable job. I thought Kayla Williams did an unbelievable. job of distributing the football. Look, they had two fumbles, but they ended up getting them back. But Washington's got to do a better job of taking care of the football. And mainly the quarterback, the ball's in your hand. You have to take care of the football. And he didn't do a good enough job of that tonight. And it cost him a victory that they probably, they probably feel like

they should have won the ball game. Because early on, Chicago, they kept them out of the end zone, six, six, you know, 13, seven. And then they score 10 points into the third quarter to end. up taking a lead and you see what happens when you turn the ball over late and in chicago gets an opportunity johnny on the spot guy falls on it and takes off and the next thing you know they're they're going to travel back to chicago with a victory um but you don't get an opportunity to soak very long because you know you got a game next week right right back to it and sometimes that's the bit that's the 24 hour rule sometimes that's the best thing is that you don't want to linger you hate to go into a bye week after loss because you're thinking about it the whole time you're off

and like, man, what we could be, what we should be, what could have been, man, I can't believe we let that one slip away. You have to have a short memory. You play Monday night. You're off Tuesday. You're right back at it Wednesday. So you have to, you know, you have to have a very, you have to have amnesia. You have to forget about it because there's nothing else. There's nothing you can do about what just happened. That's over. Now, you can let it linger and it'll cost you again on Sunday. Or you can forget about that and take your frustrations on someone else Sunday. And I think that's what they're going to do.

I think, I think, you know, DQ will do a great job of rallying the troops, getting them ready to play. And I have no doubt in my mind, we'll see a team that comes out, invigorated, they'll take care of the football. Who do they play on Sunday? They'll take care of the football. But that's the one thing that you have to do a great job of is taking care of. of the football.

You see, because even when you turned the ball over, even if teams aren't very good, you bring them up to your level. Yeah, yeah, most definitely. Oh, the commanders play the Cowboys in Dallas? Wow, that's going to be a good one. They playing in Dallas?

Yep. On Sunday? Yep. That's going to be a good one. That's going to be a very good one. That's going to be a very good one. Dallas is, they want to get back on the winning track,

two teams that's losing, And they don't want to fall further behind in that division. Right. The Giants, they're like, look, the Giants, the Giants play the Broncos. Ooh, that's going to be a good one. That's going to be. The Eagles, who do the Eagles play? Or are the Eagles on the buy?

They play the bike. See, hey. Whoever, I mean, you could be sitting pretty. Because this, what we thought was going to be a foregone conclusion after the Eagles lost two games. Now all of a sudden, this division now is a toss up. The Giants, hey, the Giants are starting to feel like, hey, we got a chance. Chance, yeah.

The commanders are like, hey, we definitely got a chance. Cowboys, hey, I don't know what the Cowboys, two, three, and one. But hey, hey, you beat the commanders. Now you're three, three and one. Right back in it. And they got four losses. You got three losses in a tie. You're in front of them because you brought you beat them head to head.

Hey, that, if Minnesota can get, if Minnesota can give you some love. Yeah. Hey, Broncos help the Bronco, well, Bronco's going to help you all out. Already put that call, already going to put that call in. Baker, Baker, um, the Broncos will help you all out. You think so? Yep. You, hey, you've been real confident lately.

Y'all barely be the Jets. See, in a situation like that, you don't have to do anything. fancy okay we don't have to take unnecessary risk because they can't move the ball think about how they score they got a 72 yard kick return they got a short field a strip uh-huh and they drove the ball one time they got a safety so they got three points on things that they generated oh no we don't need to take no unnecessary risk and our best our best office was there was there with the jets offense yeah it was bad that was bad um And the funny thing, the funny thing about that was the NFL game.

If you show somebody that stat line and didn't tell them what game it was and who was playing, they would probably say maybe it's high school. Maybe it's, you know, I've never seen nothing like that. Never. But the Bears beat the commanders. So now it's a matchup that we're going to see going forward. They're one in one last year, Jaden Daniels on a Hail Mary, wins it on a walkoff.

This time Caleb Williams, drives his ball club down, gets them in position, and they kick a walk-off field goal, 25-24, the Bears beat the commanders. A game two, Atlanta Falcons, took down the Buffalo Bills by the score of 2414. Boy, that Bijon Robinson was something special to nigh-I-I-I. He was on one.

He was in his bag tonight. Yeah, he was. Go ahead. Now, I'm going to say he was in his bag. We need to have a conversation on. We need to have a conversation. We always talk about the top five backs. He was always in the discussion, for sure.

He was always in the discussion. Based on his small sample size and body of work so far this season, I mean. Well, this season, he's been the best. He and Jonathan Taylor have been the two kids. Okay, I just want to make sure we go on the same page because that's what we're going to discuss and having that conversation with him being the best right now. you know i mean he damn they ran then wait what that my camera went out oh that was you what what is me something went out uh michael pennies junior was 20 of 32 251 touchdown um no picks bjohn robinson random ball 19 times for 170 yards and his career long 81 yard touchdown

run alger had 10 carries for 32 yards and a touchdown drake london 10 for 158 and a touchdown he almost got another one right before the half, but they replayed, reviewed it, like they do all scoring and turnover plays. And it was deemed he stepped out at the one yard line. Bijon Robinson had six, had six receptions for 68 yards. He's, well, look, he could do it all. Now, versatile, hey, he's smooth.

Oh, man, I love how silky smooth is. He put that foot in the dirt. He's coming downhill. He's going to juke somebody in the hole. He's feathery. He's a pleasure to watch. Josh Allen did not have an MVP night. He was 15 or 26, 1802 touchdowns, but he threw two costly interceptions.

The Falcons got after him. They sacked him four times. I was surprised, oh, Joe, James Cook ran the ball extremely well, especially in the second half. James Cook had 17 carries for 87 yards. Josh Allen had six carries for 42 yards. I was surprised at how they started the game off. I thought they would run James Cook a little more early. It seemed that in the second half, they can't.

came out and made a concerted effort to run him and give him the ball. And you see the numbers are indicative of that. But give the Falcons credit, I thought their defense bowed their back when they needed to bow their back. They picked them off late in the ball game to seal the victory. Look, they were going to have to score touchdown, get the onside kick, and then still getting field goal range with under 50 seconds left in the ball game. Which is going to be a tall task.

It's not impossible, but we don't have to worry about that because the ball got tip and the backer picked it off. So with that being said, watching, did you see, did you get an opportunity to see some of this game? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was watching everything on my phone. I mean, oh, okay. I couldn't, I couldn't hear what was going on. But I was watching. Yeah, you didn't need to hear.

You need to hear. The Falcons. Falcons now are three and two. The Falcons could easily, they could have been able to beat Tampa. Yeah. What, I forgot. What happened that Tampa game? Youngway Coe missed those shots.

He missed the guys. He missed the kicks. That's right. That's like, oh, man, I can't believe they cut my dog, man. What you mean you can't believe it? I mean, that's my homie. You know, I mean, he were cutting the food last year.

Hey, well, he missed some old but here's the thing. When you, you know, being a kicker is tough. once he goes on Cho you see the kicker in San Fran he lit last year they brought him back he kicked the game one of the night for the Bears

but sometimes you need to change of scenery and I think somebody picked up coat or didn't somebody pick him up he's on somebody's practice squad but Buffalo did not look good tonight

I think they came out trying to throw the ball maybe it was because the Falcons and maybe it wasn't so much what they did didn't do as opposed to what the Falcons did do. Right. Yeah, okay. 22 first down to 17, Falcons favor. They were two of nine on third down, Buffalo was.

Atlanta was five or 12. Atlanta had 443 yards of total offense. Buffalo had 291. P penalties, eight for 64, six for 35, but it was the two turnovers. When you turn the ball over, you're asking, you're asking somebody to beat your and that's what the that's what that's what that's what the that's what the falcons did like hey you know when you were young to hey go out there and get me a switch yeah a funny thing too about it when I think about the Falcons obviously

being three and two Michael Pennock Jr. doesn't have to do that much even though they have Kyle Pitts they have Drake London Railway McLeod and what and other weapons as well but when he's not Robinson running the goddamn ball the way he's running it takes all the pressure off the quarterback. The quarterback doesn't have to do much except in certain situations, third downs where obviously you have to throw the ball when they know you're running.

But B. John Robinson is playing so goddamn well where I don't think he, I don't think people understand as good as he is. The conversation is obviously him being the best back in the league, even when everyone else gets back to rhythm and getting him flow, including Sequin and Christian McCaffrey and Derek Henry, a conversation still needs to be had with Bejohn being in that top five,

which, I mean, they were wrong about it, unless you're a Falcons fan, you know, last year. But I mean, collectively as a whole, where all NFL fans are in agreement that he's a top five back in his league. What a difference is is that you saw a lot of Sequin on national televised games last year. You saw Christian McCaffrey. You saw Derek Henry. Derek Henry. You don't really get an opportunity to see a whole lot of Falcons.

game. So he had a breakout game tonight and people get an opportunity to see what you've been seeing and what we see that watch the games a little bit more closely other than, you know, teams that we root for. So we know what Bejohn Robinson is. We know he can run to football. We know he's a lucid. He's a versatile back. He can run inside. He can run with power. He can run with speed. He can catch it. So we know maybe maybe the casual fan is just getting hip to Be John Robinson. Obviously, Falcon fans and people in Atlanta know exactly who and what he is. But maybe now the outside world is just not getting an opportunity to catch up because they have had some televised games. And that's what you need. Sometimes you need televised games

because if you are one of those guys that don't, that doesn't play in necessarily a big market or you have a Monday night, a Sunday night game, people are not, or you're in the big game, you're in the big game, you're in the big one o'clock game, or you're in the big one o'clock game, unless you play in those games, which they're not, because normally that's reserved for the Cowboys, that's reserved for the Eagles. That's reserved for the, you know, teams like that. Or Pittsburgh or the Ravens or Baltimore, things like that. But the Falcons, and if they win, if they continue to win, the following year, normally what happens, you win.

And then the following year, Ocho, that's when you get the game that are televised. Because they normally reward you a year, a year later. Now, maybe, who knows, maybe the, the Falcons get flexed. And we see them on a Sunday night. Or we see them in a situation like this. But Bejohn is, yeah, he that dude. He that dude. He nice.

How many rush attempts? Can we look up as right quick? How many Russia Tims did? 17. James Cook had in the first half compared to the second half. Because it seemed to me, I could be wrong, that he ran more in the second half than he did the first half. I mean, 24 Russia Tim.

Well, they only had the ball, like 50 plays. I was right, right? Yeah, seven in the first half, 10 in the second half. Yeah, I know I was right. But I think, and it wasn't like, because they tossed the ball to to Bejohn, and he went 81 yards. And so that didn't take long until you got the ball back. It wasn't like they was having these grinded out drives.

that, you know, 12, 14 plays, 16 plays, 20 plays, 18, 19 play drives. They didn't have any of those. So Buffalo got to get back to the drawing board. Their defense is, is their offense is their defense. Yeah. Josh Allen normally has to wear that cape. Yes. And when he doesn't wear that cape, they're a very average football team.

And that's how most, that's how most teams are driven. You look at Lamar, when he doesn't, when he doesn't have that cape on, now he has a big brain him back, but you still have to pay attention to number eight. Mahomes, he normally has to play, play great in order for them to win. And that's how the teams are situated now. You pay this so much money in those guys. And when they don't play well, they look very marginal. It looked very average.

Yeah. And that's what happened tonight. Buffalo didn't look good tonight. Buffalo hadn't looked good. I don't think the last two games. I think this is the second game they've lost, right? So this is back-to-back losses for them, Mocho. and they haven't looked good in either game.

Sean McNermy's going to have to do better. They're going to be on the hot seat. You think so? Absolutely. Absolutely. Hold on. Wait a minute. Now, we talk about the Buffalo Bills.

Yeah, we talk about the Buffalo Bills. And they just got, they just got approved for new funding for a new stadium. Right. They've been, he's been the coach. He's a defensive coordinator. They got rid of Leslie Frazier. Yes. And at some point in time, the Pagoolers, they're going to want a return on that investment, which means getting to the Super Bowl.

I'm tired of being the bribes made. I'm tired of attending everybody else's wedding and everybody else is getting married, except I. Yeah. I just don't see it. Maybe you see it a little different than me. Maybe you see it a little differently than I do. When I look at the bills, obviously, they're going to always come out to the ASE East. They can only do that.

They're always going to be in contention. so there's a chance that if they will be maybe in the ASC championship, but I wouldn't see the baguola is pulling the trigger that fast knowing that you already have a quarterback in place. Yes, it gets somebody else to coach you. You think so? So at what point in time do I keep hitting my head on the ceiling and realize this is how as I can go?

Damn, huh? Because look, I don't care how big an animal is supposed to get, but if you can find him into an environment, he's only going to get so big. He'll grow to the customer. some fines of that environment right maybe maybe and I don't advocate anyone losing their job Sean McDermott is taking them as far as he can take him uh I mean at some point it happened Tony Dungey got fired oh yeah I remember the but and John Gruden did what and came in the first year

and did what was football okay we saw that with Mark Jackson and the Golden State Warriors we see that a lot we saw that with field Jackson with the Lakers it happens I don't know, especially a team like that, that's so high power when Josh Allen is on, there are certain mistakes that they can't make in the playoffs that have haunted them. And most of the time, I hate the fact that the coach to get blamed for the mistakes that the players make and important games where moments matter most. But I kind of get what you're saying, but I kind of don't because they're so good when Josh Allen is on. when he's all I'm not I didn't pay a guy $300 million for the regular season that's not what I

that's not what I gave him $260 plus million dollars fully guaranteed for right he's already been to the how many times he's been to the championship game and we see them he keeps losing to who be at Kansas City at home or on the road it does not matter yeah you got to get over there Look, the Pagoolahs, the Pagulas, they got that, they got a funding for a new stadium. They're going to have a new stadium in Buffalo. Yeah. And I know, look, when he wins 10 games, that's not good, 12 games, that's not good enough. They have underachieved.

They got one of, no matter what you think of him, they got, have to have one of the three best quarterbacks in football. And they've had this type of high-powered offense for the longest. Yes. And every year that they don't get it done, this was supposed to be the year, they take down Patrick Mahomes. This was supposed to be the year. Remember, Buffalo went in there and beat him. They had, oh, we want Patrick Mahomes. We got Patrick Mahomes. He got to come to Buffalo. He went to Buffalo put puts in him. They go to Kansas City. He put foot in him. So it doesn't matter. At some point in time, Ocho, we've got to, we've got to get to the promise. Yeah, I guess. I'm telling you. Okay. I remember people told me I was crazy when I said

P.M. State is going to get tired of James Franklin. Now, the AD said exactly what I said. It played a role that he couldn't beat the big time teams. He beat one team in the top 10 in the big 10. And that was 2016 when he beat Ohio State. He's four and 21 against top 10 opponents. I'm afraid they're going to get tired of that. Now you can't beat the team that you can't beat the big time teams. And now you're losing the team you should never lose to lose to. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, man, man, man, you reach it. He was just in the college football playoff last year. Now where is he at now? Yeah. We're going to talk up we're going to talk about we're going to talk about that. We're talking about it a little later. But I'm telling you, Ocho, these owners, they see in order to to, to beat the man. got to feel you have a man.

Yeah. They feel they got a guy that can go toe to toe to with Patrick Mahomes. They feel they got a guy that can go toe to toe to toe with Lamar Jackson, with Joe Burrow, whatever quarterback that you have in the AFC that you're going to need to stand toe to toe to toe with and come out

of the AFC to get to the Super Bowl. They feel they got one in six foot five, 245 pounds, Josh Allen. Yes, sir. Now, the baguolas want to know why we keep coming up short. okay I hate that

I hate that the owners always falls back on the coach especially in games like that especially in playoffs where you're turning the ball over where you're fumbling and you know the coach he can't he can't

he got no control over that but I mean that's the business that's the way it works I mean so let me ask you a question yeah did they give Sean McVe credit for when they won the Super Bowl

yeah yeah okay Okay, okay, I got it. They didn't give Coach Belichick any credit for winning them Super Bowls. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can't get all the credit when things go well and then we don't want any of the blame when they don't. But guess what?

What you just said, now you said the quarterback, the coach don't fumble the ball and he don't do this and that. But when they win, he don't throw no touchdowns either. He don't get no sacks. He don't get no script sacks, no scooping scores. But he gets credit. It's funny how they work, huh? Yeah. It absolutely is.

But I definitely did not see, I didn't see, I didn't see Buffalo struggling early. Especially after the way they came back in that game, that game, the first game against the Ravens, I thought they, I was like, okay. And you're looking at the schedule, like, okay. And it's really not surprising that it did. No Lamar played, but seeing how the Ravens have looked since that game, it's not surprising that they did come back and win that. Okay. It was only a matter of time before the scabble and that came off

and everything was exposed defensively. Now, having Lamar out, it just shows how valuable he is and how he's taking a team that just is God awful, which still not. They're just playing bad right now. No, the defense is bad. even though now their defense had their best game on Sunday yeah because the rams are really good offensively you got puka they got devonte they got higbee tied in karen williams can run the football we know matthew staffer can throw it with the best quarterbacks in the NFL and that

defense is really really good the rams got a really good defense I thought the ravens played their best game defensively they got no help offensively especially from the quarterback position Cooper Rush was awful. I mean, I'm not breaking news to anybody, and everybody knows that. He's been awful. Everybody thinks they have a great backup until the backup actually has to play. There's a reason the backup is the backup, huh? Yeah, you come in off the bench, Ocho, the start it goes down somewhere in the game,

and you come in like, oh, yeah, we got us a backup. But what happened when he has to play for an extended period of time, which Cooper Rush has had to do? Yeah. It'd be nice to have one that can keep your team head above water. That's all you need. That's it. But it's hard, though.

It's hard, Ocho, for the simple fact is that you can't, you know, you used to have a guy that was, you know, eight, nine, ten years in the league. You could pay him a decent salary. Now, you got to, like, hope a guy can develop on your bench. Or you get a guy that was a career backup. up a career journeyman or something like that it's hard like think about it steve young was on the 49ers he just sought for years and years and years and years and years you ain't that ain't nobody doing that no more oh joe he sat for like he sat for four right four no hell no he got there like 87 he sought 88 89 90 91 joe got hurt in 92 okay and he won the MVP they traded joe in

93. Dang. So he sought for about six years. Joe went to Kansas City, huh? He did. Yeah. He did. Oh, that's crazy.

Oh, Joe, the NFL suspended Brian Branch for one game for hitting Joe Smith, Ju-Jew Smith, excuse me. Branch stand to forfeit $76,624 for his one-game suspension. Branch is appealing the suspension. NFL, the vice president of football. Football operation, John Runyon. Boy, boy, this ain't something. John, your aggressive non-football acts

was entirely unwarranted. Poised to a serious risk of injury and clearly violated the standard of conduct and sportsmanship expected of NFL players. Your conduct reflected poorly on the NFL and has no place in our game. Branch, I did a little childish thing. But I'm tired of people do a little childish thing.

Okay, but I'm tired of people doing stuff between the players and the ref don't catch it. They be trying to bully me out there and I don't, I shouldn't have to have deal what I did. It was childish. Come on, come on, bro. Hey. You know how this.

You play football too long. Oh, Joe, we know how to get somebody back. Oh, yeah. They're doing stuff to us to make it look like a plate. Yeah. Oh, you doing this after that wasn't, no, no, that was reckless, bro. And I understand we're human. There's a human element of it.

But what you should have done is just walked onto the locker room. You already know you're boiling. You know that, Ocho. Just go. Head to the locker room because you did all that talking. Now, think about how when they winning, let me ask you a question. Had they won, do you think he would have done that? If the same thing, if the same course of action,

he said juju hit him in his back and it was right there in front of the referee and the rough didn't do anything. Had they won this game, Ocho, do you believe Brian Branch would have acted in the matter in which he acted? No, I don't think so. But I think, you know, you know what else happened? He was antagonized him, not only all game. The toss crack he came down.

He caught Brian Branch, Brian Branch. Obviously, you got to know, you got to know that somebody got to call that out too. Yes. Somebody got to call it. They didn't call it out. He got Brian real good on. He hit him right in the side of the air hole. Yes.

After the game, goddamn juju must have been antagonizing during the game. He had the nerve to come up and try to shake his hand. Yeah. He was playing games in the game. Man, stop. Hey, bro, how you do? Hey, Ocho, no hard feeling.

Whatever happened in the game, having it in the game, we leave it in the game, Ocho. Right, hold on. What's that? If it's in the game, it's in the game. Game, yeah. EA. EA.

Okay. If it's in the game, it's in the game. We left it in the game. That might be personal, huh? That might be personal. Think about what they should have been stealing on us. I should have been getting steal on that every game because all I did was talk.

Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. Oh, Cho, think about all you did was talk. Yeah. But see, you see, your talk, man, you know, our stuff, well, my stuff, my stuff wasn't malicious. My stuff was fun. Yours, I don't know if yours was different. It all depends how you, how you wanted, what you wanted to talk about.

right so we could take it there oh we could take it there hey but listen you want to make it personal we'll make it personal right if you want to keep it if you want to keep it about athletic ability you're not very good right and take it there but if you want to take it to another place we can go there too hey I don't hey I'm gonna make sure whatever you give me I'm gonna give it back to your plus shipping and handling because I need to make sure you get it yeah oh man And like I said, with the exception of B-Cocs, anybody that did something dirty to me in the game,

I got their ass back. I made it look just like a play. For parapet, hey, do I cut a dude in the charges, put him out for the rest of the year. I will get you back. Man, you and my knee, hey, I got a family to feed. You didn't think about that, my family. You don't give a damn about my family.

I give less than a damn about yours. Right, I can't play with them knees though. I can. I can play with you. He played with my knees. Yeah. It's a game. Don't you want to play this game,

Boucho? Yeah, I understand. But you know, once that knee go out, you know, most of the time, you're never the same. Unless you,

Adrian Peterson, you ain't never the same. He didn't think about that when he hit me in my knee. Yeah, I got you. I got you. So you want me to think about his needs

when he gave less than a damn about mine. Hey, just a thought of that. So what about my grandma? What about my sister? What about my kids? Hey. Now, I'm going to get you back.

I'm going to get you back. I'm not going to hurt my team. I'm not going to get a penalty to hurt my team. But I will get you. Oh, guess what? You got a teammate. I get him. Right.

Y'all know how they're up in the family. You and the family in the streets. If I can't get you, I get somebody close to you. Okay. Okay. You sound like you sound like, you sound like one of the Y-Ns now. Okay. No, hey, all I, hey, how we do, all I needed to know at the game, how are we doing this?

Snap the whistle or snap to after the whistle, because I can do it either way. It don't make me no, never mind. Right. So, ah, you're not going to do that. You're not going to cheap shot me and think I ain't going to get you back. Well, I think we played, we played the Falcons one time, man, and they caught me with that cheap shot. I think whoever the defense coordinator was that time in 2007, they told them to do that.

They told whoever the safety was at that time. I can't remember the safety's name. I mean, the play was clearly over, and the head coach, whoever the deep coordinator, maybe the head coach, I need y'all to get Chad off his game. Just hit him after the play. I'm talking about, uncle, walking back to the huddle.

Dude, came full speed. Full speed, clean my clock. And the rep came and grabbed me. So that's how y'all want to play? Hey, that's how we're going to play? Well, obviously, I wasn't a physically imposing type player. But, man, I let their ass up after that. Oh.

I lit it. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, oh, I, man, I had, oh, yeah, I had me a day. Oh, we, uh, we, uh, we had a, what you call them, uh, we, as a matter of fact, we're playing the bingles. Don't do that. Don't do that. No, it wasn't.

It wasn't us. It wasn't us. I took out the whole defensive line. I did a text block. How you took out everybody? They tripped up. They had to. Whop, wop, wop.

Leg whip everything. I got the guy that was, I got the guy that was inside of me. I crossed, crossbody him, and then I leg whipped the guy that tried to jump, got him. Wait, they ain't called a leg whip,

or they didn't? Yeah, they must not have been used to have seen it back then. No, where. I'm going to get you back, Ocho. I got to. It's a must. Yeah.

I'll forget my, I forget my, damn, man, my bad. I thought I was blocking. Yeah. John doesn't zoom one by my ear. I'm just going to get, I'm going to get the corner. Oh, yeah. I'm trying, uh, ask, look at 97 and see who the starting cornerback was for, uh, outside of, uh, Dale Carter.

And I forget the other guy. But man being him was in New Orleans, no, he was at Kansas City, 97 starter. And he was, we used to battle. Warfield, right? Nah, oh, he was, yeah, he was there. I think that was like 2000, though, so that was the 2000. Okay, I'm tripping, my bad. No, no, they had them got soft then, but, you know, dealing with D.C.

And the other dude, uh, what's this? I can't think of his name. Oh, man. Oh, we used to, oh, we used to battle, Ocho. Oh, when I say we battle? Yeah. I mean, sometimes, hey, they would just put me outside, say, we don't want you to just run him over.

Just fight him. Okay. Hey, hey, just give me, just give me a couple of passes. Let me keep my, let me keep my streak alive. One catch a game. Right. I'm good. How do you want to do it?

Hey. D.C. was the left corner. Who was the right corner? James Hasty. Oh, I remember James Hasty. James Hasty. Hey. Hey, we asked him.

Hey, Chad, ask me and Hasty used to battle. Hey, yeah, because he tried to poke the receivers. I'm not it. Not me. Hey, James Hasty. I turn to my face. S-H-R-P-E. I don't play them games.

So you was there with Dave. Remember I caught Dale Carter with the Ravens with Prime? Yeah. I played a year with DC and Denver. I mean, yeah, he came to us. DC came. What year was DC? Like 90, like mid-90s, like 95, 96.

And then he played with me. But, you know, meet him and hasty. You know, a homeboy. Yeah. Just ain't just, hey, let's make sure we. stay home boy if they got nothing to do with you they got to do with him right me and me and what you call them felt me and d t fell out by that rest of soul derrick thomas i was getting into it with wayne simmons right i made sure i never cut d t never never tried to crack back on him

or anything me and wayne simmons getting into it he came it's i'm like wow whoa i say i say d t This ain't got nothing to do with you. Let leave that alone. Well, it got something to do with me now. Uh-oh. Yes. I said, let's not. Hey, on Joe, I say, I say, bro, bro, this ain't your fight.

Right, right. Let his, Wayne Simmons, rest his soul. He had tragically lost his life in an automobile, an automobile accident. Yeah. But bro, once I go in, it's a rap. He's on. Pittsburgh, Earl, Earl, what was the dude name? Earl Holmes.

Earl Holmes. Oh, he snuck and got me too. He got me though. He got me. Oh, man, that joke was got it. If you go back and look at it, I was miced up. And we scored a touchdown, and I went to him. I said, we're going to take advantage of you.

you the weak link right you that's you her was the mic back right or was the mic back back back yeah he was he was he was a plug right because you know back then they ran to three four oh that's right so he yeah they had the mic the plug to sam and the will oh yeah he got me but but he said this this was a bro no a child is somebody walking off and you kick the back of their foot and they trip this ain't no child is that That's grown man behavior. Bro, you know why they got it? Yeah.

Because the whole world is watching that game. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And they tried to go to commercial and they get this no, though. We can't go to commercial. We can't go to commercial now. Everybody see that. Yeah. And you saw the picture of Juju, it looked like, but yeah.

I got the, Ocho, that's a meme. Oh, man, come on now. Hey, hey, they, ain't that rolled a little scuffle, every blue moon. Every blue moon, keep it, keep it excited, keep it excited. Every one. Boy, you think you for, boy, you think you for to shove me in my face and I'm just going to just let that walk.

We're both. The only thing I hate juju, congratulations, juju, you're able to do it. Yeah. Hey, everybody keep your hands to yourself. Mm-hmm. That's the number one rule. Keep your hands to yourself.

You ain't got no kids this age. Mm-mm. So don't put your hands on me. Boy, a whole new football game would have been played on that field. I don't know if that field, that turf got tore up. Right.

But it got tore up that after that. And Juju, Juju came like, he was like, he ain't come in on the food. Because, come on, man, Pacheco got the dude. And the dude grabbed your face mask and still throw you down? Hey, oh, no. Hey. Good ain't nothing like a good old squabble. It's about talking about Lee, uh, lead podcast, the state of podcast and lead football to real men.

I guess you didn't know what I did before I started podcasting. I don't know if he's going to win this appeal. I mean, oh, that's a lot of money, Ocho, that's 70. That's a game check that's taken away from him. Wait, how much? I don't, $76,000. $76,000, $6.24, a game check. I know he's going to get a game for that.

Also, the whole world saw that. Yeah. it's the same thing with uh uh carter jelan carter jellan carter had it happened in the game he'd have got suspended but because he got ejected and when you get ejected x y and z that's why they didn't suspend him oh i already knew he was getting the game he was going to get that game and the whole world saw that they watching they might they might be a NFL ain't going to let you, ain't going to let you, uh, they don't do everything they can to protect that shield, Ocho. You know that.

Oh, wait, they might. If they find you for your socks roll down. Oh, Cho, how many times you think I've got fined for socks roll down? Now they let the guys cut their jersey. We tried to cut our jersey. That was $5,000. Y'all owe me about $150 back. Hey, right, listen, I cut mine and had it sold.

It had it sold, so it stopped right at the waistline. Yes. Got in trouble for that, got in trouble for my son. socks being too low, got in trouble for wearing gold cleats. I used to cut the towel in the bathroom. Yeah. They made a little streamer hanging out hanging off. No, you can't hang in a note. It's got to be

an NFL issue. And listen, I take the fine. The black chin strap, the orange chin strap. Man, man. Yeah, they don't let you have them now because I used to have a blue I got a white one, but I used to have a blue one. Yeah. I ain't, I didn't feel like a man. That's my, uh, is this my last? I acted right when I acted right when I got to, uh, guys, this is how it normally

works in an NFL game. If you cheap shot somebody, they go to hell and beyond, to get you back. But in the process of that, they make it look. Now, sometimes they just don't give a damn. They're just like, I'm going to take the 15-yard penalty.

I wasn't really to put my team in harm's way by taking a 15-yard penalty. So now I got to get your ass back, but I got to make it look like I'm blocking you. But I'm going to get you back. That's me. When you do, when you take it here after there's no play going on,

Ocho, everybody's decompressed. Hey, boy, how you doing, man? Good to see you, man, man. Hey, good game, man. Ocho, man, you balling day. Hey, man, congratulations to a big group. Hey, we'll see y'all down the road. We'll see y'all again, so forth and so on.

So ain't nobody thinking about that. Right. Once the game's over, I'm done. Now, if I'm ticked off about something, I'm going straight to the locker room. I'm not mingling around because I already know. See, me, Ocho, I'm a terrible loser. I'm a worse winner. So you've been talking about.

talking. Oh, you've been talking, talking? And we win? Oh, I got to steal it out there, Ocho. I got to stay out there. Yeah. And, you know, and Brian Brant's defense, obviously the game was over. It usually went up to him. So in a sense, he damned there provoked him. Ocho, the band stuck his hand out. All you had to do was walk by. So if somebody walked by to shake your hand and they mush you in the face, you provoke them, Ocho, because you stuck your hand out. You see how that look, you see how that sound. You stick your hand to shake somebody's hand they must you in your face yeah I know how the optics of it look but I also know they got damn those folks in that that appeal office whoever you got appealed to they

seen the goddamn game uh James thrash and uh Brooks so Merton Hanks don't do it no moe uh yeah Merton uh uh runyon took uh uh John Runyon took Merton's yeah goddamn age but but thrash so you you appealed either to James Trash or Brooks, Derek D.B. Brooksie. And then it goes to Surranyan, hands it out, and then you appeal it to thrash and Brooks. Okay. But just, bro, he got you.

So let me ask you a question, Ocho. You think that's the first time that Brian Branch has ever been hitting a clip in the back? Oh, probably, probably not. A toss crack? No, no, absolutely not. But I think it's the first. If you play safety, of course.

Yeah, but Juju is one who's known to get under people's skin. He's done it before. Yes. And he got him good. To get Brian Branch to break characters like that in a game, not only during the game, but after the game as well, like, you know it had to be something serious. Well, he couldn't play.

He couldn't play it in the 90s and the 2000, because what was he going to do with Heinz Ward? Oh, oh, man. Like, what was he going to do with Heinz Ward? No, that's a different ball game. so he he upset about juju yeah they changed the rule because of hines ward yeah remember what juju did the perfect remember you got perfect yes i remember i remember what hines did to keith rivers and broke his jaw yeah yes yeah they outlawed the blindside

block because of him sap was the one that they put the defense can't crack back on because when sap got Chad Clifton and I think he what he just dislocated his hip that sound familiar Chad Clifton he was an offensive lineman okay Tampa got a pick he was chasing and sap peeled back ah I think he dislocated his hip that's why him and um the head coach was going into it and sap told him you so tough put a helmet on you're so tough put a helmet on I remember that game. I remember that game. Yeah.

Remember the game. Bad it's, if it's football, God, oh, Joe, you know you're going to get, you're going to get clipped, you're going to get hit. Thanks. It's football. Something going to happen. Once the game is over, if I didn't get your ass back in that game, right. Hopefully it's a division opponent because I see your ass again, either at your place or ours. And I'm going to remember, too.

I'm not going to. Oh. I'm like an other, but I won't forget it. Yeah. Hey, the best memory of all. It's get back. But I look, I think the thing is that just take ownership. You see how Dan Campbell was.

Dan Campbell said, I love him. He said that that isn't who we are. Right. Take, but, hey, just take ownership of it. It was my bad. I let my emotions get the best of me. You want to appeal it? I got no problem.

Yes, appeal it. Right. But to say this was a little childish thing. Let's have a little sound, a little sub. Let's calm. La, da, da, da, da. Hey, Ocho, after Tua dined out his teammates during last night press conference, Mike McDaniel said today, he believes Tua could have handled things differently.

Yeah, by not throwing three interceptions. Let's take a listen to what the head coach had to say. After a loss as the franchise quarterback, that's not the forum to displace that. I think he knows that now I do honestly believe it was not. There's no ill intention, but you're talking about, you know, I think kind of a misguided representation of player orchestrated film sessions. and, you know, the bottom line is no one's going to be happy and always is looking for reasons for failure to succeed. So you're trying to look for reasons that, you know, you can attribute to losses.

And there's a, you know, heavy as the crown of being a franchise quarterback. I think, you know, what I do know is that he's directly communicated with a lot of guys. started with last night and that's what team teammates do and um you uh you live and you learn and what's wrong with mike huh he beat bro he knows it's over ocho he knows it's over i know it just it just something it just doesn't seem right you know not not only that with the way you losing and you know after the end of the year it might become before the end of the year. You see, we're going to talk about the Tennessee situation, how Callahan, after a year and a half, he got dismissed, which is seemingly not shocking. Because if you go look at most

of the last number one overall draft picks in the last 10 years, only two coaches have remained the entire season. And they were fired, and one of them was fired after the season. So with that being said to a film study if film study if this is something that you guys instituted you being a captain you're responsible for making sure everybody shows up and how important it is to be on time that's not mac mac don't know if they show up late to his meeting they ain't got nothing to do it yeah yeah you try to say hey come on guys let's be professional let's be pros profession is our occupation

we're professional football players a pro is how we go about our business we show up on time that now if you had team individual let's say wire receivers you got film study

or we got film study as an office as the captain is my job to make sure and explain it clearly concise it starts at this time. Guys, this kind of what got us in this situation, we started letting things slip. We started letting one minute, turn to two minutes, turn to three minutes, turn to five

minutes, and guys started walking theirself eight, nine, ten minutes after. We see guys start coming, you know, running on the field with the pads on thing. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That wouldn't happen. That can't happen. And so you have to make them have to hope they understand the importance, but it's hard because I don't think people look at Tua as a leader. That's his problem. Hey, you know what? I have to say something. If they didn't see two as a quarterback number one, if they didn't see two as a leader, then they wouldn't have paid him, but they paid him, huh? No. Tell me what choice they have. Now, Brian Flores wanted Justin Herbert the owner wanted to her so guess who won could you imagine Brian

Florida didn't play that Brian Flores came from Bill Belichick you know damn well you're not walking in the team meeting you're not walking the individual meeting you're not walking in the meetings late you're not walking into practice late you're gonna be at the plane on time but they didn't like that that was too difficult so that this is what you got yeah former Dolph is wide receiver Deshawn Hamilton says Tua himself showed up late for the first team meeting and nobody seemed to care. Doesn't seem like his fellow players respect him or see Tua as the leader of the team. Ooh. Who said from the outside? Look at Ian. He played with Tua. Who said that? What's the name?

A former teammate, Deshaun Hamilton. Damn, man. That's not good when they come out talking, talk and talking about you. Like, all I know as a former. NFL player with 14 seasons under my belt and being a leader I know what leadership looks like and I know when people respect you as such right they don't now they're going to come out listen they're going to come out and say all the things they're going to say you know everything is cool but they don't right I've been there I've said things about a locker room and everybody attacked me and then after the season it started leaking out yeah blah blah blah and blah, blah, blah, blah, and blah, blah.

Hey, I'm going to take it on the channel. Oh, hey. They don't. They don't. I promise you, it wasn't very often when things weren't going well. Hey, guys, let's have a quick meeting. Right. Ideas, wire receiver, let's meet right quick.

Hey, let's get together as an offensive group. Never, no call outs. No, we have to call nobody out. But everybody, hey, we got a, hey, we got a quick meeting such and such. hey, after everybody walk out the field, hey, hold on for just a second. Right. But that was a respect level that they have to have for you, but you can't ask more than you're willing to give.

See, you can't ask somebody to be on time and then you show up late. You can't ask somebody to give their all and you don't. You can't ask somebody to take a needle to the butt, to the knee, to the back, to whatever, to the shoulders, to the ribs, when you won't. Right. You never ask more than you're willing to give yourself. Don't ask somebody to come in in shape. your fat ass out of shape.

That's how I operate. It's really simple. Guys know, man, look, I already no sharp going to be on time. I already no sharp. And it's getting his rest. I already no sharp studying his stuff. That's how you got to lead.

See, everything to us said could have been true. But you can't say that after you turned the ball over three times. Because it make it seem like you didn't take your ass to the meeting because you were throwing the ball right to him. You see how to see? timing have a lot to do with when and what you say, Ocho. Right. You can't, now, if two goals out there, Ocho, he throws for 400, got four touchdowns.

Oh, he good. He go out there and you throw three pigs. So I want to know, but them guys coming in late to meeting, them guys not coming to meeting, how did that cost you, cause you to throw your three interceptions? Hmm. That's, I just don't believe it. I could be totally wrong.

I doubt it. I don't believe the bulk of those guys look at him as the true leader of that team. Let me ask you a question. If Patrick Mahon called the team meeting and says, okay, guys, I want to receive blah, blah, blah, blah. You think they're coming in late? No. If Lamar Jackson calls that, if Josh Allen,

because you said he's a franchise quarterback, franchise quarterbacks call things people show up right yeah it didn't do him any any what was his quote about whether he lose he goes home to his kids and they're happy to see him yeah yeah yeah yeah no matter what even though that might be true you can't say that right and that's tough that's tough especially especially the part about your players your players that in a locker room that is supposed to view you, listen, they voted you captain. If everybody voted you captain, I'm assuming it was you. Boy, stop, but you know good and damn well how that, that rig voted system.

I don't know. I don't know. I just never seen, never seen a team or, or I think more stuff is going to come out. More stuff is going to unravel as, as things get worse, you know. I mean, they can only go up from here. also i'm not on social media i go home see my kids whether i throw five picks or five touchdowns we win the game we lose the game i get to come home to my kids who are happy to see me every time well you think i want to hear that no no i'm happy you get to go home i'm happy you get to go home i'm happy that it does i'm sad i'm disappointed that it don't bother you because guess what it bothers me because i knew what i put in so that tells me you're not putting enough in because when

you put something in, Ocho, chat, you know this. When you put something in, when you work really, really hard for something and it doesn't go well, it bothers you. Yeah. And for it, not to bother him. Yeah. That's that. That's the, no.

Now, see, I'm going to have a problem with him, Ocho. I'm going to have a problem because it's got to matter to you. Yeah. It's got a matter. And it don't matter enough to it. Well, listen, listen, every, every, everything matters. to different people in different ways. Some can't handle it and show it in different ways,

huh? You know, somebody might, my tool might show here is a little different than you show yours. You might be a little bit more, more boisterous, a little boisterous. Name a great player. I'll tell you what, go interview any great player.

Right. In anything, in business, they work really, really hard to close this deal. Yes. It didn't close. As any great. talking about trying. I mean, I would like to think he's trying to be great. They're paying him to be great. Absolutely. Name the great player that have failed at something. And they, well, I got to go home to my kids.

Hmm. I don't like the way he said like that. I'm just saying. It's funny. It's funny how I hear people and I hear these people that's worth billions and billions of dollars they built these companies. They say, guys, you expect to work 36 to 40 hours a week. You expect to have this X, Y, and Z, and be great and have this enormous wealth and have work-life balance? Mm-hmm. If you don't work, if you won't work-life balance, that's fine. That's fine. But I just, just go talk to the great.

Ask Michael Jordan, how he felt when he lost. As Colby, as Ron, as John Elway, as Peyton, as Tom Brady, as Rick, ask any of the greats, because I think that's what he aspires to be. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's what you play the game for. But also, let's just say for the sake of argument,

that's the case. Don't say that. Mm-hmm. Everything, see, everything is not meant to be said. You might feel a certain way about a certain thing. Mm-hmm. Just keep it to yourself. because you know how a lot of guys

because a lot of guys it bothers them to lose because they put a lot into it. That's not to say to it, don't. Just keep that to yourself. Yeah. It's going to be tough, man.

I hope Mike McDaniels make it. I don't know if he is. If he's going to make it, it's all going to be on two his shoulders. You know, as two it goes, the rest of that team goes, especially offensively. You let one see. let one slip away from you last week. Hey, something's going to have to turn around. I think, Ocho, yeah.

I don't think Mike McDaniels going to be there next year. No. The question is, the next coach, you got money tied up in him. How can that, does the next coach believe? Because here's the thing, they're probably going to say, what can you do with Tuba? Because you know that's what happens, Ocho.

Yeah. Everybody covered in there. I can do this. I can get this out of them. I can make him blah, blah, blah, blah. Everybody is selling. They're going to sell a dream every time. You know what?

They're going to sell a dream every time. You know what?