Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Brady/Belichick reunion, Mayo’s lack of discipline, McDaniel loses locker room

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to reports that Tom Brady could offer Bill Belichick the power and control to leave UNC and join the Las Vegas Raiders. Later, Unc and Och...o discuss reports that former HC of the New England Patriots, Jerod Mayo, “struggled with discipline and how to enforce it” and Pats players “lost faith” in Mayo during season, Miami Dolphins HC Mike McDaniel says that some players have been repeatedly late this year and fined multiple times, but the fines have not been effective as a form of discipline at all and much more!03:13 - Show start03:36 - Intro06:10 - Cavs v Thunder16:50 - Belichick to the Raiders?32:43 - Jerod Mayo45:54 - Mike McDaniel56:32 - Jags(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:05:21 Hopefully everybody stays safe. Please stay vigilant. But we know there are a lot of people that's been displaced. Some people have lost all their possessions, but you have life. And so let's say, let's cling to that. You didn't lose the most important things. All those things can be replaced. Life cannot be replaced. And I know some of those are keepsakes and memorabilia and all that. But I pray for everybody gets out of this thing healthy and gets back to some normalcy very, very soon.
Starting point is 00:05:51 So our thoughts and prayers from everyone here at the Nightcap family to those impacted by the wildfires going on in L.A. Also, the Cavs, as we've talked about a little earlier, the Cavs ends the Thunder 15-game win streak. And it was a battle, a great. This is what it should be when the two of the best, the two best teams in the NBA, when they lock horns, this is what it should be.
Starting point is 00:06:13 But the Cavaliers prevailed, 129 to 122. Jared Allen had a monster night, 25 points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists. 6 assists. He was plus 7. Evan Mobley, 21-10. Wade, 11 points. Donovan Mitchell did not have the best night shooting.
Starting point is 00:06:34 He was 3-16, 2-7 from the three-point line, 3-4. He only had 11 points. Darius Garland had 18 points, but they got great production off the bench from Mike Spruce, Ty Jerome, 17 points, 15 points, respectively. And they were able to overcome Shea Gilgis-Alexander. He had 31.
Starting point is 00:06:53 He's right there with Nikola Jokic and Giannis for the MVP this year. Jamal Williams, Jalen Williams, excuse me, Jalen Williams had 25. Wallace had 15. But they played really well, but it was just too much that size that the Cavaliers have. Evan Mobley goes about 6'11". Yeah. Jared Allen goes 6'10", and they did a great job on the glass.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Isaiah Hartenstein got in foul trouble early, so he wasn't able to play his normal minutes. But I like Hartenstein, man. I really like him he's an effort guy he plays hard he goes out and do it does all the grunt work set great screens ocho rebounds the basketball but he can do a little bit of everything he can pass the basketball he can score right around the basket gets a lot of cleanup you don't have to run plays for him um but i like what i saw tonight these are the two best teams i know the celtics are the defending
Starting point is 00:07:44 champs right but these are the two best teams. I know the Celtics are the defending champs. Right. But these are the two best teams that's currently in the NBA. Yeah. Listen, I think OKC missed shit. They missed them, especially with the lineup tonight. They're having huge problems with the two bigs, obviously. And they can move the ball up and down the court, you know, and transition effortlessly.
Starting point is 00:08:04 You know, and transition effortlessly, you know, and shit. Despite Donovan Mitchell not shooting the ball well, the rest of the team played extremely well. They did. What's, um. Which one? If you had it. Darius Garland?
Starting point is 00:08:20 No, not Garland. God damn, what's his name? Who? For who? For what team? OKC. We're number two. Shea? Yeah, not Garland. God damn, what's his name? For who? For what team? OKC. We're number two. Shea?
Starting point is 00:08:29 Yeah, Shea. That's what I'm trying to think of. I'm trying to think of Shea's name. If you had an MVP right now, is he still in your running again this year? Yes. Yes. Him, Nicole. It's the same cast of characters. Right now, I would have Nicola Jokic.
Starting point is 00:08:42 He's averaging 30, 14, and 9. It's hard to overlook that but Shea's right the Shea I mean you flip a coin Giannis is Giannis is going to be in the mix I don't know if Giannis
Starting point is 00:08:53 record is going to be conducive for him to get it but right now if you had to make make me pick I would probably lean Giannis
Starting point is 00:09:01 but excuse me I would probably lean Jokic but if somebody said, nah, Shay, Yolk ain't it this year, it's Shay, I ain't fighting you.
Starting point is 00:09:10 I ain't putting up no healthy, I'm not putting up no healthy discussion and saying, man, look at what Yolk is doing. Yolk is averaging 30.
Starting point is 00:09:17 The most Shaq ever averaged in the season is 29. Right. Look at the rebounds. He's averaging 14. The most Tim Duncan has ever averaged
Starting point is 00:09:23 in the season is 14. You look at the nine assists. There haven't been very many bigs to ever average. Nobody. I don't even think when Will won the assist title as a center, he didn't average nine assists a game. So you look at a guy, he's having a career year as far as points, rebounds, and assists.
Starting point is 00:09:42 And he's shooting 40-plus percent from the three he's shooting 57 percent look we can go on by yoke he's a three-time league mvp right uh could easily be a four-time mvp and by assault said done he might win four or five of these things but shea gilgis boy i know clip the clipper the kicking themselves in the ass hey because they traded him and all those draft picks and those pick swaps for Paul George because Kawhi said, if you don't get him, I'm going to go to the Lakers. And they could not have Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard, and LeBron James on the same team in the same building in the same city. So they did that. Kawhi has been unable to stay healthy. Paul George was not able
Starting point is 00:10:23 to stay healthy for extended periods of time. He's now in Philly. Kawhi just been unable to stay healthy Paul George was not able to stay healthy for extended periods of time he's now in Philly Kawhi just got back he's not going to play the back to backs he left the team to deal with some family issues because they're being impacted by the wildfires in LA and we get all that but with that being said
Starting point is 00:10:39 Shea Gildress has turned into a bonafide superstar and that's what you have to be careful of. And they've got, this team is young. Now, when Caruso gets back, he's been dealing with a hip injury. So he's been, I don't think he's played more than five or six games. When he gets back, and you mentioned, Chet comes back. You talk about the defensive, because then you got Ludor
Starting point is 00:11:00 and you got Caruso that can defend the wings. You got Chet that can defend the rim. And you got scores in Jalen Williams and Shea Gilgis. Bro, you look at them, Ocho, you're like, they shouldn't be this good because you really, really look at it. They only got one all-star, one superstar. And most teams have two superstars or multiple all-stars. They really only got one.
Starting point is 00:11:24 Now, Jalen Williams might make it this year. But right now, we know Shea's going to make it because he's one of the two or three best players in all the league. But when you look at him, you're like, how is this good? But you watch him play?
Starting point is 00:11:38 You watch how they play off each other? And they play well together. They play very well together. Yeah, they play off each other and they play well together they play very well together yeah they they play they play really well together the same thing with the cavaliers and i understand boston is the reigning defending champ and they still got very good hey look j uh uh jb yeah eastern conference uh mvp he was finals mvp we know jt he's been an all-nba player the last three years uh jb has been an all-NBA player the last three years. JB has been an all-NBA player a couple of years. But the Cavaliers are the best team in the East.
Starting point is 00:12:11 And right now, it's not close. It's not close right now. And obviously, in the West, OKC is the best team. I mean, and to have two teams like this, a 30-6 and a 32-4, so you've got 35 games into the season, and you've got two teams that have 30-6 and a 32-4. So you've got 35 games into the season, and you've got two teams that have 30-plus wins, two of them. And I think Boston has like 28, 29 wins. They might have 30 by the end of the night.
Starting point is 00:12:36 I don't know. And I know they're saying the bat is down, and I don't like all the three-point shots either. I don't like them. They come around chugging up threes left and right. I mean, I think the average is about 65 to 73 combined per game. Really? Yeah, they just chunking them up,
Starting point is 00:12:54 and I don't think people are very, very excited about that, that style of play. It a lot has to do with that. I think the fans don't think the players are playing hard and they're sitting out. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? They got low management. They got this.
Starting point is 00:13:09 It is impacting the game. The rating says it. I don't care what anybody says. The rating says fans aren't watching the games like they once were. Yeah, I mean, listen, the game is different. It's evolved. It hasn't evolved for the better. As most would say, if you look at the ratings,
Starting point is 00:13:30 the ratings are suffering because of it. I not sure what adam silver can do i'm not sure what the players can do about it i mean the game play hard and start jacking up threes i mean listen they they don't play defense they just they shooting the ball they shoot mid-range they're shooting threes and just and the game isn't going to change. I'm not sure what they're going to do to attract the eyeballs and the viewership the way it used to be. But I don't see it changing anytime soon. No, because everybody says, you know, that three, you know, you make two threes, it's the equivalent of, you know,
Starting point is 00:14:01 the percentage you don't need to shoot 50% from three if you make enough threes. And so they figure if we make, if we make somewhere around 23s a night, we're going to beat you. Yeah. Because the likelihood of two teams, both teams making 20 plus three,
Starting point is 00:14:13 so they're hoping it, but, you know, they're getting up 53s a night, 63s a night. Come on, bro. Golly. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Come on, bro.
Starting point is 00:14:22 It's all your fault, Steph. I want you to know, only four teams have posted a better record through 36 games than what the Cleveland Cavaliers have golden state. When they set the record of 73 and nine, they went 34 and two, the Philadelphia, uh,
Starting point is 00:14:35 the warriors. I think it was the warriors. Uh, they were, uh, 1966, 67. They were 33 and three,
Starting point is 00:14:41 the Lakers, uh, in 71, 72, they went on a 33-game winning streak, and they won the title. They were 33-3, and the Bulls, 95-96, in which they went 72-10, they're also a 33-3.
Starting point is 00:14:55 So you can see what elite company these teams are in. Now, Golden State lost to LeBron's team. Yeah, they lost to LeBron's team. That was the year they went, yeah, they lost to LeBron's team. Yeah, they lost to LeBron's team. That was the year they went. Yeah, they lost to LeBron, the 73-9 team. The Bulls won the titles. The Lakers won the titles. Did the Sixers win the titles that year?
Starting point is 00:15:17 I think, no. I think, what you call it, the Celtics won it. Because the Celtics won it eight straight years in the 60s. So, I think they lost one year to the St. Louis Hawks, led by Bob Pettit, and then they whitewashed it the rest of the way. But the Cavs look really good. The guy, D. Mitch, seems to be playing. He seems to be D Mitch seems to be playing he seems to be happy seems to be like he wants to be there now right uh there were speculations he wanted to go to
Starting point is 00:15:51 Knicks and that still might be the case but I know he's playing extremely well like right now Darius Garland who's an all-star uh Jared Allen uh not very efficient 9 for 11 you don't have to run plays for him he's to get it off the rim. You get penetration, lob it up to him. The same thing with Mobley. Mobley didn't shoot the three ball well tonight, but he's a 40-plus percent shooter from the three ball. He was efficient from the floor, 8-13.
Starting point is 00:16:18 Those two bigs are going to cause you a problem because they're going to get a lot of rebounds. They're going to get a lot of extra chances. They had 12 offensive rebounds tonight. So Cavaliers end the OKC Thunder's 15 game winning streak
Starting point is 00:16:32 with a 129-122 victory. Ocho, Bill Belichick to the Raiders. He has a $10 million buyout now. It drops to $1 million on June 1st. The Raiders have new cash from Tom Brady, Richard Seymour, minority stakes. Brady, still close with Coach Belichick, could offer him power and control needed to leave UNC.
Starting point is 00:16:59 Well, damn, if that was the case, you got all these college kids happy, got UNC all happy. Why don't you just wet your happy ass out another month? Well, listen, he probably know that the opportunity was going to present itself. I wish Brady had told Bill this a little earlier before he took the job. That's true. You can't do that. Huh? You can't do that.
Starting point is 00:17:18 See, that's why he didn't know. So he had to take the job that was available. I think the vacancy is going to get filled. I don't think Bill can actually pull out from UNC right now. He's already invested. After we work the day, he will. Yeah, that seemed to be a problem with you too. Huh?
Starting point is 00:17:37 That seemed to be a problem with you too. What? Pulling out. Hey, but listen, listen, on a serious note, listen,
Starting point is 00:17:49 after we, after we left, after we left work today, you know, out there in Philly, Bill was right back on the road, you know, going,
Starting point is 00:17:54 going to recruit. He's, he's, so I mean, I mean, he's, he's, he's locked in.
Starting point is 00:17:59 I think it would have been a great opportunity for Bill to, to be the head coach of the Raiders and, and have that full control to, to kind of build the type of team you want to. I think the only issue for Bill is if he was to go to the Raiders, I mean, he still wouldn't have a quarterback. You still don't know what the quarterback system would be like. Yeah, you got to get one. I mean, they're going to be in position.
Starting point is 00:18:20 Why are you in here? Why are you trying to steal my shine, bro? Who that? Who that? Who that? Titus tried to steal my shine, man. What up, twin? What up, twin?
Starting point is 00:18:42 You want to go stay with Ocho in Miami? Yeah, come on down here, man. Come on down here. Nah, he ain't got no treats. He ain't going to take me on the walk. Ain't no pretty dogs in that hood. Say, nah, there ain't no scenery down there. Yeah, he good. Everybody got them little dogs.
Starting point is 00:18:55 Bring him on down here. I'll take good care of him. I think the thing is, Brady, look, Tom understands what it looks. Maybe that wears on you, Ocho. But at the end of the day, Tom Brady wants to win. Yeah. And Tom Brady, like, yeah, I can assure you that Coach Belichick's style wears on you. But winning, if I'm going to win, wear on me.
Starting point is 00:19:23 Right. Right. Ride me. Go ahead. This is what I have to say win, wear on me. Ride me. This is what I have to say about Coach Belichick's style. I think this is one of the reasons why he's gone to the collegiate level. To show the owners, to show people that he can resonate with the younger crowd. He can resonate with the younger generation. Even though he has a certain coaching style. He's going to show you
Starting point is 00:19:46 that he can change. He can adapt to today's era and today's climate as far as the kids and coaching is concerned and find a way where you can relate to them just like the younger coaches that are taking all the goddamn jobs in the NFL now. I think it's hard
Starting point is 00:20:02 enough for Coach Belichick because these kids here, they making money. Everybody in the NFL want to build a brand. Offensive linemen want a brand. D-linemen want a brand. Everybody want a brand, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so ain't nobody really trying to listen.
Starting point is 00:20:13 Everybody trying to, oh, I'm going to start me a podcast. I'm going to start this. I want people to know who I am, blah, blah, blah. I'm preparing for the future. And they don't realize it's a lot easier to build a brand when you win. Jordan brand was built on winning. Tiger brand was built when you win. Jordan brand was built on winning. Tiger brand was built on winning. Tom's brand was built on winning.
Starting point is 00:20:30 LeBron on winning. Steph Curry on winning. It's a lot easier to build a brand when you win. People want to associate with the winners. It's not that complicated. I think sometimes we make it more complicated than what it is. Right. But when you win, look at Jeter.
Starting point is 00:20:47 Jeter was a winner. And so when you win, people want to be around winners. It's always been like that. Mm-hmm. I don't know why you're so needed tonight. I've been around here all day. I wasn't having a show. I've been with you all day, bro.
Starting point is 00:21:02 This Joker here? Man, I don't know what's going on here with the night, Ocho. I've been riding this Joker all the phone. Nah, he hear my voice. He hear my voice.
Starting point is 00:21:12 Oh, I've been riding you all day. But, it's, I mean, for me, I think Coach Belichick, because here's the difference
Starting point is 00:21:23 between a college kid and an NFL adult the college kids are trying to get to the NFL right that's why the coach is the end all be all he's a de facto boss I gotta say the NFL I'm already in the NFL what you gonna do I make 30 million I make more than you right it's hard to tell somebody that makes more than you what to do yeah normally the boss he makes the most he tells you what to do right ash over here shaking her head but in the nfl show you know these guys and we're going to talk about this a little later about the miami dolphin situation what mike what Mike McDaniel said earlier today.
Starting point is 00:22:09 But I think Coach Belichick, yeah, you got to get a quarterback. I don't care. Coach Belichick is great as he is. We saw when he didn't have a quarterback, it didn't work out very well. You can't do nothing. You can't do nothing. You can't do nothing. And listen, right now, if he was to go to that job and not have a quarterback and lose, I think his leash would be just as short as everybody else.
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Starting point is 00:27:24 Cousins, he might be available. Do you trade for him? I mean, look, there'll still be a quarterback. I mean, you might have to move up if you want a Cam Ward or you want a Shadur. Maybe it all depends. You got Brock Bowers. You got Jacoby Myers.
Starting point is 00:27:44 I mean, you got some okay pieces. I mean, Brock Bowers is You got Jacoby Myers. I mean, you got some piece of that. You got some okay pieces. I mean, Brock Bowers is legit now. Real deal. Jacoby Myers had an outstanding year this year. Maybe you add another wide out. Hey, do you go get a Tee Higgins? Ooh, now that we talk.
Starting point is 00:27:56 Okay, is there? See, that's the thing. Yeah. There are so many teams that need a number one receiver that has the cap space. You do so. The that has the cap space? You can do so. The Patriots got cap space. So if I go put T. Higgins
Starting point is 00:28:11 in Foxborough with Drake May, they got Jalen Pope. They got Hunter Henry. Ramondre Stephenson. I think it's Stephenson. So they got decent pieces. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:26 So that's the thing. Tell me, because June 1st is too much. I mean, no, Ocho, I need a coach in place sooner rather than later. Right.
Starting point is 00:28:40 Because they got this June 1st thing like it's a June 1st designation for release. You know how they do the NFL playoffs, don't you? If this would be a remission now, but after June 1st, it's this. And you see right now, you got a $10 million buyout now, which is after June 1st you get, because they know the likelihood of a coach signing June 1st. But we want to punish you.
Starting point is 00:29:02 Right. Get a little bit of this money back. Yeah. So what you think? Yeah, I don't, honestly, I don't see it happening. And knowing Bill, understanding his character, knowing how he is, once he's locked in into a situation, he's all in.
Starting point is 00:29:16 Right. He's all in. He's not going to be on the road doing all the things he's doing. He's been sworn in as the head coach of UNC. He's made promises, and he's going to fulfill those promises there at UNC. Now, if anything, he might play, he might coach for a year or a year or two, and that buyout, you know, that clause, whatever it may be, might be triggered, and he comes to the NFL.
Starting point is 00:29:38 And maybe the Raiders' job might not be there. It might not be there. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. You're not going, hey, we saw this with the Patriots. We saw, we're going to talk about this a little later. Right. One and done. Guys, I mentioned Jalen Pope.
Starting point is 00:29:50 If you look at Quentin Johnson, if you look at his rookie year, you would have thought he was a bust. Y'all quit the labor of somebody a bust after one year. Right. I can tell y'all, y'all don't know football. Because y'all expect everybody to be Jamar Chase. Y'all expect every receiver to be Justin Jefferson. Y'all expect every running back to be Derrick Henry,
Starting point is 00:30:06 Barry Sanders, or Emmitt Smith. Sometimes, it takes longer. Every tight end that comes in the league ain't going to be Brock Bowers. Every quarterback ain't going to be a, you know, start off like, be Jane Daniels.
Starting point is 00:30:22 But that's what y'all expect because y'all don't know the game. Because y'all just expect everybody automatically to boom, boom, boom. Come out like gangbusters. It doesn't work like that. I said, Jalen Polk, you should be happy. Oh, I don't watch football. Well, if I didn't watch football, how the hell I know Jalen Polk was on the Patriots? Oh, you do watch football.
Starting point is 00:30:41 But anyway, as I was saying, sometimes, Ocho, it takes you a little longer to mature and turn into the player that they thought you – that doesn't always happen. Sometimes you have a bad rookie year, a bad second year, a bad third year, and they get your ass out of there. One of my former teammates' son, they took him in the Eagles. They took Jalen – what did it mean? Didn't he go to Jalen Rigger?
Starting point is 00:31:05 Didn't he go to the Eagles? That's my dude, man. I love Rigger, man. But the Eagles. And think about who they passed on. They left Justin Jefferson on the board. Yeah. Look at some of the guys that they passed on.
Starting point is 00:31:19 And it didn't work out for whatever reasons. But sometimes guys need a little bit more time to get, because the NFL game is different than the collegiate game. Yeah. Guys put hands on you, especially once they find out you have trouble against press coverage. Enough. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 00:31:35 Everybody going to put hands on you. Yeah. That's just the way it is. That's how, but the film study is different. Because once a guy find out your weakness, well, you're going to have to get up out of that. Yeah. It's just like Adrian Peterson had to break the habit of fumbling the football
Starting point is 00:31:50 because they started attacking the football. Mm-hmm. You got a problem putting that ball in the dirt? Ooh, we're going to try to punch it out every time, Ocho. Oh, you got a problem getting off press coverage, huh? Yeah. And listen. Not everybody up there thinks like Lester Hayes.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Listen, and obviously, and then when you do have issues like that at the receiver position, you know, then you make your offensive coordinating job a little bit more, a little bit more difficult
Starting point is 00:32:11 because now you got a scheme you open. Yeah, yeah. Now they have to find ways to push your positions to free yourself up and get you open on their own. Right.
Starting point is 00:32:20 I call it, I call it as a receiver, you can make your coach's job that much more easier the more you're able to do. The more you can do as far as your skill set is concerned, the easier you make everyone's job around you. Right. Yeah, but I can only scheme so much, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:32:39 There's only so many times I can stack the formation, I can bunch the formation, I can motion the formation. At some point in time, I got to put you outside the number and say, son, go get open. Hell. At some point in time, I'm going to need you and this is what I tell guys,
Starting point is 00:32:56 I'm going to need you to play above the play sheet. That's what I'm going to need. I got all these plays. I got 200 plays on the sheet, but I'm going to need you to play above that. I like that. And that's what I'm going to need. I got all these plays. I got 200 plays on the sheet, but I'm going to need you to play above that. I like that. And that's what I always tell the young. Yes, they got all those plays, but sometimes I need you to play above that because I can't always diagram plays to scheme you open. Right.
Starting point is 00:33:18 I need you to go get open, just like on the defense. Yeah, I can run all these twists and exits, and I can run a text, I can run a wex, I can run, you know, I can run a swill. I can do all this stuff. But at some point in time, son, just go beat the man in front of you. Damn. That's what it comes down to, son.
Starting point is 00:33:35 Just go beat the man in front of you. Right. And it's really that simple. So we'll see what Coach Belichick does. Tom Brady's had great success with Coach Belichick. He knows that system works, but he also knows he needs a quarterback to make that system work. Right.
Starting point is 00:33:50 Because defensively, he's going to be able to scheme it up. He's going to try to minimize the mistakes. He knows that you pay a heavy price when you turn the football over. He knows nothing cheap, nothing deep. Coach Belichick does not like to give up big plays. He wants you to go on 12, 13, 15 play drive because there's a greater chance if you have a 15 play drive
Starting point is 00:34:08 that something will happen or if you let somebody bomb over your head in three plays. So that's what Coach Belichick tries to do. He tries to make you nickel and dime your way down the field. Now, if he get a Gilly, defensive player of the year,
Starting point is 00:34:22 or he get a Revis, he ain't got no problem playing man coverage if he got the dog to go play it. And the funny thing about it, it's what Bill will do. If you don't know Bill, when you play the better teams, he going to put the best corner,
Starting point is 00:34:38 let's say like a Revis, he going to put Revis on the number two and then on your number one, he going to double your number one. Yep. Yep. Yep. And that's how a lot of guys do it. But Coach Belichick, we'll see what he does.
Starting point is 00:34:52 I know at the end of the day, he wants to be in the NFL. Yeah. I mean, I've never seen a coach like this, this credential, go back, go down. But it just goes to show you how much he loves coaching. Yeah. He wants to coach. He's a coach. And he needs to partake that knowledge and wisdom on someone
Starting point is 00:35:07 and just sitting around talking to you, slapping though inside the NFL. That wasn't good enough for him. Yeah. Also, I think he likes the challenge. I think he likes that it presents and it is, it's something good for him to,
Starting point is 00:35:20 to, to somewhat dominate outside just like he did in the NFL. So I'm sure he's going to enjoy it. Gerard Mayo struggled with discipline and how to enforce it. Pat players lost faith in Mayo during the season. Gerard Mayo played cards with players after Arizona lost instead of watching film with assistant coaches. The report says on the long prank plane ride back,
Starting point is 00:35:43 most of Mayo's assistants grabbed their laptops and studied cut-ups from the loss, the customary move for NFL coaches during a return flight after the game. But in a move that surprised some at the front of the plane after such a lopsided loss, according to a team source, Mayo left his spot near the front and went back where some of the players had gathered to play cards, choosing to hang out while his assistant watched film. What you think, my down? You think that's true? For them to get off that man after one year, Ocho?
Starting point is 00:36:18 And then I don't like the whole I lost faith in the coach, man. Listen, you have a job to do. You have a job to do. you have a job to do your faith is supposed to be in you as a head coach he has a job to do boom exit nose leader of men all that stuff man all that i have faith in i ain't trying to hear all that you got a job to do you go to practice every day you're a grown man you get paid to play a goddamn game that you love i don't know if he was an assistant coach if he was assistant coach right he wanted to go because every day you're a grown man, you get paid to play a goddamn game that you love. I don't want anybody to know.
Starting point is 00:36:47 If he was an assistant coach, if he was assistant coach, and he wanted to go, as the head coach, you can't do that. Yeah, you can't do that. I understand. Not the head guy. Right. Now, if you're a position coach,
Starting point is 00:36:56 but normally, normally, you ain't doing none of that issue after a loss. No. You ain't playing no cards. I don't know what type of playing they on. Right. That wasn't no soul playing.
Starting point is 00:37:10 When we lost, that thing was silent. Quiet. You was search mouse. You whispering. Yeah. Ain't no, now if you win,
Starting point is 00:37:19 oh yeah, we're throwing caution to the wind. You wow. You wow. Yes. Yes. And we playing cards before, you know, we started, And we playing card before, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:26 we start, I mean, we all, you know, we always had what advertisers, sponsors that ride the plane. Man, we used to roll dice. Man, we done took our jacket off, loosened up our tie shirt.
Starting point is 00:37:36 Hey, we rolling dice. Until Mike came back and said, guys, it's not. Until Mike came, Mike told us, hey, it's not a good look. You know, we got sponsors. We got advertisers riding the plane. Look, I understand that you guys want to told us, hey, it's not a good look. You know, we got sponsors.
Starting point is 00:37:45 We got advertisers riding the plane. Look, I understand that you guys want to have, but hey, let's not roll the dice. Let's not have money. Okay. Hey, what room you in? Oh, yeah. Hey, so, hey,
Starting point is 00:38:01 because, you know, because they have all the keys, you know, the room on the table. Right, right. when you walk in Ocho is in 825 yeah amen
Starting point is 00:38:10 hey card game dice game up at 825 I remember them days but like I said I on the plane
Starting point is 00:38:18 that I was on right it wasn't a whole lot of noise going on we lost the game Ocho yeah now you know for a couple years
Starting point is 00:38:24 we didn't lose a whole lot of games I think in 96 97 98 we lost what three seven we lost nine games in three years so there was a lot of a lot of hoopla a lot of fun going on but for the most part man you ain't doing no talking about what did i want to talk about i'm mad we lost i'm mad i'm sore i'm moody i'm irritable no yeah i mean and listen there's certain things you know as a coach that you can't do especially after after after a loss when i think about it a coach like that he's a player's coach he's someone someone that played the game. I think he's a little different than Dan Campbell, but I can see Dan Campbell doing something like that. Yeah, after a win.
Starting point is 00:39:11 But instead, like Eddie Hunter, but as a head coach to Ocho. A head coach still, even after a win, you have to rise above stuff like that. Now, we had some position coaches. They would come in there and shoot shots with us. Or they would do certain things. But not Mike. Right. Not Brian Biff.
Starting point is 00:39:29 Not, hell no. And Dan Reed, first of all, wasn't none of Dan's coaches doing that because Dan was old school and all his damn coaches was old school. Old school, yeah. Hell, now that was going to fly. And the funny thing about it is we're thinking about it from a perspective of how old school coaches would be. But I'm thinking about this generation, this generation and the younger coaches, you know, to not relate to the players more, but be able to connect with the players more.
Starting point is 00:39:53 And doing some of the things that would be normally be frowned upon, you know, when it comes to head coaching position. So I kind of see it, but I kind of don't. And I kind of stand with you in a sense for saying as a head coach you just can't be doing that there's certain things you just can't do Ocho
Starting point is 00:40:10 right right but also Ocho you got to realize it's only one year removed from Coach Belichick so you're going to have to get some years in there before you get that idea
Starting point is 00:40:20 that ideology and that line of thinking out of the building because a lot of those people are still thinking the same way. Right. And so once you get a couple years, you win. Now you get, and I get what he was trying to do. He was trying to be like, okay, Coach Belichick did it this way.
Starting point is 00:40:36 But I think Coach Belichick was, let's just say this is as far as you can go left. That's as far as you can go. I think he went too far right right instead of finding some place in the middle ocho i thought he he maybe have gone too far to the right okay to try to say well i'm i'm going as far away from what koji belichick did as i possibly can and sometimes we have to find a middle ground yeah in order to operate to get the job done but uh yeah but I think everybody was surprised. I mean, I didn't expect to hear this coming out.
Starting point is 00:41:09 And it came from, like I said, Ocho, it's hard, man, when people, team sources, like I said, when people start, people don't want to get sued. Right. For putting out faulty reports. Just like Jimmy Butler's agent did all that talking. Oh, Shams, I don't normally take time. Now look. Yeah. Shams
Starting point is 00:41:29 says, I've never vetted a story more than I vetted this story. He did all that hollering, all that hollering, yelling, and screaming to try to direct. Yeah, that was true. Right. Yeah. And come to find out,
Starting point is 00:41:44 it was true. And that's. And come to find out, it was true. And that's what you have to be careful of. Because like I said, if there was no leaks, there was no NFL source, no team source, why would we need an Adam Sheffield? Why would we need a Jay Glazer? Where do you think they get that from? Yeah. It kind of got to come from somewhere.
Starting point is 00:42:04 They built up relationships. Yeah. Because guess what, Ocho? A coach might be one place. You got a relationship with him. Guess what? He goes to another place. You still got that relationship with him.
Starting point is 00:42:14 A general manager's at one place. He goes to another place. You still got that relationship with him. You built up a relationship with a player. Player moves. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Guess what you do, Ocho? You got a source. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Guess what you do, Ocho? You got a source.
Starting point is 00:42:27 Boom, boom, boom, boom. People don't look at it like that. Oh, he lied. I'm telling you how it works. I ain't telling you what somebody told me. I'm telling you what I know. Everything comes from somewhere. Right. And that's why they say my source.
Starting point is 00:42:44 Well, if you ever, if Adam Schefter ever outed any one of his sources, he'd never work another day again. No. If Jay Glazer, if Shams or Awoj, when they were reporting, said, I got this from X, they would never, never work another day because nobody would ever give him. And when they give you information, you didn't get it from me. Right. Okay. Put it in your words. Make it sound like you talking. I ain't telling you from me. Right. Okay. Put it in your words. Make it sound like you talking.
Starting point is 00:43:06 I ain't telling you what somebody told you. I'm telling you what I know. But they get mad at me when I was talking about stuff that I knew for a fact. Oh, how do you know you ain't in the locker room? I might as well be. I might as well be in the locker room. Oh, yeah. But you notice, don't you?
Starting point is 00:43:24 I don't really do this anymore because I'm like away from yeah. But you notice, I don't really do this anymore because I'm like away from it, but I notice, but when people say what I was saying, what I was saying when I was on there, ain't nobody say she had a line. Nah. That was the fan talking about, I don't know what I'm talking about. But ain't nobody in the organization, not a player,
Starting point is 00:43:40 not a coach, not a GM, they would say, I don't know. That ain't, not a GM. They would say, oh, that is, I don't know. That is, that is. I'm just saying, I'm just saying. So I like, I feel bad because one year is not a lot of time. A lot. One year, one year is nothing. Nothing.
Starting point is 00:44:03 That's the shortest leash ever. And all that is, is admitting that I think I made the wrong choice when you thought I was the successor for Bill Belichick. He handpicked him. Yeah, you got to give him a chance. He didn't even give him a chance. And then not only that, you interviewed Byron Lefkowitz. You interviewed Pep Hamilton. Man, you ain't finna hire none of them.
Starting point is 00:44:25 Listen, you got to check the boxes for the ruling rule. You got to check the boxes. You know you're going to bring in Vrabel. You know you're going to bring in Vrabel and allow him to take over. And now Vrabel will get the grace to continue to improve the team. Right away, he'll get more than a year. But he also got to think of your quarterback. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:46 Yeah. Yeah, he'll benefit from that. He'll benefit from that. Drake May has shown Drake May has shown flashes of being a very good quarterback
Starting point is 00:45:02 and obviously as a rookie, he's at his bad moments. Yes. You know, which is normal. They have a good quarterback though. They have a good quarterback. They have to work with in the future. Even if that was the case, I hate that somebody put that out there
Starting point is 00:45:17 because that makes him look bad for his next employer. Right. That's the thing that I don't like. Okay. All that might be true. I'm not saying that it is. I'm not saying that it isn't because I don't like. Okay. All that might be true. I'm not saying that it is. I'm not saying that it isn't because I don't know. And I haven't called any around because I don't care enough to call around and ask and find out if it was true. But all I'm saying is that that follows you. If somebody put that out there, so that's why you got to be careful what you allow people to say about you because that follows you to your next job.
Starting point is 00:45:45 That follows you to your next employment. Go ahead, Ocho. What you think about Vrabel coming back, right? Well, he's coming back regardless. What you think about Mayo taking it, going back to the defensive coordinator job? I don't like that. You don't like that at all? Let me ask you a question.
Starting point is 00:46:01 You're the CEO of a company. And somebody hired a new CEO. And they said, OK, Ocho, you go back to work and be the president. You cool with that? No, I'm not cool. Exactly. You might go be the president at somebody else's company. Right.
Starting point is 00:46:13 But you ain't going to be the president at that company. Right. Okay. I was just curious. I was just curious. Listen, having a job is better than not having one at all. Because you got to- Hold on.
Starting point is 00:46:26 They gave me three years. I got two more years to pay. Okay, I see. I might not have no job, but I got money coming. I ain't got no job, but I do got money coming in. All right, that's a good one. When you put it like that, okay. I don't know why you so needed night, bro. You ain't never been like this.
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Starting point is 00:51:12 global sports figure of our lifetime. Listen to Ali and Me, now on Audible. Oh, Joe. Mike Mcdaniel said that some players have been repeatedly late this year and fine multiple times he said that the fines haven't been effective and nothing moved the needle let's take a listen to what he had to say i can find people um till they're blue in the face i can take their money i can yell at them um but until they understand that part of the reason that we're in the position is controllable and we have to, with absolute certainty and zero tolerance for anything else, we have to clean the controllables up and we can have a chance to have success together. So certain specific individuals that, you know, I don't think it was across the board. There's a lot of guys that,
Starting point is 00:52:11 you know, had certain finds before that didn't have any. There were some people that had multiple that, you know, I think there's different ways to kind of counteract that. Bringing it up as a team and continuing to find guys wasn't enough. So I'm not going to continue to just place all blame on even some of the smallest of individuals that were multiple offenders. I'm going to adjust my process and make sure that it's team-wide knowledge any time that things are done that aren't in the best interest of winning a football game.
Starting point is 00:52:53 Hey, let me tell you something. When you're losing, you notice how everything is magnified? Never accept anything in a win, you win in a loss. In a loss, yeah. It's hard for me to believe that they just started showing up late this year. Now, I could be totally wrong, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:53:13 I'm not there. Right. But it's just hard for me to believe that guys, because being late is a repeated behavior. Yeah. It is Miami, huh? You know that, huh?
Starting point is 00:53:24 It is Miami. You know them know that, huh? It is Miami. You know them late nights at Tootsies and late nights at G5 and late nights at Club Space and all the stuff they have going on. You know not winning? I can understand. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:41 Yeah. Can I ask you a question? Yes. Why are they talking about that? Why are they talking about that today anyway? Why is that even a concern? Or is he using that as a question on why they were losing? Well, I mean, it just goes to show you just how little control that coaches have, especially when you let that behavior go.
Starting point is 00:54:02 It's going to be hard for him to crack down because he's been so lenient. It's easier to be hard and lighten up as opposed to be light and try to toughen up. Right. And I've been in situations, and I understand it. It was a lot easier for me to deal with anything after I had Coach Reeves. Coach Reeves was old school.
Starting point is 00:54:22 He played for Coach Landry. He was an offensive coordinator under Coach Landry. And Coach Landry was very matter-of-fact. Coach Landry did with no nonsense. He did not bulljive. And so anything that came after that, it was hard for me to believe unless I got Coach Lombardi
Starting point is 00:54:37 that it was going to be any tougher than what I had to deal with with Coach Reeves. But see, also the way I grew up very structured this is what you do if you don't do it i'm gonna tear your ass up yeah it was simple for me but no well i wonder what happened if i don't take this trash out and papa told me to take this trash out i wonder what's gonna happen yeah okay freddy told me to have this grass cut by the time she got off work i wonder what's gonna happen there was no wondering there was no i don't know what's gonna happen right but it's because now these players don't
Starting point is 00:55:10 have no fear of authority they make so much money so if you take a thousand dollars you take two thousand dollars that don't mean nothing to this and you you also have to remember players that do come late and those that these things you're he thinks you're you're regular normal players you know that yeah he's talking about what's coming these are his best players oh yeah that that's that's who doing it because obviously the players who don't make that kind of money the players who aren't superstars ain't the ones showing up late no that's definitely not that's definitely not what's happening so listen listen, you got to talk. You talk to your big dogs. You talk to your players that had that that had that that don that see on your chest on the jersey. And I'm getting getting boys in line, get them in order.
Starting point is 00:55:55 Well, how can they get in line and be late? I mean, how can you tell me how can you tell me to be on time when I'm sitting in my chair and you walking in five, 10 minutes late? Right. You late to practice. I'm sitting in my chair and you walking in five, 10 minutes late. Right. You late to practice. I'm just trying to figure out what I'm trying to be. I can see guys, you know, guys,
Starting point is 00:56:11 guys, you come out there, shoes on time, everything. Hey, two o'clock. You ain't going to be on that feed. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:19 Hey, you might have your shoulder pad. and Mike still might be in one of the moods. They say you late because your shoulder pads, you ain't dressed so that still might cost you right right right right but i'm trying to figure out ocho you how do you late when you already there yeah i can ocho i can i don't i can't say i see but ocho you already in the damn building how you late for practice when you already at the place you need to practice at right i don't know i don't know they got they gotta get it together though i know that look i was late i've been late twice in my life once uh i depended on somebody else
Starting point is 00:57:04 that won't happen again. That's why I don't depend on nobody else. And then it was a snowstorm. And Mike said, hey, when did you realize it was going to be a storm? You should have left earlier. You're right. You're right. Go and take the little $1,200 out of my check.
Starting point is 00:57:18 You're right. I'm wrong. Hey, hey, hey. It wasn't like I didn't. Hey, I'm in Colorado. Right. It was snowing when I left. As a matter of fact, we had played to Carolina.
Starting point is 00:57:35 I'm offensive player of the game, Mocho. I don't think if I hadn't been offensive player of the game, I don't even know if he'd know I was late. Because he called offensive player of the game. Hey, this guy had seven catches, buck 74. Hey, I'm all pro, 84. President. Man, somebody say, hey, thank you, coach.
Starting point is 00:57:56 Damn. But Ocho, Ocho, you can't be, Ocho, late to meetings. Yeah. Late to practice. Come on, guys. But see, that just goes to show you. That explains why teams don't win. See, y'all think it's all about the game.
Starting point is 00:58:15 All fans see is the game. Games are won Monday through Friday. Monday through Friday because the discipline that it requires you to get your ass to practice on time, get your ass to meetings on time.
Starting point is 00:58:31 That's the discipline that you will need to display come Sunday in order to win. I never understood that. I'm glad that I grew up how I grew up. I didn't understand
Starting point is 00:58:43 at the time that while my grandfather, everything was punctual we was always the first to church church don't start for another 30 minutes but we there sitting in the damn car and then 15 minutes before we sitting on the front seat in the church ain't nobody else there but barney mary portico make sure your black ass was there i just but that's just go that i but that's just, that's just me. That's just me. I just, I'm going to be on time.
Starting point is 00:59:10 I just think that's just a common courtesy. I think everybody should be on time. Right. That's not asking too much. That's your job. I mean, I'm trying to figure out what other job does the NFL player have Ocho that will require him to be late. I get it.
Starting point is 00:59:24 Maybe for some unforeseen circumstances, there was an emergency. Child got sick. You had to take the child. Mom or wife, girlfriend. I get it. There are extenuating circumstances. But
Starting point is 00:59:38 it seems like every time there's a new coach, I got an uncle and aunt that came back to life. You can't win like that. That's why I'm glad I don't play today. I don't care if tight end salaries got to 100 million. Right. Because I care more about winning, and these guys don't.
Starting point is 01:00:03 And fans get upset with me sharing how you know. This is how you know. This is how you know. Mm-hmm. Yeah. One thing about it, when you're winning, it's looked over. That's why you don't look over.
Starting point is 01:00:15 When you're losing, everything is magnified. Every mistake, every mistake, anything you're doing wrong as a team, as an individual, it's used as a reason on why we're not winning.
Starting point is 01:00:27 That's why you don't overlook it when you're winning. Mike Shanahan didn't say, oh, guys, we winning, so you miss weight. Don't worry about it this week. He didn't say, oh, we winning. We don't won 12. We don't won eight in a row. We don't won nine in a row. We this and that.
Starting point is 01:00:43 No, no, no, no no no no no no and guys that lead you can't ask more than you're willing to give yeah how you will ask a player to do something that you showed up late get the f out my face you were late right and then you mess around and you blow an assignment and then you look at around everybody else. And you messed up. I got no, that's like I said, God put me in the situation. He made me be born in 68. Now we look, I talked to a lot of the guys, uh, uh, man, man, you may tell my mom couldn't wait another three or four years. Hell, I was my mom's last kid at 25.
Starting point is 01:01:20 You couldn't wait until I was, till you were 32 and dropped me. Right. Hey, no, I want no part of that ocho these guys don't care they don't care enough i'm not saying they don't care they don't care enough right losing don't bother them you know why because you're not invested enough anytime let me ask you a question ocho if you put your money if you put your money in something and you lost a million dollars you're gonna be very upset because you know how hard you worked for that damn million dollars. Absolutely. Absolutely. There you go. That's what I want people to see. Yeah. You know why I care so much? Because I know how much time that I've spent in doing this. What I denied
Starting point is 01:01:59 myself, how I denied my family, how I denied sleep, eat, just to be this. A lot of sacrifice. It hurts when it doesn't work out. Yeah. It don't bother people enough. It doesn't. Jags owner Sean Conn said that he'll get rid of GM Trent Baalke if a prospective head coach gives Conn a credible reason. With Baalke right there.
Starting point is 01:02:24 Ocho, you got to watch this. Listen to this. If they were to say, I would like to reevaluate the front office and the general manager, what would your response be? My response would be, how would you improve it? And then if it is credible, you know, I mean, you want to do it. Okay. Does he not realize Trent Balkike is on the video too, with him?
Starting point is 01:02:50 I don't know what's wrong with Brother Khan, man. I have no idea. He has a lot of issues going on. Listen, Baalke has his ruin with some of the picks and some of the things that he's brought in. I'm not sure what's wrong with Trevor Lawrence. Right now, the only shining bright light they have over there in Jacksonville is Brian Thomas Jr.
Starting point is 01:03:13 I'm hoping Trevor Lawrence can live up to the hype, the money he's being paid, and he bounces back. The Jaguars don't even have nowhere to play next year, Unc. You know that? What? What's wrong with that? What's wrong with the stadium they play at? I think they're renovating the stadium or something is going on
Starting point is 01:03:31 where their new stadium is not going to be ready for two years. Something to that magnitude. So where are they going to play at? I have no idea. I mean, Orlando's right down the street. Gainesville is right down the street. And they're a stadium that can hold the amount of people that can, you know, see the NFL stadium.
Starting point is 01:03:49 But, I mean, I don't think they're a team that's going to sell out. If they're going to be fans in the seats, they coming to see Brian Thomas Jr., I can tell you that. Objectively, it used to be good. I don't know. Something is wrong with owners. And to be the owners of teams, they don't act like they're owners. Jerry Jones doesn't act like an owner. Mr. Connie doesn't act like he's the owner.
Starting point is 01:04:17 Do you know how many coaches he's been through? Yeah. Do you know how many head coaches he's been through? And it starts at the top and it starts with you it starts with you and making better decisions and bulky too as a gm better decision making i mean but again when you're the owner you can do this yeah look i was i'm old enough to remember when jacksonville had really good teams when they had keenan and they had uh uh smith jimmy smith and they had natron and they had uh brunel
Starting point is 01:04:52 and the stadium was packed oh yeah i remember that so jacksonville fans will come out well yeah if you give them something to come out for. Yeah. Because that's a football town. The closest basketball, I guess, is Atlanta or Miami. Yeah. Well, you can go to Atlanta or Orlando, but that's football there. The South is football. Always. I don't care what anybody tell you.
Starting point is 01:05:18 Yeah. It's football. The South is football. And they like college football. Now, the Gators, Tallahassee, right up. But it's a football town. And if Jacksonville gave them something, those fans coming out. Because I've seen it. I've seen it.
Starting point is 01:05:36 Every time. But it doesn't. I mean, you keep the general manager who hired the head coach, but you fired a head coach. And then if another coach comes in and give you, okay, I can't work with Balky. I want somebody that I'm in unison with. Yeah, that you can trust.
Starting point is 01:06:03 Yes. Start there. You can trust. And plus, I got to get him out of there That you can trust. Yes. Start there. You can trust. And plus, I got to get him out of there because you're already too close to the owner. So I got a feeling that you're going to be in his ear and you're going to be putting bull jive in his ear. So I need to get you out of the building.
Starting point is 01:06:14 That's first and foremost. That's the first and foremost thing that I'm going to do. Bingo. So I need to be in a situation where me and the general manager, we're like this here. Mm-hmm. And I can go to the owner. So I need to be in a situation where me and the general manager were like this here. And I can go to the owner. If I mean, you can't agree on something.
Starting point is 01:06:36 But Trent Baalke is already too close because he got a three year relationship or two or three year head start. It's terms of the relationship than what I have. And he's already in his ear. Because that's why he stayed and Dougie P is gone. But nah, I'm good. I don't, I don't. But like I said, I don't know. Look, Trevor Lawrence is going to have to play better than what he's played.
Starting point is 01:06:56 They got a great, they got a great, look. They got Brian Thomas Jr. They got Evan Ingram. They got Tank. And they got ATN. Yeah, Trevor. So they got some nice, solid pieces. They got some pieces on defense.
Starting point is 01:07:10 I think they need to improve the back end. Mm-hmm. But they got some guys up front. They got something to work with. Yeah. And you would expect from what we saw from Trevor Lawrence at Clemson, his growth, he should be growing and getting better year to year, and instead he's regressing.
Starting point is 01:07:31 He's regressing, but the emergence of Brian Thomas Jr. should make his job a little easier. It should make his job a little easier. Let me turn this air off, man. I'm in here free. Yeah, but they had some pieces. I mean, Christian Kirk, but they had some uh they had some pieces I mean Christian Kirk but I think Kirk got injured um Brian Thomas Jr. Tank Billingsley I think that's his name
Starting point is 01:07:57 or Bigsby Tank Bigsby I think Bigsby is his name they got got Etienne. They got Evan Ingram. Yeah. They got some nice pieces on the offensive side, but Trevor Lawrence needs to play like the number one overall draft pick. He needs to play like the guy they selected him to be. He has to be more consistent and he got to stay healthy. Got to earn that pick check, baby.
Starting point is 01:08:21 Yeah. What did the Jags pick this year? Is there a corner that's available? They need, I think they, look, it all depends on what they're going to do. They pick five? They pick five, Ocho. What you think they?
Starting point is 01:08:41 At five? If Travis Hunter, I'm taking Travis Hunter, so no brainer. Man, Travis Hunter then I'm taking Travis Hunter so no brainer man Travis Hunter ain't gonna be there in no five man
Starting point is 01:08:49 I'm just saying just if he is oh hypothetically speaking yeah he ain't gonna be there I see they probably go probably go
Starting point is 01:09:00 offensive line or defensive line one or the other see that I mean normally guys have a kid. I think he and his wife just welcomed a baby girl. Guys normally play well. Look at Mahomes' kid.
Starting point is 01:09:11 Phillip Rivers' kid. Big Ben had kids. You know, guys, Peyton. Brady had, hey, Brady won a bowl, four Super Bowls. He started having kids. He had three. He didn't want four more. Oh, yeah. Hey, this might be the start of something, Ocho. I don't know. Brady won a boat won four Super Bowls after he started having kids he had three and he won four more oh yeah
Starting point is 01:09:25 so hey this might be the start of something old Chuck I don't know but uh yeah the Jazz got to do better than this
Starting point is 01:09:34 they got to give they got to give those fans something that they can they can get their sink their teeth in they can put their arms around and be proud of yeah
Starting point is 01:09:42 I ain't talking about Duvall because Duvall swear they going to the Super Bowl every year. And then it's Duvall, we on some bull jive. But let him tell it. They go, hey, they go win it. They go beat Kansas City. They go into the Super Bowl every year.
Starting point is 01:09:55 Duvall sound like a cowboy face. He delusional. But you think they take a you think they take an O-line or D-line yeah O-line O-line or D-line you know
Starting point is 01:10:09 I'm I'm trying to think there are no skill position players the quarterbacks are going first Travis Hunter will be going
Starting point is 01:10:16 before pick five so I mean there's there's some good good O-line and D-line that are out there
Starting point is 01:10:23 that are going to go in the early rounds? Yeah. The mock draft has them taking the D-linemen out of Michigan. Oh, see? It is. They probably should have took Hutchinson over the guy that they took. Hutch?
Starting point is 01:10:44 Remember, they had the number one pick and they took the guy out of Georgia. Trayvon Walker. But they forgot all the, think about all the draft picks that he was, all the high draft picks that he was playing around. Right, right, right, right, right. Trayvon Walker, he didn't have a bad season, did he?
Starting point is 01:11:01 He had no, Hutch had seven and a half sacks and missed 12 games didn't he go to the Pro Bowl last year he went to the Pro Bowl last year that's the real deal he's the real deal he is he is as advertised
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