Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Brady/Belichick reunion, Mayo’s lack of discipline, McDaniel loses locker room
Episode Date: January 9, 2025Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to reports that Tom Brady could offer Bill Belichick the power and control to leave UNC and join the Las Vegas Raiders. Later, Unc and Och...o discuss reports that former HC of the New England Patriots, Jerod Mayo, “struggled with discipline and how to enforce it” and Pats players “lost faith” in Mayo during season, Miami Dolphins HC Mike McDaniel says that some players have been repeatedly late this year and fined multiple times, but the fines have not been effective as a form of discipline at all and much more!03:13 - Show start03:36 - Intro06:10 - Cavs v Thunder16:50 - Belichick to the Raiders?32:43 - Jerod Mayo45:54 - Mike McDaniel56:32 - Jags(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Also, the Cavs, as we've talked about a little earlier,
the Cavs ends the Thunder 15-game win streak.
And it was a battle, a great.
This is what it should be when the two of the best,
the two best teams in the NBA, when they lock horns,
this is what it should be.
But the Cavaliers prevailed, 129 to 122.
Jared Allen had a monster night, 25 points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists.
6 assists.
He was plus 7.
Evan Mobley, 21-10.
Wade,
11 points.
Donovan Mitchell did not have the best night shooting.
He was 3-16, 2-7
from the three-point line,
3-4. He only had 11 points.
Darius Garland had 18 points,
but they got great production off the bench from Mike
Spruce, Ty Jerome, 17 points, 15 points, respectively.
And they were able to overcome Shea Gilgis-Alexander.
He had 31.
He's right there with Nikola Jokic and Giannis for the MVP this year.
Jamal Williams, Jalen Williams, excuse me, Jalen Williams had 25.
Wallace had 15.
But they played really well, but it was just too much that size
that the Cavaliers have.
Evan Mobley goes about 6'11".
Yeah.
Jared Allen goes 6'10", and they did a great job on the glass.
Isaiah Hartenstein got in foul trouble early,
so he wasn't able to play his normal minutes.
But I like Hartenstein, man.
I really like
him he's an effort guy he plays hard he goes out and do it does all the grunt work set great screens
ocho rebounds the basketball but he can do a little bit of everything he can pass the basketball he
can score right around the basket gets a lot of cleanup you don't have to run plays for him um
but i like what i saw tonight these are the two best teams i know the celtics are the defending
champs right but these are the two best teams. I know the Celtics are the defending champs. Right.
But these are the two best teams that's currently in the NBA.
Yeah.
Listen, I think OKC missed shit.
They missed them, especially with the lineup tonight.
They're having huge problems with the two bigs, obviously.
And they can move the ball up and down the court, you know,
and transition effortlessly.
You know, and transition effortlessly, you know, and shit.
Despite Donovan Mitchell not shooting the ball well, the rest of the team
played extremely well.
They did.
What's, um.
Which one?
If you had it.
Darius Garland?
No, not Garland.
God damn, what's his name?
Who? For who? For what team? OKC. We're number two. Shea? Yeah, not Garland. God damn, what's his name?
For who?
For what team?
OKC.
We're number two.
Shea?
Yeah, Shea.
That's what I'm trying to think of. I'm trying to think of Shea's name.
If you had an MVP right now, is he still in your running again this year?
Yes.
Yes.
Him, Nicole.
It's the same cast of characters.
Right now, I would have Nicola Jokic.
He's averaging 30, 14, and 9.
It's hard to overlook that but Shea's right
the Shea
I mean
you flip a coin
Giannis is
Giannis is going to be in the mix
I don't know if Giannis
record
is going to be conducive
for him to get it
but right now
if you had to make
make me pick
I would probably
lean Giannis
but excuse me
I would probably
lean Jokic
but if somebody said,
nah, Shay,
Yolk ain't it this year,
it's Shay,
I ain't fighting you.
I ain't putting up
no healthy,
I'm not putting up
no healthy discussion
and saying,
man, look at what
Yolk is doing.
Yolk is averaging 30.
The most Shaq ever
averaged in the season
is 29.
Right.
Look at the rebounds.
He's averaging 14.
The most Tim Duncan
has ever averaged
in the season is 14.
You look at the nine assists.
There haven't been very many bigs to ever average.
Nobody.
I don't even think when Will won the assist title as a center,
he didn't average nine assists a game.
So you look at a guy, he's having a career year as far as points,
rebounds, and assists.
And he's shooting 40-plus percent from the three he's shooting 57
percent look we can go on by yoke he's a three-time league mvp right uh could easily be a four-time
mvp and by assault said done he might win four or five of these things but shea gilgis boy i know
clip the clipper the kicking themselves in the ass hey because they traded him and all those draft
picks and those pick swaps for Paul George
because Kawhi said, if you don't get him, I'm going to go to the Lakers. And they could not
have Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard, and LeBron James on the same team in the same building in
the same city. So they did that. Kawhi has been unable to stay healthy. Paul George was not able
to stay healthy for extended periods of time. He's now in Philly. Kawhi just been unable to stay healthy Paul George was not able to stay healthy for extended periods of time he's now
in Philly Kawhi just got
back he's not going to
play the back to backs he left the team
to deal with some family issues because they're being
impacted by the wildfires in LA
and we get all that but
with that being said
Shea Gildress has turned into a
bonafide superstar and that's what you
have to be careful of.
And they've got, this team is young.
Now, when Caruso gets back, he's been dealing with a hip injury.
So he's been, I don't think he's played more than five or six games.
When he gets back, and you mentioned, Chet comes back.
You talk about the defensive, because then you got Ludor
and you got Caruso that can defend the wings.
You got Chet that can defend the rim.
And you got scores in Jalen Williams and Shea Gilgis.
Bro, you look at them, Ocho, you're like,
they shouldn't be this good because you really, really look at it.
They only got one all-star, one superstar.
And most teams have two superstars or multiple all-stars.
They really only got one.
Now, Jalen Williams might make it
this year. But right now,
we know Shea's going to make it because
he's one of the two or three best players in
all the league. But when you
look at him, you're like,
how is this good?
But you watch him play?
You watch how they play off
each other? And they play well together.
They play very well together.
Yeah, they play off each other and they play well together they play very well together yeah they they play they play really well together the same thing with the cavaliers and i understand boston is the reigning defending champ and they still got very good hey look j uh
uh jb yeah eastern conference uh mvp he was finals mvp we know jt he's been an all-nba player the
last three years uh jb has been an all-NBA player the last three years.
JB has been an all-NBA player a couple of years.
But the Cavaliers are the best team in the East.
And right now, it's not close.
It's not close right now.
And obviously, in the West, OKC is the best team.
I mean, and to have two teams like this, a 30-6 and a 32-4,
so you've got 35 games into the season, and you've got two teams that have 30-6 and a 32-4. So you've got 35 games into the season,
and you've got two teams that have 30-plus wins, two of them.
And I think Boston has like 28, 29 wins.
They might have 30 by the end of the night.
I don't know.
And I know they're saying the bat is down,
and I don't like all the three-point shots either.
I don't like them.
They come around chugging up threes left and right.
I mean, I think the average is about 65 to 73 combined per game.
Really?
Yeah, they just chunking them up,
and I don't think people are very, very excited about that,
that style of play.
It a lot has to do with that.
I think the fans don't think the players are playing hard
and they're sitting out.
You know what I'm saying, Ocho?
They got low management.
They got this.
It is impacting the game.
The rating says it.
I don't care what anybody says.
The rating says fans aren't watching the games like they once were.
Yeah, I mean, listen, the game is different.
It's evolved.
It hasn't evolved for the better.
As most would say, if you look at the ratings,
the ratings are suffering because of it. I not sure what adam silver can do i'm not sure what the players can do about it i mean the game play hard and start jacking up threes i mean
listen they they don't play defense they just they shooting the ball they shoot mid-range
they're shooting threes and just and the game isn't going to change.
I'm not sure what they're going to do to attract the eyeballs
and the viewership the way it used to be.
But I don't see it changing anytime soon.
No, because everybody says, you know, that three, you know,
you make two threes, it's the equivalent of, you know,
the percentage you don't need to shoot 50% from three
if you make enough threes.
And so they figure if we make,
if we make somewhere around 23s a night,
we're going to beat you.
Yeah.
Because the likelihood of two teams,
both teams making 20 plus three,
so they're hoping it,
but, you know,
they're getting up 53s a night,
63s a night.
Come on, bro.
Golly.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Come on, bro.
It's all your fault, Steph.
I want you to know,
only four teams have posted a better record through 36 games than
what the Cleveland Cavaliers have golden state.
When they set the record of 73 and nine,
they went 34 and two,
the Philadelphia,
uh,
the warriors.
I think it was the warriors.
Uh,
they were,
uh,
1966,
67.
They were 33 and three,
the Lakers,
uh,
in 71,
72,
they went on a 33-game winning streak,
and they won the title.
They were 33-3, and the Bulls, 95-96, in which they went 72-10,
they're also a 33-3.
So you can see what elite company these teams are in.
Now, Golden State lost to LeBron's team.
Yeah, they lost to LeBron's team. That was the year they went, yeah, they lost to LeBron's team. Yeah, they lost to LeBron's team.
That was the year they went.
Yeah, they lost to LeBron, the 73-9 team.
The Bulls won the titles.
The Lakers won the titles.
Did the Sixers win the titles that year?
I think, no.
I think, what you call it, the Celtics won it.
Because the Celtics won it eight straight years in the 60s.
So, I think they lost one year to the St. Louis Hawks,
led by Bob Pettit, and then they whitewashed it the rest of the way.
But the Cavs look really good.
The guy, D. Mitch, seems to be playing. He seems to be D Mitch seems to be playing he seems to be happy
seems to be like he wants to be there now right uh there were speculations he wanted to go to
Knicks and that still might be the case but I know he's playing extremely well like right now
Darius Garland who's an all-star uh Jared Allen uh not very efficient 9 for 11 you don't have to
run plays for him he's to get it off the rim.
You get penetration, lob it up to him.
The same thing with Mobley.
Mobley didn't shoot the three ball well tonight,
but he's a 40-plus percent shooter from the three ball.
He was efficient from the floor, 8-13.
Those two bigs are going to cause you a problem
because they're going to get a lot of rebounds.
They're going to get a lot of extra chances.
They had 12 offensive rebounds
tonight. So
Cavaliers end
the OKC Thunder's 15
game winning streak
with a 129-122
victory. Ocho,
Bill Belichick to the Raiders.
He has a $10 million
buyout now. It
drops to $1 million on June 1st.
The Raiders have new cash from Tom Brady, Richard Seymour, minority stakes.
Brady, still close with Coach Belichick, could offer him power and control needed to leave UNC.
Well, damn, if that was the case, you got all these college kids happy, got UNC all happy.
Why don't you just wet your happy ass out another month?
Well, listen, he probably know that the opportunity was going to present itself.
I wish Brady had told Bill this a little earlier before he took the job.
That's true.
You can't do that.
Huh?
You can't do that.
See, that's why he didn't know.
So he had to take the job that was available.
I think the vacancy is going to get filled.
I don't think Bill can actually pull out from UNC right now.
He's already invested.
After we work the day, he will.
Yeah, that seemed to be a problem with you too.
Huh?
That seemed to be a problem with you too.
What?
Pulling out.
Hey,
but listen,
listen,
on a serious note,
listen,
after we,
after we left,
after we left work today,
you know,
out there in Philly,
Bill was right back on the road,
you know,
going,
going to recruit.
He's,
he's,
so I mean,
I mean,
he's,
he's,
he's locked in.
I think it would have been a great opportunity for Bill to,
to be the head coach of the Raiders and,
and have that full control to, to kind of build the type of team you want to.
I think the only issue for Bill is if he was to go to the Raiders,
I mean, he still wouldn't have a quarterback.
You still don't know what the quarterback system would be like.
Yeah, you got to get one.
I mean, they're going to be in position.
Why are you in here?
Why are you trying to steal my shine, bro?
Who that?
Who that?
Who that?
Titus tried to steal my shine, man.
What up, twin?
What up, twin?
You want to go stay with Ocho in Miami?
Yeah, come on down here, man.
Come on down here. Nah, he ain't got no treats.
He ain't going to take me on the walk.
Ain't no pretty dogs in that hood.
Say, nah, there ain't no scenery down there.
Yeah, he good.
Everybody got them little dogs.
Bring him on down here.
I'll take good care of him.
I think the thing is, Brady, look, Tom understands what it looks.
Maybe that wears on you, Ocho.
But at the end of the day, Tom Brady wants to win.
Yeah.
And Tom Brady, like, yeah, I can assure you that Coach Belichick's style wears on you.
But winning, if I'm going to win, wear on me.
Right.
Right.
Ride me. Go ahead. This is what I have to say win, wear on me. Ride me.
This is what I have to say about Coach Belichick's style.
I think this is one of the reasons why he's gone to the collegiate level.
To show the owners, to show people that he can resonate with the younger crowd.
He can resonate with the younger generation.
Even though he has a certain coaching style. He's going to show you
that he can change. He can adapt
to today's era
and today's climate as far as the kids
and coaching is concerned and find
a way where you can relate to them
just like the younger coaches that are taking all the
goddamn jobs in the NFL now.
I think it's hard
enough for Coach Belichick because these kids
here, they making money.
Everybody in the NFL want to build a brand.
Offensive linemen want a brand.
D-linemen want a brand.
Everybody want a brand, Ocho.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so ain't nobody really trying to listen.
Everybody trying to, oh, I'm going to start me a podcast.
I'm going to start this.
I want people to know who I am, blah, blah, blah.
I'm preparing for the future.
And they don't realize it's a lot easier to build a brand when you win.
Jordan brand was built on winning. Tiger brand was built when you win. Jordan brand was built on winning.
Tiger brand was built on winning.
Tom's brand was built on winning.
LeBron on winning.
Steph Curry on winning.
It's a lot easier to build a brand when you win.
People want to associate with the winners.
It's not that complicated.
I think sometimes we make it more complicated than what it is.
Right.
But when you win, look at Jeter.
Jeter was a winner.
And so when you win, people want to be around winners.
It's always been like that.
Mm-hmm.
I don't know why you're so needed tonight.
I've been around here all day.
I wasn't having a show.
I've been with you all day, bro.
This Joker here?
Man, I don't know
what's going on here
with the night, Ocho.
I've been riding this Joker
all the phone.
Nah, he hear my voice.
He hear my voice.
Oh, I've been riding you
all day.
But,
it's,
I mean,
for me,
I think Coach Belichick,
because here's the difference
between a college kid
and an NFL adult the
college kids are trying to get to the NFL right that's why the coach is the end all be all he's
a de facto boss I gotta say the NFL I'm already in the NFL what you gonna do I make 30 million
I make more than you right it's hard to tell somebody that makes more than you what to do yeah normally
the boss he makes the most he tells you what to do right ash over here shaking her head
but in the nfl show you know these guys and we're going to talk about this a little later
about the miami dolphin situation what mike what Mike McDaniel said earlier today.
But I think Coach Belichick, yeah, you got to get a quarterback.
I don't care.
Coach Belichick is great as he is.
We saw when he didn't have a quarterback, it didn't work out very well.
You can't do nothing.
You can't do nothing.
You can't do nothing. And listen, right now, if he was to go to that job and not have a quarterback and lose,
I think his leash would be just as short as everybody else.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
His leash would be just as short as everybody else, and there would be no way for him to compete at any level until he gets someone in there that he can build around.
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But let's see.
I mean, there's going to be some quarterbacks available.
Do you make a play for Sam Donald if he's available?
If they trade J.J. McCarthy, do you make a play for him?
Cousins, he might be available.
Do you trade for him?
I mean, look, there'll still be a quarterback.
I mean, you might have to move up if you want a Cam Ward
or you want a Shadur.
Maybe it all depends.
You got Brock Bowers.
You got Jacoby Myers.
I mean, you got some okay pieces. I mean, Brock Bowers is You got Jacoby Myers. I mean, you got some piece of that.
You got some okay pieces.
I mean, Brock Bowers is legit now.
Real deal.
Jacoby Myers had an outstanding year this year.
Maybe you add another wide out.
Hey, do you go get a Tee Higgins?
Ooh, now that we talk.
Okay, is there?
See, that's the thing.
Yeah.
There are so many teams that need a number one receiver
that has the cap space.
You do so. The that has the cap space? You can do so.
The Patriots got cap space.
So if I go put T. Higgins
in Foxborough
with Drake May, they got Jalen
Pope. They got Hunter Henry.
Ramondre
Stephenson.
I think it's Stephenson.
So they got decent pieces.
Yeah.
So that's the thing.
Tell me,
because June 1st is too much.
I mean,
no, Ocho,
I need a coach in place
sooner rather than later.
Right.
Because they got this June 1st thing
like it's a June 1st designation for release.
You know how they do the NFL playoffs, don't you?
If this would be a remission now, but after June 1st, it's this.
And you see right now, you got a $10 million buyout now,
which is after June 1st you get,
because they know the likelihood of a coach signing June 1st.
But we want to punish you.
Right.
Get a little bit of this money back.
Yeah.
So what you think?
Yeah, I don't, honestly, I don't see it happening.
And knowing Bill, understanding his character,
knowing how he is, once he's locked in into a situation,
he's all in.
Right.
He's all in.
He's not going to be on the road doing all the things he's doing.
He's been sworn in as the head coach of UNC.
He's made promises, and he's going to fulfill those promises there at UNC.
Now, if anything, he might play, he might coach for a year or a year or two,
and that buyout, you know, that clause, whatever it may be,
might be triggered, and he comes to the NFL.
And maybe the Raiders' job might not be there.
It might not be there.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
You're not going, hey, we saw this with the Patriots.
We saw, we're going to talk about this a little later.
Right.
One and done.
Guys, I mentioned Jalen Pope.
If you look at Quentin Johnson, if you look at his rookie year,
you would have thought he was a bust.
Y'all quit the labor of somebody a bust after one year.
Right.
I can tell y'all, y'all don't know football.
Because y'all expect everybody to be Jamar Chase.
Y'all expect every receiver to be Justin Jefferson.
Y'all expect every running back to be Derrick Henry,
Barry Sanders, or Emmitt Smith.
Sometimes, it takes
longer.
Every tight end that comes in the league
ain't going to be Brock Bowers.
Every quarterback ain't going to be
a, you know,
start off like, be Jane Daniels.
But that's what y'all expect because
y'all don't know the game. Because y'all just expect everybody automatically to boom, boom, boom.
Come out like gangbusters.
It doesn't work like that.
I said, Jalen Polk, you should be happy.
Oh, I don't watch football.
Well, if I didn't watch football, how the hell I know Jalen Polk was on the Patriots?
Oh, you do watch football.
But anyway, as I was saying, sometimes, Ocho, it takes you a little longer
to mature and turn into the player that they thought you –
that doesn't always happen.
Sometimes you have a bad rookie year, a bad second year, a bad third year,
and they get your ass out of there.
One of my former teammates' son, they took him in the Eagles.
They took Jalen – what did it mean?
Didn't he go to Jalen Rigger?
Didn't he go to the Eagles?
That's my dude, man.
I love Rigger, man.
But the Eagles.
And think about who they passed on.
They left Justin Jefferson on the board.
Yeah.
Look at some of the guys that they passed on.
And it didn't work out for whatever reasons.
But sometimes guys need a little bit more time to get,
because the NFL game is different than the collegiate game.
Yeah.
Guys put hands on you, especially once they find out you have trouble
against press coverage.
Enough.
Yeah, man.
Everybody going to put hands on you.
Yeah.
That's just the way it is.
That's how, but the film study is different.
Because once a guy find out your weakness,
well, you're going to have to get up out of that.
Yeah.
It's just like Adrian Peterson had to break the habit of fumbling the football
because they started attacking the football.
Mm-hmm.
You got a problem putting that ball in the dirt?
Ooh, we're going to try to punch it out every time, Ocho.
Oh, you got a problem getting off press coverage, huh?
Yeah.
And listen.
Not everybody up there thinks like Lester Hayes.
Listen, and obviously, and then when you do have
issues like that
at the receiver position,
you know,
then you make your offensive
coordinating job
a little bit more,
a little bit more difficult
because now you got
a scheme you open.
Yeah, yeah.
Now they have to find ways
to push your positions
to free yourself up
and get you open on their own.
Right.
I call it,
I call it as a receiver,
you can make your coach's job that much more easier
the more you're able to do.
The more you can do as far as your skill set is concerned,
the easier you make everyone's job around you.
Right.
Yeah, but I can only scheme so much, Ocho.
There's only so many times I can stack the formation,
I can bunch the formation, I can motion the formation.
At some point in time, I got to put you outside
the number and say, son, go get open.
Hell.
At some point in time,
I'm going to need you
and this is what I tell guys,
I'm going to need you to play above the play sheet.
That's what I'm going to need. I got all these
plays. I got 200 plays on the sheet, but I'm going to need
you to play above that. I like that. And that's what I'm going to need. I got all these plays. I got 200 plays on the sheet, but I'm going to need you to play above that. I like that.
And that's what I always tell the young.
Yes, they got all those plays, but sometimes I need you to play above that
because I can't always diagram plays to scheme you open.
Right.
I need you to go get open, just like on the defense.
Yeah, I can run all these twists and exits, and I can run a text, I can run a wex,
I can run, you know, I can run a swill.
I can do all this stuff.
But at some point in time, son,
just go beat the man in front of you.
Damn.
That's what it comes down to, son.
Just go beat the man in front of you.
Right.
And it's really that simple.
So we'll see what Coach Belichick does.
Tom Brady's had great success with Coach Belichick.
He knows that system works, but he also knows he needs a quarterback
to make that system work.
Right.
Because defensively, he's going to be able to scheme it up.
He's going to try to minimize the mistakes.
He knows that you pay a heavy price when you turn the football over.
He knows nothing cheap, nothing deep.
Coach Belichick does not like to give up big plays.
He wants you to go on 12, 13, 15 play drive
because there's a greater chance
if you have a 15 play drive
that something will happen
or if you let somebody bomb over your head
in three plays.
So that's what Coach Belichick tries to do.
He tries to make you nickel and dime
your way down the field.
Now, if he get a Gilly,
defensive player of the year,
or he get a Revis,
he ain't got no problem playing man coverage
if he got the dog to go play it.
And the funny thing about it,
it's what Bill will do.
If you don't know Bill,
when you play the better teams,
he going to put the best corner,
let's say like a Revis,
he going to put Revis on the number two
and then on your number one,
he going to double your number one.
Yep.
Yep. Yep.
And that's how a lot of guys do it.
But Coach Belichick, we'll see what he does.
I know at the end of the day, he wants to be in the NFL.
Yeah.
I mean, I've never seen a coach like this, this credential, go back, go down.
But it just goes to show you how much he loves coaching.
Yeah.
He wants to coach.
He's a coach.
And he needs to partake that knowledge and wisdom on someone
and just sitting around talking to you,
slapping though inside the NFL.
That wasn't good enough for him.
Yeah.
Also,
I think he likes the challenge.
I think he likes that it presents and it is,
it's something good for him to,
to,
to somewhat dominate outside just like he did in the NFL.
So I'm sure he's going to enjoy it.
Gerard Mayo struggled with discipline and how to enforce it.
Pat players lost faith in Mayo during the season.
Gerard Mayo played cards with players after Arizona lost
instead of watching film with assistant coaches.
The report says on the long prank plane ride back,
most of Mayo's assistants grabbed their laptops and studied cut-ups from the loss,
the customary move for NFL coaches during a return flight after the game.
But in a move that surprised some at the front of the plane after such a lopsided loss, according to a team source,
Mayo left his spot near the front and went back where some of the players had gathered to play cards,
choosing to hang out while his assistant watched film.
What you think, my down?
You think that's true?
For them to get off that man after one year, Ocho?
And then I don't like the whole I lost faith in the coach, man.
Listen, you have a job to do.
You have a job to do. you have a job to do your
faith is supposed to be in you as a head coach he has a job to do boom exit nose leader of men all
that stuff man all that i have faith in i ain't trying to hear all that you got a job to do
you go to practice every day you're a grown man you get paid to play a goddamn game that you love
i don't know if he was an assistant coach if he was assistant coach right he wanted to go because every day you're a grown man, you get paid to play a goddamn game that you love.
I don't want anybody to know.
If he was an assistant coach,
if he was assistant coach,
and he wanted to go,
as the head coach, you can't do that. Yeah, you can't do that.
I understand.
Not the head guy.
Right.
Now, if you're a position coach,
but normally, normally,
you ain't doing none of that issue after a loss.
No.
You ain't playing no cards.
I don't know what type of
playing they on.
Right.
That wasn't no soul playing.
When we lost,
that thing was silent.
Quiet.
You was search mouse.
You whispering.
Yeah.
Ain't no,
now if you win,
oh yeah,
we're throwing caution to the wind.
You wow.
You wow.
Yes.
Yes.
And we playing cards
before, you know, we started, And we playing card before, you know,
we start, I mean,
we all, you know,
we always had what
advertisers, sponsors
that ride the plane.
Man, we used to roll dice.
Man, we done took our jacket off,
loosened up our tie shirt.
Hey, we rolling dice.
Until Mike came back
and said, guys,
it's not.
Until Mike came,
Mike told us,
hey, it's not a good look.
You know, we got sponsors. We got advertisers riding the plane. Look, I understand that you guys want to told us, hey, it's not a good look. You know, we got sponsors.
We got advertisers riding the plane.
Look, I understand that you guys want to have,
but hey, let's not roll the dice.
Let's not have money.
Okay.
Hey, what room you in?
Oh, yeah.
Hey, so, hey,
because, you know,
because they have all the keys,
you know, the room on the table.
Right, right. when you walk in
Ocho is in
825
yeah
amen
hey
card game
dice game
up at 825
I remember them days
but like I said
I
on the plane
that I was on
right
it wasn't a whole lot
of noise going on
we lost the game Ocho
yeah
now you know
for a couple years
we didn't lose
a whole lot of games I think in 96 97 98 we lost what three seven we lost nine games in three years
so there was a lot of a lot of hoopla a lot of fun going on but for the most part man you ain't
doing no talking about what did i want to talk about i'm mad we lost i'm mad i'm sore i'm moody i'm irritable no yeah i mean and listen there's certain things you know
as a coach that you can't do especially after after after a loss when i think about it a coach
like that he's a player's coach he's someone someone that played the game. I think he's a little different than Dan Campbell,
but I can see Dan Campbell doing something like that.
Yeah, after a win.
But instead, like Eddie Hunter, but as a head coach to Ocho.
A head coach still, even after a win, you have to rise above stuff like that.
Now, we had some position coaches.
They would come in there and shoot shots with us.
Or they would do certain things.
But not Mike.
Right.
Not Brian Biff.
Not, hell no.
And Dan Reed, first of all, wasn't none of Dan's coaches doing that
because Dan was old school and all his damn coaches was old school.
Old school, yeah.
Hell, now that was going to fly.
And the funny thing about it is we're thinking about it from a perspective
of how old school coaches would be.
But I'm thinking about this generation, this generation and the younger coaches, you know, to not relate to the players more, but be able to connect with the players more.
And doing some of the things that would be normally be frowned upon, you know, when it comes to head coaching position.
So I kind of see it, but I kind of don't.
And I kind of stand with you
in a sense for saying
as a head coach
you just can't be doing that
there's certain things
you just can't do Ocho
right right
but also Ocho
you got to realize
it's only one year removed
from Coach Belichick
so you're going to have to
get some years in there
before you get that idea
that ideology
and that line of thinking
out of the building
because a lot of those people are still thinking the same way.
Right.
And so once you get a couple years, you win.
Now you get, and I get what he was trying to do.
He was trying to be like, okay, Coach Belichick did it this way.
But I think Coach Belichick was, let's just say this is as far as you can go left.
That's as far as you can go.
I think he went too far
right right instead of finding some place in the middle ocho i thought he he maybe have gone too
far to the right okay to try to say well i'm i'm going as far away from what koji belichick did
as i possibly can and sometimes we have to find a middle ground yeah in order to operate to get
the job done but uh yeah but I think everybody was surprised.
I mean, I didn't expect to hear this coming out.
And it came from, like I said, Ocho, it's hard, man, when people, team sources,
like I said, when people start, people don't want to get sued.
Right.
For putting out faulty reports.
Just like Jimmy Butler's agent did all that talking.
Oh, Shams, I don't normally take
time. Now look.
Yeah. Shams
says, I've never vetted a story
more than I vetted this story.
He did all
that hollering, all that hollering, yelling,
and screaming to try to direct.
Yeah, that was true. Right. Yeah.
And come to
find out,
it was true. And that's. And come to find out, it was true.
And that's what you have to be careful of.
Because like I said, if there was no leaks, there was no NFL source,
no team source, why would we need an Adam Sheffield?
Why would we need a Jay Glazer?
Where do you think they get that from?
Yeah.
It kind of got to come from somewhere.
They built up relationships.
Yeah.
Because guess what, Ocho?
A coach might be one place.
You got a relationship with him.
Guess what?
He goes to another place.
You still got that relationship with him.
A general manager's at one place.
He goes to another place.
You still got that relationship with him.
You built up a relationship with a player.
Player moves.
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
Guess what you do, Ocho?
You got a source. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Guess what you do, Ocho? You got a source.
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
People don't look at it like that.
Oh, he lied.
I'm telling you how it works.
I ain't telling you what somebody told me. I'm telling you what I know.
Everything comes from somewhere.
Right.
And that's why they say my source.
Well, if you ever, if Adam Schefter ever outed any one of his sources, he'd never work another day again.
No.
If Jay Glazer, if Shams or Awoj, when they were reporting, said, I got this from X, they would never, never work another day because nobody would ever give him.
And when they give you information, you didn't get it from me.
Right.
Okay.
Put it in your words. Make it sound like you talking. I ain't telling you from me. Right. Okay. Put it in your words.
Make it sound like you talking.
I ain't telling you what somebody told you.
I'm telling you what I know.
But they get mad at me when I was talking about stuff that I knew for a fact.
Oh, how do you know you ain't in the locker room?
I might as well be.
I might as well be in the locker room.
Oh, yeah.
But you notice, don't you?
I don't really do this anymore because I'm like away from yeah. But you notice, I don't really do this anymore
because I'm like away from it,
but I notice, but when people say
what I was saying, what I was saying when I was on there,
ain't nobody say she had a line.
Nah. That was the fan
talking about, I don't know what I'm talking about.
But ain't nobody in the organization, not a player,
not a coach, not a GM,
they would say, I don't know.
That ain't, not a GM. They would say, oh, that is, I don't know. That is, that is.
I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
So I like, I feel bad because one year is not a lot of time.
A lot.
One year, one year is nothing.
Nothing.
That's the shortest leash ever.
And all that is, is admitting that I think I made the wrong choice when you thought I was the successor for Bill Belichick.
He handpicked him.
Yeah, you got to give him a chance.
He didn't even give him a chance.
And then not only that, you interviewed Byron Lefkowitz.
You interviewed Pep Hamilton.
Man, you ain't finna hire none of them.
Listen, you got to check the boxes for the ruling rule.
You got to check the boxes.
You know you're going to bring in Vrabel.
You know you're going to bring in Vrabel and allow him to take over.
And now Vrabel will get the grace to continue to improve the team.
Right away, he'll get more than a year.
But he also got to think of your quarterback.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, he'll benefit
from that.
He'll benefit from that.
Drake May has shown
Drake May has shown
flashes of
being a very good quarterback
and obviously as a rookie, he's
at his bad moments. Yes.
You know, which is
normal. They have a good quarterback
though. They have a good quarterback.
They have to work with in the future.
Even if that was the case,
I hate that somebody put that out there
because that makes him look bad for
his next employer. Right.
That's the thing that I don't like. Okay.
All that might be true. I'm not saying that it is. I'm not saying that it isn't because I don't like. Okay. All that might be true. I'm not saying
that it is. I'm not saying that it isn't because I don't know. And I haven't called any around
because I don't care enough to call around and ask and find out if it was true. But all I'm saying
is that that follows you. If somebody put that out there, so that's why you got to be careful
what you allow people to say about you because that follows you to your next job.
That follows you to your next employment.
Go ahead, Ocho.
What you think about Vrabel coming back, right?
Well, he's coming back regardless.
What you think about Mayo taking it, going back to the defensive coordinator job?
I don't like that.
You don't like that at all?
Let me ask you a question.
You're the CEO of a company.
And somebody hired a new CEO.
And they said, OK, Ocho, you go back to work and be the president.
You cool with that?
No, I'm not cool.
Exactly.
You might go be the president at somebody else's company.
Right.
But you ain't going to be the president at that company.
Right.
Okay.
I was just curious.
I was just curious.
Listen, having a job is better than not having one at all.
Because you got to-
Hold on.
They gave me three years.
I got two more years to pay.
Okay, I see.
I might not have no job, but I got money coming.
I ain't got no job, but I do got money coming in.
All right, that's a good one.
When you put it like that, okay.
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Oh, Joe. Mike Mcdaniel said that some players have been repeatedly late this year and fine multiple times he said that the fines haven't been effective and nothing moved the needle
let's take a listen to what he had to say i can find people um till they're blue in the face i can
take their money i can yell at them um but until they understand that part of the reason that we're in the position is controllable and we
have to, with absolute certainty and zero tolerance for anything else, we have to
clean the controllables up and we can have a chance to have success together. So certain specific individuals that,
you know, I don't think it was across the board. There's a lot of guys that,
you know, had certain finds before that didn't have any. There were some people that had
multiple that, you know, I think there's different ways to kind of counteract that.
Bringing it up as a team and continuing to find guys wasn't enough.
So I'm not going to continue to just place all blame on even some of the smallest of individuals
that were multiple offenders.
I'm going to adjust my process and make sure that it's team-wide knowledge
any time that things are done that aren't in the best interest
of winning a football game.
Hey, let me tell you something.
When you're losing, you notice how everything is magnified?
Never accept anything in a win,
you win in a loss.
In a loss, yeah.
It's hard for me to believe
that they just started showing up late this year.
Now, I could be totally wrong, Ocho.
I'm not there.
Right.
But it's just hard for me to believe
that guys,
because being late is a repeated behavior.
Yeah.
It is Miami, huh?
You know that, huh?
It is Miami. You know them know that, huh? It is Miami.
You know them late nights
at Tootsies and late nights at
G5 and late nights at
Club Space and all the
stuff they have going on. You know not winning?
I can understand.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Can I ask you a question? Yes.
Why are they talking about that?
Why are they talking about that today anyway?
Why is that even a concern?
Or is he using that as a question on why they were losing?
Well, I mean, it just goes to show you just how little control that coaches have,
especially when you let that behavior go.
It's going to be hard for him to crack down because he's been so lenient.
It's easier to be hard and lighten up
as opposed to be light and try to toughen up.
Right.
And I've been in situations, and I understand it.
It was a lot easier for me to deal with anything
after I had Coach Reeves.
Coach Reeves was old school.
He played for Coach Landry.
He was an offensive coordinator under
Coach Landry. And Coach Landry was
very matter-of-fact. Coach Landry did with no
nonsense. He did not bulljive.
And so anything that
came after that, it was hard for me to believe
unless I got Coach Lombardi
that it was going to be any tougher than what I
had to deal with with Coach Reeves.
But see, also
the way I grew up very structured
this is what you do if you don't do it i'm gonna tear your ass up yeah it was simple for me but no
well i wonder what happened if i don't take this trash out and papa told me to take this trash out
i wonder what's gonna happen yeah okay freddy told me to have this grass cut by the time she got off
work i wonder what's gonna happen there was no wondering there was no i don't know what's gonna happen right but it's because now these players don't
have no fear of authority they make so much money so if you take a thousand dollars you take two
thousand dollars that don't mean nothing to this and you you also have to remember players that do
come late and those that these things you're he thinks you're you're regular normal players you know that yeah he's talking about what's coming these are his best players
oh yeah that that's that's who doing it because obviously the players who don't make that kind
of money the players who aren't superstars ain't the ones showing up late no that's definitely not
that's definitely not what's happening so listen listen, you got to talk. You talk to your big dogs.
You talk to your players that had that that had that that don that see on your chest on the jersey.
And I'm getting getting boys in line, get them in order.
Well, how can they get in line and be late?
I mean, how can you tell me how can you tell me to be on time when I'm sitting in my chair and you walking in five, 10 minutes late?
Right. You late to practice. I'm sitting in my chair and you walking in five, 10 minutes late. Right.
You late to practice.
I'm just trying to figure out what I'm trying to be.
I can see guys,
you know,
guys,
guys,
you come out there,
shoes on time,
everything.
Hey,
two o'clock.
You ain't going to be on that feed.
Right.
Hey,
you might have your shoulder pad.
and Mike still might be in one of the moods.
They say you late because your shoulder pads, you ain't dressed so that still might cost you right right right right but i'm
trying to figure out ocho you how do you late when you already there yeah i can ocho i can i don't i
can't say i see but ocho you already in the damn building how you late for practice when you already at the place you
need to practice at right i don't know i don't know they got they gotta get it together though
i know that look i was late i've been late twice in my life once uh i depended on somebody else
that won't happen again.
That's why I don't depend on nobody else.
And then it was a snowstorm.
And Mike said, hey, when did you realize it was going to be a storm?
You should have left earlier.
You're right.
You're right.
Go and take the little $1,200 out of my check.
You're right.
I'm wrong.
Hey, hey, hey.
It wasn't like I didn't.
Hey, I'm in Colorado.
Right.
It was snowing when I left.
As a matter of fact, we had played to Carolina.
I'm offensive player of the game, Mocho.
I don't think if I hadn't been offensive player of the game,
I don't even know if he'd know I was late.
Because he called offensive player of the game.
Hey, this guy had seven catches, buck 74.
Hey, I'm all pro, 84.
President.
Man, somebody say, hey, thank you, coach.
Damn.
But Ocho, Ocho, you can't be, Ocho, late to meetings.
Yeah.
Late to practice.
Come on, guys.
But see, that just goes to show you.
That explains why teams don't win.
See, y'all think it's all about the game.
All fans see is the game.
Games are won Monday through Friday.
Monday through Friday because the discipline
that it requires you
to get your ass
to practice on time,
get your ass
to meetings on time.
That's the discipline
that you will need
to display come Sunday
in order to win.
I never understood that.
I'm glad that I grew up
how I grew up.
I didn't understand
at the time
that while my grandfather, everything was punctual we was always the first to church
church don't start for another 30 minutes but we there sitting in the damn car and then 15
minutes before we sitting on the front seat in the church ain't nobody else there but barney
mary portico make sure your black ass was there i just but that's just go that i but that's just, that's just me.
That's just me.
I just,
I'm going to be on time.
I just think that's just a common courtesy.
I think everybody should be on time.
Right.
That's not asking too much.
That's your job.
I mean,
I'm trying to figure out what other job does the NFL player have Ocho that will require him to be late.
I get it.
Maybe for some unforeseen circumstances,
there was an emergency.
Child got sick. You had to
take the child. Mom
or wife, girlfriend.
I get it. There are
extenuating circumstances.
But
it seems like every time there's
a new coach, I got an uncle and aunt that
came back to life.
You can't win like that.
That's why I'm glad I don't play today.
I don't care if tight end salaries got to 100 million.
Right.
Because I care more about winning, and these guys don't.
And fans get upset with me sharing how you know.
This is how you know. This is how you know.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
One thing about it,
when you're winning,
it's looked over.
That's why you don't look over.
When you're losing,
everything is magnified.
Every mistake,
every mistake,
anything you're doing wrong as a team,
as an individual,
it's used as a reason
on why we're not winning.
That's why you don't overlook it when you're winning.
Mike Shanahan didn't say, oh, guys, we winning, so you miss weight.
Don't worry about it this week.
He didn't say, oh, we winning.
We don't won 12.
We don't won eight in a row.
We don't won nine in a row.
We this and that.
No, no, no, no no no no no no and guys
that lead you can't ask more than you're willing to give yeah how you will ask a player to do
something that you showed up late get the f out my face you were late right and then you mess around
and you blow an assignment and then you look at around everybody else. And you messed up. I got no, that's like I said, God put me in the situation.
He made me be born in 68.
Now we look, I talked to a lot of the guys, uh, uh, man, man, you may tell my mom couldn't
wait another three or four years.
Hell, I was my mom's last kid at 25.
You couldn't wait until I was, till you were 32 and dropped me.
Right.
Hey, no, I want no part of that ocho these guys don't care they don't care enough i'm not saying they don't care they don't
care enough right losing don't bother them you know why because you're not invested enough anytime
let me ask you a question ocho if you put your money if you put your money in something and you
lost a million dollars you're gonna be very upset because you know how hard you worked for that damn million
dollars. Absolutely. Absolutely. There you go. That's what I want people to see. Yeah. You know
why I care so much? Because I know how much time that I've spent in doing this. What I denied
myself, how I denied my family, how I denied sleep, eat, just to be this. A lot of sacrifice.
It hurts when it doesn't work out.
Yeah.
It don't bother people enough.
It doesn't.
Jags owner Sean Conn said that he'll get rid of GM Trent Baalke
if a prospective head coach gives Conn a credible reason.
With Baalke right there.
Ocho, you got to watch this.
Listen to this.
If they were to say, I would like to reevaluate the front office and the general manager,
what would your response be?
My response would be, how would you improve it?
And then if it is credible, you know, I mean, you want to do it.
Okay.
Does he not realize Trent Balkike is on the video too, with him?
I don't know what's wrong with Brother Khan, man.
I have no idea.
He has a lot of issues going on.
Listen, Baalke has his ruin with some of the picks
and some of the things that he's brought in.
I'm not sure what's wrong with Trevor Lawrence.
Right now, the only shining bright light they have over there in Jacksonville
is Brian Thomas Jr.
I'm hoping Trevor Lawrence can live up to the hype, the money he's being paid,
and he bounces back.
The Jaguars don't even have nowhere to play next year, Unc.
You know that?
What? What's wrong with that?
What's wrong with the stadium they play at?
I think they're renovating the stadium or
something is going on
where their new stadium is not going to be ready
for two years. Something to that magnitude.
So where are they going to play at?
I have no idea. I mean, Orlando's right
down the street. Gainesville is right down the street.
And they're a stadium that can hold
the amount of people that can,
you know, see the NFL stadium.
But, I mean, I don't think they're a team that's going to sell out.
If they're going to be fans in the seats,
they coming to see Brian Thomas Jr., I can tell you that.
Objectively, it used to be good.
I don't know.
Something is wrong with owners. And to be the owners of teams, they don't act like they're owners.
Jerry Jones doesn't act like an owner.
Mr. Connie doesn't act like he's the owner.
Do you know how many coaches he's been through?
Yeah.
Do you know how many head coaches he's been through?
And it starts at the top
and it starts with you it starts with you and making better decisions and bulky too as a gm
better decision making i mean but again when you're the owner you can do this
yeah look i was i'm old enough to remember when jacksonville had really good teams when they had
keenan and they had uh uh smith jimmy smith and they had natron and they had uh brunel
and the stadium was packed oh yeah i remember that so jacksonville fans will come out
well yeah if you give them something to come out for. Yeah. Because that's a football town.
The closest basketball, I guess,
is Atlanta or Miami. Yeah.
Well, you can go to Atlanta or Orlando, but that's
football there. The South is football.
Always.
I don't care what anybody tell you.
Yeah. It's football.
The South is football.
And they like college football.
Now, the Gators, Tallahassee, right up.
But it's a football town.
And if Jacksonville gave them something, those fans coming out.
Because I've seen it.
I've seen it.
Every time.
But it doesn't.
I mean, you keep the general manager who hired the head coach,
but you fired a head coach.
And then if another coach comes in and give you,
okay, I can't work with Balky.
I want somebody that I'm in unison with.
Yeah, that you can trust.
Yes.
Start there.
You can trust. And plus, I got to get him out of there That you can trust. Yes. Start there. You can trust.
And plus, I got to get him out of there
because you're already too close to the owner.
So I got a feeling that you're going to be in his ear
and you're going to be putting bull jive in his ear.
So I need to get you out of the building.
That's first and foremost.
That's the first and foremost thing that I'm going to do.
Bingo.
So I need to be in a situation where
me and the general manager, we're like this here.
Mm-hmm. And I can go to the owner. So I need to be in a situation where me and the general manager were like this here.
And I can go to the owner.
If I mean, you can't agree on something.
But Trent Baalke is already too close because he got a three year relationship or two or three year head start.
It's terms of the relationship than what I have.
And he's already in his ear.
Because that's why he stayed and Dougie P is gone.
But nah, I'm good.
I don't, I don't.
But like I said, I don't know.
Look, Trevor Lawrence is going to have to play better than what he's played.
They got a great, they got a great, look.
They got Brian Thomas Jr.
They got Evan Ingram.
They got Tank.
And they got ATN.
Yeah, Trevor.
So they got some nice, solid pieces.
They got some pieces on defense.
I think they need to improve the back end.
Mm-hmm.
But they got some guys up front.
They got something to work with.
Yeah.
And you would expect from what we saw from Trevor Lawrence at Clemson,
his growth, he should be growing and getting better year to year,
and instead he's regressing.
He's regressing, but the emergence of Brian Thomas Jr.
should make his job a little easier.
It should make his job a little easier.
Let me turn this air off, man.
I'm in here free.
Yeah, but they had some pieces.
I mean, Christian Kirk, but they had some uh they had some pieces I mean Christian Kirk but
I think Kirk got injured um Brian Thomas Jr. Tank Billingsley I think that's his name
or Bigsby Tank Bigsby I think Bigsby is his name they got got Etienne. They got Evan Ingram. Yeah. They got some
nice pieces on the offensive side, but Trevor Lawrence
needs to play like the number one overall
draft pick. He needs to play like the guy
they selected him to be.
He has to be more consistent
and he got to stay healthy.
Got to earn that pick check, baby.
Yeah.
What did the Jags pick this year?
Is there a corner that's available?
They need, I think they, look,
it all depends on what they're going to do.
They pick five?
They pick five, Ocho.
What you think they?
At five?
If Travis Hunter,
I'm taking Travis Hunter, so no brainer. Man, Travis Hunter then I'm taking
Travis Hunter
so no brainer
man Travis Hunter
ain't gonna be there
in no five man
I'm just saying
just if he is
oh hypothetically
speaking yeah
he ain't gonna be there
I see they probably
go
probably go
offensive line
or defensive line
one or the other
see that
I mean normally guys have a kid.
I think he and his wife just welcomed a baby girl.
Guys normally play well.
Look at Mahomes' kid.
Phillip Rivers' kid.
Big Ben had kids.
You know, guys, Peyton.
Brady had, hey, Brady won a bowl, four Super Bowls.
He started having kids.
He had three.
He didn't want four more.
Oh, yeah. Hey, this might be the start of something, Ocho. I don't know. Brady won a boat won four Super Bowls after he started having kids he had three and he won four more oh yeah
so hey
this might be the start
of something old Chuck
I don't know
but uh
yeah
the Jazz got to do better
than this
they got to give
they got to give those fans
something that they can
they can get their
sink their teeth in
they can put their arms around
and be proud of
yeah
I ain't talking about Duvall
because Duvall
swear they going to the Super Bowl every year.
And then it's Duvall, we on some bull jive.
But let him tell it.
They go, hey, they go win it.
They go beat Kansas City.
They go into the Super Bowl every year.
Duvall sound like a cowboy face.
He delusional.
But you think they take a
you think they take
an O-line or D-line
yeah O-line
O-line or D-line
you know
I'm
I'm trying to think
there are no
skill position players
the quarterbacks
are going first
Travis Hunter
will be going
before pick five
so I mean
there's
there's
some good
good
O-line and D-line
that are out there
that are going
to go in the early rounds?
Yeah.
The mock draft has them taking the D-linemen out of Michigan.
Oh, see?
It is.
They probably should have took Hutchinson over the guy that they took.
Hutch?
Remember, they had the number one pick
and they took the guy out of Georgia.
Trayvon Walker.
But they forgot all the,
think about all the draft picks that he was,
all the high draft picks that he was playing around.
Right, right, right, right, right.
Trayvon Walker, he didn't have a bad season, did he?
He had no, Hutch had seven and a half sacks
and missed 12 games
didn't he go to the Pro Bowl last year
he went to the Pro Bowl last year
that's the real deal
he's the real deal
he is
he is as advertised
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