Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Browns Give Kevin Stefanski the BOOT + Pete Carroll DOESN'T LAST in Las Vegas + Zac Taylor tells his STAFF they're SAFE + Ocho's SPOKEN WORD to Ravens Tyler Loop

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to the Cleveland Browns have fired Kevin Stefanski has head coach, the Las Vegas Raiders have fired Pete Carroll as head coach and Zac Taylor says he is not changing any staff members after rough season and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 5:20 - Browns give Stefanski the boot30:02 - Raiders fired Pete Carroll after 1 season51:45 - Zac Taylor aren’t changing staff in Cincy58:00 - Ocho’s Spoken Word segment (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on. I thought you got all this out. I thought you got all this out. No, we did. Hey, hey, Joe, I'm kind of confused, too. He keeps talking about teams not making the playoffs when the Raymond didn't make it. Oh, you thought what happened us, Ocho.

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end of your season, but in the NFL, Monday is called Black Monday because that's what a lot of organizations turn over and fire their coaches and go in a different direction. Sometimes they fire general manager and coaches. Sometimes it's just a coach. But in this situation, we're going to start off with the Cleveland Browns. They have fired Kevin Stefansky after six years.

He's a two-time coach of the year, and he won Cleveland's first playoff game in more than 25 years. Despite those accolades, Stefansky exit with a 45 and 56 record and went 8 and 26 in his last two season. The majority of Stefansky's success came with Baker Mayfield, but the Browns, rounds have since traded him away. This is the list of passes in no particular order that has come along since Baker. Deshaun Watson, Jacoby Brissette, Joe Flacco, James Winston, Chodor Sanders,

Dylan Gabriel, Dorian Thompson, P.J. Walker, Jeff, Driscoll, and Bailey Zappie. That's a lot of quarterbacks. Now, it was reported today, and I don't know, Pete Priscoe, who writes for CBSports.com, he's reported that Stefansky never wanted Deshawn Watson. I don't know if you saw it, but I was talking to John, and I asked him one of the reasons why I asked him, you know, one of his biggest regret is that he didn't take Josh Allen. And I said, well, why didn't you take him?

He said, Sharpe, I just couldn't get the coaches to buy in. He was really, really raw, and it was going to take some time for him to develop. You know, he didn't throw, he turned the ball over and he didn't throw with a high completion. But I just couldn't get the coaches to buy in. And when you're talking about, you know, taking somebody with the fifth pick of the draft and you're taking a big time fridge at the quarterback position like a Deshaun Watson. Ocho, you need everybody balled in. Can't nobody.

There can't be any lukewarm feeling. Well, yeah, I'll cope. No, we got to be all bought in. Now, that's what Pete Priscoe said. We don't know that to be true. But what it did because it hadn't worked out so far, Ocho, it kind of doomed the franchise. Because think about what you gave up. Three first rounders.

You gave up a second round. I think you gave a third round. Find me all what they all gave up. And when it doesn't work, work out, Ocho. Yes. Well, well, listen to you. Are you, and Joe? And I mean, this didn't doom the franchise. The franchise has been doomed before that situation even happened. They've been through 37,000 quarterbacks. They haven't been able to find the one.

Now, obviously if Josh Allen, if they've gotten Josh Allen, despite what they might have seen on tape, listen, when you when your draft, regardless of what round, regards to what pick, it's still hit or miss no matter what. You can get somebody in the first round that played great in college and it might try, it might not, over into the NFL. It just happens like that. Sometime this year's draft. We're talking about some of the players that are coming to the draft. They're going to very bad teams.

And when they go to the bad teams, some of these players that are going to go early aren't transcending talents. They're not generational talents, but they have a superior supporting cast around them in college, and therefore they're going to go high to a very bad team. And you're going to wonder why they struggle. They struggle because of them having

I mean, them not having the tools and the supporting cast around when they get to these NFL teams. And it's a different ball game. If you're not a transcending talent, which I really haven't seen, I'm talking about a generational talent. That would show up right now in college. There is not that coming into the draft.

Right. It's not. I'm just being honest. And I'm not sure people in the chat, I'm not sure what you're watching, even though college players that have played well, those college quarterbacks. Ain't no Lamar Jackson.

Ain't no Josh Allen, ain't no Joe Burroughs, ain't no Patrick Mahomes. Now, there's a chance they could pan out to be that, but teams don't have the patience for that's what happened. Or the coach, because if you go back and think about Ocho, Josh Allen is rookie year with a turnover machine. It wasn't until he got Brian Dayball. That he turned into the Josh Allen that we see now and the guy that's taken over has even taken him to a higher height and got him to an MVP. So that's the thing. They're going to be some rough spots. And the question is,

are we built to withstand those rough spots until he gets this thing figured out? And Joe, this is another thing, Joe and Unk, if you're not built, which you aren't going to be, the Raiders aren't built. No. And whoever they pick, they're going to get a quarterback, Joe. We got to.

They're going to get a quarterback, Unk. Do you trust Mark Davis and all the people that are in that build, that are in positions of power to build a team around him to make sure he can be competent a good quarterback for the future because if you don't what's going to happen

that shit can be demoralizing Joe Joe you go into the wrong situation like that and you ain't got no helper and you ain't got no help around you I can imagine I can imagine I can imagine you come from a winning program where you've won everything and then you come to the NFL and it's a different ball game Joe

this is the best of the best but it's levels to everything. It's the best of the best and you're going early, but the team you're on and just not good. The players you're playing with even though they're part of the 1%

they're just not good. What do you think of, Joe? Man, we talk, what team y'all are talking about right now? Okay, Ocho. He's your talk about quarterback, top top quarterbacks go into a bad situation

because that's the way we're talking about the best players supposed to go to the worst teams and help them all of a sudden they're not the worst. teams anymore. Yeah, I know you had said some about, you know, these coaches getting fired. Sirfasker, you know, even when I look at the Cleveland situation, man, you got a pretty

good quarterback. Okay, Ocho. Why not just like beef up your offensive line? Get some more weapons. Whoever you're going to have back that throwing the ball. At the end of the day, man, you got to protect the quarterback and you got to get, you got to give them some more weapons from what I've been saying. They're definitely their wide receiver.

You got Quinn, uh, uh, uh, Judkins. We'll see how soon he can come back. That's the same. Will he come? I mean, is he going to miss time, Ocho? You know, he had a serious injury. Will he miss time? Will he be back for OTAs?

Will he be ready for training camp? How soon and will he be back? I think the thing is, Ocho, is that, but see, when you get a 26-year-old, that's proven, it's supposed to be can't miss. We're not talking about a guy out of college, Ocho. We're talking about a guy that at the time that they signed him, he was a top-five quarterback. Everybody had Deshaun Watson in their top five.

So that's not a situation where we're getting a guy that's never played, never thrown in NFL football, never doesn't know what it's like to go to NFL meetings and lead a huddle and command and be the voice men among men. That's Deshaun Watson, 26 years of age, he had just led the league in passing, had been a pro quo player. So he was supposed to be can't miss.

You get Tom Brady, you get Tom Brady going to Tampa, he can't miss. You get Peyton Manning? Granted now, Peyton Manning was, he had the elbow, the nerve in his nerve in his neck, Ocho. But based on that, if everything checked out, if he could throw the ball 40 yards, Peyton Manning was supposed to be Camp Miss. That was Deshawn Watson, 26 years of age, fully healthy, just led the league in passing. And he gets to Cleveland. And for whatever reason, I'm like, I don't know this guy.

I don't know this guy. This is not the guy that came from Houston. I don't know it. Yeah, yeah. And you're right. Cleveland, you need wide receivers. You got a great tight end, but it doesn't hurt to have another one.

Yeah. Knox and Kincaid. You see how they got that in Buffalo, Ocho? Hold on. What about the Bears? Loveland and Co-Chammed. Loveland. Yeah, Lovelin.

Yeah. You got Warren, you got more Ali Cox in the Colts. You got two tight ends. You got Strange and the other guy at Jacksonville. So they need weapons. They need to beef up that offensive line. The offensive line is just not good enough right now.

Man. They're not good enough right now, but you need weapons. But you can't keep shuttling quarterbacks in and out. Yeah. You mentioned Mark Davis. I ain't got no problem with Mark Davis because Mark Davis will. Now, he's not like his dad. He's not meddlesome like his dad.

He trusts the people that he hired, the people that he hired, The people that he hired just effed it up because he didn't want to fire John Gruden. The NFL made him. Yeah. And he's one of those owners. He's not like his dad. They never made his dad fire anybody.

He's like, fire him. He wouldn't hire some more of his family. Just that's not, Joe, you didn't catch you. See, I called the real. He's like that. That's not how his son is. His son is like, okay. our total company line, I'll do everything.

Jerry has replaced his dad as the outlaw. Man, I'm going to do what the hell I say. I pay for this team. I'm not going to let you tell me what to do or boss me around. But, Ocho, here's what Jimmy Haslam had to say about the state of the Browns. And I want you to hear this, okay? First of all, ownership takes full responsibility for where we are. To win eight games in two years is horrible.

It's totally unacceptable, okay? and it's not going to continue, okay? And I want the fans to know we are as frustrated as you are. Hey, Unk is one thing about it, right? Hey, listen, ownership, ownership, hey, this is the funny thing about it. Ownership takes full responsibility. They have to. Hey, owners can't get fired, Joe.

I don't know. Hey, the people, hey, the people that own, they can't get fired. 400, probably 400, 425 coming, Ocho in March. What'd that mean? The TV contract, every NFL's team is cut. Oh, yeah. Hey, so, wait, oh, 425 million-based team? How much we get into that?

We don't own no team. And, oh, show, now, that's the TV cut. Now, we didn't say nothing about you selling tickets. We didn't say nothing about the local marketing. We didn't say nothing about local TV, local sponsorship. We didn't say nothing by parking, and we didn't say nothing by concession. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

It add up. You ain't got to tell me twice. I understand. the business side of things. I just don't like to talk about it. Okay. Brown's general manager, Andrew Barry, said today that he was non-committal on the team starting quarterback for 2026 and that the new head coach will have a say in the decision. Uh, Barry said, we're going to do our work on the quarterback market. It's too important of a position. And it's something that has to be solidified. I can't sit here and tell

you today whether the starter in 2026 is internal or external. But it's something that we're going to work through over the next several weeks. And quite honestly, leave the new head coach will also have a lot of input into that way. Oh, Cho, you see what he said? Yes. Talk to me. He said, it's too important a position. He said, I can't sit here today and tell you internal left quarter.

Oh, Andrew Barry said today that he was non-committal on the starting quarterback for 2026 season. Right. And the new head coach will have a safe. He should have be safe. He got to coach. You see what he did? Yeah. He's going to put, again, going to put somebody on the head coach

that maybe the head coach doesn't want. And then I'm stuck. It's like your grandmother's to put that plate down for you. Man, I don't want that. Okay, do it out. Mm-hmm. But obviously, obviously, Andrew Barry, they've made mistakes when it comes to picking. How do you still got a job?

And I don't advocate anybody, I don't advocate anybody getting fired at you. You might get fired. Right. I'm just saying, you're fine. Okay. Stafansky, and I'm not saying Stafansky didn't deserve to go. But I'm saying, who hires Stafansky? Who brought all those players in?

He did. So he bring all those players in. He stays and gets to hire another coach. Okay. And that's why they feel comfortable taking responsibility for all the losing. Because there's nothing that's going to happen to those who own. They're going to keep recycling. Coach after coach,

quarterback after quarterback. At some point. Until they get it right. Let me ask you a question, don't Joe? So let me get this right. Jimmy has them stood before the press today and said eight wins over the last two seasons is unacceptable.

Is it unacceptable for the guy that hired that coach? Hmm. Last I checked, I mean, you didn't get him off a hired app. I mean, maybe it was zip-react. recruiter. You know, you get these people, got me,

get all the emails and all these different, you know, advertising, hiring agencies. I heard you looking for work. Where do you hear that from? I mean, you know,

you know what the issue is, huh? All these coaches that's getting fired, when coaches get fired in general, I mean, it all come down to one common denominator. What's that? You don't have the goddamn players you need

to have success. Because Sean McVane going nowhere. Bill Belichick lasted 20 years. Look at all the coaches that have, have had long sustaining careers. They've always been able to compete. Dan Cronky, Sean McVeigh says, look, I understand you took this guy number one,

but I can't win with him. I've gone as far as I can go with him. We need to do something. Now, you tell me what other coach is going to have an input that says, you know what, we're going to trade our number one pick. Give up first rounders. We will need Matt Stafford. How many owners are going to do that, Ocho?

Well, not, not exactly. But obviously, wait, hold on. this is the thing, Unk, when you have someone like Mass Stafford available, you're willing to pull the trigger because you know what you're getting. You take Mass Stafford out of God damn Detroit, right? And you put them on a team that is already ready. Yeah.

I'm not comparing it to Tom Brady situation to him leaving the Patriots are going to God damn Tampa Bay, but goddamn, uncle, it's damn so close. Yes. Is that so close? Because once he got the goddamn LA, what the fuck happened? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

But the difference between Tampa Bay and staff? Tampa Bay got him for free. It's like you, hey, it's like you drop. Man, remember? John Elway said, Peyton Manning called him. I told the other teams, I'm not coming there.

I'm coming to you. Okay, I guess we got Peyton. Tom Brady said, hey, I'm coming. Hey, Todd Light, I'm coming to Tampa. Yeah. Hey, Super Bowl ready, huh? They was already built. They was already polished.

You trade the number one overall pick and give up two first rounders. A lot of people like, ah, what if it? You start thinking, what if this doesn't work? We got to give up our first round of next year and we got to give up other cars. I don't know about that. And we got to pay it. Yeah.

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Abel, Uncle Joe, the pieces was already in place. Yes. The piece was already in place once he got to L.A. When goddamn time with the Tampa, all they needed, they was missing that centerpiece. But, and guess what they did? They allowed him to have some safe. He went, he walked, hey, Grunk, come on.

Antonio Brown. Hit A-B. Come on. Yes. And that was iceing on the cake. So I think the thing is, look. Andrew Barry picked. those players. Now, he done a great, I mean, Miles Garrett, hit it out the part.

Out of the park. Fanning, got him. Out of the park. I love Junk. He's phenomenal. You love it. I don't know, did he pick Baker Mayfield? Was he there for Baker Mayfield? Or was that the other guy? Did he, who picked, who selected Baker Mayfield? Who's responsible for Denzel Ward to? Yeah. Denzel was probably Andrew Berry. Because he came out, he came after, uh, huh? It wasn't, they get Denzel. War? Okay. Oh, he's the other guy, the baseball got her.

Man, Ocho. Yo. The Browns can make it, they can make a big leap next year, man. They already got a solid defense. You get them weapons. They need by three pieces, Joe. You're three. Yeah.

Three, Joe. That's it. If you believe they got a quarter, okay, if you believe their quarterback is on the roster, they need offensive line. That left tackle, did you see that left tackle? Did you see that left tackle, Cam Robinson? I can walk better than him. John Dorsey, Selected Baker.

That's embarrassing. I mean, to watch some of these guys, that's embarrassing that these guys are starting. I watch for Flaili. Ocho, that's been, Ocho, he did his head like this here and both guys ran by it. I said, you must be, thank you school patrol,

and you're going to start some five-year-olds. Oh Joe, how you hold that bow heads And bold guys go by you Hey Hey, uh Hey, they got that boy back there running for your life, man Lamar's like, oh yeah, I'm protecting on this here They ain't bring in before we got five protectors

I'm good Lamar said, damn Well, you in the hole? How did you know how'd you get back here this fast? That happened a few times You look at what they did this year. They had a Mason Graham. He started to come on.

Swessinger, is that his name? He looked like he's going to be defensive rookie of the year. Junkins, solid, really good. Hal Fanon, he got Pro Bowl potential. Dylan Gabriel, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Samson, I like Judkins.

Better than I like Samson. And then Shador. All I know is that he, He win. You can say what you got. The defense scored two touchdowns. Those two touchdowns, if he doesn't get them down there in field goal range, do they win the game?

Mm-mm. That was a critical drive right there, too. But see, only, only proceed. Should do or does something, get them in field goal range. He ain't do nothing. Anybody else. Didn't he send him to the running field goal? Yeah.

I mean, you know how that go. The goal post moves depending on who you're talking about and who it is. But that's okay. That's okay. That's okay. Deshaun has to come back. Joe, he's on the book for about 50 million, guaranteed.

So he has to come back for another year. Ain't nobody. I mean, you could cut him, but nobody, you're not going to be able to trade him. So you're going to get him a fresh shot. You stuck with him for at least one more year. This is the worst trade in NFL history.

It is, it is what it is. It is the worst trade because of the compensation that you gave up. And the money that you paid him, He was the first to have it fully guarantee. And the problem is, Joe, what made Cleveland, it looks worse than what it was.

He had not even started on the new contract, the extension that he signed. They gave him money on top of that. Ocho, he was about to start and they said, no, guess what? We're going to even give you more. And to make it worse, we're going to make it better for you,

worse for them. They fully guaranteed it. 230 million fully guaranteed. Yeah. They didn't expect this, though, Arcanacho. No, absolutely not. Absolutely not.

That's why they did it. That boy was a fool in Houston. You hear me. Hey, Joe, he was a fool in Houston, and he didn't have no superstars, Joe. He had, remember he had, no superstar. Yeah, yeah, I think he had D.Hop for one year before D.Hop went to Arizona, if I'm not mistaken, for one year.

And the year when D.Hop wasn't there, he still went crazy, Joe. Yeah. Yeah. He still went crazy. So they understood what they were getting. And because you understand that a premium passer like that at that age that was able to do that without premier talent around them, oh man, we got to have this. Because we haven't had anything like that in so long since Otto Graham.

But Uncle Ojo, he ain't played him. It's been a minute. Well, he got hurt. Remember, Joe, he got suspended. He missed the first 11 games. Think about it now. The previous year, he didn't play. I don't care how talent you are.

he missed a whole year and then basically missed two years because he missed the first 11 games, Ocho. Then he comes back, plays five games. He doesn't look good. But you say, you know what? You get him in OTAs. We get him in offseason conditioning. We get him in our system. We'll be better. He gets hurt. He missed the rest all that season. He comes back. Guess what? He gets hurt. Missed all that. So for the most part, he might have played 15, 16, 17 games in about four years. Right. Yeah. He hadn't had the opportunity to get back to himself if he wanted to. No. So, I mean, maybe, maybe this is this year, Joe, you know, maybe this is his year. He's had, he has, he's at ample time to get himself back healthy, to get back to some form of what he

used to be, and maybe if, if they do, their due diligence in bringing talent around, talent, two pieces. If he's going to be your starting quarterback because you got 50 million on the books on him and you have no choice but the ride with him, you know what to do.

When you start well, you know what you do? You can cut him. I mean, you can release him, but you still owing 50 million guaranteed, don't Joe? So you know they're not going to do that?

You know they're not going to do that? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's a very tough situation.

We keep saying pieces. I don't give a damn what kind of pieces you get. This ain't just ain't no puzzle. It ain't really that hard. If you don't get that foundational piece, which is the quarterback, you cannot build a team that's quality enough to get to where you want to go.

It used to be you could, Ocho. I bring my running game, I bring my defense, because defense travels, or run game travels. They change the rule. your quarterback needs to travel and he needs to be able to make plays

under the rest. That's the way it's set up now. Go back and look at the quarterbacks that's been winning the Super Bowls. Yeah, they've got great piece around them, but that guys had to make plays. And right now, Cleveland doesn't have that. And they haven't had it in a long time.

Look, it seems to me, at least at worst case you could say, you know, maybe you could have said that, hey, look, we like what we saw from Sanders. But they're non-committal. They say we don't know if it's internal or external, which means, hey, we don't know if the guy

that's going to lead us is on the roster or we're going to have to bring him in. Right. They're keeping everybody on their toes over there. They definitely ain't going to get no answer right now. God damn it. Hey, hey, I'm like you. If they don't do nothing about that line,

the officer line, I don't get down who they get back to throwing their ball. they ain't going to make a difference. Well, they better get Noel Lyles back there to play quarterback so he can take off running because they can't catch it. But other than that, it ain't going to work. They need offensive line. They need offensive line.

They need some receivers. I like Azebom, but they need a number one. They got to go get a receiver. I like Fanning. I'm not saying you've got to try to find another fanning, but if you can have two solid tight ends that can do some damage. But I think all right. offensively you're good.

Hey, I try to find another piece to go opposite of, uh, maybe you go out and get another corner, the pair of, uh, opposite of a Denzel. I like Delpit. Obviously, Miles Garrett is your, is your linchpin, your centerpiece. And he's going to make everybody, Devin Bush played really well for him this year. Yeah.

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that wasn't always built for everyone. So listen to good luck with that on IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Raiders have fired their head coach Pete Carroll after just one season. Carol said the Raiders would win a bunch of games in this first season. Instead, the Raiders finished 3 and 14. Had a chat, but they got that number one pick. The Raiders were at the bottom of almost every category,

offensively and defense. The unit finished 31st in Precious. Hey. Rape, 27th and sack, despite Max Cross. be having 10 this season. The Raiders are also looking to hire a financial advisor. That's what you should.

Ocho, think about all the coaches. Antonio Pierce, 8 million. Josh McDaniel, 10 million. John Gruden, 10 million. Pete Carroll, 16 million. Chip Kelly, 6 million. And you got to bring another head coach in and his staff.

You got to pay them. Yeah, but listen, if they need to hire a Joe, if they need to hire a financial advisor, I'm right where they need to come. I'm right. I'm exactly who they need to call. They already need to. Hey, listen, if there's anything, I can get them out of that. Don't worry about that. I can get them out of that.

If it's anybody that knows and that's financially conscious and very savvy when it comes to spending and making sure it's me. It's too late, Joe. It's me. Well, listen, it might be too late, but I will make sure they won't make any more goddamn mistakes and overspending from this point on. Now bring me in the building Well here's the thing When you fire a coach You ain't got no choice

You're on the hook for his money Well listen We're gonna be We're gonna be a lot more cautious On who we hire And making sure we allow that contract You could have hired Bill Belichick Your quarter of that quarterback situation

You're gonna be right here Oh yeah You're right Hey so if you're the Raiders though Do you get one of these kids Coming out of the draft They're gonna back or do you Because I don't believe

I don't at some point time you got to stop trying to get stuff you got to stop trying to like we used to call it second hand you know Joe you know to talk about a second you don't second hand bad it was a long time before I had a new car by something by myself there somebody hadn't got in there past gas in it I want to be the first but the past gas in this car so oh Joe you know you get second hand stuff I think that need to move on from that second hand and get a quarterback of their own and where he going to come from look the kid from Indiana them getting a quarterback at their own.

Or the kid from Indiana or the kid from Oregon, they're coming out. It's too much money, not to. They ain't going to get it as old Joe. No. You put them, you put them young bulls in that environment. Have you seen Oregon's team?

Have you seen Indiana? Yes, I have. And what you think going to happen to either one of them if they go to the Raiders? What is going to, what they're going to look like? You already know. Look, they're long ways away.

They need offensive line. They need defensive players. Look, you got to trade Max Crosby. He's the only thing. That's the only thing of value that you have that can bring you back draft compensation to help you build up. That's the only thing of value got.

That's the only thing that you can trade. So you're going to have to trade him and get a first and a third and the second next year. Right. And you got a first this year, but also you got a hit. You got a hit.

And that's the hard part. It is. It's making sure it's like going to the goddamn casino. I'm playing roulette. You know? Roulette. You never know. Yeah,

same thing, though. Yeah, I get you. Yeah, you spend the ball in, you spend the wheel and drop the ball in the red. I get it. Yeah. And the numbers, yeah. What is called?

Roulette. Man, come on, man. Why? Y'all always correct you, man. Yeah, look, you got Brock Bowers. He's one of your top tight ends in the league. So you got a pass catching tight in. You need a receiver.

You went into the draft. You got a back last year. You need somebody to block for the back. You need somebody to block for your quarterback. You got, you got, uh, Christie, Max, excuse me, Crosby, that he can,

you're not trading, you're not trading Brock Bowers. The reason why I didn't mention him, because you're not trading him. No. No, not a chance. Max Crosby is the guy that you can trade and get, that can help you build this thing back up.

Because that's really the only thing that you have a value, that you're willing to move. You got to start with that foundational piece, Ocho, at the end of the day? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you got a house, Ocho, what's you going to get? What's the first thing you go buy? What can't you live without?

Shoot, I'm hoping you say, furniture, your aunt. I will give you, I give you $500. And you got to get one piece. Damn, in the house? TV? Man, that's accessory. Hey, not when you got a phone.

I can do that, I can watch all that stuff on my phone. I mean, okay, okay. Dan, that's a good one, huh? Because the first thing I think about by getting the house, I need some furniture. I got to have some where to lay my head. And a TV, I'm trying to think what else? I can speak for a big spires.

I bought a house. It was over a budget joke. You know what I'm saying? My people told me, say, Shannon, you can spend $425,000. I said, I got you. 425, fool. You're a big old high for 425.

First house the lady showed me with 625. I said, why you're showing me this house? You know I can't afford this. Let's go somewhere else. But I said, before we go somewhere else, let me look around. You know what I said? I said, Joe, or Joe, I said, I said, before we go since we're here now,

I might as well look around. Right. I put my hands in the pocket. I walk in there. Yeah, that's the game they play on. Oh, man. Big old, I ain't never seen no walk in shower. You got linen closet?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I, I was the same place my jeans were. You know, I just go get a pair of jeans. They didn't get a towel. So, you know what I'm saying? I ain't never seen no linen closet. Linnet? Yeah.

Yeah. I walked down. She opened the door. I go to, I said, there's a basement. I said, what is there? At the time, I ain't know what it was. I said, what is this called? She said, it's a basement and it's finished.

I said, huh? Yeah. I'm walking down there, carpeting. Three thousand square foot. Ooh. I said, damn. I could just imagine what I could be doing in here. Yeah.

A lot of trampoline, actually. You know what I'm saying? Oh, Joe trampoline. You boy, your boy, with your girl. I was 24, 25, now. I'm faking trampoline. I said, okay. I said, okay, this is a little bit out of my budget.

Let me see the other houses. You know what I said, Joe? Oh Joe. I said, let me see the other house. Hey, that $4.25 ain't going to hit that like that. Okay. She said, well, okay, Mr. Sharp, this is like, this is like $4.35 to $450. She saw, she, I saw those houses.

I walked in a hand, hand, the pocket, just like this right here. But I don't want this. I go to the other with your, oh, Joe. Same thing. Hand in my pocket. I was looking around. I said, let's go back and look at the other house. One more time, let's look at them.

The first one you showed me. That first will you show me? She said, are you sure, Mr. Shark? Cause they told me the budget. Yeah, yeah. I go back there, I started, started flanking. I said, I'm right here in the heart of bookhead. Man.

I'm right there, I can walk the Fields Platt. I could walk the Lenox Mall. Yes, sir. Yeah. I can walk to the movie theaters that's in Fields Plathic. Because back then, Joe, I don't know if you remember, or when you got there, they used to have a movie theater in Lennox Mall.

Yeah. Until old boy got shot, a dude got shot there. But it was, you didn't want to go to. Oh, yeah. I'll tell you about that later, Joe. But anyway, yeah. I said, whew, I was thinking about it.

I remember she dropped me back at a time. She dropped me back at the hotel. Yeah. She said, what you think, Mr. Sharp? I said, I think I'm about to be over budget. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. I said, I think I think. Hey, oh, man, over budget.

Hey, that's how they get you. They got me. Boy, that's how they get you. You know who I bought the high from? Joe. Who? Sugar Ray Leonard's ex-wife, Juanita. Did you?

Well, they got you. Hey, they got you just how they got me. How they got you, Joe? Oh, Joe. I'm out here supposed to be looking for me a nice little townhouse. I just come from Phoenix. Yes, I'm moving out here to Atlanta. Okay.

Man, you know, Sharif Abdul-rahim, he just built his house. out here in Sandy Springs. Yes, sir. He'd been living in the six months. I say, well, we can go by there and check it out. We come by here. Ocho, I'm still in the house of this day. We come back to Ocho, we come by here.

They got this chef in there. He got everything whipped up. Right. Man, I'm probably looking at a townhouse. This is 14,000 square feet. I'm like, oh, look, you ain't fit to take me going to look at no townhouse. That's all this.

I don't know why you... Ocho, why not start with the 425s first? Right. Why you start with this? It's like I'm about to go to that. Hold on. Time out, time out, time out, time out. Let's slow down a little bit.

Because Joe just threw it out there, like I, like me and the chat and hear him just say $14,000 square feet. I'm just keeping it 100. 14,000 square feet. Boy, boy, you in Buckingham Palace, what? Ocho, Ocho. Ocho, listen. Look, boy, I had to have a long time.

talk with my mom about this hill. I ain't a townhouse. I ain't going to go to no town house after seeing this. Hey, Joe, I got to come out there, holl at you, boy. You got to come see me. Come see me, man. Hey, you, like you say, your property, that's a property. That ain't no house.

Hey, oh, Joe. Oh, damn. I've been blessed, Joe. It ain't just the house. I got three kids all over and age of three. Ooh. I was like, man, how am I going to make this work? I was like, ooh.

I said, man, boy, oh, Joe, I, I, I, Swet for God and two white men, I was eating ketchup with a knit needle. Bad look here. I ain't, man, I ain't never ate so much tuna, oatmeal and eggs in my life. Man, I went to Sam's. I was buying like seven, eight dozen, like 20 dozen eggs at a time. I was getting cake, I was getting pallets of tuna. That's all I can eat.

I got to pay for the house. I got to pay for the house. That's all my hand. Hey, hey, listen, you got to make, you got a sacrifice, huh? You wanted, you wanted that house? Had to sacrifice. Listen, I understand your pain.

I've been there before. Maybe not, maybe not to that extent. But listen, we've all had the sacrifice something, but something else that we like and we love. We appreciate at that time, knowing inside our budget. Hey. Knowing good and well, because we know

I know it's coming. Ain't had no tape. You know it's coming. I ain't had no tape nothing to either. I didn't. I had a couch and I had a bed. That's all I had for. Hey.

Hey, oh, God. Hey, look. Hey, hey, that shit, hey, you working hard as I don't know what. I had a king's size bed. I had a king's side bed. I had a king's out of bed. Uh, what's that?

You remember the furniture store, Huff's Joe? Right there on Liddish Road by that church. It used to be a glass. It was a big glass builder right there. Uh, But the furniture, that's what it all, all the high-end black entertainers and them, they used to go get their furniture from there.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You probably spent the grip on you. Why I do that. But you know, I had to get me back. I had to go.

Oh, oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. I had a bed now. But you know, my bed was black lacquer. Black lacquer. And it light up. Like, like an infinity. And like, hold on.

You had LED lights? Yeah. Yeah. before it was cool, before it was it, before it was in style. Right. Right. And let me tell you what I did. Let me tell you what I had, Ocho.

I was flurred a little bit. I went all in. I was, like I said, I would even catch up with a knit needle. Come on. Take your time. And I had me a leather comforter, custom made for the bed. Oh boy, you could have. A leather? Theta?

Lever. Lever! Leather comforter, custom for the bed. Yeah. Oh yeah, you could. Then I did a card signing. You know, I did a car. You know, back then you saw a kind of signed cards.

Uh-uh. They gave your boy a little money. I signed like $2,000. I got me about $12.5. Okay. Bought me some satin sheets. Satin. Hey, how about this here?

Man, you know, I see them in the movies. How they run jumping the bed. How I go jump in the bed and sign my ass always costs the floor with the other side. Oh, the floor I would. I said, oh man, this don't look good. This ain't functional. Hey, hey, hold up, but why are you talking though?

Okay, Ocho, y'all still don't do a car signers? Oh, yeah, yeah. I do, I do every, every blue moon, Joe. Cause back then, you know, my brother would take me like, they want my brother, he had just, but in the beginning, they wanted my brother because he had, you know, won the triple crown. He was a all pro, first, you know,

a hundred catch season, back to back, hundred catch season. So they wanted him and the only way he would go do the signing, they had to take me. So they thought you more $2,500, $5,000. Right, right, right, right. Hey, I don't know. I mean, one time I signed 10,000 cards.

Damn. And one thing, they gave you three months. Yeah. Oh, to get through it, okay, okay. But I was going, I had a couch, I had a couch and had no TV. but I had a bed. The bed was nice.

I've been saying the bed was nice. The bed was nice. Yeah, hey, I'm still doing car signers. It is Dave, boy, the way they're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I still sign a lot, boy. Bad. I say, boy, hey, I look back,

I think by some time now, I'll just be laying down. I was like, damn. This thing could have went sideways in a hurry. Oh, yeah. I ain't have no choice. You told me, oh, you were shooting up. Yeah, I was shooting up.

But I got three. I got to get on that. I got three kids. They're in daycare. And I got. I still got to take care of granny. I still got to take care of living. Mom every one in a while plus the kid.

That's my number one responsibility. So if I got to do without. I'm cool. People's like, man. I can train myself. I'll go a couple of days without eating. Hey, be killing you. Right.

Yeah. I'd be killing you, you're so hungry. But I say, no, I got to put myself in a situation. Because if I ever have to not be able to eat, I'm going to be good with it. Yeah. Hey, there's a lot of people, they ain't going to be to understand what you're saying. No, no, no, no, Joe. It's a lot of us, it's a lot of us who have been there and done that.

Hey, Joe, the funny thing about it is, is the people, the people aren't going to understand because they've only seen the finish product. They've only seen the finish part. They only seen you on Sundays. they don't understand the walk you took and the path you took to get to where you are. They don't understand the sacrifices that came along that goddamn journey

before you got to what you see on Sundays. They'll never get it on. They'll never get it. When I coined the phrase to me, I wore summer clothes. I told him when I went to college, I said, man, I wore summer clothes. Man, look at that means. What you mean summer clothes?

Some of my brothers, some of my uncles, some of my cousins. Hey, they're just, have that bang on down. Oh, yeah. Hey. I'm like, they're so speaking with us last year. I got the way.

Man, listen. And when it got too small for me, that's the jeans they cut up. And you know back there, you know, you're on your knees. You put holes in your knees in your jeans. My grandma would have gotten too small for me. All that stitching.

Come on, granny. This when you was in college. No, I was coming up in school. I was coming up. Oh, yeah. But no, when I was in college, you know, look, I went to college. Oh, yeah. I had matching luggage.

I had two pigly wiggly bags with everything I own inside of them. I had matching luggage on your joke. Pigley Wiggly. No, it might have been winning next at the time. They changed the name to pickling, but I had two brown bags. You don't believe in. Asked past before. I went to college class of 86.

That's what we call ourselves 86. Asked them how I showed up. to win dixie brown brown grocery bag i had everything i own in those bags hey i believe boy man i ain't have much in that when i went to college neither i ain't gonna lie to you i used to what a crap out of them arkansas razor bag swiss oh cho we ain't held no to that i'm talking about all kind of stuff on them swiss hey hey like it was design uh huh man what you're talking about and you remember uh uh like in the dorm you had like We had one washing, we had two washes, two dryers.

Now, think about it. You got long, you might got 70 guys, two washes, two drives. So guess what happened? Guess what happened? If your stuff, your stuff, you're not there to see it. It's going to be on the top. It's somebody else stuff in there. And you just hope your best eyes on shirt.

of your best stuff, you see somebody with coming on, you know what, you know what asked me. Hey, hey, hey, you already know though. When you're down there washing them clothes in college, you got to stay out of there with it. Oh, yeah. You can't put the standard clothes and tell me about you going to go to your world.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Hey, that was the best thing on show. When I got a girlfriend, I got a girlfriend by junior year. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you thought, hey. Hey, she take care everything.

Everything. Wash it, folded up. I, because you know, I'm just, washing. I'm dumping everything in there together. Throwing powder in there? Yeah. Hey. Hey, you ain't said, you ain't separating nothing. You washing

white and blacks and colors. I'm watching everything. I, the only thing I didn't have is bleach. I just knew you couldn't put bleach in color. But everything else, hey, Tide. That's the only, that's the only, that's the only thing we always use. We only use Tide. We have no fabric softener. We have nothing. Static.

And that powder. All you have that little powder. I have my four pair of socks stuck to my jeans. Chad, y'all know what I'm talking about. I ain't the only one. Hey, I remember those days, what, hey. Hey, that's throwback. That's throwback.

Oh, Joe, is it rare to see Pete Carroll? Because the one thing we know about Pete Carroll, he can rebuild. Look at what he did at USC. Look at what he did at Seattle. Are you surprised that they didn't give him more time to try to get this thing turned around than one year? No, absolutely not.

I'm not surprised at all. obviously because where they were ranked offensively and defensively. I'm not sure if the players were responding to Pete Carroll. Obviously, I think they want to go a little bit younger when it comes to the coaching staff that they want to bring in. They want to go in a completely different direction, obviously. I love Pete. I love what Pete has been able to do at the NFL level, at the collegiate level.

But it's obvious that Tom and others that are making those calls in that building want to go much younger to another coach where the players are a little bit more. more receptive to what they have to say. But think about what he had in Seattle. They get Russ. They get Shurn. They get B. Wags. They get Cliff Averill.

They get Earl Thomas. They got Cam. Look at what they're doing now. They trade for beast mode. They draft those receivers. Curse and Baldwin. You see? Look at what they got.

Yeah. Now you got Russ. Now you got a nucleus. What a nucleus is in Oakland? Excuse me, in Vegas. It ain't MacCrosby, Brock Bowles, even though it's early. And with that, it wasn't until they got the quarterback with Russ.

Yeah. They were able, in part with that Legion of Boone. They get Michael Bennett, you know, they get Michael Bennett and they get, you know, Malcolm Smith, and they get a couple of these other guys, and whoo, yeah, voila. Yeah. That took time, man.

team they give you no time now, Ocho. Ocho, Ocho, Zach Taylor, apparently will pass on listening to Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, their desire to make change in the Bigginos organization. Taylor stood on business today stating that he does not plan on making any changes to the coaching staff. He compiled a 52, 63 and one record over the last seven season and led the Bengals to the Super Bowl in 2021. The Bengals defense was one of the worst in the NFL. ranking 30th and points allowed 31st in total yard surrendered.

Even with those dismal stats, Taylor plans to bring back defensive coordinator Al Golden for a second season in the role. Ocho, are you surprised with how bad the defense played that he's not willing to make any changes? Absolutely not. Because listen, they said Lou Oneroma was a problem the year before last.

Lou and Romer went to the goddamn Colts and they had a good defense. Because you know why they had a good defense in Indy? Because they had the players. You'd be able to execute the scheme and the taxes that Louanaruma wanted to run. Listen, Al Golden, the disciples, Jesus of Nazareth, God, it wouldn't matter who

was coaching that goddamn defense, Joe. They wasn't going to be able to perform. In this off-season, this off-season for the Bengals, the only focus for us needs to be in the draft and off-season acquisitions needs to be defensive help.

It needs to be defensive help. Honestly, I've said it's playing around. Playing around obviously saying stuff, I would love Jeffrey Simmons. I'm not sure that's possible. Would Tennessee be willing to let him go? No. Will Mike Brown pay him? Absolutely.

Based on what we just saw last year and what we saw the previous year, yes, they will do it. He will do it. Another thing, we need three pieces. We need some at all three levels. We need some on the front level and on the back end. I love DJ Turner.

I love DJ Turner. I love what he's turned out to be. He's going to get paid this offseason. At the second level, Demetia's night. He needs to have that goddamn C on his checks next year. Young Bull is nice. That's 44.

I know. South Carolina out of game caught. Hey, hey, Joe, when you turn on the tape, that young bull all over the place, boy. He got a motor on him, Joe. Hey, he's going to be nice. He's going to be something. So we need three pieces, Joe.

We need three. Get some on that third level. We get somebody like Jeffrey Simmons to help stop that run and hoping Shamar Stewart in his second year gets much better as opposed to what we saw this year from him to go early in the draft and live up to that high round expectation. I think we're going to be all right. Y'all going to have to get that out the draft, ain't you, Ocho?

Y'all got too much money tied up in that office. Hey, Joe, you ain't never lied. Listen, I'm picking up what you're putting down, Joe, but we got to do some. You got to do y'all got to do some. You got to do some. What you call him contract? Because who?

T was basically a one-year deal. Yeah. T was basically a one-year deal, Locho. Yeah. But you need some offense in line with two. At some point in time, y'all got to stop getting Joe hit. Yeah.

Because that's not your offense. Y'all sped things up on Sunday just to try to keep miles from getting that. Y'all pushed the ball down the field. Y'all really didn't push the ball down the field, one time, Cho. Because y'all was trying

to get the ball out of his hands because you didn't walk by out of trying to get to your quarterback. In matter of fact, it's so funny,

what did I say? How did I say the game was going to look? Yeah, you said it. The night before the game. I said it was going to be quick game, misdirection,

and getting the ball out of his hands real fast, and I'd be damn. That's exactly what they did all goddamn game long. Yeah. But that's not, but that's not,

that's not your office, though. No. Your office, since Ocho is to push the ball down the field. Yeah, you get, look, we want to push the ball down, put the ball in Chase's hand. But Chase catch a lot of deep balls.

T, catch a lot of deep balls. Deep balls, yeah, they do. So to get outside of what you schematically normally would do, and that's why I hate, look, if I want to, Ocho, I can neutralize anybody if I'm willing to jump, if I'm willing to junk my offensive defense just to keep one player at bay, but at what expense? at what expense?

Joe Burrow is a push the ball down the field. You got receivers that can get down the field. Yeah, you can get the ball in their hands. And occasionally, yeah, they'll do that. They'll get the ball in T's hand. They'll get the ball more so Chase because I think Chase is a little better run after the catch than T's. T is a much bigger receiver.

Go over the top. He'll high point the ball. Tremendous hand, great hand, eye coordination. But Sunday, you guys like, no, man, we're going to do everything we possibly can to try to neutralize mile. So that means a lot of quick stuff, a lot of hitching, a lot of smoke stuff.

A lot of shallows. Hey, get the ball up. The reason why I'm not surprised, the one thing I know about the Brown family, they ain't spending no excess money. I've been damn if you're going to get money, they get their money and you're not working for them. That ain't how they do business.

Oh Joe, you know them. I've been around the league and heard people talk. He ain't buying no. How many more years is the exact time? Taylor got on his contract. That'll tell you how many more years he's going to be coached to Cincinnati. He's going to be right there. Yeah, absolutely right.

Absolutely right. Because, hey, man, that one and done stuff that you see other coaches that other owners do, Mike Brown ain't doing that. They ain't happening. Oh, hell. No, he's not. You think he even fired somebody, he still got to pay? And they're not actually in the building.

Absolutely not. It ain't happening. So, Zach Taylor stays. We'll come back to the NBA. Excuse me. We'll come back to football a bit, but NBA news. First, Ocho, have the floor for some spoken words. It's yours, Ocho.

Oh, man. A, uh, chat. Uh-oh. Hey, hey, Joe. This is deep, man. Okay. Take your time, though. Oh, man.

Man got the hell. Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, hey, boy. Hey, uh, a chat. I know Unx Ravens didn't make the playoffs. There have been some rude things that have been said to the kicker, Tyler Loop. And knowing that I do spoken word, I thought I'd come up with something for him to encourage him to go forward and to be better.

Because that moment in which he missed that kick, that opportunity will present itself again. So let me know how y'all ready. We're ready, Ocho. Joe? All right. Yeah, I'm ready. Yeah. This is called

the kick. The kick. The kick. They call it one kick. But Tyler Loop felt a lifetime in that moment. The whistle was sharp. The stadium was loud.

A season on your foot. 44 yards. Wide right. And the world writes a story with no room for the hours you spent perfecting your craft. They'll remember the miss. Not the miles walked, not the pressure on your back, not the heart it took to step there. But listen, you showed up. You lined it up.

You believed. And that's something no miss can take. That is the spoken word by Mr. Yeah. Ocho, Pachacho. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Okay.

Why are you laughing? Hey, I'm digging the hat, though. The hat, I'm messing with the hat. I appreciate that, Joe. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I'm digging their hat. I appreciate that, Joe. It took time for me to write that manner and be very thoughtful. Yeah, it took it.

Yeah, I listened, I damn this spent all day. Joe, they said Ocho started poetic injustice. Hallelujah, keep your head, boy. That was for you, Tyler. That was for you, my boy. Lou. You don't say that bad poetic injustice. Lord of that, man.

Hey, hey, listen, that was a serious moment, man. Y'all laughing at me, man. Nah, hey, this is a safe space. This is a safe space, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, I feel you see. Every time I be vulnerable, y'all get the laugh. No, no. Hey, just, hey, like, don't say, we're laughing.

We judge you not. At least you be judged. Right. Right, right, whatever that mean. Hey, we ain't laughing at you, we're laughing with you. We're laughing with you. Man, you got my- That's messed up, man.

Oh, Lord, have mercy. Hey, hold on. Hey, y'all, yeah, that's messed up, man. Hey, I got a joke, I got a joke for you. Come on, come on. Joe, you ready, Joe? Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready, come on.

Hey, chat, would you call fake spaghetti? Fake spaghetti. You got anything, Joe? I'll be feeling like I'll be knowing them, but they'd be outfield left someone. This dude, this dude, because fake spaghetti, hold on, Ocho. Fake spaghetti. No, I ain't got nothing.

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