Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Browns shock Steelers, Garrett calls out Watt, Cowboys disrespectful

Episode Date: November 22, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Jameis Winston and the Cleveland Browns shocking Russell Wilson and the Pittsburgh Steelers on Thursday Night football for their first win since Week 8. Later, Unc and Ocho dive into Myles Garrett calling for T.J. Watt to apologize for DPOY snub, GO IN on the Dallas Cowboys for being disrespectful and disgraceful after CeeDee Lamb and Trevon Diggs were seen shooting a music video in the club after getting blown out on Monday Night Football.04:00 - Show start04:35 - Intro05:49 - Browns v Steelers16:41 - Miles Garrett v TJ Watt26:00 - Daniel Jones seems to say goodbye to the Giants35:30 - Cowboys: CeeDee and Trayvon film music video after loss43:55 - Micah apologizes for Mike McCarthy comment51:25 - Jerry Jones…head coach replacements54:50 - Jets fire GM Joe Douglas1:02:00 - Davonte Adams(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They gave up a 12-point lead, but Jameis Winston led off a game-winning drive, capped off by a two-yard touchdown by Nick Chubb as the Browns win their first game since Week 8. Nick Chubb rushed for 59 yards and two touchdowns. Jerry Judy had an outstanding game in the snow.

Six catches on six targets, 85 yards. And Cleveland improves to three and eight. And the Steelers fall to eight and three. The Ravens, y'all better send the Browns, even though they beat y'all, they kept y'all attached to the Steelers because now maybe that game when you guys play in a couple of weeks will actually mean something for the division. Ocho the Browns really not having a whole lot to play for

but they played their tails off and they take down the Steelers who had an outstanding game last week as they took down the Ravens on field what 18 to 16 I think was the final score and now they give up 24 points to the Browns on the road at home. Steelers are on the road browser at home and they lose 24, 19. Oh, Joe, what'd you like about what you saw this game from the Browns?

I mean, listen, from the Browns, I liked that. I saw James Winston be able to play with some consistency, but one, I want to, I'm going to shoot.

I want to shout out to my dog, Jerry Judy, but I appreciate you, but you look, you look good tonight. You look very, very good tonight. To be honest with you, the first three quarters of this game, it was a snooze fest.

It was a snooze fest. The goddamn Browns were 0 for 6 going into the goddamn fourth quarter on third down. It was boring. I think if it wasn't for the weather conditions, I think the Steelers would have won the game. But I'm not taking anything away from the Browns. But for some reason, there have been multiple games this year.

There have been multiple games this year where the first three quarters of the game is extremely boring and it's not watchable. It's almost a snooze fest. And to be honest with you, there was a point in the game tonight where I even fell asleep. My eyes closed for a little bit. That's how boring the game was. For some reason, and I know the exact time, when it got to the fourth quarter and about seven minutes and 35 seconds on the clock all of a sudden the goddamn game is like the shootout scene from the movie heat like shootout scene for the movie i'm like what the hell is going on the game got very exciting boom the browns are winning all of a sudden

russell wilson pickens pickens has a big catch they'll go they go down there and score and then the goddamn brown turn around go down and do the exact same thing and it comes down to the wire and obviously russ on the hail mary pass they couldn't complete it and i mean it was yeah any any time i said i think that was he that he did boy he got that delayed blitz that came yeah oh yeah listen the funny thing about it, is despite whatever the team's record are, whatever the team's records are in the AFC North, anytime they play a division game, for some reason, it always goes like this. It's always close.

It always comes down to the last minute. It's rarely, very rarely is it ever a blowout regardless of how bad the teams are playing or how good the opposing team is playing. I think the thing is, Ojo, you talk about the games, well, snooze fest, but you got to realize this team, both of these teams just played Sunday, and you're turning around again, and you're playing Thursday. So now you're taking basically two and a half days of rest from them.

You know you, hey, unless you a rookie or a second-year player, man, your body aches. Hell, you don't feel good until Wednesday, Thursday. And you got to go play a game, not practice, as Allen Iverson would, not practice. A game. A game. And so, look, Miles Garrett took that personal what T.J. Watt said

about he didn't think he deserved. He had three first-half sacks. Three sacks. But I thought they did a great job of getting after Russ. They did a great job of pressuring Russ. They did a great job of pressuring Russ. They sacked him four times, three of those by Miles Garrett. Did a great job jumping off the rock. Even a couple of times, they tried to chip it.

And that wasn't enough because a guy that size that can bend the edge is unbelievable. He's unbelievable quick. He's powerful. He can bend. He can bull rush you. He can swim you. He's powerful. He can bend. He can bull rush you. He can swim you. He can rip you.

Wax on, wax off. I mean, he's the prototype. You say, man, I want a defensive end. You want him to look like Miles Garrett. Because not only does he look like Tarzan, he plays like Tarzan. Because we've seen a lot of guys, they be built. Hey, they look the part, but they don't play the part. He play like James.

So, he looks the part. He's ever been what they thought when they took him number one overall. He's been defensive player of the year. Obviously, T.J. Watt was also in that draft, that 2017 draft, in which he went 30th overall, and he has a few more sacks. But both guys have been defensive players of the year. Both guys have lived up to what everybody thought they would be. I don't think people thought TJ would be that good,

because they did when they took him at 30th. They took his ass a lot sooner. But he's been unbelievable in what he's been able to do. The only guy in NFL history to lead the league in sacks in three different years. There's an outside chance he can do it again, because you know he could go on a stretch where he get two or three sacks

and he could do that for like three or four games. And the next thing you know, he'd go from like fifth or sixth in sacks all the way to the lead. So he's that good. You know, when I watch the Steelers, I think sometimes, Ocho, they play down to their competition.

You watch them when they play against the Ravens. When you watch them, they play against the Ravens. You watch them, they play a team that they think can kick their ass. They come ready to play. You know what I think? I think Arthur Smith is playing a safe game. He's playing a safe game and not putting Russell Wilson in harm's way, allowing Najee Harris to facilitate

the way the offense goes. And then Arthur Smith is choosing when to use Russell Wilson to his strengths. Taking the ball out of his hands, not really allowing him to put the ball in harm's way. And I think that's one of the reasons for their successes here with this only being their third loss. It's only being their third loss with the gamble that Mike Tomlin took and replacing Russell Wilson with with um goddamn Justin Fields everything is paid everything is paid off is paid dividends up until tonight's game yeah you mean placing Justin Fields with Russell Wilson I'm sorry what did I say you said it backwards you say but look I know what you meant um you are you meant to say he was uh russell wilson came in in place of justin field oh boy yeah um but it look it's what you think it's an afc it's an afc north game like

you said these teams have gone at it for a long time the new browns the old browns are in baltimore right now which they happen to be known the ravens but there's really no love lost between these teams if you go back and look at their in 80s with the cardiac kids with Brian Sight and Ozzie Newsome who's that Dave Logan and then you had Kevin Mack and Ernest Biner. You know, you had some matchups.

You had some really great matchups. You had Hanford Dixon and Frank Minifield. You had Alba. Look, this I remember the rivalry and it was heated. You would think um kind of started when turkey jones slammed uh uh uh terry brash on his neck and almost broke his neck turkey who turkey jones go back and look it up uh back there you could suplex a player i mean you can literally pick him up like they do in WWE or World Wrestling Federation.

But Turkey Jones almost broke Terry Bradshaw's neck. And it kind of started from that moment on. It became a very intense rivalry. But the Steelers, you know, obviously the Steelers have been the king of that division for a long time. It used to be the AFC Central back then. It wasn't the North. And then the Ravens come in. And for the, you know, the Steelers have goneers have gone to super bowls even though they've lost uh the ravens have gone to what

three two super bowls they want you know one both of those the browns are the browns they were one of the only teams that haven't been i think the browns the jags uh who else they haven't been to a super bowl the lions the lions, the Texans. Oh, Hey, listen, there's a good chance of lying. Go change that. Oh yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, uh, but look,

give, give, look, I don't want to take anything away from the Browns because I thought they played really well last night. I'm not to last night tonight. They did a great job of getting after Russell Wilson. Uh,

for the most part, they didn't give up a whole lot of yards running the football. And look, I can live with 11 carries for 45 yards, 16 carries for 41 yards. Justin Fields had a longer 30 where he came in and kind of caught him off guard. But for the most part, they did a great job of bottling the Steelers' offense up. And Jameis was very good with the ball. He had one throw that got away from him.

But other than that, I thought he did a really good job of orchestrating this offense and moving them up and down the field. They got a, Tillman, I don't, Tillman, come on, bro. Go down. Don't try to be no hero. Try to split two defenders. Boom. Helmet right on the ball.

Popped out. Who knows? They had gotten the rhythm at that point in time. Joe Cleveland had had a rhythm. And I think they formed the ball like the 20-yard line. So you might have gotten points out of that. You just got to be smart in situations like that, Ocho. Hicks, power slam

from Crowe. Now, you know you can't do that. You know you can't drive the quarterback in the ground, Ocho. Everybody knows that. You can barely put your arms out like this. I ain't got my body weight on him. But if you pick him up, you get the flag.

You got to know that, though. You got to know it. Especially with this time and era in the NFL and the league policy, wanting to protect the quarterback as much. I mean, you know you can, but it also makes it difficult for defenders of that size as well.

It also makes it difficult for big guys to be able to control their momentum, especially when it comes to sacking the quarterback when you're trying to get there as fast as possible. But you see what he did on the last bit of the game? He just hit him. He didn't wrap him up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, and Delphi.

Just thud him up. Just thud him up. Why'd you smash the man mouthpiece? So what you think they was going to call? You right there with the back judge sitting right there. Ocho, you know you can't do that. There's a back judge and a side judge looking right at you because you're the only two of the guys out there. The back judge is standing right there.

He's looking at you just like this here. And watch you smash the man mouthpiece and throw it on the ground. Come on, bro. And sometimes people wonder why teams lose. Sometimes it's not talent. Sometimes players do dumb things that put them in harm's way. And at the wrong time, too. Yes.

The wrong time. But kudos, kudos, kudos to the Browns. They win the ball game. They move to 3-8. 24-19 win over the Steelers, who fall to 8-3. Miles Garrett and T.J. Watt did a little talking this week in February. Garrett took home his first defensive player of the year award, posted nothing I'm used to on social media.

Watt posted nothing I'm used to. I'm not used to on social media. Garrett told reporters this week, no, he didn't say nothing to me. He got to apologize to me when I see him. I've never complained about the trophy not being at my house and vice versa. He shouldn't be feeling two ways about it going to me. So I'm just going to go play the game.

I don't play against TJ. He doesn't play against me. I like that. Nice, healthy, nice, nice, nice, healthy verbal quarrel between two elite players at their position. Um,

I mean, he's probably not going to apologize. I mean, that's, that's not going to happen. I believe I should have won the award. I ain't apologizing for feeling like I should have won the award. Hell nah.

Yeah. I think, um, probably some words might've been exchanged after the game but the one thing i want to i know i know we're on we're talking about miles garrett and goddamn tj what but i'm curious i want to hear the quotes after this win in the comments from james winston that's what i want to hear oh you want to hear what he oh listen ain't no telling what he said ain't no telling what he said especially after a win like this right in those conditions man ain't man listen it it's it's gonna be so many quotables probably gonna be rap

lyrics some shit some shit from shakespeare it's gonna be something good i can't wait to hear it i think the thing is that look if you play this game long enough tj you're gonna get robbed you gonna something there everybody has been robbed. Somebody didn't get an opportunity to go to the Pro Bowl. They feel that they should have gone to the Pro Bowl. Somebody felt they should have been an all-pro. They didn't get to go. Somebody feels they should have won an MVP, an Offensive Player of the Year,

or a Defensive Player of the Year, a Rookie of the Year, or something. If you play this game long enough and you're a good player, and I know TJj was thinking like bro bro i led the league in sacks by by why by ways look at our defense we were good it wasn't like you know i understand i think cleveland was number one in past defense they had a very top defense also but yeah tj was like bro i led the league in sacks it wasn't like we were a bottom feeder defense like team was just going up and down the field on us so hold on what's that he felt a couple years ago when i think when aaron donald won his third he and his brother had something to say think that's the defensive player of the year should have gone to uh tj

and i get it hey i'm a ride if i'm if i'm jj i'm a ride with my brother too um jj has three awards tj has one tj feels that he should have more of those awards. But unfortunately, bro, you don't get to vote for yourself. But if you play long enough, because there are times that I know I should have been to the Pro Bowl. There ain't no question in my damn mind. My team won more games. I had more catches, more yards, more touchdowns, and they put somebody else in there.

Yeah. It happens. After the game, Miles Garrett had a message to TJ Watt. I'm number one. I'm one. I'm home. I'm the defensive player of the year. Wait, for real?

I'm number one. I'm one. I'm home. I'm the defensive player of the year. Run, tell that. I like that. I like that. I like that. There's nothing, hey, listen,

there's nothing wrong with a little healthy, what was the word I'm looking for? A little healthy competition? Nothing wrong with a little healthy competition. But it's hard, Ocho, because they don't play against each other. It's kind of like you. I mean, you're not playing against me.

I need you to talk about, I need you to talk about i need you to talk about like a just trend or like you're going against the dbs but we haven't seen none like this though no no this that don't that that don't really see eye to eye on who the better player is based on rewards that are given yeah for the the best i i like it it's different because i have i listen I played, I didn't like it. Yeah. Me, this is healthy. I want to see how they finish the season off. This is great. This is great to me.

I just had a simple rule for our guys. Don't y'all let no tight end come in here and show me up. And water, Romo, Mo, don't y'all let no tight end come in and show me up. Ann Water, Romo, Mo, John Mo. Don't y'all let no tight end come in and show me up. Right, right, right.

Gonzo, because Gates was – I think he was on the practice squad my first year, so I didn't get a chance to play with Gates my last year. He was on the roster, but I don't think he played much. But, you know, we played all these other tight ends. We played – who we played? Jay Novacek. We played Brent Jones. We played Ben Coles. We played, hey, Gonzo.

Don't y'all let them guys show me up. That's on you. Y'all practice against me all the time. If y'all be doing all that stuff against me, knock pass down against him too. Hey, I don't get y'all that great work now.

I don't get y'all that great work now. I don't get y'all that great work during the week. Don't come up here tonight, that man go for 10, pull a buck, 22 touchdowns, and lose the game. And here I am on the field looking crazy. Mm-hmm. Because I remember that when I hit them boys up at 214. You know Gonzo was on the other sideline, Ocho. Ooh.

214? Mm, get Kansas City. Any of that? sideline, Ocho. 2014? Get Kansas City. In his house. Y'all was home or awake? I was in his house. Okay. In his house.

Had my feet up on his couch. Shoes muddy, too. That's what I do. I have a huge muddy. I ain't no clean yet. Because I won't after a couple days. I'm like, fish, I start to smell. You got to throw my ass up out of there. Yeah, yeah, you know I've been there.

Yep, yep. Yeah, for sure. Oh, man. Because even though we don't say it, it's kind of like, Ocho, we're like you on the treadmill. Yeah. Oh, we competing. Oh, what you at?

You at 4.5? Damn it, I'm going to 5. Yeah. Oh, you at 4.5 damn it i'm going to five yeah oh you at 5.5 i'm going to six oh we competing you ain't got to say nothing because why you bring your ass right next to me that treadmill over there was open so you brought your ass to me we competing yeah before you know it we both are the full sprint whoeverhmm. Whoever give out first. I really, really, really enjoy the back and forth between the two. You know, two of the best players in the league that feel they're worthy of being the MVP. For sure. Yeah.

Defense MVP. I like it. I like it. I think it's healthy. It creates a debate. It gets, you know, for those of us that are on the the other side of the media it gives us something to talk about because the numbers i'm not going to say they're they're identical but these two players are so good at their respective craft it means so much to their defenses that is worthy of having a talk and debate about because you know why ojo

they're the same draft class. You know anytime two players, even though one's a defensive end, the other is an outside linebacker, they do the same thing. So there's always going to be competition. When two quarterbacks come out in the same draft class, Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels,

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So be it. But Daniel Jones has been all class, never complained, and is not being completely disregarded. The team record is bad. You can point fingers everywhere. Try to blame him is trash, and making him third string is weak as F. The sense versus the organization within the organization go far beyond just one

person. I love it. Listen, I love what the players are saying. Yeah, yeah. Obviously because they're on the team. But your team, for anybody, if they don't know, even though you are playing the game of football, you're only good as your quarterback. You're only as good as the person who's at the helm who's in control of the offense, being able to make the right, the right and the wrong decisions. I mean, that's just what it is. You know, I respect Dexter Lawrence and what he's having to say

and some other players being upset. But how can you be upset? Have you watched David Jones play the past three years? Oh, y'all got so much to say now, Ocho. Why don't y'all play better? Now everybody got a lot to say. Listen. You're talking your ass off now.

What about play your ass off? Right. Daniel Jones, you play better. Everybody that got a comment, play better. And let's see what would have happened. Well, listen, Dexter Lawrence playing his ass off, though. So we really can't say nothing about him. He's one of the best in the league,

but they have to understand the business. they have to understand the nature of the business especially when it comes to the money aspect of why they're why they're benching him and making him third string quarterback so because of that injury clause if he happens to get hurt because which which he probably would do if they do allow him to stay in there you know some type of injury will pop up out of nowhere yeah that's a 23 million. Yeah. But, but here's the thing on show. So y'all make it seem it's about just this year. What about last year? Yeah. How was he last year? Okay. He got hurt, but look at his body of work.

His body of work doesn't justify 40 million and it definitely doesn't justify running the risk. It wasn't like y'all going anywhere. Anyway, y'all make it seem like they benched a man like they did Russell Wilson last year. Y'all trash. Okay, trash is a very harsh word. Y'all sanitation. Y'all a landfill. So where you going?

Oh, Cho, they make it seem like they had a chance for the playoffs if they had left Daniel Jones in there. All Daniel Jones is going to do is look worse and worse and worse. The fans are probably already stopped showing up. But what am I getting out of this? Daniel Jones is not going to be in New York next year. So what am I getting out of that? I'm not winning.

He's not going to be there. So what do I get by leaving his ass in the game and continue to start for us, Ocho? Yeah, nothing. You're not getting anything. I got a question, though. I'm confused. Anytime that players get benched, is it normal for quarterbacks to apologize? No.

What are you apologizing for? You could have played better. Yeah, I don't know if I've quite seen that. I've quite seen that before. Or is it because it's in New York? So it's a little different. You know, I respect what he had to say. I respect what he had to say as far as, you know, being grateful for the opportunity.

But, like, come on, man. Bro, these guys mean, come on, man. Look, this is pro sports. And there's only two things you can get. Wins and losses. That's it. That's how you judge. He's lost more than he's won.

Okay. They say, well, it's not all the quarterback. Well, who's the mofo that gets the credit when they win? They ain't mention no offensive lineman. They're not mentioning Dexter Lawrence. They're not mentioning the linebackers. Who they mention? The quarterback.

So the problem that I got is that a lot of times people are like, well, it's a team game, but y'all blame the quarterback. Here's the thing. When you like somebody, it's a team game. When you don't, it's not. It's really that simple. You and I played this game long enough to understand how the dynamic of it worked.

Yeah, most definitely. I don't care how good in today's game. You can't put a team, a great enough team around. If your quarterback stinks. Yeah. Back.

You could, before they changed all these rules, you can run the football. You can play outstanding defense and you can hide your quarterback. You can run the football, you can play outstanding defense, and you can hide your quarterback. You can no longer hide him. He's the only position that you cannot hide anymore. Because if you got a weak corner, Ocho, I'll play cover too. I roll coverage his way.

I can help him. If I got a weak offensive line, I can just slide protection, or I can tell the back, chip your way out. If I got a terrible quarterback, what the hell am I going to do? Hand them all off 65 times? You can't hide it. Not in this game.

Not in this past. No, absolutely not. You're going to get exposed. And the thing that I love most about sports, especially NFL, you got to update your resume. Them people don't give a damn what you've done in the past. Last year. Yeah.

What they got to do right now. He's a Superbowl champ and he won the MVP. And yeah, what are you doing right now? Those trophies are on his mantle. Those awards are on his mantle. Those accolades is on his resume. What does that got to do with right now?

What nightcap did in 2023? Ain that got to do with right now? What Nightcap did in 2023 ain't got ish to do with 24. And 24 ain't going to have ish to do with 25. We've got to keep getting better. And we're going to keep the hammer down getting better. Better graphics, better editing, better social. We're going to get better at everything.

That's what we do. And if we don't, I'm going to need to know why we're not get better at everything that's what we do and if we don't I'm gonna need to know why we're not getting better right and I don't like to ask questions I really don't yeah we ain't asking shit

nah I'm not a guy that let me ask questions because by the time I come to let me ask questions because by the time I come to you to ask the question I already know the answer oh yeah Drew Laws also questioned not being named quarterback one

for the Giants that's a question that I still have for myself it was expressed to me that that was going to be number two. Interesting situation. So let me get this straight. You're quarterback two. Quarterback one gets benched. Quarterback three pulls on you with no

play. And now you're still quarterback two, even though quarterback one got benched. And it's so bad that they moved Daniel Jones to quarterback four and brought a guy for the practice squad. And put in made him three. Hold on. I'm confused.

If you were good enough and adequate enough at the helm where they feel you could be a leader of men and quarterback the helm of the New York Giants, then you would have been one from the beginning, from the get-go. Or you would have been one at the previous team you were at before. But obviously, before you got to the Giants, you weren't good enough to play there. So what makes you think you're good enough to start the goddamn New York Giants? At some point as a player also reality has to set in and you have to say to yourself, I'm not good enough to be a starter, but I can be a very, very good backup

quarterback. I hope you don't think Tommy DeVito's a starter. I mean... Yeah, I do mean, yeah, I would've known. You don't talk about Tommy, Tommy Cutlass Tommy two times and Tommy DeVito

like that he might not be a starter but he might be a spark he might bring some type of excitement to you he's a dual threat quarterback I'm not saying he's the best quarterback in the goddamn league he can run the ball he can throw the ball good enough to make it exciting to end this goddamn season

I'm putting Tommy DeVito in to make sure I don't win. I'm trying to secure my draft position, and I'm not going to have him monk it up. I like that. That's what I'm going to do. You know who's going there? Want me to tell you? Nah, time ain't going there.

We ain't going there. Oh, I know who's going though man yeah bad plea that's what the giant said the giants is not if if oh joe if i've already benched quarterback number one i felt he gave me the best chance to win after i remove him i don't want any chance to win right i'm putting the guy that gives me the least chance to win after i remove him i don't want any chance to win right i'm putting the guy that gives me the least chance to winning so we just want to secure we just want to secure that goddamn i'm trying to get the best grab spot i can possibly get and i know dr uh tommy devito helps insurers that you gotta believe you gotta believe in your italian baby believe in your DeVito helps and assures that.

You gotta believe in your Italian, baby. Believe in your Italian. He can believe it all he wants to. If the Cowboys' Monday night meltdown wasn't bad enough, C.D. Lamb and Trayvon Diggs just added gasoline to the fire. Hours after a crushing blow added gasoline to the fire. Hours after a crushing blowout loss to the Houston

Texans, Trayvon and CD went to the club to film a music video. Dallas TV shared the clip of the Duval on Twitter, sparking outrage. One fan didn't mince word. That's why y'all suck. Another touch to culture. Dallas Cowboys are not a serious football

team. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. We're not going to do that right now. We're not going to do that right now. Because every time I try to send you, Ocho tell y'all, man, let them boys have fun. Let them boys do what they want to do in their off time. Ocho, how do you feel about this? I mean, when you're losing, I mean, I'm just me, my perspective. If we lose like that during my time when I was in Cincinnati and we were losing,

like, I don't go out no way, so it's hard. I'm just, hypothetically speaking. I wouldn't be out. I wouldn't be out. But again, after losing the way they've been losing this season, I think, you know, them boys might have felt like, man, forget that, man. We getting our ass whooped. I need to go find a different outlet outside of football, and I'm going to

the goddamn club. Now, it's hard for us. Now, Unc, the way you think, I know how you think. Unc, you know how I think. No, I think about winning. I don't go nowhere, no way. But as far as we can't control what other players do outside of the game of football, on how they want to spend their free time. Chet, that's why y'all Cowboys suck.

Because two of your best players, this is what they're doing. That shows you how much the game of football means to them. That's it. Told me everything I need to know. Yeah. All I got to do. I see better than I hear. Now, I heard what CD said.

Yes, sir. Trayvon doesn't do a whole lot of talking. I hear what Michael said. But my grandfather used to always tell my brother and I, he said, I see better than I hear. Yeah. I heard what y'all told me, but I know I see that trash still in the corner when I told y'all to take it out.

Everybody talks about winning, but do you take the steps in order to win? How is partying? You got your ass kicked. I would have left the stadium with a bag over my head. Ain't no way y'all see me leave your stadium. After I got beat like that, after I've gotten beat like that every game,

47-9, 37-10, 48-32, a yada and a partridge in a pear tree, and you do this? It's disrespectful. It is disrespectful to the fans that pay their hard-earned money. But you know what? It couldn't happen to a better franchise because all they ought to do is run his mouth and talk about what they're going to do

and this team, I've been around Super Bowl teams and this and that and all they players do because they take it from the top. They run their mouth and they ain't one dog crap. None of them. No dog shit. You can say it.

It's okay. Not one. Hey, I got a question. And they talk about, they know what it takes. You don't know what it takes to win because none of you guys have won. It is disgusting. It's disappointing that these two are your best players. This is what they think.

See, just goes to show you. See, everybody, see, everybody tells you what they think. See, Jeff, she goes to show you. See, everybody tells you what they think you want to hear. Yeah. But I see what I need to know. And it tells me everything I need to know. You can't convince me these guys care about winning because this is not what you do when you want to win. So what's in the club that's going to help you get better?

Take your ass home and start the recovery process. This is why I couldn't play in today's time. Because guys, I don't care what they say. Guys, most, a lot, don't care about winning. They like the bag. They like what comes along with being an NFL

player. You're going to get the baddest women. You're going to get to go to the clubs. You get to move to the front of the line. You get to go all these places. But everything, our brand, my brand, the Cowboys is the brand. Ain't one player on that team got a damn brand because you ain't won nothing because you don't care about winning. You ain't got no leadership.

That's your number one problem. Who's the leader? I'll wait for you to tell problem. Who's the leader? I'll wait for you to tell me. Who's the leader? Is it Dak? Is it Micah? Is it Diggs? Is it CeeDee?

Who is the leader of that team, Mocho? Quarterback. You lying to me. Ain't no way. Ain't no way way that's what you get they got no leaders Ocho that is the problem that the Cowboys have they're devoid of leaders they're devoid of leadership from top to bottom the only isn't a leader he thinks because he he's worth $16 billion. He thinks because he has a TV show. He's the only owner, the only GM that really has a TV show. He thinks that makes him a

leader. Little does he know they don't pay him no attention. Mike McCarthy is not a leader because they know he's been emasculated from the day he arrived. He has no... All he is is a coach arrived. He has no... All he is is a coach entitled. He has no powers.

He's Batman without his belt. What the F could Batman do without that belt? Come on, preacher. He's Superman with kryptonite. Nothing. Boy, it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing.

You couldn't do this on your off day. I'd have been pissed off if you did it on Tuesday. But at least you got a little like, hey, it's my off day. You lost the game and you took your no good for nothing asses out and shot a video? Damn. Tokyo no good for nothing asses out and shot a video. Damn everything I need to know. That's why I see. That's why they all. You know what?

I know I was never the best player ever, and I'm never going to say that, but I tell you one thing I can tell you. I know what it takes to win, and I know the sacrifice and the dedication and determination. Them guys don't know nothing about that. Them guys just talk. They run their mouth.

And they've been well compensated for it. Because what guys look at today, if I make the bag, that means I'm good. The hell you not. That's why you see my calls. Everybody got a my calls, Cleet Ocho. I remember when we played, you had to be a dog to get a damn cleat. Now guys got patent leather cleat. They got fur.

They got diamonds on the cleat. I said, bro, how'd you get a cleat? You on special teams. Why do you got a cleat? I don't want to. Boy, look here. There's not one player, and I want to be crystal clear, and I want to be abundantly clear.

Yeah. And I say this, in the strongest, the most sincerest, I wouldn't want to play with one player on the Dallas Cowboys. One. Damn, huh? Not one. I would have told Zach Martin two years ago but Zach Martin is beat to hell all the rest of

them you can keep every look oh you don't want to play with that not one They don't want to win, Ocho. Yes, sir. They want to talk about winning. They want to have talk shows.

They want to have podcasts. They want to talk about stuff. Some people talk about it. Some people be about it. And some people do what it takes in order to win. You can't win like that. You can't win with them. Jerry, you're going to have to make a decision.

Because you got a bunch of guys that just happen to be collecting big ass checks. But you don't have one leader. You have a guy that can call a meeting, but ain't nobody paying a damn attention to a word he's effing saying. Because that's what they think about him. Because everybody got their own agenda. That's the problem.

Michael Parsons apologizes for Mike McCarthy comment. When I'm talking about here, I'm thinking about the Dallas Cowboys. I have no reference. I was in the middle school, elementary school, and Mike McCarthy was a Packer. See what I'm saying?

Not a student of the game. Most players are historians of the game. The really good ones, ask T.J. Watt about the defensive player. Ask T.J. Watt about the history of the game. Moving forward. Mike McCarthy was with the Packers. I have no reference to that wow i wouldn't even say that you see remember we talked about anthony richardson and how he

should have said certain things right see if you keep your mouth closed people won't know what you don't know but when you open your mouth you remove all doubt i have no reference so obviously no disrespect to his career and what he made for himself is winning his coaches. I could have done better. But I thought you didn't say anything. Who apologizes for nothing, Ocho? Is that what you do?

You're coming back because of the backlash on what he said. The context of what you said. But if you're right, I'm standing on it. Okay. And you're standing on it too. You ain't apologizing when Ocho's right. Hell, you don't want to apologize when you're right, I'm standing on it. Okay. And you're standing on it, too. You ain't apologizing when Ochoa's right. Hell, you don't want to apologize when you're wrong.

So I don't damn well, GD, well, you ain't apologizing when you're right. But anyway, let me continue this. I think people would take that out of context, okay? They took it how you said it. I wanted to hurry up out of the locker room. Next time, I'll be very careful about what I say. So that's my apologies. What'd you think about that?

You should have kept his mouth closed, huh? We never knew what he didn't know. You don't know what you don't know. And people don't know what you don't know. And people don't know what you don't know. Yeah. Till you open your mouth. And then you remove all doubt whether or not they know what you know. Right.

That's the part. You see, I was heard out of the locker room. Two things that can never be taken back. Words spoken and deeds done. Be careful what you say. Be careful how you treat people. Right. I'm done.

At some point in time, Ochoa, we got to stop using excuses. Oh, he young. He young. He ain't no better. 25 is young? He ain't too young to cash that check. I just this is like most of the time also as well

I mean the players especially those that have podcasts those that like to talk especially to the media obviously being a part of the Cowboys you know anything you say is magnified because of the star on your helmet you gotta be a little bit more careful, a little bit more media savvy. Everybody's not media savvy.

Why you got to podcast then if you're not media savvy? You're in the media. You're held to the same standard. You fake reckless, you become reckless. Yeah. What if a media member said, I don't know who that player was you would eat his ass up it's your job to know

it's embarrassing these kids these young men they're not kids these grown ass men they're kids masquerading as grown men and it's embarrassing they don't realize how embarrassing it is

I just wish guys I just wish these players today some of them not all there's no such thing as all there's no such thing as every but a lot wish these players today, some of them, not all. There's no such thing as all. There's no such thing as every. But a lot of these players, Ocho, they fooling the fans because we get up here and they talk about what they want to do and I just want to win. You want to win, but you want to get your numbers.

You want to win, but you want to get your stats. Sometimes winning requires you not to do that. And it's okay because at the end of the day, who doesn't? Ocho? But we won. How do I go in good conscience and complain about not getting targets and catches

and we won the game? So is it about my numbers or is it about wins? I just know what it takes to win without a best player am I the best player no I just know what it takes to win everything that I told you everything that I've said y'all come back oh oh you don't know but that Joel Embiid situation I told y'all a lot of stuff told y'all about AB y'all oh no no let that man free now look at you

why ain't nobody offering a man ain't no job y'all was gassing them up y'all put a battery in his back do or sell it was a rechargeable battery and y'all kept it plugged up all I want to do I'm not into anything Ocho that I can't win at all kept it plugged up. All I want to do is I'm not into anything, Ocho, that I can't win at.

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why you talking about head coach replacements in the middle of the season why you surprised by this did somebody put that actually came from Jerry Jones surprised by this? Did somebody put that actually came from Jerry Jones? Didn't we talk about this? When stuff come out,

it's coming from somewhere? Oh, I see you going with it. You playing the seed early, huh? Mike McCarthy knew when he didn't get a contract extension, he was dead man walking. Yeah, unless they were winning. I don't believe, the only way he could have saved his job, he had to go deep.

12 and 5 wasn't going to do it because he had went 12 and 5 the previous three years. And he still hadn't got a contract extension in his fourth year. Bang. bang cowboy versus the jazz go ahead don't you I was finna say it started

all the problems all the issues why why folks feel comfortable being able to do what they're doing in offseason? I mean, during season, on Mondays, after games.

Well, hell, the owner acting fool himself. You know why they do what they do, Ocho? Because Jerry don't take it serious when he bringing people trotting through there during the week. He make it like a zoo. So they say, you know what, Hell, we're in the circle. Let's clown too. So they do what they want to do also.

You take it serious. We take it serious. Cowboy versus Giants Thanksgiving game prices at lowest $25. This is what will get his attention. This is what'll get his attention. Wait, say it again? Cowboy Giants Thanksgiving day game tickets as low as $25.

That's what'll get his attention, Ocho. You got to tell you got to touch them pockets, huh? Yeah. You touch them pockets, that'll get anybody's attention now. What got their attention? What got Tustin Pockets, huh? Yeah! Tustin Pockets, they didn't get anybody's attention now. What got their attention? What got their attention with the Kaepernick? Advertising sponsors say, hey, we gonna take this money.

Hey, y'all gonna have to stand up. Hey, they started playing that Luda song in all the arenas. Stand up! They don't play about that money, boy. That's that bottom line. That's how y'all fans get Jerry's attention. See, y'all be talking about y'all mad at Jerry. Jerry need to step down, and y'all still playing

three, four hundred, five hundred dollars for tickets. What? Do that. Y'all still selling out the building. Jerry don't hear y'all. When it comes, billionaires understand one thing, capital, money.

When stock prices drop, that's when the shareholders start raising hell. That's when the board make decisions. That's what I'm talking about. Oh, Cho. Yeah. We had this conversation.

Well, let me go here. The Jets are a certified disaster and they got messier today. The day began with the team firing general manager Joe Douglas, which was not exactly a surprise. Douglas was 30 and 64 during the Jets tenure

and never snipped the playoffs. The juicy of all was Woody Johnson wanted to bench Aaron Rodgers just four weeks into the season in favor of Tyrod Taylor. The coaches present in the meeting were stunned, according to our report, and rightfully so.

Johnson backed off, but fired Robert Sala a week later. Fired Robert Sala, Demoted Nathaniel Hackett. Now, I ask you, who was next? Right. See, Green Bay got smart. Green Bay said, hell, y'all, you ain't finna get me up out of here.

Matt LaFleur and Brian Gutekes and Mark Murphy. Hold on. Woody Johnson wanted to bench Aaron Rodgers in week four for Tyrod Taylor, right? Yep. So the elephant in the room who always been the problem. So you're doing all this firing where you're not getting,

putting the right person in the place that needs to be. Well, how you going to bench? I ain't never seen nobody bench a quarterback that make that kind of money either. If it was left up to Woody Johnson, he would have. He would have, yeah. So now Joe Douglas gone. But you, Woody, you do realize they use your jet to go fly to see Aaron Rodgers. You do realize you signed off on all this.

So where's your culpability in any of this? Right. But you know, he can't fly himself. But also, they're expecting to get the Aaron Rodgers to bowl. They're expecting to get the Aaron Rodgers. They got an old Aaron Rodgers. Bro, everybody ain't going to be. So you thought they was going to turn right around

after Tom Brady did what he did. You thought so soon right after that, another guy was going to do that? What allowed Brady to play as long as he did and as well as he had no major injury after he suffered that ACL injury? That was in 2008. So up until that, he had no injuries.

He had no hamstrings. He had no injuries that really caused him to miss time. Yeah. Aaron Rodgers was coming off one of the most serious injuries a player in sports can suffer. The Achilles injury. Plus, he's 40. You know, I don't think he takes the game as serious as Tom as well. Of course not.

He never has. Two totally different types of quarterbacks, especially when it comes to their approach to the game and the seriousness of it and the way they take it. So I could understand if you're coming off an injury like that and you already don't take it serious, you do what you need to do to get back and good graciousness and health to play, but your approach is still wrong because everything you do talk about when you're on TV,

it has nothing to do with the game of football. Nothing. Oh, you finally realized that, huh? Yeah, I said it before. I just don't understand. Every time he speaks, it never has anything to do with damn football. Nothing. Oh, you finally realized that, huh? Yeah, I said it before. I just don't understand. Every time he speaks, it never has anything to do with damn football. No. There's always some shit I gotta look up in the goddamn dictionary or on the goddamn

computer. He's talking about going into the dark and he's talking about these trips and he's talking about this and talking about that. Nothing about building team camaraderie, building team chemistry. Yeah. And when he could have been he could have been doing that he was in Egypt talking about a trip everybody know

with that mandatory minicamp you don't plan nothing around that Ocho because that's the one that you got to be at oh let me everybody that understands what the word mandatory means has to be there. But what he failed to realize, what he did in Green Bay,

ain't got nothing to do. They want to see what you're going to do for the Jets. You heard Tom, I said it when I went to Baltimore. Them Pro Bowls, those All Pros, those Super Bowls, that ain't got, I've done nothing in Baltimore. I've got to come in, work my ass off to let them see how I became the player I became while I was there. Peyton said it. Tom so eloquently laid it out.

He's like, what I accomplished in New England got to do with Tampa? Tom getting his teammates, hey, let's go to the park. It's in COVID. We ain't supposed to be in the park we're gonna make them throw our ass out they getting thrown out of high school fields that shit was funny Peyton getting his guys together he getting he grabbed up Julius and Decker and and and Julius Thomas and no Sean hey let's, guys. I think Stokely was there at the time. Or Welker. Let's go, hey, let's go throw. Let's build up some chemistry.

Let's build up a bond. Let's get to know. Let me tell you where I want to throw the foot. You tell me where you want the ball, and let me tell you what I'm looking for on this route. Mm-hmm. Nah, let me go over to Egypt. I've already got this trip planned. Hey, so it is what it is.

If I'm the Jets, I need somebody to explain to me why would I want Aaron Rodgers back? Next year? Yes. Oof. If Aaron Rodgers is not done done if he's not done he said he signed he signed two years didn't he on i think he has another year left on that contract okay he signed three okay but for what right why do i want tell me tell me why do i want him mo Mocho? What am I getting? A 41-year-old that's a year older than what he is now?

So what, he's going to gain speed? He's going to get faster? Mm-mm. You know what? A better question is, if you don't want him next year, what's your next option? What's your next viable option where you can compete and you can continue?

Can I compete with Aaron Rodgers? You're telling me what I can't do without him. what's your next viable option where you can compete and you can continue can I compete with Aaron Rodgers you're telling me what I can't do without him what can I do with him so tell me what can I do with him because I can be 3-8 without him and save 50 million yeah

hell you in last place in the division if you finish last place in the division with him I can't finish in last place in the division. If you finish last place in the division with him, I can't finish in last place in the division without him? Yeah. But hey, you understand

and you know how difficult that position is, how difficult it is to find a quarterback for that position. You know that. Yes. Have they found one?

They got one in the position now. Have they found a quarterback for that position? It's been a long, when's the last time they had one? Think about that. He's been there two years. That's an even better question. We're going to disregard that.

Yeah. Do they got a quarterback right now? Nah. Take Rodgers off the back of the jersey. You bringing that guy back next year? Nah. And if he does get the grace to come back next year, it's because of what he's done in the past.

If he does get the grace to come back next year, it's based off what he's done in the past. Of course, absolutely. Oh, he's going to get some grace based on that alone. Grace don't win your game. Despite having a similar loss record, Devontae Adams said things with the Jets are much different than when they were the Raiders.

Look at the situation I was in Vegas and look at the situation I'm here. At least I feel hopeful that we'll have a good performance. I'm confused. So, as long as you have a good performance, but you lose, you cool. Ocho, did I read that wrong?

Ocho, I wish I could have this up in your thing. He says, look at the situation I was in in Vegas. You look at the situation I'm in here. At least I feel hopeful that we'll be able to have a good performance. At least here, I think we'll be able to have a good performance. At least here, I think we'll be able to win. Did I miss something that I asked? Did you leave out win?

So there's no win in that, just a good performance. I'm going to read it again because maybe you can find win in this. Look at the situation I was in in Vegas. And you look at the situation I'm going to read it again because maybe you can figure out why I'm winning this. Look at the situation I was in in Vegas and you look at the situation I'm in here. At least I feel hopeful that we'll be able to have a good performance. Yeah, I think the wording, the wording, the wording is wrong the the wording and the way he said what

he's trying to say is wrong how you trying to well how you trying to you tell me all the time why are you trying to put words in my mouth why are you trying to tell me what i'm trying to say you're doing that for davante so now you're gonna tell a man what he meant to say even though he said it i No, I'm just saying. He said, we have to perform good. He's speaking we. At least I hope we'll be

able to have a good performance. He's talking about offensively, we. That's why he said we. What's the Jets record? 3-8. You heard me on? 3-8.

What's the Las Vegas record? 3-8, 2-8. 3-8, 2-8. Hey, you here tonight, boy. Man, they got him bad. Hey. Hey, you here him, man. Hey. Hey, what are you doing here all the night, boy?

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