Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Caleb Williams' next move, Stefon Diggs' cryptic tweet, Texans new uniforms

Episode Date: March 19, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Rober Griffin III saying he wants USC standout and presumptive No. 1 overall pick to "pull an Eli Manning" and tell the Chicago Bears to not take him in the NFL Draft, Stefon Diggs sending out cryptic tweets that has everyone speculating his relationship with the Buffalo Bills, the Houston Texans getting roasted for their new uniforms, and much more! 0:00 Introduction03:40 RG3 says Caleb Williams should pull an Eli Manning a demand the Bears don’t draft him19:20 Should the Bills want to keep Stefon Diggs?44:20 Keenan Allen says says he told Chargers he’s not taking a paycut54:30 Kenny Pickett happy with how he handled departure with Steelers58:15 People roasting Texans new uniforms #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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that's going to happen. So thank you so much, guys. I greatly appreciate that. Ocho, we're going to get right into it, our first segment of the day, which is a news cap. Yeah. cap yeah rg3 wants caleb williams to pull an eli manning and demand the bears don't draft him he said with everything that just happened with justin fields can caleb williams really look at that and say this organization has my best interest in heart and they're going to do it

they're going to help develop me into the player i want to become. Do you agree with RG3's assessment? I mean, somewhat I do agree, based on the way they handled the Justin Fields situation. You look at it from an organizational standpoint, to me, I think Caleb Williams is such an immense talent that he can overcome the shortcomings that are going on with the Bears right now. Obviously, the offense additions that they did add, I would have to have a talk with management. I would have to have a talk with management.

And what are your two-year, three-year plan? What's your two-year, three-year goals as far as I'm concerned, as far as me being into the fold as the starting quarterback for the Bears. I mean, it's very important. But then you look at it on the flip side, let's say he does demand to sit out and wants to go somewhere else. Obviously, Eli Manning was drafted by the Chargers, but then eventually he went to the New York Giants. What other teams are out there that would be good for him that don't have the quarterback position already filled out um so i'm on i'm so with any job situation so if somebody leaves a job i'm not supposed to take that job because they mishandle somebody else is that what you're saying well i mean no i think and

i i understand what robert was. I understand what he's saying. Will Caleb Williams pull and do what Eli Manning did? No, I don't think so. I don't think he has the. I'm not going to go. The cojones to pull it off, obviously, Archie Manning and the history that they have with the NFL. I think it's he was able to pull that off. But I think Caleb Williams, he's going to be a bear and you're going to have to do the best you can

with the situation you're put in. Should a quarterback not want to go to the Broncos, consider how they handle Russell Wilson? That's a good one. Where do we stop this? I'm a little older than you, Ocho,

so I go back and study this stuff. We can go back and look at every point, listen, I'm a little older than you, Ocho, so I go back and study this stuff. We can go back and look at every NFL team and say they've mishandled a quarterback at some point in time in their history. So is that what we're going to do? Because somebody got mishandled, well, I don't want to go there. You know, it's tough. It's rough. And the fact that, obviously, you know, quarterbacks are given a three year span. They're given a three year span. And these organizations need to know for the development, the confidence.

And which way you want your organization to go, you have to do everything you can and putting the right pieces around those quarterbacks, especially now. And this is just in this day and age, quarterbacks don't sit back and wait. You can't know when there's too much money involved at the tail end. There's too much money at the end of the road, Ocho, and part of a part of the cliche. But there's too much money four years down the line in order for you to have to wait, because I'm going to have to cut somebody a check for a quarter of a billion. Well, Caleb Williams, the minimum that he's going to get, if he's what people believe, the minimum he's going to get is $300 million.

Yeah. So that's also why I knew he would not be going back. Well, Marvin Harrison Jr., same thing. Well, the NIL can pay him what he can make it. No, they can't. And second of all, all you're doing is delaying a year from free agency. Right. All you're doing is delaying a year from free agency. Right. All you're doing is push the free agency.

So I'm going to push down the road an opportunity to get $125 million, $140 million, $150 million. If I'm a quarterback, I'm going to push down the road the ability to get $300 million. Yeah. For me, if I'm Caleb Williams, I look at they got DJ Moore. They just got Keenan Allen. They got Cole commit. They now could we go into the line, go into the draft and get an offensive lineman to protect to protect Caleb Williams?

Sure. That's a possibility now, because with Keenan Allen, with DJ Moore, with DJ Moore and Cole commit. I like the skill because I can go get me a third receiver on down the line, maybe the third or the fourth round. But now I need to think about somebody that's going to protect the investment. I don't care how much money you got in the bank. You better have some guards. You better have some security guard to protect it. Yeah, right.

And so that's what you need. So that's why you look at Caleb Williams. You look at him as an investment. Now I need parameters around him to protect it you see it's one thing for you to say it it's one thing for you to say it but are is it's mr polk mr proles and the rest of the organization willing to do what they need to do to make sure they're going to protect that investment so you get the best the most of so you get the most that you can out of him early so when when year three is up you're willing to pay him without any regrets or any second thoughts i believe they are they also signed gill everett who's a pass catching tight end um they signed deandre swift running back

from the philadelphia eagles and look at the defense they got all pro jalen johnson who was sensational montez sweat that they traded for and got from the defense they got all pro jalen johnson who was sensational montez sweat that they traded for and got from the washington football team right the commanders i think that's where they got him from so you're talking about a top 10 defense i'm probably possibly set now i need protection i'm gonna make sure i'm not gonna make the same mistakes that i made with justin fields and sometimes you know we can learn from the mistakes that we made to make sure we don't make them again, because we got Justin Fields, but we forgot people, forgot a situation where we needed to protect him. But he also, uh, Fields made some mistakes by, you know, not shifting the line one way or another, taking unnecessary

punishment, but that comes along with maturity. You learn. You ain't going to take too many of them right here under the chin, Ojo. We've all taken them, but we learned, uh-uh, I ain't going across there no more. I'm going to have my head on a swivel. I'm going to know where that hit's coming from. But for me, I disagree with RG3. I understand what he's saying, but we got to be careful

trying to encourage people to do something because we disagree with how the situation handled before because we disagree with where, how situation handled before, because we can look at, go back and look at it and says, you know what? They mishandled that team too. They mishandled that player.

We ain't even got to go back that damn far now. No, we don't. We ain't got to go back that far. You know, honestly, it happens every year, especially look at the running back position.

Right. Look at the running back position and the positions that NFL teams and owners don't feel are valuable anymore. Hell, they ain't handling none of them, right? Uh, is that, how's your audio, your microphone?

What's wrong with it? You can't hear me? Huh? Hold on, you can't hear me? Yeah, they say you sound like you in the bathroom. How I sound now is it better hello hello hello

better it is yeah I had to hit the button thank you for telling me I had to hit the button on the side of my they say it sound like you was doing a number three, a one and a two. Oh, nah,

nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I'm good. Sorry about that. Sorry about that, Chad. My bad. My bad. But think about it, Ocho. They signed new offensive coordinator Shane Waldron. Plenty of play-calling experience, building around the quarterback, and they have the number nine pick in the draft, so they get number one pick from Carolina, and they have their

own number nine pick, which is top 10. So if I'm them looking at what I got on defense, I'm going offensive line. If the offensive lineman from, he seems to be the highest rated offensive lineman in the draft. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I think his daddy played with

Kansas City, if I'm not mistaken. I played against his dad back in when I didn't play against him, but I was on the Broncos team that played against Kansas City. I think his dad was John Alt. So that's where I would go.

If I'm Ryan Poles, I'm going to that name. I'm getting an offensive lineman, Ochoa. I'm going to get somebody to protect him. Now, I wish you could have got Tyron Smith. Now, I understand what comes along with Tyron because he hadn't

been able to play a full season in a very long time, but those 12 or 13 games that you are going to get him, you're going to be well protected. Yeah, especially on the left side, especially the blind side, actually. Yeah, and so that's what you need. So I don't have a problem.

I don't have a problem. I like this. He has weapons. DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, two 1,000-yard receivers. Cole Komet, Gerald Everett, two pass-catching tight ends. DeAndre Swift at the running back position. Like I said, I can go into the draft and get a wide receiver with the third or fourth-round pick,

but with that ninth pick, I'm going to get an offensive lineman. I will get somebody that's going to protect him because I don't know if there's anybody left in the draft that's going to give you that kind of value where you can protect the quarterback. So I can mix and match from there. But I'm going to first pick. I'm going to take the first pick. I'm going to take his Caleb Williams. The second pick that I'm going to take is uh going to be an offensive lineman uh also coach prime head coach to see you buffs uh also spoke about caleb landing in chicago and said

said he doesn't like the landing spot let me tell you something i have a problem with kids coming from california for the last couple of years right went to oklahoma not terribly cold chicago is cold man you got to think about It's not terribly cold. Chicago is cold, man. You got to think about that kind of stuff when you're taking a young man. Listen, I'm just going to know. See, when you take a guy from Ohio State and you bring him to Chicago, okay, I can

understand that. But from California to Chicago, not only that, they added what? One or two more games in the NFL 17 game? Come on, man. You got to factor stuff in. That stuff matters. Ocho, if you don't mind me, can I ask you a question? Yes, sir.

Can you tell the people at home where Patrick Mahomes played college ball at? Texas Tech. Is it cold? Is it cold or is it hot in Texas? It's hot out there, boy. It's hot out there, boss. Where does he play football at now? Kansas City, boss.

If you don't mind me asking, but your quarterback, can you tell the people at home where he played college ball at? USC. LSU. Oh, you talking about Joe? I thought you meant Carson. You said my quarterback. Oh, my bad.

Your current quarterback. But we go to Carson. Yeah, Carson, USC. Joe Burrow played at LSU. LSU, hot. Let's see. Cincinnati, cold. Baltimore, cold.

Pittsburgh, cold. Cleveland, cold. At what point in time did we start making excuses for decoding? If the guy can play, he can play. John Elway played in Stanford. He came to Denver. Did it work out? So if a guy doesn't pan out are we really gonna blame the weather yeah is that what we're blaming it on now we really i think it's just something i think it's something just that that that you

have to factor in it's one of those um what do you call it a i call it anal one of those anal things that that scouts look at one of those things that owners look at. You know, they nitpick. Sometimes they go back to elementary and find something that you did wrong in elementary and use that against you. You know, just small stuff that really doesn't matter. And I think for a player of his caliber, Caleb Williams will be able to adapt to the environment.

He'll be fine in Chicago until you get them goddamn games. Until you get them goddamn games. Until you get them goddamn games. If you don't mind me asking, Ocho, do you know where Caleb Williams grew up at? You're not from L.A.? Washington, D.C. I wonder if it gets cold in D.C. It gets cold out there.

No, it doesn't. What? You mean to tell me you... Huh? Yeah. You mean to tell me you said that and you're not Willard Scott or Al Roker and you tell me to get Cole in D.C.?

Man, we gotta stop this, man. We gotta stop this. I don't like the fact that we try to build excuses for these guys. Hey, I'm taking the guy best available. I don't give a damn where he's from. I don't care if he played in Antarctica and he has to come to Miami or he has to play. I don't care. I don't care. I don't give a damn where he's from. I don't care if he played in Antarctica and he has to come to Miami

or he has to play. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care if a guy played in Texas and I got to bring his ass to Pittsburgh. I'm taking the best guy available that I need at a position. So if I need a quarterback, I don't care if he

played on the dome. He about to have his ass outside. He's going to be alright. He's going to be alright. He's going to be straight. He's going to adapt. It snows in North Texas. Let me ask you a question. He played from D.C.

So it don't get cold in Oklahoma. It get just as cold in Oklahoma as it does Texas. Yeah, yeah. When I was at Langston, it got cold up there, man. It got cold up there. Yeah, of course it does.

At some point in time, it gets cold everywhere. Hell, it get cold here sometime in Southern California. Right. And stop making these excuses for these kids. Let them play.

So I'm going to pass you. You know what, Ocho? One of the highest rated players on the board. I'm going to pass him up because he spent two years in Southern Cal and we play in a cold weather climate. So I'm going to pass him up and I'm going to take somebody else

that's lessened down, that's not graded as high, but because I think he's going to be able to adapt better than the cold weather. Nah, that's not graded as high, but because I think he's going to be able to adapt better than the cook to the cold weather. Nah. That ain't happening. You know that ain't happening. I guess where I played. Savannah State. Yeah.

Guess where they sent my black ass? Denver. Cold. Yeah. Yeah. And then for good measure, I went to Baltimore. Cold. Cold. And they sent my black ass back to Denver. So I was okay. Yeah.

Yeah. I just think the thing is, like I said, John Elway spent four years in Stanford. And he went to Denver. Guys adapt. Guys adapt. Just like Tom Brady grew up in Northern California. And he took his ass all the way to Michigan. Oh.

Yeah. Hell, New England for 20 goddamn years. Yeah. So, man, guys, adapt. You understand when you sign. Like, man, I'm from the south. I got to go. Because guys from Florida go all the time, go to Ohio State.

Guys from Georgia, they go all the time. Go to Ohio State. Guys from Georgia, they go all the time to Michigan, Ohio State. Guys from Alabama, South Carolina. Hold on. Where's CJ Stroud from? California. He's from L.A. He's from L.A., yeah. And guess where he played college ball at?

Ohio State. Where it was called. Now, why would he do that? Man. Man, we got to stop this. It don't matter. He's going to be all right. Hell, yeah, he's going gonna be all right hell yeah you're gonna be all right you'll be all right like i said it's uh it's amazing you know it was cold to me it was cold it was cold when i was growing up in georgia but all of a sudden i make a little money it

wasn't nearly as cold though jocho. It was the same. But you're a jacket, huh? Mm. I bought me a little windbreaker. I put that windbreaker on out there. And that wind still cut through my chest. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Ocho, your boy had it again. Stefan Diggs

expected to remain with Buffalo. You got that right. Where else he gonna go? Where else he gonna go? That's that boy. Hello. Hold on. He said,

ready for whatever. While Diggs' mysterious post indicate there may be some uncertainty, it seems unlikely Buffalo would trade its top receiver

this offseason. Offseason. Remember now, they lost Gabe Davis. Should the Bills want to keep Stephon Diggs? You're goddamn right you're going to keep Stephon Diggs. He'll top five receiving NFL, one of the best rock runners there is that have ever played a goddamn game.

You know, Steph had a good season last year, 107, 11,083 yards, 8 TDs. What you mean? Listen, if you let Stephon Diggs walk, right? As a Bills fan, as a Josh Allen fan for me, what are you telling your fans? The window of opportunity, it ain't that big.

Ain't that big. So offensively, you always fall short. You've been falling short. Who is your best offensive weapon outside of Josh motherfucking Allen? He went number 14. He went number 14 because of number 14 it opens up everything else offensively wherever he lines up now what they need to do offensively and do a little better job of is finding a way to implement him more in the offense and stop allowing defenses later on in the season to take him away okay you

know what were they covering digs whatever they're doing they man make the man the man they roll the cover his his way let's find ways to get in the ball to keep the ball moving keep the chains moving not just let him fall by the wayside then you throw him an important ball when it matters the most at times and then that that laughs in that laughs and focus because you hadn't been touching it so long oh sometimes you don't make the play that he should you know why because i've got damn cold and i've been running a goddamn track meet marathon for goddamn three quarters like come on man i mean there's so many and it's so easy to do it's so easy to do. It's so easy to do because for some reason, it seems other teams have figured

out, have figured a way to get their best players to ball throughout the entirety of the season and not allowing and not allowing team to dictate what they want to do offensively. Stephon Diggs ain't going to. Matter of fact, if Stephon Diggs leave, I'd beat his ass. That's how I feel

because he needs to call, he needs to make sure, for one with Josh Allen, and for one with management, upstairs and downstairs, that everything is okay, that we all on the same page. Well, if he stopped tweeting... Now, that tweet ain't... That tweet got to do with fashion.

It got to do what? Read the tweet again. Read what the tweet said. Ready for whatever? Yeah, he talked about his next outfit. Man, stop. I'm telling you, I know Steph. He got his style from me. Yeah, so that's something I used to say back in like in 92.

That's song lyrics. I know what you meant. Stephon Diggs had over 1,100 yards. He didn't have 11,000, so I get it. My bad, man. I know what you meant. Stefan Diggs had over 1,100 yards. He didn't have 11,000. My bad, man. I mean, 1183. My bad. My bad.

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listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. But here's the thing. This is what I know about receivers, especially guys that are wired like him. Yeah. I'm going to keep the ball out of his hands early so he'll get frustrated. And then when they throw it to him late, he's going to have a lapse in concentration and drop it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's all I'm doing. It's the have a lapse in concentration and drop it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's all I'm doing.

It's the same thing with the same blueprint they did with T.O. What did they do to T.O. early? Double it. Yeah. Let him get frustrated. But see, and this is the funny thing. I think teams know that. Offensive coordinators know that.

Head coaches know that. So as the head coach of the Buffalo Bills, as the offensive coordinator of the Buffalo Bills, what do you want to do? You want Steph to touch the ball early. It don't even have to be nothing crazy. Throw him a goddamn smoke route.

Let him touch the ball. Let him feel the ball. You, as a tight end, know how it feels when you touch that ball early. You are locked in for the entirety of the game because you feel like you were part of the game plan. You are locked in for the entirety of the game. Yeah. Because you feel like you were part of the game plan. I did. I wanted the ball.

I'm not fitting a lie and say I didn't. But this is what I realized. I didn't get paid by the catch. Just like I don't get paid by the word when I'm on television. People are like, man, you don't even speak that much on Undisputed. They don't pay me for the word. I get paid a day rate. So if I don't say

before words, I got the same day rate if I talk for an hour straight. So the way I look at it, Ocho, you want to throw me the ball, I'm going to increase your chances of winning. But if you don't,

but guess what, Ocho? Hey, we should have got you a ball. When they used to say, man, hey, 84, we got to get you more involved early. I ain't say, yeah, you right.

I kept walking. Mm-hmm. Nine at a time. Because the game's over. You're telling me that as opposed to you doing that in the time. It's over. And see, this is a game they also play. Chet, stay with me real quick. This is a game also teams that play when it comes time to make business decisions.

Now, what they'll do now, if you look at Stephon Diggs' numbers and targets throughout the entirety of his career, again, he had a good year last year, a good year, not to the terms in which I see him, because I still see him as top three, top five, no matter what anybody says, regardless of what the young fellas are doing right now in the NFL, because they allow teams to take him away. Now, what are they going to do? I'm going to tell you the games they're going to play. They're going to have a season, right? They're going to have a season this year, and I'm hoping

things turn around for them offensively where they don't allow a team to dictate because you know what they're going to do? They're going to come to them at the end of the season where, you know what? Based on what you're making and your stats, it don't line up together.

You see what I'm talking about? Your production and what you command as far as your salary is concerned, you know what? It don't go hand in hand. That's the game they like to play. You know what I'm trying to say? Yeah, for sure. Hey, sometimes, Ocho, they'll come to you when you had a great year. Ask Keenan Allen.

Keenan Allen will say, I just had my greatest year ever. We're going to talk about this. And you're talking about take a pay cut. So if I have a great year, you say take a pay cut. I have a bad year,

you say take a pay cut. She, yeah. No. But it's, again, listen, it's the business. That's what I, if I came down, that's what I would

throw in the charges. But again, it's the business side of things that I do not like. Again, Steph, I know you're going to see this. I need you to call management. I need you to call Josh Allen. If you want to do a three-way,

you want to do a three-way, you get me on the call. I want to make sure things are okay. I know what you can do. They know what you can do. The rest of the world know what you can do. We shouldn't even be having discussions like this anyway, whether you're going to be there or not. You give them

their best chance in the regular season and in the postseason. If the goddamn organization, if the Buffalo Bills organization is serious with the small window of opportunity that they do have about not only getting to the postseason, but winning the goddamn Lombardi,

you have to be part of that. Now you let me know, because if I need to come down to the postseason, but winning the goddamn Lombardi, you have to be part of that. Now you let me know, because if I need to come down to the Buffalo with you. But Ocho, he got to start with the cryptic tweets though. But that ain't got, it's not football season. Okay. It's not football season. But you know what?

I noticed teams that win. Let me ask you a question. His love life, they could have just broke up. So I'm just asking, teams that win, do you see this in the offseason? See what? So not a man can't tweet what he want to in the offseason. He can tweet whatever he want to. Yeah, but this is –

I mean, but every year you make excuses. I remember when they first lost to Buffalo, he's sitting on the field. Every year, when Philadelphia beat them in the playoffs to go to the thing, he's sitting on the field. He wanted to soak it in. Buffalo, when Kansas City beat them, he's sitting there soaking on the field. They beat them again. He stared up at the stars.

He's doing all of this except when they throw his ass the ball late in the ball game and he drop it. Okay. I mean, he didn't come up one play. He's human. He's human. He's due to make mistakes as we all are. No, no, no, no, no, no.

That's not what you're saying. You keep telling me he top five. He's not top five anymore. Maybe he'll top five receiver. He'll top five receiver right now. Yep, yep. Okay, you're taking him over. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Let's do it. Don't call out no names. CD, you're taking him over, CD. Wait. Yep. Okay. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, let's do it. Don't call out no names. CD, you taking them over CD? Wait, wait, can I say something? Can I say something?

Can I say something? Yes. Can I say something please real quick? Yeah. Before you even start, before you name all the young bulls, before you name all the young bulls. He's top five.

You said he's top five. Let me finish. Okay. My top five still, and then you can pick whoever you want, is still Devontae Adams, still number one, Stephon D still, and then you can pick whoever you want, is still Devontae Adams still number one, Stephon Diggs, and then goddamn Keenan Allen, and then everybody else comes along.

This is what I don't like. Wait, let me finish, y'all. I'm going to let you go. This is what I don't like. When things don't go well for the ones who are already in place, and statistically, when things don't go well for them, all of a sudden, all the young bulls just overlap them automatically when the teams that they're on aren't using them right, whether it be the quarterback situation,

whether it be teams allowing them to dictate what we want to do, what some of our best players are in the offensive weapons. So to me, to me, you're basing everything off statistics, and I know what them boys can still do. Well, how the hell am I supposed to base it on? Tell me what I'm supposed to base a receiver play on. I'm telling you why it's like that. Chase, CeeDee Lamb,

Justin Jefferson, them motherfuckers is all goddamn world. They are the motherfucking shit. So you taking Stephon Diggs over them? Based on his body of work throughout all the years. This ain't no body of work. This will update your resume. This is a year-to-year thing.

Wait a minute. It's a year-to-year thing? You acting like he has some shitty goddamn season or something. Did he have a better year than Justin Jefferson, Tyreek Hill, C.D. Lamb, Jamar Chase, Mike Evans? Is it simple yes or no? You know, my answer's not changing regardless. I don't care if your answer changes.

All I'm asking you is that you talk about body of work. This is not when he's going into the Hall of Fame. This is about the 2020. I'm not talking about Hall of Fame. I'm just talking about for me, for me, I'm thinking about the body of work that he's done from start to finish. Now, I know players might have had a better. Start to finish to what?

Okay, we started from this year, from 2023 to the end of 2023. We're not talking about 21. We're not talking about 22. Why you... Do you see what you're doing? You see what you're doing? You're saying statistically because he didn't have a good season like some of the others you just named,

that means he's not in the top five no more. That's not... That's how it works you know companies companies companies might have in 2023 you might have five companies that were on the fortune 500 okay they drop off you can't say what they was on the fortune 500 in 2019 2020 i'll give you another example on the world's richest people that was in the world's richest the top five richest people in 2022 they might not be that in 23 they might that and be but you can't say because of their body

of work they get to stay there Ocho it's what I see you see how we just talked about about how a team will allow offense to take away your best threat your best offense a weapon then we get into conversations like this and you don't think that weapon is still elite anymore because their numbers aren't like somebody

else that was force fed the ball and had a better season oh like that man oh you see what i'm saying i don't i don't i don't i don't i don't like that now everybody you name it hey i can break down offense on them because them them boys are legit i just don't like the fact that, okay, you know what? These young bulls have had a better season than Stephon Diggs. Now, all of a sudden, he drops out of the goddamn top five because he didn't have a good season. That's how it works. No, it's not how it works. That's not how it works.

I'm confused. I have a question. So, everybody you just named is better than Devontae Adams? Devontae Adams don't get the hold on. Everybody that you just named is better than Devontae Adams? Devontae Adams don't get the hold on. Everybody that you just named is better than Devontae Adams? In 2023, they were, yes. Oh, man, shit.

Man, you tripping. The numbers speak for it. You tripping. So you think everybody that you just named is better than Devontae Adams because their numbers say it? I'm saying based on 2023, this is an update your resume. This is not

a lifetime achievement. Let's be realistic. Let's put the numbers aside. Everyone you just named, do you really think they're better than Devontae Emmanuel Adams that plays for the Las Vegas Raiders? You could say Samuel Adams. You could say Adam and Eve.

You could say Devontae Adams. Based on 2023 stats, those guys had better seasons. Ocho. Devontae. Ocho. I love you to death. I love Devontae. But ain't nobody better than Devontae Adams.

Ain't nobody better than Devontae Adams. Ocho, you don't get to hold on to that ranking just because you've had great seasons. That's the one thing that we love about sports. It's an update your resume. This is so unfair. This is so unfair. By the rules you have to play and understand.

That's how we learn. Let me just say it with me now. And Devontae's middle name is LaVell. I know. I made that shit up. I just made that shit up. Hey, but listen. Why you laughing?

I just made that shit up. Hey, but listen. Who was Tay Adams over there in Las Vegas? Who was his quarterback? Oh, man. He had Jimmy Garoppolo. Keep going. He had Jimmy Garoppolo. He had aiden o'connell i think i think that was the last quarterback

you know it's it's this is why i hate ranking players justin jefferson jamar chase kenan allen stefan diggs mike evans um cd lamb stay with me a little bit, baby. Stay with me real quick. I'm just... Tyreek. Oh, listen. Tyreek is in the class of his own. Tyreek is in the class of... I know I said Devontae Adams. Listen, you know how much I love Devontae.

Goddamn motherfucker brought me to tears watching his routes. Tyreek is in the class of his own. But all those dudes are worthy of being within the top five. That's why I hate when we use stats because you have to. Yes. Because of what we're in. But I look at it from a skill point and understanding what they can do on the field.

Now, some of the things that they're not in control of is how many times they get the ball, the targets, the receptions, the touchdown. But I know what they can do from a standpoint of being that I played the game of receiver and I know they still got it. And there's some things that are out of their hands and out of their control. That's why I'm so passionate when it comes to talking about them boys. Yeah. I get what you're saying, though. I'm not saying that Devontae Adams dropped off a cliff, but I'm just saying, he still,

but you got to go by what we see. We don't get to say, yeah, we don't get to say, well, this guy's a top five back, even though they got 12, they got 10 guys that rushed for more yards, had a better yard per carry.

But I remember two years ago, the dude ran for 12,000 yards. No, we can't do that. That's the only thing, that's the numbers game that do that. That's the only thing that that's the, that's, that's the numbers game that we have. That's the only thing we can evaluate it on. Right.

But I just, I, and I, I just, I dive a little bit deeper. I dive, I like to dive a little bit deeper and understanding what these interviews individuals can still do.

And because of things offensively, because most of everything is out of their control. Everything is out of control. Well, you plan to pin the position. you're in a dependent position. The wire is in a dependent position. Exactly. And it frustrates me when we have topics or we have conversations

like this and I have to find ways to around the stats to tell you why they are still who they are. Because they're so reliant on everybody else. But you remember... I hate that.

This is where I'm going to push back. You remember when D-Hop had seven, eight quarterbacks and he was still a first-team all-pro. It didn't matter. They were feeding him. They were feeding him, too. He go get it. Hey, go at D-Hop with Ian.

It didn't matter. Hey, listen. Sister Rosa Mary could have been that quarterback when DeHoff was in Houston. He was going to eat. He getting open with everything. Right. Animal. But do you see what they did? Yeah.

Rock. They kept feeding the rock. They didn't allow anybody to dictate whether we, whether he can get the ball or not. They moved him around. Well, you got to have that, Ochoa. But I think sometimes, like, as a wide receiver, man, you get so frustrated. You're running like, I can imagine

Devontae running a crisp-ass route and the ball ain't even nobody looking inside or they done sailed it out of bounds. They done skipped it in the dirt. Man, do you know how frustrating it is? Because it's already hard to beat a guy. Now I win clean.

I can sense his frustration throughout the season. I could sense his body language throughout the season, but he can't say nothing because he got that C on his chest. Yes. Yes. He knows there's more expected and demanded of him and I love the way he conducts himself.

Yeah. I mean, you're going to have some frustration like, damn, you know, you're going to have some of that. Right. But if, if you just watch him, every route is run with the same tenacity. He still try. Hey, he's still trying to fight from scratch for yards run after the catch. But I just think that that, I just think that what did Devontae finish up with this year?

Because, I mean, you look at what he started with, Jimmy G, and then he had Aiden O'Connell, De'Brien, who are you even taking? Did somebody take some time? Or was it just him? Just O'Connell and Dylan G.

So what did Devontae end up with? Did he end up with 1,000? 11-44. Man, man, you know 1144 Devontae said man I'm supposed to have that with 10 games yeah easily

easily even his first year there when he signed that big contract now we know what he did with Aaron Rodgers that goes without saying I mean he was a 14-16 touchdown game 14-16 yeah yeah he was getting out of bed.

But that's the difference. When you get out of bed and you already know, get off the bus, Ocho. I got 12 targets. Easy. Now, y'all mess around, I get 17 targets thrown my way. But I already know I'm getting off the bus. I'm bringing my bag. I got 12 targets coming my way.

I don't give a damn what y'all do. Right. Y'all mess around and blow a couple of coverages, I got 17 coming my way. I don't give a damn what y'all do. Right. Y'all mess around and blow a couple of coverages. I got 17 coming my way. Yeah. And I get what you're saying. I understand because the wide receiver is a dependent position. I don't care how great you are.

Now, it helps. But if the guy can't get you to ball consistently, what are we doing here? And then, so that takes me right back, though. Now, this takes me right back. Chat, y'all stay with me chat this takes me back to the stephan dig conversation right yeah and in the lapses in production throughout a number of games first five weeks honey yards honey yards honey yards honey yards honey yards yep yep the rest of that what do they what do they do offensively in buffalo allow team to dictate you know what we taking 14 out the game we don't care y'all gonna have to beat us with gabe davis

y'all gonna have to beat us with the running back y'all gonna have to beat us with the tight end they allow team to dictate whether he can and can't get the ball when d hopper was using you know what you know what the texans said hell you don't we don't give a fuck what you do we gonna find a way to move around and make sure because he is our best offensive weapon and we're going to utilize him

in every way we can. Why can't they do that in Buffalo? Because then when you don't, then we have conversations like this. Then you have Diggs upset, frustrated

on the sideline because we come and have conversations like this in the offseason and think that he's fallen off or he's not in the top five when some of the things are out of his control. True. True.

I mean, but he played... God damn, I like this conversation. Shit! Okay, our poll right now, best receiver in the league right now, Tyree got 56%. Justin Jefferson got 23%. Devontae got 18%. Stephon Diggs got 56%. Justin Jefferson got 23%.

Devontae got 18%. Stephon Diggs got 3%. Right. How the hell you left off Jabbar Chase? Yeah, how you left off Chase? But listen, this is... We only got four options, though, Troy. It's not like...

This is the thing. This is the thing when it comes to football fans. Okay. Or I'm not going to say the casual fan because I'm sure everybody in the chat is really a football fan and been watching the game for years. But anytime something new comes along, anytime something new comes along, new pretty little shiny toy, oh, that's my favorite now. Oh, that's my

favorite. What I never forget, and I will never forget, again, you told me not to lean on this because you have to update your resume. I would never forget the body of working with some of these individuals that are a little bit older have done in NFL, which is why I always named Keenan, Stefan Diggs and Devante first. And then I talk about the young bulls that's cutting up now. Oh, when I speak on Tyreek, Tyreek is in his own fucking class. You know, you've heard me say it before. He's a fucking alien. He's not human. He's in his own class and going to continue to break records. He's going to continue to break records

as long as he's with the Dolphins and he has two ads as quarterback. But I would just remember, and what's he called? If you remember, Devontae had 1,500 yards with Derrick Carr. Yeah. Yeah. And I get it.

How do you let Carr walk? What are we doing? Well, you don't love somebody. You know what I'm saying? I mean, nobody really embraced Carr. I mean, you look at John Gruden. He was constantly yelling and snarling at him. And you know Josh McDaniels. He coaches hard because he thinks everybody's paid, man, and you can coach everybody.

Does coaching understand? Right. It requires you to evolve the way you coach each individual player you can't blanket statement yelling everybody some guys you got to give a pep talk some guys you can yell at some guys you got to be funny with facetious with i mean that's that's the part of coaching but everybody just well well i if i coach tom brady like this why can't because he's not tom brady Everybody's not wired the same. But everybody wants it. And they keep saying I coach everybody the same. No.

Yeah. I mean, that's that's what makes some of the greatest coaches that are in the NFL. Understanding your player, being self-aware on how to coach each player. And you can't coach them all the same. You can't talk to them all the same. Some players, you say certain shit, they'll cut your ass out. I'm a grown goddamn man yeah so i mean it's always a listen as a coach it's all about being self-aware understanding who you can who you can talk to like that and you say the wrong thing sometimes they shut down you say the right thing sometimes it gives motivation i don't know you treat them all fair you don't treat them all the same

and you won't run into problems but it's I mean look this the era this the golden era I mean look the league is different now but it's the golden era of the receiver and the quarterback most definitely most definitely damn I like that combo man that was good

shit hey whatever happened to your boy Chase Claypool? You remember you said he was going to be different when he was in Miami. Oh, yeah, I fight, but I fucking love Chase. I fucking love Chase. Chase reminds me like a Brandon Marshall. You talking about a Chase Lounge? Huh?

A Chase Lounge? No, I'm talking about Chase Claypool from Pittsburgh. But listen, it's all about opportunities. Getting the opportunity to be able to showcase what you can do. You know, the situation has been unfortunate. It was unfortunate, obviously, getting the opportunity to be able to showcase what you can do. You know, the situation has been unfortunate. It was unfortunate, obviously, with the Bears. It was unfortunate with the Steelers down in Miami. Listen, you know what they got in Miami.

They ain't got no slouches now. They ain't got no slouches. So he has to find a way to fit in when he gets his opportunities to make the most of them. He's still there, right? He's still there, right? I guess. But that's the thing, though, Ocho. Listen, when you start out, especially you starting out,

you're not a high draft pick. Right, right, right. Man, you're not going to get those opportunities. But when the opportunities come, you got to catch them. Yeah, you got to make it. Because you the odd man out already to begin with. He dropped down. Hey, let's go back to Tyreek.

Let's go back to Waddle. Let's go back to the other guys. Now, you really ain't going to be. You out there just getting cardio in. You out there just practicing on your route running. Right, you really ain't going to be, you out there just getting cardio in. You out there just running, practicing on your route running. Right, right. They're not going to give you no routes.

Yeah. And you know what? It all started in practice. It all started in practice. I'm not sure. I'm sure people are going to see this. NFL players be watching the show because they be hitting the line,

talking to me. Oh, I want to get more time. I can do this. I can do that. You know where it started? It started in practice. It started in practice and cutting a fool and practicing always being open 24 7 the eye in the sky ain't gonna lie because when coaches watch film and they see you on film well hell this is somebody we can count on your number one quarterback sees this listen we need to find a way to get him

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And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask... I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Kenan Allen had a very blunt explanation for why the Chargers eventually traded him

to the Bears. Let's take a listen to what Keenan had to say. Here's the sound. When a team asks you to restructure a deal after you've been with them for so long, what are the emotions that go through your head? And do you need to push those out and then make a business decision? Yeah. I mean, it really was no emotion.

It was, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. Came off my best season, so it's not happening. Short and sweet. I ain't need to say nothing else. Man, stop trying me. Don't play with my talk. What you mean?

You want me to take a pay cut and I just had my best season? Best season? For who? No, I don't do that. They always talk about loyalty. Ah, I mean, child, please. Hey, Keenan, I know you're going to see this, but I'm standing with you, too. Oh, sure.

Boy, you one of the best rock runners they ever got. Damn, lace them up, man. Boy, you ever seen Keenan Allen run routes? Oh, yeah, for sure. Absolutely. You talk about somebody can put them up and put them down? Huh? He'll take you left and bring you back right. Well, that's the fun, huh? When they say loyalty,

Ocho, you know what I tell them? I'm the most loyal person money could buy. I don't know what y'all talking about. Listen, you know my favorite phrase. Loyalty is nothing but a word in the dictionary between opportunity

and convenience. Yes. That's it. That's all it is. And I know we're on the football topic. Fellas, ladies that go for y'all too,

fellas understand, women always screaming that loyal, oh, I'm so loyal, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. As long as there's an opportunity and the opportunity

is convenient, who the fuck ain't going to be loyal? But anyway, back to goddamn football. Hey, San Diego Chargers, LA Chargers, don't ever try anything like that. You already lost Mike Williams. You lost Mike Williams.

You let him go. Now you're telling your best rock runner that just had his best season statistically to take a goddamn pay cut shouldn't me yeah they lying all right jim harbaugh wait is it jim jim jonathan baltimore okay yeah jim jim don't don't play my dog like that shoot that was jim's call too jim run the show are you for sure yeah jim run the show now a lot of them guys had to take pay pay cuts. I think Khalil Mack had to take a pay cut to stay. I think Joey Bosa had to take a pay cut to stay.

And I think they said, yeah, they did. And you know what I think they did? They think they slicked. They probably didn't take no pay cut. You know what they did? They took some of the money on the back end and pushed it up forward and put it into a signing bonus. So they probably didn't really restructure nothing. Well, hey, don't worry about it.

Ask the 49ers about tinkering with the books and don't have it right. You lose draft picks. You better have, because when the NFL come in there, Keenan Allen had 150 targets. He had 108 catches, 1,243 yards, seven touchdowns. So this was one of his best seasons. He had a career high in catches the

second most uh receiving yards of his career and the second most touchdowns of his career so when he says statistically he had his best season with the exception of uh yards and and touchdowns he did he had the most catches of his career the second most yards second most touchdowns, he did. He had the most casual of his career, the second most yards, second most touchdowns. So I can understand why him not wanting to take a pay cut because I can see, you know what, if I play, if I, you know, caught 70 balls, okay, you know what, I'm making 13, 14 mil. I can see that. I don't mean I have to, but I have to weigh the landscape. Oh, Joe, if I take a pay cut for what they're giving,

if they say, okay, 14 of the Lord's feet for our blood, we can do somewhere around 10. We'll give you an opportunity to make it around 11, make it around 12, but we need to knock some money off this. Now, I got to weigh the landscape. Is there somewhere else I can go to

get this? Right. Yeah, well, he found it. this. He found it. You know what I would do? I wish for God. Chicago Bears, anybody in the Bears organization, if you see this, I'd pay money when it comes to training camp. I'd pay money to see the one-on-ones with

Jalen Johnson and Keenan Allen. I'd pay money for that, man. You remember the and-one mixtapes? There are two people. Is it Hot Sauce, man. You remember the and one mixtapes? Yeah. There are two people. Is it Hot Sauce, the one that had the crossover? There are two receivers in the history of the NFL

that run their routes and get off the line like they're playing basketball. Stevie Johnson and Keenan Allen. And I ain't never seen nobody else do it like that. The exact same movement like they're doing a crossover and

will route your ass up and still get open within the timing of the offense. That shit is a sight to see, man. Jesus Christ. Yeah, I mean, but you put Keenan in that slot.

Oh, that's right. He got a two-way go. You know he's going to start you on that drive. Sit down and come back. You know he's going to start you on that drive. Yep. Sit down and come back out. Or he's going to whip you. He's going to start out and then come back in.

He's going to hop. Yeah. Hit you with that handsy. Yeah. He's nice. Yeah, man. He's nice with it. Congrats to Keenan.

Back to Devontae. And people say, people say what davante left a hall of fame quarterback in aaron rogers and he didn't he uh looked at um jordan love look what jordan love became but you do understand he's making 27 28 million dollars a year 27 million now in green bay i don't know what the state tax is. Is there state tax in Wisconsin? Because now there ain't no state taxes in Vegas. So that's 6% to 12%. So that's somewhere now he's putting a pocket in $2.5 million, $3 billion in his pocket

that would have been going to the state for taxes. So over the life of that contract, he's going to hold on to $15 million. I like that. I like15 million. I like that. I like it, too. I like that. I'm thinking about getting up out of here. I'm packing my bags as we speak.

Ash, give me the evil eye. Where are you going to go? You're going to move? You're talking about you just going to Vegas? Yeah, man. I got to go. I think I'm going to get up out of here. 14% state taxes.

I got to, hey. Wait, wait. If you worry about not paying state tax, you might as well come down here to Florida. Nah, I ain't coming down to Florida. Why would you go to Vegas when you can come to Miami when... I need to be close to Cali. Why, what's in Cali? Oh, you got...

Oh, I know what you mean. You got something in Cali, huh? No, but you do realize, like, club shea shea and shooting gas is easy for me to just jump on a plane and get a 35-minute flight. Okay, my bad. I thought you were talking about a woman. My bad. Hey, listen, I know somebody because you've been

blessed lately. He in the 7% bracket. He in the 7% bracket. So 10% would have been 2.7. You're making $27 million. He is 7%, so he's probably pocketing

2.7, so half of that is 1.35 plus 2. So he's probably pocketing 1.5 million. 1.7 million. You can live with that. Just think about that. Somebody will cut you. So that's basically at the end of the year,

Ocho, this is here. Here's the extra 1.7 million to what you made. Mmm. I like it. See, when you put it like that, you're like, damn. Yeah. You're like, damn. When you put it like that, everything comes full circle and it makes sense.

It makes sense. Matter of fact, hey. You know how many diamonds I can buy with that thing, O with what is your 1.7 now you're talking now you're talking hey anybody hey hey what jalen johnson from you know what jalen johnson from? You know where Jalen Johnson from? Chat, anybody know where Jalen Johnson from? I don't. Yeah. Hey, chat, y'all send Jalen Johnson a message for me on Twitter. Tell him when he's ready to get some work in. I'm going to show him how to earn that paycheck before the season even starts.

See if he can cover me. Oh, Joe, but here's the thing. This is where I like him. That's my little nephew, too. Oh, Johnson? Yeah, that's my dog. Yeah, little Jalen. Shit, I raised him.

I raised him. I used to babysit him, but I used to babysit him. Well, damn, you should know where he from then. Nah, I didn't... He moved. He just got paid.

You know he ain't in the same place no more. Oh, okay. My bad. The problem that I have with teams, Ocho, is that when I want to come in and renegotiate my deal, you say, well, you signed the contract. But when they go in here and take me to make a pay cut,

when they want me to take a pay cut or release me, I ain't signed no contract. Well, damn, my name on that contract that you said I couldn't renegotiate up but you can right yeah that's about that's my only thing i ain't never held out for no more money well i mean when i held out in 92 i didn't have a contract and they offered me i mean i was making i went made from 60s i mean 74 they offered me 125 right like damn that's still that's like 50 plus thousand more than what i made my age like nah

we can get more with the 200 nah we can get more i was like i don't know man damn 200 000 bro yeah he's like nah then with the 225 it's like hey i think we can squeeze another i think we could squeeze another 50 to 75 i say later for you man i, man. I showed up to camp with no contract. You showed up anyway? I showed up anyway, man. Hey, I need that money. I haven't got that call.

I had one on the way. Another one coming. What you talking? You ain't got time to play now. Hell no. Not when you get that phone call. Hell to the no. Oh, shit. Ocho, Kenny Pickett says he's confident in the way he handled the Russell

Wilson situation. Let's take a listen to what Kenny had to say. Yeah, I think the communication, you know, is what it is. It's behind closed doors. I'm confident in the way that I handled it. I handled it the way I should have handled it. I'm excited to be here. It worked out so well that Philly was the place I ended up landing in.

So I think everything happens for a reason, and I'm right where I'm supposed to be. Okay. Ocho, what do you think about that situation i mean it for me if i was a quarterback like i like i like kenny pickett i like kenny pickett i had an opportunity to meet him um at a madden event i was doing where all the rookies were getting their um their rookie ratings and he was cool as hell man cool as hell rated him too high whatever you gave him it was too high nah listen i ain't finna disrespect mr pickett like that but you know i i i hate that

things didn't work out i hate that things didn't work out but obviously with big ben leaving and you already know those are big shoes to fill as far as consistency is concerned a super bowl winning quarterback and if you're drafting someone as a successor to goddamn Big Ben, you're expecting him to pick up what Big Ben left off. And it just didn't pan out the way it should have, especially from an offensive perspective. The identity went from it being their offense as it once was, where the identity went flip back to the defense.

And until they get the quarterback situation figured out, this Pittsburgh Steelers will be back to, I don't know the word to use, because their identity had been their offense for so long with Le'Veon and- Yeah, they changed. They were no longer a defensive team. They were a Ben-led team. You know, when they had Ben and A.B.

and a lot of those other wide receivers, you know, they had Emmanuel Sanders. They a lot of those other wide receivers, you know, they had Emmanuel Sanders. They had Martavius Bryant. They had Mike. What was Mike? Mike Wallace. You know, you see, you could see the transition starting to happen. They had become more relied on Ben throwing this football around and the defense kind of taking a step back because a lot of their money was on that side of the football. But I think now Mike Tomlin

wants to get back to what they were when they won that Super Bowl, although they had started the transition then. Right. The first been Super Bowl, there were defense they still could get after you, but when they went back

and lost to Green Bay, you could start to see the little shift. Shift a little bit, right. As far as from a defense to an offensive-based team, and then after that, it was all offense. Ben was spreading the ball around, throwing for, you know, 4,000,

5,000 yards routinely. A.B. leading the league in catches up there in yards. So we can see where they were, but I think they want to get back to running the football, playing to their strength, which is their defense. You know, you got T.J. Watt. You got Highsmith.

Patrick Quinn now. You got Patrick Quinn. Yeah, you got Minka Fitzpatrick. You got Joey Porter Jr. on one side. I like him. I like him. Matter of fact. You got Joey Porter Jr. on one side. I like him. I like him. Matter of fact, anybody know Joey Porter Jr.? Let him know I want that work with his ass too in the offseason.

Don't run. I'm going to do it like I used to do your daddy. Oh, Lord have mercy. Yeah. Hey, boy, I used to fuck Joey Porter up. Yeah. I believe you. Yeah.

No bullshit, bro. Come out there with your son rolled up. I don't know if you've seen this. I didn't see it, so whatever it is, I'm excited. Fans roast Texans' new uniforms. Houston, Texas showed off their new roll uniforms after Reddit leaked, and Cal McNair confirmed the team's new away look after a photo leaked online. NFL fans roasted the new threads.

How much do players actually care about the uniform aesthetics? Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. I think players care a little bit. A little bit. A little bit. Because uniform is uniform. Skilled players care a lot. Offensive linemen don't give a damn.

Yeah, yeah. Offensive linemen, they can care less. But if they were... Let me see. If I think about offensive lineman that would care about the uniform, I can give you three. Aaron Donald cares about his uniform. That's a D lineman. Yeah, Trent, okay, I'm just saying, big boy. Okay, okay, okay. Hey, Trent Williams cares about his uniform.

And what's the D tackle from the Patriots? Be dressing his motherfucking ass off. He's wearing a M-90. Oh, Godchild. Yeah, he cares about his uniform. You can tell by the way they dress, not off the field, I'm talking about on the field. Off the field, all of them, I mean, A.D.,

Red Threads, Big Trent, B.L.B. Down, Godchild, I think that's how you say his name. He's that fashion shows in Paris and the Milan. Yeah. And them boys don't play. Yeah.

But I think the field position care the most. Quarterback, I don't think quarterback give a damn. But the running backs and the receivers

are the worst. Yeah. They really care about the uniform. So whatever uniform we do have, they will find a way to look the best they can

with their own swag or drip, as we call it. Well, yeah. Yeah, I think quarterbacks, for the most part, they built bad anyway, so anything will look terrible. Anything will look terrible on them, so it is what it is. Yeah, but, you, but obviously the wide receivers and the running backs, the DBs, linebackers.

DBs really kill. Yeah. You look good, you play good. Yeah. Because, you know, we used to come out there in pregame, have our socks rolled down. We all greased up. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you would have did a push-up.

Yeah, yeah. greased up. You know what I'm saying? You know, yeah, you done did the push-ups. I done got the thing. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. And so, you know, I have everything. Because back, you know, I need my money back. Because all that money that y'all find me and A.G., Aaron Glenn, he and I was like every week, hey, A.G., man, they got you.

Yeah, Sharp, they got me too. $5,000. You play with A.G.? Yeah, A.G. was, was yeah i'm older than ag but he was in the league when i played yes yeah i ag covered me when he when he was uh with the jets or with houston i think maybe either with houston was with the jet i went against ag a few times yeah and so uh you know anytime pocho they tackle you they expect me like oh man my sock down pull my sock up man Man, stop.

I play the football game. I ain't got time to be brushing dirt off me and pulling those socks up and tucking my jersey in. You know, the NFL fined you for that. You know that, right? Your socks being... Oh, so you know. They got me... Oh, yeah, they got me like that multiple times.

Remember when I played now? Remember we had to have black and white shoes. The basic shoe had to be black with the white lining. Here you go, my retarded ass. I had orange. Don't say the retarded word.

Just say a little slow. Okay, okay. I was on, my bad. God forgive me. If anybody in the chat, I apologize. Okay.

As slow as I was, I didn't follow the rules. You know, I had on orange cleats. I had on gold cleats, the Massimo, the Massimo grill at the time. I just took the fine. I ain't follow the rules. You know, I had on orange cleats. I had on gold cleats, the Massimo grill at the time. I just took the fine. I didn't even care.

Matter of fact, one of the reasons, this is funny, Unc, you probably don't know, chat, y'all probably don't know about this. I had been getting fined so much to a point, Unc. When I got to about year six, this is how Roger Goodell and I became so close. If I knew I was doing something, if I knew I was wearing the orange chin strap i

black chin strap as you can see some of the time i would send the fine money in i would beat the nfl to the punch before they could send the fine before they could send that fine letter on monday the check had already been sent out throughout the week yeah i had already paid the fine so there's no need to take it out of my check. And I think that pissed them off so much that I would pay the fine ahead of time because I knew, listen, I'm going to do something. I don't know what to do,

but I'm going to send you this money a little early just in case you don't have to waste your time sending no FedEx to Paul Brown Stadium. Yeah, I had my last couple of years, well, you can only have two colors. So you could have, like, I could have purple and black or I could have orange and blue. But that means orange and white. So I had you could you couldn't have three colors on your cleats.

So I had to take the tongue of my cleat because the tongue was red. It was orange when I was in Denver. And it was I think it was I think it was like white. But and you couldn't have lettering. You couldn't have like I had big play. I'm like, come on, man. Who looking down there in the hat? But you know, they got the uniform police out there.

You remember who your uniform police was? David Fulcher was mine. Remember David Fulcher? I do know Fulcher. Y'all play to get Fulcher. But you know how many fines I got? Because Fulcher, he had to write, he had to write it down. Yes.

Because this is a film and they see me wearing a stream of towel, wearing that long ass stream I had nothing to wear. Yeah. This is an orange cleats.

You know, sometimes depending on what our uniform was, I chained my chin strap to orange. Yeah. Wearing black. They won't let you do that

because I remember I used to have a blue, I used to have a blue chin strap and if you go back and look, my helmet is never, my helmet, They won't let you do that. I used to have a blue chin strap. If you go back and look, my helmet, two of my chin straps, the buck, the snaps,

are flabby. I always kept the right one loose. I kept both of mine loose. Oh, man. It was some days, man. David Fulcher cost me a lot of money, man. And no mouthpiece. I didn't wear a mouthpiece. Oh, hey, listen. I ain't wear a mouthpiece. Oh, hey, listen. I ain't wear no mouthpiece either because I can't talk.

That's what I'm saying. All that, you done had your hand in the dirt. You done snapped somebody upside the head and the ass. Good job, Panama to ask me. I'm going to take the mouthpiece out of my mouth. I wish I might because I got something to say. I didn't say it right then. I ain't got time to take no mouthpiece out. Sorry, mofo. All right, Sharp.

Ain't going to beat you with them old mofos. I said, well, you that one. I don't need you to be another one, but you that one. Boy, them was some fun days. Oh, yeah, yeah. I don't know if they let him talk like we used to talk. You think so? No.

You mean did anybody talk the way we talked back then? Yeah. Oh, hell no. Hell no. Oh, absolutely not. No, we have some we have some entertaining figures. We don't have an outgoing personality the way you and I were. I'm talking about outgoing leading up to the game in the game and understanding the pressure that comes with what you say. And everybody gunning for you. They trying to hurt you. They trying to knock your head off.

But you still go out there and produce at the same time. We don't have that. We have some good dudes that are really, really good at their craft. They just don't have that dynamic personality to go with it. Now, if they were to add that sauce and that personality to their game, oh, my goodness. They won't let you. They're not going to let you play like that, Ocho. Man, listen, during this time in this social media area,

if you add that dynamic personality to it, oh, my goodness. Boy, it'd be crazy. They're not, Ocho, they're not going to let you play because back then, you know, you say some guys really try to take your head off. So, you know what I'm saying? Even if you weren't getting the ball, Ocho, you know back then, when you didn't get the ball, you didn't have to get the ball.

Guys will buzz by you and peep in your dome. And let you know. Yes. And they will let you know. Yeah. Yes. But now, yeah, they done took the intimidation to talk a part of it. So I don't really know how much they talk anymore.

But it's a different game. But the guys are playing at an extremely high level. I still love watching them play. I don't care if they hit or not hit. It is what it is. So you got to play with the rules that governs you at the time in which you play. So we had the rules that we had. I'm sure the people in the 70s say, man, y'all don't even play football no more.

And then people in the 50s and 60s said the same thing about the guys in the 70s and 80s. And the guys in the 80s and 90s said the same thing about the guys in the 2000s and beyond. So it is what it is. Yeah, the game is changing. And you know, it's funny, you know, the fact that, you know, I work inside the NFL. So when you speak about the talking they still talk they do because i get to hear all the wired up stuff okay yeah it ain't the same though they do talk they got their mac crosby oh yeah yeah yeah yeah i met him i met him i met him at the bowl i met him at the uh superbowl this year i like him yeah i like him a lot yeah i like him a lot. Yeah, I like him a lot. I don't know if you played against him.

Jared Allen. Yeah. You remember Jared Allen? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He reminded me a lot of him. Yeah. Goddamn.

Matt Crosby. It just is. Patrick McQueen. Oh, my God. Patrick McQueen. Why do you keep saying McQueen? Patrick McQueen. Steve Mc God. Patrick Quinn. Why do you keep saying McQueen? Patrick Queen. Steve McQueen.

Alexander. Okay. That's why. Yeah. He talk. Rohan, Rokron Smith. Yeah. He talk.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Hey, oh man. They, they, they wired up. I'm somebody it's funny. There's some of the other players that always wired up. It's always that, that politically correct talk because they know they mic'd up. Yeah, you know what, you don't say yeah.

We ain't mic'd up. We mowed forward in SOB in the whole while. Because we don't want to bleep everything. Bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep. Listen, oh man, the mic'd up days were so fun, man. I'm out there talking about everything.

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