Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Caleb Williams shaky rookie season, Pierce done in Vegas?, St. Brown Prada Suits

Episode Date: December 17, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Sam Darnold and the Minnesota Vikings taking care of business against Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears on Monday Night Football and dive into rookie QB Caleb Williams still has a lot of growing to do after a disastrous rookie season. Later, Unc and Ocho debate if the Las Vegas Raiders should hold on to Antonio Pierce or move on next season, Detroit Lions’ Amon Ra St Brown bought Prada suits for the entire Lions receiver room and much more!03:13 - Show Start03:30 - Intro05:30 - Bears vs Vikings39:30 - Falcons vs Raiders59:50 - St Brown x Prada Suits1:10:12 - Bengals x Playoffs(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Lions beat them early in the year. The Vikings traveled to Detroit. The injuries are going to be very, very interesting. The Lions beat them early in the year. The Vikings traveled to Detroit. The injuries are starting to mount. They had 13 players already on the defensive side of football, already on IR. Two more go on IR. McNeil, the great defensive tackle they got. Carlton Davis III, he's currently on IR now.

So now that makes it 15. The injuries are starting to mount. So that's going to be a very interesting game. And if I'm not mistaken, they played the last game of the season. But the Vikings beat the Bears and moved 30-12, moved to 12-2 within striking distance of the Detroit Lions. And remember, like I said, Detroit kicked the field goal early in the year to beat Minnesota in Minnesota.

Total yards, the Bears had 28 283 the Vikings had 329 total rush yards Bears was 112 Vikings were 114 Caleb Williams was 18 of 31 191 one touchdown zero interceptions and Sam Donald was 24 42 31 one touchdown one interception

like I said guys Ocho is having some technical difficulties so but we wanted to get this thing on the road. But when you watch this game, Minnesota looks really good. And I think because Detroit has played so well for such a long time, people have kind of put Minnesota, kind of put Minnesota, kind of put Green Bay kind of on the back burner. But if you watch them throughout the entirety of the season,

they're a very good team. They bring a lot of pressure. They can get to your quarterback. Green Bay, we saw Green Bay last night against Seattle, and Seattle had been playing really well. But I think those are two teams, clearly all three teams in the NFC North, they're four teams, but the Bears are not going anywhere, not with that record.

They're 4-10 with three games remaining. So the best they can do is 7-10. But Minnesota 12-2, Detroit 12-2. I think the Packers are 10-4. So those three teams are going to have a very, very strong presence in the playoffs. But I like what I saw from Minnesota. The Bears have got to do a better job of starting.

They just start entirely too slow. They're giving teams 10, 13, 17-point leads, and then they try to work their way back late in the ballgame, and they're not a good enough football team to overcome those slow starts. So they're going to have to do a better job. I don't know if it's scripting plays. I don't know what's going on. But if you look at them, they've done a very poor job of starting ballgames.

And when you start ballgames like that, and when you start with a rookie quarterback and you're not – and you're uh your talent i mean they have some skill position players offensive line is not the greatest but i do think caleb williams holds on to the ball entirely too long um there are some plays that he had that were made he had roma dunes right over the middle and he he went away from him and i don't know why he would do something like that because clearly he's not comfortable just yet of making the right decisions and letting the football go on cue and on rhythm. And so he's going to have to get better on that,

but give him some time. He is a rookie. There's a big difference between being a rookie quarterback and being a vet in college. Obviously he can make plays off script in college, but those don't happen very often in the NFL. You're not trying to make a living making plays like that. But Minnesota looked really good.

And with the injuries that Detroit is having, they're vulnerable. They're very, very vulnerable. I think Philly is 12-2 also, right? They've only, very vulnerable. I think Philly is 12-2 also, right? They've only lost two games. Yeah, Philly is 12-2 also. And so when you look at that, you got Minnesota at 12-2. You got Detroit at 12-2. You got the Eagles at 12-2.

And if you say put some money down, that matters to you, who you think – who I think the best team in the NFC is. I would say the Eagles, based on their defense at that front line. And as much as, you know, been speculation about happy, who's happy, who's not happy, seemingly bickering on the sidelines every single week. I still, based on what I've seen from the Eagles, based on what I've seen from Detroit, now the injuries start to mount and their defense is compromised. I think the Eagles are the best team in the NFC.

I think Minnesota is going to be, I think Minnesota going to give Detroit all they can handle. And at the end of the day, it comes down to, it's not who's playing, who's healthiest, who's the healthiest team and who's playing the best? But it's Minnesota had to be pleased with what they did tonight. They beat a division rival. You know, it's very tough to beat division rivals. Chicago, Minnesota, there's no love lost, but Minnesota dominated this ball game. And you saw that in the score.

You saw that everywhere. They just did a great job of handling their business and taking care of business. That's what you expect of a team that's uh 12 and 2 uh this game the Minnesota and Chicago Minnesota wins the game 30 to 12 Minnesota moves to 12 and 2 tied with Detroit and Philly with the best record in the NFC uh Chicago falls to 4 and minnesota wins 30 to 12 what'd you like about what you saw um listen tonight's game minnesota obviously looked very good very good what sam donald's been able to do you know for the viking with jd mccarthy going out being able to most of the time you think about backup quarterbacks your backup he's a backup for a reason for him to come in and make them almost

a super a super bowl contender only losing two games this season he's been very good offensively he's really played himself into another big deal i'm not talking 50 million dollar quarterback type money i'm talking about you know your baker mayfield you know three three for 40 something something like that and he's giving that he's giving them a chance. And there's a good chance he does come back. He does come back there on something small based on what they've seen, the small semis they've seen this year. He's played very well. And again tonight, he's done the same thing.

Jordan Addison, Justin Jefferson. I can't think of the title. PJ Hawkins. Hawkins. Hawkinson, looking good. And he just looked good. Goddamn, on the other end of the spectrum, Caleb Williams, I don't know if it's a play calling. He has all the weapons.

He has all the weapons he needs to succeed. I don't know if it's a play calling or not, but maybe his decision making, getting the ball out a little faster. I mean, the offensive coordinator would basically know Caleb Williams' strengths and his weaknesses. I'm not sure if the play calling is to Caleb Williams' best strengths. He does need to start fast, like you said earlier. Just they're not good enough to be able to play from behind.

So they need to do all the things right, possibly that they can in the beginning to at least compete with other teams because they're not that bad. No, they're bad. They just, no, no, no,

no. They're not that bad because obviously any, every team is a quarterback away. You look at what Jaden Daniels has done for the commanders. You look at some, look what Sam Donald has done when he's, when he has the right supporting cast around him, outside of when he was with New York, outside of when he was with Carolina,

and look what he's done in Minnesota. I think for Caleb Williams, it's the same thing because you have the right supporting cast around you to be able to succeed. There's just something missing. There's just something missing. Maybe as a rookie, maybe being a rookie, your decision making isn't what it should be.

Maybe it's the play calling. It's just something that's off because you have the pieces around you to be able to succeed and it's just not happening the way it should be. Now, I don't know what it can be, but there's a reason he was a number one pick. There's a reason. He's good. He's a really good quarterback based on what we've seen so far. Just in NFL, as a rookie, it hasn't been what it should be. And it shouldn't be like that as good as he is. I just think it's pre-snap. He just got to get a better job of pre-snap. He's got to be going to do a better job

of processing and letting the football go. Like I said, there were situations that he had receivers open and for whatever reason, his eyes went elsewhere. That's not play calling. If I call a player and i got a guy open if your number one receiver your number one read is open i don't know why you would go to two without giving one a chance and there was there were plays like that tonight there were plays

that'll be had and sometimes i think he like look he likes playing uh i think one of his one of his strengths is is that he's he's very good at improvisation he's very good at playing off script but that's not how you want to try to make a living. Now, it's nice to have that in your back pocket. You see guys like a Lamar. You see guys like a Mahomes. You see guys like a Josh Allen be able to make plays off script. But that's not how you want to live.

You want to be able to go through process information very rapidly. One, two, three, check it down, throw it away. That's how you have to do it. that's the only way to be successful you're not going to make a living in this league continuously making plays off script it's just it's just too difficult for you to do and so at some point in time maybe it's play calling but we see a situation when they fall behind but i know what happens when you fall behind you can throw caution to the wind it's easy for you to lay free because you're already behind by 21 points so who cares if you fall behind by 28 31 or whatever the case may be but at some point in time they're gonna have to do a better job of starting because they do not have the team that's well enough that's equipped

to overcome 14 17 point deficit and so that's it in and of itself. Give yourself a chance. And we saw them against Detroit. They started terrible, and then they got going right then and Detroit ended up winning the ballgame. So we've seen them play well, falling behind. But I just don't think that's a great way to try

to win football games, Ocho, is to try to contingently fall behind, and then ask your rookie quarterback to try to win football games, Ocho, is to try to, you know, contingently fall behind and then ask your rookie quarterback to try to now make plays to win you the ball game. You see, but maybe that's the issue. You said it right. As a coordinator,

obviously when you fall behind, you said it, you throw caution to win and you just play freely. You go off goddamn script and you run what you think is going to work and what you need

for one to score touchdowns and to get yards and chunk plays. Maybe you should start the game like that the same way you do and pretend as if you know what we're down right now hell fuck it we're throwing caution to wind right we're losing so i'm going to call the game as such and allow caleb to do what he does best as you said playing off script which he shouldn't do obviously you as a quarterback you want to do you you want to be able to run a normal offense, be able to go through your progression, be able to go through your reads, and make sure your anticipatory skills are what they should be

and being able to facilitate the ball with that progression. And maybe that's just not his strength right now. So why not just play to his strength? And maybe that's why they look so good coming back against detroit what's the strength playing off script you can't play like playing off script being able you can't call play you can't call you you call a play the play is not meant to be when you call a play most plays are meant to do certain things you You can't say, okay, well, this play going to break down and just go off script. That's intuition.

Yeah, right. I know what you mean. I mean, going off script, let's say, like, you know, I'm not sure if y'all did this. First 15 plays of the game. It's scripted. Yes. Yeah, it's scripted. Yes.

I'm just saying, call it a little bit more freely as opposed to how you would do if it was the beginning beginning beginning of a game no that's all i don't i don't i personally don't know what that looks like for them i just know hell when you got them behind the play call is much different as opposed to whatever your normal tendencies would be on a first down second down third down whatever it may be but you also got because they look completely different when they fuck it down. But you also got to factor in the defense plays you different when they got a 21 point or 17 point lead. So they'll give you stuff. They'll let you nickel and dime your way down the field. So I have to call the game accordingly because I don't know. I'm basic off when I call the first 15. That's the one thing I know.

What we've seen on film study is that more times than not they're going to give us these defenses now once we get past those first 15 we've got to play football they're going to settle in we're going to settle in and now we go play now once i get a big lead all i'm telling my guys nothing cheap nothing deep i'm not going to nickel your way down the field we're not gonna give you big chunk plays and so now all of a sudden the being the being the 10 yard of the five yarders the eight yard routes they're available because nobody wants that wants the guys to get behind them they have i mean when you script the first how do you f up the first 15 bro you've been practicing these plays

all week you come in on friday you have a good idea what you're going to do. You talk, you walk through them on Saturday. I'm trying to figure out, I mean, bro, y'all got to do a better job than that. Y'all got to. But Minnesota 12 and two is in the wildcard position because they happen to be in the same division as Detroit, and Detroit owns the tiebreaker because they've beaten Minnesota head-to-head. That could change moving forward. It could easily be Minnesota

be the number one seed. It could easily be the Eagles have the number one seed, but I just don't know how the Lions, with all these injuries that's starting to mount on the defensive side of the football, I don't know how they hold on to that number one seed. If they do, given the injuries that's starting to mount on the defensive side of the football i don't know how they hold on to that number one seed if they do given the injuries that they've did that they're dealing with right man you got to go ahead and give dan camp campbell the coach of the year

yeah most definitely well i was thinking about it i'm thinking about those that are free that can come in and help right away and play right now carlton davis is out broken jaw right yes if i'm not mistaken broken jaw i'm thinking examining howard examining howard is is out there right now i think that's someone that can come in and feel that and feel that spot very very is he in shape huh is he in shape oh you know he's been working out you know he's been working out now i don't i don't know personally i'm just saying based on what i've seen from him and his agent that they put out, you know, in him being available and wanting to come in, I think he might have had to try out maybe one or two, if I'm not mistaken.

I'm just saying being able to fill the hole so the Detroit Lions can make that run, that playoff run on somebody. Listen, the Lions love playing man-to-man. What does Xavier Howard do very well? Well, not playing man-to-man the last couple of years. That's not what he's been doing well. Right. Come on, hon. Don't do that. Come on, hon.

You say what he's been doing well, not playing man-to-man. That's not what he's been doing well. Come on, hon. Don't, don't. Start him out, D-Bo. You know what, Ocho, that I hate? When you see guys like Howard that's been a pro-bowl player, that's been an all-pro player, now they got to send out memos and smoke

screens to try to get back into the league. I tell guys all the time, Ocho, it's easier to get in the league and stay than get in the league, get out and try to get back in. Right. So once you're in, Ocho, once you're in, it's easy to get in the club. But what they say, and when

you go to a sporting event, when you go to a, if you leave the arena, there will be no more re-entry right so that's what i'm trying to tell these players and they don't want to listen it's easier to get into the league and stay as opposed to getting in getting out and try to get back in because now people start to look, okay, so what happened? Why is he not in the league? Right. And so, look, there's some issues off the field. Hopefully he got those resolved. So if the guy can play, I'm sure Detroit is going to kick the tires again, Ocho.

Right. I don't know if he had a trial with them. Like I said, I haven't been following that closely. I'm sure they're going to kick the tires again. Maybe they have guys on the practice squad that they elevate. No, no, no. Come on now. Come on now.

We talk about practice squad, and we talk about players that have the experience to be able to play position so Aaron Glenn can do some of the things that he wants to do. We don't have to change much. And how do you do that? By going out and getting a veteran that's been good at what they do, whether it looks like it did five years ago or not. You have someone that's familiar with defense, that's familiar with covering, especially man-to-man, which Aaron Glenn knows

boys like to do, and that has a lot of interceptions. And it will always have himself in position to make those plays as you make this run. And then, hey, you got fresh legs. You have no wear and tear. So you get the best version of that individual or whatever they have left in the tank. And I think it would be a good look. As far as the second level is concerned, I don't really know about linebackers.

I'm just going to be honest with you. I don't know about linebackers and what their availability may be as far as somebody coming off the street or somebody that's played the game for a while. And I don't know about deep end. maybe as far as somebody coming off the street or somebody that's played the game for a while. And I don't know about deep saying, but I speak to the skill position in DBs.

Uh, you got what you got now, Joe. And the thing is, is that what concerns me is that catching up with the speed of the game, because you know, that's a different mentality when you own that age. Now you own Rockers Island island and now in the sharks because you hey all i know is if i'm playing and i see a guy and he's been out of the league for 13 14 weeks and he's just coming back i'm gonna cook his ass

yeah ain't no ifs and a buts about it i don't care what you were i just know you're not walking back in being that same player now you might you might build back up and become some resemblance of that but i know your first couple games back you ain't gonna be him and because guess what happens though joe when you start working like like that soft tissue injuries because you and I both know he ain't been backpedaling, playing, stop, cutting, turning, twisting, and running like this. Like he gonna

be in the game. And because practice, you gonna be sore after those first couple of practices. You know how sore you are. Think about how hard you work out in the offseason. Take your black ass to practice. Those are training camp. It's different. Take your black ass to practice. Those, that many, those are a training camp. Those are different.

It's different. Was it different by the, by the time you hit that day three, still play. Ain't no, ain't no being, you walking like Frankenstein. Ain't no,

ain't no, ain't no flexion. Ain't none of that. Everything hurt. You get out of bed, your ankles hurt, your hips hurt, your knees hurt.

Cause all that stop starting plant, cutting, transitioning, man. Because all that stop, starting, plant, cutting, transitioning. Man. But look, what do you got to lose? I mean, you got guys going down. But the problem we got is because a lot of it, they got interior guys. They got linebackers going down. They ain't just got a specific position.

They're going down. They're dropping like flies at all positions. D-line, linebackersers and second date yeah and at some point in time and as i was saying today on first take at some point in time the man that's next to the man that's next to the man ain't enough it just isn't listen one of the most important things for teams going into the going into the back half of the season and into the playoffs it ain't having the best team it's about how many players you have healthy when that's healthy yeah the healthiest and everybody hurt yes you know people in the chat people that people are watching everybody everybody's not healthy you know you don't

feel the way you did going out week one everybody got something wrong with them everybody's nicked up everybody's nerd is a is a nick and knack or it's something there is no team that is completely did going out week one, everybody got something wrong with them. Everybody's nicked up. Everybody's nervous. It's a nick and a knack or it's something. There is no team that is completely healthy. But how many players you have going to the back half of the season, heading into the playoffs, and how many can withstand whatever those injuries may be? Man, you know, you're lucky. You're lucky, especially this time of year.

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which has to be the number one as the, the top seed in the, the NFC East. They're number two at 12-2. The Eagles, which has to be the number one, has the top seed in the NFC East. They're number two at 12-2. The Bucks at 8-6 and number three. The Rams at 8-6 and number four. Those are your four division leaders. The first wild card is 12-2 Minnesota. The second wild card is 10-4 Green Bay. Washington needs one more win to secure themselves.

Well, yeah, I think if they get one more win, they'll make the playoffs. That would be 10-5. Yep. Now, Seattle theoretically could get to 11 wins. Atlanta could get to 10 wins. Arizona could get to 10 wins. But those are the teams that really control their destiny. Everybody else, the 49ers, the Cowboys, they need help because they can't get to 10 wins.

So you've got the hope, Ocho. You've got the hope that you win out and then somebody else takes care of business, helps you take care of your business. Right. But imagine if, I mean, hypothetically speaking, when you think about it, imagine the Cowboys get to the playoffs. I ain't hypo and I ain't pedical, so it ain't happening. You said it yourself. You just named them

as a team that can rely on other teams for something to happen and just mysteriously go their way where they happen to get in. But here's the thing. They got to go to Philly. Philly's trying to get to number one seed. I don't see them beating Philly. And Washington

needs one more win. See, if Washington gets another win, the Cowboys can't catch them. Yeah, it's a wrap. So all Washington has to do is get to 10 wins. And the Cowboys can't catch them. Now, Green Bay already has 10 wins. Minnesota has 12 wins. See, the Rams, the thing what they have is that they're in a division. Now,

it's going to be very, very interesting how it shapes out between the Rams, the Seahawks, and the Cards. Yeah. But if those teams

get to 10 wins, it's over for the Cowboys because the Cowboys can only get to nine. Yeah. And speaking of, those three teams you just said,

Cardinals, Seahawks, or the Rams, I think the one team that no team i don't care who you are i don't care how good your defense is i don't care what you say or what your rank statistically offensively or defensively you don't want to see the ramps offense in the postseason they look good they look you don't want to see that offense with both receivers back healthy no No. The thing that's been really impressive about me is Kyron Williams' ability to run the football. And so when he runs it, Ocho, guess what that means? That play action. Opens

up everything. Now you got Puka on the over. Now you got Cooper Cupp on the sale. Now you got Atwell. So you got guys that can make plays in the passing game and everything is predicated. That's all running scheme.

The shit that, you know, Hey, that was made famous by Mike Kyle runs. It is that when you can run the football and now I can play action off of it. Mm. Hey,

linebackers got to come up. They got to try to get down and feel to stop that. Right. Ain't got no choice. Got no choice. Ain't got no choice, but the check, I call it. They got to check the dough. to try to get down the field and stop that run ain't got no choice got no choice ain't got no choice but to check i call it they got to check the dough because somebody knocking jalen johnson said he was unaware that he did not have the captaincy on his jersey today

when asked after the game he's one of the eight captains that have won the seat in every other game said he would talk to bears equipment manager tony meddling uh for an explanation why wouldn't he have it on there i don't know i'm curious i hell i thought i thought did you i thought it was all once you saw it on it's already there now maybe was this the first time they wore those jerseys because it seemed like like like minnesota had a different color uniform i don't know what they have some ice white some ice white uniforms so maybe maybe chic's the difference. Maybe Chicago had those, what do they call it, color rush or something.

But I'm thinking, Ocho, once you saw the captaincy zone and you wear the jersey, I mean, what do you do? But hold on. They don't wear the same jerseys, though, huh? You think they wear the same jerseys? Oh, yeah, you wear the same jersey. Hell, yeah. Unless, no, I'm saying, Ocho. Now, obviously, you have a home jersey.

You have a away jersey. Now, if it gets ripped or something like that, okay, maybe. Or if you give it away. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Because you know a lot of guys, they trade jerseys after the game. Right. They trade jerseys after the game. But, man, I mean, hell, I wore the same jersey

because you can see where they done stitched mine up. They done had it torn. They done sewed that thing up, man. Hey, hey, team, hey, that's why when you trade jerseys at first, the team covered that. Oh, hell no, these jerseys like $100-something. And y'all give them away every game? Oh, no.

Y'all about to, this $100-plus, $200 going to come out y'all check. away every game oh no y'all about this go this hundred plus dollars two hundred dollars gonna come at y'all check it is and uh um so yeah i i i can imagine he's looking down he looked down and he said he didn't know uh that he didn't have the sea on his jersey and i'm glad because it just goes to show that hey he wasn't worried that. He going out there to play football and try to win a game. I ain't worried about it. That's something, I don't know if he's being truthful or not, Ocho, but it lets me know, look, I'm trying to win a game, and we'll address this issue after the game. Listen, he came, I don't know if you saw him dressed before the game,

but he came dressed to play football. Yeah. He came dressed. Which one came like Frank Lucas? That was him. Okay, that was him. Okay, he came dressed to play football. Yeah. He came dressed. Oh, he was the one that came, which one came like Frank Lucas? That was Dow Jones. Okay, okay, that was him, okay. He came like Frank Lucas. And he looked like one of Detroit players now.

You remember when Frank Lucas went to the Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier Friday, Madison Square Garden? That's the exact same, exact same coat and hat. And he got his ass busked. They're like, hold on. Who is that with that outfit sitting that close to the ring? And that's exactly how he got his ass busked. Hold on. Who did that with that outfit sitting that close to the ring? And that's exactly how he got caught up. Because they had no clue who he was until you decided to step out and be flamboyant.

I mean, because think about what that cost. That was probably like $50,000, $75,000 back in the 70s. That's probably about $300,000. But that was chinchilla now. Yes! You know how much chinchilla is today? In today's market? I'd have been chilly because I definitely would have had that coat on.

I'd have just been chilly, chilly. Hold on, don't forget the hat now. Yes! Remember back in the day when my grandma used to go to church? Oh, the old ladies always. And them hats. Them hats?

Yeah. Them deaconesses. What? Boy, ain't nobody want to see my grandma hat game, boy. Oh, yeah. Nobody want to see my grandma hat game, boy. She had all type of, she had all type of shit. We put my-

White, blue, black, red. She had a dress and a hat for every dress and heel. And a clutch. Hey. Play with it if you want to. We put my grandma on the ground with a hat for every dress and heel and a clutch hey play if you want to we put my grandma in the ground with a hat on for real yeah she told my sister she wanted to be in a hat right that's last she had a she had a hat her sunglasses yeah everything yes yes yes sir

you never go see yeah i don't remember um and like i said i said, I've never seen my grandmother go to church without a hat. Yeah. Never. Yeah. And if she forgot it, you're going to turn around and go get it. Yeah, very important to go have that hat on. That was a thing. The old ladies wore hats back

then. You know, deaconesses or the sisters of the church. Hey, you know who had the best hat collection the pastor wife yes absolutely whoever the pastor wife oh she hey she came stepping every Sunday deaconess my grandmother was mother of the church so you know they had to get out there they had to get up there and uh they had to they had to step but uh yeah uh so I was what I saw it uh on my feed Ocho on my my IGV. You didn't realize who it was. I didn't play no Chichester.

I just scrolled through. And I was like, damn, dude, got on that Frank Lucas get up. Because it looked exactly, if I didn't know about it, he went, hey, let me get the Frank, who Frank Lucas? Showed him a picture. Can you get me a coat and a hat? Looked just like this. And that thing, hey, that thing.

It's so funny. When they tweeted, when the Bears, when the Bears' social media account tweeted it, I retweeted it back with a picture of Frank Lucas in the original picture. Yes. Standing with everybody, with his wife and everything, with a comparison.

So I'm like, well, ain't that about a bitch? Yes, that's the exact ensemble. And that thing long, too. Yeah. Oh, that thing long. Now, you know, you can get a jacket. You can get a jacket on, Charlie. Yeah, huh? You can get a jacket

or you can get the mid or you can get what they call the long. You go long, you're from Detroit now. Hey, stop. You're straight Detroit. But see, that's where they had them Stacey Adams, them Gators. Oh! I want a timeout. What you know about Stacey Adams? Man,acy adam man come on man now you know them old

man them stacy adam i went to church the man had the stacy adam boots you know they had them yeah not they came with the right here ocho and they had them on real socks yeah it's so funny uh hold on hold on you're not if i tell you you're not. If I tell you, you're not going to believe me. Hold on. If you listen. Hold on. Hold on. I got the Stacey Adams. Listen, you know, I roller skate. I roller skate heavy. Anybody in the chat that's from the West Coast, specifically L.A. I have my Stacey Adams. They all read roller skates okay yeah with the small wheels yeah if i if i don't show it to you be like man stop lying i don't know if i can zoom i don't know if this picture okay yeah i see it can you see that yeah yeah then my then my red skates made by skate fanatics for those of you

that on instagram skate fanatics on Instagram, my red Stacey Adams. So as soon as you said Stacey Adams, I thought to myself, wait a minute. I got some damn red Stacey Adams skates because they call them sliders in LA. You know, you slide on the wood because the way the wheels are made, it allows you to slide smoothly

instead of really have grip. Well, you know, a slider is a car it's not your main car it's your secondary car that's what you get hey but it's a it's a way it's a style of it's a style of skating you know normally known on the west coast for those that um that roll out that way. But, you know, I love skating. I love skating. I don't know how long you were in L.A., but I'm just saying, I'm not sure if you remember. It's no longer than now.

Remember World on Wheels? I've heard of them, but I've never been. You got to think, when I was at Santa Monica, I was at World on Wheels back in 97. Yeah. Going to the sessions in 97, 98, and 99. And that's where my love for skating has started. And I still do it to this day. But anyway, we're all off topic.

But go ahead. But I remember early on in the 90s, we got to, you had to, I don't know, Chad, if y'all remember the Mares. And I had Mares. That was the Gators. And they came. You know, I had the black pair. I had a brown pair, a cognac pair. Come on, man.

Everybody had, you know, you had purple, you had green, you had black. Back then, the guys had a pair of gators to match every suit that they had. So if you wore a black suit, you wore black gators. You wore a purple suit, you had purple gators. You wore a green suit, you had green gators. You wore a brown or a tan suit,

you had gators to match. Bro, you show up on the plane, 40 brothers with Marys on. Hey, hey, hey. Clean, hey, clean. Hey, clean as the border hell, though. I take that. Clean.

Hey, I don't know if y'all remember, but every color of Marys, I don't even know if Marys still makes shoes. I'm sure they do. But everybody had those big, and the square toe, Ocho, because back then, everybody had the kicker. Like the old kicker, like the straight-on kicker

that had the square toe. Everybody had the square toe, Morris. Yes. That's live. That's dope. That's dope. The Falcons survived in Las Vegas 15-9. Desmond Ritter, last second, he even to the end zone was intercepted. The Raiders fall to 2-12.

That's how you do it. Make like you're trying to win, Ocho, so you get no more picks. Nobody will say anything about it. The Falcons improve. They're 7-7. Keep pace. They're one game behind the Buccaneers. That's why first cousin's still starting.

Falcons manage to stay within one game of Tampa Bay in the NFC South. Raheem Morrison, Kirk Cousins. He's got to play better. We have to find a way to get him to play better. We have to play better at the quarterback position. Atlanta's offense was pedestrian once again,

mustering 261 yards, only 14 first downs. Cousins was finished on the night 11 of 17, 112 yards, and a touchdown and an interception. Got to stop turning the ball over, Ocho. That's what it is. He's on a horrible three or four-game skid as far as turning the ball over is concerned.

The quarterback is what gives your chance your team a chance to win period yeah and again when you play as bad as you do and the reason they won the game tonight is because you're playing against a very bad raiders team it's true you won tonight because you're playing against a bad raiders team if you're playing against anybody else oh you're the hell beat out you you would have got you would have got your ass handed to you tonight you know kirk cousins has to play bad i'm not sure what you call it as a quarterback as far as baseball is concerned for better context he's in a he's in a but this is a horrible slump one that one that when it comes to baseball it's just you and the pitcher so you have to work on everything yourself

this one you're the quarterback we have 10 others to make sure you You know what? We're going to make sure you get it right. And you got 10 other people to help you do it. Now, the only thing on your part is your goddamn decision-making with the ball. You've been playing football long enough to know what's in front of you. You've been playing football long enough, playing the quarterback position long enough to be

able to read your coverages, understand the disguises that you're seeing before the snap of the ball, understand where players are going to be after the snap of the ball, where these mistakes shouldn't be being made by a savvy veteran like yourself. It just shouldn't.

And again, the only reason they did, I mean, the Falcons, the only reason the Falcons didn't lose tonight is because you're playing the goddamn Raiders. That's it. And you know, another thing, on top of this, I'm hoping Mark Davis understanding that Antonio Pierce hasn't got a fair shot. No, you ain't winning without a quarterback. He hasn't had a goddamn quarterback.

No. And it'd be totally unfair. I hope he has the patience and understanding that, you know, and allowing Antonio Pierce to get a quarterback so they can build around him, so they can have a chance to compete, not only in that division, but along with the rest of the NFL as well, like other teams have done.

If you look at, I'm not saying the Bears have their answer and Caleb Williams, they have to continue to build, but Jaden Daniels, you know, it's shown. But yeah, that's it. Bryce Young, you know, it's shown. yeah that's it bryce young you know it's shown the falcons did everything they could to try to take the ball out of cousins hand they ran it 37 times they only allowed him to throw it 17 so you see what they tried to do and they tried to make it simple because now we run it now we play action off of it. But he's in a horrible slump.

And right now he's overthinking it. He's trying to aim the football. And I just don't know if that's the correct way to get out of that funk that he's in. Yeah. But they still have a chance, Ochoa. They have a chance to make the playoffs and win the division. Right. And that's why they haven't benched him.

Exactly. That's why they haven't put Penning Jr. in there. That's why. That's it. Because they know, they know what Kirk can do. We know what Kirk can do. Listen,

we've seen Kirk going on a goddamn run where he's a monster in the regular season. We, I mean, I've seen it. You've seen it, you know, but I,

I just, I don't know when it's going to come. But if, if we're going to get to the old Kirk that we used to to seeing obviously we can't call them playoff kirk because he has one playoff win but at some point when you turn it around let's turn it around for the good right for the good going forward because you got everything you need on offense you know bijan is special he's special yeah he had 22 carries tonight for $1.25. Algier had 12 for 43. Cousins sacked, but

he ended up, you know, he got sacked three times for 19 yards. They had 168 yards rushing on 37 carries. You could live with that. A little about four and a half yards of carry, but 11 for 17. Bro, I'm paying this man 50

mil a year, and this man gave me 11 to 17. But Ocho, at the place that we're in right now, I got, hey, I got to take what I can get. I can't trust him. I don't trust him full-heartedly. I took the key back. You know, it's an old lady. I took the

key back, Ocho. Nah, you let me know when you're coming. You just can't come and go as you you just can't come and go as you please. Kirk C we just not gonna allow you to willy-nilly just throw the football all over the field right right you've shown me some things that says that i shouldn't trust you so i like that yeah yeah i like adam sheffield reporting mark davis had a chance to stand behind Antonio Pierce at the owners meeting, and he didn't. It didn't sound like he's an absolute lock

to be back with the Raiders at all. Ocho, will the Raiders bring Antonio Pierce back next season? I just talked about that out in the blue. Mark Davis, what are we doing? What are we doing? Mark is like his dad, Ocho. He likes names. If you go back and look likes names if you go back and look at if you go back and look at it with his dad al look at his hires he likes to flash now he's gonna do like

he hired john man at a very young age you go yeah he went and he hired a uh art shell the first black head coach in the model era uh you look at, he make a big splash with John Groove. He makes a splash with Lane Kipping. That's what he likes that. And his son is just like the old man. He likes name. One of the reasons why I'm surprised that they didn't give Belichick a call because that's a big name.

But Tom, I believe Bradyady is gonna have so i don't believe uh do i believe antonio pierce has been given fair fair is where you judge pigs you can eat cotton candy ride the merry-go-round that's where the fair is yeah but in this situation i believe tom is gonna have a lot of say on whether anton stays or goes. And Tom is going to survey the land. There's a reason why they gave him an opportunity to have ownership stay because they wanted to have

some say in who the head coach is going to be. So could I see a scenario where Antonio Pierce is not back next year? 1,700 million percent. Damn. I don't like that, Un. I don't like that i don't like that as a former player you understand what it takes to win in this nfl a blind man that can't see understands what it takes to win as a team in nfl or what it starts with it always starts with the quarterback position

if you don't have a quarterback you're gonna have hell trying to compete week in and week out everybody knows that even if you're a casual fan of the game and don't have a quarterback, you're going to have hell trying to compete week in and week out. Everybody knows that. Even if you're a casual fan of the game and don't enjoy it that much, you know it starts at a quarterback position. They haven't had that at all. At all. And it's been a while, maybe three or four years. I'm not sure how long it's been since Derek Carr left, but they haven't found the answer and the centerpiece to be able to build around. Now this is the upcoming draft

now we're gonna have that we're gonna have that going to get named what is going to get names going to do huh you have a coach already and antonio pierce that the players resonate with no different than dan campbell i'm not comparing the two as far as coaching is concerned i'm talking about former players that played the game that the players will be able to relate to that is young. You know, I just like I don't I don't know, as an owner, they think differently. Him saying, oh, I want to get big name just to say and make a splash for fucking what? Because it's about what you have in that locker room and having someone who's going to be a leader of men in a position of power that can get everything out of those players and you had that with antonio pierce but the only issue is i ain't got nobody ain't got hell it's like having a car with no motherfucking steering wheel that bitch that bitch would go

you could go but you can't go where you want to because you ain't got shit to steal with i think ocho the thing is what makes it difficult for Las Vegas and L.A. markets is that you have a lot of transient. What I mean by that, Ocho, there are not a lot of homegrown people in L.A., not a whole lot of homegrown people in Vegas. And so unless you win, you're not coming. There's too much to do in Las Vegas. There's too much to do in Las Vegas. There's too much to do in Los Angeles. So what I got to do, I got to get a

Sean McVay, a 30-something year old. And you see what they do. They go for it. Every year, they go out and they make the trade for Matthew Stafford. They make the trade for J. Ram. They go all in. They go get a Vaughn Miller. They go get a Leonardam. Hey, they go all in. They go get a Vaughn Miller.

They go get a Leonard Floyd. Hey, we don't care. We're going all in because we got to win. There's too much going on in L.A. I can be at Malibu. I can be at Santa Monica. I can be eating on a deck. I can be at the Ivy.

There's too much going on for me to sit my ass in the confines of a stadium, and we lose it. Now, if you're the Dodgers, the Dodgers have been there for such a long time. The Lakers, a staple, they've been there for a long time, but not football team. In Las Vegas, you just got a football team, what, three, four years ago. And most of the time, a lot of the fans, hey hey the casinos they they let them they let them the rollers get those tickets and we're not winning i ain't going because first of all the raiders not

even my team i like the steelers i like the broncos or i like this team i like that team that's why when you go to i don't know if you've ever been to so far when the rams play the whole team always have more fans than the rams right same thing with las vegas and so you've got to win or you've got to have something to draw the fans in to make them want to come watch yo yo hey you know i'm just thinking a sporting event in general obviously there's no football team in vegas outside of you know you have college you have the unlv rebels i'm not sure if they have uh they got a hockey they got they're about to have the four major sports they got they got night the nights they got the nights they got hockey they're about to get a basketball team baseball is coming

in a couple of years they got a they got a woman's basketball They got a woman's basketball. They got a woman's basketball. And they got football. So they got the four major sports. Yeah. But I'm just thinking, outside of the events, the excursion, not excursion, I don't think excursion

is the right word. Some of the things you can do, you got the spear. You got the spear. You got the spear. The casinos. Man, I'm coming to Vegas. I'm coming to Vegas to gamble.

I'm coming to Vegas to gamble. Get effing married. I ain't coming to watch those sports no you ain't no listen the football game a football game is a good that's a good thing to plan if you're going to vegas along with what you just said listen i'm going to get married i'm going to get hitched you know oh shit that gives me a good idea but anyway you're going to you're going to vegas you're going to get hitched right yes you think about it you're going to gamble you're going to you're going to Vegas, you're going to get hits, right? You think about it. You're going to gamble. You're going to one of them goddamn shows. One of them shows.

Blue Man Group. I don't know what it may be, but having a football game because I'm in Vegas on the goddamn schedule, it's perfect. It don't get no better than that. If it's hockey season, hell, the Knights ain't there for the Heights. The Knights just won the Stanley Cup not too long ago. Yeah, they're good. it don't get no better than that if it's hockey season hell the Knights ain't there for the the Knights the Knights

the Knights just won the Stanley Cup not too long ago yeah they're good they're good they're competitive hey look

I'm going to a show I'm gonna get married yeah I'm gonna gamble they got really good food out here so the Buffins oh yeah

you better and you better eat now you know what hopefully I can make the football game really good food out here. So the buffet. Oh yeah. You want, you, and you better eat. Now, you know what? Hopefully I can make the football game. Cause you know, football is played on Sunday.

Do you know how the people are on Saturday night? They gambling and they're drinking. Yeah. All day, all night. Now what health is the game? Is that one? Like one 15,

one 20. Yeah. I can, I got another one for you. You might not know about this, man. You ever been to the Spearman Rhino? No? I've heard of it, but I've never been. How about Girl Collection?

Floyd Mayweather spot. I haven't been to Floyd's spot. I've been to Sapphire a couple times. Okay, okay. Sapphire. I like that color. That's a beautiful gemstone. I like what was in there. They had a lot of different colors. They had some sapphires. They had some emeralds. They had some rubies.

Okay. Okay. Hold on. Listen, when you was a kid, right, in my kindergarten class, we had a bunny. We had a bunny in my class, and the name of our bunny was Carl. Uh-huh. I never forget Carl. And as I got older in life, I flew to Vegas, and I learned about the Bunny Ranch.

Yeah. I ain't been there. Now, I don't know if you've been to the Bunny Ranch. You ain't ever been there? Nope. No? Okay, I'm going to get you a coupon because they got a coupon for 20% off at the Bunny Ranch. Yeah, when I was in school they had some bunnies in our class too. But their name wasn't Carl.

What their name was? Susan. Christy. Amber. So Christy. Amber. So, but like I said, brah, two and 12. And look, we know sometimes, look, two and 12. I mean, look at the quarterback that they gave.

One year they gave him Jimmy G. Yeah. Then you had I don't know who to start. Oh, Gardner Mitchell started and then you had Daniel Connell and now you got Delmar Ritter. It's just like

so it's a bad situation. I wouldn't wish this on any i wish this on anybody uh because the the the thing that you don't want ojo is like to like lose hope where you don't have any chance of winning right you don't it is bad i got a question. What happened to Garoppolo? What happened to the Garoppolo that we saw when he was a backup to Tom Brady and some words were exchanged behind closed doors where Garoppolo was playing so well, but Brady felt he was a threat. You need to get him out of here so I don't have to look over my shoulder

because the backup that we have, there's a chance he might take my spot. No different than when Drew Bledsoe got hurt. Yes. When Mokweem Titteman, I came in and Drew never got his shot back. Well, that was not a threat. That was Coach Belichick. Coach Belichick really believed in Jimmy G. And the thing is that you get that a lot.

I want to prove that I can win a championship without you. And all of a sudden it became a race prove that I can win a championship without you. And all of a sudden, it became a race to see who could win the Super Bowl first. Would Coach Belichick win without Tom? Or would Tom win without Coach Belichick? Well, we know the answer to that. And so now, everybody says, look, I mean, there are people that said

they won because of Tom. People say they won because of Coach Belichick. Well, Tom went somewhere else and won. Tom went somewhere else. So I think we have an answer. And you get that a lot. And that's the hardest thing, Ocho, when you have that level of success,

it ain't good enough to say we both responsible for it. Nah, I need 51%. Now, if you concede, give me 51%, you take 49%, we gonna be okay. Yeah. But as long as there's a possibility that you might get more credit, I don't get it

because at that point in time, Tom was still playing really, really good, and I get it. But as we start to age, we need more help, Ocho. It's just the same. It's just like Oprah. As we start to age, we start to need help. We have to write things down.

Our recall isn't what it once was. As you get older and older, you might need help getting around. Even as great players, you need help because where you used to elevate everybody, now you need those guys to elevate you. Elevate you, right. It's no different as you get older. Sometimes you have to take the road sparks

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You can't replace what he's meant for that offense. You can't replace what he's meant for that running game. Obviously, they were a great complement to each other, Gibbs and Montgomery. You can't replace what he's meant for that offense. You can't replace what he's meant for that running game. Obviously, they were a great complement to each other, Gibbs and Montgomery. I think I'm not sure what they're going to do. I'm sure, again, this is the situation where it's the next man up, but I don't think the next man up will be David Montgomery. I think they will be adequate to the offense. They will be put in positions to make the plays, to make the runs and and try to replicate the the production that david montgomery brought to that offense um but i think you know brother jameer gibbs is gonna have to carry it you know he's gonna have to show a little load

and and do a little bit more than than what was asked as as before and i think he's capable of doing so and i'm not sure sure who the number two will be. Yeah, I don't know. Because all I know about them, because they get all the carries. So I don't know. I don't know who. Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be somebody.

I'm not sure who. And when it comes to the running back, you never bring someone off the street. Yeah, not really, right? Because you probably got it. I'm sure they got somebody on the practice squad right because i think running back is the easiest position to transition right from college from from high school to college from college to pro because the hardest thing for a running back to pick up is blitz protection pass right yeah as far as as far as

i if you have vision if you you have balance, that's there. But knowing who to block, how to block them, that seems to be the problem with a lot of running backs and what they struggle with. Armand Ross St. Brown brought Prada suits for the entire Lions receivers room. Ocho, what's the best gift you've ever gave or gift you've received in the locker room? Hey, that's the best gift you've gave, you've ever gave, or gift you've

received in the locker room? Hey, that's a good one right there, Unc. I ain't really, never really received no gifts like that, Unc. Especially, you know, during our time, during our tenure, we didn't have enough, we didn't win enough, Unc, where gifts were really needed, you know? We didn't win

enough, you know, during needed. We didn't win enough during my time outside of one season. I think if we won enough, then gifts would have been passed out for certain positions. I was able to reach this milestone because of y'all, because of this specific group, or me giving Carson

something nice because Carson didn't buy the offensive lineman because normally the offensive lineman always... Oh, yeah, quarterback always, especially that 2005 season. I can't remember what Carson bought, but I'm sure he bought that offensive line something. But our offense was

unbelievable that year. I don't know what the hell was happening that year, but if there was something, I can't remember obviously because it's been too long, but I remember Carson buying something for all the offensive linemen for what they had been doing, you know, that season. We were on fire offensively. 93, I was a first-team All-Pro. I was named starter of the—I was a starting tight end for the AFC.

And I had a $10 thousand dollar if i made the pro bowl bonus right um and i went and bought the offensive lineman i bought them all rolexes stainless steel rolexes whoa wait hold on now yeah wait how much was the rolex like 25 it was stainless steel like 2500 $2,500. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I was getting ready to say because you got me thinking about Rolexes today and I'm thinking about, damn, that's $60,000 a piece.

And she ain't never had a watch on her day of the life. Not an Apple watch, not a Mickey Mouse, not a time watch yet. I've noticed, I've noticed, I've noticed woman nine years. I've never seen Ash with a watch on.

Hey, Ash, what time is it? This is what she does. 939. Look at her phone. Yes. That's why, I mean, most people, a lot of people tell time. I don't think, because I always have a watch on. So unless I'm working out.

But I don't really ever look at my phone to get the time. I just look down at my wrist. But I mean, I've never, I'm trying to think. Did I do anything else? No. That was it and i was like damn that little ten thousand dollars would have came in handy yeah it was gone but uh no it was just that i was just so bro i was so uh i was just so excited because at that point in time me and my brother were starters in the pro bowl we both were first team all pro so i feel i feel hey hey hey what that what that feel like man what that

feel like i'm just curious i'm i think about i think about all the brothers that played yeah man game and made it to the to can you imagine what it feels like to be you know a moss brother you know santana sonoris or kelsey yeah you know i mean the sharps i mean manning's or watts that gotta be yeah that gotta be an awesome feeling man for for the bosses like to have your brother man to go through life and you know this journey sometimes look different and and you make it to the to the pinnacle of your childhood dream. That's wild. To see my brother over there, he was so happy.

I called him and told him and said, we found out that morning. Lunch break, I called him. I said, man, I made a pro ball. I'm a starter. That dude lost his mind. That's a good feeling, boy.

I know you were hyped. Oh, I know you were hyped. I can imagine. Because he took me over his... In 90, he made it. 89, he was first team all pro. He led the league in catches. And he took me over and so i was a rookie and to get an opportunity to be around all those guys so now i get to meet you

know all the guys are over there and you know back then it was at the hilton hawaiian village yeah yeah and so the hilton hawaiian villages you set up is a little different because it's access and everybody can just just walk up and so you know that's good and bad if you know what I mean don't you know you know you know

just saying and so but yeah it was an unbelievable honor you know and that yeah I'm trying to think no because my sister went the first two years. She went in 89 and went in 90. Did she go back? Yeah, she went

back in 92. She went in 89 the first year. I didn't go because I was getting ready for the East West Shrine game, all that stuff. She went in 90 and then when we both went in 92, I was the first alternate and Keith West Shrine game, all that stuff. She went 90 and then when we both went 92, I was the first alternate

and Keith Jackson didn't go, so I went that was my first Pro Bowler. She went again and after that, so I went 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98. She's like, nah, I'm good. All she would do, she just order room service. She would come down the first

day, so that Monday, everybody gets there. she would do, she'd just order room service. She came, she would come down the first day. So that Monday, everybody gets there. She would dial, meet everybody. After that, she really didn't come down anymore. She'd just order room service. She's like, nah, she's just like, it's too far to fly. Right. And so, you know, she never went back. That's a long flight, boy.

Because once you get to L.A., you still got another five hours to go. And, you know, she was coming from anywhere else outside of that, especially on the East Coast. So she had to fly from Savannah to Atlanta, Atlanta to either LA, San Diego, or San Francisco. Sometimes they had to stop off in Dallas and fly there. So she's like, nah, I'm good. I'm going to let y'all have it.

So then I started like like but then i took my coaches so i always took my position coach so that was every year and then i ended up taking when i went to so after i made it i had different position coaches so every year the position coach les stucco was always he he's going to be one of my favorite. He's always probably my favorite position coach. I would always take him even though he was no longer my coach. So I would take him and Brian Periani. So now I go to Baltimore, I make it in Baltimore. So now I got to take, I take the position coach.

So it was great because I appreciate what they had done. Cause everybody had taught me something different. Everybody worked with me. Everybody really helped me become the player that I became. And that was one way that I could show them that I appreciated it. And I invited them all because of, but, uh,

all of them were at the time was still except for, uh, except Steckle. Steckle was, was, he wasn't coaching, but BP was coaching. And,

uh, I'm trying to think what was my, my, man, what's my coach? Wade, Wade Harmon was my position coach, was my position coach in Baltimore. And he was still coaching, but it was a great honor to bring him out, fly him out, put them up, spend a lot of money. That's what my... That was the only time, Ocho, in 93 that I had incentives in my contract.

And after I got screwed out of that 100 bands, I was like, I'm never putting incentives in my contract again because y'all can control that. And plus, I believe being the player that I am, I should lead the team in receiving. I should lead the team and receive it i should go to the pro bowl i should be an all pro y'all paying me this money no i don't need no more incentive i'm trust me i don't i don't i don't i don't need to be incentivized to do my goddamn

job no no no no no oh cho aziz shahir hit on Trevor Lawrence, boarded his $9 million guarantee for his 2025 salary due to the three-game suspension. Al-Shazir? Yeah, Al-Z, Al-Shier. Shire, okay, Al-Z, Al-Z, Al-Z, Al-Shire. Also missed out on $300 worth of game checks and extremely costly play.

Yeah. Very costly. And the fact that it affects that $9 million in 2025 Guarantee, you know, Joe. Guarantee, yeah. That's unbelievable, huh? Yeah. And you know, in Texas, they ain't got no state tax. Yeah. That's crazy young you know that's that's very crazy when you think about it in in hindsight

the game of football on where it where it has gone to now you know where it is now as opposed to where it was when we played in our day you know that, that's crazy. They not playing by their money. They not playing. They not playing. The NFL is covering their ass because there will never be another lawsuit. Nope. Make sure we're going to dot all our motherfucking I's

and cross all our T's because there won't be another era to come back and sue us 10 years down the line or 20 years down the line and win. Nope. That ain't happening. Nope. Not again. Why you think they cut out all those videos? I understand.

They cut out all those videos. Remember they used to have jacked up and hard hits? Yeah. Oh yeah. It was well promoted. Well promoted because it was a part of the game. Now they want it out.

And they love to call this, you know, player safety. I understand what you're trying to do. You're trying to protect that shield. Oh, yeah. You're trying to protect that money. You know, I understand it. I understand it totally. The Bengals, Ocho, you guys still have a milk chance, 2%.

This is how the Bengals get into the playoffs. The Bengals need Ocho, you guys still have a milk chance, 2%. This is how the Bengals get into the playoffs. The Bengals need to win out. Need the Colts to lose one of their next three games. They need the Dolphins to lose one of their next three games. They need the Broncos to lose out. Hey, to lose out? The Broncos got to lose out? Yep.

Okay. Can you do me a favor? Can you tell me the Broncos got to lose out? Yep. Okay. Can you do me a favor? Can you tell me the Broncos' next three games? Now, do they need to lose every game? Every game. Lose out. That's what lose out means. Yeah, I know what it means.

But I just don't like the Broncos are playing so well offensively and defensively. I don't see them losing out. They play y'all. They play y'all. They play Thursday night. They play the Chargers. They play y'all. They play Thursday night. They play the Chargers. They play y'all, and then they close off the season with the Chiefs. Oh, now there's a good chance.

You know what? There's a good chance y'all do go 1-3 now that I think about it. That's for one. I'm going to tell you right now. When the Bengals play the Broncos, we finna beat y'all ass. And when we go on the show that night, I don't want to hear you say foot or ball at all. I'm telling you right now. Who y'all got? I think y'all ass. And when we go on the show that night, I don't want to hear you say foot or ball at all. I'm telling you right now. Who y'all got?

I think y'all got the right. Do y'all got the Steelers again? I think we'd have the Steelers one more time if I'm not mistaken. Y'all got the Steelers, the Broncos. Who we close off with? Y'all got Browns, Broncos, Steelers.

Oh, yeah. You talk about a 2% chance? Yep. Forget 2%. There's a whole milk. There's a whole milk chance that we go to the playoffs and we squeeze in a little wild card spot. I'm telling you. I'm telling you.

I believe in my Bengals. I believe in us because of number nine. I believe in us because of Uno and goddamn T. Higgins. Now, our issue, which has always been, especially this goddamn season, is our defense. They happen to be our Achilles heel this year. I'm not sure why. I'm not sure why. I don't know what's going on.

But if we happen to get into the playoffs, I don't know what we're going to do defensively. I know what the hell we're going to do offensively. I know what one in five is going to give us. I know what Chase Brown is going to give us. I know one thing. We got to score 50. We got to score 50. We got to score 50.

It makes the other team score 45. That's it. All I know, we're going to go ahead and see what we're going to put y'all out to our misery on Thursday when we beat the Chargers. Hold on. So if y'all beat the Char that mean we out completely and no other circumstances nah y'all but see that was the scenario y'all need all of those scenarios damn

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