Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Celtics sold for $6Bil + Penny Hardaway joins the show

Episode Date: March 23, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top NBA stories of the week including the Boston Celtics being sold for $6 billion, Memphis basketball coach Penny Hardaway joining the show, and more!04:16 - Celtics sold for $6 billion15:33 - Penny Hardaway joins the show35:34 - Lakers vs. Nuggets Recap43:00 - Lakers vs. Suns Recap(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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has been sold for $6.1 billion, the highest price ever paid for a North American sports franchise in history. The Boston Celtics will have a new owner for the first time in more than two decades. Bill Chisholm, the managing partner of Symphony Technology Group, STG, will buy the franchise at a price of $6.1 billion.

The sale price is the largest for a North American franchise, topping the $6.05 billion the group led by Josh Harris paid for the Washington Commanders in 2023. And far surpassing the $4 billion that Phoenix Suns got from Matt Ishba when he brought the team the same year. The Grossbeck group brought the Boston Celtics, Ocho, for $360 million and now sells it for almost 20 times. In other words, what they call in business, 20X.

Most definitely. Ocho, if you had let's say $10 billion. Talk to me. You got $10 billion. Would you buy a sports franchise? Not only would I buy a sports franchise,

I'm buying three sports franchises. And I'm going to... What? Which one? Where? I'm going to tell you where I'm going to go. First of all, you listen to me. Okay.

Stay with me now. I'm listening. If I had $10 billion, for one, I'm going to talk to Mike Brown and Katie and Duke Tobin. That'd happen. Go somewhere else. That family, mom and pop, they ain't selling that. Boom.

So if I can't get that, I'm going to Naples, Italy. I'm going to buy Napoli. You know my love, enthusiastic passion for the game of soccer and the beautiful game. I want to own a franchise.

I don't want to be a minority owner. I'm talking about majority owner. I want to own Napoli. Do everything I win. Do everything in my power. Bring in all type of players, you know, because I'm going to have the money. I'm going to have the money to get the kind of team I want,

bringing superstars. Second thing I'm going to do, I'm going to buy the Miami Heat. I'm going to buy the Miami Heat. You think Mick Harrison goes, hold on, you just saw what the Celtics went for? How much money do you think you'll have to spend to get Napoli? Oh, to get Napoli? Oh, that's a good one. I'm not sure how much that franchise and the NTT will cost me.

But again, I'm going to get the Miami Heat. I'm going to have to remove Pat Riley because Pat Riley's way of doing things isn't conducive for business with today's era of players. And this is Miami. This is Miami, and players don't want to come play in Miami. Miami is a melting pot for ethnicities and culture. How does nobody want to come play here? No superstars. Listen, we got Bam.

We got Tyler Harrow. You drafted him. Again, I understand that, but we can't get any superstars we need one more Jimmy left so boom that's two Napoli and the Miami Heat now I'm not sure how much I'm going to have left over because I don't know how much Napoli would cost me

Chad you would probably know better than I can because you can do your homework for me real quick while we're talking about it and the rest of that I'm going to sit on and I'm going to open up a cigar lounge oh my goodness that's it about it and the rest of that I'm going to sit on and I'm going to open up a cigar lounge. Oh my goodness, oh that's it! 980 mil. So, you got... So, you got...

So, basically they're going to probably up charge so 10% so they're going to charge you a billion. So, you get a charge they're going to charge you a billion 1.1, okay. So, now you got 8.9, okay. NFL you want to get an NFL team? You told me I can't. You can't.

What about the Dolphins? You think Stephen Ross will sell me the Dolphins? He might be willing to sell you a majority share. How much are we talking about with a majority share of the Dolphins? What you think? Probably somewhere between two and a half and three and a half. That's done.

That is done. And listen, I'm manifesting this. I'm manifesting this. I hope from my mouth to God's ears. Maybe it can happen. Maybe it won't.

Let me dream big. I could dream big. If I shoot for the moon and I fall short, ain't no telling what's going to happen. Right. won't. Let me dream big. I could dream big. If I shoot for the moon and I fall short, ain't no telling what's going to happen. Yeah. Normally, Ocho, if a family-owned business, there need

to be internal chaos. We saw that with the Bolins. They ended up selling the franchise. But if there's not chaos, I don't believe the Cowboys will ever go for sale. Jerry Jones is going to have that in his trust

that the Cowboys are never to be sold. Now, once he's gone, I mean, hey, I'll be saying, but like Mike Brown, that's his dad. His dad started that franchise after he got out of Cleveland

because that's where the Browns get their names from. And now he went to – you know, Art Modell fired him and so forth and so on. Mr. Modell bought the team. And then he started the Bengals. Me, personally, Ocho, I don't believe they'll sell it. No, they wouldn't. But it's just a thought. It's just a thought.

Listen, where I was drafted where I created I left my footprint my stamp and just knowing that I could just being an owner of the place where I played at would be it just maybe they tell you a minority

share maybe they sell you 10 20% because it's just hard for me to see like even though I think she just passed Virginia McCaskey, who's the daughter of George Hallis, who founded the Bears. They've only had one owner. The Steelers and the Roonies. The Steelers have owned since 1933. Now, there was one year that I think the McClatchys owned it,

and they ended up getting it back. So the Roonies have been so basically since 1933. Okay, you got the Maras and the Tish's. They co-owned the Giants. Now it looks like they're willing to sell a minority stake, but no controlling

aspect. So basically, you know, you're going to get some money, but you don't get no say in the day-to-day operations of coaching and hiring and buying. Things like that. So I'm looking at team... I like that. I don't need no say in day-to-day operations. I want to be in the war room.

I want to be in the war room. Listen, also, I have an eye for talent. I have an eye for talent. I know what things need to look like. Listen, I just want to give my suggestions. I want to put on my suit and tie. I want to have my Beng pin i want to be on the i want to be on the golf court with mike brown when we go to training camp we watching the players you know um uh what you call it what you call it um and on his meeting on his meeting i'm at the owner's meeting you know nice in my

suit in in my suit in my tie. What else? NFL Combine, me and Duke Tobin. I'm sitting there with my pen and pad, you know. I got my stopwatch when everybody running the party. Owners don't be there, Ocho. I mean, most of the only owners there is Jerry. And I don't even know what Jerry showed up this year. Did Jerry

go to the Combine this year? Normally, owners don't go. They send their general managers. They send everybody, you know, general managers, your scout personnel, things of that nature. But that's me, I want to be hands-on. I want to be hands-on. If I get any type of minority share of the Bengals, you know, God willing, if God wants to

bless me with some type of fortune that comes out of nowhere, listen, I know, Mike Brown, Katie Choi, if this happens, please allow me to put in, you know Mike Brown, Katie, Troy, if this happens, please allow me to put in and be a part of where it all started. I think that would be a great thing. The fans would love that. Can you imagine me being minority owner of the Bengals,

also owning Napoli? It takes a lot of brain. Having a piece of the Miami Heat too? owning Napoli and then having some a piece of the Miami Heat too woo hoo hoo and you know what the good thing about it is someone like me if I was able to attain that type of wealth I'm one of the few people in the world

that wouldn't change I'd still be the same same old Ocho. You need to find me. I'm at McDonald's. You want to find me, you can find me at the Cuban spot. You know, just doing the same thing I always do. I like that.

I like that. From my mouth to God's ears. Yeah, you might better hope maybe buy the Vegas franchise for an NBA team or hope they get another team, you know, have somebody want to start another franchise. But it's hard. You're more apt to get somebody to move than they make it an odd number, 33, because you got 32 teams and you got 14 divisions. So that seems to be NFL kind of seems to be set.

It looks like, if anything, the NBA will add two franchises, one in Vegas, and it seems like Seattle is kind of the favorite since they lost to Supersonics, and you got Vegas. They got a football team. They got a soccer team. I mean, excuse me. They got a hockey team. Baseball is coming in a couple years.

They got a WNBA squad. So they'll have the four major sports. Now they get a basketball team, and it looks like that thing's going to go for $5, $6 billion. Hey. Hey, guys. I got Coach on the way. Can y'all hear me?

Yeah. We got you, Coach. Yeah, I got you. You got us? Yep. I got y'all. Okay. He's about to jump on.

Hey, excuse me. Sir, what's your name? Kirk. Kirk, I fucking love you yes sir I love you appreciate it I'm Michael Kassin founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company

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Penny, you got us? Yeah, Kirk's trying to get it right, my man. Kirk was just on. There it is. What's up? What's up? Penny was good. Man, we good. We good. What's up, Sean, man? Penny, you still owe me a one-on-one, man. What's good?

Hey, Ocho, you can get that. Okay, let me know. Hey, listen, Sean, man? You still owe me a one-on-one, man. What's good? Hey, Ocho, you can get that. Okay, let me know. I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do for you. I'm going to spot you five. You hear me? I appreciate that. I'm going to take them five. Penny was a four-time All-Star, three-time

All-NBA selection, and he's the head coach of the Memphis Tigers. Penny, you match up tomorrow against CSU, Colorado State. You feel comfortable with what you've been able to – your team going into this game? Because, you know, it's one and done now, Penny. It ain't no, hey, we get ready. Hey, we got to go back to work the next day.

You lose this game, your season's over. Yeah, we understand the magnitude of this, man. But this is what you want when you – you know, this is what you live for. When you're an athlete, you live for these days. So we understand the magnitude of what's going on. We understand that they're a really good team. But we are also. You know, and at the end of the day, we've got to come and compete.

They have a great offense, and they play physical on defense. All of that, you know, goes along with March Madness, man. We're ready for it. Hey, I want to talk about your NBA career real quick. Looking back at your NBA days, what are some moments on the court that still inspire your approach to the game today as a coach? Looking back at my game and how it inspired me is, I'm sorry. Looking back at your NBA days,

what are some moments on the court back then that inspired your approach to the game as a coach out there in Memphis? Well, it's just kill mode. You know, for me, everything I did on the court was kill mode. So I coached the same way. I put that battery in the back of my guy's back and I'm their biggest fan. I push them out there and give them the confidence and say, hey, man, be in kill mode and attack mode the entire game. Y'all both are the same way, man.

When y'all were on the field and I was on the court, every possession was to kill the dude that was in front of me. Penny, let me ask you this, Penny, because I ask a lot of great players, you know, had Isaiah on and I have Coach Prime who's a regular contributor. Penny, how do you do it when you're such a great

player and the game seemingly came easy to you even though you work? You can see things before they develop. How do you have the patience to realize that, you know what, these guys probably not going to be Penny Hardaway? How do you have the patience? Because you tell a kid something and then he F it up. You go over this in practice and he F it up. You do it in film study and you're like, son, we went went over this how do you have the patience to do what you do penny

man it's just one of those situations that we say back home was already understood doesn't have to be explained i understand that they won't be on the level mentally as me so i i it doesn't have to be explained so what i do is i put them in positions to win offensively and i put them in positions to win as a group defensively so it's all about team and then their individual uh gifts that they have I put them in those positions to be to be great and that's the best that's the best thing to do for me I know when I played I was God gifted I could I could play all over the court coaches gave me the ball but this guy might need to spot up he might need a pin down he might need to play out of closeout this guy might need an iso so to me the gift that God gave me the ball. But this guy might need a spot up. He might need a pin down. He might need to play out a closeout.

This guy might need an iso. So to me, the gift that God gave me was realizing the strengths and putting those guys in their strengths the entire game. And then that patience comes along with that because I'm putting them in a position to win. See, I like that.

Did you hear what he just said? Understanding your players' weaknesses and your strengths. Now, I'm not sure if it's easy to do as a basketball coach, but I wish from a football standpoint, especially at the highest level, if players or not players, if coaches, officer coordinators, understood what their players did well, I think it would make things much easier,

you know, being able to manipulate what you like to do based on your player strengths so everyone could play. So offensively, everything could be a little bit better. I love that mentality as a coach. Yeah, for sure, man. You know, because all these scouting reports are going to put them in their weaknesses. So we got to figure out a way to escape those weaknesses and put them in their strengths. I like that.

Penny, let me ask you this. The NIL or whatever the case may be, or Actives or whatever the case may be, it's made it a lot more difficult because, Penny, you can't get on a coach and coach a kid like they coach you or like you would want to coach because if you get too hard on them, Penny, they're going to jump in the portal on you. No doubt. Penny, how do you make sure you're trying to, like,

make a kid understand or get a kid to understand, son, I'm trying to put you in the best position that I possibly can to help you succeed without them taking offense to it and going somewhere like, well, hey, I'm not getting the minutes that I need. I'm going here. Or somebody coming in and saying, son, hey, I see you, and I can give you $250,000. I can give you $300,000.

How do you deal with that now, Penny? Because it's a lot different than when you played. I think that, you know, what I try to do is make it a partnership and not be all 100% about me. And when I give the guys the money, right, when they come in as a basketball player, I'm going to try to make you as comfortable as possible, but then you got to give me something as well.

You know, the worst coaches to play for are the coaches that, all right, they're going to come in and change everything that you've ever done in your life and make you somebody that they didn't recruit or somebody that they didn't get out of free agency, right? So I'm not that coach. When I get you and come and get Shannon Sharp and Ojo, I know who y'all are already. I'm going to put you in this situation, and we're going to have a partnership.

It ain't going to just be all about me. And when you do that and you stand on the truth with everything that you tell this young man, then they respect that, man, and the respect factor goes a long way. You know when you respect your coach, you'll run through a wall. You don't want no butthole coach. then they respect that man. And the respect factor goes a long way. You know, when you respect your coach, you'll run through. Yes. Yeah. You don't want no butthole coach.

You don't want no coach. It's going to be, you know, all about being anal all the time, being negative all the time and not really trying to see your side of things. Because in today's game, you got to see the other kid. You got to see his side and our,

and our era, the coach said what he said, and we just did it. That was it. Yeah. You got out. Let was it. Yeah. You got it? Let me ask you this. What happens when a player comes to you and says, Coach, I need more minutes?

I ain't getting the minutes, so I'm going to have to leave. If he's not getting the minutes, that means he doesn't deserve the minutes. So I'll stand on the truth. If you ain't getting the minutes you want, that means you ain't stepping up to the plate and putting the work in. We need to work on the unrequired hours as well, not just coming to practice and think you're going to get shots up. But what are you doing to affect winning positively, not negatively? You're affecting the winning negatively because you're not coming to

the gym, you're not watching film, you're not getting extra work and waiting on your moment and being ready, staying ready so you don't have to get ready. A lot of these guys come to the gym during practice. They might make a couple bucks, but they don't sprint the lane. They don't get a stick hand up. They don't take charges. They're not playing tough, multiple efforts. And that's what's going to get you on the floor with me. If you're not on the floor, then you're not stepping up to the plate to what we're needing you to do. And we give it to them in black and white. We have non-negotiables. These are non-negotiables. If you're not doing these non-negotiables at a high level, you can't get many minutes. And if you're getting minutes, it's going to be small until you get to the level where you can do those at a high level.

And now, coaching that way, with that type of transparency, do the players react well like that? As opposed to, you know, you got to think about it. Today's era, everybody is getting participation trophies. They patting you on the back just for simply being a part of, even when you're not doing things the right way. Do they react well to that type of honesty and transparency? They react well to the truth because I love on them as well.

You know, I'm going to be getting in the gym with you. If you're ready to get in the gym, I'm ready. If you're ready to watch film, I'm ready. I'll take them out to lunch. Whatever it needs to happen for us to get that connection to understand, I need you, but you got to do your part too. You're just not going to be given this. And I know what Shannon said, that they'll transfer.

But when you have that bond and you give them an opportunity, you meet me halfway, I'll meet you halfway, and you stand on the truth. That truth is everything. They respect that more. I've had the guys respect that more. You've been at Memphis now for seven seasons. At any point in time in your NBA playing career, did you ever think you'd be a college coach or any coach?

Nah, not really. I was going to be in TV. I was going to go to ESPN, TNT, and do that thing. I wasn't even thinking about coaching at all. Obviously, I had the background, being a point guard, understanding the game, and I've always loved teaching and developing players, but never thought I was going to be a college coach hey would you now I'm going to say that I like the fact that you transition into coaching and obviously you might you might want to do tv with as much

knowledge of the game that you do have playing it at a very high level being very successful at it and now coaching like are there any unexpected challenges you have being that you know the game so well at the collegiate level uh yeah because you you you don't they don't see it like you you want them to see it like you but it's also a challenge to me to to develop and teach until I get it that's the that's the drive for me right that's the drive for me to get this young man when he comes in in June to be ready by the time the season starts and as the season goes on to keep teaching him and see him develop into a really good player because every kid that comes to my team that's been a good player somewhere else,

they become a great player here because I'm so invested in each young man on their skill set, their mental, off-the-court things. It's a full-time job. It's not just being a coach. Man, that's bad. Penny, when you shot Blue Trips, did you know much about Shaq, and what did you expect to come out of that movie?

Did you ever think, like, damn, man, I sure wish I could play with this fella? You know, we had an Olympic festival. It was like North, South, East, West teams in the summertime. It was held in Minnesota. And Shaq and I played on the same team for like a half a summer, maybe a month, month and a half or whatever. And we got to know each other, you know, a little bit. But Blue Chips, I used that platform to show Shaq who I was.

The whole being about that movie was to get Shaq to understand that he needed me. I auditioned for him, not the movie, to make it look like Orlando. I did that. I did that. I did that every day. Peter, have you ever thought about, man, if my knee,

because I think you had a knee issue. You tried to come back. You end up having, did you end up having microfracture on that knee? I did. The microfracture took me out. I had seven knee surgeries altogether, but the last one was microfracture. That was it.

Same knee, left knee. If I'm not mistaken, I think that's where they drain into the bone. They drill into the bone. Try to let it drain. Try to make it, let it heal on its own. And some people have had microfracture and it worked. I think Rod Woodson, he had microfracture. I think Bruce Smith had microfracture.

And they've had eight, ten-plus years of great play. It kind of robbed you of your lift. And now you got chronic knee problems. Did you ever think in your wildest dream when you first had this injury that this was the beginning of the end? You know, I didn't. But the thing that was so crazy was I was playing in Phoenix and we were playing the Lakers.

The United Lakers won the championship in 0-2, and I was playing with a torn meniscus. I tore my meniscus in the first round against San Antonio, and I kept playing, and I got a quarter zone shot every other day just to make it through the playoffs. Okay. Y'all know how that is, right? I do.

I was playing with a torn meniscus, and Tim Duncan, who was much much smarter than me he set out that series and didn't play anymore and just kind of rested and you know what happened after that his greatness or whatever but it did rob me because after I got done with the Lakers series I still was I had spring I had quickness if you looked in that series I was about 20 a game we took those guys to six games and obviously lost after that i didn't need the microfracture i just needed that that meniscus area prepared and man i got them that uh microfraction that took me out because i still had bouncing spring even though i was feeling some pain i still had my quickness i still had my power after that microfracture man my quad depleted and i never got my quad straight back like ever yeah that's the biggest thing

Penny when you have those surgeries it's the surrounding muscles to get that strength back and people realize oh my knee feel good but if that quad if that hamstring if that calf if those attached muscles if they're not repaired it's not going to fire and it's not going to be able to

your stability that's your stability to be able to sustain that up-down because you're doing this every night. Back then, Penny, y'all played 75 – at least 75 games. It wasn't no low management where you take 15 games out, you miss 15, 20 games. You miss 15, 20 games, you were injured. It wasn't no, oh, yeah, Penny got denied off because, you know,

he doesn't play the back-to-back. He's got to play three games in a week, so we're going to get Penny the next game off. There was none of that. No, there was none of that at all. But the biggest thing about me, I was going to play for my fans. I knew people would come to the game to see me, so I wasn't missing no games.

That was really, really hurt. I like it. I like it. I like it. Don't you? No, I had to ask all my good, juicy questions, but I'm good. I'm just ready for this one-on-one, boy. That's it.

We can get that in. Peter, you grew up in Memphis. You played at Memphis. You coach at Memphis. Is there a scenario where you could see yourself leaving Memphis? Man, that'd be tough. That would be tough. I mean, everybody know I bleed blue, man.

And it got kind of rocky last year, so I didn't know where it was where it was gonna go but honestly i want to win a championship for my city i really do you know something that comes about um you know we'll cross that road but everybody that knows me knows that that blue is in my heart man right pity tell the story how you got the name because i think you told the name your grandma was calling you pretty and they thought you're saying Penny and so tell the story how you got the name. I was living with my mother until I was five and then my mom left me with my grandmother so when I moved to my mom's area of the neighborhood she used to call me pretty

and with her southern accent it sounded like Penny honestly and one day somebody called my house and was like can I speak to Penny because they thought she was saying Penny and and was like, can I speak to Penny? Because they thought she was saying, you know, Penny. She was like, there's no Penny that lives here. And I was like, grandmother, that's me. And that's how it just stuck from that point.

I just started letting everybody call me Penny. That's loud. See, now we understand. Now y'all understand how Glorilla, how she sound. She from the same. She from the same name. Yeah, Glo. She from the same area as Penny. Penny, thank. Yeah, Glo. She's from the same area

as Penny. Penny, thank you for joining us, bro. Good luck. Good luck tomorrow night. Good luck throughout the tournament. And when you cut down

the nets, come back and join your, come back and join your boys. I will. And we're going to get that one on our show. I got you, baby, man. I salute you, baby.

All right, same, brother. Hey, one more thing, Penny, before you go, I need them Galaxy phone posits. I know you got them here. What size? 12. No, 13, 13.

13, 13. You got that coming. You got that coming. They're going to be there. As soon as I get back home, I got them out. Appreciate it, Penny. Take care. No doubt.

All right. All right. Mr. One sent himself. Penny Hardaway, great dude, man. Ocho. I don't know, like, this chat, how many people remember watching Penny play, but he was a wizard with the basketball. He was supposed to be the next Magic Johnson,

a guy that was 6'7 and a half. He could score the difference between me and Magic. Magic couldn't score like Penny. Penny could really score the basketball and could play with his back. But he was a big guard like Magic. Magic 6'9. Penny 6'7. We hadn't seen point guards like that.

That can handle the ball like... Handle it. And then think about him and Shaq. Him and Shaq. In the pick and roll. The lob. Penny getting downhill. Can finish at the rim. Everything. He had the mid-range.

Had a nice float game. And that Andrew, like you said, he said he just needed his meniscus cleaned up. They ended up doing microfracture, and he never recovered. He never recovered, Ocho. God, man, I hate injuries, man. And you know sometimes guys get surgeries, and you're like, damn. Guys have back surgery. Look at Gronk.

Gronk had a back surgery in college. Went on, had a Hall of Fame career. Like I said, Rod had microfactor. Bruce Smith, if I'm not mistaken, had microfactor. They played another eight, nine years. Penny, it was downhill after that. Go ahead, Ochoa. I think about some of the injuries, man,

to some of our greats. Some of our greats were me, where they weren't able to finish their story. Penny Hardaway, the Peter Warwick's, the Derek Rose, Brandon Roy, Greg, old guys.

Like so many dudes. And I wish, I wish technology was a little bit more advanced when they were playing. So they could finish better. They could finish their careers the way they should have because injuries have robbed us to some great stories Uncle. Some great unfinished stories. Because you know back then Ocho they did

that big surgery they split you had everybody you remember when I first got into the league it had that big scar right down the middle that big zipper. But now to take the incision of so small they done got the way they could they take part of your patella tendon and repair it. They do cadavers.

They do, man, technology, medical. Modern medicine has improved so much. I mean, normally if you had an Achilles, that was a death sentence. You had an ACL, that was a death sentence. Now, guys come back stronger, better than ever.

Like, hold on. Because look at Thomas Davis. Thomas Davis had three ACL surgeries and came back ever. Like, hold on. Because look at Thomas Davis. Thomas Davis had three ACL surgeries and came back and played 15, 16 years. Went to the Pro Bowl. Was, I think, a first or second team All-Pro. Man, it was, you know, when you look at it, Ojo, it's – but to watch him, because I'm old enough to remember. I remember him at Memphis.

I remember him going to Orlando because they made the swap. They traded Chris Webber because Orlando got back-to-back number one overall picks. And they ended up trading Chris C. Webb. He ends up going to go, if I'm not mistaken, thinking he goes to Golden State. And then Orlando swaps out and they get Penny. That thing was something of beauty. Damn.

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Yoke, Jamar Murray was out. LeBron, Rui was out. Luka, 31 points, nine rebounds, seven assists. Luka, it's his 230-point game. He had a 20-point quarter and a 20-point half. So he had it going early. Austin Reeves had it going early. I mean, for like the first quarter, they could not miss a three.

They had 45 points in the first quarter. Stepped off the gas a little bit in the second quarter. Let them get back into the ballgame. Stepped on the gas again on the third quarter. Blew the game open. I think the Nuggets scored 31, 32 points in the fourth quarter, but it wasn't nearly enough. Yoke, excuse me, Luka, 31 points, nine rebounds, seven assists.

His 230-point game, Austin Reeves had 22.8 assists. But I thought the Lakers played really well. They set the tempo early. They didn't play down to the level of competition, knowing two of their best players was out. And sometimes you get that, Ocho. The Warriors made that mistake the other night. They looked at it like, oh, Murray not playing.

Oh, Yoke not playing. And the next thing you know, you find yourself with an L hung on you. But watching the game, Ocho, what you thought about the Lakers and how they looked tonight? I mean, it was impressive. It was very impressive. Not only did Luka come out and set the tone in the first quarter with 22 in the first quarter.

Actually, Luka set the tone for the game, what he did in the first quarter, coming out with 21 points in the first quarter. And everybody played well. Most of the time, what happens is when you play a team that doesn't have a player like Murray playing and the other, what's his name? Joker.

Lokic. Okay, Lokic. Lokic. I don't know why I keep calling him Joker. Lokic playing, you play down to your competition. Most of the time, you end up losing, similar to how the Warriors did the other night. But obviously the Lakers didn't do that.

They did slow down at some point, but it wasn't enough for the Nuggets to get back in the game, and they eventually ended up winning the game. So, I mean, it was a good game. Obviously the superstars are out. You would have liked to have seen Jokers playing, Ann Murray, LeBron healthy, Luka playing just to see a team at full strength

to see what the game would have been like. Yeah, I thought the Lakers, I thought JJ had a good game plan, but when the shots are playing, damn the game plan. I thought they moved the ball early. I think sometimes the Lakers get careless. There are times, look, you just have to accept Luka is going to try some things. I mean, he's going out of bounds,

and he tried to throw a pass behind his back. Turnover. And that's what allowed the Nuggets to make this run. They started turning the ball over in the second quarter. Hold on. What he did? Going out of what? He's going out of bounds and tried to throw the ball behind his back

to a guy right there up under the basket. I was like, Lord, have mercy, Luca. But that's Luca. You have to accept the good with the bad. Right. That's his game. That's how he plays. And you have to be willing to roll with it.

You got to think about it. When it comes to him, now you do some things you don't like. You got to accept the good with the bad. But there's more good than bad when it comes to him when he's playing. Yeah, for sure. A.R., man, A.R.'s been great. I like this game, but you could tell. And you look at him from the time he got there to where he is now,

he's immensely better. You can tell he's a student of the game. You can tell he put time in on his game. You can tell that it's important to him, and that's what I like to see. Regardless of the sport you play, it needs to mean something to you. You've got to want to get better. You can't rest on your laurels.

Yeah, he got a three-year contract, probably paying him like $13, $14 million. He said, nah, I want one of them Big Daddies. I want one of them 200s. And he going to get it. And he would have earned it. He would have earned it. And you see why the Lakers were so unwilling to part ways with him.

Everybody in every trade always tried to include him. And a lot of trades broke down because the Lakers were unwilling to part ways with him. They saw the improvement. They saw the maturation. Getting better from the three. Getting better at finishing at the rim. Niles handles. He's putting the ball on the floor.

Got the nice snatch pull. He's really, he's turned himself into an all-star caliber player. And I understand that there are a lot of great guards. And, you know, you got to get back Steph. And you got Ja. And you got Shea Gilgis. And you got Harden. You got some Kyrie.

You got some really good guards in the Western Conference. But, man, the way he's playing, he's an all-star caliber player. And he can handle the ball. LeBron has trusted him for a very, very long time. If you go back and look at that Memphis Grizzlies series, he actually won them a game. LeBron's like, nope, don't give the ball to me. You take it.

Go win the game for us. And he's done that. So I just love the way he's improved, how he's gotten better, and this Laker team, I think if they get healthy, I think they can be dangerous. I still think they're a big short, but hey, we'll see

what happens when the rubber needs to meet the road. Yeah, listen, you know the game of basketball very well. So does everybody else. Everyone else with the knowledge of the game of basketball has said the same thing about the Lakers. They don't have a big. In order to compete, in order to go as far as you need to go, you're going to have to have a big.

And they just don't have it. We're going to see what they can do with that two-headed muscle. Once LeBron comes back, we'll see what happens. Well, because they're going to be small. Once Jackson Hayes goes out of the lineup, they're small. I mean, Coloco, he's okay.

A little small. Height, okay. Height's fine, but he just don't have enough bricks in his back pocket. And so, you know, people can just uproot him and just move him off the spot. Off the spot, yeah. Yeah. But, you know, I mean, and there are going to be some times that probably LeBron's going to have to slide to the five. And, you know, I mean, because really, if you really think about it,

there's not a whole lot of guys that have, you know, Rudy Gobert is not going to cause you any damage. Basically, you know, they got Hardenstein. They got Chet Horngan. But when you look at Memphis, Zach Eady, he's just a big body. He just sits screens and stuff like that. Yeah, taking a space.

So, you look at the teams. Now, Sung-Goon now, he can be a problem for the Rockets. Yes, sir. Yeah, he's an all-star. He's an all-star for a reason. But, like I said, I like the Lakers. LeBron gets healthy. Luka is Luka come playoff time. He's an all-star for a reason. But like I said, I like the Lakers. LeBron gets healthy. Luka is Luka come playoff time.

He has the third high scoring. No, he has the second high scoring average in playoff history. With that being said, LeBron healthy. LeBron is a top five in playoff history as far as scoring. They can do some damage, but I just wish they had another big. I don't know why they signed Alex Lynn.

Hey, Uncle, you ain't been too high on brother. I don't know why they signed Alex Lynn. Hey, you ain't been too high on brother Lynn, baby. What's wrong with brother Lynn? He's about he's probably about 35 days away from being the tallest coach in history. That's his next profession.

It ain't going to be in the NBA. It's going to be coaching basketball somewhere. Maybe high school. Ocho, Ocho, the Lakers stopped the bleeding today after a four-game skid in which they saw them go from the two seed all the way to the five seed. They got 33 points, 11 rebounds, 8 assists from Luka. They got 28 points from Alistair Reeves.

Jackson Hayes matched the season high with 19. And they win 107-96. Kevin Durant had 21 points. Devin Booker had 19 for the 11th place Suns. The Lakers failed three spots during the West.

They lost all four games. They were on the road, Ocho, and currently a stretch of brutal with seven games in 10 days, including five at home in seven days. A lot of this had to do with, you remember when they had to fire the wildfires in L.A.? They had to make up those games. They got to make up a game in which San Antonio was supposed to play. That game got postponed, so now it got sandwiched in here,

and so now they got to play. LeBron missed his fourth straight game, but Coach Reddick said LeBron is ramping up towards a return. Probably won't be back until the end of the week, but couldn't come at a better time because they needed to stop the hemorrhaging

today. They were able to do that, but they're not out of the woods because if I'm not mistaken, they still got the Nuggets up on the skid mistaken, they still got the Nuggets. Denver? Yeah, they got the Nuggets. They got San Antonio. I think they got San Antonio on the 17th.

That's tomorrow. Wait. Wimby not playing, is he? No, no, Wimby is done. Yeah. But I thought the Lakers played really good. They needed this type of game from Luka. Luka and Austin Reed, basically, they led the charge.

Jackson Hayes did a great job of rolling to the rim. That's what Luka wants. Luka wants a guy big, that's agile, that's athletic. He doesn't need to be the best shooter. Can you catch lobs? How many lobs did Luka throw him? How many lobs did A.R. throw him? And that's what you need. Hey, just run to the rim, son. Hey,

when they come to Dublin, which they're going to do, they did a lot of that late in the ballgame to try to get the ball out of Luka's hands, and rightfully so. And Luka, great awareness, throw it up, Jackson Hayes brings it down, dunks it home. So, I would

have loved, man, I just want LeBron to come back and not have any setbacks and see how this thing plays out for the final, you know, 17, 18 games of the regular season. But I like the way they played today. Got some great production. Gabe Vinson came in and gave them some quality minutes. But they did a great job. KD did not shoot the ball well from the floor KD did not shoot the ball well from the floor.

Book did not shoot the ball well from the floor. Bradley Beal did not shoot the ball well from the floor. Hell, I'm not so sure Bradley Beal even scored a point. Did Bradley Beal even – I'm serious, Ocho. Right. Did Bradley Beal even score, Ash? If he did, he had minimal points. He had four points on Joe.

See? Yeah, I think they really got themselves. He's on one of two players that have a no trade. He and LeBron. They really want to move on from Bradley Beal, but he don't want to go nowhere. It's a conversation. It's a conversation that needs to be had. Him asking, them asking him, is there somewhere you want to move on from Bradley Beal, but he don't want to go nowhere. It's a conversation. It's a conversation that needs to be had.

Him asking, them asking him, is there somewhere you want to go where you would like to play? I kind of like it here. The weather's nice, sunshine. No, there's no place I want to go. I don't think that's true, because he would put forth a little bit more effort, especially when it comes to playing and contributing to them offensively. All I'm saying, they offered him an opportunity.

Where do you want to go? I mean, the team's got to want you. Right. You don't think a team would want him? Yeah, but not the team that he potentially wants to go to. Oh, I see. I see what you mean. I see what you mean.

Yes. Go to. Ocho, this is where you do it. You need to be with the girl that likes you, not the girl that you like. You see? Go to the team that wants you, not to the team that where you want to go. Because the girl that likes you is going to treat you accordingly. The girl that you like,

listen, I ain't going to go to our Joe. Joe, we're not going to do that today. Joe, we're not going to get it there. You ain't got to do it today. You come around to it.

That's what you need to do. Yeah. See, that's the problem. He wants to go to a team that he won't. Not the team that wants him. Hey, using that analogy where people can better understand it, I like that. I like that. I'm just saying, Ocho, that's like.

Hey, Ocho, you need to write that down. Oh, hey, that's one I, you need to write that down. Oh, that's one I don't have to write down. I've always lived by that. Because, you know, you give me your new, how do you say it? If you give me your you know what to kiss, I'll write that. Don't worry about it. Hey, one thing about it, the line is very long.

Yeah. You hear me? The line is very long. Ocho, sometimes you gotta... Ocho, hold on. With those who actually will appreciate and love. Well, you know what?

The dough closed now. Ocho, let me ask you this. Yeah. When someone gives you their butt to kiss, what did you do to make them pull their pants down and turn around and say, kiss my butt? Did you do

anything to facilitate that? Yeah. Yeah. How you gonna be mad? But Sugar ain't mad. I ain't mad at all. No, but I'm saying how you going to be upset talking about they give you a butt to kiss

when it was you had they ever given you their butt to kiss before? In general? Yes. I'm just speaking hypothetically. I'm saying in general. Oh, yeah, hypothetically speaking?

Yeah, always. We always as individuals, we always do things to get people to that point where it's like, oh, you know what? Man, good. You done had to. to that point where it's like, oh, you know what? Man, good. You done had to. No.

Yeah. It's life. It's life. Yeah. But, you know, I mean, it happens. It happens. Yeah. But like you said, you always choose who choose you. Always.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, hey, get your little But like you said, you always choose who choose you. Always. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, hey, get your little, hey, Unc a little reclamation project. Don't nobody want to fix old Unc up. Hey, I'm a reclamation project. I ain't a finished project. I'm a reclamation project.

I mean, I need a new roof. Hey, listen, we all are a work in progress. You just have to find someone that's willing to work with you. Everybody wants a finished product. Ain't no such thing. There's no such thing as a finished product

regardless of how it look. It look good on the outside, but it's a whole lot of work to get done on the interior. ain't nothing wrong with that you just gotta have the right person that is willing to help you you know get through that that process yeah sometimes yeah it's the outside sometimes you go inside you look at it man that house you go inside like damn yeah man this is you did an unbelievable job. And sometimes it's women like that. Sometimes the prettiest women on the outside

are the ugliest on the inside. And sometimes it's vice versa. Right, right. Yeah, I can't quite speak on that. Listen, everyone that has been a part of my life in any facet, way, shape or form has been phenomenal. They've been phenomenal.

You know? I can really say. I can really say. They've been great in my growth as a man, as a father. So I like that. I haven't experienced what you just said in that

sense, but that's, that's a good one. I haven't had the experience. So I've been lucky. I still got some work to do though. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen.

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