Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Chad responds to Cam’ron, Luka’s off-court habits, Diana Taurasi retires

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson responds to Cam’ron going off on Ocho for working with Shannon Sharpe instead of him. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss the Dallas Mavericks feeling apprehensive about Luka Doncic smoking hookah and drinking beer, the GOAT Diana Taurasi announces her retirement after a legendary 20-year professional career and much more!05:30 - Show start06:50 - Intro09:00 - Ocho responds to Cam’ron23:31 - Luka’s triple-double against Mavs26:30 - Luka’s smoking and hookah use40:42 - Dwayne Wade on LeBron James leaving 50:13 - Kevin Durant expected to be traded56:10 - R.I.P. NBA Cental 1:00:00 - Diana Taurasi announces retirement (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We pull out all the stuff. Okay. When you sign up for Shake Shake Media, there's no length we won't go through to make sure. Hold on. Can I get one of them? Yeah. Okay. See, we're having a small discrepancy now. This is the second time.

I just got this today. You got something and I don't have something. I just got it today. Okay, well, listen. If they sent you one, you're supposed to ask for two. Two of everything. When you win an award, you ask for two awards. Ocho, we're going to make sure.

Yours is at your grandma's house. So go over there and get it. Yeah. Okay, okay. Why are you telling me that? Actually, it was delivered two weeks ago. But that's neither here nor there. But anyway, we're going to keep moving right along.

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I hate lateness. Oh, oh, oh. Whose fault was it? Was it your your fault it was my fault absolutely listen when when I'm late that the few times I was late you getting on me telling me I'm unprofessional so technically you've been unprofessional I was trying to see the difference is I was trying to make us some money I was at some meetings trying to make some money okay hold on hold on now we're not gonna make excuses no no the point is the show do you want this money yes or no let me let me finish let He's trying to make some money. Okay, hold on. Hold on now. We're not going to make excuses. No, no, no. The point is the show starts at 10 o'clock. Do you want this money?

Yes or no? Let me finish. Let me finish. Okay. Regardless of what you're doing, you knew you had to make us some money long before 10 o'clock was going to come. So you need to...

Let me finish. Okay. You need to schedule whatever it is, whatever business you need to do ahead of time so that you're on time. This is unprofessional. You wouldn't do this at ESPN.

You wouldn't do this at Club Shea Shea. Well, don't do it here. Absolutely. I would do it here. Absolutely. Club Shea Shea for this. What I had to do today, yeah, Club Shea Shea would have got canceled. I did have to take a rain check.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hey, this sounds good. Now talk to me. ESPN 2. Hold on. I'd, hold on. Hey, this sounds good. Now talk to me. ESPN 2. Hold on. I'll call Stephen A. Stephen A, unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to join you today. Hold on, hold on.

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So the floor is yours. Oh, absolutely. Listen, listen, Cam, Cam has some stuff to say. And I had to think about it and I had to listen to it and think about some stuff that was brought up from two years ago where I said, Cam, you my mans and I'm coming for your spot Now I'm not sure How that's taking this hate When all you have to do is understand that I'm saying I'm coming for your spot Because I see you as the standard

That is setting the bar In that specific space So you took that as an insult Which is weird to me I'm not sure how you can do that But if you check the motherfuck If you check the numbers What I, if you check the numbers, what I said I was

going to do, I've already done. And surpassed that in this specific space. Now, he said he asked me to come join them, you know, to do something with them. And I told him, you know, okay, you got to check with my people. You got to reach out to my people

who, when it was time for me to work with you, what did I ask you to do to reach out to my people who when i when it was time for me to work with you what did i ask you to do uh reach out to who i talked to dog you talked to dog so boom we didn't you know like that right that's the way i handle business you know i don't run nothing through me so i guess that was seen as a sign of disrespect because I chose to come over here with you. Boom. Okay. Now, we brought up the issue with he talking about money and bags and how much you pay guest feature. You know how much we pay our guest features. Buddy, I ain't no guest feature.

Well, I'm the main attraction. What is you talking about? I've always been the main attraction. There's a difference. In your your lane you do what you do i'm in i'm in completely different lanes and completely different rooms from you despite me always playing around and joking it's different for one you wouldn't have been able to forward me to begin with let's start there and i'm not trying to be disrespectful i'm not trying to be disrespectful i think because i do everything entertaining fun laughing way you kind of forget and don't really understand what's being done over here and how special what we have is and that's no

disrespect to them because i like they show i love it is what it is because it's different than what we do. Their views, they got some high ones. But it's mainly about going at people and jigging at people, you know. Over here, it's about having fun, entertaining, and the stories. Completely different. Two different shows. I love them, though. Yeah.

Then, you know, Cam, he's a Harlem dude. I've been to Harlem. My face is clean in Harlem. Most of the time, those that I know from Harlem, you know, they don't act like that. You get a little emotional for nothing, especially about stuff. That's not a legend what happened two years ago, two years ago. And it was,

it was a sign of respect because I see you as the standard of what it is to be the best at in this space. Then the Stephen, eight, the Stephen, eight thing you talk about weird. And I don't like, you don't like my vibes.

Listen, for one, the whole world know I'm joking and trolling it's a it's a it's a funny story that wasn't even true to begin with and you took that serious so then now you're getting personal with the words and the talking i post my location where i'm at every day on what you tell me to stop doing stop catching rides from the airport right yeah everybody know where i am every single day no matter what city i travel to Every day. What you tell me to stop doing? Stop catching rides from the airport, right? Everybody know where I am every single day, no matter what city I travel to. I'm outside all the time. If it was really an issue or you really didn't like me and it was a problem, I'm easy to find.

Especially in Miami. If I'm not mistaken, you'll be here. Y'all feel me if I'm not mistaken? I show everybody respect, huh? I show everybody love. What's one problem that you've always gotten on me about doing a show like this? I don't do enough what? When it comes to talk about players.

Yeah, you don't critique enough. I don't critique enough because I'm always showing love. I'm always showing respect no matter what. I never get out of line with nobody. Right. But the words that were displayed is if it's a personal issue. Now, if it's a personal issue, which I've never had with anybody because I always show everybody love and respect, I'm easy to find because I'm outside. Always.

In Harlem, too. That's the stomping grounds, right? I'm outside. Always. In Harlem too. That's the stomping grounds, right? I be on recordos. All the time. Matter of fact, I'm going to be in New York Monday. And I'm going to be at recordos. At 5 o'clock. To be exact.

But it's always love. No, never disrespect. And that's it. And I love you. And I love you. Unless you want to go another route. The way I look at it, Ocho, I think you explained too much.

You did what you did. You don't represent yourself. Most people, that's why you hire representation. If you didn't want representation, you could have done it on yourself. And yeah, you could save three, five, 10%, but you chose to have a representative that funnels everything through. I reached out to Doug because I knew Doug was your representative. I didn't reach out to you first. I reached out to Doug. I said, hey man,. I didn't reach out to you first. I reached out to Doug. I said, hey, man, what's up with Ocho? I want to run something by Ocho.

Funny, Ocho in town. Hey, can we meet at the Palm? And such and such, such and such a time. You showed up. I made the pitch to you. You said, Uncle, I'm good. I said, well, don't even worry about the money. I trust you.

So that's how we handle that. Like I said, look, people like me, I say, bro, y'all got to know what Ocho's serious and y'all got to know what Ocho's joking. Y'all don't seem to know which is which. So that's on y'all. I know when he's joking. I know when he's being serious. But for me,

Ocho, and we had this conversation and you hit me up yesterday, I say, for me, I just let it rock. I felt just then you explained too much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, sometimes you got to clear the air, right? You got to clear the air because then you have an issue, right? Well, he could have called you, Ocho.

If that was the case, if he had an issue with you, he could have reached out the phone, and he could have called you. That's how I know it wasn't an issue. It wasn't an issue for real. You have a show to do. He has a show to do. He has a show to do. I understand that.

I understand that. But the disrespect. You don't have to like me. I don't care about that part. Get in line. It's a lot of them. Right. But the disrespect like that,

and then you got the wrong people hearing it, and it's ruffling feathers. It really shouldn't be ruffling because I don't move like that. Never have. I think the thing is... But anyway, and then hold on.

Oh, and this is another thing. What? Hold on. Didn't talk about the money and the pocket watching I have a question do they understand how many jobs I have

I'm just curious no I got 50 left jobs then you being slick at the mouth talk about if you need a job I ain't hiring no more

this me what are we talking about there's levels to everything if you need a job, I ain't hiring no more. Unc, this me. What are we talking about? There's levels to everything. You in one lane. I got about 50 left of them. There's a difference. But because I play around and have fun with it,

for some reason you think we on the same level it ain't never been that even when you was in your prime there's a difference i wouldn't i wouldn't i'm i'm i'm humble well see no no i am glad but see when everybody was coming for her, you were like, oh, baby, I tried to tell you. They were going to come for you. What did I tell you? What did I tell you? I was your enforcer, right? You know enforcer.

I just let that itch go. Listen, I said I was your enforcer. I'm not saying anything wrong. I'm just addressing what was addressed towards me in a respectful way still. Right. As a small reminder. For me, Ocho, the reason why I stopped and I said I'm not going back and forth with nobody

and there have been a couple of guys still taking shots, they got too much money at stake. I'm not... Oh, yeah. Oh, hey. Say it again one more time. There's too much money at stake. What?

Too much money at stake. Yeah. Oh, a lot of it. Master P and Gilly say, boy, if you ain't careful, they'll trick you out your spot. They're not going to get me at this spot. No, no, no. That ain't even happening. That ain't going to happen.

So I would say, whatever issue y'all may or may not have, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know anything about this. All I know is that Ocho, you and I, hey, we do nightcap. We do what we do, and we keep it moving. Hold on, hold on. We don't talk about anybody else on their podcast, no matter what they say about us, no matter what they do, whatever

their numbers are, whatever their views, whatever their downloads, whatever advertising or sponsorship they have, congratulations, because what I know, 80% of the money that's in circulation was printed in 2020 moving forward. so guess what if the government runs out of money they'll print more there's enough for everybody that choose to

do this yeah uh nightcap uh all the smoke the pivot it is what it is whoever uh a podcast p whoever have a podcast there ain't no reason for us to be beefing. Joe Rogan ain't beefing with Carl or Daddy. They're not beefing with Caleb. They're not beefing with Theo Vaughn. I don't know why we got issues. Listen, we don't have no issues. Why we got to address it?

Listen, you listen. Wait, listen to me. This is what you got to do. You know, if somebody says something, then it's our right to respond it is in a and listen to me let me finish that in a in a respectful way in a respectful way what there's a misunderstanding because for one like i said what was said in that tweet out two years ago it was it was a sign of respect well i'm coming for your spot because i see you as that boy. You should have addressed it then. Why address it now?

Because it's good. It's good. It's not a bad thing, huh? You know? But again, I always show love and respect to everybody. Always. Now, you don't have to like me, but you will respect me. And listen, if there is an issue, I post everywhere I'm at

and will never change that. Everywhere. Well, can we move on now? Because I think we've given them 17 minutes too much of our time. Oh, wait a minute. That's what this is about. That's what this is about.

It is what it is. You know, we love what they do. I love what they do You feel me It's a funny show Them boys funny You know We got our own

We got our own thing We do our thing in our lane Like you say It's enough room for everybody We ain't finna let nobody Trick us out our spot No Absolutely not

Especially about that money Cause I got Fifty eleven kids to raise And I got a goddamn new house i got to decorate now we'll be at we good huh we good we done with this topic we done with this uh so chad don't jump in there and somebody did you see what he said? I don't care. They can talk about me all they want to. Hey, Ocho, hopefully Ocho is done

with this. He said what he said. Ocho responded. Hopefully we can move on, but for me, I ain't got no issue with nobody. Like I said, I refuse to go back and forth. I don't see really a need to whether or not they like us

or like me or dislike Ocho or whatever the case may be. I wish you guys nothing but the best. But I do know there's enough room for everybody to get a piece of this pie. And so that's the way I'm going to approach it. So I wish you guys the best. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Hold on, hold on. Come on with that humble shit. There's enough room for everybody to get a piece of the pie. But you know who's going to get the bigger piece? Man. Huh? I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company,

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We're going to get to that. Let's get to the topic of that. Last night, Luka showed the Mavericks why the decision to trade him could age horribly. He had his first career triple-double as a Laker, finishing with 19 points, 15 rebounds, 13 assists. There were chance and the crip. Thank you, Nico. Thank you, Nico. I don't know how much of the game that you watched,

but I could tell Luka was a little nervous. Obviously, he wanted to have a big game. And that's what you want to do. When you play your former team, Ocho, you don't need to prove them wrong. You need to prove you're right You need to prove you right because you know what you can do. And Luka, with the exception of the game against the Nuggets, he's kind of struggling with his shot.

It's going to take him a while to get his legs, to get in the field of things. He's learning a new offense. Learning, obviously, never played with a guy like LeBron, but this is going to prolong LeBron's career. I can see LeBron playing another two, three seasons after getting Luka. But watching Luka last night, he's special.

Everybody knows it. He can pass out of the double team. You see they did a great job. He got going early, and then they trapped him, doubled him, blitzed him, wanted to get the ball out of his hands, and he made the right plays more times than not. But LeBron came to the rescue in the fourth quarter with 16 points, 16 huge points, made every right play.

And it was a good win for the Lakers. Don't take too much silence because they were playing without Anthony Davis, playing without Lively, and they were also playing without Daniel Gafford. But I like the Mavericks. I think the Mavericks, once they get Luka, excuse me, once they get A.D. back healthy, with Kyrie, and the way Kyrie can play off the pick and roll, the way AD can play in the pick and roll,

mid-range, all three, some scores, all three levels, I think the Mavericks got a good team. But I was really impressed with the Lakers and how they were able to finish this game off, even though the Mavs were underhanded, undermanned. Ocho, let that go.

We done moved on with that. What? I see it. I see it. It's still in your head. I'm focused. Hey, listen. I'm locked in. I'm locked in. Listen. I'm thinking about the bag.

I'm thinking about it. I can't let nobody trick me out of my spot. Exactly. If you're not getting your trick, that's your spot. I got you. Hey, can I tell you something? What? You know, I heard somebody talk about, like, if, uh, if, uh, you know, if you need a job, you ain't hiring no more.

You know, I just got a new job. You got a new one? Where you working at? Yep. Can I tell you? Yeah. I'm gonna see you on Monday. Okay. tell you yeah i'm gonna see you on monday congrats thank you i pray i i appreciate that and my fact hey guess what else guess what else i'm gonna see you on tuesday morning too Today, the Athletic reported the Mavs had an issue with Luka smoking hookah and drinking beer. Makes no sense. The people who witnessed Luka's last days in Dallas do not paint a flattering portrait of the 25-year-old's professionalism.

They call him lazy. They talk about the weight issues that with such frequent frustration within those walls. They mention the social habits that Athletic has reported on, such as taste for beer and hookah, which have been a point of concern for NBA type since he was 19 year old star for the Real Madrid

who was entering the NBA draft. They predict his basketball demise highlighting health history that in some will will likely lead to catastrophic catastrophe in the next five years or so. Damn. Damn. Look, Ocho, I mean, he's 19 years old.

He's been a professional since he was like 16. He's been playing. Look, it seems to be the thing now is going to the hookah bar and the hookah lounge or whatever the case is, and you smoke hookah and have a good time. Clearly, you remember last year, he had a beer, and Finley, Michael Finley, took it out of his hand. I don't know what's true.

I think two things can be true i think they were scared to pay him 30 or 345 million dollars i also think they was concerned about his professionalism and the way he conducted himself not only off the court but on the court as well go ahead wait on the court can i on luca on the court they got tired of all the arguing all the moping the pouting and things and things of that nature. With the refs? Yes. Okay, listen. Yes.

To me, I would think Luka reminds me of a great player I played with. Arguing with the refs when he failed, he deserved the call, he didn't get a call, he goes back and forth with the refs. TJ Hushmazada. He reminded me of TJ. And most of the time, nine times out of ten, TJ was right, especially when we went back and we watched film. Now, when I look at Luka, all I can see, Luka plays the game a certain way at a very, very high level where he's top three, maybe top five in the NBA right now. Correct me if I'm wrong. you mean to tell me as good as luke is they don't want to pay him the money they want to pay him because he has an issue with beer and has an issue with smoking hookah can i tell you what other players might be doing as well that might not display the same behavior

but still getting a bag yeah can we think about think about you? You're an NFL player. You play with linemen, linebackers. They drink. They smoke. But when it comes time to performing, when it comes time to performing, what do they do when they show up on Sunday? They do what?

They get the job done. Okay, they get the job done. That should be the bottom line. Now, finding reasons why not to pay someone and saying, well, you smoking hookah and you drinking beer is the reason we don't feel like paying you, but the production that you do want as a player for that franchise is showing up. Yeah. Now, it's hard for me to even talk about something like this when I don't drink at all.

Right. And I don't smoke no hookah now my issue is cigars so it's hard for me to kind of interject and understand where people will come from right when the main goal for me the main thing is always the main thing what are you doing once you touch the field or once you touch the court that's what i'm paying you for right now what you choose to do in your own time, that's on you. Now, when it affects your play and your production, now we got a problem. I think the thing is that they felt Luke

being a leader, he should be a little bit more professional as far as, okay, don't smoke. Like I said, this is speculation, Ocho, and I hate speculating and conjecturing, but for them to get off a player that's 25 years of age, that's a five-time All-NBA player, at this juncture of his career, he has more first-team All-NBA selections than LeBron did.

And he's the quickest to 5,000 points. When LeBron James was the quickest of 1,000 all the way through 35,000 to 40,000,, when LeBron James was the quickest of 1,000 all the way through 35,000 or 40,000. He was the quickest. And he's three games ahead of what LeBron was at the 5,000-point pace. With that being said, Ocho, I think the thing is there's a combination. There's a lot of things at work here. Paying him $70 million a year until he's age 30.

The habits, because guess what? Those those habits as you start to get age now your body starts to break down and we're on the hook we see now all of a sudden that three-year extension for joel and beat at 193 it ain't looking too good is it oh joe ah it ain't so and that's how that you have to and for me look look, I'm always going to be pro player because I always want them to get their money because the team making money. But as being a business owner myself, you understand there's certain things you try to protect yourself against down the road. Okay. I got you. And people always like pay, pay, pay.

It's easy to say when it's somebody else's money. That's the money. Imagine when you, and when some of you feel somebody is trying to take advantage of you, I give you like else's money. That's the money. Imagine when you, and when you feel somebody's trying to take advantage of you, I give you like, somebody's working, and you're like,

man, you're trying to overcharge me. Nah, I'm good. But if it was somebody else's money, you would pay it. In this situation, and there might be, there's some truth

on every side. Maybe Luca. I don't think Luca, everybody ain't going to have the work ethic as lebron kobe and jordan okay let's go ahead and clear that out there's a lot of people do things a lot of different ways there's more ways to to get to the bottom of something than just going straight to it with that being said i understand i might not agree with it, but I understand the Mavericks take.

We got to pay this guy $70 million a year? Yeah, I got you. I got you. I understand. But I get Luka's like, and now, and maybe this is what Luka needed, Ocho. Maybe he, maybe like,

because I don't know if Luka realized how good he can be. Because once you start having success, remember like when you when you worked out really hard that first off season and you had that success you became obsessed with having that level of success so it was nothing to get ocho when somebody said ocho come on nah bro i gotta go get this work in this morning i I got to work on these ladders. I got to work on these cone drills. I got to work on this high hand-eye coordination.

I got to get that done. Luka ain't going to never have nobody like LeBron. He ain't going to have nobody like Dwight Howard. He ain't going to have no caps on his shoulder. He going to look like that. He get in shape, he going to look like Jokic. So if y'all think he he gonna have caps on his shoulder like LeBron, I mean, and Dwight Howard,

that's not what he is. Right. But I do think, I do think now, when you get traded, you get released, it's a wake-up call. Because you know you're feeling good, Ocho. That's why he was so hurt by Ocho. Because think about, this shook

the NBA. They said, never have a player of this caliber That's why he was so hurt by Ocho. Because think about this shook the NBA. Yeah, I mean, look at all that. They said never have a player of this caliber been traded that didn't ask for a trade. Kareem asked for a trade. Right. The great asked for trades. Right. He didn't ask for this.

You know what's funny? You gave me your perspective of being a business owner and not wanting to invest that kind of money in a player. But to me, it's still some type of red flag where I'm really not believing the reason you don't want to invest that type of money based on the accolades that you just ran down with this young bull has been able to do in such a short amount of time. It got to be more to it than some goddamn beer and hookah. It got to be more to the story. When they say they called him lazy, they talk about the weight issue. There was such a frequent frustration

within the walls. They mentioned his social habits that the athletic has reported on. Taste of beer and hookah, which had been a concern for NBA type since he was 19. So he came into the league and you know, you had...

But the problem with Ocho, they say, they predict his basketball demise highlighting a health history that as some see it, will likely lead to a catastrophe in the next five years or so.

Oh my goodness. Ocho, this is what we know. Ocho so this is what we know oh so just what we know having played the game those teams see when players think they're doing something and the team doesn't know that's where they run a foul at when you got that kind of money you tell me what dallas cowboy player is doing something that Jerry doesn't know about. They know everything, huh? Jerry got the police. That's why everything the little foul stuff that they can handle. NFL team, they have

FBI level security. They know everything. So we're going to do our homework. We're going to read a week, you know. Hold on. The funny thing, you talk about Jerry. We talk about all 32 teams Yes All 32 teams

In the off season Right now Wherever you're at in the world They know what you're doing They know who you hang around They know who you like to go They know what you're spending They know everything

It's different Yeah It is And so is spinning. They know everything. It's different. Yeah. It is. And so, it's going to be very interesting to see, Ocho, because we got some guys coming up. Jaron Jackson Jr. He's coming up in line. He wins Defensive Player of the Year.

He's eligible for a Supermax. Five years, $345 million. We're about to find out. He's not as credentialed as Luka. Wait, how much again? Five years, $345 million. We about to find out. He's not as credentialed as Luka. Wait, how much again? Five years, $345, which is $69 million a year. Fully guaranteed.

Hey, it's too late for me to play hoop, huh? Yeah, it's too late for you to play hoop, Ocho. Should have gotten to that thing a little early. Dang! Here's the problem, Ocho. The problem is is that let's just say for the sake of argument

none of this is true you're sullying the man's reputation you're sullying the man's reputation now we've seen but now because we've seen him

smoking hookah and drinking a beer they kind of you know they kind of dodged the bullet because they got him on camera smoking hookah.

They drank the beer. So it's hard to sue for defamation. Can I ask you something? Yeah. Who don't drink beer, huh? Outside of me. What athlete doesn't? What athlete doesn't drink alcohol?

Outside of me. What athlete doesn't smoke hookah? Outside of me. Hookah, weed, I don't know. I mean, come on now. What are we talking about i understand now i understand both sides i got you but i'm just saying using that as and then lazy and social issues and like what does that have to do with playing again from the business side of things

i understand what are you doing for me every year you tell me all the time in the NFL players every year they got to update their resume and every year he updates his resume man I'm surprised they got to this um

a lot of people say they would have just given them the money boy it's going to be interesting um a lot of people say they would have just given them the money boy whoo it's gonna be interesting I think moving forward Ocho we need to pay attention to this

because if Luka don't get the super max who the hell gonna get it Ja Anthony Edwards Shea Shea

Shea can get I think Shea can get 290 that ain't enough I think he can get 290 5 for 290 I think

right at 60 a year I have to check my math I know Jaron Jackson is in line for that uh jaron jackson jr his father's senior so it's gonna uh it's gonna be very interesting to see coming down the pipe who gets that because it's 345 now it's about it's gonna go to 380 it's gonna go to 400 who's gonna going to get five years, 400 million? Who do you think? Just curious.

Maybe Wendy. Wendy. Oh yeah. I understandable. Right. Rightfully so. Yeah. It's in the room

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I'm going to see y'all Monday morning. I'm going to see y'all Monday and Tuesday mornings. Outside of that, I feel good. Hey, chat, I look good too. Like, this ain't just a camera. Can y'all see me chat? Chat I love y'all Chat I love you If y'all need anything

All you gotta do is ask Okay Now I'm gonna say no But just a thought Of me being there for you In the time I need Is better than anything. Yeah.

I don't know what I'm doing. I'm handling some business. This must be about money. D-Wade, Ocho, D-Wade says the first moment he thought LeBron might leave Miami is when Pat Riley took his cookies. Let's take a listen to what D-Wade had to say.

That was funny. This was the first moment where I had an inkling that LeBron may not be back. One thing you don't do is f*** with LeBron cookies. No, no, no, no. This is serious. He loves chocolate chip cookies. Chocolate chip cookies and ice cream he loves, right? And so when he gets on the plane,

Bron walks on the plane with a bag of food. One bag is all cookies, and the other bags are what his chef has prepared for him to eat because he eats a certain way. He don't eat what's on the plane. But, you know, he have his cookies. So we get on the plane, and we play cards at the front of the plane.

We play cards, and then at some point the front of the plane. We play cards. And then at some point, Bronco be like, hey, bring me those cookies. And this one day, he was like, hey, where my cookies at? And they had to come up there and whisper his name and tell him there weren't no more cookies on the plane. Yeah. That set back. Wait for me, Hank. He pushed that table, that cards back.

He sat there quiet. Doing his head like this. I was looking. I'm like... He ain't play cards no more. He sat there like this. Hey. You see? And that calls Pat Riley. See, Pat Riley's trying to show

I run the show. Now look at you. That's too much. That's too much. He too much You're doing too much That's way too much You mean to tell me You trying to prove a point So you take the man cookies Hey

You never bother a person's Never bother a person's flow All the In which and way they travel A routine in which they like to... In which way they travel, a routine in which they like to eat, in which they like to prepare. You never do that.

That has nothing to do with the game of basketball. I understand trying to set a precedent. I understand control. You know? But over abusing your power... Cookie, Locho.

Come on now. You took the bad cookie. So, hey, I have a question you think there's a chance you think that might have been the last straw yes because there look there are some things that lebron wanted like like uh uh maverick and randy potentially traveling on the planes having access like that he had in cleveland so forth and so on. We know Pat Riley limited that if he didn't mix it all together. Okay, fine.

Probably, but here's the thing. You knew that when he came in there. Because LeBron team, LeBron's going to lay out what he expects. When he went to the Lakers, he told Magic, Randy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But we don't think he's going to travel. Rich father.

Marriage. Okay. Do you want... Randy blah blah blah blah blah blah blah but we don't play he gonna travel rich father marriage okay do you want I'm sure when Tom Brady went to Tampa I need my guy to be here I need him to be able to set up

so forth and so on okay you knew that you knew that you get the man there it's almost like a recruiting visit. Oh yeah, you gonna start once I get your ass on campus. You done signed that letter of intent. I do what the hell I want to do.

Now you can't do that anymore because them guys jump in the portal on your ass. Excuse me. They jump in the portal on your tail and then you in trouble. But I don't get this. Pat Riley, I mean, there are some things that he said about he was telling Phil Jackson and Phil Jackson uh uh he got up like LeBron wanted to stay and then like uh for

Thanksgiving blah blah blah and I just but I I can I can see now I can see now to do that that's petty right that's you that's you trying to show I run the show. Yeah. I mean, see, and that's unnecessary because- Very. Think about LeBron staying a few extra years in Miami. How many more rings do they get? But you sacrifice that because you want to prove a point

in showing that you're not losing power and you want to overabuse it. And even now, the stuff with Jimmy Butler. I'm not saying Jimmy's right. I'm not saying Pat is wrong because internally I'm not there. But there's always an issue where there's a power struggle. It shouldn't be a power struggle. If you want to do one thing, everybody, the main thing should be the main thing.

If you're part of the Miami Heat, Pat Riley's main goal should want to do one thing everybody the main thing should be the main thing if you're part of the miami heat pat riley's main goal should want to be winning championships and having the best product on the court to do so oh joe if cookies were the issue do you know how many cookies will be on that damn plane oh i got you yeah do you know yeah what what where do you want the cookies from? Are these gourmet cookies that we need to go to a special shop? Or these regular chips or some type of chocolate chip that we can buy from a local grocery store? I just need to know, LeBron, what it is. Because I promise you, there is not a superstar player in any sport.

Let me ask you a question. If Shelly Taney shows up and says he wants something special, they're going to have, if he says there's a Japanese cuisine that I need to have before every game, and I need to make sure when we travel, I have it, I guarantee you they're going to have it. Absolutely. If Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, if whatever superstar player,

if Shea goes to OKC, I don't know what the delicacy is in Oklahoma. I've only been there once. But I guarantee you, if Shea says, I want this on the plane, we're going to have that. I mean, little old me, I say, Mike, we want to watch the fight. Mike would have it. Mike, we won't need this on the plane. Mike would get it.

You mean to tell me you took LeBron James cookies for what? Right. If the man, if the man, if LeBron's overweight, I see, Hey bro, you need to cut back on these.

When is LeBron James not been in shape? We marvel at his body and you're 22. We've done that since he was getting to the league as an 18-year-old rookie. Yeah, yeah. There's not a time that LeBron has not been in shape. But like you said, this was a power trip. Yeah. You won the battle.

You lost the war, Pat. That's unfortunate. That's unfortunate. Now we don't even have a chance to come out east i think we matter of fact we still coming out east go ahead no you're not y'all can't beat boston y'all can't beat cleveland y'all can't what what we can't what beat boston cleveland or the knicks not on the seven game series y'all might want a game but y'all ain't winning seven games.

Y'all not winning four games. I know. I just want to get excited. I just want to get excited. I know. We need two more pieces. And you heard how D. Wade explains it? D. Wade said he knew he was upset. So that man pushed back from the table, and he didn't play cards

no more. Yeah. Yeah. Don't mess up my routine. Don't mess up my routine. Don't mess up a routine that I'm probably... Think about how long LeBron been doing that routine of having those cookies on that flight. Yes. Yes.

Man. Man, let me get up out of here. And, I mean, I've heard... D-Wade is not the first person that I've heard LeBron crazy about chocolate chip cookies. Right. And to do that, I thought that was petty. I think it was unnecessary.

But I think it was Pat Riley trying to prove a point that I run this show. And if I don't want no cookies on this plane, ain't going to be no damn cookies on this plane. And LeBron said, you know what? You're right. This show ish. Yeah. I take my show on the road. And LeBron says, you know what? You're right. This your ish. Yeah. I take my show on the road. And he did exactly that.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Kevin Durant is expected to be traded this offseason, via reports. The Mavericks have shown interest in paying him and Kyrie in AD. What's KD's best landing spot, Ocho? You want me to call him asking real quick? I'm trying to figure out who got the assets. Hold on, hold on.

This is going to be funny. Let me see if he answer. Hell, he probably played Nah, they played last night Man, if they could play him If they pair him with Kyrie and AD What? In Dallas? Yes

Your call has been forwarded to voicemail The person Damn Kyrie and AD? What? In Dallas? Yes. Your call has been forwarded to voicemail. The person. Damn. He didn't answer. He probably saw my name and he didn't answer on purpose. Man, he probably watching the show. Listen, do you think, what's the chances? Let's say if Kevin Durant is able to go to Dallas with Kyrie.

What do you think their chances are at winning a chip? A great chance. A great chance. You sure? I'm positive. So that's the one piece of the puzzle that's missing. You pair KD with AD and Kyrie? Hell yeah.

Oh, shit. I'm tripping. Why am I, listen, I'm tripping. I'm forgetting AD is there. I'm talking about, how that's a two-headed monster. Man, that's a three-headed monster, man.

Yes. I just thought about that. Yes. Hold on. Hold on. Stay with me now. Why not go over there in LA

with Luka and Braun? I don't think? I don't think he wants to pair with Braun. I think he wants to compete against Braun. I think a lot of people are surprised that he paired with Steph. Normally, historically transcending great players don't go pair

with other ones. Plus, the Lakers don't have anything to give up. They don't have any draft compensation. Okay. Had they saved that compensation, what they gave up for Russ to get Russ and gave up all those assets. Right. They would have had some assets and who knows.

Okay. But I think in order for them, in order for the Phoenix, they gave up a lot to get KD. Right. They gave up a lot of picks. They're going to try to claw some of that thing back. I think Book is the only untouchable.

He was drafted there. They traded. Bradley Beal is going to have to waive his no trade if he's going to go somewhere. We'll see how that pans out. But KD is the piece that they can extract the most draft capital and players for. Because I don't think they're moving books.

Okay. Dang. I mean, I met the Suns owner, Matt Ishma. I went to the WNBA All-Star Game and had an opportunity to meet with him and talk to him, and he was great. But I know he wants to win. You spend that kind of money, Ocho, I'm trying to win. I ain't trying to win. I'm trying to win yesterday.

Damn tomorrow. Yesterday. Right, right. So, and KD gave me, he said, look, I cost a lot, you know, to come in there in the middle of the season, not have any, you know, time to work. Right. But I think KD wants to win a championship.

And he's gone two places. Another one. Right. Two places, and it hadn't worked out well. Brooklyn was not a success. Phoenix is not a success. Yeah. Hey, I really thought that stopping Brooklyn, boy, I thought them boys were going to be hell, boy.

I thought them boys were going to be hell, boy. It would have been interesting had the situation. Well, you know, he got, first of all, when he got there, he was hurt. So he didn't play the first year, Ocho. And then Kyrie got nicked. So Kyrie didn't play. So they're playing good. You know, Demond Harden, you know, Harden like tweaked his hamstring.

Mm-hmm. Kyrie steps on somebody's ankle and that's the second year and they got beat in the

divisional round. The semifinals. The next year, you know, with that COVID issue and it just Harden gets traded

they move on from Kyrie uh, KD's like y'all ain't finna leave me here by myself I see where y'all going let me go elsewhere, boom boom and he ends up in Phoenix James Harden goes to Philly

now he's in the Clippers Kyrie gets traded to Dallas Kyrie wanted to go to LA, but they was ticked at Kyrie and it was not going to trade him where he wanted to go. He lands in a good spot with Luka and Dallas.

And the rest is, as they say, history. But Kevin Durant with the Dallas Mavericks, with AD and Kyrie, oh yeah, that's championship. Yeah, they're going to be first or second favorites

to win the championship. Oh yeah. Yeah, for sure. They got a guy that can man the back end. Now, it all depends on how much they got to give up. But even if you got to give up,

I mean, they're going to probably want all your picks for the foreseeable future, which you don't care about because you feel you're going to be picking way down. So, it's not going to be in the lottery. So, they're going to want a bunch of unprotected picks. They're going to want pick swaps.

Probably players. Right. So. Listen. They're going to make it happen. They're going to make it happen. The fact that it's coming out this early

and now you got to have that on your mind and obviously block it out and finish the season the right way that's crazy how that happens yeah Ocho parody accounts are mourning today

the NBA centel seems to have been shut down on Twitter. RIP Centel. Did you ever get Centel? Did you ever get like that stuff that you're like, oh, man. It got me once. They got me once. They got me once. And listen, it's always something funny, too.

Yeah. That was a very entertaining account. And if you didn't pay attention, they'll trip you up. Yeah. Why are you thinking, Ash, what happened? very entertaining account. And if you didn't pay attention, they get there. They'll trip you up. Yeah. What, uh, why are you thinking, uh,

ask what, what happened? Oh, somebody's probably sued him. She says. Yeah. Oh man. They took the whole account down. So, so i mean you think they got suspended normally normally accounts get suspended you know when you curse and you are you you mess around with the

guy for for twitter first of all twitter's like the wild wild west damn me anything goes i mean hey i mean you can't even block nobody now they can still i mean they can't respond to you but it used to be you block them they couldn't see your content they still can see you can't even block nobody now. They can't respond to you, but it used to be you block them, they couldn't see your content. They still can see. They can't respond anymore, but they still can see. Yeah, Twitter's the wild, wild west. Twitter's anything gold. X, X.

It's called X. X, my bad. But yeah, anything gold is not Ocho. So for them to remove it themselves or have someone remove it, yeah, yeah. I mean, you could damn near do anything you want to on X. Yeah. Matter of fact, man, yeah, listen, you got a— Boy, when you open X in public, you got to be careful.

Yeah, I got to be careful because I ain't on none of them sites. If you got your sound up, boy, you, listen, you open up, you open up Twitter, X, whatever you want to call it, and porn just be popping up all the time.

Nah, I don't get that. I mean, people have said that, but I don't get that popping up on mine. You don't? No. Hey, hold on. Did you follow Miss B Nasty?

No. You ain't gonna, oh, now she gonna slide your DM if you don't follow up back I don't want my account I don't want my account Shut down like NBA Centel

Nah you ain't gonna get shut down Hey don't be scary man You gotta stand on business now You done shot to shot She done shot back Now you Y'all in limbo What you scared of

Did it go in You scared Nah it ain't go in until you until she hey can i ask you a question yeah like you could tell me we family pretend to chat in here are you nervous about what i mean does she make you nervous after seeing her content does that make you nervous being that she's so experienced you're not ready for that i ain't seeing the content oh i haven't been on the content why are you man i'm going to come hey see you try to get me to go on the content then that then uh what you call them they shut my account down. No, they don't. Listen. No, her content, it's okay.

That's welcomed on the site. Elon Musk said it's freedom of speech and freedom of expression. Yeah. So those that do that type of content, I salute them, I support them, and I'm with you as far as freedom of expression and that's your body and what you like to do in the private your home you want to make it public so be it but you need to check out our content you you would probably answer and you'd probably

answer a dm oh if i check out the content i would answer yesterday huh oh yeah well you would answer last year man you do i'm just saying i'm just saying that parent account has got a lot of parent accounts get a lot of people yeah and that's that man that that seems so real and then you look at like man this they got me it'd be hustling oh joe yeah my girl the goat dt diana terrasi announced her retirement during her 20 seasons in a professional career, four years in college, early in 2000, all she did in winning. She played an entire WNBA career with the Phoenix Mercury, which drafted her first overall in 2004 in the WNBA draft.

She retires from the sport as the WNBA's all-time leading scorer, 10,646 points, and in three-point shooting, 1,447. Salute. Salute, DT. Real deal. Been the real deal. I mean, she won three national championships. She won three

national championships at UConn. She was a most outstanding player. She was a college player, the Wooden Award winner. She was State Bar. She won three national championships at UConn. She was a most outstanding player. She was a college player, the Wooden Award winner. She was State Bar. She's, I mean, she is as credentialed as you can be. She's an MVP. She's a three-time champion with the Mercury. She's a finals MVP.

I mean, her resume is complete. Her resume is complete. DT gets to walk away from the game. She walks away on her terms. 20 years is a long Her resume is complete. DT gets to walk away from the game. She walks away on her terms. 20 years is a long time. Hold on. I think what's going to play 20 years? Didn't Sue Bird also play 20 years?

I think they might have been teammates for a year or two at UConn. But DT, salute. Job, career, well done. Um, but DT salute job career. Well done. You walk away with your terms and you know, I think she was alluding to it. Two birds play 19 seasons. Okay. So right now, uh, DT has the most seasons in WNBA history at 20.

Um, she gets to walk away on her terms. Um, and I think that's important and the question does she want to put the work in of what's required to go through another WNBA season another 40 game to put that kind of to do that all over again

yes sir I guess you said no and when you think about it there's really nothing else for her to accomplish. No. Because winning another championship, Ocho doesn't change. And that's what I look at.

Does winning another championship change the way you feel about said individual? LeBron James can win three more MVPs and three more MVPs or three more anything. And people are going to still say Jordan, Colby,

whatever the case may be. So with that being said, I definitely don't think there's nothing Diana DT could have done that's going to change the perception. Right. Phenomenal. College career. I mean, when it comes to college career,

I mean, only who? Breonna Stewart? That won four national championships. She was a four-time most outstanding player. As far as, you know, the college game, there ain't a whole lot of women that can say they got a better collegiate resume than DT.

With the championships, the winning, the MVP, the player of the year, the gold number one overall. Right. Damn, you kind of had a bunch the year go number one overall damn you kind of had a bunch of players go number one overall DT went number one overall Maya Moore went number one overall

Tina Charles went number one overall Paige Beckers are probably going to be number one overall who else went number one overall oh Breonna Stewart went number one overall oh Brianna Stewart went number one overall I would be surprised if Sue Bird or Rebecca

Lobo went number one overall but Bear Story franchise college program DT man congratulations dog great great great great great great career

glad I got the opportunity to meet you glad to say I know you Congratulations, dog. Great, great, great, great, great, great career. Glad I got the opportunity to meet you. Glad to say I know you. And enjoy retirement. Oh, yeah. Okay. UConn have five number one overall picks Sue Bird, Diana Taurasi, Tina Charles Maya Moore, Breonna Stewart

I believe, what you call them is going to be number six Paige Becker so, absolutely I mean they had Tina Charles in 2010 Maya Moore in 2011, Breonna Stewart in 2016, Sue Bird went number one overall in 2002 DT 2004, then Tina Charles Maya Moore, Breonna Stewart in 2016, Sue Bird went number one overall in 2002,

DT 2004, then Tina Charles, Maya Moore, Breonna Stewart. Hey, how long, now, you know what, this is a good question that I don't know about.

When it comes to the WNBA, you know how, I mean, college, the male college students, one year and they can leave. Yes. What's the rule for female? I think they gotta stay. I think they gotta stay the rule for, for, for, I think they got to stay.

I think they got to stay the whole while. The whole four? I think so. Do you think, do you think there are any, any collegiate WNBA players that are ready to leave before they even reach their senior year? Juju Watkins is ready to go.

Breonna Stewart is ready to go. Yeah. Right. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Hey, you know what? year juju walkins was ready to go brianna stewart was ready to go yeah right okay yeah okay hey you know what and and i there's a young lady i don't know her last name and i'm sorry for the disrespect but i continue to see her highlights all the time when i tell you this young lady has a package like Kyrie Irving? In college, you got to know who it is.

She don't know what I'm saying. From South Carolina? Man. Well, I don't know what she learned to play basketball, but Jesus Christ. Also, to be eligible for the WNBA draft,

a player must complete four years of college or turn 22 years of age during the year of the draft. Wow. I think they should change that rule. Especially for the players that are much more polished than others that are actually ready to leave school. Yeah, I mean, look. Who?

I think what you call them left early. Candace Parker. She's the only one off the top of my head. Right. So she left for junior year? Yeah, I think Candace left for junior year. Okay. But I know she had a lot of,

but I mean, she had won back-to-back national championships. She was outstanding. She was a most outstanding player. She was a college wave player of the year. She was wooden player of the year. If I'm not mistaken, look that up, Ash. We'll get back to it. But I actually think that she left early.

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