Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Chiefs win Super Bowl, Mahomes might be the GOAT, Can Chiefs Three-Peat

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

04:00 Super Bowl takeaways10:10 49ers couldn’t capitalize on their lead13:30 Unc thinks Kelce may be greatest TE ever21:40 Unc says Mahomes GOAT talk might be valid29:30 Can Chiefs pull of three-peat?51:00 How much longer should we expect Andy Reid to coach? #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Volume. Shannon. New customers can bet just five bucks and get 200 instantly in bonus bets. Only on DraftKings Sportsbook with the code Shannon. The crown is yours. You're listening to an iHeart podcast. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content,

the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you.

Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran-Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us for the after Super Bowl edition of Nightcap. I'm

your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85 route runner extraordinaire bingos legend ring of famer pro bowler all pro he that had a front row seat for that what my home's magic my homeboy please yeah that you bet against that you bet against we're about to get we're about to get into it we're about to get into it. We're about to get into it, but I need you to run me my money too. Please make sure y'all like, hit that subscribe button.

Thank you for making the live such a ginormous success. That's something that Ocho and myself and the team were thinking about possibly taking this show on the road a couple of times over the next several months.

And so thank you guys. And we definitely keep you updated about what cities and states that we're going to be coming to. And hopefully it's one near you. Please make sure y'all subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. You can get it through Club Shea Shea, but Nightcap has its own podcast feed. Guys, thank you again. You sold out my stock of Shea by La Portia, but I've been on the phone with them and hopefully we'll have some at least by the end of the week.

We've had to read. How do I say this? We've had to reorder, had to reassess the amount of the amount of cases that we're going to produce. And so we basically had to triple that. And so thanks to you guys, that's making Chez Bal Le Portier such a huge success because nothing happens without you. And basically the only marketing that I do is on my social media page and my social media platform. So I want to thank you guys for making this

possible. We've been nominated for an NAACP Image Award for the Arts, Sports, and Entertainment Outstanding Podcast. We pinned the link. Jordan did his thing. So please make sure you go vote for us. Ocho, we had a doozy. We had a doozy. It didn't start out as a doozy.

No, no, no. Listen, the first half, I'm going to just say the first half was bad. The first half was bad. You could have dozed off. You could have dozed off. Even if you love the game of football, that was some... It was some boo-jah. Yeah. I took the dogs out to go potty. You know, I was doing a whole lot of

other stuff but let's get right right right beat the 49ers in overtime 25 22 oh joe this is the first time that under the new rules every in the playoffs both teams was going to possess the football so even if the 49ers have scored a touchdown the cheese was going to get an opportunity to match right he's become the first team in 20 years to win back-to-back Super Bowls. The last team to do it, the 0-3, 0-4 Patriots. Mahomes earned his third Super Bowl MVP

in four seasons. 34-46, 3-33, two touchdowns, one interception. He's now one of five quarterbacks in league history to win at least three Super Bowls, joining Tom Brady, who won seven, Joe Montana, who won four, Terry Bradshaw, who won four, Troy Eggman, who won three. Eggman and Holmes, 28, are the only ones in that group to win three

before their 30th birthday. Let that sink in. He's won three Super Bowls, three Super Bowl MVPs, two regular season MVPs, two 5,000-yard passing seasons, a 50-touchdown passing season. Ocho. He ain't human. He's two years

before his 30th birthday. He ain't human. Across the last two postseasons, Ocho, Mahomes has gone 7-0, throwing 13 touchdowns, with one interception and now he's 15-3 in the postseason his young postseason

career so after tonight hopefully we can put to bed there's no quarterback that's currently playing that's in his stratosphere now you take the other quarterbacks that you believe are elite and you let them jockey it out.

You put them in a bag and whichever one you come out with, I'm sure you'll be happy. But we've got to stop this notion. Your quarterback is just as good as Mahomes because he's not. Because first of all, he doesn't have the regular season accolades and he definitely doesn't have the postseason accolades and in the biggest moments, Mahomes

plays his best. But Ocho, you were at the game. What was some, you were at the game. What was some of your takeaway from the game? Well, obviously, there was really not much to talk about in the first half. The first half, it was easy, like you did say earlier. But that second half of the game was some of the best football that I was able to watch in person. And I was on the edge of my seat. The second half, I wasn't able to sit down.

Obviously, because of the bet that I did make, I was extremely nervous. I was very, very, very nervous. The 49ers looked good. The play calling by Shanahan, to me, was good as well. He didn't allow Purdy. He didn't put Purdy in a bad position where he could make mistakes. And McCaffrey saved the day with the run. The short, the quick game. Yes. Kittle wasn't involved as much as he should have been or much as I would have liked for him to been to give them a chance to also win. And obviously, I'm going to get to Caterius Tony in a minute. But Mahomes, Mahomes is special. Mahomes is special. And I'm glad they won due to on the sideline. Kelsey and Big Red. Kelsey and then Rasheed Rice and Mahomes are also arguing on the sideline. I'm not sure what

that might have been about, but I'm glad they did win because those two situations in itself... Especially Kelsey. Especially Kelsey because he almost knocked Andy down had he not grabbed him. Yeah. Other than that, man, listen.

That second half, man, that overtime... I'm not even going to lie to you, man. I was so scared. I was so scared I was so scared but man but you knew Ocho you knew if the 49ers did not score a touchdown Mahomes was going to get that ball and go down the field and go right down the field because he's done it every time

he does it every time and when they went for that field goal I sat back and it was a little weight off my shoulder because I knew they got an opportunity to go down this field and score. And that's exactly what they did. That was some goddamn good

football, man. Yeah. Ocho, the thing about what makes Mahomes, he's like Brady. If Brady needed three, he got three. If he needed seven, he got seven. That's exactly what Mahomes is capable of doing.

And Ocho, I did not, and I'm not going to sit here and say, oh, I saw this coming, because I didn't. I watched it for the entirety of the season, and we watched them drop passes. They're receiving, they drop a pass. I mean, if you want to chalk that up, I think we got one.

Rice, Mahomes, if you want to say that one, a difficult catch, but Rice at this level and the way he's been playing, he probably should have made that catch. He probably can make that catch eight out of ten times. Right. Offensive line, they were shaky as hell in the first half. Mahomes was running for his life.

Those tackles, even the guards were getting beat. Yeah. I don't know what Greenlaw ate. I don't know what Greenlaw ate before the goddamn game, but before the injury or whatever happened to him, I'm not sure what it was. It looked like he was about to go into the field, Ocho, and you could see that.

When you see that calf reverberate all the way down, it's not a good sign. I'm knocking on wood, hoping for the best, but it didn't look good. Right, Young Bull was all over the place. Fred Warner came to the party. but it didn't look good. Right. Young Bull was all over the place. Fred Warner came to the party. Fred Warner came to the party. They played

well. Again, kudos to the 49ers defense. Kudos to the 49ers offense. They played a good game. They did everything they could do. They did everything they could do. It's just something about Mahomes and clutch situations when it matters most, he always comes through. And when they kick that field goal, I say, you know what?

They're going down the score. Those two slip screens, the slip screen to Pacheco first, and then the second slip screen to Travis Kelsey, I didn't see that play all game. Not like that. I saw the regular screens, you know, the smoke screen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, your bubble. Those two play calls in that moment on that last drive to march down that field, that was magic.

That was magic. That was magic. You remember we talked about this early in the year? I say the thing, the key, a lot of times the key to winning playoff game is when you have the momentum, how much separation can you get? Now, the 49ers had the momentum in the first half, and they only had a 10-3 lead.

That's not enough. You needed to be 17-3. You needed to be 20-3 because you really dominated the first half of the game. But because you let Matom, he could still see your taillights. You needed to disappear. You needed to really disappear, Ocho,

because you got the momentum. And you let him... And so, Andy, they go in there at halftime, they're like, you've heard this speech before, Ocho. As poorly as we're playing, we're only one score down. We go out there... Now, it didn't start out great because they go three and out

their first two drives. But when you get a situation like that, you have to put some separation between you. And if you look at the second half and you know, you're like, OK, now y'all, y'all keep on trying to be a party up because y'all want people to think he's that dude. Yeah, not. He's not. And now let me ask you, did he answer all your questions? Because there's a couple of throws. Yeah. The money throws. You got to make those.

Yeah. You got to make those, especially in the game of this magnitude, because all those throws count. This is the game where every throw, every run, and I mean, mind you, it was something. You're going to take off all the rolls, Joe? Yeah. Mind you, remember the two fumbles? Yes. Well, they kind of

what's the word I'm looking for not eliminate each other because they both fumble they both fumble back to back but here's the thing we know for certain there's probably a 90% chance where Pacheco fumble they're going to get at least three out of that Ocho because he fumbled like the 10 or the 12 yard line

so you know they're going to get three now I'm not exactly where McCaffrey fumbled, but it's not as the percentages are not the same. But you're right. One had a turnover, and the other had a turnover. And then Mahomes had a terrible pick. Because he had Kelsey, he just overthrew it. He just overthrew him.

It's really that simple. There was no magic about it. Oh, they tricked him, and they had this exotic coverage. They had no exotic coverage. Kelsey was open, and my homeboy sailed the ball. You know, it's really that simple, and that's what happened. But to give him credit, and you see Andy started calling more runs. You see on fourth down, hey, get up the field.

You see he looking to hit those creases because now everybody has their back turned to it. And now he's able to take off and use his leg. But Mahone was the leading rusher, 9 for 66, had a longer 22. Pacheco, what is that, 18 for 59, Rice had 2 for 66. Had a long of 22. Pacheco, what is that? 18. 18 for 59. Rice had two for five. But that was... And Kelsey.

One kid. He's like, give me the ball. I can let me make this thing happen. I don't understand what was going on in the first half. I don't understand what was going on in the first half. Obviously, how do you allow a team to dictate your one of your... Obviously, your best threat outside of Rasheed Rice. Don't allow a team to dictate your one of your obviously your best threat outside of rashid rice don't allow the defense to dictate getting your best players of all i hate

that i hate that i we i've discussed it before with other teams you got especially a game like this you have a player that magnitude probably arguably i mean which which you would agree with the best titan to ever play the game you gotta get to get involved early. He's my goal for me. And you look at the way he's played. And look, this is not a knock on Gronk because Gronk was very similar, but the exact same way. They play at this level in the regular season, and they're able to up it in the postseason.

And both guys can do that. And so, but I just think, I would have loved to see Gronk have a stretch of health like Kelsey has had. Because you remember Gronk had the back injury. He missed a couple of games with his knee. He had some ankle trouble. He had the elbow. And so he had some issues staying healthy.

But he's still, for me, he's my second greatest tight end that I believe. That's on my list. Now, you can have him. I mean, a lot of people have Gronk in front of Kelsey. Some people might have Antonio Gates or Tony Gonzalez in front of him to have at it. But that's my list.

When it comes to that, when it comes to those guys like you, Gates, Gronk, Kelsey, numbers aside, I think it's based on preference. It's based on what you like. It really is. All of them are different styles of players. They all get the job done. They just get it done in different ways. So I think it comes down to preference.

Hell, all y'all was good. All y'all was good. We talked about the best they ever got there in play. So it ain't really no argument for me. Yeah, I mean, but Mahomes got it going because I thought he could have ended the game in regulation. If he gets that ball up on that back shoulder fade to Kelsey, when he got Warner. Against Warner?

Yes. Against Warner? Yes. That's the exact same play that he had against Baltimore last two weeks ago. Baltimore on Kyle Hamilton. Exactly. Yeah. The show was.

Yes. I don't know. Man to man, the 49er defense was tired. That second half. Well, hell, the Chiefs defense was tired, too. But for some reason, they went the man to man when obviously you could tell the players were gassed. Goddamn Fred Warner had Kelsey 101.

Oh, he ran the shot across on him? Ooh! I mean, he can't stay with him on that, man. As great as Fred Warner is, you know he can't stay with him. The goddamn safeties and nickels sometimes have problems staying with Kelsey. You know, Fred's not going to be able to do it. Ocho.

Huh? Ocho. What's the number one? Ocho. We're taught in the route to get across the defender's face. As a defender, your number one rule,

you never let a man cross your face. Cross your face, yeah. Offensive line, never let a man cross your face. Defensive line, never let the man cross your face so he can get up on your back. DBs, never let the receiver cross your face.

Bro, you got man coverage, and you play it because he played it for the wheel round he played it for the fade so now you got you you kind of splitting the difference you got yeah you're at your uh uh you split so he lined up in and so you're splitting him you're his leg forward leg and you're so he gives you a little nod you open and he opened it was that's it that's it all you know all you need listen all you need is that small hesitation that little half a step it's done it's done my coach my position coach

the man to hesitate is beat yeah every time and people don't understand he's like well all he did it doesn't matter you're talking about the elite of the elite. We're talking about race cars. Everybody's spending $10, $30, $40 million. What's the least mistake? Giving up the inside. The least mistake you make at this level, it's over.

It's over. Ain't nobody that exponentially better. Every once in a while, you get a mismatch, Ojo. But in most situations, you're a mismatch, Ojo. But in most situations, yeah, but in most situations, you're talking about the best of the best against the best of the best. But you can't, you can't, that

mistake is to play man coverage and leave him outside like that because guess what? You got everybody coming, and so he's got to get over, he's got to get over picks. Now, he did a great job of getting over the pick, but a step for Trav, it's over. he's got to get over. He's got to get on picks. Now he did a great job of getting over the pick, but I stay up a step for Trav. It's over. Yeah, it's over.

This game was unbelievable in the second half. Travis Kelsey had 10 targets, nine catches for 93 yards. He had eight of those catches for 92 of those yards in the second half. Nicole Harmon had an unbelievable game. Ocho,

how many times are they going to let them run that whip route? Where we start now, they got two touchdowns last year against Philly. With the whip route coming in with the motion and then coming back out with the snap. Rasheed Rice ran it twice. He

caught one and Mahomes missed him on the first. Oh no, that was a drop. That was a Rice ran it twice. He caught one, and Mahomes missed him on the first. Oh, no, that was a drop. Yes. That was a drop on the whip. Sky Moore caught a touchdown last year. Darius Toney caught a touchdown last year. So that's two touchdowns. They come back and run that same play.

Yeah. Now, they already know the tight end. And Kelsey, Kelsey don't even try to get open. Because he knows that they're going to try. They're going to sink. And they're going to try to take the seven. They'll sell right from him. If you go look at him, Kelsey doesn't even try to get open. Because he knows that they're going to try, they're going to sink, and they're going to try to take the seven right there, sell right from him. If you go look at him,

Kelsey doesn't even turn around. He doesn't even turn, go back and pull up. He doesn't even turn around. He already knows what it is. He already knows what it is. Hardman comes in, and back out.

Wide open. Every time. You know what I'm, damn, as a DB, you would damn near have to guess. You would have to guess based on film study. But in that situation,

in a game like that, you don't want to guess. You want to play. You want to play what your eyes show you. You want to play what your eyes show you. In that defense,

you got no choice. Because, okay, if you get on his hip and you run the shallow cross, you beat him. If you get ahead of him, you see what he's going to do? He's going to start your head

and he's going to whip it back out on you. Come on back out. You got to play honest. That's what the coach used to say. That's on me. I put you in a bad spot, son. Ocho, that's all you got. He put you in a bad spot. Ain't nothing you can do.

You know what I was thinking about? The only thing you can do, Ocho, is probably zone it off. Once he go in motion, expand. You know what I was thinking about? Unless you, the only thing you can do, Ocho, is probably zone it off. Yeah. Once he go in motion, expand. Yeah. But now you run the risk

of somebody sitting down in that zone on your ass. Bingo. And he gonna pick you off. He gonna pick you off and dink and dunk if you do that. But,

again, I might want to touch on the Kadarius Tony stuff and the struggles that they had offensively in the first half. Obviously, Kadarius Tony didn't the struggles that they had offensively in the first half. Obviously, Kadarius Tony didn't play. He was a healthy scratch. But I felt, and I said this, I think, with you guys on first take, I said, we need all hands on deck.

We need all hands on deck and we need all weapons on deck. And obviously, I know what happened. I know some of the struggles Kadarius Tony had. But I talked about, excuse excuse me having all hands on deck and him being a weapon that can be used especially in the first half because offensively they were so they were so like lethargic you know it was very methodical it didn't look like it seemed like there was no really no creativity offensively and the 49s were on everything you couldn't run the ball you couldn't throw the ball play action wasn't working obviously well yeah exactly so i i thought maybe going to the short game you know little quick screens here and there i just thought

having tony would have been a great answer in that first half when things weren't going the way you want them to especially offensively but listen tony he didn't play but guess what he getting him a ring though and he got. And he got two up. Frustrated with ticket buying experience? GameTime is the only ticket app that gives you peace of mind with your purchase. They let you see the view from your seat before you buy so you know exactly what to expect when you arrive. Their all-in prices show you total up front so you always know you're getting a great deal. And it takes no time at all.

You can buy tickets in seconds with two taps. Take the guesswork out of buying tickets with GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account, redeem code NIGHTCAP for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Again, download the GameTime app, enter the code NIGHTCAP, N-I-G-H-T-C-A-P for $20 off. Download Game Time today. Last minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed. Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles, break free from the chains of trauma, and silence the negative voices that have kept them small. Through raw conversations, real stories, and actionable guidance, you can learn to face the mountain that is in front of you. You will never be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify. The thing that you refuse to say, hey, this is my mountain. This is the

struggle. This is the thing that's in front of me. You can't make that mountain move without actually diving into that. May is Mental Health Awareness Month, a time to conquer the things that once felt impossible and step boldly into the best version of yourself to awaken the unstoppable strength that's inside of us all. So tune into the podcast, focus on your emotional well-being and climb your personal mountain. Because it's impossible for you to be the most authentic you. It's impossible for you to love you fully if all you're doing is living to please people. Your mountain is that. Listen to Made for This Mountain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode,

I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there's so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen.

Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask Attorney General. I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn.

In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Oh, Joe. Did he do himself any favors by going on IG Live? No, no, sir. That's the thing. Ocho, you need to get with him and explain. I got him. I got him. I got him. There's only so much I can do. In the middle of a season, you got so much going on. Emotions are running high. You want to do well. You think about all the work you put in and things aren't really going the way you plan sometimes that happens sometimes it happens so i understand where he's coming from now he can exhale he can reset take some time off and when it's time for him to train i'm gonna be right i might have my cleats strapped up right with him we We're going to work. Ocho, what you think? Kansas City comes back. They three-peat. Mahomes

is the MVP. We might have to really call that goat thing into discussion. Because it'll be the first time in the history of the game that somebody is three-peating. Right. And we understand how hard it is to repeat.

That's why you've only had a handful you think you think they have an opportunity well if they're going to repeat they got to bring cj back they got to get cj they got to get legerius need they got to get guys like that yeah but listen they're not repeating unless you had those two centerpieces on defense because if you think about it people in the chat if you think about it, people in the chat, if you think about it, the regular season for the Kansas City Chiefs, it wasn't about Patrick Mahomes. It was about Spagnolia and that goddamn defense. And the way they played throughout the entirety of the season.

And obviously, you play, you play, you play, you play great defense, and you leave it in Mahomes' hands when it's time to win the ball, trying to win the game. And he's going to come through for you every time because he's someone that you can put everything the onus in winning the game on him when it matters most. Ocho, that muff punt

flipped the game. It flipped the game because it scored the foot. It hit the blocker's foot. I mean, you know, Ocho, I think Ray Ray should have fell on it. He should have fell on it instead of trying to pick it up. Thank you, Ocho. That's the rule.

Right. He was trying to make a play. No, Ocho. In that situation, you don't play hero ball. Now, that's a – look, you try to tell yourself, hey, man, this is just a football game, bro. It's just like all the rest of them. The field is the same difference.

The points count the same. A touchdown is six. A safety is two. A field goal is three. A PAT count the same. A touchdown is six. A safety is two. A field goal is three. A PAT, if you kick it, is one. You go for it and get it, is two. But you can't trick your mind. Your mind know what the magnitude of this game is.

So you tell yourself all you want to is just the game. But you know, you understand, you can feel it. The moment driving to the stadium, people are waving. They got the banners. They got the banners. They got your banners. They got the other team's banners on the way to the stadium. You could come out on that field, Ocho. You know how it was. Think about all the people that was already in the stands.

Think about all the people that were on the field. So you know, like, hold on. This ish ain't regular. And when was the last time you had a regular season game that you was there from somewhere from Sunday to Monday? You ever had a regular season game you was somewhere from Sunday to Monday? So your body, no, hold on. I ain't used to sleeping in our beds, our foreign bed like this, this list of times.

It's different. It's different. I ain't used to having all meetings every day in a hotel room. Right. And then we have a big meeting in a conference room. That ain't normal. Right. But that, have a big meeting in a conference room. That ain't normal. Right. But that, and sometimes that's what it takes. It takes,

and the momentum swung big time at that point in time. And you're just like, okay, they tried to get it back, but that blocked PAT. That blocked PAT is, oof. That was huge, JoJo. That was huge. That 57-yard field goal was huge as well. Oh, he got That was huge, Ocho. That was huge.

You know, that 57-yard field goal was huge as well. Oh, he got leg now. Straight down the line. Mm-hmm. Straight down the line. And the Chiefs was down by, remember, they were down by 10. The first time they played the 49ers, they was down by 10 against the Eagles. They were down 10 tonight.

What else does Mahomes have to do? I don't know. Matter of fact, I think if I'm not mistaken in all the playoff games, maybe not Super Bowl, he'd been down double digits in all of them. If I'm not mistaken, he came back and won.

He was down double digits. He was down 24-0 against the Texans. He was down 10-0 against the Tennessee Titans. We know we just mentioned he was down three. He's been down double digits. He was down 24-0 against the Texans. He was down 10-0 against the Tennessee Titans. We know. We just mentioned he was down three. So he's been down double digits probably. But you look at his record trailing in the second half of a playoff game. The dude's 8-2.

Yeah. That's crazy. Crazy. He's good. He's good. He's good. And I think also I want to give credit to Andy Reid as well with the play we i i want to give credit to andy reed as well with the play calling i want to give credit to andy reed as well with the play calling

and really not putting my homes and the ball in harm's way even though you're trailing because you know when you're trailing you just start calling anything instead of just playing your game that's what a term game manager comes in. You see, Patrick Mahomes understands. I can't take the risk that I normally could. Right, right. When you're down, you have to be a game manager when you're down because all your decision makings have to be right.

You pay double for turnovers, Ocho. Oh, yeah. You pay double for those. And so now, as opposed to being swashbuckling, he has to be conservative. OK, that four yard route, it's only four yard. Man, come on, man. Push the ball down the field. No, that throw isn't there. This is the throw that's there. And you know, the thing is like, oh, man, you know, and I'm sure Steve Wilkes is saying he's going to get antsy.

We just going to make him keep checking it down, making him keep checking it down. And then he's going to get greedy. And when're just going to make him keep checking it down, making him keep checking it down. And then he's going to get greedy. And when he does, we're going to be there. Right. But he's learned and Andy's done a great job of this. Son, take what they give you

and don't be afraid to take off. From the time that he won that first Super Bowl when they were down against the Texans and he started using his legs, he's a quarterback. He's a quarterback.

Yeah. He doesn't run. He's never going to be Justin Fields or Lamar, Mike different quarterback. He's a different quarterback. Yeah. He doesn't run. He's never going to be Justin Fields or Lamar, Mike Vick. He's never going to be that. But he runs. And sometimes it hurts more when he runs because you're not expecting it. Expecting it, yeah. He had to run the night when he went up the gut.

It took off. That was third down. You see him point to my block I'm gonna hit the head of the goal you block him oh man that was a great game the Chiefs were down 10

in playoff games down 7 or more in the Patrick Mahomes era the Chiefs are 9-2 the next quarterback win ratio in that scenario dating back to 1950 is tom brady he's 10 and 11 let me read i want to read this again yeah so people people understand that in playoff games down seven or more in the patrick mahomes era the chiefs are nine and two in those games the next best quarterback win ratio in that scenario,

which means down at least seven points, dating back to 1950, so we're going back almost 75 years, is Tom Brady. He's sub 500. He's 10 and 11. Patrick Mahomes is 9 and 2 in said games. The next closest is Tom at 10 and 11.

That's crazy. So let me ask you this. And we've been talking about this. There's been a lot of goat talk. And I was on somebody's show Wednesday when I was doing media day for Oikos. And I said, right now, Tom has the big horns. He got the big horns. Of course.

Where you gonna put my homeboy? He gets that three-peat. Three-peat, four Super Bowl MVPs, and he's not 30. Where you putting him? Do you over... He doesn't overlap Tom, because obviously people will bring up

the fact that Tom has six, seven rings, or whatever it may be. But I thought the eye test, because that's what the quarterback can see. And I see it first now. They say Jordan is the GOAT because he three-peated. They say Kovac is next in line because he three-peated. So I just need to know, are we staying consistent with

that? Yes or no? Listen, you have to talk to those who watch the game of basketball. I'm just going to stick to football and what I actually know. But I think it comes down to numbers. It comes down to rings and rings matter. Rings matter, especially when it comes to the quarterback position when we're talking about the GOAT. But until you unseat the individual who is in front with the most, then, I mean, can there be a GOAT junior?

Well, he is that right now. But here's the thing. If rings, well, Bill Russell has 11. Nobody ever said he's the GOAT. Robert Ory has seven rings. There are a lot of Celtics. Havlicek and Sam Jones and Casey Jones.

I just think it's going to be a very interesting conversation. Because a lot of teams have tried to three-peat. And the thing is, I mean, that's a lot of extra games on your body. Because you're talking about going to four Super Bowls in a span of six. Hold on. That'll be four in six years, right?

No. That'll be five. They're three and one. That'll be five in six years. Nobody's ever done that. That's crazy. Yes. This ain't a game of Madden.

This is real life. It's real life. It's real life but i mean i think now ocho nothing that he does surprises you yeah i mean i just knew once they set up for the field goal hey like john witherspoon said it in friday uh next next friday yeah that's your oh in friday that's your ass, Mr. Postman. It was a wrap. It was a wrap. I mean, he's unbelievable.

Travis Kelson, Andy Reid incident. AJ Brown tweeted out the game. If that was me, I would have been kicked out of the league. Oh, you know what it was. Come on now. You know what it is. Listen, you know what it is. There's no need to know what it is. Listen. You know what it is. There's no need to explain it.

You know there are certain people that can get away with certain things based on situation and circumstance. You know, A.J. Brown, you're held to a different standard. You're on the microscope. Cheetah. Players that have personalities.

Players that are deemed divas, you know, are held to a different standard. It's always been that way. There's nothing new. Do you remember Ernest DiOcho? When he threw his helmet and Andy said, what the hell are you doing? And the equipment guy tried to give it back to him

and Andy said, no, don't give me the helmet back. Yeah. Yeah. I'm surprised, though. I'm surprised that. Look, I know we've all had shouting matches. Not getting shouted matches with your coach. But the bumping?

That's the emotion of the game. That's the emotion. I don't think he really meant the bumping. I think it's just the emotion of the game, especially a game. We talk about Super Bowl. We talk about Super Bowl and him wanting to contribute and them not being able to give him the ball. I would be frustrated, too, as well,

allowing the 49ers defense to dictate what i can and can't do on the field and i think that's what was frustrating the most but here's the thing here's the difference between travis kelsey's situation and george kittle if you don't throw kill the ball you still got debo you still got our you you still got christian mccaffrey you still got jennings if so many other options if you don't get kelsey, basically you relegated to he and Rice. I mean, Justin, what's the guy named, 84? Justin Watson. Justin Watson will make a catch here.

They're surprising people. He dropped one tonight, too. He sure did. MVS. I've never seen a guy get a six-yard completion and turn it into a four-yard loss like MVS did. MVS. I've never seen a guy get a six-yard completion and turn it into a four-yard loss like MVS did. You ever seen anything like that?

Yeah, you just got to go down. That's it, bro! Once you got up on that first tackle, and once you feel your body and you're having to retreat and there's nowhere to go, just go ahead and go down. Don't lose no yards. You're not A.J. Brown, bro.

You're like a Bucks 75. So a guy's beating you around, where you think you're going? Right. But like you said, sometimes you got to know when the journey's over. Mm-hmm. And everybody in my home's like, what do we do? What is that? You see C.J., you see

the defense on the sideline, like, what the hell? How we had a six-yard completion and it turned it into a four-yard loss. They looking like, they like, what was that? They were able to overcome it. They were able to overcome it. God damn, that man's special, man. Golly. People don't realize it because here's the thing, Ocho.

If you play in a city and your quarterback is good, you want him to be on Mahomes' level. Right, right, right. And you're like, well, what he did, well, my quarterback beat him once. But how many times did he beat him when it mattered? Think about that. Look at this. This man goes into your building.

This was supposed to be the year. Everybody said, I want home field. Buffalo said, we want home field. Buffalo said, we want Mahomes to come to us because the last time, the last couple of times that we played in the playoffs, we had to go to Arrowhead.

Right. Come see us in Buffalo. It didn't make a difference. Lamar had everything. He had a coach, Todd Munkin. We had, you know, you got Odell, you got Bateman,

you got Zay Flowers, you got Odell, you got Bateman, you got Zay Flowers, you got Likely, who was playing unbelievable filling in for Mark Andrews. Didn't matter. This is the difference. Ocho, this is what you heard me say this. The mark of any

great team or unit, can you get done what you have to get done when you absolutely have to have it? The Cowboys say they got a great defense. They couldn't get it. They got 48 dropped on them. Hey, we need to get off the field on third

down, and you can't get off the field. Mahomes needed a field goal. What did he do, Ocho? He took his team down, and he got a field goal. Mahomes needed to one-up what Brock Purdy had done and went and got a touchdown. He went and got it. That's how you describe greatness.

Not going and getting 40. Well, he scored 48. He had five touchdowns, 300 yards. He had this. When he needed it, could he get it? Yeah. That's how you make it. Go ahead.

The funny thing is, we talk about Purdy, Purdy played a good game he was 23 for 38 he had 255 in a TD he had a good game, hell McCaffrey had a good game, IU it was good, Jennings obviously was decent, we needed more Kittle, we needed more Debo, if they wanted

Debo had 11 targets for 3 catches for 33 yards you gotta make those plays you gotta make those plays Debo, if they wanted to have a chance. Debo had 11 targets for three catches for 33 yards. You got to make those plays. You got to make those plays. You got to make those throws. There were some throws that Purdy needed to make to change the dynamic of that game because the game, obviously, is the game of inches.

It's a game of inches. And every play and every throw matters. Guys, so if we're going to say so, that means Nick Foles is the GOAT. So because everybody keeps saying well Brady beat Mahomes when it mattered. So did Eli Manning. Beat him twice. So is Eli Manning

the GOAT? You see how ridiculous that argument is? And Nick Foles beat him. A guy that was a journeyman. So Mahomes lost the Super Bowl to Tom Brady. Tom Brady lost a journeyman Nick Bowles And Joe Flacco beat him in the playoffs twice So what are we doing here?

What should I test tell you? In situations like this People move the goalposts How about we do it like this Ocho Tom Brady I still believe will move the goalposts. People will move the goalposts. How about we do it like this, Ocho? Tom Brady, I still believe Tom is the goal. Yeah. But you're out your mind and you're lying if you're saying at the exact same age

Tom Brady was better than or the equivalent of Patrick Mahomes. There's no way you can say it. There's absolutely no way you can say Tom Brady was the equivalent of Patrick Mahomes at the exact same age. Right. Because Tom had no regular season MVPs. None.

Zero. Tom had no regular season MVPs. None. Zero. He had no 5,000-yard passing season. No 50-touchdown passing season. So what are we doing here? You say, well, we, okay.

Patrick Mahomes got three. He's three for three. He won three Super Bowl and he's a Super Bowl MVP in all three. Brady didn't do that. He had two regular season MVPs. Brady had none. He had two 5,000-yard passing season. Brady had none.

He had a 50 touchdown passing season. Brady had none. Now, Brady would later go on to have a 50 touchdown passing season Brady had none now Brady would later go on to have a 50 touchdown passing season he would go on to later have a 5000 yard passing season but at the where we are right now Ojo we here we right here

Brady didn't have these accolades right now we gonna see it's gonna take if my homes can stay healthy because the one thing you can say about Brady Brady stayed relatively healthy over his 23 year career except that one season

2008 he got hurt in the first game he missed the entirety of the season but other than that Ocho the one thing you can count on if you played the Patriots you're going to see 12 try to advance out there and talk about let's go let's go you knew that Patriots, you're going to see 12 try to advance out there and talk about, let's go. Let's go.

Yeah. So it wasn't, man, I wonder if 12 going to play today. Man, I saw him on the injury report. There are certain people when you saw him on the injury report, man, you know he played. Yeah. Playing that number, smoke and mirrors. That's all it was.

But it's a great debate that we're going to have, and it's not going to go away because we've never, ever in the history of the game, seen a quarterback this good, this early, this complete. Because we've maybe, let's just say,

maybe he had the passing, but he didn't have the hardware and the Superbowls. Brady has Superbowls, but he didn't have the regular season accolades. And they say, well, because Peyton, they killed Peyton. Bruh. Ocho. Hold on. You was in the league. You came in the league in what? 2000 or 2001?

2000. Came in 2001. But anyway. For real? Yeah, for real. Oh, my bad. I don't remember. kill payton yeah yeah listen ocho they obliterated payton they call him mr regular season he couldn't win the big game right now when we host the same standard whoa shannon you are the buck dancing you are the sugar the jiving you don't try you went to efb and

i said no i thought we held our great players to the same standard standard right if the standard is the standard why should we lower for somebody that we like why are we doing that on show is that what we do listen and you and i go i tell you all the time the goalposts always move depending on who you're talking about. Always. It will always do that.

They will find a reason or they'll find excuses or they find, they use numbers, they manipulate the situation for the individual that you're talking about. People do it all the time,

whether it's basketball, basketball, football, hockey, any sport. When it comes to somebody you like. They're going to find a way. But I'm just trying to figure out, who are you going to say... What you drinking now? What's you drinking? Water.

Oh, okay, okay. If you want to see what type of water that is, somebody's going to have to pay for that, Ocho. Ain't nothing free but salvation. And Reverend I, Jimmy Swagger, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, they charge for that okay, I got you I got you

I'm going to become an old minister you know what I'm saying Ocho you know what my motto is Ocho what don't put change in the collection plate God don't like noise God don't like noise God don't like noise

only people you don't change noise. God don't like noise. He don't like noise. Only people. Only people? You don't change. You make noise. God don't like noise. Right. I like that.

He like it peaceful. He like it quiet. Right. I'm stealing that. I'm stealing that one. I'm stealing that one. Oh. Golly, that game was good. I need a water, man.

Ocho. Yes, sir. Are you going to run me my money what I owe you for now you owe me $400 keep betting on Kadarius Tony whoa whoa whoa hold on now hold on hold on time out now come on now you just making up stuff now Ocho you didn't tell me he was going to be active I told you he wasn't

you said he was we didn't bet on him being active I just said he was going to be active because I don't have an injury report out. We don't know if Andy Reid is going to make him active. I said he could be 100% healthy. He could get out there and before the day, he could run 4-3. He ain't getting on that field.

Ocho, you know how superstitious coaches are. Go on a winning streak. Do they change anything if you go on a winning streak? Hell no. Go ahead. go on a winning streak do they change anything if you go on a winning streak hell no if you go on a winning streak I'm just thinking as a coach you know a game like this again I want all hands on deck I want every weapon possible

with the creativity we can having everybody available with the creativity that Andy Reid has you can do more and I know what Kadarius Toney can do with the ball in his hands and I understood that. Give it to the other team. Come on. See, come on. Ocho, what you want?

Ocho, you say pull the tape. If I pull the tape out from Kadarius Toney, tell the people at home that didn't get an opportunity to see him play, what do you do? I can also pull the tape of him being very elusive. His short area quickness and his ability to separate in small spaces.

He got some plays out there. He got some nice plays now. He got some nice plays now. Ocho, don't do that. I mean, he got some nice plays. Hey, listen. You know,

we can find bad plays on everybody now. We can find some good ones. It's Sunday, Ocho. No, but it ain't just Monday, actually. It's Sunday. No, no, no.

It's Sunday. It's Sunday still. It's 12-16. It's Monday. Ocho. No, but it's Monday, actually. It's Sunday. No, no, no, it's Sunday. It's Sunday still. It's 12-16. It's Monday. If you, if you, if you, that ain't where you are. You in Vegas. I know, but I'm on East Coast.

No, you ain't on East Coast. I don't give that one time you are. I'm on East Coast. I don't live here. You there. Yeah, I'm glad they won, though, man. I'm glad they won. Yeah.

Man, that was a good, that was a good game. Shit. Made for this mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles, break free from the chains of trauma and silence the negative voices that have kept them small through raw conversations, real stories, and actionable guidance. You can learn to face the mountain that is in front of you.

You will never be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify. The thing that you refuse to say, hey, this is my mountain. This is the struggle. This is the thing that's in front of me. You can't make that mountain move without actually diving into that. May is Mental Health Awareness Month, a time to conquer the things that once felt impossible and step boldly into the best version of yourself to awaken the unstoppable strength that's inside of us all. So tune into the podcast, focus on your emotional well-being and climb your personal mountain. Because it's impossible for you to be the most authentic you. It's impossible for you to love you fully if all you're doing is living to please people. Your mountain is that. Listen to Made for This Mountain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person

discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair.

And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask a journey check. I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do.

To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Kelsey was mum after the game about Bumper Reed Trav I'm going to keep that between us unless my mic if my mic up tells the world I was just telling him he was mic'd up he was mic'd up

we get a list of all the players that were mic'd up for him, my homeboy probably Pacheco, CJ Smead mmhmm yeah of course I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna tell you right now

I'm gonna tell you right now who was mic'd up so I'll be able to I mean I probably wouldn't share it with everybody cause that stuff that stuff like that

you wanna you wanna they'll put that they'll put that in the uh you know when they do they release the Super Bowl edition it'll probably

you guys might You guys might have it Tuesday. Oh, they got it. No, I'm saying they might have it. Yeah, they got it. They got it. I'll let you know what it said. Yeah.

What team is, the question is, we got a question for, and we got it up in the chat. What team is most standing in the way of KC's three-peat? The Ravens, the 49ers, the Bills,

we them boys. You know, we them boys, went from we them boys to we need more boys. But anyway, my guess is Kansas City. I'm going with the Chiefs.

They the most standing in their way. Wait, in whose way? Of the Chiefs they're the most standing in their way in whose way? Of the Chiefs of 3PT what team the Ravens the 49ers the Bills or the Cowboys are most standing in the way of the Chiefs when I think about the team

the teams that are standing in the way of the Chiefs that I think I would stay with the AFC I would stay with the AFC obviously a healthy Joe Burrow and the Bengals. Again, the Ravens. The Ravens as well with Lamar Jackson are very dangerous. Again, you got to think, Jim Harbaugh over there trying to change the culture with the goddamn Chargers. Right.

Justin Herbert. If he can get them on the right track, they are also coming out to AFC. That can cause an issue. The Dolphins. I'm just throwing it out there. Yeah, that's all you do. You throw it out there. Yeah.

I mean, listen. This is the AFC. You know what happens. You know the AFC where all the quarterbacks are, right? You know that? You know what happens if it's windy outside and you throw poop up in there. You know it's going to blow back in your face now.

You just throw it out. You know what I'm saying? I'm just throwing out names of teams, teams that play well this year, especially offensively. What team is most standing in the way? You got to believe not just naming teams. Who do you believe? Most standing in the way?

Like literally giving them a challenge? Yes. That presents the best opportunity. Who give them the opportunity that you say, you know what, that's the team that's standing in the way that's going to keep KT from three-peating. In the AFC? You can pick the Ravens. You can say the 49ers.

Bengals, Ravens, Bills. Bengals, Ravens, Bills. The chat said Ravens, 42%. 49ers, 22%. The Bills 12%, the Cowboys 24%. God damn. The Cowboys,

really? Well, I think I'm going to move to Dallas. I'm going to move to Dallas and I'm going to open up a new store. Because I can sell the Cowboys fans any damn thing. I can sell them anything. I can sell them deer poop and tell them it's perfume. A hundred dollars a bottle.

Yeah, you got to believe in your team. As a fan, you got to believe in your team. Bro, you ain't won two playoff games in the same season since 95. At some point in time, y'all going to start believing them old Danby. I told you they like Danby Dan.

Hey boy, you know your old man going to come pick you up and take you to get some ice cream. You know your old man going to take you to the park take you to get some ice cream? You know your old man going to take you to the park? Wait, but the Lions hadn't been to the playoffs and won a playoff game in 32, 35 years, though, right?

So we holding the Lions and the Cowboys to the same standard. That's what we doing. I'm just saying, you never know. So this might be the year. This might be the year for the Cowboys. You never know. You keep saying that.

I'm just saying. I keep saying that. But if a certain someone chooses not to steal the spotlight and let the year for the Cowboys. You never know. You keep saying that. I'm saying, I'm just saying, I keep saying that, but if a certain someone chooses not to steal the spotlight and let the team and the coaches do their goddamn job. Okay. You never know.

That might happen. What do you think? What's the likelihood of that happening? You wish that would happen, don't you? Not good. Because as soon as I mentioned it, he was making headlines already and they're not even in the Super Bowl.

See, Ocho, you just wish things would go a certain way. I would, I would. When you want to see change, when you want to see change, when you want to see change and you want to see results, that means you have to change up what you're doing. You got to change up what you're doing. You got to change your routine. And that's what, that is the definition of insanity. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over and over and expecting different results. Right. When it starts with you. I'm just, I just don't know.

Lamar won his second MVP. Second MVP, yep. But at what point in time do we start holding him accountable and says, that's underachieving? You had the best defense. You had the best offense. You had the best rushing attack. You had the best set of receivers that you've had

since you've been in Baltimore. And you were one vote. I don't know who that was that took that vote away from you, because you were one vote away, Ocho, from being a two-time unanimous MVP. And he had the AFC Championship game.

And he had the guy. Because the one thing we know about Patrick Mahomes, he's a big game hunter. Some people, me, I'm a shore fisherman. I stand on the bank, throw my rod out there, I catch the little fish. I ain't gonna, hey, I can't catch no tuna.

I can't catch no marlin. Patrick Mahomes is a big game hunter. He's going hunting for Cape Buffalo. That's what he's going to do. He ain't going pheasant hunting. Right. Right now, a lot of these guys doing pheasant hunting and qu now, a lot of these guys doing pheasant hunting and quail hunting and dove hunting

and calling it big game. Nah. Patrick Mahomes got pelts on his walls. And I know Peter don't want to hear me talk about that, but y'all at home, y'all get an understanding of what I'm talking about. Now, at some point in time, Ocho, he's going to have to catch the MVP

and turn him into Super Bowl. Yeah. Because you keep, well, he only 26. Mahomes is only, how old is Patrick Mahomes? 27 or 28? 29.

Huh? 29, right? 28. And that's it? 28. Imagine, what if he played all the way to 45 like Brady?

No, he'll not. Yeah. I mean, listen, with the rule, the way the rules are now, oh, that's possible. That's possible. But here's the thing, Ocho. Okay, you played, so he's right now. So right now he's 28.

Right. That means if he plays to 45, that's another 17 years. Man, you think Andy Reid finna coach another 17 years? You know what? So are we saying Andy Reed is responsible for us? And if it'll be on the sideline, Andy's gonna be ground up cheeseburgers by that point.

Listen, even if it's not Andy, Patrick Mahomes is still Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. Andy Reed's 65. So you think that man going to be roaming the sidelines at 83? What, he going to be on a motor scooter?

Somebody going to be pushing him in a wheelchair? Okay, you say Andy's 65, right? Well, Pete Carroll was 77. Really? I'm just saying. I'm just saying. If you want to keep on winning...

But if you look at Pete, Pete is so energized. Pete rah-rah running up and down the field and everything like that. Jogging. Yeah, that ain't Andy's demeanor. Now, I'm not saying, could I see him coaching another five years? Absolutely. The 70?

Without even blanking a dime. Not so much? No, I can see him coaching another five. Okay, okay, okay. Right. And that puts Patrick Mahomes at 33. For another five years, would we be surprised in five years if the Chiefs haven't won another two Super Bowls?

We're probably going to be disappointed if they don't shock because it's more likely, more probable than not, that they're going to go to at least two more Super Bowls in the next five years based on just that guy. Like you said, that guy. That guy. Yeah. Yeah.

You draft right. Free agency. You know, everybody going to want to come play there. Yeah, it's a possibility. But you got to make sure. But you got to make sure you show. Yeah. It's a possibility. But you got to make sure, but you got to make sure you show, sure up. Keep the sub-core guys.

Because Chris Jones, how old is CJ? CJ can't be that old. How old is CJ? He was disruptive. He didn't sack the quarterback, but he was very disruptive. Very, yep.

CJ, 29. How old is Snead? Snead got to be like 29 also, right? I think he might be younger. He's 27. Hold on. They might have one of the youngest defense because look at the safety.

The safety, I mean, McDuffie, the all-pros corner, he's only in his second year. Second or third year. Damn. Yes. Colophotus. Colophotus. He's like 23, 24.

They're young, Ocho. Their defense is really, really young. And really, really good. Yeah. And probably their second-best offensive lineman, Yeah. And probably their second best offensive lineman, whether you like Creed Humphrey or not. Joe Tooney was out. Yeah.

They keep, they keep, listen, they keep them, them core guys together. Draft well. Well, it can get scary over there.

Still. Yeah. Yeah. That's creepy. But, it's going to be, look, all them MVPs, the people. And guess what, Ocho? You remember, even when Peyton Manning had all them MVPs, they were still, he can't win them.

Even after he won the Super Bowl. Because remember, he won it and then came back and lost to New Orleans and they said he couldn't win the big game. Big game, yeah. Listen, every time they're going to move them goalposts now. The Chiefs are the youngest team defensively in the NFL. NFL. And they just won back-to-back Super Bowls.

Don't y'all have that fear? Bunch of babies. Oh, listen, you know how it's feel. You know, they got that man over there on offense. The same thing Brady did in Kansas City? But give Brett Beach credit. Those guys did an unbelievable

job. He does an unbelievable job of getting the right pieces. Obviously, they let Patrick Mahomes have input as far as the offensive receivers, like receivers or tight ends and things like that. He has an input. He knows what he likes throwing to. They know what they want,

but he's like, I kind of like this guy. This guy can make tough catches. Got a big catch radius. Nice run after the catch. Because Rasheed Rice is not a big guy, but he has tremendous run after the catch. Excuse me. And when you play in this style of offense, Ocho,

you got to have that. Yeah. Because it's not like they push the ball. They don't have Tyree. So they can't push the ball over the top of your head down a lot. Now, they'll surprise you now and catch you snapping. Go over your head. Yeah, and go over your head with MVS or something like that.

But for the most part, everything is going to probably be somewhere around 12, 15 and under. 15. A lot of bubble screens, a lot of smoke screens, you know, a lot of stuff like that. And so guys need to be able to run after the catch. How much of this loss falls on Kyle Shanahan, Ochoa? Oh, I mean, what could Kyle have done better?

I mean, he called a good game. He called a good game. The execution offensively and the throws that Purdy needed to make, he didn't make them. They were in position. They were in position to win the game. They were. Think about it.

You go to overtime. You didn't make many mistakes. Purdy didn't have any interceptions. McCaffrey did have a fumble Yeah But there were no points out of that I mean both fumbles on both teams

There were no points out of that So that kind of X's everything out God that was Do we put this one on Shanahan Even though it's his third time going and losing But look where you're going again Second time as a head coach Third time as a coordinator Do we put this one on Shanahan, even though it's his third time going and losing? But look who you're going against. Second time as a head coach.

Second time as a head coach, third time as a coordinator. But he's been there three times. Is it really his fault? Look who you're going against. But I think the thing is what people are saying. You had a 28-3 lead. You had a 10-point lead and a 10-point lead. And you lost two games in overtime.

And you lost one. You ended up losing 30 by 11 points. I think that's stuff. And see, for me, I said, hold on, wait a minute. Look how Jordan Love looked against that team. Look at Jerry Goff look at that team.

Neither one of them if I gave them the Hubble telescope, they couldn't see Patrick Mahomes. So I said, if you give him that kind of them, neither one of them, if I gave them the Hubble telescope, they couldn't see Patrick Mahomes. Right. Right. So, I said, if you give him that kind of time, I mean, 34, 46, 333, two touchdowns,

he's a Steve Manese. I mean, I'm running out of words to describe him because I'm old enough to remember a lot of the greats that I saw a lot of them play. I mean, I was in the league when Joe played. You know what I'm saying? So I know Joe and Steve and Peyton. I was in the league when Peyton played.

I mean, and Brady. I never thought Brady would be this because I played him twice. Beat him in 0-2 in their place coming off the Super Bowl. They came back and beat us in 0-3. He threw a last-second touchdown pass with like 20 seconds on the clock. I thought he was good.

I did. I thought he was good. I did. I thought he was really, really good. But I didn't see this. I didn't see this. I mean, that losing as a coordinator, losing 23 when you have a lead like that, that's just, ugh. That's bad. Ocho, if you go back and look at Patrick Mahomes' losses,

you got to outplay it. If you look at Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow with the arrowhead, he outplayed him. You go to the Super Bowl, Brady outplayed him. You can say when he lost five offensive linemen, Brady still outplayed him. Now, the only game Brady just got the ball last, but Patrick Mahomes, you go back and look at Patrick Mahomes' first AFC Championship game and the numbers. I mean, he damn near had 400 yards passing.

He was sensational. They were down like 14-0 at the blink of an eye. And he gave them the lead. And then he came back and got them in field goal position with like 36 seconds. And then Brady got the ball. Brady won the coin toss. They go down the field.

But more times than not, if you go, if you beat Patrick Mahone, the Kansas City Chiefs, your quarterback outplayed Patrick Mahone. Yeah, you have to. You have to.

That's the only way you're going to get it done. And you can say, well, the quarterback, no, no, no, no, no, no. But it is. Your quarterback is going to have to match him

because if you don't, you can't beat him. You is going to have to match him because if he don't, you can't beat him. You're going to have to match him or supersede what he's doing or you can't beat him, Ocho. It's really that simple. I mean, he's getting to a... He's top five. I don't think there's no debate about that.

Top five all time. Yes. Oh. Yes, all time. You know Dale'll wear that baby yeah number one yeah and he's one and then there's a gap between one and two so he's right here and then there's two whoever you want to put it to you want to put lamar you want to put josh allen as a matter of fact if you put all three of them together you would need to put all three of them together and i'm still sure i'm not sure that's still the equivalent of him. Right. Because

Ocho, you say you want regular season wins. You say you want postseason wins. Right. You say you want accolades in the regular season. You say you want accolades in the postseason. In the offseason. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know, sometimes Ocho, man, he got a complete resume. There's no holes in his

resume. He has no holes in his resume. He has no holes in his resume. No. At 28. He got 850 credit, Ocho. He got 850 credit. He got perfect credit. Yeah, there's really no argument. You know what we're going to hear sometime this week? Somebody's going to have something to say.

Somebody's going to find something. They're going to nitpick and find some way to discredit what he's done so far in such an early point in his career. I just don't know what it is. What's your take on Purdy? Did he

prove he's a top quarterback in the NFL? I think so. I think so. Again, I think he proved he was a top quarterback in the NFL. Obviously, what he did coming back against the Lions down 17 that second half, he played miraculous football.

Today, he played mistake-free football. There were a few throws that he should have been able to make. I think that would have changed the game. Him and Deebo. Didn't he miss Jennings on that whip? They brought pressure. Yeah.

But other than that, he played a good game today. He played a good game today. Even though they lost, I think this is a great confidence builder for him. Again, he does. The supporting cast he has around him is spectacular. Can you still play that same mistake-free football without the elite players around you? I think he probably can do it. But what I saw from Brock today was really, really, really good football.

But again, he was going against that juggernaut that we call my homeboy, though. But let me ask you a question. Did he prove he's elite? Because that was the question. No, no, he's not elite. Come on, let's not do that. Let's not do that. He's a good quarterback.

He's a good quarterback that is really good in situate, situate playing situational football and not making mistakes. But elite, let's don't, let's come on now. Come on, come on now.

Don't do that. Hey, you preach it to the choir because I said it, because I said it earlier because everybody wanted to say he was elite after he beat the Cowboys. I said, no, he's choir because I said it earlier. Because everybody wanted to say he was elite after he beat the Cowboys. I said, no, he's not. I said, sometimes you could have

a great game. You could have a great season. But that doesn't make you elite. You got... Do we understand what elite looks like? Look at Patrick Bowen. We know what it looks like tonight. Yes. And live in color. Yes. When you see guys like Brady,

when you see guys like Manning, you see guys like Elway, you see guys like Montana, you see guys like that. That's what it least look like. When you look at a Bradshaw, you look at those guys. Did a year in and year out consistently.

That's what it is. Consistently. Not a one. Oh, well, bro, come on now. I think, look, at some point in time, we got to stop looking, well, Shannon, what you, bro, bro, you here now. So I come into the league, I was a seventh pick,

I was a seventh round pick, 192. So if I say, well, I don't get no better, oh, well, Shannon, you know, hey, coach, I was 192 coach what you expecting out of me you can't keep using oh Shannon he was the last pick in the draft well damn it hey we paying you

and you by the command you by the command and deserve and earned a big payday and you can let me ask you a question if I gave Patrick Mahomes the 49ers talent, I guarantee you they three. If I gave him, if I gave him you, if I gave him Christian McCaffrey with that. Three. Man, they might. Man, they ain't losing.

Let's just say if I'm not losing, if I flip it. They not losing. If I flip it. They not losing. I'm going to flip it. You know what I'm going to do, Ocho? I'm going to take Patrick Mahomes, and I'm going to put him on the 49ers. And I'm going to take Brock Purdy and put him on Kansas City. So where do you think Kansas City going with Brock Purdy? Listen, Brock is good.

They will be efficient. But if you switch it and you put Mahomes on the 49ers, it will be a deal. Deep. They would have scored 45 tonight, man. They would have scored 45 tonight. Because listen, Shanahan would be in a position where,

you know what, I just want to put the game on Mahomes' shoulders. Yes. And just let him be surgical out there. They could throw the ball 65 times. And Mahomes will shoulders. Yes. And just let him be surgical out there. They can throw the ball 65 times. And Mahomes will make a mistake.

With that offense, man, shit. That'd be a sight to see, boy. That'd be a sight to see. Not saying that Brock is not good with him because he is good with him. But I don't think they ask him to do that much because of the talent he has around him. Absolutely. Just get in their hands and let them work.

He made some big-time throws. I thought that fourth down throw to Kittle. There was a third down throw to Jennings that he made. There's a couple of big-time throws that you need to see. That out, that out to the Kittles? Yes, on fourth down. That ball placement is important. Yes.

You know, if you leave that behind a little bit, you know where it's going, huh? To the house. Oh, that's going to the house the other way. Yes, yes. Very, very important. Oh, yeah. And you know, Baker's booked up, so I'm glad he had reservations for six. And they were all arriving at the same time because, you know, when you party don't show up at the same time, you can't be seen.

They were arriving at the same time. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Su, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content,

the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran-Contra Affair. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane i can't begin to tell you please do to hear the whole story listen to fiasco iran contra on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts you're listening to an iheart podcast