Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Chiney Ogwumike joins to talk Caitlin Clark & Team USA, Hurley denies Lakers

Episode Date: June 11, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson are joined by WNBA analyst and former Los Angeles Sparks star Chiney Ogwumike to break down the drama surrounding Caitlin Clark getting left off of Team USA, University of Connecticut head coach Dan Hurley turning down the Los Angeles Lakers coaching spot and much more!03:41 - Show starts06:09 - Caitlin Clark Snubbed with Chiney43:40 - Dan Hurley staying at Uconn50:32 - Darvin Ham hired as an Assistant for Bucks(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Very, very, very simple. Cheney, we were trending again. It seems like every time we have you or Monica, y'all start trading. I don't know what it is. So we were having a very nuanced conversation and you, you shed some light as being a number one overall draft pick coming up in the system, the under 18 to under 20, you within the rotation, playing overseas, going, winning gold medals for America, your sister,

number one, overall pick an MVP, a champion, never being selected. So you provided a lot of insight that a lot of people are not able to provide. So Stephen A and I took the approach that look, we thank Caitlin Clark, the 12 best players.

She goes, she stays. We believe the Americans, the women will win the gold medal. You like, yeah, I understand Stephen A. Shannon. I understand the marketing aspect. We understand the eyeballs that she would join. But you had a very different approach of why you

don't believe that she was selected and you didn't have a, I don't think you had a problem with her not being selected. So I want to, Ocho and I want to open the floor up to you and let you go into great detail because you know when you're on television you got to get to the top of the hour you got to get to the break you got four or five people even though we have three people we're going to open the floor up to you janae tell us what's going on in this situation sure i think the hardest thing is that oftentimes when we're in a debate format

people are more concerned with entertainment than the truth. And the truth is that I have a lot of lived experience into why she probably was not selected. And I said it before. It's largely based off of experience. I don't know if people realize that earlier this year, Team USA almost lost to Belgium. It took a buzzer beater by Breonna Stewart to win. The rest of the world is coming. I don't know if you followed the U.S. women's national team. You saw what happened with the men. I know we didn't send our best squad over there, but over the last summer, you saw the international competition. If you look at the NBA right now,

who was dominating the league in some regards? Foreign players. The game has changed. And I really do give a lot of credit as it pertains to basketball to the foresight of the NBA. The NBA has wanted to make this a global game. I'm Nigerian. The only other professional basketball league outside of the NBA and the WNBA

is the Basketball Africa League who just had competition and championships. They're really putting their work into growing the global game. But at the end of the day, that helps everyone rise. And I think people haven't realized the level of competition is so fierce that you don't want to take a chance of, at this iteration, potentially maybe having a player that has no familiarity with the roster, no experience at that high level. I think the youngest player on the roster is probably Sabrina Iadescu,

who's a first-time Olympian, but we've seen what she's done in the league. The previous Olympians, they've all had nine, at least nine players have had Olympic experience. So if you look at what they constructed, they know that the world is coming. And then I think at the end of the day,

like we're people that are all fans, right? Like the reason why we have the jobs we have is because we love sports. We love it at the highest level. We appreciate the moment that the women's game is at. We want that moment to carry over, but it can't come at the expense of what the Olympic mission is. And it's too metal. And I think that's the one thing people are sort of missing in all of this. The goals of Team USA by criteria is to assemble the best team, a team where your players are set up for success. And I think based off of the popularity of Kaitlyn Clark, people think that that shouldn't matter, but that is the central mission. And I don't know if this is like this certain circumstance is setting Kaitlyn up for success. Her not playing

with the team, her not having experience out there as much as the other women. It just, there's a lot of factors that go into these types of decisions that are the reality and not like our dream for what we want the women's game to be. The women's game has always been the most competitive league in the world. And then you whittle that down and now this is the most competitive team in the world. That's what it's consistently been. That's the reason why they've won seven Olympic gold medals straight. They don't want to deviate from that just because of what people deem is popular or what people deem is, oh, this is a move for business. The business that they want to handle is winning on the floor. That's always been Team USA's priority. And I think because of the expectation that surrounds Kaitlyn Clark,

people think it should shift. Team USA said, no, it's not going to because that's not what we've always done. Go ahead, Ocho. But I think, listen, I agree with what she said. I think Kaitlyn Clark will have her time knowing the player that she has been

based on what I've been able to see when she was at Iowa, based on what I've seen so far in her short stint in WNBA, she likes the fact that she wasn't picked. It gives her something to strive for. Like she said, they created a monster. This is something you want to strive for and being able to represent your country

at some point, if it's not right now, later on down the road. Obviously, again, the resume of the ladies that are part of Team USA are those that have chemistry together, they play well together, and they have an extensive resume of the ladies that are part of Team USA are those that have chemistry together. They play well together and they have an extensive resume of work, a body of work that they put in, which is why they've all they've all been assembled like the Avengers to represent our country. Can I ask you, do you do you believe that the 12 best women are on this team? Absolutely. I do. Now, there are some areas that I am concerned about.

And let's get personal for a second. OK, guys. OK, because, you know, it's hilarious. What's hilarious? Everyone woke up so big mad that Caitlin Clark did not make the team because everyone's looking forward to her having the spotlight in the biggest moments. This is how I felt personally when I didn't make a team. You should. This is how my sister felt as the only MVP that never made an Olympic roster. It was heartbreaking. It was devastating.

And y'all have blood in the game. I got blood in the game. Now, I understand. I understand that Caitlin has the eyeballs that no player who has picked up a ball has ever had before. So I'm not saying that my circumstance

or my sister's circumstance should have been anything different. But I just think it's funny So I'm not saying that my circumstance or my sister's circumstance should have been anything different. But I just think it's funny because I'm like, y'all really care for the right reasons because you want to see the game grow. But I do think there's a difference between women and men. In the WNBA and women's basketball, our approach to the game is to honor the game, to respect the game, to play the game the right way. For so many years, people have been critical. Our league has been joked about for a long time. So many people come in with preconceived notions about what women's basketball is. And yes, Caitlyn is a part of changing that narrative, but that doesn't mean we change our

entire sport. That doesn't mean that we change the integrity to which we assemble rosters to go win Olympic gold. That doesn't mean we change how we compete on the floor. And I know you were talking to me about competing like, today that hard foul wasn't competition. You know what Caitlin said? Caitlin said the next day, this happens in the heat of competition. People

lose their cool, but we keep it pushing. You know what I'm saying? So like, as women, we have, let me tell you something, Omp and Ocho, we have not played for the paychecks. We are playing for the legacy. We are playing for our reputation. We are playing because we are upholding the standards to which women's basketball has dominated, even though so many people have been critical of us.

And so when we keep that same energy, when it comes to picking the Olympic roster, people are like, oh, you don't know what's good for you. Y'all didn't care beforehand, but we are consistent in how we approach the game. I'm talking to you like, I don't know how many times I have to say it, like for people to understand it. It's hard because like today I sit on air and I'm like, I've been in those rooms when I'm about to get cut. You know what I'm saying? Right. In those rooms watching people make their dreams come true. It is a process that is sanctified.

It is a process that is honorable. It is a process that Caitlin has accepted herself. You know what I'm saying? I don't think she has much choice. She doesn't have a choice, but you're right. But she did have a choice to react to so many different things, but look at how she reacted to that one. Yeah. I think the thing is,

she was always going to take the high road. They, they hard follow. Oh, that's it. And the heat of the competition. Oh, there are a lot of great,

you know, the thing is that she has an image to uphold. And a lot of times saying the right things when you, when you could easily said the wrong thing. I think that's a part of it. Like you, you could have been like, hold on. I've come up through the ranks playing 16, 17, under 18. I was under 20.

And hold on. So y'all talk about experience. I've got international experience. Now it's a problem. Your sister. I'm an MVP. I'm a champion. Oh, now what's the excuse now?

Nah, you know what's crazy? Because the conversation was about marketing and this is how you need to know about marketing. I'm like, bro, we've been suffering from other people trying to market our league and not accepting the authentic nature of the competitors, the athletes that we are right now. You think we don't know about marketing?

We've been shaking down the roof to try to get marketed the way that we want to. We want people to see the trash talk. We want people to see the competitive fire. We want people to challenge each other. We want people to see us as the badass female athletes that we are. But now it's like, oh, you guys don't know. We've been fighting to be ourselves for so long. And finally, society has the eye to be like, oh, this is women's basketball. Oh, this is hoops. The problem is, is that some people have come in just through the lens of one player, not understanding how the entire ecosystem works yeah i do and so that's the frustrating part but

we accept it because we understand that growth is necessary even including all of these growing picks and the funny thing when i think about it obviously me being a new fan to the wmba and just learning about it obviously going to a dream dream dream game a month ago and seeing a few players play and now becoming a little bit more knowledgeable about the game in itself. I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying the trash. How are the vibes in Atlanta? Tell me. Huh? How are the vibes in Atlanta? Listen, I've never been to the club. I haven't been to the club since like 1999.

But if I had to give you an example or an analogy on what it's like, that's what the Dream Game was like. But on top of that, the Dallas Wings and Dream Game was exciting on the court. Forget what was going on off the court, because off the court made what was going on on the court that much even better. So I was really excited, and I'm hoping, Unc, when we go on our little tour, every season we go to, there's a WNBA team. So I'm hoping we can attend a game so he can get that same experience. Wait, this is Nightcap, right?

Yeah. So a lot of people see me on air and they understand Sinead's facts and figures. People don't really know me. I don't share myself too much, but I feel like this is the right format for me to share myself. Also, you said you haven't been to the club. I'll tell you a story about the club in Atlanta. So you thought, you guys know me. I'm like a wholesome lady.

Yes, right, right, right, right, right, right. Okay, I'm a wholesome lady. I don't do too much. Y'all don't see me outside too much. But, you know, I did secure something. So you know how I do. So you went, I got it. You went, I got it.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. Come on now. Okay, so this is one of the things. I went to Atlanta and my teammates, they be moving around. They be outside. And one of our games at that time was like 9 p.m. So we didn't finish until maybe 11. And I was looking on my phone.

I was like, y'all, game's over. We got the dub. I was like, man, I'm hungry. I need something to eat. But everything's closed. One of my teammates from, oh, you know, I'm from out here. I know where we can go. It's always open.

I was like, okay, cool. I just trusted her. I just trusted her. I just trusted her. It wasn't, was it Cheetah? Is it called Cheetah? Is that in Atlanta? Was it?

It wasn't Magic City. You got the Cheetah right down the street on Spring Street. Thank you. That's where I went. She said, look,

it's always open. I was eating my post game meal, winged, and then looked up and saw Cheetah. Like, that was, that was my post game meal. So winked and then looked up and saw cheese. Like that was my post-game meal. So yeah, when you say you don't go to the club, I don't go to the club either,

but I still end up there because it be like that sometimes. Right, listen, that experience, I've been trying to explain it to people, but words don't work. Words don't work. It's like trying to explain soccer to people. You'll never understand until you actually understand

and you're able to experience it yourself. Those were the best wins I've had, by the way. That's what I try to tell people. People think I be lying when I say, because they be having

five-star chefs. They be having chefs that work in fine restaurants and casinos and things of that nature. No, they really be putting it down in that, Jene. Yeah, I like it.

I learned it. I learned it post-game. That was my post-game week. And what I've tried to tell him, everybody vibe ain't like Atlanta. Atlanta is a different vibe. You go to the Hawks game, you go to the Dream game,

you go to the soccer game, you go to the stadium, Mercedes-Benz, it's a different vibe, Ocho. So everybody don't vibe like the 8th. So you expect that every arena that you go to, it's a different vibe, Ocho. So everybody don't vibe like the 8th. So you expect that like every arena that you go to, it's going to be like a club setting. Nah, they got barbers, chairs. They got everything going on in the stadium.

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has the world really caught up do they have maybe they don't send them over here to the WNBA and they just play on their club team but has the world really caught caught up to us that quickly oh absolutely I think so I mean if you look this is the first generation of players that have the benefit of learning from YouTube. When we grew up watching sports, how do we learn from the backyard, going from our coaches? I had to go to A to listen to a coach that was just a parent of a daughter that was there. Now people can watch the games globally. People can watch the skills and go practice it instantly. There's more infrastructure to support sports. And then on top of it,

we have people in the women's game that are not showing up for the WNBA, taking seasons off just to practice with their national team because they understand that being on your national team is where you can really build your own marketing too. Like this is a place where you can be a star, whereas in the W, maybe you are a role player.

So you have teams. There's a woman named Emma Mieseman who plays for Belgium, I believe, who is one of the coldest people in WBA. Y'all, she's like Luka in a way. She doesn't play faster than she needs to. She's going to get her shot off and she's just efficient. Now, she's not like a guard. She's more of a forward. But my point is, is that she's cold. She's been playing with her team for like two years straight that's why it took a buzzer beater for uh usa earlier this year to beat to beat them because these women are competing year-round similar to us but they also have the

chemistry they've been playing together since they were babies now that's one of the things that we have the benefit of having so much talent that sometimes talent overwhelms. But nowadays, with the different international rules, with the increased skill set, just with the overall chemistry that these teams have been playing with forever, it's a little bit more challenging than we ever expected. That's why no one really says that USA winning, or even whether it's the men winning, which we saw last summer, is just a walk in the park and assumption. You have to go out there and earn it. And I'll lastly say this. I think that women's sports, you know that saying you have to work twice as hard to get out of the sport, right? For people to really get the viewership, to get the respect, it feels like we always have to be perfect. We always have to be

on. That's how women operate, not just in sports. As a broadcaster, I always have to lead with the facts and the figures. I have to keep my feelings to the side because the moment I show my feelings, people are like, oh, what does she know? Why does she feel like she can speak on X, Y, and Z? That's just the nature that we're in. I'll say this, and Ocho, people see you before they hear you. They judge you before they know you. So you have to go out there and be perfect. Why should we play loose and fast at times with the rules of who should be on the squad, which could compromise the integrity of the game,

when we know that we're being criticized regardless? We just have to be consistent in our pursuit of perfection. That, to me, is what it's like to be a woman or to be a female athlete. That is the challenge that we're always up against. My sister always said, why are we catering to a group that only came just for this certain moment

and not came to see the beauty of the entire landscape, the beauty of the entire ecosystem? We will accept, we will welcome, but we will not conform to something that has not made us better individually. What made us the best is that we go up against the best each and every night. You know what I'm saying?

So there's things that make the way women approach sports because we are constantly dealing with criticism different than men. And I think it's okay. I think it's perfectly okay. What do you say to the people

that says, okay, yeah, they might have not been here before, but they're here now. It's kind of like, you know, we have this, okay, you're 30, you're 30, 31 years of age and, well, you got married at 30, 31

and so if somebody said like, dang, they probably would say, what's taking you so long? It doesn't matter when it happened, it's that the fact that it did happen. And we understand that Kalen Clark came with a different lens than anybody in the history of the game. Because of the NIL situation, because of the marketing brand that was behind her.

And we know why. We don't have to get into the nuances. We know why. Because it was a perfect storm. But how about we take this perfect storm and while it's spinning, we let it sweep up everybody that's in its path, which is the WNBA. Well, I think the difference here is because she has gotten everything that she has needed in some regards. This is the first time that she, per se, has been denied something that people are surprised by. She got number one.

She is the face of a new franchise. She's honestly, unfortunately, considered by many that are new to this, the face of the WNBA and one of the most popular faces now in American sports, right? I'll say this. We talk about like no one,

Asia Wilson has a chokehold on the league, but the way that we talk about Caitlyn, I wish we could switch the dynamics but what it is what it is right now she has gotten a lot and no one's saying that she won't get it they're just saying that right now while all the eyeballs are there yes you feel like there's a great expectation but i don't think you want to like there's a reason why she chose going to the wmba instead of taking that big three contract. It's because she wanted to honor and respect the integrity of the sport and the competition in which she plays.

You know what I'm saying? Not everything is, like, what is delayed is not denied. She will be an Olympian if she continues on this trajectory. Has she been set up for success? Is this team being set up for success? Or is being popular more important? This is the one group that does not really move based off of popularity. And I think that's what people don't

really understand. Clearly, clearly. Well, Chanae, we're going to thank you for just stopping by. We know you only had a brief moment, but thank you for joining Ocho and I on Nightcap. Ladies and gentlemen, Chanae Umake, my colleague at ESPN First Take. Thank you for joining us. Good night and

see you soon. Always. I'll come back. I feel like I can be a young aunt here. You're welcome back anytime. I don't drink, but we can kick it next time. We can kick it again. Thank you, Chanae. Chanae Bumake, ladies and gentlemen.

Ocho, you and I, we've had these conversations and we've gone ladies and gentlemen. Ocho, you and I, we've had these conversations and we've gone back and forth. You've gone to a WNBA game. I mean, look, she came in with a different set of lenses. If you look at the games that she's played in in college, they've been some of the

biggest games. You look at the games, I think they had a game in the football stadium and they drew 40-something thousand fans. If I'm not mistaken, don't quote me on that, but I i think they had a game in the football stadium and they drew 40 something thousand fans uh and i if i'm not mistaken don't quote me on that but i think they did have a game at uh at the football stadium um it was and guess what there's a great chance that in the 2025 all-star game she's gonna be shooting three pointers against somebody now we saw in that school shoot against steph. Now, is it going to be, if,

if, is it going to be her against Dame, her against another great three point shooter, or is it going to be her against Steph Curry? But there's a great chance because the crossover, we know how many eyes are on the three point competition. So guess what? We've got a lady from the WNBA that's competing.

And she, she, she, she showed herself well. Yes, I'm sure she would have loved to win, but she didn't go out there and Steph hit 25 and she hit 10. Oh, she made him work for that

thing, Ocho. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He made him work for that. And so I think the thing is, look, they want the same thing we want. They want the league to grow. And if it means that it's going to take a little bit more time to grow and we don't move somebody to the front of the line, they're okay with that.

But me, after like, Ocho, you know, it's kind of like, I look at like civil rights. No, we want to move to the front of the line. Damn that. We've been waiting 385 years. Now it's time. We want to go to the front of the line. When you waited this long, because you know,

when you waited this long, you might as well go ahead with hell now. Well, listen, like my grandma always said, there's more than one way to skin a cat. There's always more than one way to skin a cat. And obviously, after watching y'all on First Take this morning, I would like for people, for the people watching, people in the chat, I would like for us to be able to have a healthy discourse

where we can agree to disagree on a difference of opinion. Some people are going to agree with you. Some people are not. There's a way you can go about it. You can engage. You can talk about your topics. You can state your facts. You can state your opinions. You can state whatever it is. But a lot of people at this point

now, they get a little belligerent. They get a get a little disrespectful when it's not when it's they're not when it's when they're when your opinion don't coincide with theirs yeah now you can't be now you now you showing up for the for the man now you're tuning now you're stepping and fetching but as long as you see that's that's not how it's supposed to be. Oh, Joe, when I'm at that desk, I don't see man, woman. I see people that I'm debating against. So now what y'all want me to choose? Now y'all say one minute, y'all want to be treated equal,

y'all want fair, y'all want X, Y, and Z. But now, Shannon, tone it down. I mean, you're so passionate. Those are women. Hold on. You say they're not fragile. You say you don't want to be treated fragile.

But when I debate, like I debate and conversate with this Kendrick Perkins, where this deal with this ride with it, it's a problem. So which is it? What do you want me to do? You want me to see y'all want me to go outside of what I do. But y'all didn't want the WNBA and the Olympic women's team to go outside what they do. So you got to pick and choose. Yeah. I just, reading some of the comments, man, just it's a little too harsh.

Like everybody, everybody reaching. Listen, it's okay to have a difference in opinion. You say one thing, somebody else has another. You know what? We can agree to disagree. We're going about our day. Ocho, you have your opinion. I i have mine i might come at you and say well cho tell me why you think this you might say well tell me why you think that okay that's oh that's ocho's opinion his opinion might differ from mine we might have some same opinions but here's the thing they're like will

you be going you'll going you be going easy with steven a now if at first y'all say we was manufacturing topics on the other show we manufacturing topics now y'all say i go along with steven a but if i were to go at steven a's neck you're gonna say see you ain't do that to old boy over there you see how we do our own yeah i don't know we're in situation no joke so at the end of the day, I got to be true to me. I'm a very passionate person. So when I have a debate or we have

healthy conversations about a certain topic, yes, my presence, my voice projects. I don't look at like, oh man, I got to be, hey guys, well I think they should have, that's not who I am. And I understand that Jhene is a woman. I understand that Andrea Carter

and Monica, but if you were to ask them, they don't want me to go easy. They ain't going easy on me. They ain't going easy on me. They trying to come at my neck and rightfully so. Just like Steve and A. Steve and A and I agree on some things.

Some things we don't. We don't, yeah. Me and Dan Oloski. Some things we, D.O., we agree on. Perk, a boog. Ryan, hey, we agree to disagree. But I'm going to be passionate, and I'm going to argue my point. And, okay, that's how I see it.

That's not how they see it.o and i we go we have some heated conversations about receivers about quarterback play but that's how he sees it right and we gotta we gotta stop this notion as if you black as long as i'm trumpeting for the black scene as kent said the line isn't drawn at black and white is drawn in the truth. It's drawn in right and wrong. Yeah. Now all the times as much, I was one of the only ones, the only ones on television that spoke glowingly and believe that Colin

Kaepernick was in the right. And when everybody else was like, be quiet, shut up. I kept standing on that. Now, everybody else was like, be quiet, shut up. I kept standing on that. Now, all of a sudden, I say one thing that the masses don't agree with.

You stepping and fetching. You should be that white woman's agent. Now, flip it around. If I was supporting her and she was black, am I stepping and fetching? I mean, what's going on? So y'all just got to pick and choose. am I stepping in fetching? I mean, what's going on? Right.

So y'all just got to pick and choose. We're not going to agree. If somebody agree with you on everything, you need to get rid of them. Yeah. Anybody that will agree with you on every single thing that you say, they're not your friend.

They do not have your best interest in mind. At all. At all. They a do boy or boy or do girl they do whatever you say because of the position that you in so understand that you can't please everybody and that's okay and a lot of people that's on the that's in the chat and there's commenting they don't that's not that's not the entire world that's not your entire fan base yeah even sometimes that i say things that even some of my most ardent supporters they disagree with yeah sometimes people that disagree normally disagree with but they agree with but that's okay that's a part of it if you agree with everything i say i got a problem because

i need to know why you agree with everything i say am I right on everything I mean sometimes I think I am but I'm not right no I argue the facts to the best of my ability I look at facts I look at situation I try to look at like okay what are you trying to do here you're trying to grow it you're trying to like 76,000 Caitlin Clark took a pay cut to go to the goal. Who takes a pay cut to go professional? Think about Ocho. You in college and all of a sudden your first job is less than you was making in college. In college, yeah. You're like, well, hell, what did I go to school and get this degree for?

You mean to tell me I went into debt for a quarter of a million and now I got this job that, hell, I don't know how I'm going to pay these loans off. My kid, my grandkids going to be playing on this debt. But understandable that she's in a fortunate position. Yes. To where she might be taking less to play in the WNBA, but she's making the marketing. Yes. Times much more from a marketing standpoint.

And I understand Ocho. She came in without playing a game she got a she got a signature shoe deal i understand her think about this i want you to think about this only her and michael jordan has ever had a basketball deal a basket the thing that they play with, her and Michael Jordan. I get it. I get it. Remember, they changed the rules because them rookie quarterbacks,

Sam Bradford had a quarterback. He was the highest paid player. And the player said, the hell with that. So I get a lot of people's frustration because it's oh so you're working on the job and you find out somebody came in they just got there and they make it more to you you're gonna feel some type of way it's just natural right it's just natural but i believe in her situation that the more eyes we talk yeah it. Yeah, we talk about her probably for too much. Yeah, probably so.

But the mere fact that we're talking about the WNBA in which she's a member of, my goal is to like, hey, hopefully these women one day they're making two, three million dollars a year. Because there's a big, Ocho, there's a big difference between a woman making a million dollars and a woman making a hundred thousand. There's a big difference. We woman making a million dollars and a woman making $100,000.

There's a big difference. We know the difference because we've been on the end of the spectrum where we've made that. And we know the comfort level that you have when you make that kind of money. And they don't have to go overseas and play and put that wear and tear on their body.

They can just stay here, make a great living in the WNBA, get a couple of deals, get a couple of marketing deals, and, you know, endorsements. And be set. Yeah, and make a good living. Yeah, I like it. I like the fact that the WNBA right now,

as we continue to talk about it, whether people are tired of us talking about Caitlin Clark, or whether people are tired of us talking about Angel Reese, or whether people are tired of us talking about Asia Wilson or whether people are tired of us talking about Asia Wilson is the fact that the WNBA is dominating headlines. Yes. We in the NBA finals

and we are dominating headlines like the goddamn Dallas Cowboys or the goddamn Lakers. Yes. Just like them. There's a reason why they put the Cowboys on every chance they get.

If they could put the Cowboys on every single week on national television, they would, don't you? They would, yeah. Because, go look at the top five rated games. Go look at the top ten rated games last year and see who's in them.

Yeah. It is what it is. Yeah. It is what it is. So, I'm glad we were able to have Chanae on her to have it uh last week we had uh uh monica on we had janae on tonight so hopefully you know look she's not gonna be on she's not gonna be on the team i'm looking at it purely like i believe they're gonna win the championship if you don't play with two minutes a game kind of like christian layton how many times think about it they would be people by average of 45 points and Christian Leighton was playing two minutes.

And they up 50. They beat teams by 80. Yeah. So that's, but she said that she believes the world is catching up. So we'll find out. I just hope this momentum that this crop has come in with, this rookie class, and the momentum of us talking

about Ocho, hopefully that translates to dollars. Dollars, which, you know, I hate to use that trickle-down effect, that trickle-down effect, but I just hopefully that more people will be in attendance and watch, and the viewership, we have the numbers we see

approximately 400,000 fans attended the WNBA game since the tip-off season through the end of May the most through the first month of the season in 26 years more than half of all WNBA games were sellouts which is 156 percent increase May set an all-time high for WNBA league pass with subscription with a 335 percent increase WNBA social media channels garnered 157 million views through the first week of the season. The most viewed WNBA tip-off week

on social media ever, up 380% versus last year. Since the start of the season, the WNBA store has already set a record for the most single-season sales in store history. Overall transactions are up 756% versus the same time last year. You became the first.

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there's one thing about them numbers, boy. Them numbers do not lie, boy. Boy, them numbers do not lie. Nope. But God damn. So hopefully they can keep it going. Look, the problem is you're just on a crappy team, Ocho. There's a reason why they've had back-to-back, the number one overall pick. They're bad.

They're not a good team. Right. And sometimes, no matter how good you are, it's not like a situation where Magic Johnson, he went to a team that had a five-time MVP on it with Kareem. Right. Larry Bird went to a team. They ended up having Kevin McHale.

They had Robert Parrish. They had Nate Tiny Archibald. They had Cedric Cornbread Maxwell. She went to a team. They're not very good. There's no way around it. And, you know, it's not like Ma Moore. She goes to Minnesota, and they got Simone Augustus.

They got Sylvia Fowles. Right. Look at DT. they got Simone Augustus. They got Sylvia Fowles. Right. Look at DT. She got Taurasi. So, you know, Stewie. Stewie went to the team. They got end up getting Jewel Lloyd. They had Sue Bird. So, I mean, she gonna need

some help around her. She ain't finna do all this by herself. No one does. But, I'm glad we're talking about it. Hopefully things, these women, hopefully they win the gold. I'm watching it.

All that bull jive, I ain't watching it because Kaitlyn Clark, bull jive. I'm watching. I'm watching it. Check this out, Ocho. After speculation about the move

to the NBA, bless you, Dan Hurley is staying at UConn. Hurley is coming off back-to-back national championship with UConn. Hurley is coming out back-to-back national championship with UConn. He's turning down a major payday with the Lakers to stay at the Huskies per multiple reports.

Hurley turned down six years, $70 million offer in favor of chasing a third straight national title with UConn. The deal would have made Hurley one of the top six highest paid coaches in the NBA had he accepted. Yeah, listen, I talked to Dan earlier.

I talked to Dan earlier. I really wanted to get a jump on the rest of the media, the rest of the analysts, the rest of the pundits that would have a story on why did Dan decide not to take the job. I mean, when you think about it, who turned down a historic franchise like the Lakers, especially with a magnificent deal like six for 70, magnificent huge deal to me would have been six for 100.

Now, I think 100 would have made him move. Six for 70, he can come back and he can go back and coach and go for a third title in college and probably get six for 70 somewhere else if that's what he chooses to do. But I think if you look at the resume and the body of work

of all the coaches that have been with the Lakers, I don't think any of them got past three years. Well, not because you had Luke Walton, you had Frank Bogle, you had Darvin Hamm, and now they're looking for the next coach. And all those coaches, since LeBron has been there, I think LeBron is heading into his seventh season. He got there in 2019, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24.

Name one of those coaches who's gone over three years. No. Not one of them. So obviously, that plays part in it. Uprooting your entire family out of Connecticut to move to LA knowing that you're going to only be there two years. LeBron, you don't know how long LeBron

is going to be there. It's 18 right now. There are too many other question marks as far as the Lakers are concerned going into this season what's going to happen so listen why not just stay home make another run at another title probably win another title maybe two

and if the opportunity presents itself again for you to have a head coaching job then you can do it on the back end and not right now. It's not good enough, Ojo. Look, Ty Lue just got five years,

$14 million a year, five years, $70 million. Right. You can't make him one of the highest paid because you're asking him to uproot his family,

move clear cross country when he's mainly, predominantly been on the East Coast. So in order, it's kind of like a free agent. You got to blow me away. Give me

six years, 15 million. Now you got to make him an offer that he can't refuse. That is why I said, hold on. How much you say? You say five years, 80 million, five years, 90 million?

Let's reevaluate this, baby. You know what I'm saying? I'm saying, because in pre-agency, Ocho, why would he leave the situation that he's in? He's comfortable. He knows that his wife is comfortable. His kids are comfortable. He's a predominantly East Coast guy.

To move, that's a big transition going from East Coast when you've been there predominantly and coming to the West Coast. And now, first of all, Uncle Sam going to take 50% of that anyway. Oh, yeah. Let me get that. Let me get that up off you. Please. Let me get that up off you.

And then, obviously, you're going from Connecticut and you're going into Hollywood. You're going to Connecticut where you're going to Hollywood. You're going to Connecticut. We go into Hollywood where it's not even basketball first. Hell is about entertainment. Then comes basketball. Right. And that goes against everything. But a little bit of college football that I've watched that Yukon even stands for.

Right. So it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be very, very interesting to, to, to see who they hire now. Do they turn their attention back to J.J. Reddick?

It seems like because everybody was talking about J.J. Reddick, J.J. Reddick, J.J. Reddick, they kind of pivoted. Knowing that the likelihood of this man going to take, you know, give him $11.5, $11.6 million a year, the likelihood he's probably going to turn that down and say, well, we tried, we tried. No, he's going to say, no, I want $17, $11.6 million a year, the likelihood he's probably going to turn that down. We tried. No. He's going to say, no. I want $17, $18 million a year

and I'm going to pick my own staff. Y'all will have no say in who I hire. They probably wouldn't allow him to do that. It is the Lakers now. It is the Lakers. They'll throw some money out there. They didn't throw enough out there to not make you change your mind,

but make your wife tell your husband, wait a minute, baby. We might need to re-evaluate this. Exactly. Exactly. Even if you don't make it and they allow you

to coach for two years and you get fired, look at the little nice nest egg you got to sit back on. Oh, yeah. Because you can always go back to coaching in college. Yeah.

And I ain't got no offset language. So if y'all fire me, I'm going to get all this money. And when I go back to college, I'm going to get their money too. So I'm going to double deal. Yeah. Because y'all going to try to say, well, we're going to have to put the offset language that if you go back to college, whatever you get against that will count against the money that we know you're not. Oh, no. Oh, could never do that.

No, y'all going to pay this. I'm going to get all that. Give me all that. So the Lakers are still without a head coach. Dan Hurley decides to go back to UConn. I don't think many people are surprised by that, given how the Lakers. Somebody wants to look. They're the Lakers, Ocho.

It's like the Cowboys. It's like the Yankees, the Dodgers, the Cardinals, and baseball. You're talking about the Cubs. Somebody gonna want, those are, you know, cornerstone franchises. Somebody's gonna want to coach. Yeah.

I mean, at what cost? At what cost? Because, you know, it's short-lived. You get the fame, you get the glory for one, two years. If somebody say, oh, Joe,

we're going to let you play, we're going to let you be the president of the United States, but you're only going to serve one term. What, you're going to say, nah, man, I want two terms.

I want to be a two-term president. Oh, listen. Exactly. They mess around and let me be the president of the United States? Boy, I'm going to turn this country around so goddamn fast. They're going to let me be the president of the United States? Boy, I'm going to turn this country around

so goddamn fast. They ain't going to let you turn it around. Hey, but listen. I'm going to turn this country around so fast, they ain't going to know what hit them.

Like, I already know who run the show anyway. I already know who run the show. I'm going to just let them know. Man, listen. I need y'all to sit back. Let me do my thing

for this one term and y'all can come on back into play and do all your power moves that you do behind the scenes. But while I'm here, while I'm representing my people, let me do what I need to do. Okay? They're going to make you a lame duck, Ocho.

It ain't going to pass nothing. No, shit me. That go for all 13 of them families. Y'all know who I'm talking to. I know y'all see me. Darvin Hamm returns to the Bucs as an assistant. The Highwind Marker homecoming for Hamm, who was the assistant on the Bucs,

head coach Mike Boonhoser from 2018 to 2022 before heading to the Lakers. Boonhoser and Hamm led Milwaukee to a championship in 2021. Hamm also played for Milwaukee from 1999 to 2002 during his tenure in the NBA as a forward. He had an opportunity

to join Bud in Phoenix. He said no. He joins Doc in Milwaukee. Does this mean because it didn't turn out very well for Doc, he had,

you know, I think he might have had maybe a 500 record or maybe slightly below 500 record. Right. Filling in for Adrian Griffin, taking over Adrian Griffin. Is Darvin Ham looking like, hey, Boone Hose is going to be there for a minute. But if Doc get off to a shaky start, it might be my opportunity. I'm the next man up, huh?

That could be the situation. I'm the next man up, huh? That could be the situation. I think there's a lot of pressure. There's a lot of pressure on Giannis and them young bulls over there that play well together. I would think so, but most of the

time, I think it's on the players. Right? I think it's on the players. Do we really like... How do I say it's on the players, right? I think it's on the players. Do we really like, how do I say it? Giannis, I think, had some type of disagreement with the, what's the prior coach? I forgot his name. Budenholzer. Oh, you talking about Adrian Griffin.

When it seemed like he had problems, Jason Kidd was Giannis' coach. Mike Budenholzer. Who won a championship. He won two MVPs and a final MVP. He having problems with everybody. He having problems with everybody. So who is the real problem here?

This is what we know. When you are a superstar, if the coach is serving at the behest of the superstar. Right. So if Yanni would have wanted Jason Kidd to stay, Jason Kidd would have been there.

If Yanni would have wanted Mike Boothoser to stay, he would have stayed. Adrian Griffin got fired and he was 43 and 19? 19, yeah. Yeah, they were doing well. They were doing well. And he got fired. And all of a sudden, don't nobody know anything.

Come on, dude. Come on now. We know how this works. It's okay. It's okay. Yeah, something's not right. Something's not right. You got Dame over there. You got Dame over there, to be honest.

I mean... It happens. Magic won a championship with paul west with paul west head but magic says you know the style he wanted to slow it down we needed to get up we butted heads somebody had to go right who you think jerry west was gonna side with the head coach or a 21 year old finals mvp right Let me take that back. Yeah, a 21-year-old finals MVP. Right.

Come on, man. So Giannis, a two-time league MVP, a finals MVP, probably six, seven consecutive time first team all NBA. Man, you know how much that meant. And he's in a small market. You could ill afford to have Giannis to leave. Because the best player that you had prior to Giannis was Kareem. He left.

You can't have your small markets. If you're big time guys, you get lucky. Can you imagine if Tim Duncan had left Orlando? I mean, excuse me, left San Antonio and went to Orlando. And the only reason that he didn't go is because the families couldn't fly on the plane with the loved ones. And the Spurs did allow that. And mama say, well, you know what that mean, right? We're going back to San Antonio.

Antonio, yeah. But can you imagine what that would have done? Right. That's crazy how you can think about how a player can have a institution or a franchise in a chokehold like that when they're that good. And how long do they put up with that?

Because you know you got that famous phrase, they tolerate you for as long as they can until they can replace you. Until they can find somebody, until they find another Giannis. How long before they find another Kareem? Kareem with him walking from what, 69 to 76? Yeah.

Man, that's crazy. I mean, he's good. He's great at what rated what he does he's ready what he does they got a nice three-headed muscle over there with middleton him and him and middleton so the volume i'm michael casson founder and ceo of 3c ventures and your guide on good company the podcast where i sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core.

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