Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Commanders stun Lions, Chiefs 7th straight AFC title appearance, Kelce GOAT

Episode Date: January 19, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to rookie QB Jayden Daniels leading the charge for the Washington Commanders in a STUNNING victory over Jared Goff and the Detroit Lions to advance to the NFC Championship game. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce and the Kansas City Chiefs defeating CJ Stroud and the Houston Texans to advance to their 7th straight AFC title game, Travis Kelce is the GOAT of tight ends and much more!05:53 - Show start06:35 - Intro08:30 - Commanders v Lions41:45 - Chiefs v Texans(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, Joe, we talked about it. The commander stunned the Lions. 45-31 to advance to the NFC Championship game. It's their first advancement since 1992. Jayden Daniels threw for 299 yards, two touchdowns. Jerry Groff had a brutal day, and this is what concerned me, Ocho. Yeah. When your defense is a little sus with all those injuries,

the last thing you can do is turn the ball over. Exactly. And you definitely can't turn it over four times. You play double. You gave a big six up. You took points off the board with Jamison Williams. You gave him a short field to get another touchdown, and at the end, that little interception didn't matter.

But you still have four turnovers. Detroit defense had no answer for Washington's offense. They racked up almost 500 yards of total offense. Only had to punt the ball once. The Commanders will face the winner of the Eagles and the Rams game. The Lions' season ends with massive disappointment, and they expect to have a huge turnover. It's reported that both coordinators are probably going to leave.

Ben Johnson being rumored to go into the Las Vegas Raiders, and Aaron Glenn, potential the Jets or the Saints. We'll see how that plays out. But Detroit, we'll have to wait another year. Very disappointing season, 15 wins. A lot of Pro Bowl players on that side, on that football team, Ocho. But the first Super Bowl appearance for the Detroit Lions, we'll have to wait another year. Ocho. Yeah. Hey, let me tell you something, man. Listen, I know the Lions lost, and obviously golf has to play better with the defense being held together by duct tape.

Basically, their third string out there. They have a few playmakers. That's pretty much it. Obviously, golf has to understand in order for you to even have a chance, a winning chance, you can't turn the ball over. You just can't. You can't. That first half of football. I tweeted and I asked and a lot of people answered when was the last time we seen a half of football that exciting and that good where teams were scoring back to back almost every well it seemed like almost every series now there was well you saw it you saw it three weeks ago with buffalo in detroit yo you saw it again with buffalo in the Rams. And I think in 2019, if I'm not mistaken, in 2019... The Chiefs in the Rams?

Man, I wish football was like that every Sunday. Oh, hell no. Every Sunday. But the fact that we were able to get this treat tonight and the upset that the commanders put on the Lions was absolutely phenomenal. And I want people to understand how important it is and why teams invest in

quarterbacks and why they pay quarterbacks the kind of money they pay. Because when you get a franchise quarterback like this, it turns your franchise around immediately. Immediately. You have to think, they haven't been in an NFC championship in the past 33 years. Yep. The past 33 years.

This is the first time they scored 45 points 45 points which is a franchise record in the playoffs man I don't even know what to say I'm so god damn excited obviously for Jayden Daniels, for Commanders fans that have

waited for this for who knows how long who knows how long just to be in contention, just to be able to compete week to week, and now to be playing an NFC championship at the 33-year hiatus is awesome, man. It's awesome. Yeah, you pay double for turnovers, Ocho,

but it doesn't matter if the team can't capitalize on their turnovers. And when they turned the ball over Detroit, Washington made them play the ultimate price. They got points out of them. Every time. Except that interception at the end of the first half, Ocho. I don't know.

Golf didn't play well today. Yeah. There's no way around it. He didn't play well. He got Jamison Williams. I don't know why he would throw that post so flat. Because the guy's in a trail position. He's going to jet it.

If you throw it flat, he's going to jet it. We call it jetting. But what we mean is that he's going to undercut it. Cut it, yeah, every time. You can't throw the ball that flat. You got to throw it. You got the whole field. Why you put no air up under it? Yes! And then, to me,

honestly, I think the ball was late a little bit. It was. I think the ball was a little late because that's the first thing I tweeted. I said, man, that ball is late. Yeah. Yeah, it the ball was a little late because that's the first thing i first thing i tweet i'm saying man that ball is late yeah yeah it was but when you turn the ball over like that get jane daniels man hey i don't know this rookie season that he's having look you know we go back and talk about rookie season we saw cj stroud had an unbelievable season he was rookie of the year right we say rg3 season he was rookie of the year but for him to do what

because look we've seen rookie quarterbacks go to the playoff yes sir if i'm not mistaken i think mark sanchez went to the playoff yeah but that was a defensive lead football team because we saw joe flacco go to the playoffs right that was a defensive football team right this is an offensive led football team their quarterback is asked to do an awful lot a lot and he's like okay let me do it whatever you whatever you need from me i can handle it but as a rookie on as a rookie he's not supposed to be this goddamn good this early do you see his composure on a zero blitz yes three man coming right at him he's sitting there chilling just waiting just waiting he hit urts twice yes blitz yes what the hell and i'm that uh uh brown makes an unbelievable catch terry mclaurin they catch him with a bomb they catch him with a a

blitz it wasn't blit because uh uh the safety was in the hole but he takes a terrible angle terrible and mclaurin mclaurin hit the hit the hitets on him, and then he's gone. But, Ocho, the thing is, and we knew this. First of all, they're a pressure team, Detroit's a pressure team to begin with. Oh, yeah. We know once they got the lead, now you've got to take even more chances. Yeah, you ain't got no choice.

Hey, guys, let's just catch the ball. They miss a tackle. You can hit your head on the goal post. It's a wrap. It's a wrap. But, and this what really concerned me because Jared Goff can be great where he goes, we've seen him do this, Ocho,

go 18 of 18 for a game. Weeks at a time. But we've seen him turn the ball, throw five picks against the Houston Texans. We've seen him and they win the ball game. We've seen him turn the ball over the Houston Texans. We've seen him, and they win the ball game. We've seen him turn the ball over two times, three times in a game, and they win the ball game. But you can't turn the ball over against a team that's this explosive

on the offensive side of the football. When they got playmakers, when you got Ertz, who's a three-time Pro Bowl player, you got Terry McLaurin, who's going to another Pro Bowl, who's an outstanding receiver, and you got guys playing exceptional. Brown making big-time plays. Guys running the football, the offensive line. When you have a player like a Jaden Daniels at that position,

which is the quarterback position, everybody believes in him. The offensive line blocks a little harder. Guys run a little harder. Guys make tougher and tougher catches for you because they believe so, hey, I can't let this guy down. I believe in him. The whole team. Now the defense is like, hey, let's get the ball back.

Now all of a sudden it seems like the ball has a magnet in it and it's distracted to the other side of the football. I've said this before. You pay double for turnover. Yeah. And when you're... I believe Detroit was the better team. But guess what happens, Ocho,

when you turn the ball over? Yeah. That team that you might be better than and you're up here, you pull them up to your level. Even if everything out. Even if everything out. Now,

they're going to tear your ass up. Yeah. And also what I like, also with the running game, because Jaden Daniels is such a threat similar to Lamar Jackson. I'm not saying he's Lamar Jackson.

I'm just saying the fact that he has the defense to be able to hold when he put that ball in Eckler's belly or he put that ball in Brian Robinson's belly and he make them end

sit for just a little bit allow them guards to go up to the second level and get that block, then you're getting five, six yards of pop every time. Okay, and then you want to crash down? You know what? I'm going to take it and go ahead. That's not your responsibility, though.

Yeah. That's what I don't get. They got it fourth and two. Yeah. Arnold, that's not your responsibility. You have contained. Yeah, yeah, that's not your responsibility. You have contained. Yeah, yeah. Your responsibility is contained. If he runs

for a touchdown on the opposite side, coach, I don't know what you want me to do. That ain't on you. That's not you. Yeah. That's why I couldn't coach Ocho. He knows his responsibility is contained. Right. Why would you take Ocho? I don't give a damn. Hey, I'm going to be looking right here at my gap.

What about Ocho? I don't care. That ain't got nothing to do with me. This is my responsibility over here. And when you're dealing with a guy like him or you're dealing with a guy like Lamar, one false step, the man had a coach tell us all the time, son, if you hesitate, you beat. You take one false step against a Jane Daniel.

You take one false step against a guy like Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen. Yeah. You're beat. It's over. You're not going to recover and stop him from getting two yards. Impossible. That's why they want you to hold contained. Yeah.

Do your responsibility. Yeah. Nothing in the A gap, nothing in the B gap, nothing in the backside A, B, or outside is your responsibility. Yeah. Nothing in the A gap, nothing in the B gap, nothing in the backside A, B, or outside is your responsibility. You abandoned your responsibility and you gave up a first down. Not everybody looking at you. And the funny thing about it is you got your eyes in the backfield on the fake pitch that's going the opposite way anyway.

You wouldn't have been able to get there anyway. What you going to do? What you going to do? We're not going to be able to get there. Chase them in the end zone and have everybody thinking that that's going the opposite way anyway. You wouldn't have been able to get there anyway. What you going to do? What you going to do? You wouldn't have been able to get there. Chase him in the end zone and have everybody think that that's your guy? That's all you're going to do, chase him in the end zone. They're going to be like, man, Arnold got beat again. Yeah. Ocho, if guys would just do their responsibility, whatever that is,

if you got a gap, Ocho, if that guy comes in outside, that ain't my responsibility. I got the A gap. Arnold has contained. He must not contain means nothing gets outside of him. Is it? Nothing. Hey, Ocho, if I'm security at a club, I got the front door.

Somebody coming back, I don't know what y'all want me to do. That ain't my responsibility. Hell, you should have somebody back there. Right, I got the front door. Somebody coming back. I don't know what y'all want me to do. That ain't my responsibility. Hell, you should have somebody back there. Right. I got the front door. Right. Now, what did they tell Vera? Why the girls always coming up?

Are you in charge of the girls, Vera? Yeah, I'm in charge of the girl, quick. So why the money coming up? Why the money coming up short, Vera? You in charge of the girls. Are you? Hold on. Quick.

Are you accusing me of stealing? I'm just saying why everybody always accounted for it, but the money coming up quick with the girls. Arnold, your responsibility. But, okay, now because DQ, he says, I'm going for the death blow. Yeah. I ain't selling for no field goal. I'm going for the death blow. Yeah. I ain't selling for no field goal. I'm going for the death blow. I got this hammer in my hand.

I got the momentum and I'm not going to relinquish it. Yeah. Maybe if you stop them on fourth down, who knows? Maybe that takes some of the wind out of their sail. Right. It gives you some momentum. But what do they do? They go in and score a touchdown.

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You turn the ball over like that in the postseason, you're losing. Yeah. Probably 1,000, probably 999 times out of 1,000, you're going to lose a game. If you give up a pick six, you throw a pick in the end zone, you fumble. Look, like I said, it was four turnovers. He had three picks and a fumble. That last one on show, the game was basically, I you already what you're down 14 points right so you're

not coming back you're not coming back anyway bro you cannot play that bad in that moment right you're too much of a veteran quarterback to be that reckless with the football and then you oh joe this is why they tell and i get it I get Jerry Goff he's like this is a big game this is a vision around the playoff game let me chase but you're not used to chasing so you don't know where those guys are coming from yeah you see the thing is once a you and I somebody get a pick the first thing we do okay we're this thing because somebody coming to get you oh yeah every time they're coming to get you so I just be okay hey let me hey let me because the one time i didn't do that i got my clock clean the first thing the first all i can see is like yeah hey i mean listen rule number

one when there's an interception and you on the off of the team you keep your head on the swivel yes they're coming to pick you off hey listen you pursue but you keep your head on the swivel. Yes, they're coming to pick you off. Hey, listen, you pursue, but you keep your head on the swivel because you don't know where it's coming from. They can't block back anymore, Ocho. No. But if you bring your ass to the ball, they're going to knock you. And you see what happens. Yeah.

The first thing to hit was his back of his head. Back of his head. He never saw Lovo. No. He never saw him. He never saw him. And he put his helmet right up on his mofo cheek. Mm-hmm.

I'm talking about right i'm talking about right to the kisser and then and then they said that there should have been a penalty called on that play but if you have someone trying to make a tackle on the play why can't you block him even though it is a quarterback he had the chance to stop it was called the helmet oh because he went okay okay okay okay okay i understand yeah and and you know it's funny and jayden daniels also tonight, again, Commander's fan, if you're a Commander's fan, you're in the chat, you should be happy.

You should be happy. And I said it when the game was going on, despite no matter who wins this game, if you're a Commander's fan and you know you have Jaden Daniels, you should be happy and excited for the next decade because you know what's to come. Yeah. There have been five quarterbacks that have made a conference championship in NFL history in their rookie year.

Sean King in 99, Ben Roethlisberger in 2004, Joe Flacco in 2008, Mark Sanchez, obviously, that defense-led Jets, Brock Purdy in 2022, and now Jaden Daniels. Mm-hmm. A young bull is special, man. But if you think about it, Ocho, think about the guys you mentioned. Now, that 99 team, that team had John Lynch, Rondé Barber, Warren Sapp, and Derrick Brooks.

And Simeon Rice. Yeah. I mean, Brooks is in the Hall of Fame. Yeah. Sapp's in the Hall of Fame. Lynch is in the Hall of Fame. If I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do I need to say what they had? Suggs, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed. I won't say any more. Look at Mark Sanchez. Look at what that defensive, that's a Rex Ryan team. That's a defensive-based football team. Brock Purdy's team. That was, look, they had outstanding weapons, but they played very, very, very good defense.

They put so much on Jane Daniels' plate, and he eats it all. He's better than advertised. I thought he could be good, but there's always a learning curve. And look, and the partner season, Ocho, we started, I don't know, Ocho, Bo Nix might sneak in there and get some of them rookie of the year boats. Boats, yeah. Hey, that's what I'm saying. He took a deep breath. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He took a deep breath. Mm-hmm.

Exhale. Hey, step on the gas. Hold my beer. Basically, hold my beer. And they, and they look back.

Yeah. This kid is sensational. And he has that good, like Josh Allen is a buildup type of guy. He has that, he has that Lamar Jackson acceleration. Yeah. He stepped on it right now, right now. He's good. guy, he has that Lamar Jackson acceleration. Yeah. He step on it.

Right now. Right now. Listen, he's not as fast, but he's fast enough. Yes, yes. Fast enough. But you got to realize, he's thin, too. Yeah. He kind of looked like Lamar when Lamar first got into the league.

And see, Lamar got into the weight room, started lifting, put on a little weight. He went, yeah, yeah. But he's going to mature, Ocho. He got a 20-year-old body. When he gets 23, 24, 25, he'll add a little tip. He don't need to worry about trying to put on that egg, eating a whole bunch of food and drinking

creatine and eating all that. He don't need to do that. You're going to naturally gain some, get some of that old man weight as you start to age. But I don't know what they're not to like about this young man. He can throw the ball. He sees the field extremely well. He's elusive.

He has great pocket presence. Hey, we know what he is when he gets the ball in his hand. And that's what I'm saying. Think about it. There have been a lot of guys like a Lamar Jackson or Jayden Daniels. But guess what they never got an opportunity to play in the nfl because they got moved position remember they wanted lamar jackson to move and i sent you a clip you remember the clip i sent you yeah where i said

he shouldn't move he should have went higher oh but you know we'll talk about that at a later date time but this kid right here ocho it amazing. When you put a young man like this, and I call him a kid, so forgive me. I mean, he's young enough to be my kid. We're young and all my kids. But when you take a young man like this and you put him in an environment where he can flourish and you move the bull job around with his Dan Snyder, that cesspool, that cesspool of dysfunction. And you put them in a Josh Harris group with Magic Johnson and they still got, uh, my guy Doug is still there. Right.

And you were got where you can thrive. You can, you ain't got to try to be a rose and grow through the concrete. You can be in a garden and it's lush and it's plush. Yeah. Hey. It's so funny how everything is going right and it's so hard.

It's so hard for an organization to have everything go right from top to bottom. Obviously, management has changed, ownership, GM. Then you have the coaches

that have come in. You got Cliff Kingsbury, who is phenomenal when it comes to coaching quarterbacks, especially dual threat quarterbacks like him. Then you have Dan Quinn. He'll get a job somewhere, Ocho.

Oh, yeah, most definitely. He'll get a head job somewhere, Ocho. Absolutely, absolutely. Then you have Dan Quinn with his offensive creativity as well. I'm sure he has some – Defense. You mean defense. Yeah, his defensive creativity as well.

And I think that also might save the goddamn commanders as well. Will they sneak in and surprise people because the way they're playing offensively because of their defensive play, they might sneak in and fool some people, Matt.

Well, look, they beat the Eagles. So they're not, and they're not going to be in awe of the Eagles. No. If I beat you once, I can beat you again.

Yeah, most definitely. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard. It's a division rival. Yes, sir. We know each other. Y'all know us. We know y'all.

We're not fearful of you guys. I just want you to know. Yeah. We respect you, but we're not afraid of you. But listen, can you imagine? Can you imagine that game?

Eagles, Commanders, NFC Championship game. And and obviously we look at the eagles and what they've done i obviously last week uh they scored 22 they scored 22.23 if i'm if i'm not mistaken i tweeted something i said playing against the rams even though the rams had maybe i think the 18th ranked offense during the regular season i kept telling people this is not about the regular season i mean it's not about them it's about the postseason everything from the regular season. I kept telling people, this is not about the regular season. I mean, it's not about the postseason. Everything from the regular season,

it goes out the window. New season has started. I said the Rams to score a will, you know, and everyone was focused on, well, in the regular season, they were wearing 18. I'm not talking about that. They had a lot of injuries.

Cooper Cub, Puka Nakua, they had some injuries on that side, on the offensive side of the football. Higby was dealing with an injury. He came back. I think he came back the last two games of the season. They're tied in. Their pass catching tied in.

So they were dealing with some things, Ocho. But if you go back and look at them defensively, you look at Verse and you look at Young and you look at Turner, they got guys that can get up to quarterback. They got good guys on the back. I'm not saying they're all world on the back end, but they good enough. They good enough, you know. But I like what DQ did.

DQ went and got guys that he's familiar with. Hey, B-Wags, you know, I coach you with all the ball pros. Come on. Dorrance Armstrong at Dallas. I had you. Come on. Fowler, I had you, if I'm not mistaken. I think he had him in Atlanta also. Had him in Dallas.

Hey, come on. Hey, he got those two guys, those two Alabama boys inside, Payne and Allen. I don't know if Payne was in there. I know I saw Allen. But they got some guys in there. You know, you draft Lovo. You know, you get Marshawn Lattimore.

You've got some guys. You know, they got talent on the different side of the football. They might not have, you know, they ain Marshawn Lattimore. You've gotten some guys, you know, they got talent on the different side of the football. Yes, sir. They might not have, you know, they ain't got no, hey, you know, I ain't got no Miles Garrett or anything like that, but they got, you know, they got first-round draft pick probably with a top five, top three, top four pick. Right. But you know what? They don't have

any dominant players, you know, like Miles Garrett or TJ Watt. Yes. They play together collectively very well. have any dominant players you know like a miles garrett or a tj watt but yes they play they play together collectively very well they play together collectively very well everything meshes phenomenally well that's i'm excited i'm excited to see tomorrow's game and i don't i don't mean to be going off track and talk about the eagles and talk about the eagles and the rams game but the eagles if the rams are able to stop the run, even though the Rams are undersized up front, if they're able to stop the run and stacking eight, nine in the box, whatever it may be, Jalen Hurst has to be phenomenal in the pass game.

Yeah. I'm going to make Jalen Hurst beat me. He has to be phenomenal in the pass game. And I'm sure that's what they're thinking on that side is we're going to make Jalen Hurst beat us with his arm. The game that they've won, the game that the Eagles have won, is when Jalen Hurst has thrown for 130, 140, 113. It's been games where they've dominated on the ground, and I'm sure the Rams know that. So what are we going to do? I'm not going to let Saquon Barkley run for 255 again.

How about that? That ain't going to happen. I'm not going to let him have 302 yards from scrimmage. That ain't going to happen. Now, if Jalen Hurst throws the ball for 300 yards, let's just say he has an official day. He throws for 240. He throws for three to four touchdowns.

You walk to the middle of the field and say, congratulations. Hell of a job. Good luck next week. Right. But I tell you what I'm not going to do. Damn, Saquon, you got us again, boy. You hell, man. Hey, you should be. That ain't going to happen. Right. But I tell you what I'm not going to do. Damn, Saquon, you got us again, boy. You hell, man. Hey, you should be.

That ain't going to happen. Right. That's not. My defense ain't going to be saying that. Right. That's not going to happen. I'm going to make someone. Now, it's different because when you're like, okay, I'm not going to let Lamar

beat me. Well, you got Derrick Henry. I still believe I would force Lamar to throw the ball from the pocket because I'd let him get outside Ocho. I'm at his mercy. I'd wrap Ocho. What do I do? I let him outside Ocho. If I come up, he's going to throw the ball over my head. If I stay back, he's going to

get 20. He's going to get a running start at me. Now I got to try to tackle this mofo in space. In open space? Yeah, good luck with that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. So when with that. Yeah, exactly. So when you're dealing with a guy like him, like Lamar, you're dealing with a guy like a Josh Allen, or you're dealing with a guy like Jayden Daniels,

you know what, bro? If y'all beat me from the pocket, take off with it. Because I can't let you have, you can't be, at least I can see you. I can keep you in this little space right here. It's difficult. I mean, because you're dealing with great players. Lamar Jackson, we believe he'll be a three-time MVP

February the 6th. That's when the honors is, and that's when they're going to announce the MVP. But at least I can keep him in this space. I let him outside, Ocho. He throwing the ball to Andrews and Likely. He got Bateman. We don't know if Zay Flowers is going to be able to play.

And now I got to deal with his legs and he all, he doing all this herky jerky stuff and he's starting to stop and it's spinning on me. He got me on his highlight reel. Now it's like, yeah, see, this is why he got,

this is why he a 99. Thanks to me. He done juked me, got me on the ground. He on everybody, ESPN, everybody running clips on Joe. Man, you let Lamar do.

What you mean let? Hell no, I didn't let him do that. You think I let the man embarrass me? But the commanders, man, I was really impressed. I didn't have them win. I didn't put them on my bingo card to win this ball game. I didn't have them win either. I didn't have them winning either.

Just based on what the Lions had done in the regular season and how well they played. That's the only thing, and I've been saying this all year. I'm at fault. Commander fans, if you're in the chat, I apologize. I apologize. I wasn't familiar with y'all game. I am now.

Ocho, but what we didn't, couldn't predict was the turnovers. Yeah. Now, because think about it, Ocho. You gave up seven points couldn't predict was the turnovers. Yeah. Now, because think about it, Ocho, you gave up seven points on your possession. The commanders didn't even have the ball, and you let them get seven points. Seven points.

Now, you fumbled the ball. Now you took points off the board. You ate. I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think that pick was on second down. Right. So, you got another crack at it, and maybe maybe you get a touchdown at least you're probably going to walk away with three so excuse me you took points off the board twice yeah twice and so uh when you when you play like that even at home ocho and I tell people, and to come play off time, I would rather be on the road

because you can feel it start to slip away and you can feel like the crowd hangs on every plate. Yeah. Like, damn. Ooh. You feel it. You sense it. And it get real quiet.

Man. It get real quiet. But, hey, I can't say enough good things about what the commanders have been able to do the stable environment that josh harris you know you know magic hey jerry how you looking all the quarterbacks that you had and you ain't been here in a long long time this man did this with a rookie think about how many quarterbacks that you had, and you ain't been here in a long, long time. This man did this with a rookie. Think about how many quarterbacks you done paid. And all you do is yowl.

I ain't even know. If y'all don't, if you've never seen Josh Harris, you would never heard his voice. Even when they made the playoffs. You heard what he said? He had Magic Johnson up there. He said, hey, you hire good people, you give them a stable environment, and things will blossom.

Things will flourish. He ain't say nothing about him. He doing a great job. He ain't say nothing about him. He doing a great job. He ain't say he bought a team to have a bottom occupation. Who pays for a job? Ocho, I paid for the job at ESPN. I bought that seat.

Who says that? Who says they bought an occupation? An arrogant, a very arrogant person says that I purchased the job. Yeah. But okay. You're not doing a good job of it.

You're not. But man, the commanders, I can't say no good thing about them. Oh, Joe, that young kid, that young man, they got a quarterback. The number five. He's everything he's. I know they thought that when they drafted him yeah they thought they saw all this i don't know if they saw it this soon yeah as a rookie we're in the nfc championship game oh sure we had the second pick in the draft year one though that's what i'm saying here

oh sure what big changes that they got other than the coach they look at terry mcclellan was there yeah exactly if i'm not mistaken zach kirk was there yeah there. If I'm not mistaken, Zach Ertz was there. Yeah. There's one. Okay, Austin Eckler. Austin Eckler, he didn't put up the type of numbers that he did with the Chargers where he was the fantasy darling. Right. I think he made a Pro Bowl or something like that.

He didn't have that kind of number. Yeah, they're different here, though. They use them. Yeah. They got Brian Robertson Jr. I think that's his name or the offensive line is pretty much the same but the turnaround that guy yeah go look at look at the team that was in the playoffs what they got every look at the team that's not the

playoffs what they don't have look at the quarter quarterbacks. CJ, Mahomes, Hurts, Allen, Lamar, Stafford. You got like overall draft pick. I mean, the latest you got with Jalen Hurts was a second round pick. Lamar, first rounder. CJ, first rounder. Stafford, first rounder. Jane Daniels, first rounder. Lamar Jackson, first rounder. When youiels first rounder lamar jackson first rounder when you get

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You think he was watching because he wouldn't sit his meddling ass down he stayed in the way yeah because you know him and Jerry I mean him and Jerry yeah him and Jerry they were right here they did

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For the seventh consecutive season. Crazy, huh? The Kansas City Chiefs find themselves in the AFC Championship game. Crazy, huh? The Chiefs defeated the Texans 23-14. The Texans outplayed the Chiefs on offense and defense for much of the first three quarters. But that Mahone boy going to find a way.

Yeah, he is. The man, they got him going down. He supermans it. Finds Kelsey. But I told you, nephew, hey, he don't have the legs that he once had. Yes, sir. But he's a professional get-open guy. That's what Travis Kelsey is now.

Can he run like he once could? No. No. No. Had he been able to run like he once could, he'd probably have 200-plus yards today. But he can't run like that. But what he can do is still get open. And he can see things.

He and my homeboy struggled this year of getting that connection, Ocho, what we had seen them have for the past six years. But when they needed it, you know where it's going. And they did a great job. They doubled up a lot of times, Ocho. You see

he run the basic cross. They got the safety coming they did a great job. They doubled him a lot of times on choke. You see him, he run the cross, the basic cross. They got the safety coming down to take it away. Yeah. They played in and out on him. But look, check this out. And I said this before, and people like to keep saying, Travis Kelsey is the greatest tight end ever play. He's number one in playoff and catches over Jerry Rice.

He's 200 yards behind Jerry Rice for the most receiving yards in playoff history. He's two touchdowns behind Jerry Rice for the most touchdowns in playoff history. Yes, sir. Ten Pro Bowls. He had like seven, eight straight 1,000-yard seasons. Yeah. No other tight end has more than four. Right.

He has seven, eight straight. Remember, Ocho, he would have had another four. Right. He has seven, eight straight. Remember Ocho, he would have had another one. Yeah. They set him out last year because they was already

locked into the three seed. Mm-hmm. The thing that's most impressive about him as great as he is in the regular season. Right. He's even better

in the postseason. Yeah. And that's not a knock on anybody. The two top tight ends for me are him and Gronk. Yeah. I think it's him and Gronk. I'm taking Trav. That's not a knock on anybody. The two top tight ends for me are him and Gronk. I think it's him and Gronk.

I'm taking Trav. That's not to say I don't like Gronk. I think Gronk is phenomenal. His relationship with Brady is just like what Trav had with Mahone. But you can't deny the numbers.

Regular season, the Pro Bowls, the All Pros, the way big game after big game after big. Have you ever left a playoff game and say, man, Trav, let us down, man. He ain't play good today. Never that. I mean, Ocho. I'm talking about when the money, we shoving all the money.

Hey, it's finality now. The playoffs is all about finality. Ain't no, hey, we'll look at the tape. We'll bounce back next week. Next week is eight months from now. This guy has been money. 172 postseason receptions. That's crazy.

He's far away. He's not done. He has 2,020 yards. That's second all-time. That's crazy. He's far away. He's not done. He has 2,020 yards. That's second all-time. We know Jerry. Jerry's the GOAT. Yeah. Not just because of what he did in the regular season.

When you ever see a game where you say, wait, man, Jerry. Man, Jerry let us down in the postseason. Man, please. He's two in yards and touchdown. He's a tight end. He's a tight end. And he has 1,000 catches.

And a whole lot of 1,000 catch. Guys, what is it, 10, 12, Ocho? Yeah, that's it. That's it. Only what? I think Gonzo has the record. He has like 1,300. I think. He has like 1,300. I think Witten has like 1,100.

And I think he's the next tight end. He has 1,000. I think Gates had like nine. I think Gates had maybe nine-something. And then everybody else counted after me. But for me, Ocho, and the most 100-catch playoff games in postseason history. Can I interest you in that? No, that's good.

I tied in. He's won in most 100-yard games. He's won in catches. He's two in yards. He's two in touchdowns. And you know what makes most of that possible, too, huh? If you think about it, if he was on any other team, it wouldn't be the same. No.

The production, the numbers, you know, the accolades, it wouldn't be the same. And just the right fit, the right offense, the right quarterback, the right play calling, the right creativity, and everything, the rest takes care of itself. Ocho, he went to the Pro Bowl with Alex Smith. Oh, yeah. We didn't talk about this guy like we do now until he got my homeboy. Yeah. Let's be 1,000.

And he was a phenomenal player. He was good then, too, man. Yes. He was good then, too. I think he's going to 10 straight Pro Bowls. You got to be good to go to 10 straight. Mm-hmm. And there are times that he had a kettle,

had a kettle, not had those all world season. He might've been another, he might have a couple of more first team, all pros. Look at Brock Bowers had a historic season, but the 10 pro to 10 consecutive pro bowls for tight end. What he's been able to do his body of work.

When it's all said and done i think right now it's just he and gronk at the table having a discussion i don't know boy hey bro we don't need to do we we don't need to discuss it among ourselves right we'll let other people discuss it yeah um i think it's them too um i love them both watch them It's funny. They both got the same number. Both played. You'll probably say when it's all said and done, they played with the two greatest quarterbacks of all time. All time, yeah. That definitely helps.

But what he's been able to do, man, like I said, he's at this point in time, he doesn't have the legs that he once had. He's just a professional guy that knows how to get open. Very savvy. That's it. Very savvy. That's it. Being able to read defenses. And the funny thing about it, not only getting open, is him and my home be on the same page and knowing when to settle.

Knowing where to settle, knowing where to be at every time, man. Never fail. If you play Kansas City, and if you play a Steve Spagnola defense. Yes, sir. The moment he feels threatened, he's coming with the bomb blitz. He's going to blow it up.

Yeah. The moment you threaten him, he's coming. Hell, I know that. How the Texans don't know? I mean, how the Texans don't know that? Bro, they're going to come. If you threaten him, he's coming with the blitz. He's going to blow it up.

He'll throw caution to the wind. Damn that safety in the middle of the field. I'm coming to get you. Seven sacks. They sacked him seven times. What, they had seven sacks in the fourth quarter? Three by George... No, Kalofatis.

Kalofatis. Kalofatis. Hey, they got after him. CJ was back. CJ was calling him. Look, they did a great job. I think, you know what? Kalofatis got him early.

When he tackled him out of bounds, he kind of tweaked that ankle. Yeah, tweaked his ankle a little job. I think, you know what, Kalamka's got him early. When he tackled him out of bounds, he kind of tweaked that ankle. Yeah, tweaked his ankle a little bit. Yeah. Tweaked it a little bit. But the thing is with Kansas City, you know this, Ocho. And I thought Texas did a good job.

They didn't turn the ball over. I thought Joe Mixon ran the ball well enough. But they're going to have to get better on the offensive line. Yeah. That's the next thing they do now, Ojo. Look, Tank Dale is going to miss some time, Ojo. He's going to miss some time.

I wouldn't count on him coming back next year early. I don't know what they're going to do with Stephon Diggs. I don't think nobody's going to give him that $30 million coming off an ACL injury, so he might have to take a one-year deal. I don't know if he wants it for it to be there. I would look at staying there because I got a really good quarterback. I got Nico Collins on one side. I like Dalton Schultz at the tight end.

Bro, that's a bull jive job that you did on that pass blocking. Hey, look here, bro. I ain't saying you got to be Mark Bavaro or Gronk or George Kittle. Bro, you can't do that. Or Goomba Wally. That's some bull jive. Two guys should be able to block. A running back or a tight end should be able to block a defensive end.

Yeah. Two guys should be able to, unless it's Reggie or one of these all-worlds, LT, something like that. Ain't no way that should. That was, that was, that's some half, that's some half-hearted ass effort. Yeah. That ticked me off. Hey, you know what, what else?

Watching the game, obviously, you know, a lot of chirping, obviously from some prominent figures in NFL that are part of the NFL in general, talking about some of the calls that were made and in favor of the Chiefs. I mean, we hear this all the time, especially around the postseason time. Sometimes it's regular season as well. It seems calls are always convenient when it matters most for them to give them whatever it may be.

And one of the things that bothered me, that's starting to bother me just a little bit, I love Mahomes. I love everything they're doing. And just that Mahomes is intentionally playing with defenders to draw some of these Oh, he slowed down and the guy pushed him like, bro, you still inbound.

He went a little portable choke but he was still inbound. Bro, get your ass out of bounds. He's doing it on purpose though. That's what I'm seeing. And it's forcing the ref to throw flags and the refs are starting to get a little jumpy so every time, but Mahomes is playing around.

He's doing it purposely because he's taking advantage of the rules and knowing that he could take advantage of it. And he flopping sometime. And the late slide, that was a late slide. I don't know what the guy was because he got the last second. He go down. I don't know what you want me to do. I've already committed. He doing it.

I'm committed to lighten his ass up. He doing it on purpose because he knows he can take he can take advantage of of the rules so why not now i'm not sure it's probably too late now but at some point next year the competition committee or whoever whoever the powers may be they need never implement a rule not when it comes to that quarterback yeah they're gonna protect hey they're gonna protect him the rule base This is what was told to me. When in doubt, if it's a quarterback, throw the flag. I don't care if you get it wrong. We will not hold that against you.

When in doubt, if it's the quarterback, throw the flag. Well, I mean, listen, I'm sure the chat, if y'all watch the game today, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Now, I'm not saying it's wrong, and I'm not saying it's bad. No, the Chiefs are great, and all they do, Patrick Mahomes, one of the best ever. But I'm just saying he's taking advantage

of the rules a little bit. Just a little bit. Can I ask you a question? Yes, sir. We heard the same thing when Tom Brady and the Patriots were winning. Right.

It was the referee. We heard the same thing, Ocho. Yeah. And we saw Tom Brady get a call. Chris Jones hit the man in the shoulder pad. They said he hit the man in the head. He didn't touch his head. There are a lot of phantom calls. It

happens. They called a penalty tonight on Montgomery. That man didn't touch Montgomery's face mask. He had a shoulder pad. And because his head went back. Yeah. Boom.

Remember, we see it in slow motion. You're actually seeing it in real time. In real time. And it looks like his head does this, and it looked like, oh, he grabbed his face mask. That man ain't touching that man's face mask. Right, you're right. You're right. And you throw that flag, you shouldn't be allowed to say face or mask the rest of the year.

You right. But listen, man. I think the biggest call, what got him, is that when Mahomes overthrew Kelsey and Will Anderson hit him in the chest. Yes. And they thought he hit him in his chin. And they couldn't reverse it. No. They couldn't reverse it.

And hey, listen, Mahomes sold it now. Yes. He sold it. Very good.'t reverse it. No. They couldn't reverse it. And hey, listen, Mahomes sold it now. Yes. He sold it. Very good. He sold it. What would Brady do? Every time they would hit Brady somewhat late, he'd turn and look at the official.

Yeah. That's what the quarterback. Hey, bro. You're not going to do anything about that. Right, right, right, right, right. But hey. Hey, look at, hey, how many times you ever saw the official bro you're not gonna do anything about that right right right right but hey look at look at

hey how many times you ever saw the official come to the sideline and talk to any other player like the official went to the sideline and talked to Josh Allen

I ain't never seen I have never seen an official come to the sideline and talk to a player say look cause he could've threw a flag

all that yelling they threw a flag on Tom Brady one time, but Tom was probably MFing him. Normally, they throw a flag on you. You keep yelling. You're like, hey, you need to calm down now. I've seen it a few times. I've seen it with Brady. I've seen it with

Josh Allen. And in basketball, I saw it with Michael Jordan. Yeah. So that's the thing. Ocho, the Texans are the first team in NFL postseason history to outgain an opponent by 100 yards, have zero turnovers, and lose. Prior to today, teams were 49-0 in such games. Special.

Them boys special, man. They just know how to win. Them win and boy and there's an expectation when you've been in this situation you got to beat them yeah how many times it's normally not a you gotta beat you had to beat tom convincingly you had to beat him convincingly you the only thing you don't want to have happen you didn't want Tom to have the ball with a chance to beat your ass late in the ballgame. Hey, you want to be taking a knee. Because it's the same thing with Mahomes.

You don't want him to have the ball late with the ball in his hand. And I will say this about the Chiefs, Ocho. You get the ball to start your offense on the 13-yard line and you kick a field goal, next week you're going home. You do that against Buffalo or Baltimore, you're going home. You're going home. They got the ball again and they settle for another field goal. Now, I don't know what the Texans are going to do with their kicker,

but there's a good chance they're going to probably be on the market for another one. Yeah, I'm right here if they need one. I don't know what they're going to do with it, Bocho. Listen, you heard what I said. If they need a kicker, I'm right here. I mean, in one of the kicks, that first kick wasn't even close. Nah. Oh, then it went wide right.

Yes. It went wide right. Like, what are we doing? In a game like that, we're pulling. It didn't he missed the extra point, Ocho. Do you know how deflating that is, Ocho? Now we about to tie the game up, and I look. Yeah, bro. Hey, nice run.

Hey, nice run, Joe. Nice run, mix. Hey, want to put him in the blender, mix, blah, blah, blah. And then you're like, oh, yeah, about to tie this thing up. Oh, man. Damn. Take the win right out to sales. Yeah. Man. The win right out to sales. I mean, you try to put him in the problem. Oh, man. Damn. Take the win right out to sales. Yeah.

Man. The win right out to sales. I mean, you try to put a problem. That's okay. That's okay. We good. No, bro.

We up behind. If they don't do anything else and we don't do anything else, we lose. We lose, yeah. Oh, man.

Bro, Joe, there's been a lot said about the refs favoring the Chiefs. The Texans spoke about it after the game. Let's take a listen to what CJ had to say first. Yeah, you know, those things are tough. You know, I'm not going to go back and forth on what I thought was a call, what I thought wasn't a call, you know.

And, you know, it's one of those things you kind of know what's up before you even walk in the arena. And we got to be better just being um accountable and sound and you know some things you know I think we we had a couple calls and we're called that I'm begging for but at the same time it is what it is you know like I can't argue with the ref and at the same time play football I got to go and do my job so um yeah I would say you know it's definitely some things that I would question. But at the same time, I mean, they're the professionals that are getting paid to be refs. And, you know, they did ultimately their best.

And, yeah, but, you know, that's kind of thing, you know, it's us against the world, you know, when you're playing in these type of environments and games. I got a question. I got a question. Go ahead. If everybody keeps saying the same thing every year, in regular season, every postseason, when it comes to the Chiefs, questionable calls, calls that are always convenient, and it seems they always side for the Chiefs,

at what point are the people right? And there's not an excuse made every single time. If someone's always saying the same thing all the time, if there's smoke saying the same thing all the time you know if if there's smoke there's fire if there's smoke there's fire somewhere everybody can't be wrong about it the coaches say it the fans say it sometimes the people in the chat might say it the people that don't agree are the people that are actually cheese fans you know but i'm i'm just saying i'm i i don't have a horse in this race. I'm just saying I see questionable things that happen at times that favor the Chiefs.

Did you see questionable calls with Kobe? Did you see questionable calls with Michael Jordan? Yes, sir. OK. You saw questionable calls with Brady, too. Oh, so. OK. So you know what it is. OK. I just want to make sure we're on the same page. Yeah, it's going to happen. Okay. Let's take a listen to what Joe Mixon had to say. Everybody know how it is playing up here. You can't, you can never leave, you can never leave it into the ref's hands.

But, I mean, the whole world see, man, like, what it is, bro. But it is what it is, bro. But it is what it is. You know, like I said, when it come down to it, you can never leave it into the ref's hands, man, and things like that. But it's all good. Big Lombardi, I know Vic, he writes out of Delhi.

He said, yeah, I'm done. My home can't get separate rules. Vic. See? He's from Denver. Okay, okay, okay. See? Everybody can't be blind to the fact now.

Yeah. Not everybody. The players see it, the coaches see it, people from the outside that are prominent figures, like I said earlier, in the NFL that have been watching the game for a very long time, and they can see it. Now, I see it sometimes as a former player,

occasionally, not often, but most of the time, when they do get calls, the calls are warranted when I see it in i see it sometimes as a former player occasionally not often but most of the time when they do get calls the calls are warranted when i see it in slow motion okay you know what the fans might say that's some bull jive but as a fan me actually as a player and a fan of the game now okay that was warranted that's really a call yeah now i feel but i told you but we see we you and i we discuss it every week bro i mean the guy laying on the quarterback, personal foul. Bro, I'm like, so what you want me to do? You want me to lay this mofo down? I ain't finna put, I'm not finna put him in bed.

Hold on. Now, you know, sometimes them D-linemen and D-taggers, they not only do they attack you when they take you to the ground, you know, they putting all their weight on you too now. Yeah. But, Ocho, I see guys try to open their hands. Yeah.

And so, I ain't trying to drop my weight on him. Right, right, right. And they still throw the flag. Right. They're going to protect the quarterback.

Every time. Chad, I get it. And I get frustrated too because sometimes I see it and I'm like, bro, that's not a penalty. I mean,

you got to let the guys play at some point in time. But they have been told if there's any doubt in your mind and it's on that guy, throw the flag. Yeah. Yeah. Throw the flag.

Yeah. You know, what's funny is even without the goddamn calls in favor of the chiefs, they will still be winning these games. Yes. They will still be winning the game because when it matters most and 15 has the ball in his hands, he's going to make it happen in 99.9% of the time.

99.9%. I'm excited for him. I would love to see him three-peat. I would love to see him three-peat. I would love it because I would love to see Mahomes, Andy Reid. Because we're probably never going to see it again, Ochoa. No, we're not going to see it again. The Steelers in 79 had an opportunity.

They didn't get it done. Dallas had an opportunity. They lost in the conference championship because they won 92-93. They lost 94 to the 49ers. They came back and won again in 95. Right. San Francisco had an opportunity. They won 88-89

they lost in the championship game to the to the Giants in 90 Green Bay 67 what 67-68 they lost the three we probably never it's so hard, Ocho.

Very hard. Because this is why you've seen more three-peats than other sports, the other major sports, the basketball, the hockey, the baseball, because it's a series. In football, it's one game, Ocho. One. One bad game. Jared Goff had one bad game josh uh jared goff had one bad game it's over you're going home yeah think about it michael jordan first championship they lost game one

if that had been football he'd have lost you can go home yeah but they went four straight they're the champs see that's why it's so hard. That's why when people say football, because you get one chance and it's over. Yeah. Yeah. It's over. You got to show up that day.

That day. Yeah. You know what? That day. As much as I'd love to see, I'd love to see my home make history and Kelsey.

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Freely. Free. Not that he's not playing freely now, but it's a different kind of free. Because I got that championship. I got some of y'all. Y'all can't say, well, he couldn't win the big game. Y'all can say a lot, but y'all can never say I wasn't a champion. You can't never say I wasn't a champion you can't never say I wasn't a champion and once you become

a champion you get that taste it's like that's why you know a lot of times animals they put them down once they bite something because they got that

taste in their mouth oh man and boy Lamar Jackson he met F around and get a Super Bowl and now he gonna play free Lord help us all yeah it's scary y'all got help

I just want y'all to know y'all got help on your hands I'm just putting it out there also there's a debate taking a storm on Twitter Steve Spagnuolo has an argument to be the NFL's first ever assistant coach to eventually be a Hall of Famer. Because if I'm not mistaken, I think he wasn't in the Jazz, D.C., when they knocked off Brady?

He was? I think so. And check that. Wasn't he? I think he was. Yeah, I think it was Spags so this he's got five so if he was the giants if he was the giants dc oh so oh 708 so he got the first one with the giants he wasn't there for the second one okay he got the first one with the giants think about it he pulled the biggest upset in nfl

history he's a defense tom brady at that point in time they had scored the most points in the single game at the highest scored average yeah he held him to 17 points below their average brady was the first ever unanimous mvp 50 touchdowns, 8 interceptions. 4,800 yards. He held them to 17 points. That was that 07 year. No, he held them to 14 points. That was that 07 season with Moss, huh? Yep.

Boy, they was on fire that year, boy. I'm just saying. Commander's win has a current and former Cowboy Gray going at it on Twitter. Dan's tweeted, first, what Dan Quinn is doing in Washington, Jerry, everybody needs to go, including Zim. I knew Washington was going to be successful because of DQ. Daz, why you keep saying Jerry? Jerry had an opportunity to hire Dan Quinn, and he kept Mike McCarthy. So when are you going to

I understand you have a great, I understand your relationship with Jerry, but when are you going to put this at Jerry's feet? Because that guy didn't take a job because he thought he was going to get the job. And then once it became abund he thought he was going to get the job. Right. And then once it became abundantly clear Jerry was going to drag his feet, he took another job.

What you want that man to do? I ain't fit to be no damn coach and waiting for the rest of my life, keep passing over opportunity after opportunity while Jerry swing his feet. Hell no. From now on, I'll speak truth about my cowards, good or bad. Jared has built a great brand. That's all he's done, brand. And now it's time for the team to start winning. It's time for a real culture shift. I'm fed up with all this nepotism. Get

someone in there who can win games. Hold on, wait a minute. Hold on, talk about, what you mean? That's what they are, brand. That's what this is. What you mean to start winning? Culture. You can't have culture, Dan Bryant, when your owner doing what he winning? Culture. You can't have culture dance, right, when your owner doing what he does. Yeah. You know what

culture starts at, huh? You know what culture starts at? That starts from the top. Culture don't start from the coach. Culture starts from the top. Hold on. Hold on. Michael Farson responded,

stuff that irritates me, Daz, because you had enough, you had enough, he spelled it, he put a T in front of it, but I know what he meant. You had enough talent

and was probably one of the greatest in your time. You could have changed the culture, brother. You could have changed the culture. Wait,

wait a minute now. Wait, now, Michael, Michael Farson, what does the front office have to do with players action and players be responsible for their actions dead shot back i had to double back because you really said i could have changed the culture culture emphasize that and if you don't know i was never on a yes man political ass kicking, kissing ish. I sacrificed myself so a lot of you could do what you do. I'm on some ish way deeper than football. You really too young to

understand. You realize that soon you need to do more people like don't give an F for the better of the athletes. The way I talk to Jerry versus the way you talk to Jerry is totally different. Let it sink in. Come on now.

Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. You say you like that. You told me you like when the players speak truth. Hey, I like that. You said what you said. I like that.

I like that. See? You see what you get from Dez? Now, if we can get all the players, even the active players, to start talking their truth. But there's always been there since day one now. There they never changed. There they never conformed.

There was never PC. So what you're hearing from here now is nothing new. That's always been him. I don't believe you can have a culture as long as Jerry's the owner. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because what happens is

you need one voice. That voice needs to emanate from the coach. If I can circumvent anything that the coach, any authority that the coach have by going to his superior, how does the coach lay a foundation

to establish said culture? The thing that they know in New England, ain't nobody going to Bob Craft, Mr. Craft, and circumvent anything Coach Belichick. I had a great relationship with Mr. Bowling. Yes, sir. Man, I wish I would have took my happy black ass upstairs and said, Mr. B, let me tell you what Mike talking about. He would look at me like, Sharpie, what you want me to do? Right. Nothing.

Don't tell him I came up here to your office to tell you. Let's start with that. Let's keep this between us. Right. The thing was, is that when you have one voice. Now that takes a lot. Well, where is this coming from? is this coming from see you heard the thing oh the problem they're having cowboys they know when mike mccarthy's standing in front of

them that jerry's talking he's moving his mouth but that but jerry is you know he's your pedal yeah mccarthy the difference is when mike Mike Shanahan stood up there and talked that's him that was Mike yeah but also he gave us

remember nah bro we're not gonna do that what's your weight okay bring your ass in and be make weight

right hey I'm there got hey go get on the bike it ain't but two pounds go get on the bike for ten minutes

hey you good you gonna be able to drop that bro go get in the hot tub Hey, go get on the bike. It ain't but two pounds. Go get on the bike for 10 minutes. Hey, you good. You're going to be able to drop that, bro. Go get in the hot tub. Two pounds. You need to go get in the sock. Hey, yes, yes, yes, bro. That's our responsibility. Bro, clean up the, come on, bro.

How you, here's the laundry basket right there. You're going to throw the towel on the floor, bro. Really, that's what you're going to do. You can't get your, I mean, the towel right there by you. Yeah. And you just leave the towel in front of your locker. You leave the towel. Bro, come on now. Bro, clean.

Mike gave us the authority to police the locker room. Yeah. We had established a culture that I had adopted from the older guys, from the Dennis Smith and the Steve Atwater and the Max and the John. And hopefully that my job was to try to pass that on. Right. That's what you got to have.

Oh, Joe, the guy that when you see Ray and the way you conduct yourself and he's watching the way Woody and how we do things, myself and Ron, hopefully he passed that along and the culture was established. And so now you get an Ed Reed and you got a Suggs and you got guys like that.

That's what, you play like a Raven. They're never going to have that because Jerry won't allow it. Jerry won't allow it. I mean, a lot of things transpired. Hold on.

There are a lot of things transpire. Hold on. There are a lot of things that happen once I leave Ochoa. I just try to put the guys in the best situations I possibly could to be successful. But there's a lot of things going on, a lot of dealings that I wouldn't have tolerated. I said, guys, we got to be professional. And all that other stuff,

that's the kind of stuff that'll tear the fabric from a locker room. You know that's somebody's people and then you're trying to go behind their back and you're trying to... No, no, no. That ain't how we do stuff right here. I don't go for that. I'm just trying to figure out why you're trying to do that. Why are you

mad at him about trying to see some girl and you married. How did it look? Well, I'm confused. I'm like, bro,

that happened. Yeah. I'm just like, I'm told you, I'll say, bro, let me ask you a question. How you mad at him?

Talking about that's your girl. You married with three kids. That's real. That happened for real? Man, look here, bro. Ocho, let me tell you. That's a good story. I kept the peace. That's a good story.

My job, my job was not only to play. My job was to keep the peace and keep stuff like that. In the locker room. Because that would tear a locker room apart. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And that ain't got nothing to do with football. Ain't got nothing to do with football.

We're going to keep football football. Right. That's what we're going to do. Bro, your wife get rid of this right here because you know at the end of the day he's going to get mad at you. You're doing things to try to salt him up.

He's going to tell your wife, now what? Now you're going to want to fight. Why are you fighting a man that's single about seeing somebody? You married and you tried to get at her. Come on, don't work like that you get one you get one you get your wife you get your main one you can't put you can't take three or four off the shelf and put them in the back you know like footlocker ocho yeah you got a boy working there hey put a pair of shoes in the back no you get one you get to put one on the shelf

and everybody stay away from. Other than that, it's fair game. It's fair game. So you not finna hide four or five pair of shoes. We're gonna sell them. We're selling them shoes, bro. I'm gonna keep it one file with y'all.

But see, that's the job of a leader, is to keep the peace in the locker room, because there are a lot of things that can eat at the fabric of a locker room that ain't got nothing to do with football. It ain't got nothing to do with money. Hey, we'll keep money out of this. Look, all that gambling,

look, like Mike said, like rookies, we didn't really let a whole lot of rookies gamble, because first of all, y'all ain't got that kind of money. You'd be losing. Right. And we can't have, Mike said, look, I can't gamble because, first of all, y'all ain't got that kind of money. You'd be losing. Right. And we can't have Mike saying, look, I can't have y'all out there. Y'all owe $84,000, $20,000, and you're thinking about that. Oh, yeah.

So, look, no, no, come on, guys. But that culture thing is true. People don't realize it. People don't realize how valuable culture is in a locker room right until you don't have that veteran leadership in there and you get guys running them up doing all kind of things right and then you like well damn i realized that sharp had more value he was valuable and i'm not talking about just on the field because what mike didn't realize until i left, a lot of things that I snuffed out never made it to him. He didn't know ish about it.

Right. But that's what veterans do. That's what leaders do. You come together. You say, hey, bro, what's really going on? What's the problem? Okay, you got a problem at home. Okay, how can we help?

What's going on? I mean, what does she think you're doing? Bro, you cannot. You cannot go out and come in at 3, 4 in the morning. What homeboy you got? So what you telling her? You can't tell her I'm out. Hell, because I don't even go out with my own homeboys and come in at 3, 4 in the morning.

I used to tell Bucket all the time. Nah, bro. You're not fitting to mess with my home. Right. Hey, my homeboy in town. Hey, yeah, shop man. Hey, come on tell Bucket all the time, nah, bro, you're not finna mess up my home. Right. Hey, my homeboy in town, can y'all, hey, yeah, shop man, hey, come on, Bucket. You're not finna mess up my home. Right. Got me coming in because you want to come in at 3, 4 in the morning.

Oh, hell nah. No, bro, you can't do that. I'm not going to tell you, you grown ass man, but I'm not going to tell you what you can and what, I'm going to tell you what you shouldn't do. Right. I can't tell you what you can't do because you're grown, but I'm going to tell you you're a grown-ass man, but I'm not going to tell you what you can and what you shouldn't do. I can't tell you what you can't do because you're grown, but I'm going to tell you what you shouldn't do. That's all. And if you want peace, if you want, because at some point in time,

Mike going to wonder why your play slipping, why you seem distracted, why you keep busting assignments, why you you not where you're supposed to be? And then eventually, hey, Mike Shanahan cut you. I ain't tell you that. Oh, Mike will eat $5 million, $6 million. He will cut your ass. Right. So I just want to know how you want to play this thing.

Man, Sharp, man, hey, I appreciate that. Bro, I appreciate you coming to me, but I can't keep Mike off your ass if you keep making these kind of mistakes because I can only lie so much. So, hey, 84, what's going on with such and such? You know, we go by numbers. 84, what's going on with such and such?

Yeah. Huh? I'm pretending dumb. I know, Ocho. Right. Huh? What you mean, Mike? He seemed distracted.

I mean, Mike stopped practice. Mike stopped practice. Dude blew an assignment. He's like, hey. What the hell did you do last night? Dude had to think about it nothing well get your head out of you you know what yeah you effing up hey hey that's that's funny how you say this because normally i'm just thinking about me from from uh from my personal experience when i have outside issues even when i was playing when i was playing they didn't affect me because my outlet and my sense of peace was being in practice.

And then once I touched that green grass in between those white lines, everything that's going on in the outside world, it went away. And it's crazy how you said players allow what was going on the outside to affect them on the field when I couldn't wait to get to the field because that gave me my sense of finally. I can't tell. I ain't got to worry about that bullshit. But here's the thing, though, Ocho. Maybe you didn't. As soon as we get a little five-minute break, they run to the phone. Oh, they in the corner.

They outside on the cell phone. Okay, okay, okay. Well, you can't get away from it because you bringing it in yeah yeah yeah i don't i ain't play that boy i couldn't wait i mean you hey i'm like guys you can't get away from the dog poop if you step in it and bring it in the house leave it out there wait a minute whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa hold on you think you slick boy you finna get you finna get away with that one, boy. I can use that one on the kids.

Yeah. And that's the thing, Ocho. That's the thing. And I think a lot of times, because the guys saw the way I conducted myself, that I always tried to be professional. Because I know people watching. I knew the guys were watching. But as an older player, Ocho,

and even though I was young, I was in my 20s, early 20s, I thought of myself as a leader because of the way I conducted myself. I wasn't out at night. Knew what I had to do. Once I learned the offense, thanks to John,

once I knew what I had to do, Ocho, I loved the responsibility because I to John. Once I knew what I had to do, Ocho, I loved the responsibility because I've always been responsible. Right. College, my last couple of years in high school. But culture is a big... Yeah. I guarantee you,

check the teams that's winning culture. I'm not saying they're 100% as far as guys not being late. Right. Check their culture. Yeah. Go look at the Ravens. Go look at Kansas City. Look at the teams that win consistently.

Mm-hmm. And even when they hit a rough patch, that's when you tell. That's when you'll find out a lot about your culture. Yeah. You don't really find out about it when you win it. Yeah. It's when you hit those rough patches. Mm your culture. You don't really find out about it when you win it. It's when you hit those rough patches. You see how they did Zeke?

They make it seem like Zeke had never been late before. But what happened was they were tolerating things and wins. They couldn't do it on loss. Oh, we're going to let Zeke go. Y'all going to let the man go? Oh, so he can catch on with another team. Where they do that at, Ocho? You can't fool me.

You would have had fun playing with me. You would have had fun. Could you imagine if we was on the same team? Ocho. What happened? Oh, yeah. I had you right, Ocho. Ocho.

What? I was the first I was the first one in the stadium I was different I guarantee you Ocho, I guarantee you Had I been your teammate You'd have been the first ballot

Who? You'd have been the first ballot Shit, I am first ballot You'd have been a first ballot. Who? You'd have been a first ballot. Shit, I am first ballot. You'd have been a, you'd have been a, you'd have been a, you'd have went in, hold on, I went in. You'd have went in in 20, you played 11 years, you came in in 01. Wow. You came in in 02? 01?

01, yeah. Yeah, because you called a little cheat, I think you about to call a little something on us. Yeah, always. My last year in Baltimore. Always. Yeah. Cause you caught a little cheat. I think you about to call a little something on us. Yeah. My last year in Baltimore. Always. Always. You know, I slice y'all up every time. Whatever. The volume. The made for this mountain podcast exists to empower listeners to rise above their inner struggles and face the mountain in front of them.

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