Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Curry cooks, Pat Surtain, Hunter’s built different

Episode Date: February 28, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Stephen Curry dropping 56 points against the Orlando Magic, going 12 for 19 from 3-point land. Later, Unc and Ocho are joined by 3-time Pro Bowler, 2-time All-Pro, and Defensive Player of the Year, Denver Broncos CB Pat Surtain II, Travis Hunter says he’s built differently when it comes to being a 2-way player and much more!05:30 - Show start07:41 - Stephen Curry goes off19:31 - Pat Surtain II joins show43:31 - Travis Kelce returns for another season44:49 - Travis Hunter on playing multiple positions56:30 - Abdul Carter’s foot update1:01:00 - Eagles going after Myles Garrett (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He'll have a big fight Saturday. And my guy, the one and only Earthquake, but everybody just calls him Quake. But first, Ocho, woo, Stephen Curry was cooking tonight. When is he not? 56 points. He had 56. 12 made threes, 16 of 25, 12 of 12 from the free throw line. He outscored Orlando by himself in the third quarter, 22-21. It's his 14th 50-point game of his career. Steph Curry has nine made threes in NBA.

He has 45 games, Ojo, in which he's made at least nine threes in a game. The next closest is Dame Lillard at 14 and then Klay Thompson at 12. If I'm not mistaken, if I read this correctly, I think if you take up the next five, Steph has more,

or he's tied with the next five. So if you got Dame Lillard, if you put in Klay Thompson, I think J.R. Smith is in that group. But it's about five of the guys that have made at least nine threes in a game. And if you combine the next five highest, I think Steph still has more than all those guys. He was on one tonight. And you know, we've seen this throughout his career.

Once he gets cooking, you just hope you can weather the storm. And you got guys, Paulo Banqueiro was cooking also. But not until he wasn't on fuego like Steph was. I don't know if you saw this game, Mocho. Did you take a look at this game? No, I didn't have a chance to look at this game obviously i was asleep you know when this game was going on i'm just waking up from my nap so i could have the energy i needed tonight right when you look at when i look at the stat line i look at how efficient steph was you know from three and his numbers at the free throw line it just comes back to like i mean is

this something we're not used to you know is steph even even even human at times because we've seen him put up these type of performances you know throughout his career you know and like you said when he gets hot he gets hot so it's like okay yeah oh he steph dropped 56 i mean it's like okay nothing new we're used to this we You know what I mean? In a sense, we've seen this before. So, I mean, it's Steph. Steph has 45. Dame has 14. Klay Thompson has 12. James Harden has

9. Anthony Simons has 5. CJ McCullough has 3. So, if you take those, well, J.R. Smith has 5. So, if you take those next, if you take Dame, Klay, James Harden, Anthony Simons, and JR, they have the same number. If you throw in CJ McCollum, now you got six guys and they have three more, nine made threes in a game than Steph Curry. Man, that's crazy.

He is the greatest shooter that we've ever seen. The way he can shoot, there isn't a bad shot. You know, once upon a time, man, that's a terrible shot. There is no terrible shot for Steph Curry. Not for him. I mean, and what's most impressive? Yeah, shooting the basketball is impressive. Yes, sir.

But it's, Ocho, it's the continuation of running. Do you understand what type of conditioning this man has to be in? Because you know when you get tired with anything hell you get tired of running around on show you like whoo hands get lazy head get your eyes get lazy head get lazy coming around uh all that stuff and for him to put that kind of running in because he hey he's coming off screens continuously he's one side he'll hey long rebound he'll. Goes back up with it again. For him to be able to do this throughout the entirety of the game is unbelievable.

I'm glad I've got an opportunity. I'm glad I'm old enough and I'm wise enough to understand what I'm witnessing because there have been some great shooters, but there's been nothing like this young man. He is phenomenal at shooting the basketball, and every accolade or superlative that you want to bestow upon him. He's more than deserving of that model citizen. Doesn't get any trouble.

You don't have to worry about him hearing his name off the field. Why? For four lovely kids. And he's what you want your franchise. You say, OK, he's a franchise player. That's what you want your franchise player to look like. That's what you want your franchise you say okay he's a franchise player that's what you want your franchise player to look like yes that's what you want your franchise player to be uh he's been a great ambassador for the nba he's been a great ambassador for the curry family um there's nothing that his mom and dad should ever ever nothing nobody in his family should ever be ashamed of

anything because he the way he speaks the way he conducts himself on and off the court. Take a bow, Steph. Boy, this way, you was on one tonight. Oh, hey, whatever you ate today, Steph probably go, hey, he gonna send them,

hey, go get that again. We gonna take that on the plane. We gonna, wherever we going next, I don't know if they play in Miami or they head down to Atlanta because they're probably on an East Coast trip, Ocho.

Hey, whatever you ate before the game, whatever you did before this game. Same routine. Yeah. Same routine. I don't know if he's superstitious or not, Ocho, but if I'm him, to have a game like this, think about it, Ocho. I'm sure when you had those big games, those, what, a couple

of 200-yard games, what did I do today? And you know what's funny? Most of the time when you have those big games like that, you get to drug test the following morning

because the NFL thinks something wrong with you and you go back and try to remember exactly what you did. Right. You can't even remember because sometimes

at times it don't be nothing special. It's just one of those days where everything just seems to go right. Right. Well, I don't know why Steph Curry get drug tested because if he taking drugs, they backfire. They ain't working.

So whatever he taking, he need to take more of it or leave it alone. But like I said, there have been some great shooters. Ladd-Byrd was a great shooter. Reggie Miller was a great shooter. Obviously, Clay, Dame Dollar, arguably the uh ray allen uh james hardin could let the ball go yeah we've never seen anything like steph curry i'm not so sure we're gonna see it again now thereby eventually somebody down the line might make more threes but i think i think we can definitively say even if they make more threes, they weren't a better shooter than Steph.

Because Steph, what created this, brought this wave in to take in that many threes. Because it was Golden State that was shooting 33s a game. Now you get some guys, they're shooting 50. Teams shooting 50 a game. So guys coming in shooting more threes. But as far as just flat-out shooting a basketball, we got an opportunity to see it on full display at the Olympics. in shooting more threes but as far as just flat out shooting a basketball yeah nothing better than

him we got an opportunity to see on full display at the olympics oh yeah that last game against france it was in crunch time when we actually needed it they had him double he hey he passed to the katie katie swung it back to him hey as my good friend Mark Jackson said, can I have this dance? Yeah. Hey, between the leg, behind the back, crossover, step back. 28 feet. Splash.

However you want it. He can cover you. And listen, like you said, not only is he the best shooter, he can create his own space. Oh, yeah, yeah. Hey, listen. He coming off picks,

running plays, creating his own space. Oh, yeah, yeah. Hey, listen. He coming off picks, running plays, creating his own space. All he needs is a little bit, man. Because his release is so quick, huh? Yeah. His release is so quick. It's like, man. Because the thing is, now what he's done before, what he didn't do earlier in his career,

he'll put the ball on the floor and go by you. Oh, yeah. So if you hug up on him, he got the kind of handles that can put the ball on the floor, and he got a nice float game. He can finish. Now, he's not going to finish above the rim like a Russ or like a D. Rose could, but he can finish. Nice float game, and you know you're filing. He's the greatest free throw shooter percentage-wise in NBA history.

So he's really hard to defend because you want to get aggressive and not let him come. He's looking to get separation, and all he needs is an inch. He gets that separation, and the next thing you know, he's launching one. Right by you. Yeah. But it was unbelievable to watch him get in that zone

and to see guys get in the zone. Guys ain't usually get in the zone like this from distance. We've seen guys get hot Ocho, and they'll lay the ball up, and they got the mid-range game, the zone like this from distance. We've seen guys get hot Ocho and they'll lay the ball up and they got the mid-range game, but he's shooting from distance. Yeah. I mean, 22, 25, 28. Hell, the hell, 25. The logo.

He got that kind of range. He has that kind of handles. He's unbelievable to watch. And, whoo, I don't know. I might have to reassess what I think about the Golden State Warriors because I didn't think they was going to do that. They still got an uphill climb because they were, I think, 10th when Stephen and I had this conversation on Tuesday.

And so they got some digging because they're still in the playing currently. Right. I don't, I'm not sure how much ground they can make up to get out of that, that, that plan. I think you got to get to at least a six seed to get out of the plan. We'll see.

But Steph Curry carried him tonight. Jim, nobody did anything other than him, but when you got a guy like that, all you're doing is sitting pigs and get them to basketball. I ain't trying to interfere with that. I ain't trying to get no shots. If he hot, let him cook.

Hell yeah. Let's hear him burn. Don't cook. Let him burn it down. Burn this mofo down. But he was on one tonight. Like I said, when he gets going like that, it's just like, oh, Joe, you see like a guy catches a bunch of passes.

Once he gets it going, you see Chase and Jeddah, and you see these guys get going. You at their mercy. Once a lineman get going, you let a Miles Garrett or you let a T.J. Watt, and they get a couple of sacks early, you got your hands full the rest of the game. You better double him. You better chip him. And they get a couple of sacks early. You got your hands full the rest of the game, man. You better double him. You better chip him.

Now, you better not. Hey, nah, that's an all-pro over there, left tackle. That's an all-pro. I don't care. That don't mean nothing. Not when the guy's getting it going like that. You kind of at their mercy. And when Steph gets it going, and these guys, I mean, you're talking about anybody. Dame, Klay.

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but I can't think of someone that's more worthy with the work that you put in. Oh, yeah. The way you prepare. You know, hey, I get intel. The way the professionalism, that what you display, how you go about your business, how you try to get better and better every day, the attention to detail that you put in. Man, I want to take my hat off and say congratulations. And I'm proud you're a Bronco, bro.

Yeah, appreciate it, man. And listen, you know, but Pete, you know I've been watching you since high school, boy, man. Obviously, having the battles with your pops, man, when you was in the league, they're now watching you dominate at the position and being the number one defensive back in the league. I want to know, my first, what's your mindset, man,

when you line up against some of the best receivers in the league. I want to know, my first, what's your mindset, man, when you line up against some of the best receivers in the league with a great understanding, as technically sound as you are and as savvy as you are, how important is you to be able to keep your composure in most situations with DB's panic, which makes you probably the best in the league on that trade alone, outside of ball skills and other stuff. He froze. P.S., we might need to get you a Boost Mobile contract, bro, so you'll stop freezing up on us.

Nah, this Wi-Fi tripping, man. Pete, where you at? Wi-Fi? You at the crib? Yeah. I don't know. What's wrong with the Wi-Fi? Nah. What Ocho was asking you is that what's your mindset when you go into a game

and you know you're going to have to travel. You got a lot of frequent flyers, Miles, because you go left, right. Sometimes you jump in the slot, but mainly you're outside, but you're taking the opposing team's best receiver. What is your mindset? How do you get locked in on a given Sunday? Yeah, I think it all starts with preparation, knowing your opponent,

knowing who you're going up against, you know, because the NFL each and every week, you know, you're going up against a top-line receiver each and every week so you know you got to have that mindset going in like you're going to win every rep at the end of the day so now every time i go and play every sunday i look at it as a blessing because you know i get to go up against the best you know and perform at a high level so hey growing up listen did you always know you want did you always know you wanted to follow your father's footsteps as a cornerback or was it another position you wanted to play or was it always defensive back no i wasn't always db uh you know i've always wanted to be a running back

growing up for real yeah i mean you know you know i played at ppo ppo bingos oh yeah yeah yeah when you was at ppo yeah yeah yeah y'all be cheating out there man yeah I was I was showing all that running back man I always want to be okay uh but then like you know I play offense you know and then it when I went to DB it sort of translated naturally and I sort of got the feel for you know know, the instincts. You know, I had a press game already, so I was like, I'm just going to carry it over to DB. And, you know, the game went off from there. Yeah.

When people describe you, the one thing they say, technically sound, always on balance. To a team. He doesn't get lazy. He doesn't get lazy with his footwork. He doesn't get lazy with his hand placement. He doesn't get lazy with his footwork. He doesn't get lazy with his hand placement. He doesn't get lazy with his head. What are you thinking?

Like, when you go up there and you're like, okay, I got X, Y, I got whoever the receiver is. When you lock in and you're like, I got this guy, what are you thinking, P.S.? Shoot, first thing, I'm thinking of being sound. Okay. You know, like you said, technically sound. Like, it's talking to my eyes, you know, making said technically sound like it's throwing my eyes you know making sure my eyes at the right spot you know not guessing you know you know being

sound with that you know and putting making sure my my feet match the receiver's feet at the end of the day okay you know the receivers you know chad y'all getting out of break danny you know y'all so quick so we got to react and that's the main, making sure I'm able to react, you know, a couple of seconds, you know, later with the receiver's timing at the end of the day. So, you know, I'll make sure I'm with that and hand placement is right. You know, when I'm pressing, you know, feet aligned with my eyes at the end of the day. So, you know, that's the main thing. Right.

Let me ask this Ocho, let me get this. I got a good one. Are you a pattern read guy or you a down and distance guy? So, you know, that's the main thing. Right. Let me ask this, Ocho. Let me get this. Go ahead. I got a good one. Are you a pattern read guy or are you a down and distance guy? Because me, I'm looking at guys, how guys play me. I'm looking at down and distance, how they play. I'm looking at when we're in a certain formation, how they play. So are you a pattern read guy or are you a down and distance guy?

I think that's a good question. i think it ties in both ways uh okay like when you when you realize down the distance right like you realize what patterns about to come like you know like it was third and short you know you you fall by one backside you you you expect this you know you need to read you know i mean so like when you when you tie in those little things you know you understand the game like i read like two by two sets and be like okay two out to the flat number one guy in breaker you know i mean it's just like route concepts have different levels to it you know when you're db and you look at it firsthand but you know it comes with experience you know i mean right i want to say necessarily say when I was a rookie,

I knew that. You know, so the more and more time I had in the league and understanding offenses and how they process, it slowed the game down for me for sure. So I think when you go on Eastern every week and, you know, you got the right field preparation, I think all that ties in together. Yeah. Hey, this is what I wanted to ask you too because I had a lot of freedom to be able to do what I want to do

as long as I stayed within the time of the offense. And I'm curious, on the defensive side of the ball, being that you're so good, how much freedom do you have and reign to be able to do what you want to do within the defensive scheme based on the receiver that you're playing each week? Now, each week you're playing team number one. You're traveling with them, and every receiver is different. Do you change your game a little bit in your approach to that specific player each week,

being that they're different? And do they allow you the freedom to do that in the secondary? I'm not sure how strict your coach is. I'm just curious. Yeah, I mean, there's definitely some freedom. You know, it depends on the call. You know, we have different variations of calls. You know, it allows you to be free.

Like, man-to-man, like, you can switch it up, your leverage and stuff here. Right. Like, when I'm playing in the defensive scheme, I'm sort of like, if I'm a zone, I'm more solely focused on the quarterback sometimes. You know, I can receive, like, trying to bait the quarterback or give the quarterback this look and thinking of something else at the same time.

But, yeah, you know, you get a lot of leeway out there, you know, but it's all about, you know, playing confident. You know, it all starts with your confidence and your ability at the end of the day. So I think with our defensive scheme, you know, Vance Joseph, he allows us to, you know, excel in our skill set. You know what I mean? Play free. I'm looking at you and, like, you play a DK Metcalf or a Mike Evans,

those are more big-body receivers that want to get physical. You play a smaller receiver that's quick. Now, I don't know if people know this, you're a rangy guy. I mean, you got long arms. I mean, you're 6'2". You're a legit 6'2 1⁄2". I ain't know if there's no way I would'2". You're a legit 6'2 1⁄2". I ain't no way I'm going to choose on. You're a legit 6'2 1⁄2".

So when you go up against, say, a DK Metcalf on one's play, and now you got Jackson Smith and Jigma, or you got Lockett on the next play, how difficult is it for you to get it out like, okay, this guy's more physical. Okay, I know I got to be able to be strong at my initial point versus the guy that got fast twitch that's looking to get up out of there in a hurry yeah that's the thing man like you know people people have this like notion on tall db saying you know they can't get in and out of breaks you know i mean i mean obviously they

know tall dbs may be physical but that's the thing like Like, as DB, you got to have quick feet. You know what I mean? You got to be sudden as well, too. So when I go against bigger receivers, I'm like, okay, we match up pretty well. Like, that's my game, being physical. But, like, them quicker, smaller receivers, that shifty and quick, it's like, okay, now I got to tie into my game a little bit more. Now it's not about physicality, you know. It's all about the feet, being aware, being sudden. But that just goes in towards the work and the offseason,

like making sure my short area of quickness is up to par. You know what I mean? All that ties in together because, you know, them receivers stop on a dime. Them boys got to translate that, getting out the break and finishing on the play. So I think every week has its own challenge because, you know, sometimes I go against a new receiver.

I don't know any experience against them, but a guy can be quick. You know, you got to just read and react at the end of the day. Yeah. Listen, for me, my toughest challenge is, you know, during my tenure, during my career, obviously, you know, playing within the division, having to deal with the Ike Taylors, the Lee Boddens, obviously Darrell Reavers being the best DB I've ever gone against during my tenure in the league.

Who would your top three receivers be that you feel are the most difficult to cover or would give you issues? You know, I'm trying to find a way where you can give them, you know, their flowers without saying that they they can beat you you know but there's always somebody yeah you know there's it's crazy because receivers seem like every year like another receiver pops up like right like people had under the radar so it's like i'd be going through the through the lineage of receivers that i could see pop up, like, year in and year out. Because I look at consistency as well, too.

Right, right. You know, so, like, Ozzy Jamal, he up there. He had a great year. You know, I went against him. You know, it was a good matchup between me and him. A good battle. Then we have, like, Devontae Adams. Yeah.

We have good battles. Like, I look at dudes that I battle against. You know what I mean? Right. You know, we have all good match battles. Like, I look at dudes that I battle against, you know what I mean? Right. You know, we have all good matchups. And let me see. I say Tyreek Hill. Ooh.

And he's been like, he was that dude for sure. He's that dude. So, some good matchups. Pat, your dad, senior, all pro. How much time did he spend with you once you decided you're going to play db how much time did he spend with you did you guys watch film did he say okay look for this did he work with you on certain things so what what's been some of the lessons that your dad having a day playing the nfl play at a high level what's some of the things that he's taught you yeah i think it's an honor um

you know being able to you know sort of you that, you know, personal life that played at a high level. You know, I mean, you know, just learning from him, learning what he's seeing from the game. I'm just I just you know, I'm just a sponge, you know, I'm soaking in everything he taught me, you know, from day one. So, you know, being able to translate that to the game now, it's honestly a blessing. But, you know, I learned a lot. I mean, he just knows the game, the ins and outs of the game. You know what I mean? He's played in the league for, you know, a long time.

So being able to have that on my side with his experience, it helps a lot. You know, just from when I was in the backyard just doing drills with him, now just watching film and stuff whenever he had the chance to, I think it's honestly a privilege for sure. Let me ask you this. At Alabama, Coach Saban spent a lot of time with the DBs. He was very, very hands-on, coaching eyes, eyes, this, feet, this, this, and this.

Tell me about Coach Saban and his approach to coaching DBs and some of the lessons that he taught you. Because it seemed like Coach Saban was hard. I told you to do it like this. Yeah. Yeah, that's him, man. The thing is about Saban, like, obviously he's very hands-on, but it's with a purpose.

Like, it's with a result that comes with it. Like, you know know the things he teach you you know you just can't hear one ear not the other you got to really lock in and understand it because he'll come back with you and challenge you with the same question each and every day and then if you don't lock in that's when you're like man i can't trust you you know i mean i can't put you on that field you know so i think a lot of a lot of things he says was very you know prevalent you know to what he teaches and uh you know it was was very, you know, prevalent, you know, to what he teaches. And, you know, it was a pleasure because, you know, every once in a while you needed that.

You know what I mean? You needed somebody to get on your ass and here and there. I mean, I think it was definitely a learning experience for me, but it was well worth it. You know, being coached by the greatest college football coach to ever do it, you know, at the end of the day. So, you know, my times there, spending with him, I learned a lot. You know, it just, when I take some of the lessons that he taught me, I sort of translate to league now, so. What were those practices like?

You got Henry Ruggs. You got Devontae Smith. You got Judy. You got, I mean, you got Waddle. You got those guys. It's not like you're like, okay, man, let me go on over here. I Smith. You got Judy. You got, I mean, you got Waddle. You got those guys. It's not like you're like, okay, man, let me go on over here. I'm going to take Judy. Hold on.

He was the Blitnikoff Award winner. Man, I got Devontae Smith. He caught the game-winning touchdown at the National Championship game as a true freshman. He's the Heisman Trophy winner. He's the Blitnikoff. Every award that he did, he did that. He's like, nah, let me go on and jump on Waddle.

You got a guy that's running 4-2 bulls by you. You got a guy at rugs running 4-2 by you. I mean, what was practice like? Because I know there had to be some ish talking going on, Pat. For sure, it was competitive. It was like through my college career, I wasn't even like, the games was the games.

The games were so easy because you know you want to play. I was so much worried about how I'm going to perform in practice. In the game, you know, you went up and practiced. I was so much worried about how I'm going to perform and practice in the game, you know what I mean? Because, like I said,

you got Jude, you got Waddle, and you got Smitty and Ruggs. It's like, those four right there, like, you see it in the game live in action, and you're like,

man, any one of these boys go for, like, 200, three tubs. Easy. You know, if they want to, then you got two

at quarterback, Mack Jones, Bryce Young, Jalen Hurts, then you got two of that quarterback, Mack Jones, Bryce Young, Jalen Hurts, and you back there like, man, like, yeah,

these some dudes, these some dogs. Yeah, it was a lot of shit talking though, like, we had competitive periods and like,

boom, like, the defense would win and the offense would get mad, get frustrated and Saban, you know,

he a defensive coach so, you know, we ain't practice on a good note, you know, good speech, good practice, but boy, the offense would get mad, get frustrated. And Saban, you know, he a defensive coach. So, you know, we ain't practice on a good note, you know, good speech, good practice. But, boy, the offense come back the next day. Light y'all up. Moms. You know, like, we have a tough day.

Through them competitive periods, then Saban, he'd be like, break it down. Then, boom, we would just run gases. It's because the defense did bad, man you ain't to see the defense lose but like yeah but them practices man like i can vividly remember like ush is like getting better like each and every day like you know hot summer days through them uh grueling days like it was well worth it because in the game it was like piece of cake boom i know i need to line up like he do a release boom oh it's easy like i'm on the hill when in practice it's like a piece of cake. Boom, I know where I need to line up. He do a release, boom, it's easy. I'm on the hill. When in practice, it's like I need to lock in, get my A, you know what I mean?

Yeah, it was definitely memorable for sure. That's dope. You've had some incredible plays, bro. Obviously, I've watched the highlights numerous times, being that I'm a huge, huge advocate for excellent DB play. You've had some incredible plays in your early career. Earlier, in your early career, in the early stage of your career, what's been your favorite moment in the NFL so far?

Outside of getting drafted. I know getting drafted is that you can't replicate or replace that moment, but outside of that, what's been your favorite moment so far? Shoot, I think it just happened, winning that deep point, man. Uh, that's pretty, that was a pretty surreal feeling. Uh, I just think, you know, that just ties into all the work I put into off season, you know, and just setting my goals aside, you know, and, uh, put into fruition. I think that was my favorite moment so far, but I say, I say another thing is that's very underrated is, you know, and put into fruition. I think that was my favorite moment

so far. But I say another thing is, that's very underrated is, you know, building relationships, you know, across the league, you know what I mean? You know, building bonds that, you know, around the league that, you know, you would cherish for a lifetime. And that's one of the things that, you know, I've been able to get exposed to, you know, meeting great vets, you know what I mean? Being around great locker rooms, great presence like that. I think that's very cool. That's part of the NFL brotherhood. But, yeah, I mean, I know I got a lot more years to go.

So I know things will keep rolling. Experience is going to keep coming. So, no, I'm very excited. You know, I'm enjoying it so far. How does a young man stay hungry? You have such great accomplishments early in your career. You've been an all-pro. You've gone to the Pro Bowl.

You just won Defensive Player of the Year in your third year. What does Pat Sertan do to stay hungry? Because a lot of times when people are achieving an accomplishment, you climb a mountain. You're like, yes. But the really great ones find another summit to scale. What does Pat Sertan do for an encore? Man, I just realized at this point, man, you know, you've done everything, you know, at some point, but there's always room to get better.

Like, sometimes I'd be like, like on this play, like, man, I could have did something different here. You're like, boom, like, what's I could have did something different here. Like, boom, like, what's that next step in order for me to get there? You know what I mean? Like, I'm still a work in progress.

You know what I mean? I still haven't reached my ceiling at the end of the day. So, I feel like there's more work to be done. And I feel like right now, you know what I mean? People get into that, you know,

I'm getting to that point where, you know, you know, people going to bring their A game, you know, each and every week, you know what I mean? They're going to try, you know I'm getting to that point where you know you know people gonna bring their A game you know each and every week you know what I mean

they gonna try you know have their best game against me you know have their best number against me so I know like you know what I mean I still

I'm still hungry you know what I mean I'm still working I'm still the same dude each and every week preparing the right way fundamentally

and um you know making sure I keep on sharpening my toolbox so you know this offseason I'll put the work in and get better at the end of the day. You guys have a great season. Speaking of offseason, you know, I got McLeese with me too now. Line him up.

I'm going to be AZ. You know, we can line him up. I'm being AZ. Oh, you're waiting in Arizona? Yeah, I'm being AZ, man. Man waiting arizona yeah i'm being az man hey pat man you ain't seen last year ocho tried to get off a dude man dude shoved him under the sideline people have both hands in his chest not what he didn't stab left or right right left yes breastplate hey listen the man and he did this right here to him.

He squeezed it. I said, oh, man, get out of here. Hey, listen, what you got to understand, Pat, you got to understand, I hadn't done no movement

like that in 12 years. The man asked you, did that happen? Nah, that ain't happen. This man. You say he lied? Yeah. I got to see this.

Hey, wait, wait. Hey, listen. You don't have a chance, man. Come again? Wait, wait, wait. Hey, listen. You don't have a chance, man. Come again? You don't have a chance. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Come again to press play? Say that one more time?

You don't have a chance. Okay. You don't have a chance. Bronco Country, stand up. That's what we do. Hey, Padley, we're going to get you here on this one. You guys made the playoff

your first couple years didn't have a whole lot of success. This year, you seem to have found a quarterback in Bo Nix, who was a rookie, played extremely well. What are the expectations moving forward next year and beyond? Yeah, we got great expectations. I think this was just the start, you know what I mean, of a long journey ahead.

I mean, like you said, Bo, you know, we got a great young core. You know what I mean? And we also got some veterans as well, too. So, you know, I'm looking forward to it, man. I feel like we ended the season on a good note, but not the note that we wanted to. Because obviously we was, you know, going into that playoff run looking for more. But, you know, it comes with it. But now since we know how to get there, it's all about sustaining and finishing the right way

and getting to that next step. I think that's the main goal, man. It's just building the right pieces together. You know what I mean? I think with our team right now, I think we're going to bring everybody back together as we split. So I'm looking forward to it. I think we're going to even be more

hungry just because we went to the playoffs, but not only that, we got a lot more left in the tank. I'm excited. You're not satisfied. Pat has merch. You can copy his merch

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Shirts, hoodies, beanies. Everything you need. Limited edition. There it is. Your boy, limited edition. Ranking Defensive Player of the Year, Bronco Country. Number two,er 10 to second Congratulations

Tell your pops I said what's up Hopefully all well With the family Continued success bro And you repping You repping Bronco Country

Quite well bro Mile high salute Y'all stay Alright bro I'm out of here Appreciate it bro Let's go Alright

Yeah That well You see what we got On choke Huh Got that Hold on Before Before it was a Bronco Boy he from the crib Yeah. All right. Yeah. That was, you see what we got Ocho? Huh? Got that thing locked up. Hold on, before he was a Bronco, boy,

he from the crib, man. I ain't trying to hear all that. He's from the crib. Ocho. Yes, sir. This is how dominant he was against Seattle

with those three-headed monsters, DK Metcalf, Jackson Smith, and Jigba, and Lockett. He gave up 39 yards. He gave up 16 yards to the Steelers, 8 yards to the Bucs,

22 yards to the Jets, 24 yards against the Raiders, not a single yard against the Chargers. He was out the next week. He gave up 5 yards to the Panthers, 15 to the Ravens, 18 to the Chiefs, 0 yards against the Falcons,

35 yards against the Raiders, 25 yards against the Browns. They were on a bye week. 4 yards to the Colts, 23 yards against the Chargers, 45 yards against Higgins and Chase, and then 27 yards the last game. So in 16 games, Ocho, he gave up a little more than 200 yards. Yeah, the funny thing about it

is people will look at that and really not understanding how great that is. We not, we not talk about, we not talk about a cornerback that stays on one side of the field.

We're talking about a cornerback that travels, you know. There have been very few that actually travel. Prime, De'Rell Revis, I think Champ Bailey,

you know, during his time. Champ did it. Rod Woodson did it. Yeah yeah i don't think people understand how difficult that is being able to play a team's number one receiver each and every week having to change your style of play based on who you're playing as well you know man and ocho ocho on you have to change according to what side of the field you're on oh yeah everything changes

people don't understand that it's the same thing just like on the upfield stand you're on the left you're on the right as a receiver hey

the ball it's funny man you got a dominant eye you got a dominant eye but man he had an unbelievable season Ocho he had an unbelievable season Travis Kelsey plans to had an unbelievable season very travis kelsey

plans to play next season kelsey text pat mcafee i'm coming back for sure gonna try to get back to the best shape i've ever been this offseason and get back to the mountaintop got a real bad taste in my mouth with how i played in the last game and how i got uh got uh how i got the guys ready for battle, and I can't go out like that. I told y'all. I said it wouldn't happen. He was coming back simply for the fact the way it ended. No one is ending their career like that, you know, especially a great one like Trapp,

who's considered, who most consider, including yourself, you know, the greatest tight end of all time. If I'm going to finish it, I want to finish it the right way. I'm not finishing it with that taste in my mouth. That's not happening. Yeah, for me, it's hearing Gronk, and some people say Gronk, some people are going to say Kelsey.

But if you look at the consistency and the longevity in which he's played with, and with the exception of the last game, that's really the only game that you can say, well, Trav didn't have it. Trav didn't come to play. He had the most catches in playoff history. He had the second most yards, the second most touchdowns, and the consistency year in and year out. The 1,000 yards even leading his team in receptions.

Yeah, for me, that's it for me. But, hey, if you say Gronk, you got a very compelling argument as well. Ocho, earlier today, Travis Hunter spoke about playing both positions in the NFL. Let's take a listen to what Trav had to say. They say everybody, nobody has ever done it for real the way I do it, but I tell them I'm just different. I'm a different person. I like it.

I love the confidence, huh? Yeah. You know, you and I played, we have experience. You and I played at the highest level. You and I played at the highest level. We've done it at the highest level consistently year in and year out. You know, despite the accolades, you know, the resume, the Hall of Fame, the rings, the All Pros, all that. And the one thing that you know you need when you play the game of football

to be great is you need confidence. You need to be able to believe in yourself. Now, whether we feel it's possible to do, the fact that he believes he can do it, that alone can be enough. Will it be enough? Now, you understand how much playing both sides of the field. He ain't playing no 100 snaps a game for 17 games. That ain't happening.

Okay, yeah, yeah. I don't think he realized how many 100 snaps a game for 17 games. That ain't happening. Okay, yeah, yeah. I don't think he realized how many 100 snaps is in the NFL. People don't realize there's a difference between college. I mean, that receiver, the Stanford receiver that put 200 on him, I don't even know if that guy's in the league. And if he is, he ain't playing a whole lot. Now, you got Jetta one week. You got Chase one week.

You got Cortland Sutton one week. You got A.J. Devontae. You got C.D. Tyreek Waddle. Now, you got them. Week after week after week after week. Now, you going up against. You got P.S. 2. You got Denzel Ward.

You got Stingley. You got Jalen Ramsey. Really? Really? Aren't you i listen um and listen as crazy as may as crazy as it may sound the one thing you need to have not only confidence but the belief that you can do something that's never been done before hell he might shock the world he might shock you he might He might shock me. But if there's one person, if there's one person that might be able to do it

based on his conditioning, you know, his small experience and playing both sides of the ball, I mean, there might be a wake-up call once he gets to the NFL and realize, okay, maybe I've been off a little more than I can chew. We gonna see, though.

Because the thing is, I think he, me personally, I think he's better at DB than receiver, because I think he's a little rough around the edges at the receiver, and I think a lot of what he does is athleticism. And you know this, if, boy, they hunt on that defensive side,

they look for any weakness, you tip any route, they on your ass. If they, Ocho, hey, if you lean the slightest, they ain't gonna say nothing. You're like,

how do you know I was running this? You tipping them off. Oh, they watching. Hey, why you think them guys be making play you're like damn that's great film study yeah it is great film study yeah but also it's the slightest the slightest hint you about to come break slightest hint you might just stop man they all on that yeah them guys feet so good they be good they. They feet great. And you get the best of the best. Yeah. Every week. Because you know what, Ocho? If you're the number one,

first of all, you're going to be a high draft pick. You know what receivers want to do to the high draft pick? Okay. You on the offensive side of football, what you think them DBs looking to do? Because they know if they lock you up and get a pick or they press you, they're going to get on SportsCenter.

I'm going to make a name for myself against you. What did Pat say? I know guys are going to come try to get catches on me. I know they're going to try to do to me. What you think they're going to try to do to a rookie DB wide receiver? They try to have him in jail. Hey, you got to be on

your best behavior every single game because what I tell people, Ocho, and you know this, you look at a guy, you say, oh, man, he ain't all pro. He don't go to no Pro Bowls. Everybody in that league has the ability to make everybody else in that league look foolish. Every time. If you just say, oh, only TJ Watt

can get a sack on me or only Miles Garrett. Boy, they got a guy out there you ain't never heard of seen before. That juggler behind you before you know it. Mm-hmm.

And you thought, oh, man, that ain't nobody, man. And the dude got you over there with the water cooler. You cannot underestimate anybody. Right. At that level.

Because at some point in time, Ochoa and their career, they was an all conference. They was an all this. They were all, all state. They were all something. Yeah.

You don't make it to that level by accident. You don't. Not at all. Not at all. I mean, you know, you know, it's funny.

It's sometimes we look at, we look at the product, you know, even though I'm, I'm, you know though I ain't finna talk about nobody. Because you look at the product that was out there Super Bowl Sunday. Yeah. Make you think twice about what you just said sometime, especially that O-line, boy. Oh, Joe, now a lot of mock drafts have him going to the Jags.

Now, Brian Thomas Jr.'s one. Could he slide in and be 2-3? Ooh. I like that, boy. I like that. And honestly, that'd be two ones. Honestly. If you think about it. Nah, he ain't no two ones. Brian Thomas Jr. on the difference.

Brian Thomas Jr. said, I'm not so sure Brian Thomas Jr. ain't a top 10 receiver right now. I ain't talking about until next year. I ain't going to wait until next year, Ocho. Top 10 right now. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that.

I'm saying Hunter, just from an athletic standpoint and what he can do with the ball in his hands, I don't think he would be a one. You said a one and a two. I'm thinking them two ones. That's what I meant. No, I'm going to have to pay you. I got to see it at that level.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. I got you. I got you. We. I'm going to have to pay. I got to see it at that level. Okay, okay, okay. I got you. I got you. We've seen a lot of ones in college. Ain't going to be no one when they get to the NFL. It's kind of like what you see guys now, Ocho. A lot of teams say they shied away from taking college kids. Everybody's looking

to grab somebody out of the portal. Because that's why, Ocho. I've seen them do it at the college level. I don't have to speculate on what he can do. I've already seen him do it. Right. And a lot of teams, Ocho, they're doing away with spring ball

because they don't want nobody else to see them. Guys are taking a clip, sending them out, saying, hey, what y'all got for your boy? So teams are not having spring practices, Ocho, because they're so worried about other teams pillaging their players

yeah hey man I got $500,000 for you alright deuces we out Ocho you're in Oregon State you done did that thing and then here come Oregon State Ocho we got $650,000 for you shh

man grab my money ain't no more potty meat Here come Oregon and say, Ocho, we got $650,000 for you. Man, grab my money. Ain't no more potty meat. Ain't no more potty sausage, mama. Yeah. Right away, $650,000? Listen, that mean, that tell you there, I wouldn't have had to do what I was doing back then. You know, man.

That's a whole other story, bro. Yeah, it's, like I said, I'm anxious to see. Like I said, and I've said this from day one, I feel he's a better

corner than a wide receiver because I think he's a little unpolished in that area and it's hard to get polished in one area when you're working on something

else. Because normally guys that get good at something, don't you know, what do they do? That something. Mm-hmm. You're good at something don't you what do they do that's something you're good at something you know a guy orthopedics they're good at uh dr neal elatron dr james andrew they're good at what they do they're not trying to do neurosurgery

they're not trying to do anesthesiology they're not trying to you know kid or trauma surgeon right the orthopedics yeah You get good at doing something. It's boring, but it's a lot of repetition. Right. How do you get good at being a great wide receiver and a great DB? At that level. Now, he was sensational in college, but we're talking about the creme de la creme. That's my thing.

How did he put that kind of time in to really hone and focus the skill sets? Okay, I'm going to be taught this, and I'm going to be taught that. Do I believe he had Deion not play DB and says, I'm going to devote all my time to playing wide receiver? I believe time could have been made to the Hall of Fame as a wide receiver. He had that kind of ability. Yeah. He had that kind of ability.

Like I said, people don't realize just how good he was. I mean, people, you know, look at the brashness, and they look at all the chains and the flashy stuff, but you had to see it. You got to see it in person. I ain't talking about no goddamn YouTube either. Nah, nah, you got to see it. You got to see it in person. I ain't talking about no goddamn YouTube either. Nah, nah, you got to see it. I'm talking about it in person.

You got to be on the field, yeah. I saw him in his absolute prime. I saw defensive player of the year prime. I saw prime, cowboy prime. Yeah. Atlanta prime. I saw that guy. 49er, 49er prime.

Yes, yes. We played him. When he wasn't defensive player of the year, when he first went to the 49ers. Yeah. You saw him, yes. Different. Absolutely.

He was that. He absolutely was. So I'm rooting for Trav. I think he's one of the top two or three players in all the draft. Now, whether or not that equates to him going number one overall, you keep hearing about the kid out of, I keep saying kid, but the young man out of Penn State, Abdul Carter. Abdul Carter, yes.

But he has a stress fracture at his foot. Doctors, I read today, doctors are advising him not to have the surgery. With no need. Did you see the season he just had? Did you see the season he just had? With the stress fracture that they say is in his foot? Mm-hmm. Man, come on, man.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. They said doctors have advised Abdul Carter against foot surgery, according to his agent, Drew Rosenhaus. Carter, a potential first overall draft pick in the NFL, has a stress reaction in his right foot and was facing the possibility of surgery after tests revealed the injury on Wednesday. But after undergoing further scans on his foot, Carter will work out Penn State Pro Day on March 28.

Rosenhaus says he now considers the stress reaction a non-factor But after undergoing further scans on his foot, Carter will work out Penn State Pro Day on March 28. Rosenhaus says he now considers the stress reaction a non-factor to Carter's draft status. Ocho, remember, you see what happens? He goes somewhere, and what do they do? They give him the test, and you got a boo-boom. Remember we were having this conversation about the guy from the Hornets. The Hornets, yeah. He goes to other doctors.

Mm-hmm. But as good as Abdul Carter is, guess what's going to happen? He's still going to be in that top three. Oh, yeah, for sure. Still going to be in that top four, you know. Elcho, if you got a quarterback, I need to have somebody that can go get the quarterback.

I need somebody to hunt his ass down. So I need somebody to disrupt everything going on. Yes. Al Davis' famous quote, quarterback must go down, and he must go down hard. And it needs to happen. It did happen in the first couple possessions. Right.

Hey, go back and look at the way the Raiders used to play back in the 70s and the 80s, when it was really, it was no holds barred. You can't play like that now, Ocho. But the quarterback must go down, and he must go down hard. Right. Because he's the head of the snake. Whatever I say.

Kill the head, the ass die later. Everything. He controls everything. So you got to, and if the quarterback is the ass, die later. Everything. He controls everything. So you got to, and if the quarterback is the most important position, I got to have somebody go track him down. I need that bounty hunter. Oh, yeah. Hey, what was that movie with Tommy Lee Jones?

He was tracking people down, Wesley Snipes. What was that movie? Tommy Lee? Yeah. Tommy Lee Jones. What's Marshall? U.S. Marshall. U.S. Marshall.

Remember that? I ain't seen that in a minute, boy. You got to have a bounty hunter. Yeah. And that's what Miles Garrett. That's what T.J. Watt. That's what an Abdul Carter. That's what a Micah Parsons.

That's what a Sweat. That's what those guys, Nolan Smith III. That's what T.J. Watt that's what an Abdul Carter that's what a Michael Parsons that's what a Sweat that's what those guys Nolan Smith III that's what those guys are I got to go get you I got to go get you I can't let you have a clean pocket I need to create chaos in your life

yeah young boy nice though young boy real nice oh yeah and he had a hurt shoulder and he was giving them hell. He was giving Notre Dame hell with one shoulder. He had one move, and they could barely stop that one move. I can imagine if he's healthy now. Oh, Lord.

And he had a nice little package to his game. He's going to be nice. You look at how he's built, he's really angular. So that lets me know he can transfer, feed the power. He got a rip. He got overarm. He can just straight up bull you. He can get around the edge and dip.

That's what all the rushes. He's got to be able to bend the corner. Ten your beam. Hey, he's not that big. He's a little underside. I call it underside. I call it underside. He probably weigh 235, I would assume. Yeah. So he's not that big. He's a little underside. I call it underside. I call it underside. He probably weigh 235, I would assume.

So he's a little underside. He's more like a Von Miller, Michael Parsons. Yes, yes, yes. Very quick. I think Michael probably like 250 now. Yeah, very quick. I think Michael probably 250. But earlier, oh yeah.

Yeah, those guys, the DTs, the guys that be able to bend. I mean, they can be parallel to the ground. Ground. Turning that corner. Guys trying to punch, and they under the punch. Yeah, that's special. He's special, man. Oh, yeah, for sure.

Listen, there's a reason he wore that 11 at Penn State now. Oh, yeah. Well, that number was made famous by Michael Ward and what's the other guy's name LeVar LeVar Arrington

yeah oh hey remember LeVar remember LeVar's famous play where he jumped over the

yeah the Superman play and because you know LeVar was two Courtney Brown was one Courtney Brown went to Cleveland. LeBron went to Washington. Yeah.

Courtney Brown. Mm-hmm. Ocho, the Eagles are reportedly a real threat to go after Miles Garrett. They expect Josh Sweat to move on. Josh Sweat is not going to be the only one that's be moving on. I think it's Michael Williams. the other D-tackle.

He's going to be gone, too. He'll be gone, too. Hey, listen. I saw the reports today. The Browns are willing to negotiate with Miles Garrett. I don't want that. Guess what? My new team is going to negotiate, too.

Hey, and he said no. He said no, and I'm sure they're probably going to stand firm unless they get an offer that they can't refuse. And I think that's what the Eagles will have to do in order to get Myles Garrett over there. Listen, with Howie, with Howie and— I don't put a pass on him. I don't put nothing past him.

Based on the way things have been going, you miss a few pieces, but you add someone like Miles Garrett to that defense, man, you already got Jalen Carter. Commander's going to be in play, too? Yeah.

Miles Garrett is unwilling to negotiate a contract extension with the organization, as his agents have apparently slammed the door shut on any discussions per Mary Kay Cabot. Listen discussions per Mary Kay Cabot. Listen, when Mary Kay Cabot speaks about the Browns, listen, when Diana Rossini, when she speaks about the Jets, when Jane Slater speaks about the Cowboys,

I hope you're listening. Yeah. I hope you're listening. when those women speak about an issue about said teams they're plugged in yeah I'm talking about plugged in like a hot comb

you know what I'm saying don't you oh yeah most definitely most definitely Garrett remains firm he no longer wants to be in Cleveland

look 29 year old defensive player of the year 29 year old guys that have four consecutive 14-sack seasons, those guys don't grow on trees. And let me ask you this. Do you think there's a guy in the draft that can give you

that kind of production over the next five years? Okay. So it doesn't matter where you are. I trade him. Now, if I'm a defense, you know, if I need something to shore up my defense, Philly said we good offensively. We can get better defensively. And if that means, you know, we trade a couple of first-round draft picks,

you're probably going to have to throw in a talent, a young player, Ocho. You're probably going to have to do that. The commander, you're probably going to have to do that. But at that point in time, look, I don't care nothing about them picks because I believe, Ocho, we're going to be picking 30th, 31st, or 32nd anyway because we're going to be in the championship game or the Super Bowl. That's what I believe. I know for certain I'm not getting a Myles Garrett with the 30th,

the 31st, or the 32nd pick. Now, I could. I could. But the likelihood isn't that good. Normally, those guys, your Derek Thomas, your Bruce Smith, and so forth and so on like that. Those guys, every once in a while, you'll find a Johnny Randall that was an undrafted free agent. Oh, yeah. But that doesn't happen often.

Right. You'll find a Diamond in the rough. You'll find a Terrell Davis or Shannon Sharp or Tom Brady in the later rounds. But listen, don't you stake your career on trying to find diamonds in the rough. Oh, no. That ain't going to work. You go belly up. You go belly up.

But look, it all depends on Cleveland, what's your asking price. We know this, Ocho. It's going to take two ones. Now, if it's this draft, you're going to have to pick swap. So you have to, hey, you have to give up your pick because they're keeping theirs. You have to give up this first-year pick and next year's first-round pick, probably a second and a fourth. Right.

Or second and a third, and probably a player. Feeling like we ain't got no problem. Feeling like, look, we're picking 32nd. Guess what? We're hoping to be picking 32nd next year. And y'all can have it. Y'all can have them. Yeah, most definitely.

As long as we're getting the results. As long as we get Miles Garrett. I mean, what's Jalen Hurts in year six? You got Devontae in year five? You got AJ? Man, bro, I'm not worried about that. We're going to be good. I'm not even concerned about those draft picks knowing where we are,

what we have, who we are. Take them. Take them. You can't have Jalen Carter. You can't have Mikel. Kenyon Mikel. You can't have Mitchell. Yeah, Kenyon Mitchell.

You can't have him. Everything else, Ocho, is in play is on the table huh yeah yeah for Miles Garrett yeah

you just said put Miles Garrett with Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis boy man slap me slap me

and call me silly and and you got uh uh uh uh nolan smith jr yeah yo hey young fella only 230 but he hey he can go now what We here? Hey, I heard, I saw him dropping offensive linemen at 2.30. He hitting 3.30. Guys, 3.30? Mm-hmm. I know they talking about it felt like trees falling on the head. Oh, so I'm talking about he in the grill. I'm talking about, hey, he putting his helmet under they chin.

I'm buckling him. At 2.30. I'm buckling him. At 230. So, but Miles, for an opportunity to get Miles Garrett, guys like this Ocho don't become available at the age of 29. Normally they have issues, off the field issues. They're coming off multiple injuries. Injuries, yeah. He's uninjured. He's, off the field issues. They're coming off multiple injuries. Injuries, yeah. He's uninjured.

He's clean off the field. Yeah. That's the kind of guy that you're willing. That's the guy. That's not no rolling the dice, but that's the guy that you say, okay, we'll give up two first rounds. We'll give him a second. We'll give up a third and a young, talented player to get a guy like that. Yeah, absolutely.

Let me grab a water. Let me grab a water. Let me grab a water. Go ahead. But Cleveland's going to try everything, Chad, to try to keep Miles Garrett. They think it's about money. Miles Garrett's like, bro, y'all just gave me a 125. I'm straight on the money issue.

The problem is here. It's not the money. It's the winning. I got money. I'm getting money, but I'm miserable. Week five, we're out of playoff contention. We got no hope. We got no quarterback, and I don't really

want to waste another year or two to try to build this thing back up. He's made it abundantly clear. He don't want to be a part of a rebuilding process. He wants to go somewhere that gives him a legitimate chance in order to win the championship, because that's what it's about. He's been an all-pro. He's been defensive player of the year.

Now he's like, man, let me go play meaningful ballgames. There's nothing like playing meaningful ballgames in December and January with a chance to play in February. So it's not the money. I mean, yeah, they would be willing to make him the highest paid. But he's going to be miserable because they're not going to win. Yeah. And you would think for all he's done so far in Cleveland,

he's done everything he can. They know, the team knows, the organization knows it's in a rebuilding stage. Why would you keep a player like that? Why would you keep a player like that, knowing that he can do you no justice in competing for a championship? Allow him to go while you rebuild and do your thing, get some assets and picks for him, and start over.

I agree. We say that now, Ochoa, because if we the GM at Cleveland, we ain't trying to let him go either. Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right. Me and you said that. That's not the biggest piece of the puzzle that we got that we can trade. Right. Hey, come on, bro.

We're going to make you the highest paid. We got $35 million per year. We're willing to give you five years, $175 million, because that's what we feel you're worth. And we're willing to fully guarantee a hundred million of that. Nah, I think I'm going to have to go on Mosey on after dough. Because guess what?

Somebody else will give me that too. And we got a chance to win. Yep. Which is much better because I done got enough money. Well, you can't ever have enough money. Oh yeah, I know what you mean mean there's no such thing as enough but i'm doing pretty well for myself you like to be doing better i mean if elon musk is worth 450 billion and he tried and still trying

to get contracts federal government contract yeah me and you we ain't got no billions so we definitely we definitely tried to make his meat you're right about that but uh yeah miles uh i understand um once you're gonna own the stomach so much and you know but money money money money okay when i got money and then here i am i'm going out there what i put my body through to get ready to make sure i go or that is that? That's quite close. What you looking at? Oh, I'm looking at this chat. We're trying to get tank plugged in.

Are we good to go, Ash, yet? Okay. It's easy to say, Ocho, money, money, money, but when you're competitive and you see everybody else getting an opportunity to play meaningful football, you see everybody else playing an AFC and NFC championship game. They're playing in the Super Bowl.

And here I am. I'm one of the premier players. I don't know what else he can do. And we don't have no chance. We got no chance whatsoever of playing meaningful games in December. We're not playing anything meaningful in January. Damn near week 10, I'm already thinking about what I'm going to do in the offseason. Season over.

So, with that being said, I understand Miles' frustration. He's had it up to here, wherever here is, his 6'4", 6'5", self. He just wants to move on and have an opportunity to play meaningful football in December and January. And I'm not so sure Cleveland can provide that over the next two years. And he says, I want to be somewhere where I can compete for a championship.

And I don't believe that's in Cleveland. Yeah. Let the man go on about his business, baby. We still waiting. He come on about his business, baby. We still waiting? He come on right there down, he come on down the street. Know the Cincinnati if you want to. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company.

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