Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Dak deserves credit, Burrow to blame, Aaron Rodgers accountability

Episode Date: October 7, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocino” Johnson discuss Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys coming back to win a hard fought game on the road against Justin Fields and the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday Night Football. Later, Unc and Ocho question if Joe Burrow is to blame after loss in OT vs Lamar Jackson, a dominate Derrick Henry and the Baltimore Ravens, Aaron Rodgers 3 INT performance and lack of accountability and much more!03:18 - Show starts06:10 - Dallas beat Pittsburgh15:30 - Bengals vbeatRavens41:33 - Texans beat Bills48:00 - Vikings beat Jets59:30 - Commanders beat Browns01:20:16 - Olipop Ad(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Give Dak Prescott a lot of credit. 29-42, 3-52, two touchdowns, two interceptions. I say the mark of any great offensive defense. Can you get done what you need to get done when you absolutely positively have to? Dak Prescott got done. That offense got done what they needed to get done. It took them fourth and goal, but a great throw, a great catch,

and they walk away with a 2017 victory. Ocho, what did you like about what you saw from the Cowboys? Listen, when it came to the Cowboys tonight, I didn't expect, obviously because of the conditions, the rain delay. I'm not sure what Cowboys we were going to get tonight. From a defensive standpoint, the Cowboys played better defense than they did all year. This is the kind of defense that I think if they had played in other games, they would have won.

Dag Prescott being clutch, like you said, being clutch when he has to be clutch, when you got to make the plays. You say the game of football is all about moments. When the moment arrives and he had to get it done, he got it done. Tolbert had a hell of a game. He had seven catches for 87 yards in the TD. No.

This is... I don't know how to say it. I'm trying to say it without saying anything wrong. What we saw tonight from the Cowboys is perfect. Now, what we don't need after tonight's performance in a hostile environment against a very, very good, very good team in the

Steelers is we don't need you-know-who come and talk about you. You know what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to even jinx it. I don't want to jinx it. Let Dak do the talking. Let Matthew Clark do the talking. Man, they already got Jerry.

They already got Jerry. Jerry, before they go into the locker room, they already got Jerry down at the front, at the door. Listen, allow that momentum. Allow that chemistry. Allow all that to gel within the team and not allow him to come in and interrupt things.

Ocho, look. congratulations to the Cowboys, but they're not going to play very many offenses that are as anemic as the Steelers. The offense is anemic Ocho. And I told you, this is the problem that they have. 28 rushes, 26 rushes, 92 yards, Justin Fields, 15 to 27, 131 Ocho. Ocho, you're not going to win very many games throwing the ball 431. In today's NFL.

Now, once upon a time, Ocho, you could win games like that. But it's harder and harder. And as good as the Steelers' defense is, their front seven is good. Their back end is a little inexperienced. And you see they got out of position. Jalen Tobert ran a shallow cross from one side to the other elliot like he was unsure bro right you got to get on your horses and beat him to the point yeah oh so he was like do i got him uh damn i don't i don't know what i'm supposed to do and

he like bro oh that's got to be a dead sprint because he's on a shallow cross. And you got to realize you're going over. So you got Ocho. If he options back, he got me, Ocho. He got me. He got me, Ocho. Hey, he got me. They game plan me. But you got to think in that situation, they're probably not going to run the option

because you don't want to run the chance of getting back hitting the back of the head because you don't know if they're coming with pressure or not. So more times than not, it's going to be on the dead run. Elliott seemed unsure of himself. Like, do I got him or not? And he wasn't booking it like he was supposed to book it. But I want to give Dak credit

though because Dak, I thought, played a well of a game. TJ Watt and what's the other linebacker? Hebring? Who is it? Yeah, Hebring. Herbig? How do you pronounce it? Is it Hebring or Herbig?

But anyway, they were constantly in the backfield pressuring Dak, but that last drive showed me a lot. It showed me a lot. I think the biggest thing that helped jalen tobert is that cd lamb was out right training camp and he got those reps he looks like a different receiver from last year to this year and sometimes all it takes is a guy getting reps to get his

confidence like yeah i do belong yes i'm supposed to be here and I can make plays. If you look at him now, compared to where he was last year, Ocho, he looks like a different receiver. You know what the good thing is? That's not only a good thing for Justin Tolbert, but that's a good thing for Dak. Now Dak, he won't second guess himself when he knows, you know what?

I can't go to CeeDee Lamb on this. Who are my other reliable targets that I can count on to make a play when I need a play to be made? Yeah. And Tober showed that tonight. And listen, stuff like that, that's always in your quarterback head. That's always in your quarterback head.

So now he won't hesitate. He won't hesitate to come to you next time we know a play needs to be made. Dowdell played well. He ran the ball 20 rushes, 87 yards. Had a great touchdown catch. Dak did a great job of throwing the ball. But the biggest play of the night was Dak jumping on that fumble. Fumble, yeah.

Landon Roberts did a great job, put his helmet right on the football. That could have ended up bad, little Joe. That could have ended up real, real bad. We've seen plays like that happen before. But give Dak credit. Didn't try to do anything spectacular. Let me just get on this football. We got another down.

Let's see what we can get done. And give him credit. But the Steelers are going to have to open Ocho. You can't play it close to the vest. You can't play it close to the vest like that and hope at the end your defense hangs on. So what you're saying? They're going to have to open up the offense.

You're not, Ocho, you're not going to win very many football games with 200 with 225 total yards. You know who they could open up the offense with? Who? Russell Wilson. Oh, kind of like the Broncos opening

up with Bo Nix. Oh, never mind. But we'll talk about that a little later. We're going to talk about that a little later. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you see the Broncos opening up with Bo Nix. Oh, never mind. But we'll talk about that a little later. We're going to talk about that a little later. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you see the Broncos. 34 straight on the Raiders.

Hadn't beaten the Raiders since 2019. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We talking about the Raiders now. Come on, don't do that. I thought you said they play football. That's what you tell me

all the time when I be saying that. Come on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. You got a little bit that, come on. Hold on. They're in the NFL. No, no, no. Hold, hold. So they don't play football? Hold on, man.

You got a little bit too much dip on your chip, man. I'm just saying. So they don't play football? So Oakland don't play NFL football, huh? I mean, excuse me. They do. They do. But, you know, they're going through some things right now.

You know? You know, they're going through some things right now. So I really wouldn't get too hyped and confident about winning the hype. Because I know somebody got a better record than you know who, but we're not talking about that. We're going to get to that a little later. What are we talking about? The Cowboys, 3-2 now.

They're 3-20 2017 over the Pittsburgh Steelers. They go on the road, Sunday night football, and they win a hard ball game. And now I think they come home to Detroit. I think their next game is against the Lions, a team that can run it. Wait, the Cowboys?

So at home? Yes, against the Lions. That's going to be a challenge. Yeah. It's going to be a difficult challenge, especially on defense. Well, you got to be solid. You got to be solid in the run game. Then you got to be on point in the pass game.

They're going to test you all game and all three phases of the game. The Lions are nice. They do a great job. Obviously, you say the one-two punch with Montgomery and Gibbs running the football. But they stress you horizontally and vertically because Jamison Williams can get down the field in a hurry and now they got those, now they got those horizontal, I'm going to say Brown, and they got other guys that can get the ball.

They signed Tim Patrick, who's doing well. Laporta. So, they're a very they're a very vast offense that can do a lot of different things. They're not afraid to take their chances down the field. They're not afraid to take their chances down the field. They're not afraid to open up their playbook. This is going to be a very big test for the Cowboys,

but it's also going to be a test for the Lions defense because the Lions defense on the back end, Ocho, they can get a little shaky too at times. So it's going to be very interesting to see how this thing plays out. But give the Cowboys credit. They go on the road, get a hard-fought victory 2017 over the Pittsburgh Steelers. Cowboys' next six games

at home against the Lions, at 49ers, at Falcons, at home against the Eagles, at home against the Texans, at Washington. Hey, that next 4-5, that's a gauntlet. That could be a make-or-break for them.

The Lions, then they got Saturday night. Then they got Sunday night against the 49ers. The App Falcons, they got Eagles. They got that Monday night. Looks like it's a Monday night game against the Texans. And then they got the Commanders, who's playing exceptionally well. Very well. Cowboys get exceptionally well. So very well. Cowboys get a,

get a win. They needed it. Now they're three and two Pittsburgh fall to three and two and a tie with the Ravens. The Ravens beat the Bengals in overtime, 41, 38 Lamar Jackson spearheaded the comeback double digits, multiple times in the fourth quarter,

but Lamar Jackson would not let this team lose. Lamar picked apart the banged-up Bengals secondary to the tune of 348 yards. He also had passed for four touchdowns, and he rushed for 55 yards. In the first five periods of the game, the Ravens put up 520 yards on 31st down. They needed every one of the big division win.

After the game, Burrow said it was frustrating that a team that started the year with title aspirations is nowhere close. We're not a championship-level team right now. We're not. I like to think that we'll come back and prove throughout the season to get to that point. But right now, we're not.

We have to get it together. Ocho, do you want to play a change of playoff prediction? No. No. Not at all. Not at all. Listen, we in a hole, huh? But we in a hole.

I feel bad as a Bengal fan, as a Bengal player, as a former player. The game was good, though. Offensively, the game was good. It was good to see that offense look like it should have looked starting in week one. It was good to see that Bengals offense. Look how they look, how they always look by the time you get to week three and so on. Defense still, still a little shaky.

Still a little shaky. A little shaky? Well, I mean, we shaky, shaky. We shaky, shaky. I don't know what the statistics or the stats are, but we might be when it comes to stopping the run or in the pass, we might be damn near at the bottom half of the league, at the bottom half of the league in both of those categories.

But from an offensive standpoint, what you saw from T Higgins today, what you saw from Yoshi, what you saw from, from goddamn Jamar Chase, who's showing you, that's why you pay him. Even if he has two years on his contract, I can take the ball. I can take small smoke screens and take them 77 yards. Yep. I can go deep. I can do everything.

No matter where we at, just put the ball in those hands. Then we get the overtime. When we get to overtime, you have a $250 million fucking quarterback. That's not the time to play conservative you put the ball in your 250 million dollar quarterback's hands and allow him to win you the game when it matters most like you said the game of fall is all about moments in a moment like that in a game that you need to win an important division game, you allow your $250 million quarterback

to earn that goddamn check. Whoa. Hold on. All game. All game. All game, we've been very successful. We're dishing, we're dishing, we're dunking, we're doing everything, but all of a sudden, when it

matters most, everybody's ass got tight. You run the ball three times in a row. Hold on. You run the ball three times in a row hold on now you run the ball three times in a row right and you put the pressure on mcphilson to make it 50 off field goal we could just ran a normal offense you've been running all game that's been working all game open up your playbook you got your quarterback come on now i were hot why are we conservative and we're supposed to be trying to win the game you got your quarterback come on now I was hot why are we conservative and we supposed to be

trying to win the game you're already one in three throw the kitchen sink at them motherfuckers man damn that's how you feel run your offense okay

golly I'm looking at some of the goddamn stats hey touchdown passes Joe Burrow 12 he leading the touchdown passes, Joe Burrow, 12. He's leading the NFL. Passer rating, Joe Burrow, first, 113.8.

He's leading the NFL in completion percentage. Joe Burrow, 72.2%. He's second. Pass charge, 1370. He's third. 40-plus completions, yardage. He's tied for 40 plus completions. Yardage. He's tied for first. So what does that tell you?

What does that tell you just based off the stats and what he's doing at the quarterback position despite it not reflecting what the record may show? When he has the ball in his hands, he's getting it done from a quarterback perspective. It's just not enough because we motherfucking won it for. But again, in overtime, what do we do?

We take the ball out of the man's hands and we give it to the running back. Three times? First down, second down, third down? Are we not trying to win the game? Are we running the ball? Why play conservative in that? Come on, man. At least give us a chance. At least give us a chance. At least give us a chance.

I mean, we paid him that kind of money for a reason. Can I ask you a question? What role did that interception play in the Ravens getting back into this ballgame and getting into overtime? It played a big role. It played a big role.

Are we going to go on for a minute? Listen, when you say something, I'm with you when you're right. I'm with you when you're right. You can't make those kind of mistakes. You can't make those kind of costly mistakes. And the fact that they made that mistake, I think that's another reason

why they took the ball out of his hands and ran the goddamn ball to overtime to make sure the mistake didn't happen again. So I just want to know why Bengal fans mad at me because I point things out. Oh, okay, okay, okay. I just want to know why y'all mad at me. Oh, he got five touchdowns.

Okay, Ocho, you know your defense currently is not playing very good. The last thing you can do is turn that ball over. Right. You can't do that so now keep moving it, keep moving the ball down the field

even if you settle for a field goal now they need a touchdown to beat you as opposed to a field goal to tie you right the five touchdowns, yes he's playing well the difference is are you going to blame Joe Burrow?

Last week, he settled for field goals. He got two field goals before he got those three touchdowns. The Washington Commanders got touchdowns. When he was getting field goals, they were getting touchdowns. That's the difference. They had two double-digit leads

in the fourth quarter. At one point in time, the score was 24-10. 24-14. Let me take that back. 24-14. 24-14. Because the Ravens, it was 14-9. They got a touchdown to what?

Yes, it was 24-14 in the fourth. And Lamar Jackson went into that phone booth, changed into that cape, and became Superman again. At some point in time, Ocho, you can look at the numbers. We used to kill Peyton. Peyton had gaudy numbers every year. And everybody would say, stats are for losers. Because Tom Brady would throw for 200 yards and win the ball game.

Peyton had 300. Peyton would play a team. He'd throw for 300 yards and win the ball game. Peyton have 300. Peyton would play a team. He'd throw for 300, 400 yards. They'd lose. Stats are for losers. But it's funny how it changed if we like somebody. Joe Burrow is a very likable guy. I've met him a couple of times. He's great.

He's a great young man. But at the end of the day, Ocho, you know what it comes down to. You can't make those kinds of mistakes that he made knowing that my defense is not very good currently. Because think about it. If they're going up and down the field driving 70 and 80 yards, what the hell do you think you're going to do if you put them on a short field? They're going to get the ball to the end zone.

They got very conservative. He scared them. Zach Taylor got scared. He turned the ball to end zone. They got very conservative. He scared them. Zach Taylor got scared. He turned the ball over late in the fourth quarter. They tied the ball game. And now, instead of, Ocho, instead of going for it, they pulled the reins back. But you can't do that, though.

No, I agree. Listen, from a coach standpoint, listen, I'm in no position because I ain't no goddamn coach. All I do is play goddamn Madden. But from the outside looking and understanding how we're doing as a team collectively, understand how our defense is not really playing well. No, they're not. They're not playing well. They're not playing well against the run.

They're not playing well against the pass. Who do I put the ball? Who do I put? Joe, put it in his hand. He's your— What is it? Even with the mistake. Even with the mistake of the turnover

in the fourth quarter. You have no choice. There's a reason we paid him the money we paid him. Correct. Because at times like that, in moments like this, when we need a win, you put it in his hands.

The offense has been looking good all goddamn day. Just run your regular offense, huh? You can't pull the reins and then have your ass tight when it matters most because that gets you beat. It does. That got us beat. Even with the pick, we had the opportunity to win the game. I mean, Joe was 30 of 39, 392, five touchdowns.

He normally plays well against the Ravens. I think he has a 500-yard passing day. He has a 400-something-yard passing day. So he normally plays well against the Ravens. I think he has a 500-yard passing day. He has a 400-something-yard passing day. So he normally plays well. But in that situation, in your running game, Ocho, 23 for 71, you really haven't. Now, I'm not saying it's not going to

get better, but as of right now, you haven't replaced Joe Mixon. What he gave you in the run game, you had a couple of false starts that set you back behind the eight ball, kill some of your momentum. But you just got to find a way to win these games. T

and Chase were unbelievable. They had 276 yards combined on 19. They had 16 targets. No, they had 12. 26 targets, 19 catches, 276 and four touchdowns. Well, your star guys,

skilled position players, they did what they were supposed to be. They did what they were supposed to do. They did the thing. Sometimes it comes down to one play, an interception. Now, because you probably, you might have could have run the clock out because the one thing I don't want to have happen with the way I see Lamar Jackson

playing, I don't want to give the ball back, Ocho.ar Jackson playing, I don't want to give him the ball back, Ocho. Oh, no. I don't want to give it back to him. It's the guy, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrell, Patrick Mahomes, guys like that. Okay, hold up. Man, they done came back. They only one score down. We can't give him that ball back.

He going to find a way. Now, first of all, you got that was a face mask on andrews you got face master and the referee standing right the official standing right there side judge and didn't call it he came up off of the fast now i think it was making the tackle huh yeah yeah he was making the tackle andrews is screaming and Andrews got the ball in one hand. He face-masked me. He face-masked me.

But it was a very exciting game. This is what, you know, shootout in the AFC North. We don't normally get games like this. It's normally a black and blue division. It's normally more physical. But when you got these type of quarterbacks, Ocho, and I don't want to pat myself on the back, but what did I tell the Ravens how to use Derrick Henry?

And over time, you tell the people at home in overtime what they did. Either shoot him downhill, shoot him downhill, straight downhill, A-gap, B-gap, or just toss it to him with a full back in front. Put him in the eye. Yeah. Put him in the eye. That's exactly what they did on that goddamn talk sweep. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next.

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listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Derek Henry is a long strider. Yeah. You put him in the offset, he's four yards from the line of scrimmage. He doesn't get a chance to adequately read it. His heels need to be at eight yards.

Put that Ricard, who weighs 300 pounds as a fullback, put him in front of him and say, son, pick your hole. Oh, yeah. And as soon as they put him in the offset the first play, they line his ass up in the second play, off to the races he go. It's not that, and I get it. I get it.

Because Lamar works best with the offset, the zone read scheme. He needs that threat. He needs that threat. He wants that threat. I get it. But to maximize both of them, because with the toss and the fake handoff, when he's in that eye, guys are going to be wide open. Guys are going to be wide open.

But it was Lamar played. Lamar can't play any better than what he played. 26 to 42. 3-48. Four touchdowns. only one sack. And to play that one too likely. Yeah. That was a nice play.

I think the one that he fumbled, Ocho, because the clock was running down. Now, I don't know if he thought they were going to call a timeout or he wanted to get one more look at the defense. Yeah. Because they snapped the ball, and the ball hit him in the chest. In the chest. It went right through his hands a little bit. He wasn't ready, ready.

Maybe he was trying to get one last peek at the defense. Ocho's like, okay, I think that's what they're going to do right here. Or maybe he didn't anticipate it because the last thing you want to do is take a delay a game right there, Ocho. Back yourself up five yards. And it looked like he went in looking to pick it up like he did the likely play earlier

remember he fumbled that one he reached it picked it up that was nice that was nice but they dodged the bullet because uh he probably would have like man he was a problem like that's on me i i gotta i gotta be prepared i'm calling for the snap. I got to be prepared for the snap. But fortunately for them, they dodged a bullet. Lamar outduels Joe Burrow, if you can say that. Joe Burrow, 30 of 39, 392, five touchdowns. The one costly turnover.

They scored 38. Lamar Jackson, 26 of 42. 348, four touchdowns. Clean game. Well, he had the turnover, so I'm sure they're going to attribute that turnover to him. Zay Flowers, 7 for 111. Kohler played well today. Bateman played well today.

Andrews, this is the best Mark Andrews has looked since he returned from that broken ankle, Ocho. Likely is likely. He's going to make his plays. He can start for a lot of different teams. And King Henry. King Henry is King Henry. Damn, man.

Ocho, 11 carries for 30 yards and regulation. What that man supposed to do with that? He's not one of those backs. He's a back that the more you give him the ball, the harder. He's like a diesel engine. The longer he runs, the cooler it gets. So the more you give Derrick Henry the ball, yeah, now I'm starting to get warm.

He don't feel warm until the 15th carry. Yeah. You see what he did in the 15th carry? What did he do in the 15th carry, Ojo? Damn near went to the house. Yeah. Yeah, we played the run really well yeah we played the run really well we played the run really well

I think that's why from a passing standpoint why Lamar looks so good because he actually can he can pass, the fact that you have Derrick Henry it just adds an additional threat to that offense outside of not just Lamar's legs but to his arm

to his arm as well. So, I mean, in no means are they one-dimensional, but Lamar did play a damn near almost perfect game outside of that one fumble, that hit his chest. And actually, we should have, when it comes to us, for some reason, we always bangled. Nah, y'all got one. Remember Huntley?

Remember Huntley in the playoffs? Oh, the guy picking it up. Yeah. He tried to go over the top. It got punched out and you got rated all the way back. So y'all don't know. Yeah, you're right.

Y'all don't normally bunch those. That normally goes to the house. But Gil Lamar, he scrambled around, hit the guy, gave his offensive lineman enough time to get back there and recover and make the tackle because that would have been the ball game because obviously that's overtime. And so a walk-up, any score, ends the ball game. After rushing for 175 yards against the Bengals,

the Ravens have outrushed their opponent by at least 100 yards in all five games this season. That's the longest such streak by any team to start a season since 1933 when yardage was fully tracked. They have now outrushed their opponents by 754

yards. Outrushed them. I ain't say outgained them in total yards. They've outrushed them. I didn't say outgained them in total yards. They outrushed them. Yeah. That's crazy. That would hurt, though.

Man. That would hurt. Hey, Ravens fans, aren't y'all glad Jerry couldn't find no money for King Henry? Damn, man. Hey, at 104, it's never been done before. What? I mean, at 104 it's never been done before what I mean at 104 yeah yeah yeah

do you say playoffs is off the table no no no because they take seven teams listen we got we got the Giants next and we got the Browns now to me and this is no disrespect to those organizations,

what they have going on, the Giants, they won the day against the Seahawks. Went on the road and did it. I'm assuming it's a possible win. The Browns really not playing well, but again, it's a division opponent. You know each other very well, so those games most of the time are close and really aren't blowouts. So I'm, I'm hoping,

you know, those are two wins that we can get and get us to, you know, a better record than we're, than we're at now. Hopefully we're three and four, you know, after,

after, uh, after seven games. So man, it's tough, man. Yeah. Uh,

Oh, Joe, who talks more of trash Bengals players or the fans? Cause remember Brit was talking, Chase said, we, everybody know more of trash, Bengals players or the fans? Because remember, Britt was talking. Chase said, everybody know we're the team to beat. Nobody goes into the season and the AFC thinking the Bengals are the team to beat. Right. Let's take a listen to this video.

Beat your ass tomorrow. What team? What team? What team? It's her fault. What team? It's her fault. What team going to be us?

Today, the bingo. Take a shaker. Take a shaker. See how y'all behave, Ocho? Who that was? I don't know who that was. That's some fan. Now, she's a little tipsy.

Got her hands all on the man. You see how y'all behave? Listen, one thing, you got to believe in your team just like you believe in the Broncos. You going to talk your trash? I ain't going to put my hands all on the players that play for the opposing team. Telling me, yeah, we're going to beat y'all and we're going to beat y'all. Hey, that's...

That's called sportsmanship. That ain't called sportsmanship. That ain't called sportsmanship. Keep your hands to yourself. Huh? Keep your hands to yourself. Damn, that was a good game, man. I'm, what? I was damn mad.

Oh, I get all that. When you going to run me my Hyundai? No. I cash app you right now. I ain't got no cash app. You got cash app, Ash? Ash got it. You got, Ash? Ash got it. You got Zayn?

Jordan got it. Send Jordan the money. We'll give you the money. Jordan, give it to me. All right. I got you. But I knew money out of sight calls a fight.

Every time. Listen, ain't going to be no fighting. I'm saving these hands for one person in particular. You know, a former stealer. Oh, man. I'm waiting on that. Man,

Ocho, man, y'all got to get it together, Ocho. Yeah, man. Hey, listen, I mean, listen, I watch football and I love it

because I'm invested into it as far as, you know, enjoying it. When we ran that ball on first down and then we came back again and ran it on second down,

Yeah. I sat back at my chair and I say, I know we're not doing this. ran that ball on first down and then we came back again and ran it on second down, I sat back at my chair and I said, I know we're not doing this. I know we're not doing this. And making a mistake and putting all the pressure on McPherson to kick a 50-yard field goal. You mean we're not going to run our offense just to make the field goal a little bit more feasible, even though he has a good

leg, he has a strong leg, he's efficient from 50 yards and plus out, why make it that much more difficult for him? And lo and behold... But that wasn't even close, though, Joe. That thing wasn't even close. The placeholder dropped the ball.

He did. Nerve. How you nervous? That's your only... I ain't gonna say nothing. I ain't gonna say nothing. But you right. You right.

No, you say, that's what we gonna do. No, that's what y'all did. Ain't what y'all gonna do. That's what y'all did. Right here. Three straight times. If I...

I'm not a reporter. I'm not a reporter. But from the outside looking in, as a concern, not just former player, but as a concern fan in situations like that, you have to put your trust in your quarterback, even with the mistake that happened in the fourth quarter. You're paying that kind of money for a reason. Yep. Run the office. We've been running the entire game, even in overtime. Even in overtime, you got to put the ball and trust in Joe's hands in that situation.

I guarantee you we come out with that win. Hey, Ravens, y'all want to send me a small donation for recommending how y'all should use Derrick Henry. I accept all. I accept Bitcoins, U.S. regulation coins, pennies, dimes, nickels, quarters, ten of the half dollars, silver dollars, and Susan B. Anthony dollars. So

any denomination will work for me. Ocho, now it's time for our next segment, Gas on Grass, brought to you by our friends at Scott's Lawn Care. Bet you didn't know fall is the perfect time to feed your lawn. Give your lawn a boost with Scott's Turf Builder Winter Guard. Recover from the summer, prep for the winter.

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Lamar Jackson bobbled a snap. He stiff-armed Sam Hubbard, not once, but twice, as he's running, rolling, off-balance, falling out of bounds. He discarded a pass rusher, took a shot to the face, extended a play and threw a touchdown pass to Isaiah Likely. How, Lamar? How? You saw it. You saw it, Jack. Listen, I tweeted it too. I tweeted it too. When the game

was going, I said, well, god damn it. Lamar just won't go away. That young boy is unbelievable. I've been watching Lamar. He was at Boynton Beach High School. I used to go and watch just to see. He was a superstar. He was a superstar back then.

What are you doing in the NFL now? I've been seeing that before he even got to Louisville. He was doing the same thing at Boynton Beach. But he's the real deal, man. I just, man, that hurt, man. We had an opportunity. We had it right here. It was in our hands.

And I was at Twin Peaks. You know, I watched the football game at Twin Peaks because they put on multiple TVs for the 1 o'clock games at once so I can enjoy them, right? There was a table of Ravens fans that sat adjacent to me where I was sitting, you know, about two, three tables over, and every time we made a play, I look on down there.

I look on down there. I ain't talking no trash now. I ain't talking no trash because I ain't want to put my foot in my mouth. And when we covered that fumble, when we covered that fumble in overtime, I told the waitress, I'm like, Miss, you can put this

this Coke with no ice you can give me a to-go cup a styrofoam cup right before they kicked the ball I went over to their section and I sat there and I just smiled

I ain't even saying I just smiled because we finna get this kick and we finna win when that goddamn placeholder bobbled that snap and all them

Raven fans went crazy. I would hurt. Yeah. That hurt. That hurt. Because, you know, the momentum swung. You guys had the momentum

after Lamar Fulmer the ball in overtime. Now you guys got the momentum. Heartbreaker. Moving on. Texans overcome miscues and escape on the last second field goal a 59 yard field goal as time expired beating the buffalo bills 23 to 20 houston got off to a

hard start sprinting to a 14-3 first quarter lead 67 yard bomb from cj stride to nico collins but nico suffered a hamstring injury and missed the rest of the game. Without the big play target, Stroud's offense struggled with consistency for the rest of the game. The offense put up 425 yards, but only nine points in the final three quarters. It says a lot that D'Amico Ryan clubs haven't played a complete game, but it's still 4-1. Sunday marks the worst passing day of Josh Allen's career. He completed nine of 30 passes for 131 yards and a touchdown.

The 30% completion rate was a career low for a star quarterback and the lowest percentage in a game with at least 30 attempts in the past 30 seasons. Allen had never had a sub 40 rate before today. Here's Stefan Diggs on what it meant to get the win over his former team, the Bills. Honestly, it meant a lot to me. Held it in all week, energy-wise. Try not to bring it up too much.

Obviously, we had an interview earlier in the week. I just try to keep it professional. But obviously, in the back of my mind, it meant a lot to me. And I wanted to do more showing than telling. You know, I play with a lot of passion and a lot of love. I can't say I didn't think about this game when I got traded. You know, I wondered if we played them, and then obviously it was on the schedule.

But I take it one game at a time, and I knew when this game came about, I was just trying to take advantage and get a win for my team. But obviously it's emotional. I play with a lot of emotions. I'm emotional. I'm emotional. I play with a lot of emotions. I'm emotional. Josh Allen was god-awful.

Ain't no way, Ocho. Ain't no way around it. If anybody else, if any quarterback, regardless of it being anybody, but anybody have 9 of 30, 131 yards, we rippled. And they had a chance to win. They had a chance. That was in the game, Mocho. Had he done anything, had he done anything, they'd win this game, Mocho.

They got the rush yards, 28 rushes, 150 yards. Check. Check. Wasn't the game out of hand at one point? Wasn't it 24-10? Yeah. Wasn't it 24-10 at one point? Yeah.

And they couldn't get one more field goal or one more touchdown to extend that lead. And again, when it comes to having the right weapons around you, and you don't have to be motherfucking Superman, when you don't have to be Superman, Superman when you don't have to be Superman he has to, Josh Allen has to put his cape on. Josh Allen has to do everything. Oh, we don't need Stefan Diggs.

Again, the numbers look like that for a reason now. It's different when you don't have a reliable target you can go to and count on every time you get under center. Whether you're in shotgun or whether you're under center,

you know what, come hell or high water, who can I count on every time? Who can I bet on every time? If you think about it, Ocho, they lost Gabe Davis and they lost Diggs. They're two starting wide receivers. So basically, the only guy Shakur was the slot guy. He was out.

Yeah. And Keehan Coleman is coming on. Huh? Keehan Coleman, is he coming on? He's not there yet, but he's going to be. He can be that reliable target. He can be that security bank of a Josh Allen with a little bit more consistency. They got to integrate him into the goddamn offense more, man.

You got to integrate him to the offense. I don't know what they're doing over there. But it looked good. It looked good when they started bringing him. They know what they're doing over there. But Josh has to play better. See, the thing is, we don't need him to be

historic, but he can't be historically bad either. Think about how bad he was and they only lost by a walk. They took a 59-yard field goal to beat him. So they have enough talent, don't you? They do. They have enough talent.

But if he plays like that, they're not going to beat anybody. And he can't play like that. He can't. He didn't turn it over. He had some big runs, but you know he got tremendous legs. He's a big man. Once he gets ahead of steam, it's hard to get him down. Yeah.

But they got to be better. They got to be better. It's really that simple. CJ, 28-36, 331, one touchdown, one interception. Cam Akers, 9-42. Ogumbawale was 15-30. Hold on. No, that was in the other game. 42, Ogumbawale was 15 of 30. Hold on.

No, that was in the other game. We'll get to that. CJ had three for 27. But like you said, once Nico went out, now all of a sudden the big plays to be able to push the ball down the field. Now, hey, we're going to let y'all work all that underneath stuff because now here's the thing. Once you get into the red zone, what you going to run out the back of the end zone? It feels getting hard.

It gets condensed and condensed. It gets harder and harder to score. Red zone is not an easy place to score. People are like, oh man, you're in the red zone. Bro, where you going? They know you're not going to run no nine. Where you going to run it? Damn, man. Listen, the Texans pulled it out.

The Texans pulled it out. C.J. Stroud played okay. He played okay. It wasn't a normal game that we used to see from him. I don't like the fact that the offense stalled damn near the entirety of the game after maybe the second or third quarter. They weren't able to put up the points, but they did move the ball just enough to be able to win the game after what maybe maybe the second or third quarter you know they weren't able to put up put up the points but they did move the ball just enough you know to be able to win the game yeah they set up a field goal jojo uh it was what they had 14 points early the first quarter and then they got nine over the last three quarters great yeah but somebody tell nico holla at me the Vikings beat the Jets

in London the Vikings were into their bye week undefeated Sam Donalds 5-0 Ocho do the Vikings

sign him to a long-term deal at a discount or or they wait for JJ to come back whoa hold up wait a minute now

now see this is perfect this is perfect for Sam Donald because you're not you're not putting together this type of season this early whoa whoa hold up wait a minute now now see this is perfect this is perfect for sam donald because you're not you're not putting together this type of season this early to stay with the vikings right oh there there are teams that you are a former former number one pick right if i'm not mistaken huh yeah he's the number three pick in the draft i think oh yeah he's number three behind he was number three baker went first saquon and i think sam donald was number three okay yeah yeah the only problem is

you just went to the wrong team. That's all. The wrong team drafted you. No, it's perfect. You said it earlier. It's perfect because he went to a team and the guy gets hurt. He's not coming back. Now you give me an opportunity, Ocho, to build a perfect portfolio. Okay, okay.

I was going to be able to show you anything because J.J. McCarthy is going to start. So I'm not going to be able to show you anything because J.J. McCarthy is going to start. So I'm not going to be able to show you anything. Guess what I get to do? I get to put together a portfolio over 17 games, potential to playoff. Okay, come get your boy. Yeah, okay, okay. Now I was saying when he got drafted out of USC,

he went to the wrong organization. That's what I'm trying to say. But what he's doing right now is beautiful. What he's doing right now. Listen, when J.J. McCarthy went down, obviously when Kirk Cousins left, I'm like, well, goddamn, who the hell going to get the goddamn ball to J.J.? Who the hell going to get the ball to 18? Okay, they drafted J.J. McCarthy. I'm like, okay, okay.

This is one national championship. When I thought about it, I'm like, but damn, all Michigan did in college, all them boys did was run the goddamn ball. Is he one that can facilitate the ball through the air? I didn't know. I didn't know. He goes out. I'm like, but damn.

Who's up next? Sam Darnold. So I think about Sam Darnold on the 49ers. Ah, didn't look too good. Sam Darnold on the Panthers. Ah, it didn't look too good. Like, okay. Sam Darnold, they got drafted by the New York Jets.

Ah, we know how that worked out after three years. So I didn't know what Sam Darnold got drafted by the New York Jets. We know how that worked out after three years. So I didn't know what Sam Darnold we're going to get. I didn't know the Vikings would be this good. This is the Sam Darnold that's playing with confidence. This is the Sam Darnold that's letting the rest of the NFL know and putting them on notice. Listen, like you said,

I'm putting the portfolio together. I'm putting the resume together. For those of you that need a quarterback after the season was, is over. This is what I can do when I had the right pieces around me. Come and get your boy. That's the thing. Oh,

Joe, if you look at it, he didn't have these pieces. He didn't have a Justin Jefferson. He didn't have an Addison. He didn't have, who do they got now? Hawkinson,

even though he's not there right now. Yeah. Who's the other guy? Uh, month, uh, the tight end caught a couple of passes. They brought in Aaron Jones, who caught a...

Quincy Williams. But at the end of the day, Aaron Rodgers needs to play better. Yeah. He threw three interceptions. There haven't been very many defenses in the history. I mean, you got to be a historic defense to overcome three turnovers. Because what you do, someone might be a pick six, which one was. You put them on a short field.

And so now they're scoring basically on your possessions. Make them score on theirs. I'm not going to give you ish on my possessions. And he threw three interceptions, including two in the first quarter, a career first, included a pick six, putting the Jets up 17 to nothing, and then the Jets are two and three for the first time in Aaron Rodgers, under 500 through five starts of 2012. Quincy Williams, Jets linebacker, was ticked off after the loss.

Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Oh, I didn't hear this. Like I said, people got to start taking accountability, bro. People get tired of hearing the same thing every week. For you, what do you need to work on? I'm tired of saying the same thing every week. For me, I need to start working on being a leader more. That's the main thing.

Accountability. Yeah. Aaron didn't play good. Those interceptions was terrible. Why would you throw on a, okay, you're trying to throw a back shoulder fade. How you gonna throw a back shoulder fade that far inside, Ocho?

That's stuff that you work on in minicamp. I'm sorry, Ocho, I shouldn't have went there. My bad. Ocho, that's me. That's on me, Ocho. Take off. You notice, I have a question. Hey, chat, listen to me.

Think about the Aaron Rodgers at Green Bay. Think about the Aaron Rodgers at Green Bay. Think about the Aaron Rodgers at Green Bay and the back shoulder fades that he continues to hit over and over and over and over, whether it be Devontae Adams. Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, Donald Driver. Do I need to go on? It worked consistently over and over and over and over and over.

Now, with Garrett Wilson, now with Adel Lazard, the chemistry ain't there. Mike Williams? It ain't there. Mike Williams, the chemistry ain't there. I haven't seen him hit the back shoulder fade with the back shoulder. I haven't seen it work yet. And it's a huge chunk play that gives the DB no chance

to make a play on the ball. I haven't seen it work yet. I've seen it skip the ground. I've seen it hit the ground. I've seen it be too far right. I've seen it be too far left. And he missed Gary Wilson on the throw that would have won the game,

probably. Remember? When Gary Wilson stopped and then wheeled up the sideline and he overshot him. Overshot him. Yeah. But things like that,

but you know, don't worry about it. He don't have to, he got four MVPs. That's what the fans tell me. He don't need to work on it. So, okay.

Don't work on it. You don't, you've never, you've never thrown one ball to those guys. I mean, you did in camp, but Garrett Wilson, and you see a lot of times

in training camp, they was on the sideline having a discussion. Garrett Wilson's like, okay, where you want me? I want you here, but I want it over there. So those are things that you work on. Mike Williams had no chance. That ball was so far inside that

the DB, I mean, think about how far it was inside because the DB is on his inside shoulder. That's why the back shoulder works because he's inside. So when the wide receiver opens up, it's on his back shoulder. There's nothing because I got your pin here. You already here. So when I open up and do that, now I got your pin here.

Yeah, that was a good play. That was a good play by, that was at the end, right? When Gilmore picked it off? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was good. But uh that was at the end right but gilmore picked it off yeah yeah yeah that was but that's what that's but that's what needs to happen you i gotta listen the thing is is that what rogers need to understand they can't run the football elite so it puts an immense amount of pressure on them to be great in the passing game right now they haven't found a chemistry i mean this was garrett was Garrett Wilson's best day.

He had 13 for a buckle one. Ocho, he had 22 targets. I've never heard somebody have it. Okay, let me take that back. When T.O. caught 20 passes, obviously he had to have 20-plus targets. When Brandon Marshall broke T.O.'s record, he had to have at least 20 targets. But do you understand, Chad, do y'all understand how many 22 targets is that's a lot boy man i might go five i might go five games and i get 22 targets yeah

he got 20 21 games they tried to get him that ball today they tried to give him that ball today and get him rolling and try to get him in that ball and get him rolling today it just i don't i don't know i don't know listen whenever you have a quarterback like aaron rogers you have a chance it gives you a chance because of experience and what he's able to do with the ball in his hands but when it's good it's really good when it's bad, not with 14 rushing for 36 yards. I don't believe at this stage of his career, he can consistently win games throwing the football like he's throwing it today. 54 champs.

Hell no. I don't buy it. DJ, you got to put that in your back pocket, though. You almost threw it back to Sauce Gardner you remember that outriding ran Ocho late in the ball game he almost threw it back into Sauce's hands

got to put that one in your back pocket that's why you the highest paid that's why they look think about it Ocho they was just looking for him on that last they was just looking for him they ain't throwing the ball nope him you that's why they look at the thing about Ocho. They were just looking for him on that last, on that last, they were just looking for him. Yeah. They ain't thought about him.

You, we pay you 35 million. Go get it, bro. Go get it. Got to put that in your back pocket, JJ, but good game.

Overall, Nick Mullins came in. Oh, so he came in and threw one after Sam Donald got hurt. But what's the extent of Sam Donald injury? Is it bad bad well they're on a bye week so he has an extra week to recover i don't know okay um but the jets they're not good enough to overcome the kind of play that aaron rogers what's the difference between what he did and sam donald what's the difference between zach wilson and him he just got he just got more distinguished.

He's just more credentialed. That's the kind of play that Zach Wilson gave you. Three interceptions. Defense, they're not good defense. They're not historically good. They're good defense.

They're solid. They're good defense. They're solid. Solid. They're not boy, man, Ocho, man, we got our work cut out for us. They ain't that kind of defense. Man, we got our work cut out for us. They Ocho. I don't know how we gonna... They're not that. They're not the

70 Steelers, 85, 86 Bears. They're not 2000 Ravens, 02 Bucks, the Legion of Boom. They're not 2,000 Ravens, 0-2 Bucks, the Legion of Boom. They're not that. They're a good, solid defense. In today's game, they're a solid defense. Nothing, they, like I said,

Ocho, I don't know how you feel about this one, Ocho. They don't get that kind of response. Mm-hmm. They're nice. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Minnesota 5-0, Jets fall to 2-3. Who do Jets play next week? Jets got the Bills next week. Well, y'all, y'all, they were talking about y'all never threw just one interception bro y'all the same record y'all were last year with Zach Wilson

y'all just got y'all just got a nicer car that you can't drive what's the difference oh so y'all happy y'all got a quarterback that's distinguished that's credentialed but your record says the same

I'm confused oh taking a pretty lady out and she ain't gonna do nothing you know what I'm saying what is that don't you you say taking out

and she ain't gonna do nothing yeah bought a card bought flowers took her to the movie got a fancy dinner and she said't gonna do nothing. Yeah, he done bought a car, bought flowers, took her to the movie, got a fancy dinner. And she's like, I'm ready to go home. And not with you.

What is that? They gotta get this turned around. Hold on. Y'all a Jazz fan. Y'all brought Aaron Rodgers in to be two and three and five games in? Is that what y'all brought him in there for? I just want to know. Y'all brought Aaron Rodgers in to be two and three and five games in? Is that what y'all brought him in there for? I just want to know. Y'all just let me know.

So, okay. Fine. If that's what y'all brought him in there for, okay. Aaron won those MVPs in Green Bay. Did y'all hear Tom Brady? Tom Brady said when he went to Tampa, this is what Brady said. I said the same thing on air because I had done it before Tom. I was a back-to-back Super Bowl, four first-team All-Pros,

seven straight Pro Bowls. What did I got to do with Baltimore? I didn't do none of that for Baltimore. Tom says what I had done in New England, that ain't got nothing to do with Tampa. I wasn't going New England that ain't got nothing to do with Tampa. I wasn't going there riding that. But I know somebody that is. But we're going to move it along, Ojo. We're going to move

it along. We're going to move it along. The commanders beat the Browns 34-13. Washington might have the NFL's best offense. No team has been as high-powered as the commanders over the past four games. During that stretch, the commanders are averaging 34 points a game,

409 yards. Washington is now averaging 31 points for the season. Jayden Daniels, clearly in the MVP race, can't hurt teams even when he's struggling. He did not have his best game, 238 yards passing,

but he ran for 82 more. Oh, Joe, the Washington has amassed 298 of his 434 total yards on just eight plays. The offense hurt Cleveland all game long with explosive plays. The commanders are the first team since

1970 merger to score 150 plus points in the first five games of the season while starting a rookie quarterback. It's amazing. It's amazing how a franchise turns completely around when you get a quarterback. It's amazing how you look.

The commanders were four and 12 last year. Yeah. And as well, four and 12 last year, you get a quarterback not just any quarterback a very very good quarterback you get a ten year

franchise changing quarterback and this is what you get yep this is why you pay them the big bucks this is why you invest in them this is why you go back

and you talk to the elementary teachers before you draft before you draft from number one and number two overall yeah this is why you go back and you talk to the elementary teachers before you draft them number one and number two overall. Yeah. This is what you get. You get an adequate quarterback, a dual threat quarterback who is by way before anybody tries to say he's a running quarterback. No, he's a pass first quarterback.

And he only runs if he has no other choice. Then he's accurate, huh? Oh, yeah. Today wasn't it, but he was throwing some high risk stuff. He was throwing the ball down the field. Oh, yeah. He was letting it rip now. He was letting it rip.

Gunslinger. You know what? McLaurin died there somewhere. That homie Brown, he down there somewhere. They got me. Yeah. I'm going to ride

that wave with him too. Oh, shit. They can run the football, Ocho. 34 rushes, 215 yards. Jay Daniel, 11 for 82. Austin Ecklund, 6 for 67. McNichols, 7 for 44. Okay.

Okay. That'll work. Now, oh, y'all got to stop the run. Now I'm going to play after you. Give Cliff Kingsbury his credit. He didn't have his finest showing as a head coach, but there's no denying

this man's offensive brilliance and his ability to be on the same wavelength as his quarterback. Give DQ Dan Quinn this quarterback. I need somebody that can

work with a quarterback that has these kind of legs, the zone read, that's collegey, and we can work this stuff and integrate into an NFL system and be successful. I know a guy and that mofo out of work. Hey, Cleo, you want a job?

Hmm. One thing about it, you know, the most important thing you can do if you're taking a quarterback high is to get somebody that can work with it. That is the most important thing. You get a defensive guy, then they hire another. They got somebody that's not good that can work with his skill set because all quarterback. I mean, I wouldn't hire somebody to coach Peyton Manning like I would Jayden Daniels.

I'm just not. I'm not going to hire somebody to coach Tom Brady like I would Caleb Williams. I'm just not. They have two different skill sets. Completely. But, man, that young man dealing. Ocho. Well, you done took your glasses off.

What? You alright? Ocho, I don't know what to say about Deshaun, bro. I'm running out of words, Ocho. Well, you done took your glasses off. What? You all right? Ocho, I don't know what to say about Deshaun, bro. I'm running out of words, Ocho. At some point in time, Ocho, this got to stop now. Cleveland has the top more than 18 points in the game this season. The Browns in a weak five with the worst third down offense in the NFL.

And they failed. They failed to convert all 12 of their third down attempts today with Deshaun in the game. Ocho, at some point in time, Ocho. Hey, I got a question. Listen, what's the issue? What's the issue?

Is it mental? Is it the play calling? I mean, what do you think it is and i'm confused huh i've been watching football for a long time for a very long time and in the nosedive in the nosedive that that i've seen from a personal standpoint of arguably maybe a top three quarterback when he was with with the te to what the version of Deshaun Jackson, the version of Deshaun Watson I'm seeing now. He's not even close to himself.

How? In such a short amount of time. Barring an injury? How? The only time, Ojo, I can say I've seen this kind of drop off from any kind of player. This fast? Hold on.

It's through injury. Injury. If you have a significant injury, that would explain it. I could offer you, Ocho, man, you know the man tore his patella tendon. Ocho, you know the man tore his Achilles. He had back-to-back ACL surgery. Ocho, he almost had his shoulder ripped off the bone. So that would explain

the cataclysmic drop in his play. But I don't see an injury that would cause it. This is up here. Yeah, it's mental. It's mental, huh? Listen, do you know how hard that is to get back, especially

at that position? Yes, because everything becomes mental. Hey, listen if if you messed up mentally here and at the quarterback position you got the ball in your hands every time so your judgment and your mind it already got to be clear because if you judgment in your mind and you're not healthy as well on top of that you'll never be you'll never be able to play well you'll never be able to play well. You'll never be able to excel with that position. I was thinking about it. I'm looking at it early today.

Well, goddamn, I'm looking at, well, damn, the Browns, got Amari Cooper, you got Nick Chubb coming back soon, I think maybe two weeks, maybe one more. And Joku. Elijah Moore. Elijah Moore.

Elijah Moore. You bought him a young bull. Damn. Why am I going blank right now? You bought him a young bull, Jerry Judy. I'm like, okay, we good. We good. I'm talking about we good.

I'm just saying as a fan as a fan of Deshaun Watson as a fan of some of these young bulls over there that I enjoy watching I'm like okay

they gonna compete they gonna compete they gonna have a chance you know in the AFC North and it's just it's not what I envision based on what I've seen in the past

and I really can't put my hands on it on why they look the way they do. Ocho, he don't even move the same. He don't look the same in the pocket. And I think, you know, look, I'm not here to try to rehash and rethink anything, but I think that weighed a lot on his mind.

Yeah. I think it weighed a hell of a lot on his mind. Yeah. I think it weighed a hell of a lot on his mind. And he hasn't been the same. And I think everybody knows that. I'm not breaking. Ocho, you and I are not breaking news. No, no, no, no. Everybody knows.

I saw the guy. His last year starting in Houston, he led the NFL in passing yards. He did that. I'm not so sure Deshaun, he's a 28, 29, 30, 31st, 32nd. He's a bottom five quarterback currently. Look at Joe Flacco and Indy. Look at what Joe Flacco did in Cleveland Joe Flacco

Joe Flacco is if I'm not mistaken I think I read this is eight days younger than Anthony Richardson hey Joe Joe yes

yes because I think sometimes Ocho when you have Hey, Joe, Joe, Joe. Oh, yes. Yes. It's because I think sometimes, Ocho, when you have. An image. Yeah. And. And then all of a sudden that image is not what was being portrayed. Mm hmm. is not what was being portrayed. Mm-hmm. And people start to like,

you start to think, how do they look at me now? How do they perceive me? And that plays with you because you're out in the public. Yeah. It's, if somebody, I would have been, so I'd have lost a lot of money, Ocho, if somebody would I would have bet

so I'd have lost a lot of money, Ocho, if somebody would have said, Shannon, he's never going to be the same again. I said, man, you out your mind. I said, hold on, hold on, hold on. I bet. I'm like, hold on. Is he going to have, Shannon, he's not going to have a career-threatening injury. He's not going to have anything. Nope.

He's just not going to be the same. I said, bet. I would have bet it with the quickness too. I know what I've seen from him. I know what I've seen. I've just never seen a performance decline in such a fast rate.

Especially when you have a better supporting cast than what you had in Houston. And he's young. Ocho, it wasn't like he's 30. Deshaun is 30. Is he 30? He came because he came out. He's 29. He just turned 29, Ocho.

I got a better question for you. How do we get him back to the old Deshaun? How do we fix the problem? Let me ask you a question. How do we get him back to the old Deshaun? How do we fix the problem? Let me ask you a question. How do we fix the issues? In professional sports, when have you seen a guy have this kind of precipitous drop and bounce back up? Name the sport.

Football, basketball, baseball? Football. basketball baseball ain't never happened huh it's hard Ocho because so much of sports is physical yes we've seen guys that had talent but if you're weak minded mentally that's where you have

to be the strongest. Yeah. What do they say the best athletes have, what, the strongest mentality? Yeah. Because that's everything. You have to have a self-belief that I'm the baddest mofo on this field, this court, this diamond, this whatever the case may be, whatever your avenue, this court, Serena, whatever

your arena is, you have the mindset that I'm the baddest mofo here. Right. Because a lot... Bro, Tom Brady ain't the most talented quarterback. Not even close.

He might not be in the he might not be in the top one as far as talent i'm talking about physical talent you know what i'm saying yeah i'm talking about ability to run jump uh uh arm strength but that joke of mine that's that's where they beat you at him and payton drew breeze that's where they beat you at. Him and Peyton. Drew Brees. That's where they beat you at, huh? They beat you upstairs. All that coach speak to Tom. Oh, man, that's a great. Tom, listen.

And I just tell people, how do you know? I said, I'm telling you how they think. Let me tell you, we did a lot of this, too. They're going to tell you what a great team that is. And they're really, really tough. They're really disciplined. They're really well coached. But in that closed door behind that meeting, Belichick is telling me we're going to kick their ass. And Tom Brady is in that meeting telling them at practice, we're going to kick their ass.

They don't deserve to be on the field. But we're going to keep hyping them up. He actually believed that. And what great leaders can do, they can convince others around them to believe just like they are. Right. They believe just what Tom was so great and so believable. Mm-hmm. Guys, we're going to do this.

We're going to do this. Man, hear what Tom said? Man, we're down 14. Tom said we're coming back. Yeah, we're coming back. Yeah, we're coming back. Uh-huh. That's how it works. I don't think Deshaun, I don't think is what happened.

Same thing. Look at Ben Simmons. Look at Ben Simmons in basketball, Locho. Oh. All defensive. All star. All NBA. Rookie of the year.

Yeah, he got hurt. But his mentality was, is that what happened in Philly. Y'all remember, I said it. I said, he's never going to be the same. His coach criticized him, and the best player on the team criticized him. I said, it's over. I said, he's done in Philly. But stuff like that shouldn't break you.

That's motivating right there. Ocho, but you have to understand. That's motivating. I ain't what? I'm who? I'm what? Let me ask you a question. Okay.

Okay, bet. It's fourth and five. They call a play for you. You say, hey. Hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. What down? What down it is? It's fourth and five. Okay, okay. No, we're in the huddle. No, they call the play. All right, call the play, call the play. Let's say we're going to call 200 jet X land. That's you. You can X. No, no, but

this is what you do. You done lost your confidence so bad, you're like Carson, throw TJ the ball. Oh, hell nah. You got hell nah. You got me, boy. Boy, fourth and five? And you know it's four down,

and they finna play man to man? You remember that game when they played Atlanta? They passed Ben Simmons the ball, and Ben Simmons passed it. He right there for it. Hey, when he had the layup and he passed it off, I remember the play exactly. See? Now you see what I'm talking about.

I remember that. I remember that. But hold on. Wait. He lost his confidence that bad to where he didn't just want to make a layup? Yes, because he didn't want to run the risk of getting fouled and have to go to the free throw line.

He likes Shaq at the free throw line a little bit. See, here's the thing. I can teach you to swim if you're not afraid of the water. If you're afraid of water, I can't teach you how to swim. Damn, man. That's the thing. If you're afraid of water, I can't teach you how to swim. Right.

Damn, man. So that's the thing. Look, in baseball, Chuck Knobloch, he couldn't throw the ball. He was second baseman. He couldn't throw it to first base. Steve Sacks ran into a little problem like that. Ian Baker-Finch, they had the yips. David Duvall, they were never the same.

They were never the same they were never the same damn they got the yips and chuck knoblock uh uh what was the uh the pitcher for the cardinals they ended up having uh uh what's his name remember the picture from the car they end up moving him to the outfield he was a pitcher he lost his confidence he couldn't find the plate they end up moving him to Rick Ankeel I think that's who it was wasn't he a pitcher yes Rick Ankeel happen man lose your confidence Ocho because this sports

is everything that's all we got yeah you need to have some level of talent. Now, the guys that have the talent and they have the mindset. Now, you get a Michael. You get a Kobe. You get a LeBron. You get a Magic Johnson. You get Jerry Rice's and the Randy Moss's and the Terrell Owens.

You get the Reggie White's and the Lawrence Taylor's and the Deion Sanders. That's what you get. You get guys like that. Oh, yeah. You get a dude who changed his goddamn last name to a number that don't make no goddamn sense. Put on his goddamn. Hey, you know, the type of, Hey, when you sit back and think about it, how crazy that is, the type of confidence I had on. Yeah.

Now I'm, I would never put myself in a tier where Randy and Tio them, you know, I am. I was more to me. I was about entertainment and having fun. That's it. But you know how nutty and crazy and confident you have to be for me to go to the courthouse to tell a judge, I'm going to pay this money because I want to change my name to a number that resonates with my jersey. But not only is the name spelled wrong, that's nutty. But that ain't no confidence. Yeah.

I believe in me. You get, I mean, you get a Megatron. A guy that's extreme. Look at that. Look at that. I mean, the guy that's six foot five, 235, 240, running 4'3". 4'3".

So when you get that you get the perfect storm but and Stefanski the head coach of the Cleveland Browns says we're staying with Deshaun I mean he has to say that what can you say especially when you have so you're paying a quarterback that kind of

money who has a guaranteed contract what 230 220 whatever you got to. Yeah, I agree. Ocho, before we get to the next game, I want to recognize our first tour sponsor, Olipop. Ali.

You got one too? No, no, no, no, no, no. See, I didn't drink all mine. It's a new kind of soda. Tastes great. High five. Probably grab the sugar. Hold on, hold on.

Hey, do me a favor. Do me a favor for the chat real quick. See if you can, you know, hey, see if you can chug it all in one, in one walk, and we're going to chill you on. No. Go.

Because I got to go to bed. I'll be up all night peeing. I got the bladder of a 90-year-old. Oh, no, I'm done right now. That's all. Man, I ain't going to be able to sleep. First of all, drinking this, I need to stop drinking tea because I'll be up all night going to the bathroom.

I need to get me a slop jar and put it inside the bed. Anybody don't know, growing up in the 40s, 50s, and 60s, they had outhouses, but they called them night pots or slop jars. They put them inside the bed and they would pee or poop in them, and then they'd take them out the next morning. So they had to get up? Yeah,

because hell no. You don't want to go to the outhouse in the middle of the night. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we hit the woods. That's what that was. But this is my favorite. If you notice, Ojo, I'm really a ginger ale guy. And once they told him, you know, we was talking to him and they was like, I was like, you got ginger ale?

They was like, yeah, as a matter of fact, we do. I said, well, let your boy get some of that ginger ale because I F with ginger ale. But nah, I'm done. That's all I can drink for the night, man. First of all, I got to get up in about five and a half hours anyway. You got to get up in about five and a half hours anyway. You got to get up in five hours.

Yeah, I got first take in the morning. Matter of fact, you used to go out first take. I got a flight. I got a beat that they say another hurricane is coming. Yeah. So I got to leave two days early to make sure I don't get stuck here. So I'm already on up in the Midwest a little bit so I can get to and from work. And I'm hoping, I'm hoping to turn, I'm hoping it curve or whatever, but we just,

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