Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Dan Campbell impressive, Bill Belichick UNC interview, Tom Brady hypocrite

Episode Date: December 6, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson are impressed with Dan Campbell, Jared Goff and the Detroit Lions moving to 12-1 after beating division rivals Jordan Love and the Green Bay Packers on Thursday Night Football. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Bill Belichick interviewing with the University of North Carolina Tar Heels football team for their head coaching position, Unc calls Brady a hypocrite for saying the NFL should penalize late slides and much more!03:55 - Show start07:00 - Packers v Lions20:15 - Dak defended Mike McCarthy23:10 - Bears should discuss trade with Shanahan25:20 - Belichick interviews with UNC34:05 - Former players chiming in on Azer hit43:43 - Aaron Rodgers says he has nothing to prove48:50 - Jamarr Chase’s dad says he could still win the SB with that offense56:10 - NFL will fine 15k if players post their drug test requests on social media(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's going to be a problem. They're a really good football team. Detroit is just a better team. But this was a very good game. This was one of the most exciting Thursday night games that I can remember because back and forth we went. A lot of offense, and I know people like to see offense at home, but the Lions prevailed 34-31.

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Right there. It is. In case you guys can't read that chicken chicken scratch he write like he's in third grade it's n s f w n s f w so all right let's get right into the game as i mentioned earlier the detroit lions moved to 12 and 1 34 green Bay Packers fall to 9-4. 31. So the Lions win 34-31 over division rival the Green Bay Packers. The 11th straight win.

Jared Goff had another efficient game. He was 32-41. 283. Three touchdowns. One interception. He was sacked once. He threw the ball to seven different receivers six different receivers caught a pass uh he was 32 completions 283 yards three touchdowns played very very well

um they didn't run the ball great tonight but they ran the ball well enough because now play action is set up off of the running game and you saw a lot of those crossing routes, a lot of the out-route throws because the play action is so good because they can run it and Green Bay had to honor that Ocho. Guys were wide open. But I was very impressed with Green Bay because they could have easily run in the head but give them credit. They came out

forced the turnover right away and even took the lead and they went back and forth back and forth, back and forth. But the play of the game was when Detroit stopped them from getting into the end zone. And they only could tie. It had been very interesting to see. I still believe that Detroit was going to go down and get a touchdown,

even if they needed it. Because they matched the intensity. Once Green Bay took the lead, now they went down and got touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. And they're going for it on fourth down and picking up every time. But I like what I saw from the Detroit Lions. They've been very, very impressive. I think they're the best team in football right now.

Followed closely by the Philadelphia Eagles. Ocho, what did you like about what you saw from this ballgame? Listen, forget the ballgame in general. I like what I saw from Dan Campbell. I like what I saw from Dan Campbell. When you talk about having cojones, when you talk about having testiclesones, when you talk about having testicles the size of a

goddamn Tyrannosaurus Rex, that's Dan Campbell. The fact that he changed the entire culture over there to a winning culture and he believed... When you have a coach like that, Unc, man, that's willing to go for it on four down, you know what that's telling your players?

I believe in y'all. I believe in you. I believe in you. So that energy, I mean, to play for somebody like Dan Campbell, who's also, who's the players coach, who also played in the NFL,

has to be one of the greatest feelings for that organization and those players in general. Because stuff like that, it makes you want to run through a wall for a person. It makes you want to run through a wall for a coach like that, who only, who coaches like that, it makes you want to run through a wall for a person. It makes you want to run through a wall for a coach like that, who coaches like that.

Not only that he doesn't play conservative, he's playing balls to the wall regardless of scenario, regardless of circumstance, and it's dope. And I think that's one of the reasons why they are 12-1. Yeah, he's constantly peddling to the metal. He's constantly putting pressure. Not only does he put pressure on his offense, I mean on the opposing defense, he's putting pressure on his defense also.

Because sometimes situations you probably could get those guys, the opposing team to football at midfield or maybe even in your territory. But he just has that much confidence in his team. He said, offense, I have the utmost confidence in his team he said offense i have the utmost confidence in you that you're going to get this and if you don't defense i have the utmost confidence that you're not going to give up a touchdown and you're going to hold it you're going to hold him at worst case scenario you're going to give him three points or we're going to get the football back with no damage done and so that that sends a message you're absolutely right

ocho that resonates with his ball club. And you hear the guys, the way they talk about Dan Campbell, they absolutely 1000% believe in him. Uh, he the de facto leader. And I love the fact don't one voice, one sound. Hey,

Hey, Cowboy fans. Y'all would love to have that. Wouldn't you? One voice, one sound, Mike Tomlin, one voice,

one sound, uh, uh, Kansas city, one voice, one sound. Kansas City, one voice, one sound. That's what you do. That's the heartbeat. And you notice the difference of all the teams that you just named? Yeah, they win it.

You notice what they're able to do consistently year in and year out? Win. All right. It ain't rocket science. And the coach. And the coach voice. The coach is the end all be all but when you got people you know you got people that want to be all in your video

all of you know dancing and shine trying to shine and trying to steal everybody else thunder this is what you get this is exactly what you get hey even uh yeah philly here siriana you might not like some of the things he say and you know he might be getting into it with the fans, but you don't hear Harry Roseman. You don't hear Jeffrey Lurie. You go to Buffalo. You don't hear the Pagoulas talking. No, you hit

McDermott. That's it. That's it. And that's how it should be. One band, one sound. That's the way it should be. Jordan Love finished 12 of 20. Only got 20 passes. 206 yards of touchdown to Tucker Crabb. Josh Jacobs had a monster

game. He didn't rush for a ton of yards, Ocho, but he got the ball into the end zone three times. That's the one thing that he can do that he has a sense for getting the ball into the end zone. He's going to find a way to slither his way. He'll power his way because he can run with power. He can run with finesse. has great hands uh he's yes he's really good but i was really impressed

with the uh the packers uh that was a short week and you have to travel and both teams you're not doing you're not doing basically it's a whole lot of walkthroughs and a whole lot of film study your body's not really fully recovered yet and i'm surprised more people don't get injured oh joe because you have such a short week you play on sunday and then guess what monday tuesday you gotta travel wednesday and then you playing normally hell i didn't start to feel good once i got it like year seven year eight hell i didn't start feeling good till friday you know the funny thing i think about it too and the fact that even on these short weeks you know from a 30 to a to a sunday or sunday to a thursday i think about the fact that we in week 13 we're in week 12 so the body should be adjusted and enough enough wear and tear has been built up to this point

to where you should be able to adjust to it even though it's a short week you adjusted them legs bad i'll be woke but i bet i'll be wanting massages and cold tub but uh like but and the thing is ocho is that like you said you're not out there running basically it's a lot of walkthroughs it's a lot of film study you're running plays that you're very very comfortable with uh you know what you know i look we're in the same division and these coaches have been in play for an extended period of time we know what you do you know what we do okay let's see who can x out execute the other part of the other team by doing what we do we believe we can do what we do better than what you can do

right that's what it come down to uh they made they got a turnover uh one turn up one two turnovers detroit got one and green Bay got one because Kristen Watson, former football and Detroit went ahead and took that in and then golf through an interception. And then the Packers go right down the field and score. But this was a very good game. Detroit's Detroit's really good, man. Yeah, very, really good.

But I'm still as good as they are. Ocho after watching the Eagles. Yeah, very good. But I'm still as good as they are. Ocho after watching the Eagles. Yeah, he was right there. There ain't much separation between them and the Eagles. Yeah, and that's on both sides of the ball too. That's on both sides of the ball. Listen, the Lions got got Gibbs and Montgomery

but Saquon is able to to do the exact same thing. And well, I like gang. Well, again, gang, gang, gang. Well, it's nice to and plus let me cut. Let me say this right here. And Gainwell. I like Gainwell. Gainwell is nice too. And plus, let me cut, let me say this right here. And you got Jalen Hurts.

Yeah. Yeah. Golf doesn't add anything to the running game like Hurts add to the Eagles running game. You have Gildia, you have Knuckles and Sonics or whatever they call themselves,

but that's where it stops because you get nothing out of the quarterback. Right. I think, I think, you know what for what they lack in quarterback play from a dual quarterback standpoint with golf being a strictly a drop back passer they make up for it the wide receiver position though yes they make

up for it and that's not taking anything away from davante smith and uh and goddamn aj brown yeah but then And then both defenses are really good. Now, the second level for the Lions is a little off. It's a little off. Too many passing affairs, too many holding, though, Joe. Too many who?

Too many passing affairs, too many holdings. They lead the league in V.I. Carry on. Carry on. Joseph, you know, come on, bro. Yeah, they got to work on that. They have to learn to be patient. They got to learn to be patient and use their eyes a little bit more. Keep yourself in position.

You keep yourself in position to make a play, trying to keep the receiver always either in front of you or staying on top of him. Right. You'll always be in a safe spot. And be able to get your eyes around without panicking anytime you panic first thing you do is you pull you pull your tug and i'm afraid what's going to happen with you i can see this happening they got to have to be careful because you're going to get in a situation where it's late in the ball game

and you're going to do what you've always done, which is tug, and everybody is going to say, you wait now to throw it when it's an obvious P.I. I don't know what Arnold is doing. I mean, he gets at least one a game. And sometimes they decline him for the simple fact the guy didn't make the catch. But he's going to have to be better in

that area. But Detroit's really, really good. Z'Darrius Smith has another sack. He's playing extremely well. But I like what I see from Detroit. I like what I saw from Detroit. Now you get 10 days. You get some time off, Ocho.

You got Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Coach Campbell probably not going to want to see the guys until at least noon on Monday. You come in, get your run, get your lift in, you know, try to get some of that sword inside. I mean, hey, some people might go out of town, but I was going to go in and get me a run in. I'm not going nowhere.

I'm going to go get my run in. Matter of fact, knowing Dan, being that he's a player's coach and they're playing so well, being 12-1, he probably going to let them boys go. Yeah. Man, y'all get away from here. Get off your feet. Get away from footballall get away from here get off your feet get away from football get away from football for a few days and when you come back be ready to go well damn

if they get if they get friday saturday sunday they ain't enough time i mean i mean three days after 13 weeks i mean you know you know they just had a bye yeah but listen thanksgiving listen the real football doesn't start until after Thanksgiving. So right now, to beat, they want to know. Hold on, Ocho. They got a full week because they played on Thanksgiving. So they got a normal, it's a normal week for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right.

So guess what? So they got an opportunity, Ocho, to have Friday, Saturday, Sunday off last week. Then they come Monday, Tuesday, travel Wednesday, boom. They should be good. Now, they probably was hurting to play Sunday, and then

you got Thanksgiving Day. Now you got a whole week in between. But I'm sure Coach Campbell, I don't know what his strategy is. He might say, hey, I'll see y'all Wednesday. Come in tomorrow, get you a run, get you a lift, get some

soreness out, and I'll see you guys on Wednesday and see you guys Wednesday morning bright and early. That could be the approach that he takes. But this was a very good game, very interesting game. Two teams, both teams in the same conference, 12 and one,

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Dak thinks McCarthy deserves another contract. He also said he would help McCarthy if he had more influence on the team's development. But McCarthy said he's confused by Dak comments. According to Clarence Hill, the Cowboys, Cowboys coach McCartney, said he had the most input he's ever had as head coach. Oh, Lord have mercy. Coach compared to Green Bay. He is not sure what Dak meant by needing him influence on his terms.

We know Mike McCarthy does not have. Thank you. He's a head coach and title only. Listen, you just... I'm saying it in a disrespectful way. For those that understand the game of football, for those who know about when it comes to being the coach of the Dallas

Cowboys organization with their star on the helmet, there's one person that runs the show and it's not the head coach. And it's always, it's always been that way. You have no pool. You know exactly what Dak meant by the words that he said. Yes. And I'm not,

I'm taking Dak. What'd he say with a grain of salt? Because guess what? He said he wanted Scott Linehan. He said he wanted Kelly, Kelly Moore. He said he wanted Jason Garrett. He said he wanted this one and he wanted that one so what's he supposed to say nah i want mike mccall i want

another head coach i want another play caller of course he's gonna say all the right things because if you go back and check his track track record oh joke he said the exact same thing about every offensive coordinator about every head coach that he's had. I mean, you have to. You have to. He has to be PC. He's a quarterback. He's the face of the franchise, no matter what.

So he has to say all the right things. It's not like he's going to come out and go against, you know, his head coach. I mean, come on, Mike. No, it shouldn't, but I'm saying, for him to say, Mike, let me ask you a question. Do you have any say on the Final 53?

Nope. Do you have any say in free agency? Do you have any say on the final 53? Nope. Do you have any say in free agency? Do you have any say in the draft? Nope. So if that's the case, so I'm just trying to figure out what do you mean you have some say? Wait, didn't he say he had more say,

more control and more say than he had in Green Bay? Yeah, I disagree. Maybe, maybe, Ocho, maybe at the end, maybe at the end, he didn't have the same amount of say, but it's hard for me to believe

throughout his entire tenure that he had more say in Dallas than he had in Green Bay. You know what that get, right? Child. That's what that get. You know damn well. Stop playing.

Well, see, now, by saying that, you know you take some of the onus off Jerry, so we can't blame Jerry fully. So Jerry can say, oh, see, he would have then said that he had some say. Let's get his ass up out of here because we lose it. You know what's funny? I don't be surprised if Jerry come back and fire back in his own way,

his own meticulous way. Because you know he can't stay in front of that goddamn camera. Mike Florio believes the Bears should discuss a trade for Shanahan with the 49ers the Bears are also expected to interview Pete Carroll I don't believe they need a defensive coordinator as a head coach I believe now if Pete Carroll's gonna go get him a Cliff Kingsbury or get someone that that's good with this type of quarterback. This type of quarterback, I mean, a Caleb Williams. Okay,

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You got Swift. I'm not saying they're the 49ers, but I'm just saying you do. And obviously the offensive line has some work that needs to be done there as well. But he has a great arsenal of weapons to work with i'm just saying if the switch was to happen i think it would improve that off that that chicago bears offense tremendously yeah i see you on spirit wi-fi tonight me yeah i'm talking to you on your damn who you think i'm talking to oh okay listen stay with me real quick. Stay with me now. Listen, the people from my Wi-Fi and my internet service, they won't be here tomorrow.

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Excuse me. At the age of 72, Coach Belichick has no prior college experience. Ocho, do you like Coach Belichick going back? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I want, at some point, I would love for Coach Belichick to get the most wins as a head coach in the NFL and pass the shoot-up.

And I can't get that done going to North Carolina. I think going to college, it's not a bad thing. But there's a disadvantage due to the competition level being, the playing field being even because of NIL. I don't think Bill needs to get into that realm and that area where you're not really getting the players you need to have a winning season or actually to be able to compete at a high level. I would prefer Bill to stay with us inside the NFL until the

right job comes to his... How do I say it? Until the right NFL job comes. The right one where he can continue to win and strive to get into reaching that goal of being the most

winning NFL head coach ever. I think, Oh, Joe coach Belichick, it had to be a huge crush to his ego. You talk about a guy that's won six Superbowl and he ain't get none of the jobs. There was six or seven jobs that were available and he got none of them.

Yeah, but he got none of them. Can I ask you a question though? Yes. Think about this of those six Can I ask you a question, though? Yes. Think about this. Of those six or seven jobs that are available, which one would have been the best fit where he can continue his reign of dominance? No, he ain't got no quarterback.

I mean, you got a quarterback, but you ain't got Tom Brady. But at this point, Ocho, let me ask you a question. You're the best receiver in football. That's me. That's me. You got all the records

you done had 6 straight 100 catch seasons you done had 6 straight seasons at least 1300 yards 6 straight seasons of 10 touchdowns ok they move on and you can't find one job yeah hey can I tell you something

yeah it's become a young man's game. Not only has it become a young man's game, it's become a Bill being able to adapt to today's players to today's era can he change some of the things that he did during the old days some of the old ways and try to revamp like you know I tell you sometimes you got to evolve you can't do the things you did back in the day and think it's going to work in today's era the players things you did back in the day and think it's going to work in today's era. The players, I don't think they're going to be strong.

Ocho, these kids don't care about no resume. No, the kids don't. I'm just saying the organizations might, might, if he goes in and shows that he can adapt to the kids in today's era. That's all I'm saying. I couldn't be wrong.

Yeah. Yeah. Can he adapt adapt it's hard ojo when you've been in your it's hard when you've done something one way and had ultimate success doing it that way now all of a sudden i you mean to tell me to do a 180 yeah oh that's hard and the kids today oh there's not the same level of respect for coaching and authority that it once was what you and i grew up with and the way we see it gradually gradually dissipating where the coach's authority and the coach's voice is not as powerful as it once was. Now, it is in some locker rooms, but I remember five years ago, five years ago, Coach Belichick walked into a locker room with that resume.

Yeah. Now, everybody, the first day they're going to call in a question, he ain't one to know without Tom Brady. Yeah. I'm just being worthwhile-sided with you. Right. But you know what I see, especially with the young players that looked up to him as a coach and respect what he's done? I think he could walk into a locker room and it'd be instant respect even from the young guns.

I disagree. I think so. Ocho, you see now the young guys are disrespectful to the veteran players so you think they're going to yeah the respect that we used to have for authority forget the resume just for

authority even if it was somebody that wasn't related to us but they were older than us or they were in an authoritative position Ocho we held them in respect I think the same now Ocho, we held them in respect. Yeah, yeah. I think the same now, Ocho. I know what you mean, but listen, Bill is a different figure.

He's a legend at this. You know, I think the players would respect. That's a legend. This ain't just no any coach. Oh, shit, I'm playing for goddamn Bill Belichick, the one who's won six Super Bowls, who knows how to win. You know, that's just how I see it. You talking about how you talk.

That's how you thinking. Right. But you wasn't on your phone. You wasn't on your phone soon as the game was over to see what somebody said negative about Ocho so you could confront a receiver. I mean, a reporter. That is what you did. You wasn't on your thing trying to find out,

well, who said something negative about me because I had an off game. That is what you did. Coach tell you one thing, you go do something else because, hey, I know better than coach. It's going to be very, very interesting. Very interesting to see because you and I both know

the longer you away from something the harder it is to get back into it yeah we just talked about the separation in a relationship okay we start out at a week then two weeks then a month two months then a year yeah you know once you get to a month you know what that is you know what that means, huh? It don't mean nothing, Ocho. I'm just saying, month, six months, now you're getting six months,

now you're not, Ocho. Now you're not, hey, it's the old saying, now you're crossing the Rubicon. That means you're reaching the point of no return. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been there before. I've been to the Rubicon back in 87

back in 87 I tell you no lie I never forget her you know that's a story I can save for another day but her name was they call her Ruby they call her Ruby Red her name was Ruby Red you know yeah she had red hair too that's why we called her Ruby Red yeah yeah man and so

it's gonna be i hope coach belichick i mean i look i i there are some things the way he did things wouldn't handle the media but i think now i don't you know his his his coaching ockman is not to be questioned yeah he knows the game forward and backwards. Now, for me, it probably would. Had I got drafted to Coach Belichick, see, it's easy to get drafted somewhere, Ocho, and go there because that's all you know. Yeah. Had I gone somewhere else and then had to play for Coach Reeves,

it probably would have been a little different. But he was hell from day, so that's all I knew. See, if you raised in hell and all you've ever dealt with with the devil so you go to another devil you're cool hell i've been with the devil my whole life right right right but to go somewhere where you don't have to deal with the devil and now you gotta deal with it now you got hell on your head figuratively and literally yeah but uh i hope coach velichick gets a chance i think he he deserves the opportunity. Well, I think with his resume and what he's done and how he's been, he's had some slip-ups.

But I think he's earned the right to at least get one more chance to try to break that record. Absolutely. Absolutely. And if he gets it, hey. I know one thing I've already put my word in I put my word in if at

any point you do get a job you know he's gonna bring you on as an assistant okay a lot of former players have chimed in on the Al Shearer Al Shearer hit on Trevor Lawrence. Bill Romanowski, my former teammate, said the hit was dirty, but I loved it.

Sounds like Romo. Joe Thomas says the NFL needs to ban weaponized quarterback slides. Tom Brady suggested the NFL needs to change the rule to penalize late slide. Tom Brady said something very interesting. He said they're putting the onus on the defense. Tom Brady is the wrong messenger because they had a rule change. Does he not know the Brady rule was instituted to protect him? I get it.

I get what he's saying, Ocho, but he's the wrong messenger. Because a lot of these rules that they put in place to protect the quarterback, he benefited from. It's kind of like what we see with a lot of Hispanics when they talk about, yeah, deport, deport, deport. When they got over here, we see it. We know how they got over here. See, it's easy to say that ex post facto.

What I'm doing now, I don't give a close it. Don't let nobody else over. Tom Brady said, well, hell, I ain't got to take no more hits punish the quarterback really bro really yeah I get everything that they said

Ocho the late slide Patrick Mahomes is notorious for that feeling like he's gonna slide and then he wiggle and finagle no that's wrong punish him because listen to all my Ross A. Brown, he said that Caleb Williams had a

habit of pretending like he's going to go out of bounds and they showed the clip Dan Campbell say, if he does this, y'all punish his ass. And that's exactly what happened. That's why they didn't throw a flag because he warned the official.

He said he had a habit of doing this. We're going to put, we're going to put helmets on his ass. Yeah. See, I might not get stopped him from doing it, but I break his ass. So the habit,

I'm a grandma say, I might not stop you, but I break you to have it. Yeah. That's all I'm saying. Tom is the wrong messenger. When he benefited one of the, he was one of the most beneficiaries of the rule change to protect the quarterback. Oh, Joe. So how is he going to say this now?

I think he's saying it because of the way the quarterbacks are taking advantage of the rule. He took advantage of it. Yeah. I mean, you know, he can't he can't scramble he can't run he couldn't run now they they took he took advantage of it in the pocket yes so the onus at that point it's on the defensive player why he said the owner shouldn't be on the defensive player to protect the offensive player that's what he's saying so why is it on the owners when his ass is in the pocket? Yeah, that's a good one.

I'm trying to give you better context for those that are running quarterbacks that are dual threats that choose to take advantage of the situation that they know well, you know what? I can fake it. I can act like I'm going to go out of bounds and I'm going to take it up the field. I'm going to take it up

the sideline. So Shazier, I understand. That was a late slide. That was a late slide. I'm going to say Jericho. That was a late slide by Trevor. You got to protect yourself. That wasn't a late slide. Ocho, you do realize how tall Trevor Lawrence is.

That was late. That was late. Ocho, Ocho, it wasn't a late slide, but when you six foot five, you make it seem like he Calabari. Damn. That's a lot of bad to get down into a sliding position.

How many times you see Aaron Judge steal a base? Do you know how hard it is for him to get his ass down and slide? Unless they ain't got nobody in that position like they got a shift on or something? Yeah. Yeah. But here's the thing.

It's just like a quarterback. When they fake spike it and then throw the ball. What about that, Ocho? Should you be allowed to do that? I ain't really seen that since Marino against the Jazz. They'll do it. They still do it? I think't really seen that since Marino against the Jazz. They'll do it. They still do it? I think the quarterbacks are afraid

now. I ain't seen it. I think a handful of quarterbacks have done that since Danny. And they put in the Jags, to finish up, Ocho, the Jags placed Trevor Lawrence on injury reserve

yesterday likely ending his season I think he's going to have surgery but he was dealing with something before this okay he's had shoulder issues before that Ocho but all I'm saying is this I understand what Tom is saying but as a quarterback that's benefited

from it you can't say Ocho you can't say change the tax code when you benefited from the you can't say oh you can't say change the tax code when you benefited from the old tax code and you've made millions and billions now hey close it close that loophole man don't let nobody else through there it's like a a portal oh you remember how we uh we see these uh sci-fi movies where they jump through the portal and then they're trying to close it so can't nobody else no bro what's up? Yeah, you're right. I understand what you mean.

But that, listen, and I get it. They're going to have to do something about this. Like, you can't fake like you're going to slide because they changed the rules in college because Kenny Pickett and Pitt, he pretended like he was going to slide and he kept running. And they ended up winning the game. So you can't do that now.

And they're going to, hey, if you want to change the rules, but once that guy go into a slide, because once he goes into that motion, Ocho, like I said, he's a big ass man. That's a lot to go from a fully upright position into a sliding position. Yeah, you're right. You're right.

I mean, but listen, with understanding of that being that you're a bigger man i mean you got to start that slide a little earlier guys i'm not saying tom brady tom i'm saying tom brady benefited from rules that protected the quarterback right so imagine if you couldn't hit the quarterbacks with elway and marino because I'll give you a prime example. Trent Green lost his starting job in St. Louis. That's how we came to see Kurt Warner. Rodney Harrison did the exact same thing

to Trent Green that Bennett Pollard did to Tom Brady. Did they change the rules? Absolutely not. The moment they did it to Tom Brady, what did they do they call it the brady rule a quarterback now a defender he can't tackle the quarterback below the knee yeah he can't hit he can only hit the quarterback here you can't drive your weight onto the quarterback you got to baby

him down you got to if i got him i got to like this. And you see a lot of guys sack the corner, hit the quarterback. They got their arms spread and try to dissipate the amount of weight that's going on the quarterback. So all I'm saying, I didn't say Tom was a scrambler, but you can benefit from rules. Even though that situation maybe wasn't applicable for him,

but he did benefit from rules that were implemented to protect the quarterback right so you want to see them change the rules so what would you have them do you away with the slide so now a quarterback can't give himself up you can't because that's part of the game that's part of the game you That's part of the game. You definitely can't take that out. But I don't know. I think you would have to put the onus on the quarterback and being smart and being able to slide early based on situation and circumstance,

depending on what defenders are. And I think defenders have to protect themselves and understand the situation at hand and knowing that the quarterback's going to slide and also knowing who you're playing against. You know, you got some quarterbacks that are knuckleheads, you know. They'll drop the shoulder now.

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And burned that his career accomplishments should supersede, see? I told you. Should supersede his performance down the stretch. He said it would be ridiculous to make a player with his resume audition for next season. Ocho, this is why we love professional

sports, because what must you do every week, Ocho? Update your resume. Update your resume update your resume so I want to ask Aaron Rodgers what has those four MVPs done for the Giants this year that's what you do every time you step on the field.

Ocho, I'm playing for my job. Yeah. Yeah. But you already know what they're going to do, though. No, you already know what they're going to do. You know how difficult it is to find a quarterback. You know how long the Jets have been looking for a quarterback? They're still looking.

Yeah, I know they're still looking. Even though Aaron Rodgers is playing bad. It's the possibility. It's the thought. It's the hope that he's going to play like the Aaron Rodgers of old. Even if he shows glimpse or flashes of the old Aaron Rodgers, maybe for the Jets organization, maybe

that's just enough to give them hope that things may change. Maybe. If there's an opportunity or a chance for him to come back next year, guess where he's going to be because of who he is and because of the exact same thing he said. Because of his resume. He's going to get a chance.

Just because it's him. Uh-uh. I don't know. Like I said, I don't know Woody Johnson like a lot of other people. They seem to see that he and the owner of the Jets, Woody Johnson, it's kind of like they don't see eye to eye. There's reports that he wanted to bench Aaron Rodgers

at some point in time this year. Coaches fought back against that. If they want me to stay fantastic, if it takes these five games, maybe they don't know what I bring to the table. Nothing this year. But that that being said I love to play really freaking well these last five games it's Ocho you see that's

what I'm saying he thinks that the normal rules for an NFL player Joe Montana yeah he didn't finish in San Francisco. Emmitt Smith, Bruce Smith,

Jay Rice, some of the historic great players. There are a lot of what a top 100 players. Right. That did not finish their career with the team that drafted them. But somehow Aaron think he should be exempt because of his resume. Can I tell you something? Yeah.

In that chat, y'all listen to me. Because his name is Aaron Rodgers, because of what he's done in the past, he's going to get that grace simply because he's a quarterback. Even though some might not like it, we might not like it. It's just the honest truth. I believe there's a greater chance he plays elsewhere than with the Jets.

Nah, I don't see it. Well, you know, Devontae's gone after this. He's only one year, huh? Mm-hmm, basically. Yeah, you know, you might know what? You might be right. You might be right because most of the pieces are going to be gone.

You might be right. But where would that be? I don't know. I mean, everybody keeps hoping to get the old Aaron Rodgers. You just getting the old Aaron Rodgers. I mean, I'm not breaking news. Take that aside. Look,

if that man has, if he had another name on the back of that jersey, ain't no way y'all say that man deserves to get the money that he's making, deserves another opportunity, or if earned, forget deserved, because he feels he deserves because of his resume.

Not based on what he's done. Everybody else must feel, I get this opportunity. I've earned the opportunity to play here, Ocho, to play another season, to get another game. He feels he's deserving based on what he's done, not what he's doing.

Yeah, and you know the funny thing? You know why he can say it? Because he knows he's going to get that opportunity. He knows he's's gonna get that chance based on what he's done any other position tackles guards defense ends centers d tackles cornerbacks safeties will never be extended that grace there's always there's always a special place for a quarterback especially when it is done with aaron rogers has done in the past even today even as bad as it is he will get that grace because of what he's done in the past the only position that can get away with that block him hml uh Jamar Chase's dad said he could still win the Super Bowl with the Cincinnati Bengals. If our defense was a little bit better, we would be in the Super Bowl talk.

This offense is unstoppable. Yeah. Talk. Talk. Come on. Talk, Papa Chase. No. Ocho.

Ocho. Ocho. You can't. Ocho. Come on, Papa Chase. That's what I'm talking about. Ocho. Ocho. You can't. Ocho. I'm on Papa Chase. That's what I'm talking about. Ocho. People believe.

Where is this coming from? Be it true or imagined. Who they believe he's speaking for. You think he's speaking for Chase? I know. It's not a rhetorical question. I asked you the question. You know what?

That's a good one. But in this case, being that I know Papa You know what? That's a good one. But in this case, in this case, being that I know Papa Chase, right? He's at every game. He watches every game. He's been going to all the games and Chase has been a look kid. Based on what he can see from sitting in the stands and going to home and away games, I think his...

I mean, you see it. I mean, it's right there in front of you. I mean, he sees it every day. But it doesn't matter. He's right there in front of you. I mean, he sees it every day. But it doesn't matter. He's not saying nothing. We're not saying nothing. I know. I ain't say it.

But let me ask you this. Let's just say for the sake of argument. Talk to me. You were dating Rayo. And Rayo said, hey, now we can see you ain't getting the catches. You ain't getting the attempt, the targets that you normally get. All I'm saying is that my man, hey, they give him opportunities. Y'all see what he can do. Y'all know what my man do.

He been doing it for five or six years. Even though we can see it, do we believe that that's Rell talking or we believe that's Rell talking for Ocho? That's probably Rell talking for Ocho? That's probably real talking for Ocho. Even though I agree with you, that's probably his own synopsis based on his knowledge of football and what he sees.

But that's not how the media and that's not how people that watch will take it. They're going to take it. Right. I understand what you're saying. Now, the funny thing about it is normally when it comes to family members, family members that really

don't know the game like that, you know, they just, they go to it because, you know, it's a family, it's a cousin, it's a friend. But in this case, yeah, you know what I mean? I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt

because we have somebody that's really integrated into the sport, that played the sport. Now he didn't make it to the highest level, but he is really into it like that. And he's submerged himself into it. Now that his son plays for the Bengals.

So in this case, I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt. Maybe it might be something that Chase might say, but before Chase, Papa Chase to say it for him. Yeah. I was, I was very conscious of what I said around anybody.

But I always told my boss and mom, anything that you say, they're going to feel that you got it from me or spanky. I said, my homeboy, I said, bro, whatever y'all say, they're going to feel it came from me. Right. Be my always keep that in mind. You never know. Just because you know that person, you don't know who that person knows. So they take what you said and they go back. Oh, yeah. You know, that's that's man. That's a sharp homeboy. That's right. He made the one bucket.

And Mark, yeah, it's got to be some truth to it. So you just have to be mindful of what you say, because you never know. That's one person. Right. but he might know three or four people and then you get four or five degrees of degrees of separation and now all of a sudden you something that you said innocently all of a sudden grows legs yeah yeah you hey i'm not telling you anything you don't know you've been in the game you You know how this thing works. Yeah, I definitely do. But the crazy about it, I don't have the stats in front of me. I think Dan Orlovsky ran them off to you when y'all was on ESPN the other day

about the losses that the Bengals have had in scoring 24 points, in scoring 28 points, in scoring 34 points, 38 points, whatever it might be. And all these are losses because the defense is playing that bad there used to be a timeout they said you score 17 you win the game yes yeah you you win the game and so the fact that they've been able to be an off of the juggernaut week in and week out and still lose games it's like come on that but here's the thing where i push back on deal i understand he has minimal turnovers but look at the games they lost and when he's turned the ball over and in the wrong time you might have one

turnover but guess what they pulled it out and they tied the game up with your fumble okay you you had a three-point lead but guess what you threw an interception they kick a field goal and now boom so you see people just keep looking at the number of turnovers. But look at when he turned the ball over. You and I have always, we concluded, Ocho, all turnovers aren't created equal. You turn the ball over in the first quarter. It's a big difference than when you turn it over in the fourth quarter. You up by three or you down three.

That turnover weighs differently than in the first quarter when it's zero zero or seven three or seven nothing and so you go back and look at look at when he turned the ball over against baltimore look at when he turned the ball over against kansas city look at when the game that he lost when they turned the ball over that has to and guess what fumbles are turnovers also people just say well he ain't through before interceptions but what about the fumbles how many times has he fumbled those are turnovers also because guess what if your defense can't stop their offense you definitely can't give their defense you can't give the opposing defense points on your possessions yeah you already made

it abundantly clear that you have to be damn near perfect even if you're not perfect the one thing you can't do is to give the opposing offense a short field or give them points on your possessions because now you're like well damn we can't stop them we just gave them seven points if we don't, Ocho, when we come back on the field, the score is about to be 10-0 to 14-0. I guarantee you. It puts you right behind A ball. Now you really, really, really got depressed.

I've been in situations where if we didn't turn the ball over, we weren't going to lose. But it's hard to play, Ocho, because you're only going to throw the ball on to play ocho because you're only gonna throw the ball on third down they know you're gonna throw the ball on third down so we see in an eight nine man box on first and second now how difficult you think it's gonna damn be to try to get on third down when it's third and eight third nine and they know you're gonna throw it you better make some hay on first and second down now and make those third downs very manageable. You try to get... Everybody wants to

be third and manageable. Yeah. We look at third and manageable, third, one to three. Five is okay. You start getting third and seven, third and ten, third and thirteen, you ain't going to be picking them up on the rig. Your playbook shrinks significantly.

The greater the distance, the smaller the playbook gets. We only got like two or three plays for third and third and long third and ten or more. That's it. Most of the time, you're going to have to check that motherfucker down anyway. Oh, Joe,

check this out. The NFL will find players $15,000 if players post their drug test requests from the league on social medias for a new memo sent to agents players across the leagues are extremely unhappy about this hey but the nfl is so funny about control i'm one of the ones who used to do that as well i used to to do that. And you know what's so funny about social media? It's the fact that people in the chat, if you can go on Twitter right now, just do me a favor, please.

Go on Twitter right now and see if you can find me complaining about getting drug tested after a game. It's still up there. You know, it's something that I did. It's something that some of the players do. And anytime you have a good game, a game that's out of the norm, they think there's something wrong with you.

And what's the thing they do? They drug test you the next day. Hell, sometimes they might catch you right after the game. Yeah. They might catch you right after the game. I definitely didn't think it was random because I'm getting tested seven times a year and the punter and the kicker getting tested one time a year. Now, clearly, you look at them clearly.

They, if they, whatever they take it is backfiring. It ain't working. Right. I'm like, how's it, how's it random when I get selected damn near every week or every other

week. And this guy gets tested once a year. I'm confused. They come see me in the off season. It's also based on position too. It's also based on position too, huh? It's also based on position. Yeah, what are we testing Kicker for anyway? Think about it.

Eating too many hamburgers and pizzas? That's what's in his system. But Ocho, tell me this. What do you what do you what do you get by posting that are you trying to elicit sympathy

from the fans I don't like I said I was frustrated Ocho because you I got tested I got tested a bunch

and even in the off season because in the off season I was when I was living in Savannah the guy would come to the airport Ocho I would meet the guy at the airport offseason, because in the offseason, when I was living in Savannah, the guy would come to the airport, Ocho. I would meet the guy at the airport. He would get off the plane. He would go. We'd go into the bathroom.

At that point in time, Ocho, they have to keep the bathroom open. So you would have to turn to the side so he could see it. And make sure you ain't doing nothing wrong. Yeah, because guys had started getting the wizard Nader. They were getting somebody else urine and bag and strapping it to their legs. You know,

do darker than me. And he got peak meat hanging down there. You know what I'm saying? Come on, bro. So I said, come on, dude.

That's the, uh, the dude from Minnesota. Oh, Joe, he done got the wizard. That's how they found out about it. Yeah.

Hey, you know what's funny? Hey, Chet, this is so funny too. In the offseason, it doesn't matter where you are in the world. If you got to get a drug test, they're coming. They're coming wherever you at. You can be in Europe. You can be in Italy. You can be in Spain. You can

be in London. They're coming. You can be anywhere. It doesn't matter. Wherever you are in the world, once you have that drug test, even could be in Italy, you could be in Spain, you could be in London. They're coming. You could be anywhere. It doesn't matter. Wherever you are in the world, once you have that drug test, even in the off-season, you will get that test taken within 24 hours. Guaranteed. You used to tell them, Ocho, I'm going to be in St. Thomas, or I'm going to be out of town on vacation. Okay,

we'll get you when you get back. Oh, no. Where are you going to be? They're going to, hey, they will ask you, where are you going to be? We'll have somebody there hey, they will ask you where you're going to be. We'll have somebody there. We'll have somebody there to meet you within an hour. They will show up. They absolutely will,

Ocho. And that was, I was like, at first, Ocho, they used to let you go in the bathroom because what they would do, they would be in the training room. They would give you the cup. They'd let you go to the bathroom and come back. Okay, and then they were like, okay, they would follow you

to the bathroom, but they would still let you close the door. But what guys were doing, they would already have somebody else's urine stored. Yeah. Pour it into the cup, pretend like, you know, and so forth and so on so then there's like nah nah nah y'all ain't doing right y'all think y'all slick so now drop your pants

you gotta put your pants to your ankle you gotta turn to the side i mean come on bro yeah another man watching another grown man pee in a cup yeah i mean yeah but'm going to get this. Y'all ain't finna get no money out of me. Stand right there. Hey, I'm going to fill it up. I ain't give a... Y'all ain't finna get one dime out of Shan.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. But that's the way it is now, Ocho. And they say this is, this is, they say, now I've read the memo, they said it's always been a rule,

but there was no, I guess no fine or no term, no punishment behind it. So now they attach 15,000. They weren't enforcing it. But I think, I guess, no fine or no term, no punishment behind it. So now they're attached to $15,000. They weren't enforcing it. But I think the NFL is now fed up. And just players want to let people know how ridiculous it is that they're being fined. I mean, fined, fined.

That they're being drug tested. And it's normally after an exquisite performance. Every time. Every time. I was like, man, hey. I mean, you know, okay, I had 90. Okay, I had 130.

Y'all felt... I mean, I'm trying to figure out what happened in that week. Right. Why y'all didn't trust me when I had pro catches for 22 yards? Y'all need to drug test the coaches and ask them why they call them bull jive plays. That's what y'all need to test.

Oh, Joe. The Ravens suspended Deontay Johnson for one game in 2024 has not been kind to Deontay from being traded off two NFL teams and becoming practically non-existent in the Ravens dynamic offense and now being suspended one game after refusing

to go into Baltimore week 13. See Ocho? I tried to tell you when he was in Pittsburgh. I said they're going to tolerate until they behave. He took that same attitude. They won't listen to me. Oh, how you know? Because I know.

Because I've been in the locker room and I was de facto I was a leading voice and I've seen guys just like Deontay Johnson and he took that same behavior if y'all think this man has changed y'all think he just got like this when he got to Baltimore huh y'all think that y'all really think that's who Deontay

it would become that no but y'all don't want to listen to me. Oh, I think he know everything. I don't know everything. I know a little bit about everything except technology. But when it comes to human behavior, I know a lot about that. I told you. Y'all won't listen to me now.

So, hey, hey, chat, when I was saying this behavior in Pittsburgh. Where y'all at now why we can't find no oh why we can't find anybody they go against us but when we right don't nobody jump in the chat and say oh joe i hey i was one of the ones that said oh joe you was wrong but you was right why we can't get that oh joe yeah you you're right listen i i do i do listen i'm not i'm not saying what he did was right i do understand his frustrations obviously getting traded to baltimore and wanting to be an intricate part of the offense and really not getting those opportunities he's at he's at catches i think he slipped on a few he's dropped a few but he's also caught some balls but not to the point where he thought he would i mean obviously you're one you're

going to you're going to a runner team. They're running the ball first anyway. So your opportunities are going to come few and very – few and – how do you say it? What's the word? Few and far between. Yeah, few and far between, especially in that offense, especially when they already have Zay Flowers and Bateman and Aguilar.

You're going to have to get in where you fit in, and when you do get the opportunities, you're going to have to make the most of it. You got to catch it. Yeah, that too. You got to catch them. You got to make the most of them. Ocho, I don't... Look, I was a pretty good player. And I wanted to catch the

football because I worked my ass off during the course of the week. I felt I had done all the right things from studying to preparing to practicing hard to doing all the right things from studying to preparing to practicing hard to doing all the right things. Ocho, I really wanted to catch the ball. Sometimes they didn't throw me the ball. Guess what

I did on Monday, Ocho? What you did? Take my black ass upstairs and pick up that check. I got paid by the game, not by the catch. So now, if y'all want to pay me this amount of money to catch no balls, to pick up that check. I got paid by the game, not by the catch. Right. So now, if y'all want to pay me

this amount of money to catch no balls, I'm going to go right, I ain't going to say a word. Right. Y'all want to, hey, if I caught 13 passes,

I made the same amount of money as if I caught two. Now, it's going to look foolish on y'all, but I'm not, I'm not, I'm not finna get, lose my mind,

but y'all not throwing me the ball because I know what I can do. Y'all know what I can do. But to not go in a game? Yeah. Ah, hell no, Ocho. That's hella frustration built up. You need me, J.R. Rice.

I remember I think who was it was it Bill Callahan it might have been Bill Callahan that broke Jerry Rice consecutive game streak of catching a pass

Jerry had like two something over 200 catches and he didn't throw him a pass oh yeah he snapped it Jerry had like two something, over 200 catches, and he didn't throw him a pass. Damn. Oh, yeah, he snapped it. He broke it. Go back and look.

I think it's against the Seahawks. And then at the point in time, Ocho, they were up, so you know they're not going to throw the ball. Right. Jerry was frustrated. That's crazy. Jerry came out there the next week and went crazy I don't know if he went crazy but he took his ass in the game

and that's Jerry at the time that happened Jerry was the greatest receiver I'd ever played and if he gonna take it man how you in good conscience tell the coach you ain't going in the game Ocho I've never been in a position like that where I had to make that decision. I don't want to be in a position like that, Ocho!

I'm a football player. That's my job is to take my black ass in the game. Yeah, yeah. Ocho, I never wanted to have that kind of power that I feel. Look, I've been very fortunate that I played on some teams and they kind of gave me

some leeway. But I tell you a lot about a person that has power and doesn't abuse it. Tell you a lot about a person now. Yeah. Everybody can't use that kind of power for good. Sometimes people will use it for bad and take advantage of it. Right. You know, being in Baltimore, you know know i remember when we went to baltimore and uh you know we didn't have a whole lot of rules don't you just be on time things like that

sometimes it drove me crazy that coach belichick would let guys skirt on the time but hey it is what it is we go to the super bowl now we don't have bed check. Right. He gave us one rule. Coach Belichick gave us one rule. He says, I want everybody to ride the bus from the hotel to the practice field. Right. Once practice

is over, I want everybody to get on the bus and ride back to the hotel. After that, you can do whatever you want to do. Okay. Okay. Rookie. He from Florida. His mom and dad down. He gonna ride back to the hotel

with his parents. I don't know FUA. I said, oh, no FUA? I said, you think you finna F it up for everybody? I said, the man gave us one, eh? I said, you think you finna F it up for everybody? Yes, right. I said, the man gave us one. We don't have bed check.

We don't have nothing. And the man said, I got one room from the hotel to the practice field, practice field back to the hotel. And you talk about, boy, that's really the only time Ocho I ever really got mad Ocho it's the Super Bowl I don't think he really understood the significance of it

maybe he was just looking at it like another game but they chronicle this one this was here for perpetuity they got I don't know how many games they played, probably 15,000, 17,800.

They've only played at that point in time 35 Super Bowls. And now you think I'm going to let you potentially hang an L? Man, you'll get your ass on this bus. I'm going to have to fight you and your parents. But you can you get your ass on that bus

man please don't mess it up you can't do that Ocho just think if you're coaching Ocho you in Cincinnati and Marvin say Ocho y'all just got one rule he ain't say hey Ocho

you can wear whatever you want you can wear shorts you can wear this you can wear that he can wear one pair, you can wear shorts you can wear this, you can wear that he said Ocho, all I want you to do is that I want you to from the practice field, I want you to take I want you to get on these golf carts and go down to the practice field

and then get on the golf carts and go back to the facility that's the only rule I got for you okay okay yeah, simple as that oh joe justin jefferson said he hasn't spoken to kirk cousins since he left in free agency oh joe did you talk to former teammates if they left in free agency you know what not not really not not not really i really didn't. I remember TJ left and went to Seattle, if I'm not mistaken, and the Raiders. Carson left and went to Arizona and went to the Raiders. No, no, we didn't talk much.

But what we did do is we did keep in communication in the offseason. Like in season, you know, when players left, we exchanged pleasantries before they left. And, you know, that was it. That was pretty much it. So especially in season, you know that that was it that that was pretty much it so especially in season you know we we didn't talk much hell the funny thing about it we didn't talk much when they left then but now we talk more and we played in so goddamn long which is weird you know everybody's always on their own program and you you hate to see him go that's one thing about it you hate to see them go. That's one thing about it. You hate to see them go, especially

the combination and the duo that TJ and I were during that time. And to see Carson go was also sad. But we didn't communicate after that, man. Once they were gone, they were gone. We understood the business aspect of things and the way things work. If I see you in passing and offseason, it's all

love. I did. When I baltimore went back to denver uh me and ray we still talk once twice a week um when i went when i left denver uh and went to baltimore uh me and burns but and burns ended up leaving and going to tampa when he left in tampa in 99 and so i was there by. That was that was the worst year of my entire life. And in 14 years, that was the worst year I ever had. Right. Well, he and I, we still talk.

We're normal. We talk every day. But those were really the only two guys that I really talked to during the season. But like you said, once the season was over, you know, a lot of the guys, F you know a lot of the guys fats and a couple of other guys duke jackson house well we still we still communicated and we you know i got you know we close today but yeah i i can see just i mean i don't think i don't think that's unusual now i didn't have a quarterback i didn't have a quarterback leaving for agency uh um but no hell i wasn't gonna talk to the quarterback hell john and i didn't talk in

offseason so i know damn well if i had gone to another team or he had gone to another team we weren't gonna be talking during the season now we didn't talk in the offseason and we're on the same damn team so i don't i don't think that I don't think that's strange at all you no absolutely not absolutely not because I didn't I mean I lived it I lived it the made for this mountain podcast exists to empower listeners to rise above their inner struggles and face the mountain in front of them. So during Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast,

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