Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Daniels Hail Mary, Jameis bests Ravens, Cowboys woes

Episode Date: October 30, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from week 8 of the NFL season including Washington Commanders rookie QB Jayden Daniels electrifying Hail Mary as time expires for the win over the Chicago Bears, Jameis Winston gets the start and the win for the Cleveland Browns in an upset over Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry and the Baltimore Ravens, Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys lose to Brock Purdy and the injury riddled San Francisco 49ers on Sunday Night Football and much more!03:15 - Colts QB Change?10:15 - Sean Payton on running up the score on the Panthers13:54 - Cowboys vs. 49ers20:15 - “If your team lost by more than 10, I don’t wanna hear nothing”24:16 - Patriots vs. Jets29:34 - Jayden Daniels electric play of the day39:13 - Browns upset the Ravens(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Steichen replied, today he is, yes, but would not say if that would be the case moving forward. We're evaluating everything, not just the quarterback, everything. We all got to be better. There's a whole bunch of areas that we can improve on. I'm not just talking about the quarterback. I'm talking about everything. We've got to be better moving forward.

Like that, man. I hate stuff like that, especially in the middle of the season. Be direct with your comments. I know you're the head coach. I know you don't want to let things out to the reporters. You know whether you're going to start them or not. You know whether you're going to start them

or not. Why even play that game? Why even play that game? Now, you bench your quarterback because he's maybe struggling a little bit. If you watch the game, I'm not sure. Obviously, the people at home only get to see the TV copies. But for you, seeing the 22 film, it's different. You know, he needs to work. There's some stuff he needs to work on.

There's some stuff he needs to work on. He's not playing well for that team to be as good as they should be with what he has around him. He's not. I'm just going to be honest. So a change might come when they go to flacco but i'm not sure how that helps him because the only way for for anthony richardson to get better is to be at the helm in making those mistakes and growing from them and learning from them putting flacco in but see what exactly Keep my job. That's what it does.

You just said quarterback getting hit. There's another one on the hot seat down there in Jacksonville now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Absolute. Doug Peterson is absolutely on the hot seat with Trevor Lawrence. But the part that scares me, though, when you do something like this for a quarterback that's that young and you bench him,

I don't want him to start doubting himself. I don't want him to start doubting himself. And then what happens, he also becomes gun-shy. And the things that make him special, the things that make Anthony Richardson special, then he'll stop doing it because he doesn't want it to happen again. Then he becomes hesitant. He starts to become indecisive.

And it also messes with your psyche and your confidence. But damn, I got Vince. Oh, shit. Now I got to come back. When I do come back, I got to do everything perfect. I can't make no mistakes. And when you can't play freely, that's not good.

I think the thing is, Ocho, he does a great job of throwing the deep ball. It's the touch. It's the timing throws that he struggles with. He doesn't have the touch. Everything don't have to be this. I'm not saying that he can't get it. Everything has to be this. Everything, he's throwing it through the eye of a hurricane.

I'm like, damn, bro. Hold on. He threw it through a what? He tried to throw everything through the eye of a hurricane. I'm like, bro. Bro, he right there. Ojo, you know you can't throw a shallow

cross like you threw the end cut. Damn, the dude 46 yards from me. That's you throw the end cut. They have to do 46 yards. That's what they have to say. They love quarterbacks that have a catchable ball. Yes, yes. Everything doesn't have to be thrown with the same velocity. You know there are times, if you look at Mahomes,

when he threw that one to Kelsey, he knows the guy's coming down to rob him I gotta get it there in a hurry but now I throw the shallow cross I know hey I gotta give I gotta give a um well he it wasn't a shallow cross it's almost like a uh a q9 a sprint option route to Xavier Worthy I gotta give him a catch of a ball put it out in front of him so he can turn and get the ball into the end zone that's a part of it is the most important thing is giving the guy to run with it after he catches it because a lot of times you throw me the ball and i got to go down to catch it what could have been yards after the catch now i got a seven yard game and it could have been a 15 yard game but that's what the really great quarterbacks understand i just think think, look, he's extremely young.

I'm not so sure how many years, what did he start? Maybe one year in college? If that. And so there's a lot of maturity that needs to take place in order for him to be the quarterback that they want him to be and the quarterback that he hopes to become. Oh, my bad. But what happened yesterday, Ocho?

That won't help his situation. And again, with that situation as well, I wish he would have told the truth about what the real issue was and on why he went out. I guarantee you, I'm not sure at what point. I probably the storyline is out already. And he said he was tired. Ain't no way in hell. That was the reason why you asked him to come out. I guarantee you, I swear for God.

Something was wrong with that left ankle. I'm telling you, something was wrong with that left ankle. I'm telling you, something was wrong with that left ankle. Because the way he got the way. Well, he better go with that one. The way he got tackled. I went with that one. And dude pinned him just a little bit. Pinned him just a little bit.

I'm sure he might have aggravated it. He went out and wanted to say, oh, I was tired. Listen, you're not playing receiver. You're not playing running back. You're not doing enough running like that, even if you do have to scramble you're not doing enough running like that to be tired in that situation or in that moment for that matter that angle is messed up ocho i i'm i ain't gonna disagree with you i ain't gonna say you you you're not wrong when you're right but go with that because it's a bad look to say you were tired.

Because do you know how – Ocho, does he understand how tied linemen are, how tied the tight end is, how tied the backs are? We're actually running. I've talked about it multiple times. You scramble. The receivers are scrambling 30 and 40 yards, two, three plays back-to-back-to-back. And a lot of times we're not allowed to come out

because we're afraid to come out, Ocho, because like, hell, if Rod come out, Rod tired. I'm tired, Ed tired. So now that we got our three starters out, we got three backups in. Somebody got to stay. Two or three starters got to stay on the field. And plus, I want

the ball. Hey, Ocho, I see Ed and Rod tapping out. I might start. Oh, no. I got to go ahead. Come on, John. Go throw it to me now because I know we got two guys coming in. I know he ain't finna trust them guys coming in there. Let me go get this pass right quick. But I think

that's the thing, Ocho. I think it just have to I think you know it's just not a good look say you got tired of your think about them linemen Ocho Sean Payton on the Panthers saying he tried to run the score up it's in the NFL play back

did he hear what I said I could have swore I told you that yesterday Ocho you know them coaches hit it. Man, everybody listen, man. They might not watch it live like this, but I guarantee you, it get to them now. It get to them.

John Payton on the Panthers saying he tried to run the score because the NFL played better. With the Broncos ahead by 21 points in the fourth quarter against the Panthers, Payton called a fake field goal and had the wide receiver Courtney Sutley throw a pass to the fullback Michael Burton to convert a fourth down those play calls upset members of the Panthers and JC Horn was caught on camera saying the Broncos were trying to run the score up yep that's what we do that's what offense supposed to do Peyton said he looked at us trying to win a football game and trying to learn to close out a game

and suggested the Panthers play better if they'd like to stop the Broncos from doing such. Oh, we're trying to finish the game the right way. We're not trying to run the score up on anyone. It's the National Football League. I've been in games with a 28-point lead in the fourth quarter and lost. So we're trying to finish. You got to be alert for everything.

You got to play football. It's a football game. You don't stop playing and don't stop being alert for any and everything until the goddamn clock hits zero in the fourth quarter. I'm coaching a game, not the scoreboard. And I think I brought it up to you before about coaches having a pact. There's a certain pact that I thought they had, but there's a certain amount of respect where you don't run the score up.

And I mentioned that. You was like, hell no. But I remember sometimes where a coach ran the score up or threw a pass or scored a touchdown when they shouldn't have, when they should have took a knee. And instead of shaking hands, they got to arguing at midfield after the game. Yes. Well, maybe there is a certain pack that coaches live by. And this is a sign of respect not to run the score up that ain't it we running it up look i'm running my offense right i'm not i'm not just fitting with 10 minutes to go in the game and we're up 21 we're up 28 points i'm not just finna run the ball into the line of scrimmage three Three straight downs. I'm going to call my offense.

You call your defense. I want to know this. How did we get this 21-point lead? Were we running the score up then? Because we started at 0-0. What's your responsibility in to keep me from running up the team? Hey, JC, were you on that defense that helped them get that, let them get that 21 point lead

a young bull nice with it too I hate the fact no disrespect I hate the fact that he's on the Panthers because if he was on any other team I think you would be able to see how good J.C. Horn really is. I don't like the fact that he's over there. He's so technical. Oh, Joe, everybody can't be on great teams. I know what you mean. He's so, in man to man, he's so technically sound, dog. So f***ing

smooth and transition and hip. That's beside the point, but hey, Panthers is just right now just bad all around. All around. And I know Dave Teppel, I know he got a short lease with everybody, boy. He got a short lease with everybody. Yeah.

Hey, that's not my job to keep the score down. That's your coach's job to keep the score down. My job is to run it up. Your job to keep the score down. That's your coach's job to keep the score down. My job is to run it up. Your job is to keep it down. So you want me to coach your team and mine? Ocho, let's jump right into it. The Cowboys lose again. 49ers beat the Cowboys 30-24,

needing a touchdown to take the lead. Dallas goes four and out, four straight incompletions, and they lose 30 to 24. If you can't beat the 49ers, Debo ends up going out. Jennings was already out. Ayuk is out. McCaffrey is out.

If you can't beat them with the limited offensive weapons that they have, I don't know when you're going to be able to beat them because we know if they had a full arsenal, they'd probably win by three touchdowns. They might have put up 40 tonight. They might have put up 40 points.

Listen, I thought the Cowboys coming off a bad week, I thought it would have been a better showing for them offensively, defensively. They still can't stop the run. So I'm not sure what they did on the bye week. No! Dak, you can't turn the ball over. Dak didn't play well.

He didn't play well. I know at the end of the game, it might look like, from a statistical standpoint, that Dak played well as far as the yardage that CeeDee Lamb was able to get. I hate to call it garbage time, it is garbage it was the 49ers basically playing damn near pre-band defense now basically they stopped playing defense and um I don't know what they need to do huh it's it's getting scary for them because everybody else in that division is playing well the commanders it's amazing we're getting the quarterback and doing it for a franchise in such a short amount of time.

That fast. They look good. The Eagles playing well. I'm not sure. I'm curious what Jerry's going to say now. He can't say nothing because he put this roster together. Remember how you wanted us to pat him on the back, Ocho? For the roster that he done, everybody's here.

Either I have selected him or it came across my desk. You picked that roster. Those defensive linemen that getting run through, like Sherman went through Atlanta, that's you. Didn't he say that? 36 attempts. Ocho, hold on. 36 attempts, 223 yards, two touchdowns.

That's nasty work. That's nasty work. But didn't Jerry say, as a GM and an owner, there's nobody else that is better suited to do the job than him, though, right? Yeah, that's what he said. But a lot of them don't care who tell it. I'm just making sure. Listen, I picked the 49ers.

You know what's funny? I picked the Cowboys to win. I picked the Cowboys to win simply because the 49ers were depleted. Some of their weapons were out. Yeah. Jennings was out. Brendan Ayuk was out. I wasn't sure if Debo was going to play.

He played, but then he ended up leaving. It was towards the end of the game, though. It was towards the end of the game. He had played the – But they needed him on that – they lead him on that last drive. The drive before they ended up going – had to punt the ball, that's when you need a Debo. that's when you need a quality guy somebody that you can count on is like okay you know what yeah i could he can make plays i know i can go give him the ball um but i like you know what i like i like the way purdy played the second half i thought he left a lot

of plays on the field in the first half he threw had a third down he threw it behind Debo he had an end cut that was wide open he had to dig and he threw it to the check down the kiddo I'm like bro Conley is not going to get any more open than what he was on that dig right on that dig we call it and whatever you want to call it he's never going to get even any more open than what he was on that route he wasn't sure about himself and that was really one of the first times that I've seen Purdy unsure about himself. He had Debo on the shallow cross. He threw it behind him. Ain't no telling what Debo did. It's hard to reach back and grab that.

It's hard to reach back and grab that. You and I understand that. The casual fan at home, the people at home that never caught passes. Oh, it touched your hand. You should catch it. Stop. Stop foolishness. You're talking to people that played. You got 12-plus years in the NFL.

I got 14. We got a bunch of Pro Bowls. We got a bunch of All-Pros. We got over 1,500 catches between the two of us. So I think we know what we're talking about. We were saying that's one of the hardest catches. You're running full speed that way. You try to open your hips to get your hips around.

And the ball, it's hard. It's a hard catch to make. Even though he did miss some throws, what he did do very well is extend plays. He played and make him plays off script using his legs. And you don't really see Purdy as one that is as a dual threat quarterback. But he did really well at extending plays and running for running for first downs when there was really nothing open when the pocket broke down him being able to escape he did that very very well tonight I'm Michael Kasson founder

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if your team lost by more than 10, I don't want to hear nothing. And the Eagles got lucky today, but we'll get to that in a minute. Boy, they be the boy, they mollywhopped. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Ain't no mollywhop. That was garbage time points now. Ain't no mollywhop. That was garbage time

points now. Ain't no garbage time. You know how you know how to get garbage time? Because they say, hey, let's clean up the garbage because that's what was on the field we played against.

Garbage. Y'all trash, Ocho. I know you don't want to admit it, Ocho. That's your team. And you should ride with them. But I told you, your defense sucks.

And then your offense sucks. Whoa. Listen, for us this year, the defense has been Achilles' heel. It's been our Achilles' heel. I'm going to be honest. You do realize that y'all got beat by the Patriots. Yeah. So what was the excuse for that one?

That's week one. You know, week one is a toss-up. Okay. Week one is a toss-up. You got starters that didn't play any games in the preseason. So it's depending on how well you run your offense. That's most of the starters. That's most of the starters on the team.

Who plays in the preseason? That's why I said it's a toss-up on who wins the game. Whoever executes their game plan the most and makes the least errors, most of the time when it comes to a week-one game, that's who wins. Until the offense gets in the rhythm. Now, right now, week seven? You hear me on? Yeah, what y'all – we're heading into week – this was week eight.

What do they call this, week eight? Week eight, huh? Or seven? Yeah, week eight. Listen, our offense don't really get rolling until you get to about week 4 you don't think so? it's week it's

you in week 8 so you a month past I know I saw about early in the season oh okay so when your defense get okay if your offense get rolling

about week 4 when your defense kick in hey defense is read and react baby read and react okay when. Read and react. Okay, when y'all going to react? Can y'all read? I mean, what they need?

Can you read? You need an umbrella? I mean, what is it? Because something going on with the Beagles. I don't know what's going on with the Beagles, man. Hey, I don't know, man. I'm hurt, man. I got fans. Everybody told me they want to fire Zach Taylor. They saying the play calling is...

Oh, now it's the play calling. Yeah, I'm telling you what I'm hearing from the fans. They're blaming the coaching. They're blaming the coaching staff. But listen, when you come into a game with a game plan, it's up to the players to execute the X's and O's. That's all it comes down to. That's all it comes down to.

It don't matter who's calling it. It don't matter who's calling it. He called those same plays. Now, when y'all was winning, y'all didn't say nothing about that. You see how fickle fans are? That's why if you listen to them, you'll be up there with them. In the stands. Yeah.

Yep. Players, coaches, listen to the fans. And pretty soon you will join them up in there. Somebody sent me a meme or a GIF that had Bill Belichick in a Bengals hoodie as a coach with the sleeves cut off. With cheap-ass Paul Brown? I mean, excuse me, not Paul. That was the dad.

Mike Brown. We spent a little money in the offseason, man. We spent a little money. Yeah, very little. I mean, look, y'all spent most of the money last year. When y'all re-signed Joe, you got O'Brown Jr. So y'all spent a lot. But you know who y'all really miss?

Jesse Bates III. Oh, that's a good one. He balling in Atlanta. He balling. He is balling. Ocho, the Pats come from behind to beat the New York Jets 25-22. Excuse me. They begin the season with Super Bowl aspirations, and now their playoff

dreams are starting to slowly fade away. 2-6 with a five-game losing streak. Heavily favored the Jets came unravel in every possible way, falling to 0-3 under Jeff Obrey. On a witty Johnson decision to fire

Robert Solley after only five games clearly has backfired. Pat, Devon Goucho, is it Goucho? On Aaron Rodgers, I think he's struggling right now. Just a Hall of Fame quarterback like that. I hate to see him go out that way. He definitely don't look the same-ish. I can run him down and catch him.

Wow. Wow. Now, you remember, remember ocho we had this conversation i say you bring a guy like aaron rogers i say you're hoping that the defense is exactly what they are if not better you're hoping the guy that you're getting is what he was where he was at at least a little bit before you got at least a little bit is what he was where he was at. At least a little bit. At least a little bit of what he was. You're not going to... You tell me Aaron Rodgers look like Aaron at what part? Yeah, he can make a throw here or there, but not nearly enough.

If that defense don't hold a team to 12 points, they're not winning. They're not winning. Now, I want to know what the excuse is now because the last four weeks, he has to play better. Right. He say, listen.

You know what happens, Ocho? When you start to get old, you know what you need to do. But you just can't do it. Your body can't do it no more. The mind is willing. The body just ain't able. I need to play better. I need to play better i need to play better and what you can do like when you young you bro you can rattle off big game after big game after big game as you

start to age they get farther and farther right in between you have one good game week week one and then it might be week four or five six before, before you have another one. And then it's week 10 before you have another one. Anybody out there, tell me Aaron Rodgers look like. Tell me that you've ever seen Aaron Rodgers look like he looks right now. But when I tried to tell you he was 40, when I tried to tell you

he was coming off an Achilles injury, oh, you hate me. He still got those four MVPs. Okay? He got those four MVPs. How he looking? Yeah, it's rough. And you know what's funny? The funny thing about it is we talk about Aaron Rodgers not looking like the Aaron Rodgers we're used to seeing, especially when he was at Green Bay.

If Aaron Rodgers is playing as bad as he is now, then that means the people around him have to play that much better. Have to play better. That's what happens. To hide the handicap or the weakness that is displaying right now. As you get older, as you get older as a human, what do you need to get by? People to help you more. Maybe you need people to come in and help you prepare your meal,

help you to get dressed, help you to drive. As an athlete, you need more talent around you. You need better receivers. You need a better running game. You need an offensive line to protect you. You need a defense that can stand on their head. But he has the receivers, huh? We got Devontae Adams.

We have Garrett Wilson. We have Alan Lazard. You have a superstar, a star running back in Brees Hall. There should be no excuses at this point. There should be no reason why the Jets are... So what it is? You gave me. You got Garrett Wilson. You got Devontae

Adam. You got Brees Hall. You got Allen. So what's the excuse? I don't know the problem. You just told me, Chad. Y'all heard Ocho said it. He said they got better weapons than what they had for Zach Wilson. I know. That's what Ocho told me.

They said if we get a quarterback, we're going to be fine. You just rattle off Garrett Wilson. You just rattle off Devontae Adams. You just rattle off Breeze Hall. You just rattle off Allen. Now, I need to know what's the problem if he has all those weapons. I don't know, but everyone I just... Now you don't know, Ocho. You know what it is.

In order for Aaron Rodgers to play at maximum potential, Garrett Wilson, Devontae Adams, and Brees Hall have to be that much better. They just have to be that much better. They just have to be that much better. I thought that's why they brought him in there. I thought they brought him in there to make them better.

Okay, we blame Robert Sala. He lost his job. Nathaniel Hackett got demoted. Okay, you just told me. Ain't nobody going to say Rodgers? Everybody said Sala. Everybody said Hackett. We got Devontae.

You traded and got Devontae. You got an offensive player of the year. And Garrett Wilson, I mean, rookie of the year. Ain't nobody going to say the offensive. Ain't nobody going to say the offensive. I said the quarterback was the problem anyway. No, it was the quarterback. Oh, Aaron Rodgers.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I said it already. I was just saying. I said Aaron Rodgers was the quarterback's name. Oh, okay. Yeah, I said it already. I was just saying. I said Aaron Rodgers was the problem. That's why I said everyone else has to play that much better if he's not playing well. Everybody else got to be on point. Today's most electric touchdown play of the day came from none other

than Jane Daniels. Daniels connected with Noah Brown on a tilt pass, a 52-yard Hail Mary with no time left. I understand they said it was 52 yards, but he launched it about 70 because if you go back and look at the replay, look how far he was behind the line of scrimmage. So he threw that ball somewhere between 60 and 70 yards. Tyreek Stevenson, this is what he tweeted.

To Chicago and my teammates, I apologize for my lack of awareness and focus. The game isn't over until zeros hit the clock. Can't take anything for granted. Nose take it and prove it will happen. Bear down. No. No. No, bro. You up there celebrating.

You know you don't expect nothing like that to happen. If you are. Why not? Tell me why not. Did we not don't expect nothing like that to happen. If you are... Why not? Tell me why not. Did we not just see Aaron Rodgers? Hold up. Just two weeks ago we saw Aaron Rodgers do what, Ocho? Hail Mary. Oh, so you don't expect Hail Mary to happen?

Have what happened in that game, has that ever happened before? Can I say something? What's the number one rule for DVs or safeties on the Hail Mary? To bat the ball what? Bat the ball down. Stop trying to catch the interception. Bat the ball down.

If you don't try to get the interception and be selfish just to get the goddamn stat and you bat the ball down, the game is over. How about you do your responsibility? And there is going to be plenty of time for you to do that to the crowd. Do you see him still looking? His guy, Noah Brown, the guy that called it. Yeah, that's unfortunate. That's unfortunate.

I mean, that's so unlucky. You know what? No. It's not unlucky you know no luck is what the hell Mary is luck is what happens when luck is what

happens when preparation meets opportunity do you have you ever practiced the hell Mary in practice yeah maybe once yes yes you practice it every week. So when it happens, preparation, you prepare for it. The opportunity

presents itself. You go for it. No. He had one job to do. So let me ask you a question. So tell me the time that you have a period in which you get to celebrate and you try to chump it up with the crowd. Tell the fans in Cincinnati, did y'all have a period like that? Okay, guys, the game

is almost over. I want you to turn to the stands and try to get into it with the crowd. Let me know that. What period is that which y'all have? It ain't none. It ain't none. Just a little premature premature.

And guess what it cost him? It got him a game. Now, think about that. He's never going to live that down. Everybody going to know him for that play. How does he live that down, Ocho? He can't. He can't.

That's going to be on highlights for years to come. Damn, man. I feel bad for Young Bull, man. I know you're hyped, boy. Yeah, he's hyped. Let me ask you a question. In that celebration he was doing to the sidelines, do you think he was ever as hyped

as the commanders were when they walked it off? That was dope. that was dope that was dope for for for a play like the hail mary to be such a small percentage play as far as success rate is concerned i was i was surprised i was surprised to happen i was probably to happen i like yeah oh okay nothing surprised me on the football field. Let me ask you a question. After you saw what happened in the Super Bowl with Malcolm Butler, why are you surprised by anything? If you played this game long

enough, Ocho, you've seen strange things happen. Yeah. That's unfortunate. Yeah. Unfortunately. The prepared. Amundsen said luck is what they call it. All he had one job to do. I just want to know what the job, the description that caused him that said, this is what we want you to do. I just want to know what the job, the description that caused

him that said, this is what we want you to do. We want you to make it about you. Oh yeah, you got that. Y'all thought y'all had it. Y'all thought y'all had it, didn't y'all? And then when the play going on,

he still wasn't busting his ass. Watch the replay. And we're going to talk about it wasn't busting his ass. Watch the replay. And if we're going to talk about it again tomorrow, because I want you to watch the replay and I want you to tell me, do you think he was busting his butt to get over there? Because he got over there late. Guess what he did, Ocho? He was the one that tipped it.

He hit the ball. If he was in position, he'd have been in position to do this, but he wasn't in position. He did that. He swatted the ball. Noah Brown said, thank you. You see what happens? You lose more.

Oh, Joe. Teams lose more games than they win. The Bears lost this game. They did. teams lose more games than they win. The Bears lost this game. They did. Because all it takes is one. One guy wasn't doing his job, and it cost 52. Damn.

Don't cuss. Call Gus. Don't cuss now gus don't cuss now do your job oh cho let me ask you a question is the celebration any less jubilant if it happens five seconds later he could have waited that's why i said it was premature premature wait till the clock is zero when the clock is zero talk all the trash to the fans you won. Because I know they've been hacking you all game anyway. Yes. The greatest trash talk is the win. Yeah.

That's the greatest trash talk, Ocho. It is. Had Muhammad Ali not been able to do, nobody would have remembered anything what he was saying it was because he was winning mayweather y'all remember when conor mcgregor was knocking folks out and he had all that great trash talking tell me the last time y'all remember he said something meaningful that y'all can go back and talk to because he'd been getting his ass kicked.

Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Now you're getting beat. All those cliches and those one-liners, he was as great a trash talker as there was, but he was knocking folks out. Now he's getting carried. Don't nobody remember what he said from the press conference.

Winning is the greatest trash talk ever created. We would have not remembered what Joe Namer said had he not guaranteed. Had they lost that game, how many times will somebody say, I guarantee you, and it didn't happen.

We forget about that. But we remember that guarantee because they won. They won. Let it be a lesson. Let it be a lesson, young man. Hate that you put yourself in that situation, but let it be. Ocho. A wise man will learn from other mistakes.

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the Browns offense looked completely different. The Browns' offense looked completely different. The Browns scored 29 points. It's the first time they've reached 20 points this season. And the offense had a rhythm. It had a flow to it that hasn't been present. He led a game-winning drive in his first start since 2022. In the Browns' toughest matchup to date, they delivered, limiting Lamar Jackson to 23 of 38 passing

and repeatedly slamming the door on third down. I have a question. At some point in time, we got to stop. We saw Joe Flacco in the same offense. We see Jameis Winston in the same offense. At some point in time, Ocho, they don't blame Stefanski. He calling this. This is what we know.

This is for facts. Yeah. This offense looks better with Joe Flacco and Jameis Winston than it ever has with Deshaun Watson. Period. Point blank. Now, I would get ready to ask you. Listen, I'm watching the game myself.

And for the life of me, I can't figure out. These are the same plays, same receivers, same running back, same defense when Joe Flacco came in. Obviously, some of the players might but today,

the offense looked completely different. Jameis had a 300-yard game. Jameis had a 334 in his first game. 334 in the first game. How the hell? So I'm trying to think. Is the fans calling different plays because there's a different quarterback? Did the playbook change?

I'm confused. At some point in time, Ocho, we got to call it. It is what it is. We've seen the common denominator. The offense doesn't look good with one. The offense looks exponentially better with two. What is the common denominator? There are three quarterbacks that play in this offense.

One, two of them, the offense has a rhythm. It flows. They throw for 300 yards. The other, it doesn't look good, and he. They throw for 300 yards. The other, it doesn't look good, and he doesn't throw for 300 yards. That ain't weird to you? No, because I see what it is.

You see it too. And it's okay. That doesn't mean, I don't, listen, I like Deshaun as a football player. I really don't know the man right and so i know everybody talking about the allegations and all this and all that i'm talking about the football player but just that's what i want to focus on i'm not here first of all i'm not here to re-talk about his case and you're not qualified either

i won't talk about football player deshaun hasn't looked good since he's been in Cleveland. And all I know is when two guys come in that offense, that same offense, that offense looks exponentially different. Now, you know, it's no fun. Now watch the Browns go mess around and go on a goddamn run. The Browns go mess around and go on a goddamn run. You come out going to mess around and go on a goddamn run. You come out and play like that, you know what that does for the team? You know what that does for the players in that locker room?

Man. Did you hear Jameis Winston quote after the – where he quoted Eminem? Yeah. Yeah, dog. He is the most – he's the most man Jameis talk about hey play for the name on the helmet they ain't got no decal on the helmet hey he's unintentionally

funny and he be dead serious though yeah to the Ravens. I didn't like the way – I didn't like this. Hold on. You only had 21 rush attempts. You only gave the ball to Derrick Henry 11 times.

You gave the ball to Derrick Henry 11 – so they had 21 rush attempts. And you let Lamar Jackson throw the ball 38 times. Ocho, you don't think that's upside down? Think about what you just said. They gave Derrick Herney the time 11, 12 times. How many yards did he have? 73. He's averaging 6.6 yards

a carry. Could I interest you in that? Remember the game against Cincinnati? When he had 11 carries and then they gave him the ball twice in overtime and he took them to the promised land. Yeah. They went, they went away from it. They went, they went away from the game plan. They went away from what has been working. Why they did that? I have no idea. I have no idea. That's what I don't get. You have the recipe. If you notice, KFC don't change their recipe. Popeye's don't change their recipe.

Why? Because it works. Yeah. No, you should say a church of chicken, but I'm with you. Well, I hadn't had either in a long time. So I could just – because when you think about it kfc the original recipe yeah it's under lock and key okay popeyes the cajun whatever whatever they use it but i'm saying they've maintained that the ravens you have the recipe on that five game winning streak that you went on

what did you do i don't know you ran the ball I said I have see Ocho sometimes it gets really hard for you to have an honest conversation about the Ravens because people think

you're trying to like I said look I think the Ravens are playing phenomenal but I have concerns about their defense because I don't think the back end is very good

oh he's just trying to sneak this Lamar that's just another way to go around about saying Lamar can't get it done. You don't like Humphrey and Wiggins? Did I say it right?

Is it Wiggins? Go back and look at the past. Ash, where did Ravens pass defense rank? I'm not saying KFC was good. I'm saying they haven't changed the recipe. See, y'all lose. See, y'all lose. See, y'all get so – y'all missed the message. I can tell.

I can tell y'all didn't do well in school. Y'all was in the same class K through 12 and didn't ever change homeroom. I can tell. I can tell. I can tell. The Ravens are dead last in pass defense the Ravens are dead last in pass defense but when I said it oh that's just a way of you trying to sneak this Lamar saying he can't get it done no oh I just want to know one thing when I said they weren't very good in the back end, and now they're dead last in pass defense,

y'all think I watch Ravens game? It's not a trick question. It's a yes or no. It's not rhetorical either. Damn. I get it, Ocho. I get it. A lot of times, if you don't like the message, you won't receive the message. You like the messenger. The messenger.

The messenger. Bro, I'm just going to give it to you straight i don't got no i don't have any if anything you would think like man just when i told the truth the one thing i honestly say about the broncos when i told told the truth about the broncos and what was going on that was it but i get it i get it i get it bro my job is to like watch the games and give you an honest assessment from a guy that played the game that studied the game that's it i'm not yes yes the touchdowns hey i like touchdowns we're gonna talk about the commanders that last play and the guy bull jiving you see ocho you? You see where they got him? Nah, he got to apologize. There ain't enough apologies. But back to the Ravens.

Ocho, Derrick Henry is averaging 129 yards a game. Go back and look at his last three to four game. He probably averaging 175. And you give him 11 carries? Well, you know what? That's on Todd Munkin. That's on him. That's on the play calling.

Something made them divert away from the run game. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. But I know one thing. The goddamn Browns look good. Goddamn James Winston on the center today. I know that. Yeah.

Ocho, we had this conversation. Joe Flacco looked good on the center. They went on the center today. I know that. Yeah. Oh, Joe, we had this conversation. Joe Flacco looked good on the center. They went on the run. You asked me the question. Oh, man, what's going on? Why Deshaun can't do what Joe Flacco do it? Now you asking me, why can't Deshaun do what James Winston do it? When I envision Deshaun, I'm thinking of Deshaun Watson

that was in Houston. Deshaun Watson that didn't have any of the weapons that he has now at his disposal, but still was a top. He had a year. I think he had two years. He had one year or two years

with Hop. Hop was gone already, huh? Hop was gone. He had a hell of a season when Hop wasn't even there. Go ahead. I think Hop, hell of a season when Hop wasn't even there. Go ahead. I think Hop, he played a year with Hop. Yeah, I'm saying he even had a better season once Hop left.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, well, damn. So I'm thinking that's the Deshaun we going to get. And it just hasn't been that since he got to Cleveland. And I think it's up here, though. You heard me? It's up here. Huh?

With who? Sean? It's gone. It's shot. It's shot. That confidence is shot. Well, how do you play quarterback position? Listen, so many things, so many things going on off the field,

so many things going on on the field. Or it can wear you. It can wear you down. I'm not going to say that he doesn't have a heavy burden of ish that's on his mind. And a lot of times, but here's the thing, Ocho, is that what really great athletes can do is compartmentalize. Yes, can be able to separate.

I'm on the field. The most important thing is this game. I'll deal with wife, girlfriend, significant other. I'll deal with crises, family, whatever the case may be. I'll deal with that at the appropriate time. But what I must do right

now is focus. Lock it in. Yeah. That's what. Lock it in. Yeah, but that's what you have to do. All the greats, all the really greats can compartmentalize. It's hard to do. As easy as

you sit there and say it, everybody can't do that. Sometimes what's going on off the field, it creeps into your work. Sometimes you bring it to work. I think bring it to work. I think that's been the issue. I just wish. It's going to be studied because it's going to be a 30 for 30.

On what? Somebody's going to do a documentary on this. Okay, okay, okay. Because we've never seen an athlete so high and have some precipitous drop. We've never. We've never. Especially now, look, he's

had, okay, he tore the Achilles. I think he tore the Achilles. But this drop started before injury. So we can't contribute it to an injury. It's I just hate it. Yeah. Well,

they look good now. So we'll just see what Jameis does. It's going to be very interesting to see if they can keep it going. But Ocho, the formula is to run more than you pass. You got King Henry.

Ocho, look at the games, how they've been winning. They've been blowing teams out. The man has been running wild. And you give him 11 carries? 11? I don't know what they –

Ocho, they had 21 carries as a team. When normally the Ravens are a 30, 35, 40-carry team. What did they have – go back and look at the Ravens. What did they have against Tampa? What did they have against Dallas? I get it. When you fall behind, I think they fell behind two scores, Cincinnati. But they fell behind because, you know,

they throwing the ball dilly-dallying around. Who the Ravens got next? They had 30 curves against Tampa how many they have against Dallas they had to have 35 40 against Dallas because they ran them off a damn 275 yards but that recipe, look,

I understand. Look, Lamar is an MVP. We know he can throw the ball, but I think what are you trying to do? You try to prove a point to Lamar can throw the ball or you trying to win a championship? The volume.

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