Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Day 1 of March Madness, Penny Hardaway joins the show, & Puka has LeBron as his GOAT

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react day 1 of March Madness with some early upsets, Penny Hardaway joins Nightcap to discuss the NCAA tournament. & Puka says LeBron is his GOAT on a recent podcast & much more!06:14 - Show start08:00 - March Madness23:14 - Celtics sold for $6 billion 33:00 - Penny Hardaway joins the show53:00 - LeBron is Puka Nakua’s GOAT55:30 - Details of Tee Higgins deal(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Day one of March Madness. In the books. Hey, got an upset already, Ocho. The biggest upset of the tournament thus far. McNeese, number 12, McNeese State. Over number five, Clemson, 69-67. McNeese became the 47th number 12 seed to win a first round game since 1979. And in the process, won his first NCAA tournament game in school history.

The performance comes in wake of coach Will Wade's agreement. He's leaving McNeese at the end of the tourney run to become the head coach of the Wolfpack of NC State. But Wade's transparency with his players and the mission that he had contact with NC State did not become a distraction. He said, Ocho, do you think him leaving propelled his team to spring this upset? I think maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe so. But listen, you know, when it comes to basketball, it's one game. It's not a seven-game series. It's not a five or six-game series.

You go out there and what team shows up that specific day. Your ranking don't matter. It don't matter what you've done during the regular season. Once it comes to March Madness, you got one shot, one shot to get it right. And they got it right. Maybe there might have been some type of motivation behind coach, them knowing coach is leaving, and you want to send him out the right way. And if this is any testament to that, kudos to them.

Yeah. They played really well. The thing is, is that there's a difference between truth and transparency. Talk to me. You see, the truth is you ask me a's a difference between truth and transparency. Talk to me. You see, the truth is, you ask me a question, I tell you the truth. Transparency is you telling me something that I didn't even ask you to tell me. Oh, Joe, I ain't going to do that. Oh, Joe.

No, don't you get that book. Don't you get that book. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. We just started the show. Hey. Hey, I'm going to start. I'm going to start. Oh, Joe. We don't get into the show oh joe i know yeah i think i'll get into the show you're coming out with hot fire already give me that come on now you come on don't

do me like that give me that one more time i gotta write that down i'm telling you that transparency line was unbelievable truth is telling you you, you ask me a question, I tell you the truth. Transparency is telling you something you didn't even ask me. I'm being transparent. You don't even know. See, if you ask, if you tell me, say, blah, blah, blah, so forth and so on.

Yeah, this is what I did. But let me tell you something else that you didn't know. That's being transparent. And there's a difference between the two. And so I think him, even before they found out, he was like, look, guys, I've had contact. There's a possibility I could be leaving you guys and going somewhere else.

And I think that plays a large part. That's what transparency is. People say transparent. I want you to be transparent. Now I think that's a good definition of good understanding is telling someone something they didn't even ask. Now you're being transparent. And so I think this definitely helped. But like you said, Ocho, in a game of this magnitude, when one shot is is, and that's one shining moment.

I just got to be better than you for this day. I got to be better. I got to be a better team. I just got to be better than you today. Yeah, for two hours. That's it. That's it. And they were.

But I think that's, and I think that's why people love March Madness so much, Ocho, because realistically. Yes, realistically, anything can happen on that Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And people like that. Because the underdog is like, man, my team really got a chance to be the Duke, to be the North Carolina, to be the Clemson, to be the UCLA,

or one of these blue blood programs, Kentucky, Kansas. My team, you know what? My team did that. My team really, truly have the chance to do that. So, go ahead. There's a reason they call it March, and the last word is madness. Because ain't no telling what's going to happen, regardless of seating, regardless of the conference, regardless of how small your program may be,

all it takes is what team is showing up that day for two hours. A team get a lot, Ocho, I think for me, a team get hot. And you know, teams get hot. They make 10, 11, 12 threes in a college game? That's huge. They go on the run, all threes in a college game? That's huge. They're going to run all of a sudden. They can't miss. We've seen it before.

We've seen Villanova pull the upset over Georgetown. We've seen NC State take down 5 Slamma Jamma in 1984. No, that was 83. 83, excuse me. 83, the Wolfpack took him down. Because in 84, Georgetown won. Georgetown beat Houston that year.

Because that was the year Akeem ended up turning pro. But, yeah. Oh, got another one, Ocho. Drake is headed to the second round. The Bulldogs just upset Missouri 67-57. Golly. That's a number 11, took down a number 6. Earlier, we had a number 12, took down a number 5.

I think the thing is, we're waiting for that. We're waiting for that 1-16, 2-15, 3-14. Because like the note said earlier, 47 times of 12 is taking down number five. So we've gotten kind of like, we expect 1-12 to take down a five seed in the first round. I mean, we go into the thing. I mean, so when we get this, even though it is an upset because you're ranked five, the other team is ranked 12, 11 versus a six. We're expecting this now because we've seen it happen so much over the years.

So we're not, we're not nearly as shocked, but now when we get a one 16, we got to get a two 15. We got a three 14. Now we're like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa. What's really going on? Really going on. But yeah. Who upsets early. I wonder how many perfect brackets that we still have listen i honestly honestly you would have to make multiple brackets yeah for sure make multiple brackets with multiple scenarios for your bracket to be right there's no way in hell people are guessing the bracket on one shot with some of the upsets and getting it right because if you are and if you're able to do it,

and you're out there, and your bracket is still intact today, you need to give me the numbers to make it millions in the lotto. In Powerball? And pick five. Please, please do. I mean, the first round is really not that hard because I think Warren Buffett had a thing that if you compete a perfect bracket and pick

the national champ, you'll get a billion dollars. Well, that ain't gonna happen. You've got a better chance of winning the lottery than picking a perfect bracket all the way through and getting the national champion right. You've got a better chance. I mean, think about it, Ocho. Every single round from 64

to 32 to 16 to 8 to 4. And to get it, that ain't happening. Well, you get that right. That ain't none but God's grace and favor. Well, you better let God pick it then. You better not pick it. You better let him pick it.

You better let him fill out your bracket. Ocho, the number eight, Gonzaga. The Zags beat number nine, the Zags, beat number nine Georgia Bulldogs, 89-68. The Zags look to be drastically underseeded as the number eight made easy work over the Georgia Bulldogs. Gonzaga

has now played 26 straight NCAA tournament games. Georgia was playing for the first time since 2015. One team looked very, very comfortable on this stage. The other team did not. The Jags jumped out to a 27-3 lead and never looked back. Georgia had 13 turnovers, shot just 5 of 26 from the three,

including back-to-back air balls at one point in the first half. They trailed by 25 points on multiple occasions. Look, I think didn't Gonzaga just play for the national championship a couple of years ago? And, you know, they have really good players. They had Jalen Sugg come out of there, or Timmy, or Chet Holmgren. So they've had Rui Hachimura. They've had some guys, some really good players come out of Gonzaga.

So I'm not surprised. I definitely would, even though there were a higher seed i would have put i would have picked the zags to beat the bulldog yeah absolutely i mean you've been there that many times uh uh i don't think anybody's surprised that the zags i'm probably the only people that uh that that that picked them were bulldog fans on saturday get ready to see how good the zags are they'll try to beat beat the top-seeded Houston Cougars to make their 10th straight Sweet 16. Hey, now that's going to be a good one. Now that's going to be a good one.

We got to be able to handle that pressure. Drew Timmy. That's who. Oh, damn. What, what, what, what? Number 10, Arkansas Razorbacks took down the number seven Kansas Jayhawks, 79-72 in a game of runs between two championship coaches. Seven seed Kansas escaped the win with eight ties and 10 different lead changes.

The number 10 Arkansas Razorbacks used a 7-0 run to give Coach John Calipari a 79-72 victory over the Jayhawks and Bill Self in the Providence Road Island. What do you think? I mean, Coach K left. The criticisms became a little bit unbearable because I held up, bro. Every year,

think about all the first-round draft picks that you've had, all the number one overall draft picks that you've had, and you've one overall draft picks that you've had, and you've only got one national championship to show. And Kentucky is about championships. Coach Rupp, Chubby Smith, Rick Pitino, even Caleb Stagg won, but you got number one overall pick Anthony Davis. You got Carl Anthony Towns.

You got Boogie Covey. You got number one John Wall. You got Shea Gildress. You got Tyler Hero. You got Jamal Murray. You got Devin Booker. You got Shea Gildress. You got Tyler Hero. You got Jamal Murray. You got Devin Booker. You got Vanderbilt. Come on, coach.

Listen, it's been a farm system for them. It's been a farm system for them. In and out with number one picks, some of the greatest, not only to play collegiate football, but some of the greatest also in the NBA. But also, Uncle, you got to think about it. Think about who they were losing to.

They weren't losing to no scrub. They were also losing to other players that played well collectively as a group. Now, usually we name in one-offs of great players that happen to be on a team, but the team that they lost to... But you do realize that John Wall and Boogie Cousins was on the same team, right? Oh, yeah.

They was on the same team, but that's why that's the key word that you heard me say. The team that they lost to played together collectively as a group much better than them as a two-headed monster. Sophomore, they are, the team that's beating them are sophomores, juniors,

and seniors sprinkled in. Oh, yeah. Where they're just one and done. And look, try to learn how to play together. Exactly. All these guys, Murray was the guy.

Booth was the guy. Hero was the guy. All these guys, Murray was the guy. Booth was the guy. Hero was the guy. All these guys were the guy. Now you're asking all these five stars to come together and say,

okay, bro, for the common good, hey, do what we need. It's hard. It's really hard because everybody has the same ambition is to go play in the NBA.

But in order to get there, you're going to have to have sacrifices. And it's hard. I mean, you look at the teams that win, they got juniors and seniors sprinkled in there. Look at UConn. They're not

as deep as far as juniors and seniors, and they're struggling. Obviously, they don't have the same talent. You lose Klingon, then you lose Castle, you lose some of these other guys, and so you're going to struggle. Coach Cal got it done in Arkansas's first win in a tournament

as head coach of Arkansas. We know he was at a lot of different places. Where was he? At UMass. He ended up going to – he was an NBA. Then he goes to Memphis. Then he goes to Kentucky. Stayed in Kentucky for a number of years.

He did win a national championship. But he moves on and he gets his win there. The number one seed is Auburn and Houston. Both take care of business. Auburn beat Alabama State 83-63. Auburn crews behind 23 points from Miles Kelly. And 14 points, 11 rebounds from player of the year candidate Johnny Brome. Setting up Saturday date with the number nine Creighton,

Houston will play SIU Edwardsville. Oh, they beat SIU Edwardsville 78-40. Kevin Sampson was able to rest his starter for much of the second half after building a 28-point lead in the first half. No starter played more than 23 minutes houston has been haunted by injuries in the ncaa tournament the last three years but it cruised into the second round with his entire rotation intact so no surprise i mean i think some people a lot of people probably got houston going all the way through at least advancing

to the elite eight if not the final four. Now listen, who did you say Houston has coming up? They play Gonzaga on Saturday, right? Yes. In his age? Yep. Okay. I don't think I'm... Listen, I ain't no telling what's going to happen, it's one day, but Houston is good. Houston is very, very good,

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The Boston Celtics has been sold for $6.1 billion, the highest price ever paid for a North American sports franchise in history. The Boston Celtics will have a new owner for the first time in more than two decades. Bill Chisholm, the managing partner of Symphony Technology Group, STG, will buy the franchise at a price of $6.1 billion. The sale price is the largest for a North American franchise, topping the $6.05 billion the group led by Josh Harris paid for the Washington Commanders in 2023. And far surpassing the $4 billion that Phoenix Suns got from Matt Ishba when he brought the team the same year. The Gross Bet Group

brought the Boston Celtics, Ojo, for $360 million and now sells it for almost 20 times what they call in business 20x as much. Yeah, most definitely you know bill children

yeah if you had if you had let's say 10 billion oh talk to me you got 10 billion dollars would you buy a sports franchise not only would i buy a sports franchise i'm buying three sports franchises and i'm gonna which one where i'm gonna I'm going to tell you where I'm going to go. First of all, you listening to me? I'm listening. Stay with me now. If I had $10 billion, for one, I'm going to talk to Mike Brown and Katie and Duke Tobin. That didn't happen.

Go somewhere else. That family, mom and pop, they ain't selling that. Okay, boom. So if I can't get that, I'm going to Naples, Italy. Okay. I'm going to buy Napoli. You know my love, enthusiastic passion for the game of soccer and the beautiful game. Yes.

I want to own a franchise. I don't want to be a minority owner. I'm talking about majority owner. I want to own Napoli. Okay. Do everything I went, do everything in my power bringing in all type of players. You know? Because I'm going to have the money. I'm going to have the money to get the kind of team I want,

bringing superstars. Second thing I'm going to do, I'm going to buy the Miami Heat. You think, hold on, you just saw what the Celtics went for? How much money do you think you'll have to spend to get Napoli? Well, listen, oh, to get Napoli? Oh, that's a good one. I'm not sure how much that franchise and the NDC will cost me. But again, I'm going to get the Miami Heat.

I'm going to have to remove Pat Riley because Pat Riley's way of doing things isn't conducive for business with today's era of players. And this is Miami. Yes. This is Miami, and players don't want to come play in Miami. Miami is a melting pot for ethnicities And culture how does nobody want to come Play here no superstars Listen we got Bam we got Tyler

Hero Again I understand That but we can't get any superstars We need one more Jimmy left True So boom that's two Napoli And the Miami Heat. Now, I'm not sure how much I'm going to have left over

because I don't know how much Napoli would cost me. Chad, you would probably know better than I can because you can do your homework for me real quick while I'll be talking about it. And the rest of that, I'm going to sit on and I'm going to open up a cigar lounge. Oh, my goodness. That's it.

$980 million. So, basically, they're going to probably upcharge. So, million. So you got, so you got, so basically they're going to, they're going to probably upcharge. So 10%, so they're going to charge you a billion. So you get a charge, they're going to charge you a billion,

1.1. Yeah. Okay. So now you got 8.9. Okay. Yeah. NFL, you want to get an NFL team.

I mean, you told me I can't, you can't, what about the Dolphins? You think Stephen, Stephen Ross is saying I'm going to be the Dolphins? He might,

he might be willing to say you're a majority share. How much we talk about with't, what about the Dolphins? You think Stephen, Stephen Ross will sell me the Dolphins? He might, he might be willing to sell you a majority share. How much we talking about with a majority share of the Dolphins? What you think? Probably somewhere between two and a half and three and a half. Oh,

that's done. That's done. That, that is done. And listen, I'm, I'm manifesting this's done. That is done. And listen, I'm manifesting this. I'm manifesting this.

I hope from my mouth to God's ears. Maybe it can happen. Maybe it won't. Let me dream big. I can dream big. If I shoot for the moon and I fall short, ain't no telling what's going to happen.

Normally, Ocho, if like a family-owned business, there need to be internal chaos. Right. We saw that with the Bolins. They ended up selling. They ended up selling the franchise. But if there's not chaos, like I don't believe the Cowboys will ever go for sale. Jerry Jones is going to have that in his trust that the Cowboys are never to be sold.

No matter what. Once he's gone, I mean, hey, I'll be just saying. But like Mike Brown, his dad started that franchise. Yeah. After he got out of Cleveland. That's where the Browns get their name from. Right. And now he went to, you know, Art Modell fired him and so forth and so on. Mr. Modell

bought the team. And then he started the Bengals. Me personally, I don't believe they'll sell it. Nah, they wouldn't. But it's just a thought. It's just a thought. Listen, where I was drafted, where I created, I left my footprint, my

stamp, and just knowing that I could just be an owner of the place where I played at. It would be, it just. Maybe they tell you a minority share. Maybe they sell you 10, 20%. Because it's just hard for me to see, like, even though I think she just passed Virginia McCaskey, who's the daughter of George Hallis, who founded the Bears.

Bears, right. They've only had one owner. The Steelers and the Roonies. The Steelers have owned since 1933. Now, there was one year that I think the McClatchys owned it, and they ended up getting it back. So the Roonies have been, so basically since 1933, okay? You got the Maras and the Tishons. They co-owned the Giants.

Now, it looks like they're willing to sell a minority state, but no controlling aspect. So basically, you know, you're going to get some money, but you don't get no say in the day-to-day operations or coaching and hiring and buying, things like that. So I'm looking at— As a matter of fact— Go ahead. I like that. I don't need no say in day-to-day operations. I want to be in the war room.

I want to be in the war room. Listen, also, I have an eye for talent. I have an eye for talent. I know what things need to look like. Listen, I just want to get my suggestions. Okay, I want to put on my suit and tie. I want to have my Bengals pin. I want to be on the golf court with Mike Brown when we go to training camp.

We're watching the players. You know, what you call it? What you call it? I want to be on the golf court with Mike Brown when we go to training camp. We're watching the players, you know. What you call it? What you call it? An owner's meeting. Yeah, owner's meeting. I'm at the owner's meeting, you know, nice in my suit, in my tie. What else?

NFL Combine, me and Duke Tobin. I'm sitting there with my pen and pad, you know. I got my stopwatch. I mean, most of the only owners there is Jerry. And I don't even know that Jerry showed up this year. Did Jerry go to the combine this year? Normally owners don't go.

They send the general manager. They send, they send everybody. You know, general managers, the scout personnel, things of that nature. But that's me.

I want to be hands on. I want to, I want to be hands on. If I get any type of minority share of the Bengals, you know, God willing, if God wants to bless me with some type of fortune that comes out of nowhere,

listen, I know Mike, listen, Mike Brown, Katie Troy, if this happens, please allow me to put in, you know, and be a part of where it all started. I think that would be a great thing. The fans would love that. Yeah. Huh? Yeah. Can you imagine

me being minority owner of the Bengals, also owning Napoli? Takes a lot, bro. It takes a lot of brand. And then having some piece of the Miami Heat, too? Mm-hmm. Woo-hoo-hoo! Hey, and you know what the good thing about it is? What's that? Someone like me, having some, some, some, a piece of the Miami heat too. Ooh. Hey.

And then, you know what, you know, the good thing about it is that someone like me, if I was able to attain that type of wealth, I'm one of the, I'm one of the few people in the world that wouldn't change. Wouldn't change a thing.

I still be the same, the same, same old, old show. You need to find me. I'm at McDonald's. You want to find me? You can find me at the Cuban spot,

you know, just doing, just doing the same thing I always do. I like that. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. I like that. From my mouth to God's ears. You might better hope maybe buy the Vegas franchise for an NBA team

or hope they get another team, you know, have somebody. Yeah. Want to start another franchise. But it's hard. Right. You're more apt to get somebody to move than they make a hard number, 33. Because you got 32 teams and you got 14 divisions. So that seems to be, NFL kind of seems to be set.

It looks like if anything, the NBA will add two franchises. One in Vegas, and it seems like Seattle is kind of the favorite since they lost to Super Bowl. And you got Vegas. They got a football team. They got a soccer team. I mean, excuse me. They got a hockey team. They got a soccer team. I mean, excuse me. They got a hockey team.

Baseball is coming in a couple years. They got a WNBA squad. So they'll have the four major sports. They'll now, they get a basketball team, and it looks like that thing's going to go for $5, $6 billion. Woo! Yeah. Hey, guys.

I got Coach on the way. Can y'all hear me? Yeah. We got you, Coach. You got us. Yeah, I got Coach on the way. Can y'all hear me? We got you, Coach. You got us? Yeah, I got you. I got y'all. He's about to jump on. What's your name? Kirk.

Kirk, I fucking love you. Yes, sir. I love you. Fucking love you too. Appreciate it. Guys guys we're getting ready to get joined by had injuries not robbed him he was one of the great players in NBA history he's all well on his way

to being the guy that talked about he was the second coming of Magic Johnson a big point guard not only could score but he could facilitate here he is one sent himself Mr. Penny Hardaway. Penny, you got us. Yeah, Kirk's trying to get it right, my man.

Kirk was just on. There it is. What's up? What's up? What's up? Man, we good. Penny was good. What's up with y'all, man?

Hey, you still owe me a one-on-one, man. What's good? Hey, Ocho, you can get that right now. Okay, let me know. Hey, listen, I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do for you. I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to spot you five. You hear me?

I appreciate that. Yeah. I'm going to take those fives. Penny was a four-time All-Star, three-time All-NBA selection, and he's the head coach of the Memphis Tigers. Penny, you match up tomorrow against CSU, Colorado State. You feel comfortable with what you've been able to, your team going into this game? Memphis Tigers, Penny, you match up tomorrow against CSU, Colorado State. You feel comfortable with what you've been able to,

your team going into this game? Because, you know, it's one and done now, Penny. It ain't no, hey, we get ready. Hey, we got to go back to work the next day. You lose this game, your season's over. Yeah, we understand the magnitude of this, man. But this is what you want when you, you know, this is what you live for. When you're an athlete, you live for these days. So we understand the magnitude of what, man. But this is what you want. This is what you live for. When you're an athlete, you live for these days.

We understand the magnitude of what's going on. We understand that they're a really good team. But we are also. At the end of the day, we've got to come and compete. They have a great offense and they play physical on defense. All of that goes along with March Madness, man. We're ready for it.

Yeah. Hey, I want to talk about your NBA career real quick. Looking back at your NBA days, what are some moments on the court that still inspire your approach to the game today as a coach? Looking back at my game and how it inspired me is, I'm sorry, say that again.

Yeah, looking back at your NBA days, what are some moments on the court back then that inspired your approach to the game as a coach out there in Memphis? Well, it's just kill mode. For me, everything I did on the court was kill mode. So I coached the same way. I put that battery in the back of my guy's back, and I'm their biggest fan.

I push them out there and give them the confidence and say, hey, man, be in kill mode and attack mode the entire game. Y'all both were the same way, man. When y'all were on the field and I, hey, man, be in kill mode and attack mode the entire game. Y'all both were the same way, man. You just gotta... When y'all were on the field and I was on the court, every position was to kill the dude that was in front of me. You're right. Penny, let me ask you this, Penny, because I ask a lot of great players, you know, had

Isaiah on and I have Coach Prime, who's a regular contributor. Penny, how do you do it when you're such a great player and the game seemingly came easy to you, even though you do it when you're such a great player and the game seemingly came easy to you even though you weren't? You could see things before they developed. How do you have the patience to realize that, you know what, these guys are probably not going to beat Penny Hardaway?

How do you have the patience? Because you tell a kid something and then he F it up. You go over this in practice and he F it up. You do it in film study and you're like, son, we went over this. How do you have the patience to do what you do, Penny? Man, it's just one of those situations that we say back home was already understood.

It doesn't have to be explained. I understand that they won't be on the level mentally as me, so it doesn't have to be explained. So what I do is I put them in positions to win offensively, and I put them in positions to win as a group defensively. So it's all about team and then their individual gifts that they have, I put them in those positions to be great.

And that's the best thing to do. For me, I know when I played, I was God gifted. I could play all over the court. Coaches gave me the ball. But this guy might need a spot up. He might need a pin down. He might need to play out of closeout. This guy might need an ISO.

So to me, the gift that God gave me was realizing the strengths and putting those guys in their strengths the entire game. And then that patience comes along with that because I'm putting them in a position to win. See, I like that. Did you hear what he just said? Understanding your players' weaknesses and your strengths. Now, I'm not sure if it's easy to do as a basketball coach,

but I wish from a football standpoint, especially at the highest level, if players or not players, if coaches, offensive coordinators understood what their players did well, I think it would make things much easier. You know, being able to manipulate what you like to do based on your player strengths so everyone could play. So offensively, everything could be a little bit better. I love that mentality as a coach. Yeah, for sure, man. You know, because all these scouting reports are going to put them in their weaknesses. So we got to figure out a way to escape those weaknesses and put them in our strengths.

Let me ask you this. The NIL or whatever the case may be, or Actives or whatever the case may be, it's made it a lot more difficult. Because, Penny, you can't get on a coach and coach a kid like they coach you or like you would want to coach because if you get too hard on them, Penny, they're going to jump in the portal on you. Penny, how do you make sure you're trying to make a kid understand or get a kid to understand, son, I'm trying to put you in the best position

that I possibly can to help you succeed without them taking offense to it and going somewhere like, well, hey, I'm not getting the minutes that I need. I'm going here. Or somebody coming in and saying, son, hey, I see you and I can give you $250,000. I can give you $300,000. How do you deal with that now, Penny? Because it's a lot different than when you played.

I think that, you know, what I try to do is make it a partnership and not be all 100% about me. And when I give the guys the money, right, when they come in as a basketball player, I'm going to try to make you as comfortable as possible. But then you got to give me something as well. You know, the work coaches to play for are the coaches that, all right, they're going to come in and change everything that you've ever done in your life and make you somebody that they didn't recruit or somebody that they didn't get out of free agency, right?

So I'm not that coach. When I get you and come and get Shannon Sharp and Ojo, I know who y'all are already. I'm going to put you in this situation and we're going to have a partnership. It ain't going to just be all about me. And when you do that and you stand on the truth with everything that you, that you tell this young man, then they respect that man.

And the respect factor goes a long way. You know, when you respect your coach, you don't want no butthole coach. You don't want no coach that's going to be, you know, all about being anal all the time, being negative all the time,

and not really trying to see your side of things. Because in today's game, you got to see the other kid. You got to see his side. In our era, the coach said what he said, and we just did it. That was it.

Yeah. Yeah. Let me ask you this. What happens when a player comes to you and says, Coach, I need more minutes. I ain't getting the minutes, so I'm going to have to leave. If he's not getting the minutes, that means he doesn't deserve the minutes. Wow.

So I'll stand on the truth. If you ain't getting the minutes you want, that means you ain't stepping up to the plate and putting the work in. We need to work on the unrequired hours as well, not just coming to practice and thinking you're going to get shots up. But what are you doing to affect winning positively, not negatively? You're affecting the winning negatively because you're not coming to the gym, you're not watching film, you're not getting extra work

and waiting on your moment and being ready. Staying ready so you don't have to get ready. A lot of these guys come to the gym during practice, they might make a couple bucks, but they don't sprint the lane. They don't get a stick hand up. They don't take charges. They're not playing tough, multiple efforts. And that's what's going to get you on the floor with me. If you're not on the floor, then you're not stepping up to the plate to what we're needing you to do. And we give it to them in black and white.

We have non-negotiables. These are non-negotiables. If you're not doing these non-negotiables at a high level, you can't get many minutes. And if you're getting minutes, it's going to be small until you get to the level of where you can do those at a high level now what coaching that way with that type of transparency do the players react well like that as opposed to you know you got to think about this today today's era everybody is getting participation trophies they're patting you on the back yeah just for simply being a part of even when you're not doing things the right way. Do they react well to that type of honesty and transparency? They react well to the truth because I love on them as well.

You know, I'm going to be getting in the gym with you. If you're ready to get in the gym, I'm ready. If you're ready to watch film, I'm ready. I'll take them out to lunch. Whatever it needs to happen for us to get that connection to understand, I need you, but you got to do your part too. You're just not going to be given this. And I know what Shannon said, that they'll transfer. But when you have that bond and you give them an opportunity,

you meet me halfway, I'll meet you halfway, and you stand on the truth. That truth is everything. They respect that more. I've had the guys respect that more. You've been in Memphis now for seven seasons. At any point in time in your NBA playing career, did you ever think you'd be a college coach or any coach? Nah, not really.

I was going to be in TV. I was going to go to ESPN, TNT, and do that thing. I wasn't even thinking about coaching at all. Obviously, I had the background, being a point guard, understanding the game, and I've always loved teaching and developing players, but never thought I was going to be a college coach. Go ahead, Ochoa. I was going to say,

I like the fact that you transitioned into coaching and obviously you might have wanted to do TV with as much knowledge of the game that you do have, playing it at a very high level, being very successful at it, and now coaching. Are there any unexpected challenges you have, being that

you know the game so well at the collegiate level? Yeah, because you you you don't they don't see it like you. You want them to see it like you. But it's also a challenge to me to to develop and teach until I get it. That's the that's the drive for me. Right. Right. That's the drive for me to get this young man when he comes in in june to be ready by the time the season starts and as the season goes on to keep teaching him and see him develop into a really good player because every kid that comes to my my team that's been a good player somewhere else they become a great player here because i'm so invested in that in each young man on their skill set their mental off, off-the-court things.

It's a full-time job. It's not just being a coach. Peter, when you shot Blue Trips, did you know much about Shaq, and what did you expect to come out of that movie? Did you ever think, like, damn, man, I sure wish I could play with this fella? You know, we had an Olympic festival. It was like North, South, East, West teams in the summertime. It was held in Minnesota.

And Shaq and I played on the same team for like a half a summer, maybe a month, month and a half or whatever. And we got to know each other, you know, a little bit. But Blue Chips, I used that platform to show Shaq who I was. The whole being about that movie was to get Shaq to understand that he needed me. I auditioned for him, not the movie. Okay, okay, okay. I like that. I like that.

I did that every day. Peter, have you ever thought about, man, if my knee, because I think you had a knee issue. You tried to come back. You end up having, did you end up having a microfracture on that knee? I did. The microfracture took me out. I had seven knee surgeries altogether together, but the last one was microfracture. That was me. Same knee, left knee.

If I'm not mistaken, I think that's where they drain into the bone. They drill into the bone, try to let it drain, try to let it heal on its own. And some people have had microfracture and it worked. I think Rod Woodson, he had microfracture. I think Bruce Smith had microfracture and they've had

eight, ten plus years of great play. It kind of robbed you of your lift, and now you got chronic knee problems. Did you ever think in your wildest dream when you first had this injury that this was the beginning of the end? I didn't, but the thing that was so crazy

was I was playing in Phoenix, and we were playing the Lakers. We were in the Lakers' quarter championship in 2002, and I was playing with a torn meniscus I tore my meniscus in the first round against San Antonio and I kept playing and I got a quarter zone shot every other day just to make it through the through the through the playoffs seeds okay yeah y'all know how that how that is right so I do pain and I was playing with a torn meniscus and Tim Duncan who was much smarter than me he set out that series and didn't play anymore and just meniscus and Tim Duncan, who was much smarter than me, he set out that series and didn't play anymore and just kind of rested

and you know what happened after that, his greatness or whatever. But it did rob me because after I got done with the Lakers series, I still was, I had spring, I had quickness. If you looked at that series, there was about 20 a game. We took those guys to six games and obviously lost. After that, I didn't need the microfracture. I just needed that meniscus area prepared and man i got that uh microfraction that took me out because i still had bouncing spring even though i was feeling some pain right i still had my quickness

i still had my power after that microfracture man my quad depleted and i never got my quad strength back like ever yeah that's the that's the biggest thing penny when you have those surgeries it's the surrounding muscles is that to get that strength back and people realize that oh my knee feel good but if that quad if that hamstring if that calf if those attached muscles if they're not it's not gonna fire and it's not it's not gonna be your stability that's your stability to be able to be able to sustain that up-down because you're doing this every night. Back then, Penny, y'all played at least 75 games. It wasn't no low management where you take 15 games out,

you miss 15, 20 games. You miss 15, 20 games, you were injured. It wasn't no, oh, yeah, Penny got denied off because he doesn't play the back-to-back. He's going to play three games in a week so we won't get Penny the next game off. There was none of that. No, there was none of that at all. But the biggest thing about me, I was going to play three games in a week so we won't get painted the next game off. There was none of that. No, there was none of that at all, but the biggest thing about me, I was going to play for my fans.

I knew people would come to the game to see me, so I wasn't missing no games. I was really, really hurt. I like it. I like it. I didn't ask all my good, juicy questions, but I'm just ready for this one-on-one. That's it.

You grew up in Memphis. You played at Memphis. You coached at Memphis. Is there a scenario where you could see yourself leaving Memphis? Man, that'd be tough. That would be tough. I mean, everybody know I bleed blue, man. And it got kind of rocky last year, so I didn't know where it was going to go.

But honestly, I want to win a championship for my city. I really do. You know, if something comes about, you know, we'll cross that road. But everybody that knows me knows that that blue is in my heart, man. Right. Peter, tell the story how you got the name,

because I think you told the name, your grandma was calling you Pretty, and they thought you said Petty. And so tell the story how you got the name. I was living with my mother until I was five, and then my mom left me with my grandmother. So when I moved to my mom's area of the neighborhood, she used to call me Pretty. And with her Southern accent, it sounded like Penny, honestly. And one day somebody called my house and was like, can I speak to Penny?

Because they thought she was saying, you know, Penny. And she was like, there's no Penny that lives here. And I was like, grandmother, that's me. And that's how it just stuck from that point. I just started letting everybody call me Penny. See, now we understand. Now y'all understand why, how Glorilla, how she sound. She from the same.

She from the same. And I'm listening to my girl, Glow. Yeah, Glow. She from the same area as Penny. Penny, thank you for joining us, bro. Good luck tomorrow night. Good luck throughout the tournament. And when you cut down the nets, come back and join your boy.

I will. And we're going to get that one-on-one. I got you, baby, man. I salute you, baby. Hey, one more thing. Before you go, I need them Galaxy phone positives. I know you got a pair. What size?

12. No, 13. 13. 13. 13. You got that coming. You got that coming. They're going to be there. As soon as I get that home, I got a pair. What size? 12. No, 13. 13. 13. 13. You got that coming. You got that coming. They're going to be there.

As soon as I get that home, I got them out. Appreciate it, Penny. Take care, bro. No doubt. All right. Peace. Mr. One said himself, Penny Hardaway, great dude, man. Ocho.

I don't know how many people remember watching Penny play, but he was a wither with the basketball. He was supposed to be the next Magic Johnson, a guy that was 6'7 and a half. He could score the difference between he and Magic. Magic couldn't score like Penny. Penny could really score the basketball. And he could play with his back.

But he was a big guard like Magic. Magic 6'9. Penny 6'7. We hadn't seen point guards like that. That could handle the ball. Can handle the ball. Handle it. And then think about him and Shaq. Him and Shaq.

In the pick and roll. The lob. Penny getting downhill. Can finish at the rim. Everything. He had the mid-range. Had a nice float game. And that Andrew, like you said, he said he just needed his meniscus cleaned up.

They ended up doing microfracture, and he never recovered. He never recovered, Ocho. God, man, I hate injuries, man. You know, sometimes guys get surgeries, and you're like, damn, guys have back surgery. Look at Gronk. Gronk had a back surgery in college. Went on to have a Hall of Fame career. Like I said, Rod had Microfactor

Bruce Smith if I'm not mistaken had Microfactor they played another eight, nine years Penny it was downhill after that

go ahead Ocho yeah I think about some of the injuries man to some of our greats some of our greats were me

where they weren't able to finish their story Penny Hardaways the Peter Warks, Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, there were a few guys, but yeah.

Like, like, like so many dudes. And I, I wish, I wish technology was a little bit more advanced when they were planning. It gets better every year, Ocho.

Hey, so they could finish their careers the way they should have, because injuries have robbed us to some great stories. Yeah, Gale Sayers. Some great unfinished stories. Because, you know, back then, Ocho, they did that big surgery. They split you.

You had everybody. I remember when I first got into the league. The big scar. Yeah, that big scar right down the middle, that big zipper. Yeah. But now to take the incision that's so small, they done got the way they could. They take part of your patella tendon and repair it.

They do cadavers. They do, man, technology, medical. Modern medicine has improved so much. I mean, normally, if you had an Achilles, that was a death sentence. You had an ACL, that was a death sentence. Now, guys come back stronger, better than ever. Like, hold on. Look at Thomas Davis.

Thomas Davis had three ACL surgeries. He came back and played 15, hold on. Look at Thomas Davis. Thomas Davis had three ACL surgeries. He came back and played 15, 16 years. Went to the Pro Bowl. I think a first or second team All-Pro. Man, it was, you know, when you look at it, though, Joe, it's a... But to watch him, because I'm old enough to remember. I remember him at Memphis. I remember him going to Orlando because they made the swap.

They traded Chris Webber because Orlando got back-to-back number one overall picks. And they ended up trading Chris C. Webb. He ends up going to Golden State. If I'm not mistaken, he goes to Golden State. And then Orlando swaps out and they get Penny. That thing was something of beauty. That was a thing of beauty. What could have been? What could have been?

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go to you. Yeah. So can you tell my brother why he's better than Kobe and Jordan? He's 6'8". Okay. He's 260.

That's fine. He plays the 1-5. He's not playing the 5. He's not guarding a center, but go ahead. He's gone to three different organizations and won. Everywhere he goes, he's had a new coach that he's taken to the NBA finals. Coaches don't matter that much in basketball. Keep going.

Who is the only coach Michael Jordan won NBA championships with? Yeah, one coach. Bill Jackson. Coaches don't matter. He played with other guys. He wasn't only six years in 91 to 98 in the NBA, man.

He played 15 years, bro. There's a point where he was getting bounced in the first round. Right here in the finals. When he was 21 in college,

LeBron was carrying his team to the NBA finals. Year four, carrying Zagowskis to the NBA finals, bro. LeBron was carrying his team to the NBA Finals. Year four, carrying Zagowskis to the NBA Finals, bro. LeBron's better. He has nothing to say. It's just for another time, bro. He has nothing to say, bro. No conversations. Jordan's the

most non, bro. Anyway, we'll move on, bro. You can't talk basketball. We got to talk about basketball. Hey, listen. When it comes to stuff like that, when it comes to topics and then in conversations about who the goat is in different sports uh i think it also comes down to preference because then obviously talk to people like you on who can get very detailed and bring up numbers you use statistics and opinions and not opinions but actually actually facts to support your claims

on who the goat is now when you do that obviously LeBron runs away with it. But then, I hate the comparison, and, you know, comparison is a thief of joy. Yes. When you talk about your Kobe Bryant, you talk about your Michael Jordan, you talk about your LeBron James, we talk about some of the greatest that ever played a game.

And at that point, it becomes preference regardless of what they've done, regardless of the accolades, regardless of how many rings you have, it comes down to preference. When people talk about Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi, who's the best, it comes down to preference because you can nitpick and bring up numbers and bring up trophies and all this other stuff. But when you look at the greatest and what they've been able to accomplish,

and they're so far ahead of everybody else that played the sport. There've been thousands and thousands of basketball players. There've been thousands and thousands of basketball players. There have been thousands and thousands of soccer players, but these two are the Mount Rushmore that have played the game in the history of the game in general. I mean, I just, I hate the comparison. You know, how about we just

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$35.9 million for the 2025 if he dresses for every game and earns $2 million per game roster bonus. And they can move on before the 2026 base salary becomes fully guaranteed. It's not guaranteed for injury because the $10 million guaranteed

2026 roster bonus has offset language they likely owe him nothing if they were to cut him after one year since he'd likely make more elsewhere yeah man listen one thing about it that language

that language always get tricky boy that language that they put in there, it always gets tricky. And the way you just said it, listen, I'm, oh, man, I don't even know what to say. I don't even know what to say. I'll help you out. He wanted to be there because this is a bulldog contract. You know it. That's why you speechless.

Yeah, I just, listen, listen, man. He wanted to be there. Yeah, listen, I he wanted to be there I'm happy to pay him I can't I can't be mad at him Ocho because that's his decision

he wanted to be there he wanted to play with Joe he wanted to play alongside Chase that's the only team that's the team that drafted him

and he felt some sort of loyalty but everybody that heard what I just read y'all know that contract is bull jive

but that's what he wanted. So I can't, I can't, Ocho, we can't be mad. That's not us. I don't know who your attorney was, but my agent would have never let me sign this contract. Oh, I had you. I had the shark. I had you. I had you.

I had you. But listen, I'm going to be happy for him. Regardless of what's in that language, the band is back together. Yeah. I don't like the business side of things, though. That's why I was so passionate about it when we were talking about it, when I was on ESPN, when we on here, we talking about it. I was upset.

I didn't like the first time they tagged them. I told you because to me, it was a slap in the face. Now, for the people that are part of the Bengals organization, the people that are fans of it, I understand the business side of things. That's the side I don't like. Because when you tag me and let me know, you don't value me long term. Right. You know what?

Normally, when the team tags you, you know what? We betting against you, even though you're a part of us. I'm betting against you. That's what it tells me. Again, I love my Bengals. I love the fans. But the nature of the business is the one part I do not like, which is why I played the game like a little kid,

because I want to make sure I kept it fun for me. So I didn't have to worry about that side of it. Because that side of it, it gets nasty. Read what you just wrote. Chat, you just heard it. I don't like that side of it. Because that side of it, it gets nasty. Read what you just wrote. Chat, you just heard it. I don't like that side of things. I like the fact that the band is back together. I like the fact that he got his money.

Now, with the language that I just heard, ain't no telling what's going to happen. Ain't no telling what their plans are after this season. Yep. I'm going to leave it at that. I ain't going to say no more. I'm just happy my dog got his money. You hear me? Got some money.

He got some money. Yeah. But like I said, Ocho, for me, I can't be mad. Yes, sir. Because that's his decision. And at the end of the day, the agent can put forth, it's like, okay, this is what they're offering. This is what we're going to counter back at. Hopefully, you know, this is here. They're here. We're here. Hopefully, we land here.

Because, you know, you want to try to pull somewhere to the middle, Ocho. But at the end of the day, this is T's decision. Because at the end of the day, the agent works at the behest of the player. Team has their negotiator. Player has their negotiator. You get in. I don't want to hear anything because, you know, a lot of times the agents shield you from all the negative stuff they're playing.

I promise you, they're seeing a lot of what people are saying. He's a number two. He's not a number one. Blah, blah, blah. Rock is shielding him for that. Hey, they said, look, they, they, they want to pay you. We just trying to get to a number that, that they can digest and it fits under the cap while giving you the money

that you, that they feel you deserve. Right. While being able to go out and get other players also. So I get it. Right. Like I said, I believe T wanted to be there.

He gave them a discount chat. Like I said, Oh, Joe and I don't really, really need to add anything else about that because at the end of the day, this was T's decision. At the end of the day, Ochoa comes down to T. Listen, we got to get it done. Long, he's happy.

I talked to him. He's happy. You know what you get. You got one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. Top three. Right now. You know what you get. got one of the best quarterbacks in the nfl top three right now you know what you get but we gotta we gotta get it done yeah i i we we i'm literally i'm talking about we gotta get it done well you're you're a bingo fan i mean look you played there there's a sense of loyalty because you played there you played there for a better part of a decade

and so yeah a lot of your roots people associate you with being a bingo. Yeah, you had the one year in New England and other things, but that's not where they associate you. You didn't have a career. It's funny, it's like I ain't never seen anything like this, but

people associate Peyton Manning with the Broncos even though he played the largest part of his career in Indy. He played 14 years, career, Ocho, in the Indy. He played 14 years, if I'm not mistaken, in the Indy. He played four years in Denver and more people. He lives in Denver. His home base is in Denver. You see him talking about Denver.

You see him at the Denver games. The only time I've seen him go back to an indie game, and Chad, y'all can correct me if I'm wrong, is when they put the statue outside of him in front of Lucas Oil. Other than that, Peyton's at the Bronco game.

Hey, whoa, hey. Man, speaking of, hey, I got a question. Yes. I want me a statue right there in front of Pecor Stadium. They ain't got nothing to do with me. I know they don't got nothing to do with you.

How much do you think it costs for me to put it out there? They ain't going to put it out there. No, I'm going to put it out there. Hold on. I'm going to put it out there. I'm going to pay for it and just put it out there. That's private property. Huh?

That's private property. Who property do you belong to? Mike Brown. Man, I am part of the family. Let me tell you something. If I had a knife right now and I was to cut my wrist right now, you know what color I bleed? Black and orange. Chocolate.

Black ass. Matter of fact, hey, Mike Brown, Troy, Katie, Duke Tobin, I'm going, I'm going to wait till everybody's going. In the middle of the night, I'm going to put my own statue out there, about eight foot tall, eight foot tall, with me toe-tapping on the sidelines. Right. I think the people of Cincinnati would love it.

In Denver, we got a monument park where all the guys that have their numbers, like not numbers retired, but have their name up in the ring of fame, you're in the park. Okay. I don't want to be in the park. I want to be right outside the stadium. You can come by, you can rub my head or something for good luck before you go into the game.

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