Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Deebo vs. Ocho, Luka/AD trade, Jey Uso joins

Episode Date: February 8, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top pop culture moments of the week including Ocho wants to fight James Harrison, the Dallas Mavericks trade Luka Doncic to the Los Angeles Lakers for Anthony Davis, WWE Royal Rumble winner Jey Uso joins after ELIMINATING John Cena and much more!03:45 - James Harrison vs. Ocho?23:33 - Luka traded to the Lakers38:24 - Jey Uso joins the show43:00 - Is the trade a wake up call for Luka?50:00 - Jamal Crawford weighs in on Luka trade(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's really going on? I'm making sure you good. You You sure? What's really going on? I'm making sure he good. Do you want to coach? Do I want to coach? I do not want to coach unless it's my kids. I would be willing to do that if it was my kids. But to put actual time.

To put actual time. You understand the time that goes into it. Yes. A lot of time. It's a lot of time that goes into it. For me as a player, I put a lot of time into it. But as a coach, you're putting even that goes into it. Yes. A lot of time. It's a lot of time that goes into it. Like for me as a player, I put a lot of time into it. But as a coach, you're putting even more time into it. No. And that's not something that I'm willing to do.

My love for the game is not that great. Especially, you know, if I'm playing it, I'm going to give you everything I got. Right. I'm going to be there from dusk till dawn. You know, I'm going to do everything I need to do to take care of my body. But just, you know, coaching it, I don't have that left for me. And then you know what it took to be great.

And then you coach and you see guys who are jiving around. Listen, that's something that I would have a hard time with, especially when you're looking at what they could be if they put in, you know in the time, the effort. And that's not just on the field. It's in the weight room. It's in the offseason, especially now where you don't have much practice

and all that. You've got a lot of guys with all these soft tissue injuries. They want to point to the field, the turf, and all that. What you need to point to is guys aren't training like they used to. You aren't putting those forces on your body in the offseason or you're not getting it leading up into the season. You only got three games. Guys play, you know, 20 snaps for the whole preseason. And then, you know, week one come and you're like, hey, give me 100 miles an hour, 65 plays. And you wonder why dudes are tearing and getting all these soft tissue injuries.

It's because they're not preparing their body to go out and play a season. When I trained, my hardest thing was the offseason. Like I put in more work. I put in more strain on my body than I did in any practice. But that's the thing, though, because when you look at it, we played in the preseason. You might only play 10 pre snaps in the first game. And then you went to 20. Then you went to the half, maybe we played in the preseason. You might only play 10 pre-snaps in the first game. Yep. And then you went to 20.

Then you went to the half, maybe a series in the third quarter. You were off the fourth game. Third game. Third game. You got three quarters. That was a three-quarter. Yep. That was the actual game.

Yep. And then the fourth game, you didn't see nothing. That's who they trying to figure out who they go keep, who they going to get rid of, the guys that are on the board. Not guys. The key guys don't play any preseason. At all. Yeah.

And then you throw him out there and you say, hey, give me 65, you know, 70 snaps at 100 miles an hour. And you wonder why the body is breaking down. It's fatigue. The more tired you get, now they're dehydrated. You're talking about 10% less here, 10% less here

of what they can output, but they're trying to force their body to give it. Something has to give. And it's usually soft tissue. I like it. What's next? It's early. It's early in the year. We're only in February 2025.

We got a long way to go. What's next for Devo? What's next, man? I've been trying to get into the acting thing, but they just really don't know. They don't mess with your boy like that. You know what I'm saying? You know what happened?

You taking classes? I'm taking, I'm good, man. I'm real good. I'm trying to tell you, man. Check out Heels. I'm good. Now, I was actually on a whole series now. Check out Heels. It's on Netflix, actually. But I think I might

have upset them by, you know, not taking that shot. So, you know, I rejected it. Coke. Yeah, I rejected that. So I was out of it, you know, when they mandated it. So, you want to do that? You willing to relocate, McAllen? Why I got to relocate?

That's where the gigs are. I understand. I can come out there and do the gigs. I don't need to live there. But I need... Like, see, I got to call you. See, I need to... Hey, James, come in and get this read for this part today.

I can send you the read. All you do is tell, send me, send me what it is you want me to read or record it. Nah, nah, nah. You might be splicing. They need you in person, though. I ain't willing to move like that. Man, you try to be a superstar or not? You try to be the rock or what? Yeah, you can be the next rock. No, I can be far better than rock. I just ain't got the opportunity.

I like that. You see what rock move to Kelly? Rock move to Kelly? I got the opportunity. I like that. You see what rock moved to Cali. Rock moved to Cali? I'm not moving to Cali, man. The traffic is horrendous. Stay away from the 405. You'll be fine. The traffic is horrendous, man.

Go to the valley. The cost of living is out of control. True. Man, you know what I could get in Pittsburgh for what they want in L.A.? Yeah, I know. I could have the city. Oh, yeah, for what a house cost out there? Oh, yeah, for sure. No question. Man, they think you the

Roonies. For what you build in Pittsburgh, for what you pay for in Arizona. Ocali, man, absolutely. But I thought you wanted to use in the fight. Into the what? The fight game. No, I'm not were in the fight. Into the what? The fight game.

No, I'm not really into the fight game. My son is into the fight game. Like, what you talking about? Like, fighting like... MMA. With Fizz? MMA. Yeah, he likes to do MMA.

How old is he now? 17. Okay. But I ain't letting him do nothing thus far. Why? Because he got to gain weight to play ball. Why don't you spar? I ain't got no weight.

I'll spar you. Anytime, man. No, for real. Why don't you spar? Oh, I'm dancing anytime. Nah, he think it's a game. This shit different over here, man. Hey, you sweet on that.

You know what's funny? After I did my exhibition, and I had a few fights, a few local fights in Miami, my hands are registered now. They registered with who? I didn't have, with Vegas. I ain't had no choice but to register.

What you mean? You know with who. Stop playing with me, man. Fuck. Come across this table, cross your head, boy. Come on, man. All you need to do is swing. I'll take you to anything else.

Really? That's it, man. Really? That's it. You want a box of that or MMA? Oh, I'm MMA all day. I don't care. He can kick all he want to. I don't need to kick. What you going to do? All I need to do is grab you. You ain't going to grab shit.? Oh, I'm MMA all day. I don't care. He can kick all he want to. I don't need to kick.

What you going to do? All I need to do is grab you. You ain't going to grab shit. Nigga, I'll beat your ass. You got me in the ass. I'm going to choke your life out you. They're going to have to choke me out to get you to let go. Hold on.

Hold on. Help me understand something. You tell me we get in the octagon, right? Me, you get in the octagon. Are you going to run? No. What the fuck? Run from who?

Did I run from you when we played? Did I run from you when we played? Did I run from anybody when we played? No, it's no different. I have the same mentality. So we get an octagon. We can make this happen. Hold on. We get an octagon.

You tell me you're going to try to grab me, and you think you're going to be able to do so. Understanding as quick as I am, with these feet, understanding these hands, you're going to grab me. Listen, man. Fighting you would be like fighting my son. You know what? Practice.

Can you do me a favor? Yes. As God is my will, please make this happen so I can beat you. We gonna make it happen. Hey, Chad, y'all wanna see that? Y'all wanna see MMA, Ochoa against Debo? Fight it or the Citrus. This way. For one, listen, people in the chat, he's too slow,

too much muscle. I'm finna dance around that shit. I'm going to hit you in your head. I'm going to hit you when I want to. I'm going to play with you. Hey, Peezy. Listen, man. Hey, Peezy. Hey, listen.

I beat his ass too. Peezy, get up here, man. Get up here, man. I beat his ass too. It don't matter. Peezy ain't got it It don't matter. God damn, bro. He ain't got it like he used to, man. What's up, bro?

What's up, man? No, hey, man. He talking about whooping ass. Oh, for the whooping ass in the game. What you mean? What's the difference? Hey, listen. Just because he's sitting here, just because he's sitting here, my tone don't change for nobody.

It don't need to change, man. I beat your ass and I beat his ass. It ain't happening. He won't give you both an MMA. He won't be an MMA. It's still Chad. He always gonna talk crazy.

It's one thing about talking, but you know I'm gonna get in there and I'm gonna thump. It's gonna be a try. I'm gonna beat his ass, man. How much weight? 205 right now. Man, you're going to pick that little shit up with one hand. How you going to pick it up?

Because he's going to pick that shit up with one hand. How? Y'all couldn't even touch me when I played. What make you think you're going to touch me now? I couldn't touch you when you played. I slammed you on your head, on your neck. Doing that. Doing that.

Doing that. On your neck. On your neck. On your neck. Hey, hey, hey. He still lift in a different way. I still lift in a different way. Not like that. They different. They still. They still. And he ain't built like me, man. Nigga just big, man. I still lift in a different way. Not like that.

They different. They still. They still. They still. They still. They still. They still. They still.

They still. They still. They still. They still. They still. They still. They still. They still.

They still. They still. They still. They still. Nigga just big, man. I don't see that shit, man. Y'all got me fucked up. Nigga, beat your ass.

What? What? Y'all talking. Run it. Man, stop playing with me, man. You playing with me, man. Run it. I got you.

Hey, I'm putting all my money. I ain't. I'm putting all my money on D-Bo. How much you got? Run it. Man, the way my body set up, I can't do no helping. You betting against me? Yeah.

Bet. You can invest. You think shit's sweet, boy? You think shit's sweet? You know where I'm from? Are y'all playing or are you for real? No, no. Where am I from?

Where I'm from? You think you want MMA? No, no. Where am I from? Where am I from? Man. We're going to make it happen. You know, Ocho be really believing what he be saying sometimes. It could be outside. It don't matter. Wherever. No, we're going to pay for that.

I'm done with you wherever, boy. Don't mess up my money. I'm done with you wherever, boy. Don't mess up no money. Fuck wrong with this nigga's ass. I need the brakes off his ass. Oh, fuck. Dude.

You talking about brakes? This ain't no car, nigga. I need the brakes off his ass. You talking about brakes? This ain't no car, nigga. You. All right. What we gonna do is we gonna get advertising sponsors. How the hell I get

called up for this conversation? You too slow. You not quick enough. I have a skill set that I've honed over years that you ain't gonna be able to deal with, boy. Absolutely destroyed.

All right. Okay. I'm gonna tell you this. I'm gonna be honest with you. Yeah. You fast. Quick. Quick'm going to tell you this. I'm going to be honest with you. You fast. Quick. You all that.

Hands. I got ground game. What? You and I. Stop with the wrestling. You don't want to grab me. Stop with the grabbing. Stop with the grabbing.

You better stop. Man, for real. It's a guillotine. Let's be honest. Stop with the grabbing. Hit and run. You know he don't want to get in the car with no license or insurance. Stop with the grabbing. Hit and run. You know he don't want to get in the grabbing game. I know he don't.

I know he don't. This is what I'm more worried about. I'm more worried about he might eat that little shit you throw at him. No, forget what I told you. He ain't conditioned like I am. He's going to be tired in two seconds. He's going to try to throw a punch. You're going to try to throw my weight back?

You said MMA. He's not grabbing me stop saying that before I hit you in your mouth don't say that no more how the hell I get on this I was walking by now I'm about to get hit in my mouth

boy god damn because y'all disrespecting me y'all think they can hey man you know the AFC hey Peezy you know I AFC Northfield hey

it'll be forever I don't like I don't like that people look at size and they determine wins and losses based off size. You saw David and Goliath. Remember that story, right? Man, that was the Bible. Remember that story?

Remember what happened? You ain't in there. Huh? Yeah. Don't do that. Don't try to paint yourself up to be David. You read the Bible? Yeah, I read.

But you ain't. Do you read the Bible? Neither one of us is David or Goliath. Do you read the Bible? Yes, neither one of us is David the Bible? Yes. Start reading. Boy, you good. I ain't going to need it. I thought you was good back in the day.

You know what? I ain't been around you in a minute. You got better. Chad, listen. You heard me? Chad, listen. Let me talk to you. Shay, Shay.

He done got good. This ain't no joke. Y'all take my life He done got good. This ain't no joke. Y'all take my life for a joke. My life ain't no joke. All my kids, I'm going to fuck you up. See all that? All that talking crazy. All that crazy.

I'm going to bust you in your mouth. Call me on Google. I'm like, oh boy. What's going on? I put that on my kids. You know I don't play by my kids. I got 200 of them. I got you. But you good. Boy, you good. I'm I don't play by my kids. I got 200 of them. I got you.

But you good. Boy, you good. I'm going to show you I'm good. No, you really good. In the octagon, I'm going to show you I'm good. Hold on. Oh, my God. What you got to do?

You got something to say? Listen, man. I accepted my Lord and Savior in August of this past year, man. I was baptized. You were? Yeah. Well, mine went off. I got to get baptized.

And see, what you about to make me do is go totally outside what I said I was going. You were? Yeah. Well, mine went off. I got to get baptized. And see, what you about to make me do is go totally outside what I said I was going to do. Of your character, right? No. Listen, man. I think I might... I've been trying to

hold this thing inside of me for a long time. Because ever since I got, like, fined by Roger Goodell for $75,000, I've been wanting to kill somebody. I think you might be the person. That's fine.

I think God done brought you to me. That's fine. That's fine. Whatever you want to do. You know? Matter of fact, if you beat me, I'll add a $75,000 to your purse if you beat me. How about that? Hell. So you get your money back. That's how serious I am. Oh. You gonna give me that? I give it back. You might as well just write that right now. You got me fucked up, man.

You might as well write that. How can I get involved in this? Y'all talking about making some money. Shay, when we come in here? Where's my part? Hold on. I got it. I'll tell you what part. You're going to be the nigga cut man.

All right. I ain't going to work that day, dude. I ain't going to work. There's going to be no work, dog. Do my check come or do I do nothing? Hold on. So, hold on. I got three.

Because I'll walk down there. I'll bring him out. Hold on. So, you don't believe in me. No. You don't believe me. I believe you. And you talking shit. What you think? Okay. What the hell I look like believing in you don't believe in me? No. You don't believe in me? I believe in you. And you talking shit?

What you think? Okay. What the hell I look like believing in you and going against me? You got life, all that stuff. I don't care where you from.

I'm from Akron, Ohio. That don't mean nothing. You from where? Akron, Ohio. I'm going to break the brakes off your ass. You from Akron? Yeah.

I'm from Philly City. Who? Dade County. I don't even know where that is. I know. Oh, you don't know? You don't know. You're going to know

when I lump your ass up, bitch. That ain't it. All right. I got my money. All right. Run it. How did I get into this? When did y'all be able to talk like that? You know what?

When did that come out? Matter of fact, I'm doing too much talking. Yes, you are. I'm doing too much talking. Yes, you are. Let's just set the shit up, man. Run it. When you want it?

Yeah, man. Tomorrow? No, it don't matter. Nigga, we can do it now. We can do it now in front of everybody. It don't make me none. It don't matter where I'm at. Run it. Nigga, run it. Nigga, we can do it now. We can do it now in front of everybody. It don't make me none. It don't matter where I'm at. Run it.

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Run it. Run it. Run it. If you see him, if you see him, you save the bell. No, no, no. Listen, I'm trying to tell you, he's that pit bull that if he's, if you get close enough, he's going to grab your ass. You said I pulled you down, right? You said what? I pulled you down for a reason. He's a what?

I pulled you down for a reason. Hey, we got to save you. You playing. Nigga's fat. I'm not playing. He's dead ass. Oh, yeah, I'm going to set it up. Hey, please, we got this.

It's me. Oh, we're going to make this. Talking about he's serious. What you think I am? Playing. I ain't playing. Did I play with you on Sundays? Yeah.

He come to me. Peeves, let's act like we about to fight before the game. I said, no, man. They're going to throw me out for real. I ain't got time to mess with you, CJ. Like, I'm going to be. He pull up with his shirt rolled up. Come on, man.

Let's get. I said, no, man. They're going to throw me out for real. And you're going to get the play. But it's the thing. This ain't football anymore. This is real life. This is real life.

And you tested my manhood and you disrespected me. Are you going to? No. OK, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. How much time do you need to get the knee right? Oh, I don't want no excuses.

That's going to be his first excuse when he lose. Oh, my knee was messed up. Oh, my knee was... I can do that right now. I had a meniscus. I had a meniscus. I'm here till tomorrow. Y'all bring me back.

I'm here till tomorrow. I'm going to go run and do my thing. Oh, my knee. Hit me back. I need some more of this, man. I need to get my content up. I'm going to beat that nigga ass, man. I tell you what, man.

You give it time. Whatever you need to do, Shay, give him the time and he gonna need to gain some weight. I don't need to gain no weight. I think six months will be good enough. Can you be ready in six months? I can be ready tomorrow, man. No, we need time. We gotta sell this.

Well, shit. Now he quiet. Now he quiet. Soft ass. Soft ass. I see quiet. He quiet. Soft ass. Ain't nobody quiet. Soft ass. Okay. Soft ass.

You soft, boy. I see through all that shit. I see through all that muscle. Shit ain't about nothing, boy. You got the right one. Dog, I'm going to. You got the right one, baby. I'm going to try to see what he said in the chat.

Because I beat the chat ass too. See, man, listen. We're going to have to listen. I'm tired. I'm not listening. I'm Helen Keller. Don't talk to me. You're trying to make me laugh. Laugh for what? Because whatever you smile, we're going to be missing. All right, bet.

You got to get it. He asked for this. I'm going to give you. I don't bust your ass too bad. Okay. All right, bet. Nah, nah, you got to get it. Bet. You got to get it. Hey, he asked for this. He asked for this. Oh, I'm going to give you anything you're looking for. March, April, May, June, July, August. I think August will be about the right amount of time.

I don't need it. I'm good now. You better talk to him. Hey, Ryan, I'm going to fuck him up. Lies. All right. I got Debo chat. That's fine.

You know, I want you to better get Because my teachers in high school said the same thing They didn't believe in me and look what I became Look where I've come Ass who you got Debo Okay Aaron who you got

Thank you Somebody that believe in me That's Ocho's producer Aaron Unfortunately Put all your money on him too Thank you. Thank you. Somebody that believe in me. That's Ocho's producer, Aaron. Okay. Unfortunately, uh... Put all your money on him, too. James Harrison, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us, Deebo, man. Appreciate it. Hey, get right. Get the knee right. Yeah, get right.

Get right. Yeah, I know. I know. I thought playing football was easy. Okay. That's gonna be the easiest money you ever made. Okay. Ever made. We'll see.

You owe the money right. Yeah, we'll see. The money gonna pay you back for the money. We'll see. Yes. That's how I know he gonna get his ass up because he worried about the money. No.

I'm going in for business. You going in for business? I'm going in for business. What you doing after the show? Huh? What you doing after the show? I'm gonna go to the French Quarter and smoke a cigar. You wanna go? Tell? I'm going in for business. What you doing after the show? Huh? What you doing after the show? I'm going to go to the French Quarter and smoke a cigar. You want to go?

Tell me where you're going. I'll meet you there. Okay, bet. We can take care of it then. I just told you. I just told you. I'm going to be in the French Quarter. I'm going to be in the French Quarter smoking a cigar.

Okay. So whatever you want to do. Yeah. All right. We got our next guest coming to the stage, Ocho. Hey. I ain't even shaking your hand. Go on here, yo.

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I like it. I like it. I like it. He's remaining very, very, very professional. Obviously, you don't have a choice at this point. You know, whatever issues were going on behind the scenes, it had to be egregious. It had to be something so bad for them to trade someone of that magnitude that is that great. They were just in the finals last year.

They were just in the NBA finals last year. Was he the average again? If I'm not mistaken, you know better than I do. He averaged like 34-9-9 in the regular season. That's crazy work. 34-9-9 in the regular season. You take your team to the NBA finals, the following season, they trade you. And not that you asked to be traded. Ocho, people are dogging

Nico. Luka became the first player to lead the playoffs in points, rebounds, assists, and steals last season. Yeah. That's crazy, man. That's what I kept telling Mark.

It might have some... It's my – you know what? I don't want to say nothing because I don't want to be rude. Listen, and this is what I told Jamal and y'all heard it. In order for you to trade a player like this in his prime, giving him the accolades five times he's been a first-team All-Pro in his first six seasons. The behavior, the attitude had to be so egregious. He said, we're done with you.

There's no getting through to him. And I believe what Jack was saying is that the coaches, I believe they've tried. I don't believe it's a lack of effort that they've tried, but you've got to want it as bad as I want it for you. Because if I want something more than you want it for yourself, you're going to win out because it's you. You know what you want.

You know what you have to do. Because guess what? He wanted to be an NBA player. Ain't nobody had to take him to the practices. Ain't nobody had to do what they had to do. He did that because that's what he wanted. If and when Luka wants to get in shape, if and when Luka wants to take his condition serious, if and when Luka want to eat right, that's what he's going to do.

That's what he's going to do. It's just like anything. When a person makes up their mind, they got an addiction to something. When that person makes up their mind, see, we create our demons, only we can chase them away. If and when he wants that to be an afterthought.

How do you want it to be? You want it to be your story or you want it to be a footnote? Because you get to determine. Wait a minute, but you think get to determine. Wait a minute. But you think you slick now. Hold on now. Hold on.

Hold on. I got to use that. I got to use that. I got to use that. I get a prime example. You heard what Jokic put up those numbers. But Jokic said I was fat. I was out of shape.

So I stopped drinking soda. I cut back on soda. Dropped weight. Now he's a three-time league MVP. Shaq is going to cut. It's right now. it's him and Shea Gilgis. I would give Shea a slight lead. His team

is better. He's putting up phenomenal numbers. Go look at Jokic's numbers and look at what he does on a nightly basis. I know you're not a record player, but I need you to rewind and give me that footnote quote again. You want that to be your story or you want it to be a footnote in your story? Because the thing about Ocho, it's our career.

We get to write it. We got to be it. You get to write the Ocho story. I get to write the Shannon Sharp story. But that was a good one. Like I said, everybody knows how I feel about Luka. Luka, my guy.

I gave him the name Baby Bird. He's like I said, when LeBron leaves, he's going to probably be my favorite player. No question about it. Because my favorite player was Larry Bird. He's the closest thing for that type of player that I've seen to Bird. And I just, like Jack said, Ocho, he cost himself a – now he was eligible to get $345.

Now the max he can get is $229. That's real money. I mean, you got to think about it, huh? And listen, what can you get with $345 you can't give a 229 I want that I want all that or y'all would all that oh let me think about Ocho this dude was in line to get 70 million a year and in five years Luca would been 30. He'd have been eligible to get 400. Another one.

That's crazy. Maybe more. That's crazy. But this might be a wake-up call. I hope so. Sometimes it takes something like this. Sometimes it takes something like this. I wouldn't say humble you. Maybe humble might be the right word

because we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Obviously, you're not being humble if they're willing to trade you at 25 with the type of production you're putting up. This might be a humble moment. And I hope it pisses him off.

Yeah. Because he might get a different Luka. You know, a pissed off Luka might be worse than the Luka that was chilling, drinking beer, you know, playing around. The man had a 60 point, the man had a 60 point 20 rebound triple double. Man, stop playing.

The dude is, is, is, but see, Ocho, when you in the profession, I keep telling people, but they tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. Y'all will listen now. People will tolerate you until they can replace you. It can be sports. It can be in a relationship.

Treat your significant other like crap and let them run across a person that'll treat them better. You gone. Yeah. Oh, let me do it. As long as I'm doing my job. That's not the way it works.

Now, if you want to be however you want to be, create your own company and you create a dress code. You create coming to work, doing however you want to be. But as long as you punch that clock for somebody else, literally, figuratively, you got to do it. Ain't no other way around it. Ain't no other way around it. Ain't no other way around it. Y'all get way around it. Ain't no other way around it.

Y'all get mad all you want to, but I'm just telling you the facts. Yeah. And people that don't understand that, you have to ask yourself, why don't they understand it? Why don't they get it? 25, five-time first-team All-NBA. And they said, nah, we good. Normally, guys at that age, when they get traded, they requested a trade. Right.

They requested it. He didn't request it. He didn't know anything about it. My antenna perked up when Rick Carlislele wouldn't sign an extension do you know normally coaches get fired doug collins got fired uh i'm trying to think who's his first coach who's doug collins was it raftery who's uh uh michael jordan's first coach coach. But normally, if you get a guy like that, you don't not sign an extension. You don't resign. They fire you because you're not getting the job done. You don't walk away because you know how hard it is to get a guy like that.

Right. Kevin who? Lowry. Yeah. The writing must have been on the wall. Mr. Carlisle saw it, you know, and he didn't want to deal with it. I mean, as a coach, how does that really affect you if you have a player? It's difficult now.

What he's doing on the court? How could you still not want to be there because of that? They're going to – it's – that's on – I hope he gets it. I hope he figures it out, Ocho. Because the talent is there. There's no undenying it. But Ocho, I mean, because here's the thing, Ocho. If you exhibit this and you're making $35 million, what you going to do when I give you $70?

You know what happens when you give me you give somebody more money you know what happens and so they just like I'm surprised they didn't but I think the thing is Nico like he had a relationship with Rob Palenka as you heard I think the thing is, Nico, he had a relationship with Rob Palenka.

As you heard, I think that was either Jack or Jamal said Rob Palenka was Kobe's agent. Nico Harrison used to work for Nike. So there's a relationship. This didn't get out. See, if you open it up to other teams, Ocho, it's going to get out. The reports are Luka is being shopped.

Reports are AD is being shopped. You see, now, you know what, Ocho? I'm glad this happened like this. Now y'all see, when they start reporting stuff, they ain't making it up. See, y'all quick, the media made it up.

You see how it didn't get out? Because ain't nobody wanted it out. Yeah, but you know why it didn't get out? Because there't nobody wanted it out. Yeah, but you know why it didn't get out? Because there were only two teams involved. The Dallas Mavericks and that Los Angeles Lakers. And nobody wanted it out. Yeah, oh yeah. Absolutely, because I guarantee

you they kept it between two people. Mr. Niko and Palenka. I bet nobody else knew about it. It's reported that Mark Cuban didn't know about it. It's reported that Mark Cuban didn't know about it. It's reported that Jason Kidd didn't know about it. Anthony Davis didn't know about it. Rich Paul didn't know about it. LeBron didn't know about it.

That's why it didn't get out. Because they kept between two people. The two people that had the power to get the job done. It's kind of a blessing because he's like, you know what? We want to move him,

but hey, at least move him to LA. Because everybody's opening up the coffers. Everybody opening it up. What you want? Yeah.

Give us AD and a first round pick and Max Christie. That's it? Okay. Okay. Bet. Bet. Bet.

But hopefully Luka gets his condition, gets his eating habits under control, takes it a little bit more serious. Look, Ocho, he ain't never going to be able to sit down in a chair. He ain't going to be Kobe. He ain't going to be Jordan. He ain't going to be LeBron or Kawhi in their prime. That's not what he is. But he's great at what he does.

But you can't, Ocho, you can't just open the door and let the man come in the house and then talk about, hey, man, he robbed our house. Y'all should have locked the door. Bro, that's your guy. Right. That's your guy. But hopefully he figured this out, Ocho. Ocho, people are dogging Nico Harrison for comments he made earlier. Let's take a listen.

And I'd like to give Rob Palenka a lot of credit. You know, trades, you guys have been around here. Trades don't happen at the smallest level without stuff getting out. And Rob and I were able to have, you know, really intense conversations over the course of, you know, three or four weeks. It started out as a coffee that, you know, was more, hey, would you ever? I don't know. Would I? Let me think.

You know, and then it built upon that. And, you know, we kept it between us. We had to, we had to keep it tight. J. Kidd didn't know about it, but J. Kidd and I are aligned and we talk about archetypes and we talk about the culture that we want to create. So I know the type of players that he likes without actually talking to him. Hey, would you like, you know, so I know that. And J.K. coached them when they won the championship. So I think when you're aligned with your coach like that, I know the type of players that he likes. And so I felt good about it making sense

to where we're trying to go. How does it? Ocho, the mere fact that you's like, hey, man, would you, Ocho, if it? Ocho, the mere fact that you're like, hey, man, would you? Ocho, if it ever comes up, man, would you cheat on your wife? Would you cheat on your girl? No, I was just playing. I was just playing.

You already put that thought out there? You thought about it? Yeah, yeah. You thinking about it, Ocho? The mere fact. Right. Hey, would you trade Luka? I don't know.

What? Nah, I'd die, man. I'd die, I wouldn't train no Luka, man. Stop, stop. Yeah. Yeah. Uh-uh. Hey, kid, like, don't speak for me. Hey.

Kid, like, I don't care if he 300. All I know is he give me 30 plus 9 and 8. Every night. But here's the thing, that's how it doesn't get out. Oh, Joe, normally two people can keep a secret but one normally has to be dead. Yeah, because the more because the more people you tell and then there's a chain that you don't know where the breach came in at because you done told so many people. What's been your favorite celebrity come in the ring?

That you've been in the ring, you have a celebrity come in there, you're like, man, this is pretty cool. This is all right here. Man, I can be honest, man. Lil Wayne. Really? Like, yeah, man. Come on, man. Man, I love him Like, yeah, man. Come on, man.

Man, I love him. Come on, man. We listen to him. We listen to him since he's coming up. You know, the Carter one. You know, Lil Wayne. The Carter one. Come on, man.

The dope part is when I first started wrestling, me and my brother came out to go DJ. Like, that was our walkout song. You know, in the little independent scene. wrestling me and my brother came out to go DJ like that was our walkout song and you know in the little independent scene and just to have him you know walk me out at a big WrestleMania on stage and fire it's like full circle yeah yeah hey I you know what I know what it feels like dude to to have your name called out for me just to give you perspective to come out that tunnel

you know and they call your name when they announce the offense and they say Shannon Sharp or they say Chad Ochocinco Johnson and 80,000 people dog 70,000 60,000 whatever it may be are screaming your name and the fans have

embraced you as the main event Jey Uso. How does that feel, dude, to hear those chants and see the crowd rally behind you? That actually has to be one of the greatest feelings in the world. Man, come on, Locho. Yes, man. I appreciate that view. You know why? Because we're the only few that can see it from our eyes.

Right. You know, because the rest of the world is looking at us. I just told my son, I said, hey, I brought him in the ring after. Wow. Man, man, man, oh, sure. Hey, hey, yeah. Hey, I said, man, I told my son last night, man, I started, I started, I was like, hey, man, because he knows what to do. Like, he has it. He, sure. Hey, hey, yeah. Hey, I said, I mean, I told my son last night, man, I started, I started, I was like, hey, man, you, you, he, cause he knows what to do. Like he, he has it,

he has it, man, man. I bought him in the ring and, and, and he had the people like this, like they was going with him. I wasn't doing that. I was, but I'm, I'm telling him, I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, you know, in the the ring you know i'm like hold on hold on wait for the beat to drop you know now i'm like okay go he's got he's got ci he's got 60 000 in his hand and i was just sitting here like this and he's over there he's over there man but i told him when he's about to go to sleep man i told him man last night i was like man son you did you what is that how'd that make you feel like did you see all those people he's like yeah he's like and they're like like dad like that's a lot of people i'm like they was looking at you though you know wow man it's just a different i appreciate it though like i wish i wish my my messages to the people. I wish you guys, I wish everyone could experience that,

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One more question. One more question. I'm thinking about the mental part of it, right? The mental part as far as Luka's concerned. How is he going to react? How is he going to, is the trade, this is a wake-up call. Is he going to fold? Now, two things can happen.

Most of the time, you think you're a player, you're sitting on top of the world, you feel like you're invincible, you know, you're making good money, you're one of the best players in the NBA. Now, all of a sudden, you get that call. Oh, yeah, you've been traded to the Los Angeles Lakers. Now, what Luka are we going to get from this point going forward? Are we getting the pissed-off Luka? Or are we getting the Luka that's going to fold under the

pressure? We don't know that Luka that you're talking about folding under pressure. All he's done in six years has been great. He's been a generational talent. He's been special. What just happened? He got traded. Exactly. Now getting traded can do something to your mental now. It can do

something to your mental. I'm talking about the different kind of pressure. Pressure playing and being comfortable in Dallas, knowing you that guy, is different. I agree with you with certain dudes, but I don't care where you put Tom Brady. He's Tom Brady in New England. He's Tom Brady in Chapel Bay. Luka Doncic, we're not going to cheat his talent and his

level of greatness. He's a special talent. I believe it'll elevate him conditionally-wise and in the fight defensively because he's got a guy in the locker room that's a hero of his, that he looks up to. Now, LeBron James certainly has his flaws at times,

but one thing he does is take Kevin's body, and he's an all-time great. He's a special talent that if you just hang around, you've got testimonies from teammates, coaches. He's going to make you better. And Luka Doncic will be a better conditioned athlete and a better conditioned athlete and a better defender, competitively speaking, because of being around LeBron James.

That's one thing LeBron James will bring to the table with him, without a doubt. But you know what, Jack? I had a guy that tell me one time he said, they'll tolerate you until they can replace you. Profession, Luka is a professional basketball player. It seems to me, Nico Harrison had a problem

with him being a pro, which was how he conducted himself in being a professional basketball player. You don't, it had to get to a point, Mark, and you know this, having played, Mark, you played what, 17 years?

Yes. You played 17 years. You coached in this league in order for you to trade a generational talent because we've never seen it happen before. At 25, the behavior behind the scenes, it had to be egregious. There's no other way around it, Jack. There's no other way. You're right.

That 25-year-old generational talent, we've never seen it before unless he asked to be traded. That's a different ballgame. This guy didn't ask to be traded. He said he wanted to spend his life as a Dallas Maverick. So there is clearly something that made them pull the trigger and

make the trade and pick up the phone and call Los Angeles. I don't know what it is. That'll come out at some point. It'll come out. If it don't know what it is. And that'll come out at some point. It's going to come out. But if it don't come out in the watch, it'll come out in the rents. Yeah. He's too great of a player that you just decided to pick up the phone. No, I can handle it.

Think about it. When it's like a defensive intensity for 48 minutes and it's like conditioning overall, the dude was still a five-time first team all nba player in six years yep so i'm i'm gonna live with i'm gonna live with some of that and try to make them better i'm not just gonna pick up the phone on a random day and call the los angeles lake so it's something that pushed the button to make them make this call but jack my my antenna raised when rick carlyle wouldn't sign the contract extension.

You know how hard it is to get a generational player. They don't fall on trees. And a lot of coaches never get an opportunity to coach a generational talent. Rick Carlisle didn't accept the contract extension. And he had a 22, 23-year-old Luka. That should have raised the antenna. But Rick really raised my antenna when I heard Nico Harrison say, culture. When you hear that, Jack, I know your antenna raised too, because we see this with Zion. We believe his conditioning plays a role in his injuries.

We see that with Joel Embiid. We believe his conditioning plays a role in his injuries. They believe, I believe, it is my estimation, and I'm just looking at this from a distance, I believe the Mavericks believe that Luka's condition or lack thereof, his training, his eating habits, play a role in those injuries. And I got to give you $70 million this summer for next summer for five years? Oh, no, Jack, I can't do that.

Oh, I can do it. Oh, that. Oh, I can do it. Oh, no. Oh, I can do it. And you would do it too. The guy's a top five player in the world. There's no question about his ability. The thing I got a problem with is we compared him to Joel Embiid and Zion Williamson, two guys that have a tough time staying on the floor.

That's not Luka's issue. He plays hurt. He plays hob floor. That's not Luka's issue. He plays hurt. He plays hobbled. He's not 100%. He doesn't take care of his body. He's not in the best condition physically. He doesn't come in shape and camp, but he plays. He loves to play.

Those other two guys have missed a substantial amount of games. I think culture is the conditioning. It's how we act on the bus. It's how we act on the conditioning. It's how we act on the bus. It's how we act on the plane. It's how we act in the locker room. We don't know that story. I'll give you an example. Jimmy Butler. Report come out. Jimmy Butler had the plane waiting for an hour

while everybody was waiting for him. Are you kidding me? That's not on Jimmy Butler. That's on me. I'm not waiting an hour for nobody. That's what happened? The report is? The plane is taking off and we're leaving Jimmy Butler. If you wait for Jimmy

Butler and you're setting yourself up for disaster. You're setting yourself up for a culture that allows that. No, we're going to set the tone right away. We're leaving this guy and if he shows up to the game, he shows up to the game, we're handling that. What kind of president are you sitting with, Luca,

when you know he's out of shape, when you know he's not conditioned properly, when you know he's not training properly? The dude is averaging 30 and 9. He's the best player on the floor every night. So you got to find other ways to push the button to get him to respond. You got to pull

them into office by yourself and talk to them. You got to pull them into office with Kyrie Irving. You got to pull them into office with the GM. You got to pull them into office with ownership. Bring in some former greats. Bring in Dirk Novitski. Whatever trick you got to do to push the button. Dirk's there! He's seeing Dirk every day! Whatever the trick

is you got to do to push the button, your job, my job, is to find that button and push it. Because he is great. And he's an all-time great. But I want to put him in that special room that he deserves to be in. I'm not – like, there's guys you had to talk up to be great. When he walked into this league, he was great. You don't have to hype him up and talk him up.

He was great from day one. So now let's get you into that special room. He just lost $117 million, Ocho from day one so now let's get you into that special room he just lost 117 million dollars ocho basically one year can it cost him 117 it cost him 117 million now if that don't get your attention it should have your undivided attention now i don't know where y'all who makes 117 million dollars a year maybe some ce CEOs, maybe Cristiano Ronaldo, maybe Mbappe, maybe some of them, but ain't a whole lot of players making $117 million in salary, Jamal.

And you're in California tax. Just think about it. You could have been in Texas, no state income tax. It's 13.5% in California. I don't know if you noticed anything. So,

$40 million, they're going to take 13.5%. That's 10. So, they're going to take $4 million. So, they're going to take about $6 million from you right there, Ocho, on $40. Hey, listen. Let's say he missed out on $117,000, right? Whatever he missed out on. Let, right? Whatever he missed out. Let's

say he gets himself together. Gets himself together, gets on the right track. Is it still a possibility he can recoup that money on the back end in the next deal? It all depends. Hold on. He's a big enough superstar that he can have deals outside because

he projects. That's one thing. He projects globally. Right. So, yeah, he can have deals outside because he projects that's one thing he projects globally right so yeah he can make that much but you can't make up what you miss it's kind of like time because yeah let's just say for the sake of argument show he signs this deal with the Lakers so 117 minus $345,000, so he gets $228,000. $228,000, $228,000 good money. But just think, same, Jamal, you remember when Boogie? Boogie missed out on what, $200 million? By getting traded to the Pelicans. And then he gets injured.

Never saw a payday again. See, that's the thing, Ocho. You see, we're under the assumption and we hope we knock on wood that nothing happens but when you're continuously overweight you put stress on your body your body ain't used to that your body ain't used to being trying to go up and down that court on a nightly basis Jamal you know at least two nights a week sometimes three nights a week when you meant to be 220 all of a sudden you're trying to play in 260. Something got to give, Ocho.

Something got to give. You got to form it and you keep hauling logs on top of it. And you see what happened to it. That's like Ocho talking about he going to play me when I'm going to be drinking Coke. You can't play me. You got to tell me. Hold on.

You got to understand. I would go on five for 180 on McDonald's and cheeseburgers and fries and a Coke. You can't play. You gotta tell me. You gotta understand. I would go on fire for 180 on McDonald's and cheeseburgers and fries and a Coke. Having to deal with you at my age with this skill set with never having any injuries, that's easy work. See, you was doing that at 25.

Listen, age ain't nothing but a number. The man created that. I know age ain't nothing but a number. I know that. Whenever you're ready, I, listen. Age ain't nothing but a number. The man created that. Oh, I know. I'm going to get there for you now. I know age ain't nothing but a number. I know that. Whenever you're ready, I'm here. That's all I got to say. You've seen that food worker gets primed.

I ain't working on this. Let me ask you a question, Jamal. Who do you think won the trade? I think Dallas won the immediate future. The immediate part of it, I think the Lakers won the future part. And the reason being is AD will not let us help either. And as you know, Unc, like we've seen sometimes

where he's, it ain't his fault. And he's played games over the last few years, but he's going to have a different workload now. Like you said, he's going to be involved in picking roles a lot with Kyrie. Luka, that's a great transition from LeBron to Luka as a future superstar whenever LeBron decides he's had enough.

Because you've got to have that in LA. So I think both sides won it. It was just so weird. The weirdness of it was everything. Because I just, who would have guessed it? Could you imagine Minnesota trading it right now? No. Or Boston trading Tatum? Or Denver trading Joker? It was just as shocking. That's why it's so crazy. And I'm going to tell you

something else. I think there's going to be one, at that level, I think there's going to be a shocking trade that happens over this next time period. I promise you. I think something's coming. And if you look at what Minnesota gave up to get Rudy Gobert. Yeah. Dallas didn't want but one first-round pick.

I'd say give me 27, give me 29. I want a pick swap in between. And give me what you gave me. Yeah. Yes. That's how you got to be because this dude is generational. Luke is so good at basketball. Luke will figure out the game a long time ago.

When he's playing at times, he's not even playing against you. He's playing against your coach. Kevin Junker got that quality. LeBron as well. Are you on this? I got you on that. What you going to do, coach? Okay, I'm going to expose him over there. He's one of those dudes. The games, I've always said he plays like I got you on that. What you going to do, coach? Okay, I'm going to expose him over there. Like, he's one of those dudes. The games, I've always said he plays like he got headphones on, like he listening to Sade or something.

He's so at peace with his game that it's crazy. But now he's going to go to L.A., so we're going to see. I can't wait to see it. Three times six-man of the year, the oldest man in NBA history to have a 50-point game, the only man in NBA history to have at least 50 with four different franchises. The one, the only Jamal Crawford.

Good luck next year and calling games on NBC. Jamal, congratulations. Job well done. Hey, really appreciate you stopping by to drop, offer some insight into this big trade. I'm Michael Kasson,

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