Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Deion Sanders pregame rituals, Sterling Sharpe proud of Unc, Cam Newton disappointed

Episode Date: September 28, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocino" Johnson discuss how they spent their bye weeks when they were in the league. Later, Deion "Coach Prime" Sanders, Sterling Sharpe, Cam Newton and more join the show!03:13 - How Shannon and Ocho spent their bye weeks in the NFL18:00 - Shannon wanted to finish his career in Denver. Shannon and Ocho discuss what coaching styles work for them.25:15 - Shannon and Ocho discuss NFL injuries30:33 - Not everyone is going to get along with their teammates in the NFL.35:00 - Shannon’s betting stories from his time on the Broncos51:14 - Deion Sanders, Shannon, and Ocho on how to critic players in the NFL.55:30 - Deion Sanders, Shannon, and Ocho talk what their pregame rituals were in the NFL.58:17 - Sterling Sharpe proud of how Shannon handled the Skip situation.1:04:53 - Why Cam Newton was disappointed Ron Rivera didn’t reach out to him about Washington(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Two Sunday night games. Two Monday night games. Well, my homeboy, everybody want to see you, bro. Yeah. They do. Rightfully so. To whom much is given. Much is required.

Yeah. And plus the fact the matter is, Ocho, that Black Friday game, we selling that to Amazon. Well, if I'm gonna spend 100 150 million dollars i need i need box office yeah who's more box office than my homeboy okay netflix they're streaming the uh the christmas day game i need box office yeah more box office than my homeboy yeah yeah and listen also and i hate to bring this up Travis Kelsey is connected to a young lady that has an entirely different demographic

and age group watching those games as well well but don't bring that up Ocho cause they gonna get mad at us I'm just telling you and she's made it her business to let people know she will be at these games follow her man she will be at these games. Follow her, man.

She will be at these games. And what does that do? NFL, follow the money. Come on, now. It's chess, not checkers. Chess, not checkers. At the end of the day, remember what their bottom line is. No matter what they tell you, what they say.

It's all about the money at the end of the day. So, I'm not upset. I'm not'm not upset about you know that's tough i mean that's an early bye week because you think about all those games that they're gonna have on black friday on that on christmas day and those sunday sunday night games yeah the nfl could have did them a solid and put their bye week around week 10 week 11. yeah i mean my i'll buy weeks when i was there always felt kind of like right in the middle like week eight week nine ocho so you know i'm good yeah i i don't i don't even know it's so funny you know you know what i did on my bye week especially if we hit if we had a winning record with it my bye week i'm i'm ain't take no bye. Man, I go play pickup soccer the whole time.

Every year. Well, now, Ocho, I think they got to give you the whole week off. Mike Shanahan wasn't giving you the whole week off. Whoa, a whole week? Yeah, they get the whole week off. Where that rule came from? I guess it's in the new CBA. Hey, that's crazy

I mean a whole week man we got we might get Thursday we might get half of their Thursday so Friday Saturday Sunday and then we had to be back Monday to work and be worked out by noon Thursday, we might get half of day Thursday. So Friday, Saturday, Sunday,

and then we had to be back Monday to work and be worked out by noon. Three days? Man, look here. That ain't no damn bye week. I'm just telling you what we had. I don't know what them other teams did. I can't speak to that. But I'm telling you what the Broncos had when we were there.

Yeah. Man, I remember clearly all my bye weeks. I remember clearly all my bye weeks. And every time we would practice Monday, I think we practiced Monday. I think we practiced Tuesday. And we'd be off Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and we had to be back Monday man that whole week

I'm in Miami I never forget I play soccer at KSP Kendall Soccer Park I play at Urban Soccer 5 at that time it was in Wynwood man I'm playing soccer the whole week and then I come back Monday ready and back to football It was in Wynwood. Man, I'm playing soccer the whole week.

And then I come back Monday ready and back to football. My son wasn't doing that. My son wasn't doing that. And it wasn't no situation. It wasn't no situation where like, hey, Mike, you know, such and such got the whole week. Man, man, please. He don't care. He don't care about what nobody else doing, huh?

Hell no. Hell to the no. Because he going to tell us, hey, what we're trying to do, that is what they're trying to do. Yeah, you can't bring your players into the ground, man. Man, please. We're so happy about it. We're so happy getting up noon because that means we can take the flight and, you know, it's still two hours.

But at least you got Friday, Saturday. Man, you got to leave Sunday night. Yeah, you might as well not leave. To be back, you can't chance it. I can't chance leaving Friday or Monday morning. Yeah. And be late. And that plane, something happen with the plane or you miss a flight.

Oh, hell no. Man, I'm like losing damn mind. Y'all got fined back then? What? The fine wasn't that much, though, because... I think a fine might be like... Say a fine is like $2,000, Ocho. If you paid $1,000 in front of the team,

if you paid $1,000 in cash... Right. Yeah, you paid $1,000 in cash, he would reduce it. Yeah, the thousand slide? Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. And so it's the fact, because here's the fact, you walking down there, so somebody, we might not know you was late.

We might not have known you done something. But you coming down there to hand Mike some money, we know you done F'd up. So that's kind of what it was, because it's kind of like the team know that you let them down and somewhere maybe you was late for a meeting you missed the meeting but that walk off babies like we have that walk through that walk through 11 o'clock man please man they see mike match man boy you better not be late for that walkthrough right mike didn't play that

and then here's the thing ocho you know the walkthrough we're not going full speed but it's a nice speed now yeah it ain't no budge yeah yeah man ocho watsi let me take a glass up, Ocho. Why them dudes start coming out there with Tims? Come on, man. Come on, Ocho. Man. Man, them Jokers coming out there.

Hold on. It was cold, right? It was cold, though. Yeah, but I'm just, Ocho, that's not the point. Them Jokers coming out there hold on it was cold right when it was cold though yeah but I'm just oh Joe that's not the them jokers coming out there they got the jeans on and they got sweats over the jeans oh lord have mercy man Mike Mike called that thing up

he said if y'all ever come out here like that again I said see I knew y'all would going to F it up. I knew it. I knew it. But they knew how Mike was. Right.

Ocho, we got, we were having a practice. This was in 97. Anybody that was on that team, they could tell, Ocho, we were about 30 minutes through from practice. Now, mind you, we're already out there. We've already been out there about an hour and 15 minutes. Yes, sir. Mike started the whole practice over.

The whole practice? The whole practice. And I'm talking about this snowing like a bee. I'm talking about this so cold, Ocho. Look, I don't know what happened. It was a team drill. And I might have started it. You dropped the ball.

I think I dropped the ball. You dropped the ball. I think I dropped the ball. Rod dropped the ball. Threw a swing past the TD. He dropped the ball. Yeah. Man. Mike blew that whistle. Man, Mike blew that whistle.

Start this dish over. I'm like, okay. So, you know me, Ocho. I'm like, my bad, fella, my bad. bad so I'm thinking we about to start the period over right this man start stretching and everything over but I want to fight Mike

yes start the whole mofo practice over what look here when I say Mike All mofo practice over. What? Look here. When I say Mike ran a tight ship and that foolishness, we didn't have no foolishness because, hey, bro, look here. Don't y'all mess this up.

He done like, okay, guys, if we do X, Y, and Z, hey, such and such. Man, look here. Hey, we had to decide we're going to do it. We're going to go out there. We're going to do it. We're going to go out there. We're going to practice our ass off. Don't y'all F this up. We were a veteran-led team. Mike let us release the team. We'll fight all you young mofos up in this thing.

Don't y'all mess this up. Mike started the whole practice from stretching. I thought we were going to go back to the period, the start of the period. Right, right, right. This man done started the whole practice over and we got to go stretch all over again.

I couldn't even be hot because I was so damn cold. Yeah. Hey. And that's what Elko. And when I tell people the mindset that you have to that you have to have that i believe you need to have mike ain't let nothing skate right like you drop a pass and and and and like you the defense might do something might blow an assignment

and defense also nobody we got it might say no if we don't run that again uh-oh oh a drop pass oh that's that ain't sliding oh no hell no what and so mike mike mike was like tom causton and basically he didn't like look mike was very very like his, his time, like, time was, like, the meeting starts at this time. Right. When Mike walked down them steps, don't you walk your ass in behind him. Right. So everybody was, we understood. When Mike come in that room, everybody needs to be in their seat.

If you're not in there, you might as well just go ahead and chalk it up. Like I said, the one time I was late, I don't think he would have known I was late. It just so happens I was offensive player of the week, and when he called my name, I didn't come down to get the award. Hey, I was standing out. I was outside the meeting room looking at him like, but no, but you might – look, be on time.

That was his number one thing, be on time. Practice start – I mean, meeting started this time. Practice started this time. So forth and so on. That was really his only thing. And then he let the veteran players, he let us police the locker room. What was supposed to transpire?

Because a lot of times, Ocho, we put out fires before he got the mic. He didn't even know anything about it. Right. And I think that's where veteran leadership comes in at. And that's why you can never have a real enough of quality vets. I ain't letting, nah, nah, nah. Get your ass in the meeting room.

Get off the phone. Your problem, you're on the phone too much. That's why you're not playing. Talk about, man, they messing over me. Nah, I pulled a film. I say, see, you messing over us. Right. Get in there.

But we needed that, Ocho. You need, until like you be in a situation, Ocho, you don't really know what it takes to win until you in a winning situation. Yeah. And you can say, that's why the 49ers had all that damn success. If you go back and look at the 49ers, you look at when mike homan got to

the packers and they started to win consistently you i guarantee you i can go i don't really know how the patriots did thing but i can tell you why they won yeah yeah you listen my time there with the patriots i understood why they won within the first week. Within the first week. Bill Belichick, he ran a tight ship. Got to. No one had to explain what the Patriot way was and just the way everyone conducted themselves. And that's from the top all the way to the bottom. From the top all the way to the bottom, from the cafeteria to the training room, I was like, oh, okay, now I understand. Now I get it. Now,

obviously, 90% of that was also having number 12 and that key centerpiece at the helm of everything. But man, unbelievable. I tell people all the time, people ask me, well, what was it like playing for Belichick? What was it like being on the Patriots? I say, listen, I've never been to the Army, never been to the Army, never been to the military. I'm not a Navy SEAL. But if I had to take a guess, the discipline instructor that it takes to be in the Armed Forces is what it takes to play for the goddamn Patriots.

Same thing, same concept. And I come to understand that Bill Belichick has a background. I think it's- His dad was at the Navy, coached at the Naval Academy. And that is why he ran it the way he did. And that's exactly what that environment felt like. And see, that's why it never

bothered me. My grandfather was in the military. So I understood what a structured environment was. Oh, so you was used to it. It didn't bother me. My grandmother, hey, when she said be up at a certain amount of time, we're going to go pick peas or we're gonna hit these fields right we gotta go pick up pecans or whatever the case may be right all right boys such and such gonna come by tomorrow okay i already know what that means that man coming by he gonna pick us up at seven o'clock that means you get

your butt up you know wash your face brush your, be ready to hit that truck. Right. I understood that. So it was never a problem to me. Coach Reeves, he read Coach Reeves was an iron-nosed old-school Tom Landry. No bull jive. No BS. You jump off sides in training camp, you run a lap.

Sometimes you make the whole team run. Hey, I can't imagine grown men running no lap, man. You can imagine it. You can imagine it because it happens. I don't know if anybody's in the chat that was on those teams. Coach Reed was – I was with Coach Reed from 90 to 92. Go ask him. Go ask him.

And you heard Ocho? Man, they put you on that Ubi. You ever did the Ubi where you pedal like this here? Nah, what's that? It's a bike. So if you got like a hamstring issue or something like that, that's how you get your cardio. Okay.

Man, he ran me up out of there. Man, doing that Ubi for 30 minutes? 30 minutes? Man, you go all out for a minute you break for a minute all out for a minute you break for a minute for 30 man please Ocho oh no I came up with that thing after a day I said I ain't hurt no more I ain't hurt no more Ocho hell no I think sometimes Ocho what happens is is that a coach has a perception.

When Mike was first there, Mike was the quarterback's coach because he had been to the Raiders. He had fallen out. He ended up coming back. He's the quarterback coach. So when he gets there, I'm mainly a special teams player. Right. He leave and come back.

Now I'm the best tight end in the league. That's not how he remember me. Right. So we kind how he remembered me. Right. So we kind of butted heads. But what he failed to realize, what motivated me wasn't money. Yeah. I'm a praise guy. Just tell him I did a good job, and that's all I need to hear from you.

Right. I don't need you to tell me, oh, hey, you can be this. You can make a lot of money. I don't need that. Just me, oh, hey, you know, hey, you can be this. You can make a lot of money. You know, you can do. I don't need that. Just tell him I did. I did a good job. 84. We can win with that.

I appreciate you get. That's all I need. And so once I left and went to Baltimore and when I came back, he's like, you know, you want to bring us in, Mike? I don't need to see. Look, Mike, I was in Denver. I know what the facilities are like. I know what you're like. I had to have a conversation with Mr. Boland.

Mr. Boland had to say, look, I don't really put my foot down, but hey, are you coming back? I said, Mike, you know me. You know what I'm about. I'm about business. I want to win. I prepare myself to win. I try to do a great job of getting other guys to get on board to buy in what you're selling. I don't need to see the facility.

All I need to know, do you want me to come back? Because if Mr. Bowling want me to come back and you don't, I'm not coming. I'm not. 84, we should have never let you go. Okay, let's do this. I had more money

other places, but I thought it was only right that I go back and finish my career in Denver where it all started. The right way, yeah. I would have never been happy even if I took more money from Seattle, had the opportunity to go to the Raiders. It wouldn't have been right.

Because in my heart, that's not where I wanted to go. I wanted to go finish my career in Denver, but I just needed to hear him say it. Once he said it, I was cool. I was like, okay, let's do this. And plus, I didn't want to put my kids, my kids were still young,

and man, having to get my kids to fly and travel way across Seattle. From Atlanta to Seattle? By themselves? Oh no, yeah. And then even my mom, because at that point in time, my mom had retired, so my mom would fly there, my mom would fly from Chicago, because you know, after 9- because at that point in time, my mom had retired. So my mom would fly there.

My mom would fly from Chicago because, you know, right. But after 9-11, that stopped. Well, that stopped. But she was still because their mom would walk them through the airport, you know, send them down on a company minor. But after that point, I would fly my mom there. They would walk them to the gate. Then my mom would meet them at the gate and then they would come to Denver or my sister would do something like that. But yeah. Yeah. You got to just be careful.

Hey, we, we was told we took, we totally different too. Like when I think about it, the coaching style that you like and you accept, like I was complete, I was completely different. I like, I like that hard coaching and where I'm based on where I'm from and where I'm raised. I'm kind of used to it with the cursing and, you know, that that get me that get me going. Well, when I had you. Well, listen, when I had you, let me take my glasses off. So you understand how serious I am, because, you know, I'd be playing around all the time.

When I had Hugh Jackson in Cincinnati and I wasn't playing up the par and he get the mother he get the cursing yeah understanding that's I know I can get Chad going with a motherfucker what the fuck you doing god damn it come on now let's go man shoot boy you thought that shit just got me. I don't know how to explain it. It just got me going. It got me motivated because I have lapses sometimes. Sometimes I play down to my competition. And all it took was for you to say something to me in an encouraging way, but just add a little curse word to it. You know when you cook your chicken and you add your seasoning but just add a little curse word to it. You know, you know, when you're cooking, you know, you cook your chicken and you add your seasoning, just, just add a little, see,

I see, I see curse words as sentence enhancers and it just get me going. It's weird. It's weird. So I love and enjoy that type of coaching because it made me want to not only prove myself, but to make sure I don't embarrass you based on all the coaching and goddamn film study and meetings we done did all goddamn week. Let me go out here and make sure I do my goddamn job. For me, Ocho,

I never played down because I knew where I was playing because Mary Porter was in air condition all of a sudden. Yes, sir. Come on. And I got kids. Yes, sir.

And so that was my motivation you because i looked at everybody that i faced well you're trying to get my grandma at this house you're trying to get my kids out of these private schools you're trying to take food off their table you're trying to get shannon to go back to glenville with no running water and no end of oh no bro yeah you couldn't see couldn't. And you thought completely different. Oh, that's the only thing. You think completely different. Yeah.

That was my motivation. From the time I can remember, me and my brother talking about it, when we were sitting on those pine trees, young pine trees are called saplings. And we built many of them mofos over. And my grandma said, boy, y'all need to stop building them saplings. Right. That's all we talked about. That's all I thought about. That was my motivation.

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And I don't think T would have an issue with that because what we talked about was positive. I mean, it was positive. And he's going to do all he can to make sure he's out there, you know, for the Kansas City game. And I told him to be careful. I told him to be careful because there's something you don't want to play with. Soft tissue injuries, hamstring, groin, calf. What else? Soft tissue.

Quads, anything soft tissue. Calf, ham, groins, adductors. Yeah, I told him, listen, what you don't want to do is don't go out there too early. Don't go out there too early. See how it feels in practice. You know, I say take a Wednesday off, take Thursday off.

Don't even practice this week. Practice Friday if you got to. And then open up and see how you feel. If you feel like you can open up and you don't feel a little pinch or no pull. No tug. Yeah, no tug, but you're good to go. You're good to go. So I think for us, the Bengals in general, obviously, and T, I think we're good to go you're good to go so i think i think us for us the bangles in

general obviously nt i think we're gonna we're gonna be all right for some reason you got to think we we're two and six under zach taylor we two and six in week one in the last 10 games two and six week one so i'm used to us always having a slow start. Offensively, we always start slow. I think we're going to be all right. And I bet with us emotionally against New England. Yeah, you did. You did. You definitely bet emotionally.

So right now, based on what I saw from the Pats, I think the – I mean the Pats. But based on what I saw from the Chiefs, I think the Chiefs might win this one. As much as I love my Bengals, I think the Chiefs might win this one. As much as I love my Bengals, I think the Chiefs might win this one. If we have Chase playing and we got T playing, that changes everything. That changes the dynamic. That's the thing.

Because the suddenness in which you need to move, you need to be able to start, stop, transition, get in and out of that break. And guess what? You got to deal with people pulling on you too, huh? Yeah. You got to deal with people pulling on you too.

Man, that was the only thing. I said, guys, look, I don't mind you. If I break free from you, don't tug me. Right. Right. Because I'm pulling the hard at you. You make me tweak my hamstring. Yep.

And then I'm going to turn around and swing on you. So I ain't gonna lie so don't don't don't don't don't don't that was my only rule locho i look okay guys holding me trying to get off the line to get it because i know they're gonna come back there and they let they held the shit out you oh excuse me they held they held the crap out of you back in the 90s man they ain't called nothing on your man it was literally a fight out there but right don't tug my jersey once i break away from you don't do that because you know a lot of times it's the call what we call it like a slingshot move i did it to a lot of

d linemen like they get in front of me i grab them and then pull myself i launch myself in front of them and now i'm in a position where i could block them and that's what dbs do they would tug you and the next thing you know they in front of you. And now I'm in a position where I can block them. And that's what DBs do. They would tug you and the next thing you know, they're in front of you to knock the ball down. So that was my only thing. And it's tough. And I went through something

very similar to what T is going through. Signed a contract in 96. It was a three-year deal. Made me the highest paid. Told me that, hey, Shannon, you know, you play like you play. We're going to tear this contract up. You'll never get to the third year.

We're going to extend it. Right. So 97, I come in, Ocho. 97, I come in. First team all pro, 1,100 yards, lead the team in receiving. 98, go in, led the team in touchdowns. First team all pro again. No contract.

Not even talking about contract. Come in, I tweaked my adductor probably about 10 days before we got a report, Ocho. Man, that thing wouldn't get healthy for nothing and so I deal with that all training camp and I managed to get through it and I was able to get massages got it worked on and it started to feel better get off to a great

start Ocho I think I got like in the first three or four games I got like 24 23 24 catches cooking yeah in that fourth game Ocho Darian Gordon who's First three or four games, I got like 24, 23, 24 catches. Cooking. Yeah. In that fourth game, Ocho, Darion Gordon, who's an ex-teammate of mine, did what we call teacups. So he catch me like this.

I'm running shallow. And he tackled, pinned my arm. Yeah. Broke my collarbone. Ah! Oh, you hit the ground. He put all that pressure on you too much? All that. It don't take much pressure to break the collarbone.

And I knew it instantly. I knew it instantly. I remember sitting up. I motioned to Greek to come Greek. I said, Greek, that's my collarbone. He said, what you think happened, Sharpie? I said, Greek, I broke it. He said, you think so?

So he put his hands up under my pants. Right. Yeah, Sharpie, you. I'm like, ah! Ocho, Ocho. Daddy! Yeah. Man.

Miss the rest of the year End up in Baltimore Ocho there's a report that Justin Fields Had a toxic relationship with Nick Foles In the Chicago locker room According to reports the relationship between Foles and Fields basically reached rock bottom At the situation where Foles was trying

To teach something to Fields Only to turn around and realize that Fields Wasn't paying attention to anything Foles were saying. According to report, Foles and Phil could not stand each other. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Listen, you, in the chat,

in the NFL, listen, as much as you want to get along with everybody, think about where you work. If you work in the corporate world or wherever you work, you don't get along with every person that's there. that man isn't there to take your job they are there to compete yeah yeah they are you you are there to compete everybody's not going to get along on the same team that's just the nature of the business at times i'm better than you why are you sitting here trying to teach me younger younger player listen to an older veteran who's been somewhat,

not somewhat, not really, I don't want to call him a journeyman, but he played on a few different teams. He has a Super Bowl win. So I think that's someone you would want to listen to and confide in. Yeah, that's my point. Yeah, especially when it comes to playing a position of quarterback because he knows what it takes to win because he has won before. After taking over for Carson Wentz when he

got hurt yeah you know but listen at times you're just not gonna like people it's just the way it is and I think it's unfortunate that it came down to this I think it's unfortunate that it got out now that Justin Fields is gone and he's he's in he's in Pittsburgh so why now yeah why now it wasn't issued in why make it an issue now? It wasn't an issue, but I'm disappointed that it got out because it makes Justin feel like he's uncoachable. He's unwilling to listen to

someone that's trying to help. You know, look, when I was in there, and somebody could give me some valuable information, the mistake that I made is that I listened to the wrong person and he gave me the wrong route. I went there ready at full speed. And Coach looked at me like I was a damn fool. But that's my fault. That's my fault. I think the

thing is, Ocho, for me, is that I've always said that if I ever got in a situation, I say, when I make the team next year, someone ask me something, I'm going to be able to give them the real information because this is how I look at it, Ocho. You can't beat me. I'm going to teach you everything you know, not everything I know.

So you're never going to be able to beat this job. And I understand when Ozzie made the move to move on to Todd Heath, he had to get me up out of there. Todd Heath was never going to be able to beat me up on that job. Because I knew too much. I knew all the tricks of the trade. I knew how to get open no matter what the situation was. But my job was to make sure.

And to Rook's credit, he hung on everything that I said. So I tried to make sure that the locker, the tight end room was better when I left than when I found it. Same way with Denver. I take it as an elder statesman, Ocho, that's my job. Right. To pass that information down because I had some guys that really helped me.

And the receiver room, Mark Jackson, I backed him up. He helped me immensely. Vance Johnson, those guys really, really helped me when I was there. And so I really appreciated the older guys really helping me to try to get me up to speed because they knew if something happened with them, I was going to have to go in and play. Now, what good is that? You don't help me out and I got to go in to play and I don't know what the

hell I'm doing. Right. That's a negative reflection on you. But I agree with you, Ocho. I don't like that this got out because at the end of the day, you know who he's going to look negative on. Yeah. Because you got a veteran quarterback that's played a number of years in the

league. And like you say, he did win the Super Bowl. He did go to a Pro Bowl. He once had a season which he threw 27 touchdowns with two interceptions. So it's like, man, he tried to help Justin Fields, and Justin Fields doesn't – he's uncoachable. You can't help it. And it's so funny.

It's always the black quarterbacks where stuff like this comes out. You think it only happens with them? I guarantee you it definitely doesn't. I think when Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers were there, I'm sure it was some of the same issues. I think it happens like that when you have two players at a certain position and you

understand that if you're not playing well, the person that's trying to help and coach you could eventually be taking your job if you don't play up to par. It is what it is. Ocho, the friendly wager between LSU teammate Jane Daniel and Malik Nabors is off now. They placed a friendly wager, $10,000 bet,

which whoever would win NFL's Offensive Rookie of the Year would win the money. But on Friday, after Nabors attended rookie camp, the Giants learned the specifics of the NFL's gambling problem, excuse me, NFL gambling policy, he revealed that the bet was off. It is unclear if the bet would have violated the policy, but the two aren't taking any

chances. The neighbor said, I'm educated now, and I got to be able to sports betting and gambling, so we're calling the bet off. There's no bet now. No, sir. Malik neighbors, Jayden Daniels, the bet is still on. bet is still on give me the money i'm still a part i'm not a part of the nfl well i am wait never mind let me take

that back let me take that back better still on no matter what just put the money in my hand put the money in my hand and i'll make a decision at the end of the season on who deserves it malik you got to come to play boy you got to come to play, boy. You got to come to play. If you're going to outdo a quarterback, what happens? How about, hey, bro, I bet you 10 grand I win offensive rookie of the year. Okay, bet.

It's when you made it public. Right. See? Some things you just keep to yourself, Ocho. Actually, I like it, though. I like it. Because not only... The NFL don't like it. I don't think he made it public.

I think it's a great motivating tactic. Are you any less motivated by things? Let me ask you a question. I mean, it's just... How many people knew your goals? You didn't share them with anybody, did you? And you were just as motivated to achieve them. Yeah. You have to understand. Look, I get it, Ocho. Yeah. didn't share it with anybody did you and you was just as motivated to achieve them yeah you have

to understand we look i i get it ocho yeah but you have to understand how the nfl and the gambling so you don't want you don't even want the mention of it yeah like i said hey ocho i bet you such and such yeah yeah doom at the end of the year yeah all right oh how'd you get this i ain't gonna say how i got it right but a good a good friend of mine gifted it to me yeah yeah i think i think for one on malik nables part i think it was all in good fun you know yeah for sure a little friendly really friendly friendly competition and i don't think i don't think it's against the n NFL gambling policy because they're not gambling on a game. They're just it's a friendly wager between them, between themselves based on how they play their rookie season. That's all that. That's no foul, no harm. Now, you know, you want to know what's harm? Me bribing the referee with a goddamn dollar bill trying to challenge a red, a red call.

Yeah. Now that that not that now that's gambling because i literally took out a dollar and tried to bribe the referee now that i understand them making a friendly wager between themselves whether it's public or not is no harm no foul and i i hope i'd hope you know we we'd allow those two to go at it oh joe man you know there's a lot of bets going on man there done been bets between teammates. I mean, not teammates, but hell, teammates, friends, yeah. Yeah, but nobody know.

Nobody know. Nobody knew. Hell, I bet Alpha Williams $25,000, but I would have more touchdowns if he had sacks. Golly! Man, guess what? I broke my collarbone week four. He tore his Achilles week five.

So we settled. He wanted $12,000. So I said, we can settle. He had one sack. I had no touchdowns. So we settled. What you had to pay him? He said, I tell you what.

He said, I want $12,500. Right. Guess what this joker wanted? What did he want? Don't say food. Susan B. Anthony dollars. Susan B. Anthony? Yeah, he wanted those quarter dollars. Why?

Because he wanted the inconvenience. He wanted my pride. So when I go put that order into the bank, can I get $12,500 of Susan B. Anthony? Do you know how hard it is to get those damn things? So he made it difficult. Yes. And they was heavy as hell.

Hey, let's go. Hey, listen, I like the bet, though. I like it. Because that's the way we bet it. So we bet in the locker room. I didn't want your money. I want your pride. Yeah. I like it. Because that's the way we bet it. So, like, we bet in the locker room. I didn't want your money. I want your pride. Yeah. I want $500 in nickels.

Man, Shaq, come on, man. I want you to take your ass to the bank, ask the cashier, could you get $500 in nickels? And when she asks you, say, Mr. Such and Such, why you need $500 on nickels, I want you to tell him, I lost the bet to 84. I'll get Buffalo nickels. I get $100 in Buffalo nickels. I get $ to tell them I lost the bet to 84. I get buffalo nickels. I get $100 in buffalo nickels. I get $250

in dimes. That's what I wanted. I wanted what is it? Kennedy half dollars? We call them Kennedy 50 cent piece. Yeah, I wanted those. Yeah, silver dollars? Yes. I want your prize. Everybody making money. So what is it for me? Okay, you lose $1,000.

You're going to bring me $1,000 cash. No, I don't want $1,000 cash. I want coins. Pennies, nickels, dimes, buffalo nickels, Susan B. Anthony, quarters, Kennedy half dollar, Kennedy 50 cent, what we call them in the South. Golly.

Ocho, you know know we gamble everything we had a little poppy shot basketball thing in the locker room so we bet per diem hey bet everybody got their per diem lined up the roll per diem yes yes we bet roll per diem

man we getting ready to go to practice. Me and my homeboy Burns, he's like, we got, so, you know, we've been there for a week. So, I went upstairs, got my check, got his. I said, because we like to bet, don't even look at it. Put it down.

Okay, fine. Bet what it is. So, I put my check down. He put his down. We shoot. We got to go to practice. We come back. Come on. Let's get the ball first. He put his down. We shoot. We got to go to practice. We come back. Come on.

Let's get the ball first. Hey, hold up. Me and Burns shooting this. He shoot. He miss. I make it. So at that point in time, you get to open the check and see what it is. Right.

So he opened my check. I opened his. His was like $1,400. Right. Mine was like $1,400. Right. Mine was like $70,000. Woo! He said, homeboy, you'd have been throwing up. I said, oh, hell yeah.

But that's the chance that you make. You don't look at the check. You just bet. Yeah. I'm cool with that. Y'all better than me, boy. Oh, we bet everything. boy oh we bet everything oh we bet everything oh blu-ray in between you have played in between nah what's that in between between you take two decks of cards i flip one i flip both cards up it might be an ace. It might be a five. You go say, hey, in between.

If it comes in between the ace and the five, you win. If you get hit on the edges, you get double. You have to pay double. So if it's an ace or a five, you pay double. Ooh. Man. We played on the way to Super Bowl. Ask the guys.

What? Pac got like 50 grand. 50,000? Yeah. Oh, we took Super Bowl. I took... Oh. Hey, Peter, I'm sorry I got to give up this information. Oh, but we took... Hey, we took four Super Bowl tickets

off Willie Green. Four Super Bowl tickets and 10 grand. Oh, look, I was very generous. I know he was hot. Ocho, I want to do old school car. 71 Chevelle. Yeah. I said, man, give me five grand.

I said, because you go home and tell your wife you lost this car, it's going to be problems in your house. Snap, yeah. Give me five grand. We'll call it even. And Mike used to tell him, say, look, y'all gambling with 84. Do y'all know how long 84 been playing?

Right. 84, okay. I don't really like you guys gambling because I don't want you thinking about you lost 20,000, 30,000 during the game. But if I rock with you, if I want a big sum of money off y'all, I'm like,000, $30,000 during the game. But if I rock with you, if I want a big sum of money off y'all, I'm like, bro, go ahead.

Hey, just give me five grand. We'll call it even. But I wanted nice black chrome rims. Just got it. It'll probably work by 2025. I said, man, give me five grand. Cool.

Y'all, listen. Oh, we gamble. Whenever the gambling went on, locker room, training camp, we on break. Man, I'm around none of that, bro. I ain't got time.

Spending money, spending gambling. Ocho, you go ask anybody that played in Denver from 1995, 96, all the way, they closed it down when I left. When I came back, it came from there. That's what we gamble. We play cards. We roll dice. They play video game.

We drink, smoke, all that within club shashing. That's how it came to be and i don't see i don't see how y'all do that man and people in the chat that gamble people just in general like even when y'all was playing even former teammates of mine there was there was there's such an excitement and passion and joy in people's faces when they gamble here from and me being from miami watching people gamble playing spades playing playing tongue uh, get like me with the quarters back in the day when it was a high school watching, watching the dope boys play CeeLo. Excuse me.

I hate to, I hate to say that word, but watching the boys play CeeLo, like what, what are we doing? I'm not doing nothing or losing my money to anything where I can't control it. Like if I'm losing money, I want to be in control of it. I don't want any outside variations of what I'm doing to cause me to lose my money. I can't do it.

And then I remember I went to the casino with Rayo and I'm talking to the man. I'm saying, sir, are y'all going to stop the man from continuing to gamble that much money at the high roller table? Why are you allowing him to do this? That's what we do here.

Yeah. Oh, no, I got to have it. We got to gamble, Ocho. We gambling. Why do you think we don't have no windows? What the fuck you mean? Would the windows have to do anything? Ain't no clocks on the wall because they want you to lose track of time and they pumping in fresh oxygen.

Listen, I learned all this just not too long ago when I was in Vegas for F1. You know? I'm like, man, y'all better be. I get, Ocho, we gamble. Yeah, but y'all. Every night, there was not one night in Denver when I was in training camp that we didn't gamble.

Yeah. Ocho, we was going to bed. Like, we got to practice at 9. Right. We didn't go into bed until like we was going to bed like we gotta be like we gotta practice at nine right we ain't going to bed till like two o'clock three o'clock in the morning and y'all going to practice on four five hours of sleep yep and the last night we stay up the whole night like our our crew that normally oh we gotta you gotta stay up the whole night oh oh we had a black hey we had a blast oh and the last and the last night the rookies yeah got to get them mojo you got you got them yeah i remember them what man look here we go to the store we get like 25 pounds of flour we get get like 8, 9, 10 balls of syrup. We cut the

pillows open. Right. We got the tar and feather. Oh, not the tar and feather. Yeah. Oh, you know how that is to get off? I do know. Oh, no. Think about how many guys came with

pillow feathers in their head and only stuck on their back and on their neck. Hey, because, you know, I was cool. Hey, you know, hey, I get the key. I get the master key. In their sleep, fire extinguished them down, book it up out of there. Oh, we did some damage.

I knew they were hot. But you know what Mike said? Hey, I don't normally do this, but I know probably 84 has something to do with it and this team. Or if some stuff popped off, they already know. Mike knew. Team building, we got this covered right oh we oh that dorm was a mess going crazy

yes yes because hey got together mocho it's a part of it welcome to the broncos yeah most definitely most definitely most definitely that's what i miss ocho. That's what I miss, Ocho. See, that's what I miss. The fun. That's what I miss. The talent show. Did y'all have a talent show? Like the rookies had to put on a talent show? No. Hey, listen. That hard knock y'all had before we did ours?

That talent show? Boy, when Buddy did Ray Lewis and Buddy did you, boy, I was in tears i'm talking about in tears crying that was good that was we had we had we had a talent we had a talent show in uh uh in denver yeah but i you know like i said i i ain't really know like i said i mean when i was in college we didn't really do the stuff like rookie stuff, Hazen. They ain't cut nobody hair and stuff like that.

I mean, I'm trying to think what we did to the rookies. Because they got me. I mean, it was all fun. Like I said, I didn't want to let nobody cut my hair. Right. You know what I'm saying? We wasn't doing anything to demean anybody. We wasn't going to cut your hair and foolishness like that.

But I'm sure there were some things that we did. But that all a part of it that's what i missed that's what i missed if they could just let and i'm like mike if i could just go back i ain't want to do meetings no more that's what really got me out of the league yeah the meetings i said mike just let me practice let me show up to practice right right right let me play the games your boy good yeah good i would say but uh oh it's over the days bro i wish i could get those back i wish Let me play the games. Your boy good. Your boy good. Ocho's over the days, bro. I wish I could get those back. I wish I could do that. Obviously, I couldn't play anymore.

But I just want to go hang around. Now I'm listening to my guys. After I left like three or four years, I just wanted to go back because a lot of the guys that I played with were still playing. Man, I said, man, I wish I could just go back there. They're like sharp, man. It ain't the same without you. Because you, Ocho, you know I kept it live. Yeah.

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Why do players... Sometimes they wrong with criticism. Sometimes the criticism is not warranted. Sometimes you're criticizing based off your insecurities. Don't do that. Don't do that. Criticize, but not based off what you're saying you would have done. Because you don't have the yeah don't do that yeah criticize criticize but not based off what you're saying

you would have done because you don't have the ability to do what that would have done so that's my problem right criticism i look at it like this when before this social media blew up time what we would ask of people that was critiquing us. Okay. Did you play? They, all these players now like they wanted someone that actually played the game that had an intimate knowledge of the game to know what it's like to be in the locker room, to know what it's like to be in the model, to know what it'd be like in a field and feel that.

Okay. So now, and then when they got that, they said, well, you didn't win anything. So now when I critique a player, not only did I win at the highest level,

I won multiple times. Not only did I win multiple times, I got the ultimate validation by being selected in Canton. So now what? Oh, you jealous. You mad because you didn't make as much money. I made a damn lot of money for tight ends when I played. Time changed.

Inflation. Okay, guys are making money. I get nothing. You asked me to give you my honest assessment when i give it to you you don't like it because i critique your favorite place amen so i i don't understand how i win i think i think it's a different era we're in a different era and i think it's more so delivery i think delivery is very very important in the way we are critical and we analyze players. It will be seen regards to how you try to do it. It will be seen as hate because there's really no way to criticize a player without him feeling a certain way about it. And again, I talk with you,

we talk about this all the time, Prime, and they get on me a lot about not being able to be critical of players when they don't play the way they should and I always go back from a point of view of knowing what it's like to be them now opposed to being on the other side with the media now it's very difficult for me to say he did a b and c but I'd rather say I'd rather talk about d e and f on what he can do to make sure it doesn't happen again I don't even want to focus on the negative. I don't want to be the problem. I want to tell you what the solution is so you don't play like that again.

I like going that route. But that's not what just – but, Ocho, but that's not what happened. You got to critique on what you saw, not what you think you're going to get down the road. First of all, he ain't going to do that. He's not going to do that. You know Chad ain't going to do that. He ain't going to critique nobody.

He ain't – you know, Chad ain't – he ain't going to do that. He's not going to do that. You know, Chad ain't going to do that. He ain't going to critique nobody. He ain't, you know, Chad ain't built like that. Chad, Chad, Chad not want to be because he is. Chad is a good dude, and he want to be loved. He just want to be held. I want to be what? Held. Just want to be held. He just want to be loved.

I like criticism. You know what's funny? Think about when I played. I love, I like to hate. I want you to hate. I want you to talk trash. I want you to say bad things about me. Like, I enjoyed it.

I enjoyed the media saying bad stuff. Like, it lights somewhat of a fire, you know? And that's why, to me, I don't understand why players care what the media says. That should motivate you. You know, I use that. You can't expect people to be who you are. That's what I had to learn as a coach years ago. You can't expect people to be you.

You can't expect people to feel like you, to think like you, to interpret things like you, to even fathom things like you. They ain't built like that, Chad. God only made one of you like you. They ain't built like that. Chad, God only made one of you, man. They ain't built like that. We at the highest level. This is the NFL, though. And?

You know, think about it. Thank you. So you making excuses for him. You see what you just did? Let me finish. Let me get where I'm going. To even get to the pinnacle of your childhood dream, you've had to be through some shit.

You've had to go through some stuff. So anything being said in and or about you shouldn't even bother you. I don't want to talk about new addition. I said you buy round and I said he probably was a prime. Don't do that. I was with you. Me and you I was with you in 1992. Me and you. That's a lie. But anyway, that's a lie. But yo anyway yo guys we've heard about pre we've heard about your pre-game rituals but what about your post-game rituals did you have anything that

you did time did you have anything you did ocho i always had migraines always had migraines so controlling the migraine from being up and being fired up and just wanting to go get it. That calming down period was tough, so I always had migraines. So on the plane ride back home, they was medicating me and trying to get me stuff and ice everywhere. I couldn't damn but do nothing after games, so I always went to the crib, straight home. My routine after every game in Cincinnati was always the same.

Win or lose, I'm going to to Jay Alexander's in Hyde Park I have a celebratory cigar win or lose obviously for getting out of the game healthy and that was it I did the same thing every every after every game for a decade straight and if the people if corporate from Jay Alexander sees this, if y'all don't bring back them goddamn honey butter biscuits, I know some honey butter croissants. Oh, man. What'd you do, Jay? I normally just went home. I'd go get something. Occasionally.

Hold on, hold on. Wasn't that something? Wasn't that something you went and got? Did you say you went and got? No, I'm just asking. They want to know what it was. No, no, no, no, no, no. You mean something to eat?

It was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't nothing going on. My body was, man, you know, I was lean when I played. It wasn't no thing going on. I mean, I want the people to know. It wasn't no thing going on. I wasn't going to be able to do nothing.

I'd have locked up on them. And then she got it. I'd have to get an IV. I was like this here. So, no. Occasionally, I would go. We'd go out'd go out to guys we go get something to eat but most of the time i would call ahead get an order black there's this restaurant called black ip i would call ahead get chicken rice broccoli corn um two uh two wheat rolls and and and and he always limited discipline on his eating man

i have a quick prime did you eat healthy when you played? No, no. Thank you, man. Thank you. I was so ignorant when we was in Atlanta, I had soul food catered for lunch for everybody, for the whole team. Man, you.

Collard greens and rice and black eyed peas, baked chicken. We was eating that for lunch, didn't go out there to practice. I was like, man, we a lost that man, man. You know what? Thank you. All I'm going to do, y'all eat that, I'm going to sleep. I appreciate that. I'm glad you said that. practice i was like man we lost that man man thank you know what thank you all i'm gonna do

y'all eat that i'm going to see i appreciate that i'm glad i did because i've been trying i've been telling people for for 30 some years they they don't listen to me no i didn't i wish i had it though i wish i had it i wish i had see i always stayed in shape but i i didn't eat right right i didn't eat right either and i always stayed in shape so yeah but you you you you're a freak genetically dog you you could eat whatever you want you still gonna stay lean you but but you know i i still but i work like a madman i'm still working like a madman i ain't got no you just you're gonna always be lean that's your genes that's just and you never and you you don't you don't have the disposition to put on weight. You're not going to be 250.

You're not going to be 300, Ocho. That's not your body frame. Look how narrow you are. You see how your shoulders are? He don't like you to call him narrow. Look at your shoulder. I'm not narrow. I'm 220.

What are you talking about narrow? No, you've never been 200 in your life, hey. I'm 220 right now. What are you talking about, Ocho? You've never been. No. I don't think you've ever hit 200 in your life. Nah, never.

Hell nah. Hey, Pratt, you know how they used to have it at the NFL experience? They had that jersey, and the little kids go stick their head in that thing, and you see the little body hanging. That's what he was like in that jersey. He always been ripped, though.

He always been shredded. I'm ripped now. I'm ripped now. I'm ripped now. You always been that way. Yeah, don't play. I will say this. My brother and I have never had a fight. Now, he used to cheat, and I used to beat him down,

but we never had a fight. The only time my brother told me what he wasn't going to do was that he wasn't going to go to Savannah State College. And I said, that's good because I'm on the way. I'm leaving Columbia. I was in school in South Carolina. I'm leaving. Bro, you're not going to the army. That's not going to happen. The only time he and I ever had a disagreement, I have never in my 59 years on this earth tried to be his father. But we were always taught that if you have to look past your own dinner table to find a role model, there's something going on in your home. I only wanted him.

Bobby Dandridge. His nickname was? Mr. Clutch. We had Franco Harris and Tony Dorsett. I wanted him to look at his own dinner table and be like,

remember, it's the shepherd and the sheep thing. I never told him what to do. I never tried to instruct him. I never led him. I lived my life. But the wonderful thing, and for those of you who have kids, you know this, the wonderful thing is he was watching. And I am so proud. I'm proud of that guy right there because I'm proud of Chad, because the perception, the persona and who he really is, is actually two totally different people. You don't realize how hard it is for him to come out here and do that. That ain't who he is. That is not who he is. I'm ruining it for you. And for him to, he didn't go through anything. He's led by a, by a higher power that put him where he wanted to

be. And what he went through on TV, he needed to go through that so he could get here and sometimes many many times in a family you go through things that are hurtful but he had to go through that to get to here and he had to be here to get him and those two together doing some really good stuff they're fun to watch they they they talk about really good things not the anal part but they talk about really good things and i'm very proud of both of them when we did the same things when we both played football we could talk football when we both did tv we could talk tv i play He doesn't. So we don't have anything in common right now, but we can still find out how each one of us, how we're doing. And I I'm very proud of how he He almost lost it.

The Afro-American almost came out. I know you saw it when the glasses went on the table. Skip, I'm in the F and O of fame. I was like, I said to myself, that is the end of the sharps on TV. That's it. Because I knew what was going to come next. And I was like, Skip, I hope you can fight. But no, I say that in jest. I never thought he would lose control.

I was really shocked that he yelled and screamed. But he yelled and screamed not because of what Skip said. He yelled and screamed because he was so hurt that someone he liked and trusted would say or do that to him. And he would never say this. I'm not on TV. I don't do anyone else's media at all except PGA Tour golf. I go on their show.

But I don't do anybody else's because you can't ask me about him. Because I'm not going to give you anything about him. Do I like his success? You're going to have to use your own imagination. Do I think he is doing the right thing? You're going to have to use your imagination. I do not talk about him everybody goes when you gonna be on club shea shea I was like I was first before it became club shea shea and and Chad they were famous I went on then because I was like, I see where this train going. And this is way before Cat Williams.

I do not want to be anywhere near where this thing's going. So Club Shea and Nightcap, I can say this. This is probably the last time you'll see me publicly. Because they are going in a totally different stratosphere and I want to thank Cam Newton I told Cam backstage I am very impressed by him because they are a lot alike and and you have to admit Cam is the largest human being you've ever seen dude is gigantic you say you were disappointed that your former coach was there when you got there. Y'all came in together if

I'm not mistaken Ron Rivera didn't call you when he was in Washington. Why did that upset you so much? That was my dog. Like we've been through so much I always hear his voice in my head yeah kiddo you know man this that like I say this respectfully he raised me and I raised him he was a rookie head coach

I was a rookie player I was not going to allow him to fail in Carolina not under my watch right because there's the oath and as it's it's just in us as athletes that when somebody takes a chance on you no matter what round it is you feel obligated to give, because they, no matter what you want to say, they've allowed you the opportunity to take care of your bloodline. So when what was happening or what had happened in Carolina with me and Coach Rivera, we had numerous talks and discussions about the game of football and about life. So when I was going through the transition of being out of Carolina, I was like, yo, I was a damn coach. And it wasn't just him.

See, that's the thing. I can't blame a head coach because he may not have picking power. But Marty Herney, the same thing. He drafted me. Right. He was in D.C. And he said no. I'm going to take it a step further. The head trainer that they had, Ryan Vermillion, was there.

Nobody. So me going through this whole resurgence, like, yo, like, damn. I kept asking my agent. I'm like, yo, they ain't called? Washington ain't called? I don't know what's going on. So maybe you weren't as close as you previously thought? Man, I'm an action person, bro.

I'm an action person. And I teach my children this. Man, I could tell you anything. But if I don't prove on a day to day basis that I love what I showed you, that don't mean nothing to me. Have you had a conversation with him? Have you spoken to him? No, sir. Not, not like we said, no, it's not no beef. And I don't want nobody to kind of take what I'm saying is that I'm angry because there was a business decision that has to be made. And I was. And I knew I was coming off a shoulder injury.

It's that. That's all it was. That was like for me to just say, hey, kiddo, how you doing? Hey, how you feeling, though? Let's come up here for a physical. Let me really. Do a deep dive. That's the relationship we had.

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