Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Ducks win Big Ten, Georgia wins OT thriller, Hunter vs. Jeanty for Heisman

Episode Date: December 8, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Dillon Gabriel throwing 4 TDs and Nikko Reed’s impressive interception to lead the #1 Oregon Ducks past #3 Penn State in the Big Ten Championship game to remain undefeated. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss the #5 Georgia Bulldogs beating the #2 Texas Longhorns in an overtime stunner to win the SEC Championship and clinch a first round bye in the College Football Playoff, Unc and Ocho debate if Colorado Buffaloes 2-way player Travis Hunter deserves to win the Heisman Trophy over Boise State RB Ashton Jeanty and much more!04:00 - Show start04:35 - Intro06:25 - Oregon v Penn State16:00 - Clemson v SMU23:45 - Georgia v Texas34:20 - Arizona State v Iowa State37:35 - Boise St v UNLV56:00 - College Football playoff lineups59:45 - Money Moves(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Dylan Gabriel, four touchdowns, leads the Duck past the number three Penn State Nittany Lions to remain undefeated. Nico Reed picked up Drew Alar with less than two minutes left in the ballgame. Ocho, that is

as good an interception as that you'll see a collegiate player make in your life. The way he pinned him? I would never say that. Listen, the way he pinned him and held him back and didn't allow him to get through him.

You get on top of it. That was a very good that's a veteran. That's a veteran play. That's an NFL veteran DB play. Don't panic. Relax. Hold him off and let that thing drop right in the bucket to seal the game.

And you thought he was the receiver because the way he pinned it, because now the receiver can't get on top of it. I got you pinned to the sideline. Now, it's going to have to be a perfect throw because I made you run the loop. Once I made you run the loop and you couldn't stack me, now I can use my momentum to ride you to the sideline. Now, you see how the ball dropped down the chimney? It just so happens I was in front of the receiver.

So I'm the receiver now. So it dropped right down in my bread basket. And for him to make that type of a catch, at some point in time, it's hard for me to believe, Ocho, that he didn't play on the offensive side of the football at some point in time. Yeah, he had to play receiver. He had to play receiver at some point.

Because it was too smooth and too natural. Yes. Yes, for him not to play receiver at some point. Because it was too smooth and too natural. Yes. Yes, for him not to play receiver at some point. Yeah, that was an unbelievable game. I thought the Ducks were going to run away with it, Ochoa, at one point in time. I think the score was 28-10. I was like, oh, man, they're going to make mismeet of Penn State.

And it's seemingly like Penn State always gets in these games. Big games. Big games, and they don't play big. And I think that seems to be that's the that's the knock on jay franklin i'm not saying he's not a good coach but he loses far too many of these games in order for us to put him in that great category because normally ohio state he catches the l big bowl games he catches the l and it's not like he hasn't had good talent because he's had some really good talent. Dylan Gabriel tonight was 22-32, 283, four touchdowns, no picks. Oregon ran the ball 43 times for 183 yards.

And I think that's the thing that people don't realize, that how much Oregon actually runs the football, they would run it a lot more than you think they did. You think they just spray the ball all over the field. But they run the football. Nobody had a big game, Ocho. Jordan James was 20 carries, 87 yards. Norm Whittington had 15 carries for 82.

And if you look at the last, Gabriel had 11 yards. That was that last run where he got the first down, slid it, and protected himself. 43 carries, 183 yards, 283 yards passing. But they played really good. They looked really good explosive. They were really explosive offensively. You know what I would like to see, honestly? This is just

a hypothetical. I'm just throwing it out there. Obviously, with Penn State having the ball towards the end of the game and having an opportunity, they actually would have the score and go for two. Correct. I would have really liked to see that last offensive drive. I would have loved to see Penn State score. And watch Oregon, see what they can do.

And see what they can do with making an even game. We're going overtime. Let's play ball. Well, you think like I think because I'm looking at Oregon, okay? You've been going up and down the field. Now when you absolutely have to get up and down to go up the field, can you get it done now? Because we saw where there was no pressure on you.

You went down there, you got seven. And the next thing you know, you got 14. And you got X, Y, and Z, and you were boom, boom, boom, boom. Now when you absolutely have to have it, can you go get it again? When you have to, because that's the mark of really, I look at offense and defensive football, and yeah, we can say whatever. But how can you be a great defense if you can't get a stop when you need it, Ocho?

You need to get the team off the field on third down, and you don't do it, and you allow them to keep getting third down after third down after third down. Or you can't get a big stop to take them out of field goal range, or you can't get a turnover. Offensively, you're that good offensively, you can't get a first down to kill the clock to make sure the opposing offense doesn't get the ball. That's how I measure offense and defense. Yes, we like to see offense go up and down the field.

We like to see defense stop people. But when you absolutely have to have it, can you go get it done? And you were thinking the same thing I was thinking. I was like, man, I kind of want Penn State to get this thing because I want to see what Oregon can do when the back's against the wall. Because the last thing, I don't think nobody really wants to go into overtime. Because you'll never know. A tip pass here, miss that, miss there.

You really don't know. Yeah. But give Oregon credit. They're going to be the number one seed they're going to get a buy but they get to buy right but is that really good think about it think think about it normally when you get a buy i'm thinking about me but i can't i can't even talk about me because we ain't really had no blackers angles in no goddamn playoffs. We were no goddamn first seed. But I wouldn't want to lose the momentum. I wouldn't want to lose the chemistry that we have as an offense or as a defense or that flow and rhythm that we may be in. I wouldn't want no goddamn bye.

I want to keep that train rolling. Well, you know college is different than a family show. What's going to happen. You get that bye, and everything fall to shit when you come back and play. Ocho, you remember college is not like, now I don't know how this format is going because you have extra teams, but you remember college, hey, man, they need to get three, four weeks off before they play a game.

You talking about a bye? Them Jokers go home for Christmas break, come back, and get ready to play a football game, oh, Joe. They're not like us, you know. We might, you play, and then if you get home field, you got home field throughout, you used to have two byes.

Okay, you got the week off, and then you play the following week. Man, these Jokers here get three, four weeks off. Yeah, man. I don't like that. Duh. Penn State, Drew Allard, he

20-39, 2-26, three touchdowns, two interceptions. But if you go back and look at the interceptions, the guys made on him, they made some phenomenal plays. The ball was a little late. Eight made a great play. I didn't even know he picked the ball until he started running the other way. Hell, I thought the ball hit the ground.

He's running. I'm like, what the hell is he running for? He caught it. Matter of fact, he late-handed this all the way down to his knees. Yep. Penn State ran the football. I think the thing is, Ochoa, Penn State could have got the lead and relied on their rushing game. But because they fell behind, because look,

K-Tron Allen had 14 carries, a buck 24. Nicholas Singleton had 10 for a buck 05. Now, if we got the lead, we can rely on that. And so to keep the Oregon's offense off the field. I mean, they ran the ball 35 times for 292, 8.3 yards a carry, two touchdowns. But when you're behind, it's kind of hard to run the ball effectively. I mean, you get some yards, but Oregon don't care because all that is tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.

Yeah, clock going down. And so, but give a very interesting game, a game that I thought was going to be a blowout. Penn State, give them credit. They made it a very interesting game, a game that I thought was going to be a blowout. Penn State, give them credit. They made it a very interesting game. But Oregon's defense, when they had to make a play, they made a play. And the Oregon offense runs the clock out as they win the Big Ten title. The only undefeated team.

And they get the bye. Go ahead. So I got a question as far as the playoffs are concerned. Do we know the team that are going to be in the playoffs yet? No, we don't. We can assume that

Oregon, obviously, Georgia. Now, it's going to be interesting what they're going to do with Clemson. Clemson did win the ACC. They're a three-loss team. But they have three losses.

If Clemson get in, goddamn Alabama going to find a way loss team. They have three losses. If Clemson get in, Alabama going to find a way in too. It seems like Boise State is going to get in. They're a one loss team. Won a conference. Arizona State probably get in. They're a one loss team. Won the conference. It's going to be interesting to see

because now you got Penn State. Penn State is a two loss team. They're probably going to get in. Texas,-loss team. They're probably going to get in. Texas, a two-loss team. They're probably going to get in. So it's going to be interesting to see how this thing shapes up, Ocho. We don't know definitively, but I think we've got a pretty good idea of the teams. Obviously, Georgia, Oregon.

I think Oregon, Georgia, Penn State, Texas, I think those are for sure. Now we do Boise State, I think because they only lost one game, I think they get in. Arizona State has a very strong argument because they did. I know everybody says the Big 12 is down this year. Okay, fine, but they only

have one loss and they won a conference. Boise State, one loss, they lost to Oregon.. Boise State, one loss. They lost to Oregon. I think they lost 32-39. They have one loss, won a conference. I think it's a lot of these at-larges. I think it's a lot of these at-larges that's going to be... Yeah, it's going to be a lot of at-larges that's going to be, yeah, it's going to be a lot of at-larges.

We'll get to that a little later. Ocho. Okay. Woo! Clemson wins the ACC title. The Tigers convert on a walk-off 56-yard field goal to stun SMU. It's the first time SMU, it's the first year SMU was in the ACC. Right. It's the first time SMU, it's the first year SMU was in the ACC. Clint Kudnick was 24-41, 262, four touchdowns as they went on a walk-off field goal, 56 yards.

And that's what you want, Ochoa. You want these games. Look, these are supposed to be the two best teams. So the two best teams, if you got the two best teams, I don't care what nobody say. I ain't supposed to see 56-10. I ain't supposed to see 60-something-7. That's not how it's supposed to be. Like last year when Florida State played... Georgia.

Yeah, when Florida State played Georgia. No, when TCU played Georgia. It got to be 65-7. Yeah, that would nasty. That would nasty work. But tonight's game, honestly, all of the games. Today was awesome. All the championship games

were the type of games that you want to see. Yep. Yep. Give SMU, look. Clemson jumped out 21-7. Yeah. But give SMU credit. This game is really kind of like in the backyard.

Clemson is not that far from Charlotte. I'm sure they had a big contingent there because Clemson traveled very well, especially up and down in the South. They take a lot. They got a bit, you know, Clemson. They don't have the level of talent that they had, say, the last like three, four, five years when they had Deshaun and they had Trevor Lawrence and they had T. Higgins and they had Kristen Wilkins and they had all those guys, Cleland Farrell, and they had a lot of that top-tier talent, Ocho. But Clemson, man, they used to have some dogs, man.

Yeah. You know, they had D-Hawk and Sammy Walken. Yeah, they had some boys now. Martellus Bryant, Travis Etienne. They had some dogs come through there. I'm looking at SMU. Kevin Jennings, 32 of 51, three touchdowns, one interception. They ran the ball 34 times for 148 and another touchdown

and they're like man we got them and Clemson say you don't got us I mean for a college kid to kick up you know to kick that ball 56 yards Ocho in that type of situation I don't think people listen the casual fan

even the football fan wouldn't understand the kind of pressures it is on a college kicker, let alone an NFL kicker, where your foot, the game is on the line with your foot. Yeah. That's a whole lot of pressure, man. Yeah. From 30, from 40, hell, 56, that's a whole nother ballgame. You know what, Ocho, to be honest with you, tell me what you think about this. I think as the distance increases, the pressure

decreases because people now all of a sudden start to think, he ain't going to make it anyway, so why? It's not like it's 35. It's not like it's 40 and under. So now all of a sudden, we're talking about a college kid kicking 50, 55, damn near 60. So I think the pressure

decreases as opposed to, oh, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I would think it would be the opposite way because the further out you go as a kicker, if your technique is off a little bit because you're so far out, the chance of the ball going left or going right, the chance of it not actually going straight. Now, the closer in you are, the chances are,

okay, if I kick it right, even if I do happen to swing it left a little bit, it still has a chance of going because I'm not as far back. Because, but here's the thing, not everybody's expecting you to make that 30-yarder. How many people in that stadium thought a college kid is going to make a 56-yarder?

It's like having a big lead. See the pressure was on the atlanta falcons because they had the 28-3 lead yeah i'm down 28-3 oh sure throw caution to the wind so if we lose 56 to 10 who cares we're supposed to lose anyway right what happens if we come back 2018? What happens if we make it 2018-17? What happens if we boom, boom, boom? Whoa, whoa, whoa. It's a one-score game, Ocho. We got to stop here. We got to stop here, Ocho.

We get the ball back. Mm-hmm. Now the pressure. Now, as opposed to a nip and tuck ball game. Nip and tuck ball game. Hey, you got something to lose, too. I ain't got nothing to lose until 28-3. That's just me.

I mean, I could be wrong, Chad. It'd be interesting to see what you guys think. I just think as the distance increases, the pressure decreases. Well, you got to understand, you sitting here talking to a kicker himself. You feel me? I was a kicker in high school. I was a kicker in college. Hell, I was a backup kicker for the goddamn Bengals for 11-something years.

So I'm just telling you, in a situation like that, the closer you are, it's like a layup. It's like a layup. 30 yards, 25 yards, 35. Now, you start talking about 45 and back. Now, that's like Steph Curry. Now, you shoot from the three. The percentage and the chances of making it become a little bit slimmer. Right.

I remember when Patrick Ewan blew that layup, a three-foot layup, and people were like, man, how are you seven foot tall and miss a three-foot layup? You know, and I get it because, you know, you're you seven foot tall you're right there at the basket i'll be like right but he got him do i shoot it with ease do i dunk it and he got caught in between and he shot it and it kind of hit the back and he well it didn't shot he didn't kind of he shot a little too hard and it hit the back iron and carry him out um but this was an unbelievable game all the games today ocho came, they were one possession game.

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Carson Beck was 7 of 13, 56 yards. And Drew Bobo was 1 of 1 for 9 yards. But I think Stockton, I don't know if they win this game if Carson Beck stays in this game. It's almost like a situation. Because you remember when Tua, Tua got hurt and then, what you call him, came in. Jalen Hurts came in in the SEC championship game and beat, say, Georgia Bulldogs.

Or you go back to the national championship game where Jalen Hurts was playing so bad and Tua comes off the bench. Because here's the thing, Ocho. They ain't practice for Drew Starr. They ain't practice for the backup. And then? Because here's the thing, Ocho. They ain't practice for Drew. They ain't practice for the backup. You don't practice for the backup

because you don't anticipate him getting out. Especially now, if you run some plays now, the Steelers are different. I expect to see one or two plays in which Jordan Fields is going to get in the game.

So I have to, hey, he comes in the game. This is what he likes to do. They like to run the boot with him. They like to run the uh the qb power stuff like that so i gotta anticipate that i mean i hadn't seen you hadn't seen uh stockton except my book so i'm not anticipating him being in the game but this is the thing about it even even for texans where stockton coming in the game look at how much of the playbook does he he knows most of the playbook at how much of the playbook does he, he knows most of the playbook, but how much of the playbook are they going to give to him as opposed to bet?

I think that the playbook is shrinks. And then to me, defensively, it would make it a little bit easier to have to deal with him, but there's only so much thing I allow him to do. There's a reason why he is the backup. Right. I mean,

that's just my thought process. I could be wrong. Yeah. But it's Ocho. It's not, it's not like, it's not like the NFL where the disparity between the starting quarterback and the backup is so bad.

It's huge. It's huge because Stockton was probably, what, a three- or a four-star recruit? Yes, sir. So it's not like you got Patrick Mahomes and then you got his backup or you got Joe Burrow and you got his backup. Or you got Joe Burrow, and you got his backup. You got Josh Allen with a discrepancy. And talent is so vast. And so, yes, now I have to condense the playbook.

But in college, because of the talent pool that's around it, hey, bro, just get the ball out your hand. But don't show. I watched this game. Did you see that interception? Kids, can y'all stop celebrating? Texas get an interception. That's supposed to be a pick six.

All number three has to do is block seven. If he blocks it, Ocho, that's a tough. That's reservation for six. He's celebrating, and the guy runs right by him and makes the tackle. Yeah. You know your offense is struggling. Your offense is struggling to get the ball in the end zone. Yeah.

Every opportunity counts. You got to maximize that. But everybody gets so caught up in the world to celebrate. I guarantee you. I guarantee you his defensive coordinator, his DB coach is telling him exactly what you

and I are discussing. Son, if you make this block, this is a touchdown. If you go look at it, first of all, all the other receivers are way to the other side. Now you ain't got nothing but the quarterback that got hit and offensive lineman.

All you got to do is block because number seven sees it. He is that way. If three blocks number seven from the Bulldogs, that's a walk-in touchdown. They're going to probably win the game. You know, you got

to understand the excitement in a situation like that, especially for a college kid, for a young kid or something like that to be happening. You know, your mind, it goes to an instant celebration based on the play that was made as opposed to, oh, shit, let me let me look around and be focused and have that self-awareness to block to make sure he does get in there. So you got to think about when you was that age. Mm-hmm. You know, it's kind of different. So, the way we're thinking about it is completely different because we played

at the highest level and we know ain't no celebrations happening until we cross that line. You know, I ain't celebrating until I cross

that goddamn line. At that point, I'm different. You know what I'm trying to do? I'm headhunting. I'm trying to catch me somebody slipping. Oh, y'all can do that back then. You know, you can't do that no more. You can't do that now, I'm different. You know what I'm trying to do? I'm headhunting. I'm trying to catch me somebody slipping. Oh, y'all can do that back then. You know, you can't do that no more, man.

You can't do that now, Joe. But hey, I'm headhunting. You're right. I'm looking to peel somebody's cap. But here's the thing. He's coming. So this theoretically isn't a crack black or a block behind the plate. Right, right, right.

Yo, all he has to do is get a hand. Get in the way. Just get in the way. That's all he got to do. Just get in the plate. Right, right, right. Yo, all he has to do is get a hand. Get in the way. Just get in the way. That's all he got to do. Get in the way. He has a touchdown and Texas wins. Uh-huh. If they...

And Sark, if you go back and look at Sark on the sideline, he knows it. He's like, damn it. Does he know? Ocho, you know. You struggling. You struggling. Yes.

You struggling. Yeah, we need that. Man, Ocho. I'm not saying that Ewers won't be a great pro. But Ocho, he. You don't see it? Man. Bro.

You know what? Remember, it's important. It's situational. It's situational. It's depending on where he goes. You think he goes. You think he goes in later rounds and he's a backup somewhere. Then if he's in a great situation with a supporting cast that's really good,

you know, there's some receivers that can make you quarterback. There's some running backs that can take the pressure off your quarterback to where he looks good, where he looks decent. There's nothing wrong with Brock Purdy. I think Brock Purdy's the good quarterback. Yes. Look at the support and casting that he has around him. He's goddamn decent.

Right. Can you put Carson Beck in that goddamn 49ers offense? You think he's going to be okay? Yeah. It's all about timing. It's all about timing. Getting the ball out at the right time.

He has a great supporting cast. Now, can you put Carson Beckham goddamn in Carolina? No. What's the other guy's name? Oh, you're talking about Stockton? Yeah, Stockton. Oh, Quinn Ewers.

You know, Ewers in San Francisco. He'll be fine. It's all about timing. Some quarterbacks need players to elevate them. Some quarterback can elevate players. A Patrick Mahomes, a Tom Brady. There are certain quarterbacks,

they can elevate marginal talent and get more out of them. Some quarterbacks need more talent to uplift them. And there's nothing wrong with that. But, I mean, some of the mistakes that he makes, I'm like, bro, what? I'm trying to figure out because I'm trying to – because I'm like, go back and run that again because I'm trying to see what he's seeing. Sometimes, though, Troy, that's what I want the replay for because I want to see – maybe – I'm like – but I'm looking like, bro, damn.

And I know – I think he has an injury, but I don't look at him as being like mobile. And I'm probably sure there are a lot of people in Austin that's thinking if we put Arch Manning in there, we win that game. You think so? I bet you. Like I said, I don't really follow anybody.

I don't really follow any, you know, I don't follow blogs and stuff like that to see what they're saying about the local team and things like that. I don't follow really anybody that I don't think that follows Texas like that. But it's hard for me to believe because I know a lot of people thought like,

you know what, I guarantee you, they probably thought that, man, if we had Arch Manning in there that's a game that we could have won I mean but I know when Arch Manning comes in the game

I'm thinking you know what I'm thinking when he comes in the game I say it's a run it's a run the funny thing about it is when Arch played early in the season

when uh he was just out Arch could not only run yeah Arch was throwing that thing like crazy yeah he was throwing all over the field.

And listen, tonight, I mean, Texas had nobody but to blame for themselves. I mean, they had two missed field goals. Hell, they followed for the goddamn fake punt. First of all, you have to understand the situation of football. You just got a situation where you went down and scored. The last thing the team want to do is give you the ball right back. Yeah. Put your punt safe.

Punt safe. Mm-hmm. What you going to try? Where you going? Coaches got to know that. That's on the coaches. Yes. They have to know that.

It's situational football and understanding what's going on at the time. I don't get these guys. Understand, you just scored a touchdown. Clearly, you got the momentum and you just forced them to go three and out. Right. The last thing they want to do is to give you the football back.

Hey, watch the fake. Just to make sure, let's go punt safe. Right. First of all, when was the last time Texas returned a punt? Come on, bro. It's not the time to try to be hero and set up a return. Because you set up a return, your guy's going to have to go early. And now you see what happens.

Now you allow them to get a first down. They keep the ball. Yeah. It's stuff like that, Ocho, they keep the ball. It's stuff like that, Ocho. That's the thing. Situational football that's so important. And the really good ones, they understand that.

You have to know the situation and what transpired. Man, damn. We just scored. Let's get the ball back. You can't ask for anything more. You just forced them to a three and out. Now you about to get the ball back, Ocho.

Let's go putts. Say, I ain't worried about it. I don't care about a return. I just want the ball. But give Georgia credit. They went into overtime, walk it off. They played eight overtimes last week against georgia tech they play another or they play what two overtime game not one because texas kicked the

field goal and then georgia got the ball and they scored yeah they scored on theirs their possession and they went 22 19 to secure a spot in the college football playoffs and a buy because you know whoever won the sec was going to get received a bye. Arizona State makes the college football playoff with a 45-19 win over Iowa State in the Big 12 title game. Cam Scatbo and Arizona State are on quite a run. They were picked to finish last of 16 teams, Ocho. Arizona State was picked to finish 16th.

And the Big 12 debut after Arizona State was picked to finish 16th. And the Big 12 debut after being preseason picked to finish at the bottom of the conference, Sam Leavitt, 12 of 17, 219, three touchdowns. And they ran the ball 39 times for 245. Scat bowl, 16,

170, and they blow out the Iowa State Cyclones and secure their spot in the college football playoff. Damn it! That wasn't much of a game. That's the only one

where it wasn't much of a game. It was one-sided. Yeah. It was one-sided. Hey, Arizona State was good, though. Hey, listen, they surprised me. Yeah.

They surprised me. They've been bad, you know, they've been bad for a while now. Yep. So for them to come out and play the way they played the entirety of the season, you know, I mean, salute to them. Goddamn kudos. Man, we spoiled that South Colorado in this game. Yeah.

You right. All they had to do was take care of Kansas. Yeah. That's all they had to do, don't you know? So it would have been Colorado who? ASU? Iowa State. Probably Arizona State.

Yeah, that would have been a nice one. That would have been a nice game. Dang. Rocco Beck was 21-35, 2-14, two touchdowns, one interception. Look, they were just overmatched. I mean, it ain't really nothing. They could have done this and could have done that.

Arizona State has been playing unbelievable football the last six, seven weeks of the season, and they've gotten better and better and better. Their running game is outstanding. You saw the job that Scabbo did on Arizona, their rival, in-state rival. They were clearly the better team, and that's what you want to have happen, Ocho,

when we go into a game and we know, excuse me, we know we're the better team. Man, stop dilly-dallying around, man. I ain't fooling with y'all. As Cat said, I know I'm coming. Y'all know I'm coming. I know y'all going to be there

when I get there. Wow. Matter of fact, as you said, think about this, though. What's up? Just a hypothetical. If Arizona State

was to play Colorado and Scatbo ran the way he just did, what's the one thing Colorado struggled with when they played that game? Stopping the run. Hey, they better sell out to stop the damn run. You saw what Kansas did. Kansas, that running back had 200.

Who else had North Dakota State? They ran the ball. If you look at the game they lost, it was because their inability to stop the run. Yeah. Stopping the run. Run, yeah. Stopping the run and protecting the chador. Yeah. Yeah.

But we'll never know. Give Arizona State, they're going to the college football playoffs. Going to make the conference a lot of money. Salute. I like it. Number 10, Boise State grabs the college football playoff spot, beating the number 19 UNLV running Rebs in the Mountain West Championship, Aston Jenty.

32 carries, 209 yards and a touchdown. Okay. Many believe that he closed the gap. Some think he might have overtaken Travis Hunter, who was off. I don't because his odds did fall Ocho because the young man, what's he now, like 150, 160 yards away from Barry Sanders'

record? Okay, go ahead. Ash, give me his total numbers now because I think he has 344. I think he had 312, 32, 344. So he had 344 carries, but I still think he had 312, 32, 344. So he had 344 carries. But I still think he's 100 and something, 150 yards, let's just say,

give or take, 10 yards from Barry's single-season rushing record. Like I said, bowl game. So he's got another game to play. And the thing that gets him, Ocho, is that he's going he's got another game to play and the thing that gets him Ocho is that he's gonna pop one every if you go back and look he popped a 30 40 50 60 80 yarder right so now he's playing with house money because if I give him if he pops one for 70 80 yards Ocho I give him the ball 20 more times he's gonna have at least 80 yards listen I don't i don't like i don't listen i i don't think you understand before you go ojo he has 344 carries he's three yards short of of five uh 2500 uh so he needs, I think Barry had 26-28. So he needs 132 yards to break Barry's single season rushing total.

Now, remember now, Ocho, Barry did play in the Holiday Bowl. He rushed for 225 and five touchdowns, but those stats didn't count. And a lot of NFL players are voicing their support for Aston Jenty. Jonathan Stewart, Aston Jenty is the Heisman winner. If you swap Colorado, they

are in the top 10 team. Matt Leinert, Brock Huard said Aston Jenty should win the Heisman trophy. Right. Ocho, I think you have strong disagreement with that. Yeah, you're goddamn right I have a strong disagreement. I just want to name all the people that have done what Ashton Gentry has done. No disrespect.

No disrespect to him. You know, kudos, salute, you know, for his achievement this season. Barry Sanders has been a 2,000-yard rusher in college. Am I correct? Yes. Melvin Gordon has been a 2,000-yard rusher in college as college. Am I correct? Yes. Melvin Gordon has been a 2,000-yard rushing in college as well. Am I correct? Yes.

Marcus Allen. Am I correct? The first 2,000-yard rushing in college. Okay. Derrick Henry. Am I correct? Yes. LaDainian Tomlinson.

Am I correct? Yes. Adrian Peay. Wait, wait a minute. No, AP did 1960s freshman year. I meant to say, remember Troy Davis? He did it twice. He did it twice.

Troy Davis, he went to South Ridge down here, down south in Miami. Let me keep going. Matt Forte had 1,000, right? 2,000. Correct? Yep. Ricky Williams had a 2,000 yard season, correct? Yes.

Or Larry Johnson, Kansas City and played for Cincinnati. Larry Johnson had a 2,000-yard season, correct? Yes. Our Larry Johnson, Kansas City, and played for Cincinnati. Larry Johnson had a 2,000. Ed Smith from Central Florida had 2,500. Christian McCaffrey had a 2,000-yard season, right? Ron Dane. I'm still going on and on and on the people that have achieved exactly what Ashton Gentry has done

what Travis Hunter has done this season on both sides of the ball hasn't been done before it hasn't been done before at the level at the level he's done it we've had two way players we've had the Charles Wilsons the Chan Bailey's is it. Yes, we've had two-way players. We've had the Charles Wilsons, you know,

the Chan Bailey's. Is it Chris Gamble? What you call him did it? Miles Jack did it also. Miles Jack, you know, yes, they've done it, but they didn't do it to the extent in which

he did it every goddamn snap of the season. Both sides of the ball. Efficient on both sides of the ball. Come on, man. I respect what Brother Jinty has done, but everybody's done it. Nobody's done what Travis Hunter has done this year on the defensive side of the ball and the offensive side of the ball.

Every snap? Come on, man. What are we talking about? And that's no disrespect to my brother from Boise State. Man, you had a hell of a season. Yes. But what Travis Hunter did this year, man, is different, man. That's some old alien type.

Man, come on, man. Know that. I'm going to let you finish. I don come on, man. Know that. I'm going to let you finish. I don't want to say the wrong thing. Yeah, for me, I think Travis Hunter is the best collegiate player in college football. And I'm not talking about snaps because snaps is not a stat. But I'm saying if you look at what he did on the offensive side of football,

you look at what he's done on the defensive side of the football, it's hard for me to say that I've seen a better college player. I haven't. I don't know if we've seen a better college athlete that played a game of football. I can't say that I've seen that. And to be top five in receiving yards, to be top five in receptions, to play at the level that he played at on the defensive side of the football, that's just me.

Look, and I understand, I respect these guys. Matt Liner is a Heisman Trophy winner, and he gets the vote. Brock Huard analyzed the game. I love the way he called the game. Jonathan Stewart played in the league and played at a very high level. So I respect all these guys' opinion. But for me, the best

collegiate player in football is Travis Hunter. I mean, anyone that would disagree, again, some people are going to hold Travis at the stake because of their personal vendettas against prime because it's colorado for whatever reason they won't give him his credit

his due credit you know those people that can't get or side with their personal reason for hating prime and i are gonna allow that to affect what travis hunter has done and their decision making when it comes to you know the heisman voting or just like, it's ridiculous, man. It's ridiculous. Yeah. And those that have played the game of football, that have actually played the game of football and are watching him do what he's doing and still have thoughts that someone else should win the Heisman

is beyond me because I've never seen it. And I was a great athlete. And I ain't never seen no shit like that. Yeah. And I don't care. What the hell is y'all looking at? And my thing is, I don't care if he can do it at the next level.

We're talking about at this level. The Hollywood Trophy ain't got nothing to do with the NFL level. We're talking about this year. And for people to say, well, he's not even a top 10 player. Come on now. You're not a who? I believe on now. You're not a who?

I believe, look. You're not a what? Yeah. See, now y'all just saying stuff just to say stuff. Because he is a top 10 player. And his draft status is going to reflect that. Yeah. Look, maybe he won't be as good a receiver in the NFL. Maybe he won't be as good a receiver in the NFL.

Maybe he won't be as good a DB. But we're talking about right now as a collegiate player, Ocho. That's what we're talking about. Because who would just say that Ashton Gentry is going to go to the NFL and play and have the type of career in the NFL that he had in college? A lot of times, Troy Davis, I don't even think, played a snap. Matt Forte had a couple of good years in the NFL. I think the Smith kid from UFC and UCF,

I don't think he might have, well, I think he played like a year or two in Detroit, but he never had the, obviously, look, Barry and LaDainian, Marcus Allen, you know, hey, Ron Dane. Ron Dane didn't have the type of career. He was the all-time lead rusher in college history. Right.

Ricky Williams. You hear me? It's different at that next level now. It's one thing to be able to... When you get to that next level with them grown men, them grown men that got mouths to feed, them grown men that have a wife to take care of,

they got kids, feed them grown men they have a wife to take care of they got kids mortgages due car note, rent, insurance side chick I guess you gotta realize you finna come to the next level

think you running for $2,000 every season man shit because here's the thing in college and what I try to tell people. Look, on a college team, let's take the best college team ever assembled. Let's just say out of 115 players, they got 30 NFL players. Right. The NFL got a 53-man roster.

All of them low-foles in the NFL. All of them there. Even the 15 or 16 practice squad guys are in the nfl so that's the difference what you're going against every and what i tell people this oh sure i should tell people all the time i don't care if you talk take the best player the best offensive lineman the best defensive lineman you take the best db you take the best wide receiver. Right. If that guy is in the NFL, he can make him look foolish. An average DB can take a great wide receiver and tie it. What happened to him?

He must be hurt. Right. And the same thing. I've seen great offensive linemen and guys, just guys. How you beat that man for two sacks? That man's a first-team all-pro tackle, and you got two sacks and three pressures on him? Yep.

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It's different when you're going up against a grown man and his only job is to what? Be a football player. Yeah. These guys got to go to class. They got to go to study hall. They got to do all this other stuff. Professionals, all they do is play professional football. Yeah.

And, you know, some people will say, like, where I said, basically, that it's grown men at the next level and it's not going to be easy. And then they will probably say, well, hell, the same will go for Travis Hunter and him being successful at the next level. Listen, if you know football, if you understand skill sets, if you understand DNA, if you understand a person being special at what they do, you know when it's going to transition well. He's one of them players. He's one of those people. He's one of those people. It's going to transition. Just so people don't say,

you just said it's difficult when players go from college and the chance of making it at the next level or being as successful as you were in college at the next level is difficult. Yes. But you can tell. You just know. But Ocho, we're not saying he's going to dominate the NFL

like he did college. I mean, I'm not. But I'm saying, we're not saying he's going to dominate the NFL like he did college. Right. I mean, I'm not. But I'm saying, let's just say he has to speak. Let's just say they have packages. Because you know what happens, Ocho. When you have a dominant college career, people automatically assume you're going to come do that in the NFL.

Yeah, the expectations are up there. But you set those expectations by doing what you've done at the collegiate level. So it doesn't matter when you play football or basketball or baseball or whatever the case may be. When you have, when you set lofty expectations, when you see guys like a Fred Curley in track, or you see guys like a Michael Norman in track, and they have outstanding careers. What is it? Xavier X-Man. He won the 100 and the

400 meters, but injuries. So they expect you to go, I mean, but there are some guys, you look at Michael Johnson, Michael didn't have that great a college career, and he's one of the two or three greatest track sprinters in the history of the sport. When you talk about speed.

So you talk about, you know, from 400 down, I mean, what you got? You say? Maybe Carl? That's it. Mm-hmm. But he didn't have a stellar career like some of these others. carl carl could have

made the eight olympics had he not boycotted but you don't you don't know ocho but i'm just saying i'm i'm going i'm throwing nfl apart i'm talking about right now what we saw this year ocho right but but listen though i'll think about think about the great receivers when you saw megatron at georgia tech yeah you know what time it was when you saw laratron at Georgia Tech you knew what time it was when you saw Larry Fitzgerald at Pittsburgh you knew what time it was you know when you saw Julio Jones at Alabama you knew what time it was

when you saw Travis Hunter at fucking Colorado you knew what time it is I knew Megatron would even be better pro I say cause if he ever had a quarterback he could be something special. Because he was at Georgia Tech. They ran the football.

Yeah. So he catching 45 passes. But when you look at his size, he's 6'4", 240. He's running for three. Yeah. You're like, who going to deal with that? First of all, who going to press it? What did he try to press

megatron okay now you get him in the red zone you got to give him gunner you got to give him gunner gunner support basically line two guys up on the top over top yeah or he gonna jump up and catch the ball he got a 40 plus inch burden he's six foot four he's 240 yeah so we saw when he got a quarterback well you just saw the numbers that he put up yeah he just had arguably one of the greatest single seasons in the history he still has the record almost 2 000 yards in 16 games yeah so you you're absolutely right sometimes you can just look at a guy and see it translate like, yeah, he's going to be... He's going to be him.

He's going to be him. Well, guess what, Ocho? Next Saturday, we're going to find out. All this speculation, I think he should win because there's going to be some disappointed folks on both sides. People are going to say

JT should have won if he doesn't win. People are going to say Travis should have won if he doesn't win. But hey, whatever say Travis should have won if he doesn't win. But, hey, whatever the case, it's not a situation where it's like Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow was the overwhelming favorite. Reggie Bush was an overwhelming favorite. You know how I see it?

I don't even see it as people shouldn't even be sad. If Jenty wins, if Travis wins, at the end of the day, both of them won regardless and i'm not talking about the goddamn heisman i'm just saying in general both of them won regardless no matter who's going home with that goddamn trophy they both had great seasons therefore they both get ready to do great things at the next level man look here ocho i want that trophy i happen to get here to tell him hey i'm just happy I'm just happy to be a part of it. It's such a great company.

I want that trophy because guess what? You want the hardware. You want the hardware. Because they remember that. You see all those, the Heisman House and they have all those old guys.

They have Archie Griffin and they have Marcus Allen. They have Barry and they have Tebow and they have all these guys. Bro, I want to be a part of that. That commercial would be funny as hell. Yeah. Yeah. Because guess what, Ocho?

15 years from now, ain't nobody going to remember no 2,000 yard rush season if you don't win the trophy. We remember Marcus, he was the first to do it. He won the Heisman. Barry did it. He won the Heisman. Ricky did it. He won the Heisman. Ricky did it. He won the Heisman.

Henry did it. He won the Heisman. Y'all don't mean to say if you ain't got that trophy to come along with it, though, Joe. All right. Listen, I'm with you when you're right. I'm just being honest. I'm with you when you're right yeah I'm just I'm just being honest

yeah I'm with you but that 2000 yards it was a beautiful thing it was a great thing you know but so many other people have done it already right

what Travis Hunter's done we haven't seen that before yes not that level consistently week in and week out it's gonna be very very interesting

I'm ready for Saturday to come i'm ready for saturday to come um i'm ready for saturday to come so we can find out all right this is how everything is assuming the college football playoff will shake out first round by oregon big 10 champion in the rose bowl excuse me georgia number two sec champion in the sugar bowl number Number three, Boise State, Mountain West champion, Fiesta Bowl. Number four, Arizona State, Big 12 champion in the Peach Bowl. First round games, SMU at number five, Texas, winner to the Peach Bowl. Number 11, Clemson, ACC champ at Penn State,

winner to the Fiesta Bowl. Number 10, Indiana at Notre Dame, went into the Sugar Bowl. Number 10, number nine, Tennessee. Oh, no, number 10, Indiana versus at Notre Dame, went into the Sugar Bowl. Number nine, Tennessee at number eight, Ohio State, went into the Rose Bowl. Ooh, boy, the Rose Bowl. Ooh. Boy, the SMU. Yeah.

The SMU, man. Hey. SMU. SMU at Texas or do you want to see Alabama at Texas? Ooh. That's a good one. Clemson. I know you're the champions.

Three losses. Ooh. that's a good one Clemson I know you're the champions three losses at Penn Clemson at Penn State went to the Fiesta Bowl okay okay okay okay dang it's gonna be interesting

Ocho it's gonna be very very interesting very definitely is it's going to be interesting Ocho it's going to be very very interesting very it definitely is damn I can see a scenario where SMU get bumped what? for who?

Bama oh yeah Uncle you got to follow the money baby uncle you gotta follow the money baby you gotta follow the money you know at the end of the day no matter what they got to generate that revenue I need the college teams in the playoff

that generates the most revenue and the people are going to travel I need that money. It's into the day. Yeah. So, so, so this would be home game for those teams or would it be neutral?

Would it be neutral site games? And then, and the winner goes to the Rose bowl goes to the X, X, Y, and Z. Okay. She can leave those games and be home.

Texas will be home. Georgia probably talking about, hey, let her go to the Peach Bowl because the Sugar Bowl is in New Orleans. Georgia said, let us go to the peach bowl because the sugar bowl is in New Orleans Georgia said let us go back to the Mercedes Benz though

but I honestly Ocho I don't know what you think but I can see a scenario where SMU gets bumped

for Alabama oh listen I just told you I just told you if it does happen I think people need to understand I mean you can be upset

you know at the end of the day you know what the bottom line is you know what the bottom line is. Oh, you know what the bottom line is. They want the best teams in there. They claim they always want the best teams in there, the teams with the best record,

the teams that are deserving of being there. But at the end of the day, it's all about the bottom line. The bottom line will always be a dollar. Yep. What teams can generate, what college teams can generate us the most revenue? That's what it comes down to, no matter what.

Ocho, it's time for Money Moves presented by DraftKings. Money Moves, I got Money Moves. I'm finna rap cause you know I'm in the mood. They call me Ocho, you know I'm playing. Oh, my bad. After Championship Saturday, here's the updated championship odds as presented by DraftKings.

Oregon is plus 320. Georgia is plus 380, followed by Ohio State at plus 400. Texas at plus 450. Notre Dame plus 750. Penn State plus 1,200. Tennessee plus 2,500. Clemson plus 3,000. Followed by Alabama

plus 3,000. SMU plus 3,000. Boise State plus 4,000. Arizona State plus 4,000. I'm gonnana bet something who you been with hold on

put your money down there matter of fact I'm finna bet I'm finna I'm finna I'm finna double up right so I can pay you back nah

how you hold on how you go to the bank borrow money don't pay them back and then go back and say hey let me borrow let me get some more money I'm gonna pay you back to the bank, borrow money, don't pay them back, and then go back and say, hey, let me get some more money. I'm going to pay you back with the money I owe you.

Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm going to take what I owe you, and I'm going to bet that, and I'm going to win. I'm going to double up, then I'm going to give you what I owe you. No. I'm going to break even.

So I know you. You that dude at the table. We rolling dice and shooting pool. You're going to borrow money from me And then try to bet And bet me How you gonna bet me With my money

We family I told you Long as I owe you You'll never be broke baby I'm trying to figure out This man at the table He borrowed money from me And then gonna talk about

He gonna fade me on the dice Oh hell you ain't gonna fade me With my damn money. Man, you better get out of here. Hey, Chad, how the hell do that? Give me seven, baby. Come on. Baby need shoes.

Mama need clothes. Blowing them dice for me, Chad. Chad, blowing my dice. Blowing them dice for me, Chad. I appreciate that. I'm trying to figure out. We left Tennessee, Ohio State. Oh, Indiana. So they left Indiana out of this thing.

They don't believe Indiana's gonna make it. No. What's the Indiana record? How many games did Indiana lose? They lost one game. They lost to Ohio State. Yeah, I was just gonna say they only lost one game.

Indiana played real well. Somebody's going to get bunked. Indiana or SMU going to get bunked. For me, I think SMU is the most likely candidate. You think so? I do. I do. It's a sad thing man it's a sad thing but again money controls all money controls all at the end of the day

oh joe who you got who you like winning the national championship man this i i could honestly say this might be the most wide-open national championship I've seen in a very, very long time, Mojo. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. You asked me a question, I can't even get no answer because one minute Georgia look good,

the next minute they don't. One minute Texas look good, the next minute they don't. Oregon, even though they're undefeated, hell, half the time, sometimes they don't even look good. Yes. So everybody's inconsistent with their play.

There hasn't been any one team that's been dominant throughout the entirety of the season. So if I just had to throw a guess for a team out there, the quarterback play for Georgia is too goddamn inconsistent. It's just you don't get the playoffs.

Some of them turnovers that you've had in the regular season, but you've been able to come back, you won't be able to do that. What's your word? You play double? Yeah, you play double for turnovers. Yeah, man, it's different now. God almighty, no.

Everything that you said, I saw some things I didn't like from Oregon's defense. Georgia's offense is inconsistent. They do play really good defense. Ohio State, I don't like from Oregon's defense. Georgia's offense is inconsistent. They do play really good defense. Ohio State, I don't know how you lose to Michigan at home because your quarterback, I love Notre Dame's defense,

but their offense has been inconsistent. They played really well late. Oh, man. See? See what I mean? Chat, who y'all think? mean chat who y'all think chat who y'all got who y'all got winning

and Carson Beck how serious is that injury Ojo elbow yeah how serious did he tear some ligaments is it

I could listen I know it's I know it's college I don't know if it's against it's against the NCAA you know rules or not Carson Beck if you see this

I can get you right I get you I can get you right. I can get you right. I'm telling you now. I tell you no lie. Get that elbow. And y'all saw, look, y'all saw the committee. The committee said, look, Alabama is 6-1 against

team above 500. They're 4-1 against top 25 team. Bro, they gave y'all the blueprint. They told you what they were thinking. So, it's going to be, hey, look, man, I've never seen

the national championship that has so many flaws. Every team, I can pick something apart about Ocho and say why they want win. But man, ooh. I just don't see Georgia winning with a backup quarterback. Ohio State.

Not that one. No disrespect. Not that one. Hell, I'll take Notre Dame. I want to see Freeman do something. You picking Notre Dame just because of... Brother, we got to stick together. We got to stick together. No, I mean, let me just...

Damn. And I'm trying to do it by picking the best quarterback. Where he at? I know that's the problem. That's the problem. That's the problem. Oh, my goodness.

Chad, what you think, Chad? Help me out. I mean, if you had to say the best quarterback, I would probably lead towards Gabriel say the best quarterback I would probably lead towards Gabriel of the group that's here yeah

so you don't like Ewers at all huh mm-mm two injury two turnover problem and I can't I'm a beaver man I can't pick Oregon man I just I just I can't, I'm a beaver, man. I can't pick organ, man. I just, I just, I can't do that. Yeah. You like, you eat beaver too, huh?

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