Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Eric Bieniemy to UCLA, Cam Newton gets jumped, should court storming be banned?

Episode Date: February 26, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Eric Beiniemy getting passed up by the NFL, Cam Newton getting jumped ay a 7-on-7 tournament, and debate whether or not court storming should be banned in the future. 0:00 Introduction05:10 Eric Bieniemy joins UCLA as OC10:15 Ocho talks about EB’s coach style being “very harsh”17:05 Richard Sherman arrested for DUI26:05 Cam Newton involved in brawl35:40 “You never see kids being disrespectful to Peyton or Eli” - Unc42:50 Duke player Kyle Filipowski hurt after players storm court51:30 Unc on why women college basketball players make more money in college than in the WNBA58:40 Ocho says WNBA players need to be paid more01:02:00 Ocho talks about running for president, wants Unc as his VP #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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because Gil does a, on Wednesday with us. That would be a huge honor for us if we were to win. But if we don't guess what? We're coming back next year. I'm going to try to win it again. But eventually, we're going to get one of these awards, Ocho. One of these big awards. They can't keep dodging us.

Yeah, they can't keep dodging. We're going to get one of them. I'm not sure which one it's going to be, but when we do get it, we want to make sure to let the people know that we appreciate you. We appreciate all of you for voting for us, allowing us to grow at such an exponential rate at a very fast pace.

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you got fantasy, you got cash three. You got cash four. You got fantasy five. Every time I play, they've got to miss me. I just got to hit them once. Yeah. They keep nominating us, Ocho. Every time, eventually, we might be like Susan Lucha.

We might go 17, 18, 19 years, but eventually, they're going to land on us. All it takes is one, huh? That're going to land on us. All it takes is one, huh? That's all it takes is one. All it takes is one. That's all it takes. And we're going to be in the house. So please make sure y'all hit that like button.

Make sure you hit that subscribe button. And we greatly, greatly appreciate it. Ocho, let's jump right into it. Time for our first segment of the day. And it's called Newscap. Eric B. Enemy was not offered an NFL offensive coordinator job this hiring cycle and will join the UCLA Bruins as their new offensive coordinator. After 16 seasons as an NFL assistant coach,

EB, Eric Banamee, has taken the job as the assistant head coach and offensive coordinator on the collegiate level. As Mike Freeman wrote this morning, it's embarrassing for NFL and its team, its owners that someone as good as EB has to scamper

off to college. And he didn't leave college to become a head coach. And he didn didn't leave college to become a head coach. And he didn't leave for college to become a head coach. He left to become an assistant coach. Someone who has two Super Bowls as an offensive coordinator, who went to five consecutive conference championship games that included three Super Bowl appearances, will reportedly coach the UCLA.

No offense to UCLA, but this is a big step down. EB is the first significant hire of new head coach, UCLA head coach Deshaun Foster. Ocho, what are your thoughts on EB? I mean, I wouldn't say or call it a downgrade. Obviously, being able to coach at the collegiate level is good. Being able to coach at the NFL level is good. Obviously, we know probably Eric Benham's dreams

are to be a head coach someday, but we understand how that works when it comes to minorities being hiders, head coaches. Those opportunities come far and few. Obviously, we have some success stories with Mike Tomlin, D'Amico Ryans, obviously, and we have a few others that I'm not going to name right now.

But obviously, I think what might have stunted his opportunity to get a head coaching job might have been what happened down in D.C. last year with them not from an offensive perspective. They were worse than they were the previous year. The previous year. So that kind of hurts a little bit. And owners will look at that as well and wanting to bring him in. And, you know, being great at what you do when you have a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes you have an offense like that but when you have a quarterback like that it makes everything that much better and that much easier from the offensive coordinating position so when you don't have that kind of talent around you what were you able to do we didn't have a probably arguably the best quarterback around you

what does your offense look like? And obviously the commanders didn't look as good as they should have, obviously declining in productivity the previous years. And you know how the owners are. They're very, very fickle. For one, they already want people being leaders of men that are like-minded and look exactly like them. Yes. You already know that.

Look like them, talk like them, act like them, travel in and look exactly like them. Yes. You already know that. And that's never going to change. Look like them, talk like them, act like them, travel in the same circle as them. Listen, I understand the Rooney rule and all that, but listen, that is all smoke and mirrors. That is all smoke and mirrors, and it's been this way for a very long time. And we continue to try to knock down doors

and argue for the fact that certain people should be getting a job when they don't want to hire us to begin with. And we know that, but we continue to fight. That's all you can do. Oh, Joe,

I thought it was a mistake him leaving anyway. And he let people convince him. Well, you need to go outside of Andy, bro. If you weren't going to get a head coaching job with Andy, what make, and you got my homes and you got all,

you got Travis Kelsey and you had Tyreek Hill. Tyreek has been gone for two years and you got my homes and you got all you got travis kelsey and you had tyreek hill tyreek has been gone for two years and you've had the office that you had you tell me where you thought you were gonna go and you were gonna be able to put implement your scheme less talent and get a head coaching job you know the funny thing when i think about it uh from a receiver respect receiver, the commanders have great talent. They have great talent, especially with Jahan Dawson and Terry McLaurin. And just I think what they were lacking might have been the quarterback position. If you had a quarterback with the likes of Mahomes or maybe not even Mahomes, just a little bit more efficient.

You know, a little bit more efficient, a little bit more consistent. Then the numbers would look different and we reflect on them offensively but because you didn't no disrespect to sam howe no disrespect at all but the numbers are what they are yeah things decree things got worse in your second year as a coordinator and what do they look at what do they look at who are they going to blame even if you're losing those games if sam howe goes out there and throw for 4,800 yards, 32 touchdowns, you have a couple of receivers that have 1,000 yards. They're like, you know what?

I think, you know, with the right quarterback and the right, you know, hey, get his people in here, I think he could do something. But that wasn't what happened. And he was already up against it. They were already looking for a reason not to give you a job. Yeah. Anything. You know that. Yes. You know that. But I tell you what Andy

thought of him. Andy thought so much of him. When they played the Ravens, guess who came back in and spoke to the team? Yeah. E.B. Eric Manning. E.B., yeah. Because he was the count officer. He was the guy that held everybody accountable. From Patrick Mahomes to Travis Kelsey.

It did not matter. On that side of the ball, E.B. held you responsible. Yeah. His coaching style is very different. His coaching style is very different. He's very hard on players. Matter of fact, for people in the chat, I'm not sure if you ever saw it, Eric Bien-Ami's coaching style, which many don't know about,

it kind of reminds me of, did you ever see the documentary called The Year of the Bull? No. No. Okay. Well, his coaching style is how I like to say how the kids, our kids are coached here in Florida. Very harsh. Yeah. Very harsh on top of you, no matter who you are. Everybody's not expendable, but everybody is held to the same standard. Yes. I don't care whether you're the best player on the team or you're the worst player on the team. Everybody got it, no matter what. And that's the way he coached. And you hear a lot of players, former players that play for him that weren't too fond of his coaching style. No. But usually when you have a coach like that, that wants to get the best out of you,

that's what you need. Yeah. I like being held accountable, but I want everybody to be held accountable. Right. Because if I'm in my chair and meeting starts at nine o'clock if i'm in my chair at 858 why the hell somebody less than less tier to me or even better than me they can find during that 902 right right are we trying to win or we not i mean so what was so important that shannon sharp could get here on time but you couldn't right what was so important that sh Sharp could get here on time, but you couldn't? Right. What was so important that Shannon Sharp could stay awake in the meeting, but you couldn't?

What was so important that Shannon Sharp understood that he got to play at the same time you did? And you've been in the league four or five years, and Shannon's been in the league eight years. Why couldn't you learn the plays when we came out there for walkthrough and when we hit practice? But I could. Look, I don't ask any more.

I don't ask. I didn't ask any more from my teammates than I was willing to give. And that's why I was able to hold them accountable. But that's why they were able to respect me and to respond because they knew what I was giving up to be great. Everybody's not going to be great. Everybody's not going to be great, but just because everybody is not going to be a Patrick Mahomes at the quarterback position or Ray Lewis or Aaron Donald or, or Jonathan Ogden,

that don't mean you can't play to your best potential. That doesn't mean that you can't practice like, like you an all pro. That doesn't mean you can't study. Yeah. And matter of fact, when you aren't like the great ones, that means you have to do that much more.

You got to do little things. You got to pay attention to the small details, the small details of everything, no matter whether it's the playbook, whether it's your assignment, whether it's your spacing, whether it's your alignment, you have to be that much better

in all the smaller details when you don't have the skill like everyone else does that's exactly right so I wish EB the best you know Ocho we say this that whatever God

has planned for you nobody getting in the way of that it's for you maybe it's not in the cards for EB to be an NFL head coach. Because Antonio Pierce did not call the defensive snaps. Right.

He got a head coaching job. We've seen Matt Nagy not call offensive plays for Kansas City in the same room. See, that's what people got people befuddled. It's like, hold on. Matt Nagy got the Chicago head coaching job, and he didn't call plays in Kansas City.

Andy Reid did. They said the same thing about Doug Peterson. He never called plays under Andy. But he got the job at Philly, and he got the job at Jacksonville. Well, he obviously he called plays in Philly. Yeah. Same thing with Frank Wright, right? Right. Get called plays, but he got the Indy job. You have to understand the relationships.

You have to understand the people have to understand the dynamic of those relationships. When it comes to coaches that you will always have a job, no matter what, it's not who you is. It's not what you know is who, you know? Yes. It's not what you know it's who you know yes it's not what you know it's who you know and basically when you come when you come from that tree up under other coaches and other people get jobs all they do is they bring you along so you will always have a job no matter what that's that's why it's always like you be good because if you look at it look at look at mike look at shanahan look McVay Mike McDaniel

The guy in Green Bay All those guys But look who they hire At some point in time They were lesser tier guys On the San Francisco staff Or they were lesser tier guys And they just pluck up

Hey, I got a guy for you Boom, boom, boom, boom. That's how they do it. You always have a job. Long as you don't, you can't burn no bridges. That's it. You can't burn no bridges.

You got to understand how important that is, how important those friendships and relationships are when it comes to coaching. You can't burn no bridges. That's why I feel very comfortable that I was always going to be able to get a job.

Right, right. Because if Gary Kubiak went out, got a job, I was going to be able to get a job with his team. And then I saw Marvin go get a job. Jack Del Rio got a job. All those guys got jobs that was on that staff. You know, they played with me. They know what I brought to the table.

Now, maybe I wasn't a guy that's going to give you 80 catches on a thousand yards, but I was going to be valuable not only on the field with lesser stats, but I was going to be invaluable in the locker room. Sometimes, people think locker room doesn't matter. That only matters because

people that's never been in a locker room and people don't know the dynamic of a locker room. It don't know the dynamic of a locker room oh it matters oh it absolutely matters uh and we kind of touched on this oh joe do you believe do you believe he should have ever left kansas city no i think that's the question that people are asking that that that is a great that is a great situation you know that's a great situation and i'm thinking i'm putting myself in B&M's shoes and understanding what I have, understanding the greatness that I have, the ability to coach in Patrick Mahomes.

There's no why I'm leaving that. And obviously, I say it all the time. Every time we talk about Mahomes, I say the situation with Mahomes and Andy Reid and the Chiefs is similar to that of the Patriots when they had Brady. The pieces to that puzzle offensively will always change. As long as that one centerpiece, as long as that one nuance is always in place in Mahomes, comparison to Brady, you're going to always win. You're going to always win. You're going to always be in contention.

And you never leave a situation like that ever, ever. It's like having a girlfriend. It's like having a girlfriend that does everything for you does everything for you but then you have other potentials that you think may be better and you want to go take a shot thinking the grass is green on the other side the grass ain't never or rarely always greener on the other side when you have greatness right here in front of you yeah if. If you water and fertilize your grass, your glass, your grass going to be lush. Every time. Every time.

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In March of 2022, he pleaded guilty to first-degree negligent driving, which included two years of monitored supervision. The two-year period has not yet expired. Shit. I know Shererm a little bit um i used to speak to him a lot when he played you know we would touch base and that was you know all for insight about not just not his game because i didn't play the cornerback position but about how he should handle certain situation and when he took the job at fs, I talked to him, talked to him occasionally about what to expect and how to prepare and how to become great. Cause I said,

I believe you want to be great just like you were when you played the cornerback position. So this is really tough for me. But what I don't understand is that Sherm has been in this situation before and for him to allow himself to put no for him to put himself back in harm's way because you do realize this isn't about you because once you become you inebriated and you become behind the wheel you blank bring everybody else that's on to in the that's on the road you bring him to the equation yes sir now you hey he got stopped luckily no one got hurt but how many times we just saw a guy get what 12 13 years in henry ruggs yeah lady lost her life

he lost his career right and and sherm had just gone through this in 21, not even two years ago. Yeah. Not even two years ago, Ocho. Yeah. I mean, bro, I get it. I get it, Ocho. And people are like, well, Shannon, why they want... I say, bro, people need you to see that Ferrari.

They need you to see that Lambo or that Range or that Cullinan. If I take an Uber or a Lyft because I'm driving, you not going to see that. I need to pull up to the club and you need to see me get out. Them gold wing doors and them gold doors open up. You need to see that quarter of a mil car that I got. If I come up in an Uber, if I come up in a Lyft, bro, come on now. Yeah. That's the thinking.

But, Ocho, we've seen enough to know that can happen to me because you've seen some some people that you know and seen it happen to and saw it happen to so this notion that oh man that could never happen to me oh sure i was the same way i ain't never wore a seat belt the first time i wore a seatbelt was in 1999. You know what happened? Derrick Thomas got in a car accident. He got thrown from a car because he wasn't wearing a seatbelt. I knew DT.

Yeah, we had our issues, but I knew DT. We hung out together. We partied together. We worked out together, and we went to numerous Pro Bowls together where he drove, and I was in the car with him, and we laughing and talking. So that was a personal situation like, oh, hell, that happened. It ain't somebody in Kansas that I didn't know. That's somebody I really, really knew.

And for Sherm to allow to put himself back in harm's way and to bring and potentially bring others. That's what I'm most disappointed in because he knows better yeah um listen i i love sherm very very good friend of mine obviously um spoken to him many of times throughout the years you know over the years i respect him as a player i respect him as a man i respect him as an individual with a brilliant mind someone with a brilliant mind with great knowledge of the game on and off the field. Obviously, I'm disappointed in his decision to want to continue to drink after having situations in the past before, as someone who has made mistakes in life as well. I have learned from those mistakes. I have learned from

those lessons and those times. I know what it's like, those times of getting in trouble and it's dark. You know, there's no help. All those that were in your corner, obviously, when it's time for those to support you, everybody gone. I know what it's like. I know what Sherman's probably going through right now. You got to fix it. You got to fix it. It's tough.

How do you fix it? I don't know. You got to get help because clearly that's an issue that he wants to drink and feel he can drive. And no matter. Right. You know, it's funny. It's funny that I really have no. It's hard for me to speak on the topic outside of the mistake itself because I've made mistakes in life myself. But I'm not a drinker, so I'm not sure how hard it is for someone to give up on something like alcohol. Is it really that hard to give up, especially if it's affecting now not just other people's lives, but your livelihood and the work that you do? So it's hard for me to talk on it.

So I'm curious. You wouldn't know better than I do when it comes to alcohol. Is it that difficult to stop? How about I put it to you like this? You take your worst situation. Would you put yourself back in that situation again? Oh, no. See, I got to

give you, see, what I try to do is that I try to give people things that they, see, you don't drink, so you don't know what it's like to stop drinking or drink and then try to get behind the wheel. How about I put it to you like this? I take your worst situation and then would you put yourself back in that situation

again? Because you know what? If you take my worst situation that I've had, I'd never recover again because I ain't getting a second chance. See? I'm not getting another chance. It ain't happening. Come hell or high water. And it wasn't in God's favor. It wasn't in God's favor. You know, God's favor you know I don't do all that

preaching God this and God that but I know I know good and God damn well how I'm back where I fell from again it ain't no God damn ain't no God damn luck damn I mean listen I love Sherman to death man I hope he gets the help that he needs

I'm sure he will be in the brilliant mind that he is outside the mistake that he's made. The reoccurring mistake that he's made. He's going to be all right. I think he's going to be all right. But you can't put not just yourself in harm's way, but others as well on the road. And see, that's the thing, Ocho. It's not an isolated incident it's just not you right because guess what you brought every other car that's on the road at the time that you on the road you brought them into the equation right

and oh but it didn't but I'm saying we always say what it didn't happen but then when it does happen oh I'm saying thoughts and prayers thoughts and prayers they help nobody right I just I just feel I just

like I said I like I said I know Sherm and I just hate that he put himself back in this situation we are after the Super Bowl Delaney Walker in 2013 he lost his uncle and aunt no his yeah his uncle and aunt were killed by drunk drivers five hours after watching him play in the Super Bowl.

The Nail House. He lost his sister-in-law and three nephews that were killed by a drunk driver a few years ago. Nephews were five, two and seven months. You know, I don't think when you think about your time, you see, you never look. Your reaction time is so much slower. It's bad, huh? Yes. It's kind of like when you don't have enough sleep.

Your reaction time, if they keep you up and they put people through tests in the military, they want you to be able to function. That's why they wake you up. That's why they call it hell week. They put you through the test and you still got to function. But your reaction time is not the same when you get 8 to 10 hours of sleep. So...

That's crazy. Just think about it. When somebody flashed a hand in front of your face, all they do is right there and the ball to hit the ground. That's the reaction. Yeah, you're right. That's all it takes. That's all it takes.

But sure, man, right. That's all it takes. Yeah. That's all it takes. Damn. But sure, man, bro, take time. Get this problem solved, bro, because you better than this. You have a lot to give. And I would hate to see you really, really not only hurt yourself, but harm someone else. Right now, your television career should be the last thing that's on your mind the first thing that should be on your mind is getting the help that you need so you can be there for your family your friends and your loved ones that's counting on richard sherman so we're praying for you bro thank god nobody was injured but uh we wish you the best and uh get the help that you need yeah cam newton was involved in a wild brawl

at a 7-on-7 football tournament. Video emerged today at a 7-on-7 youth football camp about Cam getting involved. They forgot that Cam is not a regular human being like them. No, not at all.

He was a single-handedly. I'm sure you watched it. We're showing it right now. You know what's funny? It's not about just watching this not just about watching this one listen young fellas parents need to understand when you have someone like cam newton giving players an opportunity to display themselves at these seven on seven camps you are supposed to be taking advantage of these situations.

Many of times, I have seen clips, not just, forget this fight here. Many of times, I've seen players, I've seen coaches, and I've seen parents disrespect Cam Newton at these camps, seven-on-seven camps that he performed. I've seen it before. I've seen the clips over the years.

You are supposed to be As parents Especially as kids Soaking up as much knowledge As you can And talking about football And just How can I get to where you got to? What do I need to do?

I'm just thinking about the camps I used to go to When I was a little kid The Miami Hurricanes Had camps in the summer Seven on seven When I was at them camps Man, I'm talking to the I'm was a little kid. The Miami Hurricanes had camps in the summer, seven on seven. When I was at them camps, man, I'm talking to the goddamn players from the Hurricanes and getting a better understanding of what it took to get you here, even though they weren't in the NFL yet. How do I get to this spot where you are? We need to take advantage of

that. But kids these days, they want to argue. They want to talk trash. They want to act like they've already arrived. that they're the best thing coming to Christ. But that's not it. That's not the case. And I see the parents do the same thing. Disrespecting Cam when he's giving you guys a space to showcase your talents, and instead you want to

come there, you want to disrespect them, you want to talk trash. They do. We've seen it. And I think Cam has handled it very well, Ocho. And you see Cam ain't really trying to punch nobody. He's like holding one off, like trying to throw him off like bro, and they trying to, you know, like I said,

I mean, he wasn't trying to punch nobody because Cam could have easily, once he slung him down, could have just tagged one of them. And when the dude ran up, he could have caught a two-piece. Cam would have probably, but they're kids. And Cam has that in the back of his mind. He's like, man, if I'm out here slugging up, swinging on these dudes, man, even though

they're in the room, that's still going to look negative. That's going to project negatively on me. But Cam is a better man to me. Because the first time the first time the kids disrespect to me, I ain't coming back. I'm closing the shot.

The fact that he continues to come back. That's my point. That's why I say he's a better man than me. He continues to hold these camps. Those kids and players have, and parents and coaches as well, y'all got to take advantage of that, man. You got to take advantage of those situations to showcase your talent

because you never know who watching. No. You never know who watching. Man, it's it's man it's it's it's it's it's bad because i oh joey i think i told you the story um savannah state was playing buoy state in maryland they're playing in the stadium and uh coach davis obviously i was in baltimore at the time and coach davis who recruited me um was still with the head coach i think he had left and came back but But anyway, he asked me

to come say a few words. And you know, I went and spoke to the team. And I remember when I'm finishing, well, you know, I'm getting ready to leave. I said, Coach, I'm getting, you know, they're getting ready to have a pregame meal. I said, Coach, I'm getting ready to leave. I appreciate it, Coach. I held, hugged it. And me and my homeboy, Bucket,

one of the dudes went up to me. I signed my autograph because I'm going to be more famous than you. So, okay. Now, me and my homeboy, Bucket, one of the dudes went up to me. I signed my autograph because I'm going to be more famous than you. Ah. It's okay. Now, juxtapose. Now, that's Savannah State. That's my school. Right.

I go to Clemson. Taj Boyd. I'm talking about, I think Sammy Watkins is there. Martabian. Sammy. All of them guys, eyes on me. At the end, they come down there man appreciate that man boy that was that was motor hey i appreciate that man yeah hey that's awesome man hey i appreciate you telling

us what it takes to get to the next level i appreciate you telling us what it takes to be a team and to win blah blah blah you see the difference yeah kids don't a lot of these kids don't respect but if they don't respect a stranger they damn sure he respect their parents at home because i know if that had been me and a professional athlete present or retired showed up yes sir no sir hey how did i do how did i do coach what can i do better how can i get better that's my thought process oh joe right when did it when did it become cool i don't know when because i missed that generation to be disrespectful right i don't care if somebody

only a couple years old we were it was always yes sir no sir yes ma'am no ma'am we were never allowed to be disrespectful under no circumstance not even kids kids, they don't care. And the parents don't hold them accountable. The parents think it's cute too. But little do you know, my grandma used to tell me all the time, she'd say, boy, you can listen to me on the outside or you listen to somebody on the inside. But somebody will tell you what to do sooner or later. One of the other, and one of the things that I've done great at when I attend camps like this, or when I'm around, listen, when I'm in the inner city, obviously where I grew up from, and I kind of resonate.

And I resonate very well with the kids because I adjust to how you are. I know when I'm in that atmosphere, similar to what Cam was in, I'm coming in being like the same individual from the field. I'm coming in talking shit off jump. I'm coming in talking shit off jump in a playful, fun way, playful, fun, competitive way.

So don't come talking trash about what you're doing and you like that. Because if you're not like that, I'm going to let you know right there on the field. You better be that boy to be talking the way you're talking. So I don't, I don't, I understand kind of like what Cam was going through in a sense, but I know how to diffuse it in a way to where the trash talk is about what you're doing out there on the field, because that's what we're here for. That's what we're here for. I'm trying to see if you're really that boy. Because I do my talking.

I talk it, but I walk it. All you got to do is turn on the tape. I trash talk people on my level. I'm there to teach. Yeah, okay, I understand. See, you're different. I'm there to teach as well, but I'm there to teach as well along with the trash talk. to stay here. I want to stay in the adult role as an advisory role as a respectful role. Like I tell my kids all the time that

the dynamic of our relationship will never change. I'm always going to be dead. You're always going to be the child. And so we're going to stay we're going to stay in our appropriate roles. Right. But the first time and I remember the video where the kid got disrespect for the camp at the gate by the fence on the sideline

on the sideline. Yeah. I remember i remember i remember because i'm doing this out of the kindness of my heart right right see you you and i you and i a little different we approach things different and we operate a little different in a controlled environment like that in a controlled environment like that as far as football is concerned you what i mean you're known for trash talking but my mouth i do my talking before I even walk it. So I kind of adjust to the type of players I'm around based on the atmosphere I am. Even though it's in a respectful way, or even if I am teaching and coaching, I still got to be able to talk a certain way based on where I'm at. Oh, but here's the thing.

And they're trying to say, well, you're not this, you're not that. Okay. So what? Cam is not Brady, but he still might be the best player that you'll ever get an opportunity to

shake his hand and see personally. Yeah. And I remember when my brother used to have football camps and, you know, obviously, you know, it was, I mean,

we had, I mean, he, he shut it down many, many years ago, but you know, we had a Barry Sanders and a Brett Favre and a Reggie White. All the guys would come.

But I don't know when it happened where these young kids thought it was okay to be flip at the lip, to be disrespectful. And that's what it is. There's no other way around it. And I don't care what cam his hair look like, how he dresses. The man is taking time out of his day to give back. Show the man some courtesy. Show the man, show the man respect.

Yeah, you got to. That's the problem with us. That's the problem. And I ain't talking about nobody else. I'm talking about our community because that's what we need to address because that's what he was out there doing, trying to help that community. And you be disrespectful. And you've been that way with Camane and i just don't i just

don't know why i don't know how but parents grandparents uncles and aunts we need to do a better job with these kids right because and then we understand we i don't know why they want nobody how that boy or that girl i don't know how You know why. Because they talk to you like you left them. So if they talk to you and they see you every day, what do you think they're doing when they go on somebody's job? What do you think they're doing once they get on somebody's job? But again, the parent,

the coaches and the parents need to understand when someone like Cam Dutton gives your player, it's not even football season, huh? It gives the players an opportunity to display their talents and work on their craft in the offseason like this.

You got to pay homage. You got to pay respects to one of the best that played our game. You have to. You know what? I'll tell you what you've never seen. Peyton and Eli have been having a camp for 20-something years. You ain't never seen no kids be disrespectful to Peyton and Eli. having a camp for 20 something years you ain't never seen no kids be disrespectful to Peyton and Eli

tell me the footage tell me the footage that you've seen out there show it to me when Peyton and Eli ask these kids or the true breeze because a lot of times they take up a lot of these pro quarterbacks and sometimes upper level college quarterbacks show me the footage

it sucks because we think it's cute I show, hey, man, I went out there. Man, I told Cal to shut up. I told him he was trash. I told him he was garbage. Y'all think that's cute. It's not. It's not. And you wonder why. I don't.

I've been stopped wondering. It's embarrassing. It's really. Yeah. It's really embarrassing that somebody take time out of their day, out of their schedule, out of their life, and try to give back. And you're disrespectful, ungrateful. Man, Cam, like I told you, Cam way better than me.

Yeah. Because I don't have patience for my own kids to be disrespectful i'll be damn if i'm gonna let somebody else kid disrespect me and i'm taking time out of my those are my blood right i got an obligation when they're coming up but i have an obligation to tell them what's right and wrong and it's always gonna be yes sir no sir my kid my kids to this day somebody older than them is yes sir is no sir sir, is yes ma'am, no ma'am. Right. My kids, hey, Ocho, my kids,

they might curse. Oh, I'm sorry, daddy. I'm still dead, and I know you grown, but be careful now. Hey, SOB, don't be letting SOBs and mofos coming out your mouth all kind of hot now. Yeah, my kids curse. I know they curse. Obviously, they all goddamn grown, but they have

yet the curse in front of me. They have yet the curse in front of me. But the thing again, and knowing Cam like I know Cam, despite the incident today, despite the disrespect from whatever team he had an issue with, he's still going to put it on. He's still going to continue to have those camps to allow those kids to showcase their talents and be seen, to work on their craft, to get better. Just knowing Cam like I do. He's not going to allow this to bother him. Ocho, you know a situation like that. You know how it ends.

You know what normally happens, Ocho. What normally happens, Ocho. You remember at the football game? A key to leave, brother. You coach, boom. Now he gone away for life. How many times we done saw somebody get killed over some bull jive?

You know why? You know what happens a lot of times with these parents' situation? Because the parents didn't do anything. They're living vicariously through their child. Through their kids, yeah. Most definitely. They want it for their child.

Yes. I'm living through you and i feel you harming my child you taking something for my child well it was a call a block you know so forth and so on but man i hate this so much because i know like i said cam dad's a couple years older than me he went to savannah State. I think Cecil graduated like 84, 85. I think I got there like 86. So Cecil's probably about five years older than me.

So if I'm 55, I'd be 56. Cecil's got to be like 61. 61, 62 tops. And so I know Cecil. I knew Cecil. And I know Cam had an opportunity to get to know Cam. But man, I just hate it.

Because guess what? That's viral. And you know what people that don't look like us saying? We ain't got to do nothing. Just sit back. We ain't got to do nothing. That's what they're saying, Ocho. Ocho, you know what they're saying. Yeah.

Most definitely. And then we get mad when they... Why? When you act like that, that man giving back. He ain't going to stop, though. Cam ain't letting this stop him. This definitely ain't going to stop him.

He going to keep working with the kids, man. He going to keep working with them, no matter what. Come hell or high water. And I don't understand how anybody, Cam Newton, 6'5", 6'6", 6'2", 40, he make the people he played in the

NFL with look small. He make them look small. What you think you finna do with Cam? Come on, man. Cam, I mean, look, I'm 250-ish, 3. Cam, 2, 3 inches taller than me. Probably got me by...

Cam at least 265 right now. Easy. Cam at least 265. I would give him 270. Still work out, man. Yeah. He still work out a little bit too, man. But he not...

He not in football shape. So Cam solid. Cam solid. I was just on fourth and one a couple of weeks ago. Cam a big ass man. Yeah. And he showed incredible restraint.

Yeah, he did. Because your instinct is Ocho when somebody's attacking you is to attack back. Yeah, to attack back. Yeah, he did. But understanding

that they are kids, that they are kids and I'm not sure what was said, but again, parents and coaches, you got to be able to get a hold on your kids, man. You got to. You got to.

Coach O, you see, what did you say? They're kids. Yeah. But all of a sudden, they put themselves on an adult level. You see? You see what they did? Yes, sir. Now, see, the dynamic should always be this. Cam Newton is an adult level. You see? You see what they did? Yes, sir. Now, see, the dynamic should always be this. Cam Newton is an adult.

Cam Newton is giving back. Cam should be here. Why would you ever think you're on this level at this point in time? Now, maybe you come to the end. Maybe you become an NFL player. Maybe you become great. You win an MVP, win a Super Bowl,

all pros and so forth and so on. But at this time in your life, what makes you think? I just don't like I said, I just grew up in a different time and era. My grandfather, man, look here. I could I couldn't even imagine the kind of ass whipping I would have got. Because, you know, back then, first of all, the people told you tail up and then took you home and say, Mary, I had to whip that boy. Barney, I had to whip that boy. He was saying such and such.

And then you got even worse when you got home. But see, the community used to police it until all of a sudden we got, you know, don't put your hand on my child. OK, don't worry about we're going to put our hands on him. They got a system that'll put their hands on him they'll coach him up yeah nah we're not gonna no don't put your hands on him don't just a matter of time that's crazy damn well hopefully the situation works i can't hang in there bro like i said you're a better man than me and you've been doing this since you since you got to the league you and your dad put this seven-on-7 camp on, trying to give back to your community, trying to help underprivileged kids.

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Look around the country, Caitlin Clark. Something happens and now flip. I don't know what his status is going to be. But one thing is when I play, at least it was 10 seconds you stormed the court. Now the buzzer goes off and they go off and running on the floor. What do you say?

What do you think, Ocho? You know, I don't watch much basketball. You already know that. But the court storming to me, the court storming on football fields has always been a cool thing. I mean, I'm just saying from the outside looking in, it's just always been cool. The excitement to obviously beat a team, probably most of the time they do storm the court. You beat a team when you were the underdog.

Yes. You know, you didn't have a chance to win a game. And, you know, college kids storm the court. I'm not sure the extent of the young fella's injury that plays for Duke. Hopefully he's okay. But banning court storming, I think it's somewhat of almost like an unwritten rule. I think it's cool. Maybe we should have a rule set in place. Wait until the opposing team that lost

leaves the court. Then you storm it. No. That would be the purpose. Because I got to run. I got to let y'all see it. That's Duke. Do you understand what Duke represents? Do you understand what Carolina and Kentucky and Kansas. Man, if we let y'all see it. That's Duke. Do you understand what Duke represents? Do you understand what Carolina and Kentucky and Kansas. Man, if we beat y'all, I ain't let nobody. I need to see y'all.

Because I need to laugh it. But see, you mess around and get the situation with LeGarrette Blount. You remember when you were eight? Yeah, okay. So now you see. But see, then he end up getting suspended and people looking crazy. What you want me to do up getting suspended and people looking crazy.

What you want me to do? You cover up in my face. They tell you now, Ocho, take eight, take 10 minutes, take 15 minutes to cool down. Now, right after the game, you open my face. Ah, y'all suck. Quoting right on the chin. Yeah.

Hey, listen, that's a tough one. I don't want to see court storming, court storming ban or field storming ban in general. I just, we got to find something, another way, another way to just protect the players. I think that's what it comes down, protecting the players. So allow the players to leave the court first, at least something like that.

Because think about it, Ochoa, but them kids just have... So what do you think the players are? You think they're adults? They're the same age as the kids running on the floor. Right, right, right. So you expect them... See, they've always expected this from athletes. Athletes

have always been supposed to show the restraint, even in a situation where we're the same age. A college kid and a college student, for the most part, are the same age a college kid is a college student for the most part of the same age same age so one runs on the floor oh that's a part of fun hey you show restraint you're not in college you're an adult right so what would you say would you say ban it i thought i thought something was going to take place after the Gary Blunt situation. Right.

I really did. But it happened. And they tried to find him. What did you find him? $50,000? $75,000? That ain't nothing to no institution. Come on.

How much did he do? I think the SEC, each team, football team, just got like $50 million from the college football playoffs and stuff like that. And the Big Ten about to get probably 60 million. So what's 75? What's 150,000 for two court storming fields? How much did they get, Ash?

No, no, no. I'm saying how much did this year the SEC teams get for the college football playoff? I think they got 50 million, 53 million per team. I'm saying how much did this year the SEC teams get for the college football player? I think they got $50 million, $53 million per team. Honestly, to me, as not a fan of basketball, but I like to watch ESPN or just watching sports and see the fans storm the field. I mean, it looked cool to me. I like it. I like it.

But you do it in your own discretion. That's what I say. Oh, that was right. LeGarrette Blount, he punched a player. The player ran up in his face. It wasn't a fan. It wasn't a fan? That was a player? Yeah.

Y'all suck. We beat y'all. I ain't here for that, bro. I ain't here for that bro I ain't here for that I remember that but it's it's you're asking an awful lot because you know when look most athletes are sore

losers Ocho you don't get to that level you don't get to that level by being a gracious loser that thing hurt. It hurts. And the more you put into it, the more it hurts. And the funny thing about it, if you got school storming the court and you lose a game, you know it was a game of importance. Yes.

It was a game of importance and you must have been good and you went down losing. And the wrong fan hit you, the wrong fan say the wrong thing. It's just going to take for one altercation and then they will probably do something about it. But again, controlling an entire student section or college campus from storming a court. That's a that's a tough deal, especially if the team is ranked. But you already know. I mean, when you think of college basketball, you think of Duke, you think of Carolina, you think of Kentucky, you think of Kansas. It used to be UCLA, but UCLA hadn't been a top program in a number of years. So when you think of the Blue Bloods, it's those schools.

Duke, Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky. Those teams are normally ranked. If I beat you and I'm not ranked or I'm ranked lower than you, oh, I'm hitting the court. I mean, that's how the fans look at it. Right. And I have another question, and excuse my lack of knowledge for college basketball in general,

but to my understanding, women's college basketball at this point in time is much better than men's college basketball because of Angel Reese and Kaitlyn Clark and what they've been able to do. Is that true or I'm just... I think the thing is that networks have put an emphasis on women's college sports.

Right. And now the players are one and done. And the women, you can get your hands around, your arm around because they're staying two years, three years. You see these, you see Caitlin Clark is debating, is she going to come back? Or you see, you know, Angel Reese, I think she has another year of eligibility. Is she going to come back?

It's not like that. It's not like that anymore. The days of the Grant Hills and the Tim Duncan stay in four years, that's over Ocho. Right. of the Grant Hills and the Tim Duncan stay in four years, that's over Ochoa. Because if you're that good, the scouts are saying, if you're that good, why are you going back? Right.

So the women can't do that? Because Kaitlyn Clark is that good. She was that good last year. Because she left and went to the WNBA. She's making more in Iowa than she is in the WNBA. What the hell you mean? Angel Reese is making way more money in NIL. She's making almost $2 million. The most she can make is $250.

That's if she's a veteran max player. She's not going to get that as a rookie. So why the hell would she go to the WNBA? And that's no knock on the WNBA. I'm just saying, when you are Kaitlyn Clark or you are Angel Reese, you're one of these top-notch females. You're making more in college than you will in the NBA. Are you serious?

Yes. Well, they got to do something about that. They got to change that. Why do you think those women be going overseas to supplement their income, Ocho? Oh, shit. Why do they have to go to Russia and all these Italy and China and wherever they have to go? Remember

Brittany Griner. How she got caught up? She overseas. And she can make basically double, probably double her income overseas than what she can at WNBA. How do we generate or how do we get the women to make not,

obviously not the type of money that the NBA players make, but to bridge the gap or to get them a little closer to where they don't have to play overseas? What needs to be done? Man, that's something that the WNBA, the WNBA, the WNBAPA, and the NBA. Because, I mean, the WNBA PA and the NBA. Because I mean, they're clamoring. They don't sell out arenas like the men do, Ocho. The advertising, the sponsor dollars

are not there like the men. So you're saying, okay, let's just say they make 10%. Well, they're not generating 10% of the revenue. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I mean, I just, and people like what, They're not generating 10% of the revenue. Okay. Okay. People like what? I'm just giving you the harsh reality of what it is.

The fact that Andrew Reese and Kaitlyn Clark make more in college than they will in the WNBA, that's crazy work, man. Yes. I think she said she's crazy work, man. Yes. I mean, Angel Reese, I mean, I think she said that she

make it, what, 1.7? I think she make like 1.7 in NIL money. I mean, she's gonna have to play like five, six years to get that. What? Yes. I mean, I think the quarter of a million is the max money that, but that's for

Asia Wilson that's for Stewie Breonna Stewart that's for those that ain't for everybody can't get that kind of paper I had no idea those were the numbers that was the revenue that they were making I had no idea

I thought they were making good money I'm talking about listen not no five year 280. I thought they were making good money. I'm talking about, listen, not no five-year 280, but I thought he was making, you know, three, four, five million, something like that. And sometimes the players overseas can make over 10 times of what they make here. So that's why they go over there. Well, that's crazy.

We got it. they go over there. Well, that's crazy. The SEC earned $765 million from the college football playoffs. I think there's 14 teams. Aren't there 14 teams? Or are there 12? 14. So that's at least 50. 14.

That's at least 50 million. If I have my math, that might be 53 million each. 53 times 14 is how much, Ash? It better not be 53.3 or 53.4. Because I'm going to be mad. $54.6 million. So I was off a million dollars.

Each team. No, that's crazy. But see, here's the thing Ocho the WNBA also helps supplement the WNBA so the NBA helps supplement them because the sponsorship the ad dollars is just not there that's the harsh reality

Ocho that's the harsh reality of it women's sports unless you play tennis and That's the harsh reality of it. Right. Women's sports, unless you play tennis and, you know, Billie Jean and you had Billie Jean was the first to do it. And then you have Venus and Serena, some of the others. Hold on. Right. We want to get paid with the men. If they get three million dollars for a Grand Slam championship, why we got to get one point eight?

We want three-2. Yeah, especially just some of the names that I hear all the time, especially WNBA players that I don't watch it often, but the Asia Wilsons, Breonna Stewart, Kelsey Plum, these are household

names that I know, and I don't even watch basketball. I know them, so I'm expecting, because I know their name, and I don't even watch the game, but I'm expecting them to make the kind of money, not what the NBA dudes are making, but the four or five million range, because they are household names. Man, that's a road. They got to fix that shit, man. It's called supply and demand, Ocho. You got to have to.

There's a reason why college coaches get paid more than a college professor because 85,000 ain't signing up for a history class. Okay, I see. I got you. I got you. They're not going to do no science project.

85,000 coming to that stadium damn that's crazy um as of October 23 Erica Wheeler of the Indiana Fever was the highest paid player in the WNBA

for 2023 she had a salary of $242,154 now Ocho, look, that's good money for an average, because the average person, what's the average salary in America?

Probably, what, $75,000? So she's probably making three times what the average person will make. But we just used to hear, like, we think professional athlete, and we think everybody get $10, $15, $20 million, but that's not the case. It's going to get there, though. I i'm not sure i'm not sure when but it's gonna get there at some point the average the average income from american house is 59 000

that don't make no sense that don't make no sense especially as a wmb player and the work that they had to put in based on some of the shit I see on goddamn TV and clips and highlights. Man, them motherfuckers can play. They deserve to be compensated as such. Again, not like the NBA players, but way more than what? 240

who? 242. Shit me. Man, hold on. The average salary is $59,500. How the hell my grandma fed us with $197 every two weeks then? And you talk about, oh, why you eat all that? Now you see why I ate what I ate, Ocho. Yeah. And think

back. There wasn't no bone in ribeyes coming across that table. Yeah, but you know, when your grandma was young, remember the price of everything was very, very low now. The price of everything was very low back then. I tell you what, $380, $197 is $ very, very low now. The price of everything was very low back then. I tell you what. $380, $197 is $4.

That's $9. So $394. $394 a month. So my grandma brought home $4,500 a year. You think stuff was that cheap back then? $4,500 a year cheap? Hell no. Exactly. Damn, man. That's crazy man yeah 197 every two weeks 394 a month you see it's

times like this it's times like this i wish i was a billionaire because i fixed the shit i fixed a situation there what you keep saying but see here's, Ocho, you do realize how billionaires get to become billionaire? They don't give away their money along the way. They have their names put on buildings at colleges.

They have their names on hospitals or hospital floor. But I understand that, right? But there has to be some type of plan in place to be able to invest in WNBA teams, to make sure they get paid an adequate salary, which many will say, probably argue me down, that the salary is adequate,

but at least to where they're making in the millions. There has to be a way to recoup, maybe be through advertising maybe it be through sponsors but making 242 is not a fuck enough based on what I've been able to see from someone that doesn't even watch the game

on how good they are they need to be compensated much much more than they are that's all I'm saying Ocho when you advertise I need eyeballs

there's a reason why ads cost 7.5 million for a Super Bowl, because eyeballs. If eyeballs ain't watching, Ocho, you under this notion that people want to give away free money. It's not like

that. Well, I know I'm not under the notion that people want to give away free money because there ain't nobody giving away free money, but I would have a plan in place to execute the eyeballs to make sure they're watching. Listen, Ocho tell you something. You can't make people watch what they don't want to watch. You got to make it more exciting.

How? These women are as skilled as they've ever been. And I go back to when La Tech won the first two, and then Cheryl Miller, and then Clarissa Davis, the Texas team.

I go way back then. Kim Mulkey, the Baylor coach, now she LSU. She was on the first national championship team with La Tech. She'd be dressing fly, huh? Yeah, if that's what you want to call it. Yeah, she'd be flying. I remember

all that when the USC with Pam and Paula McGee and Cheryl Miller and Cynthia Cooper. So I go back and the women now are as skilled at any point in time. Better, better, better. They're better. But you have to understand, there was not even a league when those women, they had to go overseas. Yeah, they had no choice.

Right. And the fact that they have to go overseas, that even lets you know that some things need to be put in place. I don't have a plan right now because I'm just sitting here talking with you. I'm just saying if I was in a position of power, there would be something that I want to do to keep my girls home playing here in the States.

Yeah. But, look. Hey, you seen Aja Wilson play? Yeah. I just, she was at the, she was on the losing side. She left handed. but look hey you see you seen AJ Wilson play yeah I just she was at the she was on the losing side

she left handed she was on the losing side she was a she was an assistant coach with Steve and A yeah me and 50 did that number on her yeah she good

but yeah see somebody like her she's supposed to be making three four five million easy no questions asked I saw her

Chelsea Gray Kelsey Plum. All of them were sitting on. I just want y'all to know. Aja. Asia. Asia. Kelsey. Chelsea.

Y'all sitting on the losing side. Next time, y'all better come on down on the upside because y'all know I be doing that thing. I be digrabbing the plays. You know what I'm saying? Oh, that's crazy, man. in that thing. I'd be die grabbing a plate. You know what I'm saying? Ow, that's crazy, man. I ain't know that, man.

Fuck. It's all right. It's all right. Some other things I'm going to fix in the world, man, as soon as I'm president. You don't want people digging no show. Well, they can dig

because I live my life. I don't live my life private. I do everything in public. There still ain't nothing to dig. I promise you got some stuff. You done some stuff you don't want people to know. Everybody has.

Everybody has, Ocho. It's okay. Everybody has. Did you hear what I just said? No. You live your life private. You live your life publicly now. Oh, I always have.

Okay. Always. Okay. Always. Okay. Always. That's a pressure cooker. I like pressure cookers, and I like pressure. Okay. So when I run for office, you already know what time it is. And when I win, you can be my vice president. Nah, hell nah.

I don't want nobody, I don't want nobody, hey, he dead. I ain't running for nothing. I ain't running for nothing. I ain't running nothing but my mouth. And that's the problem. Because if you look at some of the people that's already been in office, and we talk about digging up. Oh, we don't want to talk about.

Think about this, Ocho. Think about how people. Ocho, I got a little podcast. Think about how people coming at me. Can you imagine if I'm VP, president, or house of representatives? Can you imagine? I got you, though. I'm the president. I got you. I want or House of Representatives. Can you imagine? I got you, though. I'm the president.

I got you. I want no part of that, bro. I got you. Can you imagine me, the State of the Address? Go ahead. Oh, man, I'd be shocked. State of the Union. State of the Union.

Yeah, Union of the Address. Yeah, boy, I'd be, boy. And you know what? I could talk now. Depending on the environment I'm in, I can switch up real quick. Like, I hit a switch. I don't want no part of that.

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