Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: ESPN DRAMA with Lebron & Jeanie + Giannis LEAVING the Bucks + Bills owner SCAPEGOATS Sean McDermott

Episode Date: January 22, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to ESPN reporting that their was drama between LeBron James and Jeanie Buss, a possible divorce between Giannis and the Milwaukee Bucks might be coming this summer, and Bills Owner uses Sean McDermott as a scapegoat in drafting Keon Coleman and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 00:00 - Introduction 05:15 - ESPN alleges drama between Jeanie Buss and LeBron James33:22 - Possible divorce between Bucks and Giannis41:55 - Bills owner uses Sean McDermott as scapegoat in Keon Coleman draft (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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ESPN featured dropped the legend that Jeannie Bus was not happy with LeBron's attitude and believed he should be more grateful than the franchise drafted Brony James. ESPN reporter backs to Holmes says, and when the Lakers drafted LeBron James, son, Brunney with the 55th pick in the 2024 draft, Jeannie privately remarked that LeBron should be grateful for such a gesture. But she felt that he wasn't. People close to this team told. ESPN. The report also claimed that Jeannie considered trading LeBron. I don't know how that was going to happen,

considering LeBron was one of the two players that had a no trade clause. He and Bradley Bill, but we'll get to that a second. To the Clippers and felt she felt LeBron had an outsized ego and didn't like the perception that LeBron saved the Lakers by signing there, despite the struggles the Lakers went through after Kobe Bryant's retirement. He did. Holmes also reported that things got worse after the infamous Russell Westbrook. portray bus bristled about LeBron's lack of accountability for his role in bringing the former All-Star Point Guard to Los Angeles. We also have an update. Jeannie has now responded to the allegations. It's really not right.

Given all the great things LeBron have done for the Lakers and that he has pulled into my family drama, to say it was he wasn't appreciated, it's just not true and completely unfair to him. Joe, Jeannie said he was appreciated, but she never. report that it was a lie. She could have said that you know what, Joe, this ain't true. Everything that is my family drama. She could have said that is a lie.

She did not say that, Ocho and Joe. She said he's appreciated. Joe, take it with him here. Hey, Joe, before you even go on, before Joe go on, I got a question most of the time. When executives, when people are power and position of power and they run, they run

teams, this is how they really feel. This is how they really feel behind the scenes. say things like this all the time and they say them because they think it's not going to get out and when it does get out, obviously not in this case, he doesn't apologize to say I didn't say that, but this is how you really feel. Sometimes you don't like the way certain people

act, you know, and it's okay to feel that way. I just don't understand why they do it or why they always what's the word I'm looking for? Change their tune when the public sees how they really feel about certain individuals in the way they carry themselves. But go ahead, Joe.

I mean, Arkansas and Ocho really, This doesn't surprise me. You know, I can imagine, you know, Braun having a, you know, pretty big ego, you know, out there in L.A. And due to whatever, you know, disagreements they are having with him and Jeannie, I don't know, man, but it's just a lot of fishy stuff going on that I really can't, you know, I really can't understand right now. You know what I mean?

It's like, you know, he's done a lot for the Lakers, bro. Like, he is iconic. You know, what I mean? I mean, so I don't really know what's the pushback or what's the disagreements that he has with the Lakers or even if any of this is even true. You know what I mean? What happened is that there are some people that didn't like the way Jeannie handled things in that family. Yeah. Because what happened was all Janie, Jesse, the other one got fired. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She gets to stay on for another five years. Yeah. How'd that fair, Ocho, me, you and Joe brothers. Yeah.

Okay. Uh, uh, uh, the high. is Joe gets left in charge. Me and you, Ocho, get fired. But Joe get to keep his job for another five years, but the team gets sold. Right. Hold on. Why didn't we all get to keep our job?

So Joe, why you get to stay on for five years, Ocho and I get fired, why we couldn't keep our job title for another five years? Why only you? Right. You see what happens? Drunks, kid, and angry people will tell you the truth. These people were mad that Jeannie removed them.

Yeah. Janie also said, the other brother, the other brother, brothers didn't comment. But Janie said her father would not be pleased with the way this situation happened. Remember, we talked about it the other day, Ocho and Joe, that Steve Bichot said he's selling the team before he ever gets to this point. He said because it'll rip a family apart. Absolutely. I'd be dead if it's not playing out before you. Now, does LeBron have an ego? And I tell people this all the time, the greater the person, the bigger the ego. I don't give

a damn what line of work you in. Right. Since we're talking about athletes, let's go to Don Brady, Peyton Manning, Michael Jordan, Shaquille, O'Neill, LeBron, James, Lianis, Atta, Tacon, Luca D'Ate, it does not matter. You talk about baseball player, talk about Barry Bonds, take about, talk about show-hade, talk about Aaron Judge, it does not matter. Talk about, it doesn't matter.

Talk about Oprah, you talk about Tyler Pear, it does not matter, but greater the person, the bigger the ego. Absolutely. Yes, right, hold on, hold on, and that's not a bad. No, no, that's what got them where they are. Yeah. Yeah.

My point is that there's a reason why they are as successful as they are. I mean, you get to a certain point. You got to have a little ego to you. Yeah. Or Joe. Yeah. You got to have a little something. You got to have something that makes you who you are.

How you think they got to where they are, how you think they got to where they are? A belief that I'm superior, that I'm the baddest mofo walking. Hello. And the more you accomplish, you're like, the more you feel invisible. Yeah. Bingo. Yeah. And people are, oh.

And then you know what has, hey, you know, before you go, and Joe. You know it has a lot of people fooled with all the names that just rung off or just just just routed off right? I think when we see them in the image that they portray, we view them as people that don't have ego because the way they carry themselves, the way they talk in front of the camera. You know, some of the stuff, all some of the philanthropy work that they do. But people got to understand behind closed doors. If you don't know them personally, you never know. Everybody of some type of status has ego. We see.

Everybody. they want us to see. Right. Come on now. So that's why you see those guys, they go up there to the press conference and they stand behind that dossier and they talk. That is what they want you to see.

Now, when they get home, it's a different light. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. We're just going to deal with this situation. Did LeBron have anything to do with Russ coming there? Absolutely. But LeBron also wanted to Marjorie Rosen.

But DeMarre de Rosen, one of the three-year deal. Rob Polinkin was unwilling to go past two. Let's backtrack, backtrack, backtrack. She said she was upset because people think LeBron's sake. Jeannie, do you remember the last three years of Kobe? And do you remember the years? Cobbri, LeBron got there in 2019.

Do you remember from like 15, 16, 17, 18? Do you remember what that was like? LeBron, LeBron packed this back. like the Beverly Hills billies, but a little wealthier. He hit, in Tennessee, that black gold, and they moved to Beverly Hills. He was in Cleveland, had it all. He said, you know what?

You ain't even got to recruit me. Magic Johnson showed up. Hey, I'm coming, Magic. Jeannie, not only did you get LeBron in 2019 without having to do any work. Remember, all the free agents that had bypassed your ass. Not only did you get LeBron to come in 2020, you also got Anthony Davis and got a championship.

And in the process of getting Anthony Davis, you were able to trade him and parlay into that the Luca Donchardtion. Without LeBron James, you get none of this. Now, I'm not saying LeBron does not have an ego. Tiger Woods, name of a great athlete that you don't believe have an ego. Now, I know something I'm not going to call no name, but I know a lot of them.

The way they talk when they're in the privacy with people that they trust is not what they portray on television. And that's okay. I don't have a problem with that. Yeah, none of them, none of them, none of them. What you see is not, what you see is fool's gold. I show you what I want you to see. Absolutely.

Yeah. And that's the magician. You see right here, Ocho? Yeah. I got something in this hand, but look right there. Oh, Cho, look at this. I need you to see this. Don't you look at this other hand.

Right, right, right, right, right, right. My grandma used to say, boy, there's a little truth, even in a lie. Hello. Come on, man. With that being said, it's got to be Sunday. Jeannie, you own the team. I'll be that,

Ocho, you're going to allow somebody to come in your house and tell you, Ocho, turn the air up. Ocho, turn the TV. Hey, Joe, can you all get me something out of the fridge? How the hell you're going to tell me what to do in my own damn house? That's your team. If you give up control, that's on you. But you know why you really gave him that control?

Because you knew it was good for business. Without him, of the brand, but the Lakers wasn't winning Jack. The Lakers wasn't on T. What's Kobe left? What? Who was looking by the Lakers? I know it rubs a lot of people the wrong way because there are many and many circles

believe that LeBron is better than Kobe. And anytime someone coves to a team that your favorite player was on and people say he's better than your favorite player, you're going to feel some type of way. Just, we're going to set that aside and just deal with this. This was a

play look when you have a business, Ocho, and that's why you have to be careful because you need to really set parameters. That's why you know I've already put stuff in place. You get this, you get this, you get this. Anybody that can test gets nothing. Because if you don't have, if you don't have a succession plan,

this is what you're gonna get. Mm. He knew it. Steve Bashadhi told y'all, he said, I'm set, he said, cause I know what to do. Mark Cuban says, you know what? he said I don't even want to put my family in this situation right so he got a profit okay Jeannie Jeannie is what she she Russell control away from a brother

that mean the other members board members had to vote Jeannie in charge little did they know they was I get you elected now you lock me up that is cold Ocho I cannot in good faith who have my sister we got a bunch of my my sister, my brother. All I, we just using us for the sake of argument. Joe's in charge. But now all of a sudden, Joe work out of her, Joe, we're going to sell the team. We got to sell the team.

We got to sell the team. So forth and so on. But Joe like, hey, check this out. I'm going to sell the team now. But I'm going to write in writing. It ain't no word of mouth. It's in writing that she gets to keep control, stay in her title for another five years.

I think it's five years. But everybody else was turned. terminated and they got paid. They were terminated immediately. Damn, you don't even give me the chance to finish out the year? Immediately. We're going to pay you to the end of the year, but you're getting your ass up out of here today.

It's not personal. It's just business. How about this here? In 2013, 2014, the Lakers was 27 and 55. In 2014, 15, 15, there was 21 and 61. In 15, 16. there was 17 and 65. In 1617, there was 26 and 56.

And 17, 18, that was 35 and 47. And 18, 19, which was LeBron first year. There they were 37 and 45. Now, you tell me what LeBron did for that team. He done a lot, man. And you understand that. When someone like that of that magnitude that can change the trajectory of a franchise,

he comes to your team, He ain't going to turn it around. He ain't going to turn it around, but I'm not sure where it comes from where she felt. Obviously, every player has an ego. Yes! I mean, you had Kobe in your building for years. 20. Kobe ain't had no.

You think Shaq ain't had no. Hey, that's why they broke him up. Hey, but I think that Lakers brand do help. You know, when you mesh them, when you mesh them too, like when Shaq came to the Lakers, how he made him even bigger when Brun came to the Lakers, it's intertwined. it's helped both both parties. You know what I mean? I think LeBron has helped the Lakers more than the Lakers

helped Bronn for the simple fact, Joe. He was a three-time member. See, Kobe, Kobe came there as a young man, a boy, 17, and grew. Yeah. He could have been that great, but I don't know if he'd have been great in Charlotte. Would he still be the Kobe Bryant that we know today? Is that Laker brand? LeBron was LeBron.

You know what I'm saying? He was the chosen one. Yeah. Kobe didn't have no mamba. That came later. LeBron was anointed before he set foot. People talk about this man was running in George's camp at 1617. Tim Hardaway senior said he was dominating.

He was a better world peace, Ron Artes said he was dominating. 16 playing him with grown men, playing at a level that was unseen at the time. Yeah. I'm appreciative. I can be upset at somebody, Joe, and still appreciate what.

what they've done. Absolutely. I absolutely. That's, that's me. Now everybody ain't like me, oh, Chow. I can then I don't, and I don't handle everything. So I don't want to, I don't want to stand up here and seem like I'm holier than thou. Right. But I will tell you this, anybody that's ever helped Shannon Sharp, I'm forever grateful. Forever. Sean McManus and Tony Bettini gave me an opportunity at CBS. Tony Bettati is the Big Ten commissioner right now. He knows every time I see him. Thank you. Sean McMatters, he retired. Thank you.

Skip, that opportunity that he gave me. Yeah, it didn't end well. But bro, I'm not here. I'm not undisputed. I don't get an opportunity to go to ESPN if it's not for Skip. Right. I'm forever grateful. We just needed to go our separate ways at that time.

I ain't got no problem with Skip. If I were to see Skip, I hug him and say, man, I appreciate it. Miss you. Stephen A, the same thing. I just don't get what Gene was going with. this with LeBron. Like she said, that is yours.

And I'm not saying that she said any of this, but I'm just saying, I would have come out and said, you know what, that's not even true. I appreciate everything LeBron is done for this. But that's a lie. I'm very grateful.

I'm very appreciative to what he's done and what he's done for this organization. Yeah. You know she can't come out and say that. Where do you get all that dialogue from? You think somebody just can't pull that out the goddamn sky?

No. They didn't just pull that out of the goddamn sky. It's been surmised. Those are her words. Those are her words. And she probably told someone that he trusted. And it got out. It's okay.

Stand on business. That's how you felt. You might, maybe you was angry that day. Yeah, because I'm mad. That's why I got out. I'm mad. So I told on your ass.

This is how she felt about LeBron. This is how she feel about Rich Paul and Clutch. All I know, Magic John was like a brother to you. Yeah. And Magic John's, left like a thief in the night. Wait, too.

So what you, were you going to be here next year, magic magic? Like, yeah, that's crazy. Because you know what? He really went out there and recruited LeBron to come to L.A. Okay, okay. LeBron, without Magic, LeBron,

ain't coming? That's what I'm trying to tell you. And it's funny how he just got up out of there. How about this? I'm going to give you one more. How many big time free age did the Lakers sign? Think about it. uh... a la marcus aldrich he didn't go

you signed the white howard he's uh... the white how would come he decided to go to houston without lebron you don't get anthony davis without anthony davis you don't get lucca so the domino effect is who that one big domino made all that happen now you got a superstar for the next decade thanks to one guy they ain't looking at it like that because i'm trying to think who you got on your roster so without anthony davis being a piece that came to play with you

with LeBron because he's at clutch. What piece could the Lakers have traded, chat, to get Luca Donchins? Name me a piece. You'd had to give him 20% of the Lakers, which the NBA won't allow. It ain't one. It's no way it happens.

It's no way it happens. You didn't get Gassal. You traded for Gassal. You see? You traded for him. He didn't come via free agency. Now, if we're going to talk, we're going to talk factual.

Yeah. If I'm not mistaken, you traded for Lamar Odeem. for the metal world peace. So what, so what, so what, so what, what, all NBA, what, uh, uh, uh, uh, it ain't, it ain't one. Oh, I forgot you did get Mark Gassall, but Mark Gassall with needs was bad, worse than mine. Huh? Yeah, and that's, yeah, that's hard.

You ought to see me going, hey, going up the steps is fine. You ought to see me coming down the steps. You turn signways looking. Hey, man. Man, because I already know if I hit the floor, I'm going to shadow like ice. You know, you in the kitchen, you drop ice on the floor. Everywhere. That's me.

But I don't know what Jeannie hoped to. Because here, this. Ocho. Me and you talking. See, the thing is, you got to be careful. because if you say, hey, don't tell nobody, you tell one person, that one person could tell 10 people. Yeah, yeah.

So now, 12 people know when only two was supposed to know. It's right. Mm-hmm. And by the time it gets to the 12 person, the story is completely different than the original. Of course. Completely different. You know they're going to add on a little bit,

exaggerated. You remember we used to play the game in elementary, Ocho? You tell the first person the first desk. You teach you come tell you something. By the time it got to the bank, it wasn't nothing. It wasn't nothing. That teacher told the first person.

How the hell you? I don't up up. Yeah. Y'all done add it, then took some stuff out. Look. I'm still good. Look, there ain't by,

it ain't no secret to me. LeBron leave, I'm leaving. Luca still, Luke, I'm not going to watch him like I do now with LeBron there. Luca, my guy, I like Luca. I like Luca from the first time. When the first, Skip and I used to go back and forth, the Skip said he's not.

I said, skip, that dude special. After what I watched him, do to Kauai, PG, Pat Bell, everybody that threw at him and he's still getting them numbers? I said, no, he can play. He's for real.

Hey, Brun, the type of go to New York. What about him going to New York? If Brun Lee, and he goes to New York, you're going to be a Knicks fan? I'm a LeBron fan.

So I'm a following him. At first, I was a Kobe fan. Kobe could do no wrong. still couldn't do any wrong in my eyes. But I had to make a decision. I could have Kobe and LeBron or I could have Kobe and Kevin Durant.

Because Burns is from the DMV. He knew about Kevin Durant. I didn't. He said, I'll give you LeBron because I had Mello at first because Mello was in Denver. Yeah. I'm in Denver.

I'll give you LeBron if you let me take KD. Done. I get LeBron and Kobe? Yes. Yes. I jumped on that with both feet, guys. How could I?

Whoop on it. How could I not? I get Kobe and LeBron. What? Look, I think there's truth. I don't say everything is 100%, but there's some truth in a lot of this, what this person with, and Baxter,

he writes great articles. He does a lot of fact checking. All, Gina had to say is I didn't say that. Now we got a lot of family going on. Right. You could appreciate somebody and still say what you say it. I mean, two things can be true, Ocho.

Two things. People make it seem like, well, if she appreciated it, that means she didn't say it. No, two things can be true. She could repeat, and I believe she appreciates LeBron, but she also could have said what they're alleging she said. I mean, I hope this thing don't get two minutes. Look, LeBron don't have a,

LeBron don't have a, he's basically, he's on an expiring contract. He's on an expiring contract. He's not going anywhere. Now, we've got to do something with Austin Reeves. Austin Reed's going to probably want $250,000. Do you pay him that? Do you pay him that?

Well, you can't pay him that and bring LeBron back because LeBron ain't giving up no discounts. He took that, he doesn't say it. He said, I took this discount when I went to Miami for those four years. I'll never play for anything. thing less than the max. Now, I don't know what a max player going to be for a guy going into year 24,

Joe, you could better speak to that. Maybe it's 30, 40, 50 million. I don't know. Hey, listen. And the guy still averaging 22, 7 and 8. A.R. And I really talked to A.R. My Arkansas home boy, he ain't given no discounts, neither.

No, should he? Nah. Get your money. Okay. Yeah, he's probably going to get it. You know, you know what I think on me? You're probably going to get it. It probably going to be in L.A.

you know I I think obviously it would be another big market team LA is one you know he's not coming back to Miami

Oh bro I mean yeah so I told you I'm going to go where he's going to go the Knicks yeah I mean

that's the only one that makes sense it got we've got to be a big market look I don't worry that but you heard it well go go to the next yeah I mean at this point

that's the only that's the only place really that's yeah no I mean, that's a marquee team. That's a big-ass market. Well, what? That man don't be across the globe. He'd go over there and win one.

Listen. Wow. He might get close to being my goat, huh? But we've never seen a plan. Hold on. What you mean he close? I'm MJ. I'm Michael Jordan.

MJ. Yeah. Joe Jordan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Hey, that's a, that's a, that's a debate, man. That's forever going to. They'll never stop. Hey, hey, depending on who you ask, boy, Joe, it can go on and on and on, because they bring up all type of, you know, stats and numbers and this and that. It's just everything to support the person that you actually, that you actually think to go to it, man. But listen, okay, Ocho, can you imagine just even being in that conversation, them to just being brun, you know,

because I'm sure he grew up, you know, I had a lot of MJ. He went 23. 23. Just to be in that conversation, bro, is like ill to me. like, that's crazy. You know what I mean? It's like when, go ahead, Joe, finish. No, I'm just saying, just to be, if I'm brun, like, just even being in their conversation is like sick.

Like, you know, you didn't pass them in scoring, you're going to have all the records when you're done. But man, MJ was MJ. I don't know if it was the time for me growing up watching MJ, like I say. Yeah. I watched all the boys games on Ocho on WGN. They came all came on WGN. Yep. You know what I mean?

Right. So I watched every game. I didn't miss a game, bro. I watched him from his freshman year. In 82, when he hit the shot against Georgetown. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Him, Brad Dardy, Sam Perkins, Kenny Smith. I don't think, was Kenny on that team? No, Kenny came to next year. They were, oh, Big Game James Worthy? Yeah. Did you say that game, James Worthy was the MOP, but you do realize that year,

Ralph Samson was the ACC player of the year. Was it? Did Sam Perkins play on that team? Yes, Sam Perkins on the national championship team. Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Perkins, James Worthy, Michael Jordan, Matt Dardy. Yeah.

Yes. So, you know, but the ACC player of the year was Ralph Samson at Virginia. I wanted to do them dudes that were, did they see this in him when he was in college? Like his team? What did you call him, said he was the most, everybody that said he was the most competitive. James Worth is.

James, word to say it, I was the best player on campus for about two weeks. Jordan is competitive. Yeah, yeah. A lot of people are never going to get an opportunity to be around him. But if you're around him, he will challenge you in anything. Bro. Card shooting pool, there is nothing. He is ultra, ultra, ultra, I'm talking about big U.

Yeah. Big L, big T, big R, big A, ultra, ultra, competitive. I'm talking about, and he ain't bet no, like, he bet money. Yeah, you got the hand. I bet you $100,000 I can beat you in pool. Let's go play cards right now.

No, I'm not losing my house to you. That hell. Hey, because it ain't nothing to him. That's some chump. No, hell no. Hey, but that's funny, boy. Flip a coin. You know, we used to play flip a coin.

and get like me. So we both flip the coin, get like me. Whatever yours is, I'm going to say mine is too. We might play a quarter of this man, trying to play a thousand dollars. Hey, hell,

now, get out of here, man. Your ass out of here. Right, right. But I'm sure by now, Jeannie has had a conversation with LeBron and Rich Paul. Right. That's, man, that's all,

that's all smoking mirrors. out now is that the window I know it ain't nothing to talk about now all you gonna do it's gonna be the same oh oh I know what when I got out let me apologize it's it's fake man oh Joe's fake now you already know what the play is not Joe what's the point to apologize now she she'll make a video she'll make a video man make no sense you know people tell you how to feel and all of a sudden it get out Now you're embarrassed. Now you got to put everything in reverse.

And come on, man. It's how you feel. It's okay. Everybody's not going to like everybody. No. Owners are not going to like all their players. And you just so happen to feel a certain way about the individuals that came in

and held the Lakers in a way. And maybe you do appreciate it. But in hindsight, you actually don't. We shouldn't be surprised. I don't think Mr. Rinesdorf was the fondest of Jordan because if he was, he'd have never let Jared Krause break that team up.

We can blame Jerry Krauss and people put that on Jared Krauss. But Jared Rinesdorf owns the team. And it's just like we're going to talk about this a minute. Buffalo. Oh, a bean, bean, bean, bean. Yeah, and he bears some culpability. But the baguolas, they own the team.

If NBA teams reportedly expect there will be a divorce between the Milwaukee Bucks and the Yonnis per burn. horse. It's almost like a couple that everybody in the league thinks is going to get divorced. They don't know if they're going to get divorced by Easter or if it's going to get divorced by July 4th. But in the league, teams do believe this is going to be a divorce. A divorce. I know what Yonis is on record is saying. I know what Doc is on record is saying. The bucks to my knowledge are still not taking phone calls on Yonis. They're only making

an outgoing cause. Having said that, I can just tell you that teams are poised thinking this could end up being a separation at some point. Well, hell, I could have told me that. Hey, Joe, I stayed that long time ago. Well, Yonest, that's my homeboy. You know, Joe, I ain't really too savage with my knowledge of the game of basketball. No, Joe, right, go ahead.

Oh, Joe, you got a chill, man. Yeah, you got a chill, for real. Hey, hey, hey, hey, now you know, Joe, you know I know everybody. Come on, hey, look, man, we didn't, we didn't hug out, had a good time. Don't act like that. Like, come on now.

Come on, come on. Hey, listen. Hey, listen. If, check this out. If he don't get traded at deadline for sure this summer, Uncle, no, Joe, because his value is so high right now. And, yeah. Yonis probably could win another couple championships.

You put him on the right team. The problem is who has, who, because the problem is when you get one of these guys, Joe, you take so much away from the team that he's going to be going. to. So let's just say the Knicks are in place. I'm going to need Carl Anthony Towns. I'm going to need Ananoby. I'm going to need bridges and I'm going to need some draft picks. You might get two of them. You might get two of them. You won't Yonis? Ah? Hold on. You want Yonis? Yeah, I want Yonan. Okay, I need Kat. I need O.G. And I need bridges and I need draft picks. Whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down, slow down. Listen, let's just keep him over here.

Good luck with your team. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen, I can give you two. I can give you two of them plus some draft picks, but I can't, you can't, you want to, you got to keep one of them wings. You're going to have to probably give up two of them, but you're going to keep one of them.

Ten straight, ten straight All-Star games. All-N-BA like seven, eight times. Defensive player of the year. Finals MVP, two-time league MVP. Now, I know, I know. I want cat. I want all. I want bridges and draft picks.

Uh, uh, for, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, hey, hey, whoa, how about we throw in a little cash on that? We cut a couple of trades, a couple of draft picks. I throw a couple of mail in on, you know, some cash and your cash no good here. Oh. I want Carl Anthony towns. I want McKell Bridges. I want O.G.

On the Nobi and I want a couple, I want a first, I want two first round picks and I want two pick swaps. You ain't, you ain't. You ain't leaving off. Desmond Bain went for four first rounders and two and players. Look at what McCaill Bridges went for. And you tell me I can't get this for an MVP, a final MVP, a defensive player of the year, an eight-time all-NBA selection? Times, times of change, man.

Guess what they changed? Yonis is on the contract with the books. I know it for another, I think, two years to be. You know, yeah, yeah. But listen, you know, you don't want that bad juju over there. I want that bad juju. No, you don't want that bad juju. Go on get him off your hands that y'all start fresh. Oh, he's going to be mad? Tell him scratch his ass and get glad.

You are. Go get the $60 million. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. What's up? Hey, hold on. I'm saying. Let me get the little scenario though. You said LeBron to the Knicks. So is there a chance we can see LeBron and Yonis on the same team? See? Now I look at you. I look at Joe's shaking the head now. Yonis, Brunson, Yonis, Brunson,

and LeBron? Somebody got to take a little pay cut. Somebody got to take a little pay cut. Well, first of all, I'll go to that asking for my, he asked him, I ain't going to have nothing left, man, leave me butt-naked over here. You know that's what happens. You know that's what happens when you trade for.

What happened to the Knicks when they traded for Mello? They have nothing left. They ain't had nothing. I think you gave up everything to get him. No, bitch, no, nothing. We're going to figure this thing out. You know, and I agree with Brian. I know what Yonis is saying publicly.

Yonis says, hey, y'all hear what I'm saying, but whatever my agent do, that ain't got nothing to do with me. Since when does an agent not work at the behest of the player, Ocho? You had an agent? Joe, you've had an agent. I had an agent. They do what we, hey, this is what they got. No, I want a little bit more.

Right. Right. Hey, the player, you know, NBA players, a joke, a NBA players, they're in a position to talk and see what they really want to say. They're in a position. They got fucking much. It's such a superstar-driven league. Yeah.

Okay, Ocho, you know what I mean? Like, ultimately, those, the big guys, the big guns, brun, yon, is those, they can kind of get what they want for real. Yes. You know what I mean? Yes. They, Yokich.

They drive. You look at a guy like Yokich. Yokich, whatever he won't. Yokish said he wait. Watch what Yokic get this summer. Oh, my God. Yonan said he don't want to be there, so they might be able to just get the ball rolling now.

Ain't, ain't no point wasting no time. And then if you don't, if you don't. Then take his brain to a whole other level, boy, going to New York. Oh, my goodness. Can you? And think about it. You win a championship. up in one of these, one of these cornerstone franchises,

the Celtics, the Knicks, the Lakers. Hey, they had it. You win one there. They're having them standing right next to the Statue of Liberty. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. You win one in New York.

Can you imagine? There are certain places if you win a championship. Yeah. You're, you're mythical. You win one in New York. You look at how Boston looks at Big Pops. copy. Look at how New York looks at Jeter.

Look at how the Lakers look at Kobe. Look at a, uh, a, uh, uh, uh, uh, bird and Celtics, magic with the Celtics. There's certain, Joe, Chicago, you win a championship in Chicago, man, come on, man. People still talking about, people still talking about Jim McMahon. Bring a championship, bro.

You forever. These friendships. And they ain't had one in 50 years? Yeah. What? Man. Yeah. Be his story.

The thing, a lot of things, but here's the difference between LeBron, what I like about LeBron and Kevin Durant, they don't care nothing about no pushback or what the fans want. I'm going to do what I want. Katie said, I'm going to go to state.

F you. I'm going to Brooklyn. F you. I want to leave Brooklyn. I'm going to Phoenix. F you. I'm leaving Houston. He knows that Blue,

blowback is going to come. JD said, I don't care. I'm going to do what makes me happy. Far too long, I've done what made everybody else happy. Now it's about my happiness. LeBron knew he was going to get criticism for leaving Cleveland and going to Miami. He knew going back to Cleveland.

He knew going to the Lakers. He said, Fing. Everybody ain't built to take that criticism. That's why LeBron, that's why Giannis is saying, you know, you heard what I said, but whatever my agent decides, that ain't got nothing to do with me. Like that age, you're going to do something without your blessing.

Bill's owner, Terry Picoula, appeared on Sean McDermott as a skate, appeared to use Sean McDermott as a scapegoat publicly shifted blame while standing firmly behind Brandon Bean, especially defending the controversial decision to draw Keon Colman. Coleman was selected by Buffalo with the 33rd overall pick in the 2024 draft, but has underperformed thus far in his two seasons. Let's take a listen to what Mr. Bagula had to say on, Keon Coleman. Yeah, I mean...

Can I interrupt? I'll address the Keon situation. The coaching staff pushed to draft Keon. I'm not saying Brandon wouldn't have drafted him, but he wasn't his next choice. That was Brandon being a team player and taking advice of his coaching staff. who felt strongly about the player. And, you know, he's taken, for some reason,

heat over it and not saying a word about it, but I'm here to tell you the true story. Ocho, before you go, now, if you go back and look at the NFL network cut up, Brandon Bean is saying, I'm glad he ran 457, that means he'll be there when we select. Now, that's what he said.

If it's a lie, he told it. But you see? Now, there, Vic Carucci, and I know Vic, Vic said there was a meeting about a month ago. Mr. Magula, Brandon Bean, Sean McDermott. They asked Sean McDermott. Now, this is what's being reported. I don't know I weren't there.

What's being reported is that he, Sean McDermott says, I don't think we have enough right now to win a championship. And in the process of saying that, because I'm trying to, now, since he drafted Josh Allen, Brandon Bean has selected two Pro Bowl players. Two.

Dion Dawkins. James Cook, Dawson Knox. Oh. James Cook, Dawson Knox. He selected 56 players. That's not a good ratio. No. Oh, Joe, I don't think I've ever heard an owner.

Ever, ever. Joe, ever. You don't, you don't do your young players like that. You don't come out and say some of the things you just said like that. Now, I understand the onus also in being responsible, being on time, knowing your routes, not missing meetings, whatever it may be. whatever reason they had to make you a healthy scratch, you can control it. Absolutely.

But if you were doing your end, not only in meetings, not only at practice, then we wouldn't begin to a part where your owner comes out saying stuff like this because they see you as a valuable asset to that team. So when they don't see you as a valuable asset, this is the kind of bullshit you got to deal with. Which rarely happens.

Conversations like that, Joe, like when we heard today or what I just played? That's the stuff that goes on behind closed doors. Those are the things that are said behind closed doors. You never hear about it. The public never gets to hear it. I think we saw a small example of it with Jerry Jones this year, obviously with the Michael Parsons stuff.

You saw a little bit of it creep out a little bit. Actually, an owner actually saying how they truly feel, but now owners are getting a little not a little brazen, you know, and letting people know how they feel about certain players. You like that, no, Jojo? I love it, I told you that. I told you we need to have more people like Jenny Bus. You need to come on that.

Yeah, you know what? I said it. That's how I felt at the time. I was angry. I was upset. You know what? Is anything I could do about it? Can I take it back?

No, I can't. Mr. Bean. Mr. Begoula. That's how you feel about Keon. Okay, bet. Say less. Either going to keep him or you're not. But I tell you one thing.

I tell you one thing. You let him go. You're going to regret it. Maybe that's the chip he might mean. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Maybe that might be the chip he might need, huh? Joe, sometimes it's a wake-up call.

Because if I'm hearing that, if I'm hearing that, if I'm Keon and I'm hearing that, I'm like, come on, man. Hey, Joe, it's a good thing. They bench, hey, Joe, they benched bright young last year, right? When he came back from that bench, boy, what do you look like? Stepping on stuff, stepping on it. Come on, damn. Stop playing.

Big boy. Man, listen, another, a small example. Some people might not believe it. Some people might not believe it. They bids, they bids to her. I, I, I, I just have a feeling and a gut, just a gut feeling inside of me. Hell, he gonna go so well. He's gonna ball lady.

And he gonna ball. And the situation might be predicated for him perfectly. I just think it might happen. Kea R Coleman, fuck him. Come on down here in the off-seeding and holl at your boy. Yeah, hey, hey, go see, go see Ocho. Ocho, y'all, you gotta get your hand. Oh, man, listen, hold on.

Joe, we, hey, he didn't know, I'm already in his hip pocket. He didn't hear him already. I come down there. I'm ready. I'm ready. You got to get him right, Ocho. Hey, Joe, hey, that guy. Where are you from?

Where are you from? I'm not sure. I'm not sure what Keon from. He went to Michigan State, so he might be from Michigan somewhere up in Michigan. Oh, yeah, because he went to Michigan State, he was at Michigan State at first. He was in Louisiana, Ocho. Yeah. He's from the boot.

Okay, okay. Oh, he's from the boot. I mean, he already got that dog getting him. They breed him like that. Yeah. Ocho, you got to teach him how to be a pro Ocho. That's- I got him. I got him.

I got him. A professional with your occupation, PRO is how you go about your business. Yeah. Now, that telling that joke, they were laughing at Cho, remember you got them coach from Marshall and H&M? You know, I play a little golf. All I do play football, go home, play golf.

football, go home, play golf. I'm Tiger wish you could, not Tiger Woods. Okay, that's fine and good. Now, you're telling all them jokes and everybody kick, kick in, get your ass on the field, you better ball out. Right. Yeah, that's it.

That's it. I know a guy that was funny, that joke all the time. Oh yeah, he was a class clown. With a seven-round drive pick, Joe. Hey, I had joke for the hat. Hey, I could tell you another one that was funny too. And he was entertaining, Joe.

Hey, he ain't take the game serious and he didn't follow the NFL rule. He marched by the beat of his own. Who was it? Who was it? Who? Shit, boy, you're looking at him, boy? Huh?

Shit, hey, hey, hey, but listen, the NFL was my playground and I'm gonna play it the way I want to. I don't care what you say. But when it came time to do things right, the things that require you being a pro. Yes. Being on time, sooner for meetings,

Practicing her. Hey, Joe, I ain't this shit. You first one now. Oh, man, who? Get it. What? Joe, I lived in the stadium of first two years. In the way, road.

Man, that's the kind of, that's the kind of locked thing I was. I was a little bit crazy. I was a little crazy, yo. They called me can't get right, Joe. That's what I was, Joe. Hey, hey, hey, real talk. When I was in college, Uncle Joe,

I slept in the gym for real. We had a lounge and it had like, that's when you had the big flow models, flat screen TV, the big, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, man, I used to, hey, I had my video game hooked up on that joint. I slept in the lounge, bro, and just go out and shot. It's basically taking naps and just waking up, going out there, you know, working on my game.

I was in college. I lived in the gym, bro. Yeah. Hey, eh, uh, Joe. Keon got to love this game, man. He got to love the game. When you love the game, Joe, when you love the game, Joe, when you love the game, Joe, and you pour into that motherfucker, Joe, it gives you all, it all comes.

come back to you on Sundays. It all come back to the results show up on Sundays. I'm talking about what nobody's looking. Joe, you got to pour into your craft, Joe and Uncle. Oh, Joe? When you pour into your craft, not when they tell you you got to go out and train. When you're not even supposed to be doing it, when nobody's watching, when nobody's looking,

and you just working on it. And you're honing it. And you sharpen it. The results show up on Sundays. And before you even get to Sunday, I want Kea R. Coleman to get to a motherfuckering to all. season where he gets into a building, whether it's in Buffalo or whether somebody else, where he gets in a building and he makes everyone else a job easy.

But God damn, who is this? Yeah. Well, who is this? Now, everything flips. You're now more valuable to them as opposed to the opposite way. They can't talk shit about you because now you're on your shit. All your eyes are crossed. I mean, all your eyes are dotted and all your teeth is crossed.

Now you got to do and go out there and play football. Got that discipline, bro. You got to have that discipline, bro. I always, I used to ask guys when I would talk to guys, I don't get an opportunity to talk to very many guys now. I say, I want to know one thing. Do you love the game or do you love what the game can provide? Oh, man.

That's all I need to know. Because if you love the game, everything that you think the game can provide, it will. And plentiful. I love. In abundance. But if the only thing that you love is what? but the game can provide, it won't be long.

Right. It won't be long. You get exposed, I'm... You get exposed real quick. You forget. You forget what got you there. You forget what got you there. The hard work, dedication, the late dark nights.

Because see, once you come into being a professional and you get... You start to make all this money, man. You start to do things that probably you normally wouldn't do. But as a youngster, we know you're gonna make mistakes. but we got to try to minimize those mistakes. But you got to have a love and passion to naturally want to get better, bro. That's the only way you're going to improve.

If I got to always tell you or Keon, if I always got to tell you, hey, man, come on, man, let's go work out. If I got to always do that, I'm going to go so far, brother. You got to be there. I can't want it for you. Nobody.

I can't want it more than you do. No. I can't. It'll never work. It'll never work. And listen, Unk, I didn't send a DM to all the young ones now. I just sent a dean to all the young. You, what young are you laughing?

Kian already talked to him. Xavier Layed, already talked to him. Roma Dunzee. Man, Luther Burden. I'm talking about, I didn't went through all 32 teams here. Everybody's in year two and three. Man, come on, man. Yeah, I'm going to come out there.

Give me some of them ladder drills with you all. Man, let's, let's work, man. Let's politic. Let's talk. How do we get you going back to your team, completely different completely different where you're now more valuable

to them. God damn. You mean we, hey, hey, what do you mean? We don't have to put him in motion? No. We don't have to get distance split. I mean, just all around your game

can evolve so fast in just, though, just two, three months. That's all I need. Yeah. Two, three months. How you see in the game different? A, A, there's got to be, You know, you got to look at maybe who the people are hanging around too, Ocho.

You never know, bro. You know, it could be deeper than just the game, bro. Just keeping it 100. You know what I mean? That's why I take my hat off to the greats. Because if you look at anybody that's been great, Tom Brady paid the game like he was still, that sixth round draft pick, and he was broke.

Peyton Manning was the number one draft pick. Holly saw that after him, but he played the game like he was broke. Jordan played the game like he was broke. Kobe LeBron. All these guys played the game like they were broke. they put the time in year after year in order to be great. Some people are born great. Some people have greatness thrust upon them.

It does not matter. It only matters what you do with that greatness, Theodore Roosevelt. Some people are boring great. Some people have greatness thrust upon them. What are you going to do, Ocho? They're going to be all right. They say, Ocho, your famous quote says,

and San is doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result. I did the same thing over and over hoping for the same result to be successful. That's why I trained the way I trained. That's the way I ate the way I ate. That's why I did what I did because I wanted the same result. All pro, pro bowl, Super Bowes. Why deviate?

Mm-hmm. I'm not saying, be you. Because at the end of the day, I'm me. Mike asked me one time, he's like 84. Why you not calm like 10? TD because I ain't TD. That ain't TD. That's me.

Yeah. The greatest compliment that I probably was that I got from my teammates and a lot of the coaches that said 84 when you was gone, we were miserable. All of a sudden it became a job.

It wasn't fun anymore. And you heard John said, say you kept the locker room, you got them going. I kept some bulljib going. That was me. But when they need a training camp or practice, Koo would come to me or Koo would send BP with my position coach. The boss wants you to get them going.

Okay, now I got to start banging on the joke. I'm going to strike the band up. Doon, do, do, do. Oh, I'm going, I'm bang on everything, Joe. Strike the banner up. You, you, oh, y'all about to get it today. No, no, no. The man say, hey, we need that.

Yeah. Kian, you can do both. You can still be you, but you can only be you if you, you own the field. Yeah. All that dancing, all that dancing and all, hey. All this, all that. All that. Do that in the end zone.

Hey. What that, what that dad did we do with a toe? Hey, you got to. I don't know what to call. You got to be the hardest worker. Yeah. You got to be the hard of. that in the end zone.

Yeah. All right. We're going to, we don't, we're going to get them right. I'm getting right, Joe. Hey, I'm looking for a reason to put him in my goddamn, keep you in some shape, Ron. That's what I be talking about, man. And you know, you know I got the, my wide receiver workshop now.

Where? In the, in the off season. Well, all the, all the fellas came out last year. In Miami? Man, what? Man, hey, I'm talking about my old high school, Judy, Chase, T. Higgins. Jordan Reed, Cortland, Sutton, man, all them, J.S.N. was here.

Like, all them, I, dog, they, I told me, well, they, hey, Joe, I ain't expect them. I didn't expect all them boys to shop like that. Because, you know, it was short notice. And I'd be scared to bother people, because, you know, I look at them like, oh, my God, like a little kid, like I never played the NFL. So if I was, if I was an ass personally and they tell me no,

Joe, I be, Joe. No, I swear for God, my right hand of God, man. Rest the, right on my mama. Yeah. my mom. Like, I can't take here and know from those that I look up to now that I'm not playing the game the more. I don't, I, the way they view me and how they look

at that they say, man, shit, we look at you. No, you don't understand. Like, I, I, I can be humble and be a fan of y'all. No, when they showed up Joe, Joe, I try to, I try to thank them boy for showing up. Joe, I started to cry. Oh, man. Yeah, Joe, I tell me, Joe, but hey, but Joe, it felt good. It felt good because I was, I was scared to reach out to him because these are the big boys. These are the boys making 30, 40 men a year.

I think they're gonna come work out with me. And they, and they looked at me and said, man, it's you. You didn't right, when you're coming. Hey, you ain't know how much weight you care, bro. Nah, not. I mean, you know, I don't look at it like that, Joe. I don't look at it like, but the boy had me feeling good. So now I'm seeing all the issues with all the young dudes this year, girl.

I'm like, nah, I'm gonna fix that. You gotta keep him on track, man. Keep them, keep the receivers on track, bro. Damn. Yeah, I'm going to get some of that, though. If this doesn't wake him up, because, like I said, I've never heard an owner talk about it. Now, if he wasn't on the team, I can see it. This man still currently on your roster, and you talking reckless like this.

He's saying Brandon, branded, that wasn't, that wasn't Brandon choice. I'm not saying Brandon wouldn't selected him. Right. Yeah.