Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Fernando Mendoza LEADS INDIANA to NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP vs MIAMI + John Harbaugh's DEMANDS for next CONTRACT + Kevin Stefanski INTERVIEWS for RAVENS HC + Vikings are REGRETTING letting Sam Darnold WALK

Episode Date: January 10, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Indiana Hoosiers blowing out the Oregon Ducks to advance to the National Championship to face the Miami Hurricanes, John Harbaugh c...ould command a hefty contract from his next team, and the Baltimore Ravens have interviewed Kevin Stefanski for head coach and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 11:43 - Indiana beats Oregon27:02 - John Harbaugh’s Contract Demands37:03 - Ravens completed interview with Kevin Stefanski48:28 - Sam Darnold’s Year over Year stats (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:34 Thursday night, February the 5th at the Herbs Theater in San Francisco. So, Bay, yay, show up, show out. Before we get to talk about this ball game, because there wasn't a whole lot to talk about, I want to show you something, Chad. This is why I'm wearing this get up. And this man has some nerve this morning. He wants to send a special shout out
Starting point is 00:05:00 to a good friend of mine, Shannon Sharp. And the nightcap show. Family, no way. I'd be able to treat myself if I paid $5900 that I owe unc. Yeah. So now Shiky Shay got to show up. I don't chat, I just want you to know I did not want to revert back to the way I was.
Starting point is 00:05:23 I had tried to get out of these mean streets of Glenville. Right. But every time I tried to get out, somebody pulled me back in. And it just so happened to be, he pulled me back in. So I don't have no choice. So y'all forgive me. Father, forgive me for I'm about the sin. Just know it didn't have to come to this. This could have been prevented months ago, weeks ago, years ago.
Starting point is 00:05:54 This man refused to pay unc his money. So unc sent me to deal with it. Okay. Okay. So this is like the orth ego. Like this is the author ego. I don't know no, um. A shyst-ish, a shi-shae.
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Starting point is 00:07:26 I can't believe this chap that Unk had to go get shy-ishy-shaped, pull him out. Because this man, he bought this life. He bought this life, man. You don't understand, bro. Hey, you don't understand my paper means something.
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Starting point is 00:08:33 So. I wasn't playing. I was just, you know, God is blessed me to be able to do some things I've never been able to do before. And I would just, you know, being thankful, not just to you and the nightcare family, but God will. We're in the ball. We can spend a slide. That's all. It is what it is.
Starting point is 00:08:55 The money don't even matter. Now, you good. We good. We good. We good. Hey, one thing about it, my grandma always say, boy, as long as somebody owe you, baby, you're, you're never be broke. Well, I'm gonna let you tell the man that. Which man? The man that you go go meet. Make sure you got his ties with you.
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Starting point is 00:13:02 Okay. I like that. Oh, shi-shy-shaid, boy. Yeah, that's a good one, boy. Indiana Hoosier blowout the Oregon Ducks by the score of 56 to 22. The Hoosier will face now there's only two. Indiana Hoosier will face the Miami Hurricanes for the national championship on January the 19th. Indiana has beaten its two playoff opponents by the combined score of 94 to 25.
Starting point is 00:13:32 The blowout started early in the game. DeAngelo Pons, who came on the show earlier this year, picked off DeVante Moore on the first offensive series of the game, returned it 25 yards. Oregon tied the game up. Moore showed me something because he threw a pick and then he came back and answered. And then IU went on a 35 unanswered run,
Starting point is 00:13:54 point run, and that was really the ballgame. Just too many turnovers. Indiana was just far too good. They're very well coached team. Offensive line, defensive line took the ball game over. And those receivers, they don't have big names, but they catch everything. They hide point everything.
Starting point is 00:14:11 This was a really coached. a really, a really, really well coached football team. They're really disciplined. And I know everybody's talking about the youth back, but do you got their hands full, Locho? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Not only do they have a handful. University of Mind, what we saw from them when they played last night is they had
Starting point is 00:14:30 tournaments, they had turnover. And this is the exact same thing. I felt when it came to this game, it would come down to not only the quarterback playing Dante Moore and Brother Mendoza, but it would also come down to the turnovers. And long behold, the first play of the game, the goddamn outright, quick out route, mind you, he already ended, he in the gun.
Starting point is 00:14:51 So the goddamn DB is not moving. Oh, Joe, you came over the dog, and he throws the late and throws it behind. Oh, Joe. You see him rotate, safety shoes back, they rock, go down to the other side. That's man free. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:15:05 He's off. He's clueling. He don't even get out of his back panel. He didn't even budge. Didn't they put him in motion? What now? Or whether he is not because if you think about because he he tried to run a speed. Yeah, he tried to run a speed out.
Starting point is 00:15:23 Speed out. Yeah. D.B. Pons was just, he took one step and drove. You ran out and up your head. But you ran the out. Oh yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:15:34 It's unfortunate. Carson Baker is going to have to play not, not saying play perfect. He's going to have to play damn near. to damn near perfect you can't you can't turn the ball they put so much pressure on you on both sides of the ball ohcho they got them front they dominate both lines of scrimmage and that's what that's what the you tries to do so it's going to be immovable object irresistible force something's got to give yeah absolutely hey i i remember watching mendoza down here in miami god damn it i'm i remember are down here in Miami,
Starting point is 00:16:12 at Columbus High School. I didn't know Mendoza would be what he is today. I had no idea he would be this good. If you look at some of the throws he was able to make, some of the throws that attribute to some of the quarterbacks that let you know, they're going to be good. He's throwing a goddamn comeback route off the left half to the wide side of the field on the money.
Starting point is 00:16:35 His ball placement all game long was phenomenal. On those same plays with Dante Moore through intercept. in the beginning of the game, every outrouty through, whether it was on the short side of the wide side of the field, the ball placement was perfect, throwing receivers open. Even if they were covered, the ball placement. Back shoulders, high, but the receiver's, oh, Joe, you see how they high point the ball?
Starting point is 00:16:59 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's only where his guy can catch it. Mm-hmm, it's gonna be a completion or it's gonna be incomplete, he's not gonna be picked, and no balls even came close to getting picked. He was sensational. All night long. Man, I'm looking at Coach Signette on the sideline.
Starting point is 00:17:18 If he, if he's like this and they're winning the ball game, I hate to see him when he gets upset. Yeah. Hey, he don't show no kind of emotion. He got his hands on his heel. What about that? I'm like, are you happy?
Starting point is 00:17:33 Hey, the camera pan to him after a touchdown, he showed nothing. The sideline going crazy behind him. Stone cold killer face. That's it. But Mendoza was very good. Hey, the job is not. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:17:46 What you saying? No, I was just saying the job is not finished. That's the mentality and the mindset and his body language. That's what it showed. The job's not finished. There's no reason for me to be celebrating. Oh, yeah. You can celebrate that.
Starting point is 00:17:59 I mean, you can't get to the job if you didn't finish this job. I mean, you got to all that means you have another task. It's kind of like when you're growing up, if you grew up on the farm, there's always something for you to do. You can move the animal from one pen to another. You can grind feed. There's always something for you to do. But you have must finish said task first before you move on to another task.
Starting point is 00:18:24 So win the Big Ten. Okay, get to the Big Ten championship. He won that. He won the first, you know, get a buy it. And then they win the next game. So now you advance to the Chick-fil-A peach bowl. Now the ultimate. You get to play for the National.
Starting point is 00:18:39 championship something you've never won. You've never been that situation. And yeah, they're a good team. He's an unbelievable. This might be, I mean, they might need to do a story because we've never seen a turnaround happen this quick. Not what a team that's been this historically bad. I mean, they've been historically bad.
Starting point is 00:18:57 I'm talking about historically historically. I'm talking about like bad news bears bad. Hold on. The funny thing about it, Indiana is a basketball school. Yes, it is. This is the basketball school. When is the last time we've seen the basketball school, dominate like this the entirety of a season.
Starting point is 00:19:12 No, we have it. The entirety of a season and beat everyone. I'm not, I'm not sure if a lot of people, if they were gamblers, if they were betters and they bet on college football, how many people had Indiana to be in this position throughout the season? How many? To be able to make it, to be undefeated, to be playing in a national championship in Miami.
Starting point is 00:19:32 Before Peyton Manning got to Indy, they were known for basketball in the Indy 500. Right. Then Peyton Manning come and then all of a sudden they got excited about football. And he gave him a reason to be excited. Yes. But this story, IU football and to be in this position, one went away from winning a national championship and had to go through the gauntlet
Starting point is 00:19:56 because it's a little bit more difficult now because now you have 12 teams. You have to win multiple games in order to get to a national championship. Once you win, you know, you win your division. You go to the championship, the said division, you win that. And normally, up until a few years ago, you play for the national championship. You rank one or two, you play for the national championship.
Starting point is 00:20:16 It's not like that anymore. You get a buy. So you have to win three games to win a national championship. After you go through your regular season, after you get to your conference championship, now you got to win three games in order to be. So we'll know the real, it ain't no more. Man, such and such should have been in there.
Starting point is 00:20:33 And if they'd have been in there, they'd have done this. Now you win three games. you to chat. Oh yeah, you got ample opportunity. You got ample time. You get, man, I'm sick of this camera. You got ample opportunity to be able to prove yourself and your worth if you make it
Starting point is 00:20:49 to the playoffs and you make it to the national championship. Hey, the fact that Mendoza gets to come back home and play in front of his home crowd in front of the place where he's from, you know, I mean, it's going to be dope. But listen, Mendoza is going to have his handful and the hurricane going to have his handful. I know the pressure is on Carson Ben. Oh, yeah. I know the pressure, the pressure is on him and all those interceptions.
Starting point is 00:21:11 And for one, the turnover. You can't turn the ball over. And they have to capitalize. If those opportunities for themselves defensively, you got to catch some intercepts in this game. Now, you can't, you won't have to. We saw what happened, Ocho. Mendoza put the ball on the ground twice.
Starting point is 00:21:24 And they didn't get neither one of them. Neither one. And they end up going to getting points out of both of them. I didn't understand, Oregon, okay, you're already backed up. You take a delay of game penalty to get backed up even further. and now you let the guy come in there only rush two guys and you let one of the guy blocked the pun. I'm trying to figure out of time.
Starting point is 00:21:44 I'm saying, hold on, you already backed up. Why would you take a delay a game? This game basically once it was 7-7. That was the last time this game was interesting. I thought I'm going to be, I thought it was going to go back and forth, especially after the interception and Oregon. I mean, Oregon got the ball,
Starting point is 00:22:07 and they went right down the field, right down the field at will. I'm like, oh, okay, you know what? This is going to be a long night, and it's going to be a scoring fest. Excuse me, back and forth. Yeah, I was fooled. I was laid it. I was laid astray. Oregon could get any pressure on Mendoza.
Starting point is 00:22:28 Couldn't. He was pinpointed actor. Surrogh, Becker, those guys, Cooper Jr. I mean, he was just spreading around. You get a, hey, you get a catch. You get a catch. catch. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:22:40 Hell, they bought Pons in and let him catch a pass. It's, uh, hey, boy. These are, these are the, um, both quarterbacks in this game, Mendoza is projected to be number one. Moore is projected to be number two. Mm-hmm. I mean, I, I, I can see why. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:02 I, I can see why. And obviously, I, I wasn't that high on Mendoza, obviously because you, you watch, you watch Indiana play, but I didn't know it was this good. that the spotlight is on him. It's a pressure situation, and you have to show up when it matters most. And he played phenomenal. He played phenomenal.
Starting point is 00:23:19 So obviously, if he's going to the Raiders, based on some of the throws I saw him make the night, well, you put some pieces around the quarterback. I saw tonight at the next level, he's going to be all right. You better put some offensive linemen around it. Yeah, that, that's part of the pieces too.
Starting point is 00:23:34 The most important, the most important at that, and you got to get him a receiver. Just one, just one to go with Brock Bowers. He's going to be all right. I agree. I agree with you. Yeah, we were hoping for what we got last night,
Starting point is 00:23:51 a very interesting ball game. Excuse me. I got the hiccough. It was interesting for about seven minutes. That's about it. Seven minutes. And that was it, Ocho. And it was a blowout from there.
Starting point is 00:24:07 I mean, once it got to the half, it was 35, 7th a half. Go ahead. Yeah, hey, hey, chat, and it was 35, seven to half. At that point, I tweeted, you know, is it okay for me to take a nap? Or will Oregon have an opportunity to come back? And obviously, it's college football. Anything can happen, you know, momentum shifts, the pendulum shifts at some point,
Starting point is 00:24:31 and another team catches fire. And, you know, at no point did Oregon threat or even have a chance to actually come back in this game? And, you know, it sucks. I thought it would have been similar to the situation. of the game last night who was very exciting. But, hell, you didn't even want to blink. You didn't want to leave your seat to even go to the bathroom because you might miss something.
Starting point is 00:24:51 That's what I thought this game would be. After the way it started out, even with the interception at the beginning of the game and seeing Oregon respond and go right down the field and score, it just didn't happen. It just didn't happen. Indiana looked very good. Most of these games, especially games of this magnitude
Starting point is 00:25:08 when it comes to when teens are of equal value and quality and skill, you know, the games are women. in the trenches. The games are one up front and that's exactly where Indiana dominated on both sides of the ball up front. And so it's going to be a good one. It's going to be a good challenge for the hurricane. It's going to be a good challenge for Indiana. Because I think the winner of this game is going to be whoever wins the battle of the trenches and also whichever quarterback makes the least amount of mistakes. And that's who wins the game. I would love for the
Starting point is 00:25:41 University of Miami to win. But I'm also changed. cheering for, you know, Fernando Mendoza in Indiana because, you know, he is here. He's a hometown Florida kid. So I'm excited. I'm excited for the game. Yeah, I mean, watching Mendoza probably, I've watched him a lot more down to stretch. Excuse me, as Indiana, you got closer and closer. And it looked like they were going to be on a collision course with Ohio State and the Big Ten championship.
Starting point is 00:26:07 You knew they were going to get into the playoffs, whether they won the Big Ten championship or not, because they had been ranked number two for such a long period. period of time. Excuse me, I'm sorry, Chad, I got the hiccups. But with that being said, watching him, I'm like, okay, yeah, I, but watching him against Ohio State when he really needed to make throws, watching him how just blitzed Alabama, how they just blitzed Oregon. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:41 The Cains better be on their best behavior, Joe. Yeah. This kid, this kid is on a Joe Burrow type run. You remember what Joe Burrow did? I like the comparison. I like the comparison. Obviously that 2019 Joe Burrow was elite. Based on the numbers he put up that season, going to the Natty, winning the natty, but the numbers he put up was unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:27:07 So you understood when it's certain times you can look at a quarterback in college, and you can tell if what he does in college are going to be able to translate to the NFL. And you knew watching Joe Burrow, no matter where he went, as bad as the Bengals might have been, he's going to have success wherever he goes. Well, you look at what he got, and they got one of his receivers that he had in college. They got Chase to join him.
Starting point is 00:27:30 Yes. You look at Chase had like 20 touchdown. Jefferson had like 17 touchdown. They had Marshall. They had Thaddeus Moss. They had Clyde. It was hilarious. They had the best offensive line in football.
Starting point is 00:27:41 They had a defense with Queen and Stingley Jr. And all those got, from a talent standpoint, IU doesn't have that. Now, do I think IU is maybe have the coaching advantage? Yeah, yeah. I like Ed Orgian. I like him. But Signet is upper level.
Starting point is 00:28:04 You can make a case that he and Kirby Smart and he are the best two coaches in college football. Ryan Day is in that. But to do that, what he's done with that team, I mean, look, going to Ohio State and take it over that. Come on. You're going to get blue chub guys. Going over to Georgia and taking over that, you're going to get guys.
Starting point is 00:28:22 Go take over Alabama or something. You go, bro, that's India. That's IU. Yeah. Is it safe to say coaching yet he's done more with less? Yeah, for sure. In a sense? Okay.
Starting point is 00:28:38 I think they go on now. That's dope. Every January, we're encouraged to start over. But what if this year is about slowing down and learning how to understand ourselves more deeply? What if this year is about giving ourselves permission to feel what we've been holding and knowing that it's okay to ask for help? I'm Mike Delarocha, host of Sacred Lessons.
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Starting point is 00:31:14 So listen to good luck with that on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ocho, John Harbaugh contract demands for the next team. This is a- Wait, whoa, wait, wait, wait, that's news to me. A coach can have demands. I mean, a lot of times they do have demands, a lot of times they don't become public, but they have demands. Oh, shit. According to ESPN's Cleveland, Tony Grosse, the full list of demands are 20 mil per year,
Starting point is 00:31:52 a 10 million staff budget, total authority over the roster, and would like to select his own GM. That's not a bad thing, especially for somebody like Harbaugh that knows what he's going to need. If I'm going to Cleveland, I know what I need in this room to be able to succeed. I know what I need in this room to be able to compete in the AFC North, let alone compete week in and week out in the NFL. I'm a Super Bowl winning coach. And these are the things I need to have a competent team and also get me a quarterback to be able to compete. Some you guys have not been able to do for umpteen years.
Starting point is 00:32:30 I think if I'm not mistaking, only Andy Reed makes $20 million a year. Right. What, six Super Bowl of pairs, there's three wins, six seven straight AFC championship games. We understand why he's making that kind of money. We'll see. Teams that are desperate, he has a proven commodity.
Starting point is 00:32:53 He's done a great job. But like I said, you see, you see what he wants. He wants control over the, this is why Jerry's never going to get a coach. I mean, I think Shottie is doing a great job. Now, if they can build that defense, because Shottie can call play,
Starting point is 00:33:07 Dak, loves him, offense loving, is very friendly. But you're not getting a coach like this to coach in Dallas, because you got no safe. All you do is have that title. I'm the head coach. coach you the Dallas Cowboys.
Starting point is 00:33:18 Jerry's going to put who he wants on that team. Jerry's going to draft who he wants. You're not going to have any say so. He says, I won't total. He said, he doesn't say some like to have some input. He says total apart. He says total aparty over the final 53. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:35 They're going to give it to him because it's almost in a situation where the Cleveland Browns are not only desperate for a head coach that wants to turn the culture around in general, but it takes you back to the situation, with Deshaun Watson where they were desperate to have a quarterback who had done what he had done previously with the Houston Texans oh you mean to tell me we get to get this in our building well you know what we're going to do we're going to throw everything in the kitchen sink at them and hoping we get just that now we know things didn't pan out things and work out the way you know we thought they would have
Starting point is 00:34:07 I'm sure the Browns would have liked it to I'm sure DeShon Watson would have liked it to work out too that same way. Now you have an opportunity with John Harbaugh to get a winning coach. One that needs full control because he understands what he needs as a team to be able to compete. So it's going to be
Starting point is 00:34:27 I think the Giants is the best situation because they have the most stable quarterback situation. They have a defense. You know, you got a Brian Burns, you got a Dexter Lawrence, you just took Abdul Carter with the third pick in the draft. You probably need, you know,
Starting point is 00:34:42 some corners. You definitely, you know, build that offensive lineup. But I don't think they're going to stand padded receiver either, I thought you. I thought Rondell Robinson had a great year. Hey, he did. He showed him to play.
Starting point is 00:35:00 But I think they're going to probably go get, try to beef up that position. Look, I agree with you. I think somebody's going to give him back. I think it's going to be the Giants. Yeah. Because you want, first of all, It ain't that much.
Starting point is 00:35:17 I mean, because what you call it? The Ravens is on the hook for like 13, 14 of it. So you just got to add six to the pot. That's it. You're good. You're good to go. You just got to add six to the pot. Because how was it with this contract extension that he signed this March?
Starting point is 00:35:36 Because he had just signed an extension on show. I think a three-year extension. Right. So, but I've said it once. I've said it again. And hopefully it's the last time I have to say it. on the hook for 34 million oh choo so that may say you're making 17 you ain't got to pitch in but three yeah that's not that's a nice little chug of change right so he gonna want a five-year deal
Starting point is 00:36:09 263 million because the three because y'all y'all doing it's three the first two years and then i'm gonna need that 20 the next three uh 10 million dollar staff budget because you're gonna have to pay office and defense coordinator real you know a million, million five. Yeah. Depending on who you get as a coordinator, you might have to go all the way up to two. But as I was saying,
Starting point is 00:36:38 I think John Harbaugh is a very good coach. I just think that the players need to hear another voice in that locker room. I think his message need to be conveyed to another group of ears in a locker room. Right. It happens sometimes. It happened.
Starting point is 00:36:56 Yeah. Bro, think about the Patriots moved on from coach Belichick. Yeah. After 20. Yeah. Nobody in the history of the game haven't had a stretch of success like the Patriots had from 2001 until 2019.
Starting point is 00:37:17 Nobody. Yeah. Nobody. If Mr. Krabb don't win another game, he should be able to say, you know what, hey, I don't care nothing about winning no more. I'm good because he bought the team that went to the Sue Bowl in 2019. they lost to the Packers, but they went like to a couple of years after he purchased the team.
Starting point is 00:37:36 Mm-hmm. How many divisions consecutive times they won the division, like 13, 14, 15 times they won the division. Multiple. Nine times they go to the end of, they're going to the Super Bowl. Man, sometimes it just, you just need a, you just need a different voice. I need a new voice, oh Joe. Yeah. Now all of a sudden,
Starting point is 00:38:00 what Mike Preston, everybody, well, we don't believe we don't like Mike Preston. He don't have no credibility. Now all of a sudden, that thing looked very prophetic. Yeah, absolutely. But, um, people have to understand. They don't understand. They have to put their fandom aside. They have to put their fan in the side and say, you know what?
Starting point is 00:38:21 We don't like this individual that write for this specific news outlet because X, Y, and Z was said in the past or X, but anytime something that is. written by reporters that are not inside that building is coming from inside the building. People need to understand that always, it always happens like this. So anytime you see things written like this and the first thing you say, oh, who is he? He's not credible. Yes, he is. That stuff is purposely leaked and it's always to start a small fire. And that's that small fire at some point, it turned into somebody. If I don't like you, Ocho, you could forgive me the winning, numbers to the lottery and I wouldn't do it.
Starting point is 00:39:02 If I love you, you tell me if you go outside, you're going to get hit by back truck. I'm going outside. We see that today with the man at the very top in this democracy. I don't know how much long it's going to be a democracy, but it is currently.
Starting point is 00:39:16 You see, it doesn't matter what he says. It doesn't matter what he does. They love him. Right. It doesn't matter. You, I, so because they didn't like Mike Preston, they automatically disregarded it.
Starting point is 00:39:32 I bid damn. Yeah. Todd Muggan said he and Lamar didn't have the best relationship. If I'm not mistaken, didn't, uh, uh, uh, Mike speak to that. Yeah. What normally happens is that the offensive coordinator is the buffer between the player and the head coach. It's not normally the other way with the head coach is the buffer between player and offensive coordinator. Right.
Starting point is 00:39:58 It was a situation. I lived it in Denver. Mike Shanahan was the offensive coordinator. Coach Reeves was the head coach. John Elway was the quarterback. Well, he said he don't like that. He said, well, this is what we want to do. Well, he said he don't want to run that.
Starting point is 00:40:15 You got to have a goal between. Yeah. Yeah. That ain't going to work on. Not for long. That ain't. Because you're going to have to remove one of them. And it definitely ain't going to be a player. Not a player that magnitude.
Starting point is 00:40:30 No. They was, uh, they, They thought about trading. They thought about trading, John. They were going to trade into Washington. Yeah. That's when, that's when, uh, Mr. B's like, I'm, I'm done with this.
Starting point is 00:40:46 Right. I put a stop of that. But I think Harms would be great in Washington. I mean, excuse me, in New York. Now, New York. That's not to stop other teams, but he knows in order to win, you've got to have a quarterback.
Starting point is 00:41:03 You're not going to win a Super Bowl like you did before. When you get Flacco, he gets hot down the stretch, and he plays great for four or five games, and then you have an outstanding defense to back him up, that's over. You're not winning like that. You need that guy. Every January, we're encouraged to start over, but what if this year is about slowing down
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Starting point is 00:43:32 shouldn't be the price of entry. Maybe the industry thinks that we just started skating five years ago because that's when they maybe started paying attention. It's a no-fluff conversation about putting in the years, stacking clips and receipts and still having to prove your worth while the industry catches up. You break down the door, sick now like hold the door for everyone. We created good luck with that because we want to share our experience
Starting point is 00:43:53 of existing in an industry that wasn't always built for everyone. So listen to good luck with that on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Ray would announce today that they have completed an interview with Kevin Stefanski for their head coach position. Ocho, could you see Stefansky and Lamar being a good fit? Hmm. I mean, obviously what happened was Zafansky in Cleveland, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But I'm able to compartmentalize in a sense and seeing him over there, you know, in Baltimore. with Lamar and knowing that's the fancy is he's an offensive mind right if I'm not mistaken
Starting point is 00:44:32 now he's he's an offensive mind so I'm not sure um how that that that process would work I know some of the games they was able to play with with Chador and in that environment he won't be able to play those same games with Lamar over over in Baltimore I think he could have some success again um doing doing what he does in Baltimore I still just don't see I think more so I think Lamar in that offense will be okay and will be fine. Once Lamar is back healthy, I think there still will be issues, even if Safansky is a head coach, when the issues on the defense haven't been addressed. Yeah, the issues on the defense aren't addressed.
Starting point is 00:45:12 It still will be the same thing. Everything. First of all, for me, if I'm Brian Flores, that's a lateral move. Why would I go be the defensive coordinator somewhere and go to Dallas, go to Baltimore? I'm still a defensive coordinator. I want to be a head coach. I'm not interested in doing anything. I'm trying to go up. I ain't trying to go like this, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:45:34 So they're probably going to interview Brian Flores, but you got to get, look, you got Lamar Jackson. You've got it. You can hire a defensive-minded coach as long as you have a great play caller. You see Seattle, McDonald, and then he has Clint Kubiak. Yes. You can be that. Everybody, look, first of all, everybody ain't going to be Sean McVeigh. Everybody can't be Andy Reed. That's a lot to be the head coach. I oversee everything and I call plays. Call the plays, yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:12 You know, Shottie, Brian Shottonheimer, he does that. But most of the time, you know, hey, I delegate it. Hey, you see Nick Sariani. You see Dan Quinn. You see a lot of these coaches. Hey, I'm a delegate. Hey, you do that and make sure everything's okay. but to delegate and to be able to call play,
Starting point is 00:46:31 that's a huge, huge responsibility. A responsibility. Look, they're going to look at, if I'm then, I'm looking at Cliff Kingsbury, but Cliff doesn't run to run to football enough. I think that's what him and Dan Quinn's butted, but it heads about. Right.
Starting point is 00:46:48 You can't, hey, you can't keep exposing your quarterback like that. Like that, yeah. You got Derek Henry. He calls him, he calls him, he calls him, get hurt. Yeah. And also, you know, now everybody will have this kind of,
Starting point is 00:47:01 this luxury, but John Harbaugh had been there so long, he didn't have no intermediary. He only talked directly to Steve Bishaddy. Right. So everybody don't have that. Andy probably got it like that. Sean probably got it like that.
Starting point is 00:47:21 Yeah. Those coaches that are proof. Yeah. Those coaches are to prove them have it like that. But the thing is with, It doesn't matter who you get to call defensive play. They got to get better players on the Ravens defense. That defensive line got to get better.
Starting point is 00:47:35 They got to get better, Ocho. Linebacker, the corner, we went through the stats. They didn't generate pressure. The back end can no longer hold up like they once could. And it's shooting fish in a barrel. I get it. Because a lot of times, and we've seen this before, is that when you have a guy like Lamar,
Starting point is 00:47:59 you forget you got Derek Henry behind him. Mm-hmm. Okay. Lamar's okay. Lamar just wants to win. Yeah. And in a given game, Derek Henry presents the best opportunity
Starting point is 00:48:15 for us to win. Y'all think Lamar's going to be upset about his stats? Absolutely not. Go back and look at the first one that we won. Look at John's stats. Maybe 150 yards at a pick. Mm-hmm. You win that one game
Starting point is 00:48:31 changed the way people perceive you. Whether you play good, bad, or indifferent. Go back and look at Tom Brady's first game in the Super Bowl. But that was all defense, huh? That was all defense. I think the thing, look, they've got to get somebody
Starting point is 00:48:47 that knows how to coach an offense that Lamar can succeed in that he got Derek Henry behind him. Right. I thought Todd Monkin did a great job. Of course. coordinating this thing.
Starting point is 00:49:02 I mean, think about it. Derek Henry gets there his first year. He goes over 1,900 yards, almost, what, 17, 18 touchdowns. Follows up with another almost 1,600 yards, another 14, 16 touchdowns. Lamar goes MVP, 41 and 4 gets Nick this year. I think that had a lot to do with it. And when he came back, he wasn't himself. But their problem was they couldn't finish.
Starting point is 00:49:28 They get leads. They just couldn't close the deal, Ocho. Yeah. And so, you know, Steve's like, you know what? And I know, you know, look, it's reported that the front office like, no, Steve, but Steve, like, no. And once you make up your mind, that's the direction that you want to go in. You want to move into another direction. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:52 You don't become as wealthy as these men are with being indecisive. Yeah. You make a decision and you live with said decision. It's of the utmost that they get better players for the defense. They've got to get a right guard. They've got to get a right guard. He just, I mean, ooh, man. Listen, he had a decent game in the last game of the season.
Starting point is 00:50:27 No, he did, no, Joe. Did you not see this man? He thought he was a cross guard. He directed, he directed kids at an elementary school. Oh, we didn't, we're standing. And then no man's land. He got a man, but I like this here and both of them go past. I like this.
Starting point is 00:50:47 And it's, I mean, but think about it, Ocho, if, if, if, uh, and the, the problem that they had is when Lamar went down, they put Cooper Rush in. Cooper Rush in. Cooper Rush is an athletic. So he can't get out of harm's way like Huntley. He can't get out of harm's way like Lamar. And you see what happened? But they got, they got to fix this thing.
Starting point is 00:51:09 Um, Steve is. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, he should have known. own. Bro, defense, bro, that's the foundation of the Ravens. Always has been. That's the foundation. Yeah, you can score all the points you were. As great as Tom Brady was, that defense, look at his defenses that he had.
Starting point is 00:51:34 Those were top 10 defenses. Mm-hmm. Keep him in the ball game. Okay, Tom, winning at the end. He never let, for the most, Tom never let those defenses, never let the game get out of hand. get out of hand. Think about it. When they was down 28 to 3,
Starting point is 00:51:51 how many points did Atlanta score in the second half? None. They had 28 at the half, and guess what they had at the end of the game? 28. That same 28. So you look at the greatest show on turf. They scored 17 points.
Starting point is 00:52:11 The Rams that year, they were going up and down the field. On everybody. Three points. It's going to be very, important to get somebody that can coach Lamar, and put him in the best situation so they succeed. That's what the utmost.
Starting point is 00:52:29 But everybody's going to come and say, oh, yeah, I got this great scheme. Oh, Lamar's going to be yada yada. Everybody, oh, you know, I'm trying to sell myself. I'm on a job interview. Oh, I'm more than qualified. I got five degrees. Yep, putting your best foot forward. No.
Starting point is 00:52:46 I don't think, I don't, I don't think Stafers gives the right fit for Baltimore. I could be wrong. I don't think he's the right fit. Obviously, he knows that division, having coached in that division, what, six, seven years. He knows the division, knows the personnel in Cleveland, but I don't think that's a good, I don't think that's a good fit, me personally. Right. But, Ocho, they got to get defense, they got to get defensive help.
Starting point is 00:53:13 That's what they need, Ocho. They need that bad. Big time. they're going to be some changes. They're going to be some players that's been lifelong ravens and I'm not so sure that they're going to be, they're going to be,
Starting point is 00:53:30 they're going to be there or be there in a lesser role. But they need pass rushes, Ocho. They need past rushes and be an absolute worst way. Oh, he got me sick. I believe so. Well, you got,
Starting point is 00:53:49 you got a cold? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, I think George and somebody got me sick. Oh, man. But we'll see our plans out.
Starting point is 00:54:06 I mean, I think they're going to, look, they got time. I mean, who's in a rush to hire somebody? I mean, you just probably let the best coach that's on the market, you let him go. Yeah. Yeah. So, like I said, I think they'll, they'll bring Brian Flores in.
Starting point is 00:54:27 I'm trying to think who else got let go? maybe they bring Cliff Kingsbury in. Cliff normally works really good with young quarterbacks. You see what he had, Collar. Kyle was rookie of the year. He had Jane Daniel. Jane Daniels, he was rookie of the year.
Starting point is 00:54:44 I don't know how he does with a veteran quarterback, but hey, but he just doesn't run the ball enough. I think that's what rubbed Dan Quinn the wrong way. He put so much pressure on the quarterback, and you have a tendency to do that when you have such an elite level at that. But look at John Sheldon.
Starting point is 00:55:01 Turn it right ahead to James Cook. Look what Sequan did for the Eagles last year. Yeah. And even Christian McCaffrey, they'll hand it to him, they'll throw it to him. A lot of those past, it's not like McAfrey's catching ball 30 yards down the field. He's catching Texas routes. He's catching flat routes. Catching screens.
Starting point is 00:55:25 Give it to him. Let him light and lighten the load on the quarterback. Ocho, with the Seahawks locking up the number one seed, let's compare Sam Donald's stats year over year. In 2024, he was 14 and 3. In 2025, he's 14 and 3. With the Vikings, he had 4,319 pass yards. With the Seahawks, he had 4,048 pass yards.
Starting point is 00:55:52 He had 35 passing touchdowns with the Vikes, 25 with the Seahawks, 12 interceptions with the Vikes, 14 with the Seahawks, he had a pass a rating of 102.5 with the Vikes, 99.1 with the Seahawks. Clearly, how much do you think the Vikes are regretting, letting him get out the building for the little bit of money? And we say a little bit of money.
Starting point is 00:56:19 It's not that $40, 50, $55, $60 million that the top tier, they probably could have had him for 30 plus incentives. But they got to be pissed, huh? They got to be pissed. And obviously, I think, you know, because they picked JJ McCarthy, he was hurt his rookie year. We have no choice but to test our hand on who we drafted. Let's see if he's the answer.
Starting point is 00:56:46 Let's see what he has, you know? And obviously, seeing J.J. McCarthy, when he was at, when he was at Michigan, they ran the ball most of the time. They were a running team. They were a running team. And so now you're getting the product of what you're, you drafted and hoping it would be better than what you already had and you let get outside the door. Sam Donne had already proved yourself what he could do with the weapons you had around him.
Starting point is 00:57:10 And then not only that, he leaves, he goes to Seattle and picks right up where he left off it. And that's it. That alone tells you everything you need to know. I would have, I would have read out of let it run. I, because you got great, you got great reference. Green Bay. Yeah. When they had Brad Farr, Aaron Rogers saw for.
Starting point is 00:57:29 couple of years. Green Bay, Aaron Rogers, Jordan Love sought for a couple of years. Yes, sir. I'd ran it back at least one more. Shoot, one, shoot, I'd have ran it back. But I'm saying, yeah, you can do the cut,
Starting point is 00:57:44 but I'm just saying, I'll run it back, I run it back, at least at the bare middle motor, you got to bring him back after the season that he had. You let the guy that won 14 games through 35 test down, 4,300 yards, and you let him walk out the door,
Starting point is 00:57:58 and you don't get nothing for it? Mm-mm. You know, in comparison to Sam Donner's numbers that year with the Vikings, what were J.J. McArthur's numbers this year with the Vikings? He was hurt most of the time. I know, not even close. No. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:15 Hell, he might not even throw him for 10 touchdowns this year. Damn. And hurt. Remembering this whole hurt first year. And then he's had a hamstring issue. Then he hurt his hand. So. Yeah, it's unlucky.
Starting point is 00:58:36 And there's a good chance. I don't know how certain they are that he's the guy. Are you, are they certain that say that, that, uh, uh, JJ McCarthy is the guy? Listen, he has three, most of the time they give you three years.
Starting point is 00:58:51 Yeah. You know, that third year. Because you got to make a decision. Yeah. Normally that's when they come, that's when they come back to you and, and when you're the guy. You look at Josh Allen, you look at my homeboy.
Starting point is 00:59:05 And that's when they come into it. Is it okay? Well, look, he got one more year. Yeah. He got one more, he got one more under his belt to prove itself. Are you the future? If not,
Starting point is 00:59:18 you know how, you know the NFL not for long, especially for that quarterback position, because every team understands, unless I have one, I have no chance. And then Daniel Jones. Remember they had Daniel Jones there.
Starting point is 00:59:30 Oh, that's right. That's right. I forgot he had a little stint there. Hey, not. And that comes down, the situations matter. The situations matter. You was in New York and you, you had flashes. You had flashes, but not the consistency we saw it.
Starting point is 00:59:45 When you went to God damn indie. Nope. Right. Turn that damn franchise. Organizations matter. Coaching matters. Yeah. Yes.
Starting point is 00:59:54 And, you know, you hear all the great players. You hear Montana and you hear Aitman and you hear guys that played that level, played that position at an elite level. They talk about how. coaching matters. It talks about how organization matters. Troy is still upset that Jerry got rid of Jimmy. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:15 He says, I don't know. He said, we might have not won any. We might have won two or three. We might have not won none. He said, but I just know we'd won a bunch of games. Because Jimmy knows how to coach and Jimmy knows how to put a team together. That's what Jimmy knows how to do. He can do that.
Starting point is 01:00:32 Right. But Sam Darno, his look, look, 14 and 3, there ain't been a whole lot of guys. There's never been a guy that won 14 games with one team and the next year leaves gold and does 14 wins with another team. That's never happened. Because normally when a guy wins 14 games, he ain't leaving. Oh, yeah, absolutely not.
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Starting point is 01:01:58 Don't try to make no money. Because a lot of times you don't need to do, Joe. I said, look, the Cowboys coming. What I sell these Cowboys tickets for, I'll be able to buy the whole season. Oh. Just the playoffs. What I'll be able to say the whole season.
Starting point is 01:02:17 Hey, listen, they think it just like onus thing. They think it just like onus thing. That bottom line. How can I maximize my earning potential with these tickets? Well, hell, I ain't got to go to the game, but I can set myself up for future games next year. Thank you. Come on now.
Starting point is 01:02:34 That's how they're thinking. But, you know, the fire print says we get to determine we can at any point in time revoke that. We see you put these tickets up. That's why you're responsible for anybody that's in your seat. He, the guy, he or she misbehaved, they throw beer, they, her or racial slurs or whatever the case may be. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:55 You're responsible for whomever than that seat. Right. You think the Seahawks would do that, though, to those who are seating ticket holders? Seating ticket holders? I think the thing, you know, they're trying to scare them. They don't want to do that. Oh, yeah. Right.
Starting point is 01:03:09 Yeah. I don't really see him enforcing that. I think scare them, yes. Actually enforcing it if you resell your tickets as someone else. That's tough. Yeah. I don't want to do it, Ocho. Because I don't know what their wait list is.
Starting point is 01:03:29 Their weight list is not like Green Bay, Washington, the Bronco, team like that. that got 30, 40-year waiting list to get on this, you know. Right. And a lot of them, when you're in those cities, they pass those things down to the family, through the family. So. Right.
Starting point is 01:03:47 But you know what? Right now, the funny thing about it is when you're winning, those waiting lists are long. Yes. So right now with the way they're playing in Seattle, with Sam Darno, JSN having the year he did, with that defense that they have,
Starting point is 01:04:02 oh, it's people in line waiting. people talk about how they know, you do realize they know who sits in what seats. So when they go check and they're like, okay, these seats, oh, these seats belong to such and such. You're selling them. Yeah. They know. Everything is well documented. It is well documented, especially if you're a season ticket holder, all the information that you fill out.
Starting point is 01:04:24 Oh, Joe. Oh, they know who you know where the seats are. Who, what season ticket holder sitting in what seats? So all they got to do, okay, uh, section, 104. seats three and four section seat right for sale section 104 seat three and four section seat oh you got the tickets for sale yeah oh that's that's tom and susan seats oh they're trying oh they're trying to resell thank you okay oh okay i see what i see what's happened time y'all that's why the NFL that's why the tickets are so high for the Super Bowl the NFL saw how much people was
Starting point is 01:05:07 willing to pay for resale Super Bowl tickets. They say if you're willing to pay that, we'll just go ahead and slap that fee on your right now. Since you're paying, since you will pay it. We'll go ahead and hit you over the head for 5K. We'll go ahead and hit you over the head for 10K, 15K.
Starting point is 01:05:23 Since you're willing to pay it on the black market. I would pay it up front. There you go. There you go. It's just like anything, Ocho. You get an apartment, you can't sub-lease it. Well, I put, no, bro. Yeah. A lot of times,
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