Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: George Pickens WANTS to STAY in Dallas + Roger Goddell says NFL had NO IMPACT on BELICHICK Hall of Fame Vote + ONLY 1 MINORITY CANDIDATE in COACHING CYCLE

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to George Pickens wanting to stay in Dallas but knows that the price has gone up, Rodger Goddell says that the league had nothing to do with Bill Belichick not getting in, and the NFL is looking to change the Rooney Rule after only 1 minority coach was hired this coaching cycle and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI...04:45 - George Pickens wants to stay in Dallas19:39 - Goddell says league had nothing to do with Belichick’s HoF vote39:15 - Only 1 minority candidate appeared in head coaching carousel (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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show just come through. Meet and greet tickets are completely sold out, but there are still general omission tickets left. We have Boxer, Jarrell, Big Baby Miller, joining us a bit later in the show. But first, George Pickett. Pickin says he wants to stay in Dallas, but the cost of the bag has definitely gone up. I feel like if anything, it went up, but me personally, my value is just a playmaker type of guy. I feel like any team or wherever I play, I can be playing in Canada. I just want them to know that I'm definitely a playmaker. All things being equal, Pickens wants to remain in Dallas.

I would love to, but when you can't control it, you just kind of hope for the best. Just the ultimate best deal with when it helps everybody. Pick and said, if that's the best thing for both parties, then I'm willing to do anything. But like I said, I can't control it. So I just kind of chill. Ocho? Yeah.

Pick and says, you know, hey, look, he's a playmaker. He wants it to be known. He's just not a playmaker in Dallas. He can be in Canada. He can be in Tim Buck, too. Just know that he's a playmaker. Now, if it's good for both sides, he's good for it. But the bag, the price gone up.

Yes. The price has gone up. Yes. as fat joke, Joe Cracks said, yes, the day's price is not the day's price. Listen, I'm glad George Pickens understands his value. I hope Dallas Cowboys fans understands his true value as well, and understanding that I know as much as Dallas Cowboys fans love George Pickens, I love him as well.

Understanding how that owner operates and they're going to franchise tag them and try to reach a long-term deal, but I guarantee you whatever long-term deal they try to reach is going to undermine and undervalue where George Pickens, can bring to that organization. To me, I only say I would love George Picking to be somewhere else simply because he can get the most of what his true market value is as opposed to staying in Dallas. I understand that. And Dallas Cowboys fans, I'm sure most of you will be like, Ocho, go to hell, shut up, he's a cowboy. Of course you want to be a cowboy because you've seen what he can do

with deck, with Cid Lamb and with that offense. But with the great understanding of being around the NFL very long time, understand how to do. Understand how to do that. negotiations work, understanding how owners truly feel about you when you're not in those negotiating rooms, understand David Mulligetta is going to get exactly what he deserves and not a penny less. I just feel based on Jerry Jones track record when it comes to paying players, especially one where you already have a number one, you're paying a receiver already as a number one, paying another number one who's true market value is number one money, which would overlap what CD is making. Absolutely. I just don't see it happening there in

Dallas. So I see whatever deal they do get done, whatever deal they throw at David Moologetta and George Pickett. It's going to be extremely low and extremely disrespectful. And George just needs to let Dave handle everything because I know Mr. Moologetta is not playing. He's not going to play no games. So, I mean, listen, I, Cowboys fans, you know, I've been nothing but gracious to y'all. I love y'all. I rarely speak bad to your team. But this is the situation where I need you to take your fandom out of it and understand what George Piggins value truly is and know that's your owner and the way he conducts themselves

shows no signs of actually playing paying George Pickens would he truly worth? I don't know if he's going to have a choice in order to, like, look, you can franchise him in hopes to get an extension of long-term deal done, Ocho, five years because he doesn't have any money

on the contract anymore. It's not like you can add years and you do it like that. So you're going to have to give him somewhere five years. With that being said, he knows his value is at the starting point, Ocho is $35 million. Absolutely. Which is what Jetta got.

That's the starting point because Jetta did that deal two, three years ago. Yes, sir. So here we are and the cap is gone up. So Jetta got a deal when the cap was probably $35, $40 million less than what it is now. With that being said, yes.

You saw what I'm capable of doing. Now I just want you to know now. I love it here in Dallas. It's great. Everybody's welcome me with open arms. Everybody on the team, Jerry, you, Stephen, and the family has been great to me.

The fans have been amazing. But I want my money. I want what I've earned. This is what I was capable of all the time. And look, I don't have a problem with him. But I knew he had to leave Pittsburgh because he was kind of set in his ways. They knew what he could do.

But they knew they were never going to get out of George Pickens, what Dallas got out of George Pickens. Well, they understood. So with that being saying, Ocho, let him go. Let him, hey, we got a draft pick. We got a third round draft pick coming. But let him maximize his God-given ability. Let every, let him show the world.

This is what I could do all alone. I wasn't given the opportunities. And he had, he has the propensity to drift if you don't get him to ball early. If he doesn't get engaged early and a lot of great receivers have had that. That's why teams, or, coordinators go out of their way to get the number one receiver, the ball early. Early, because if I get him early, I'll have him late. But if I get him late, I'm not going to have him late.

Yeah. Go ahead, Joe. No, I'm going to say, I'm going to say you're truly right. But I'm hoping, which most fans aren't able to do. They're not able to compartmentalize the business, you know, side of things, and being a fan of said player that's a part of their team. Of course you won George Pickens there. Hell, I won George Pickens there.

And I'm only saying I would love to see him elsewhere. simply because of the fact, you know, let's, let's, let's, Cowboys fan, let's not be delusional when it comes to how Jerry Jones handles and conducts business when it's time to pay players. For one, he does it late. He always does it late. He does it on his time. And the franchise tag, most of the time they say, you know what,

the franchise tag ain't going to buy us a little bit more time to get a deal done. Okay, let's say that's cool. But again, the numbers on his true macro value, what he can get on the open market is not going to reference that if he stays in Dallas. Now, if he is, is George Pickens willing to take a goddamn hometown discount just to stay because he liked the team like Dick, that, Dick, that's, you don't do that on your first deal. No, no, no, no, that's a, that's a second or third deal. Yes. Look, even, even when they gave Miles Garrett his money, even when they gave Michael Parsons his money, it's still not

the money that he could have gotten had. He made a total free agent. Yes. So, I'm saying he has no more years on his contract. They can't franchise him. Now I take my services to the open market to see what I'm capable of doing. Green Bay, like, okay, yeah, they blew the market up, but they had to give up draft compensation. Just imagine if they didn't have to give up draft compensation. Yeah.

So now I can pay him. He might have got $45, $50 million a year. We don't know. Miles Garrett definitely getting more than the $40 million. But he's like, look, I'm here. I just have no more guaranteed money. They're going to give me guaranteed money $110. 115, whatever they gave him.

But you really don't get an opportunity to see your true value, true free agent value until you hit the open market. Yeah. Yeah. And it's either because the thing is on choice kind of like when you were in one job. They can tell you what they're going to pay you because you're already gamefully employed somewhere else. Yeah.

Okay. When you become available, that price goes up. Yeah. Absolutely. Because I'm on the market. Now, hey, you've been with alphabet. bet you're bidding with with uh, meta, you bidding with, you know,

with Amazon, you bet you bidding with Microsoft, you're bidding against others. Well, when I got I got your rights on Joe, I mean, can't nobody, can't nobody do nothing. Yeah. I got the franchise tag on you. Yeah, that's, that's the sad part. How they weaponize

that franchise tag. And for one, it works, it works in, it works in, the owners and the players favor, because at times it gives owners and their team you know time to try to negotiate try to to to work out a contract but just in this case i'm understanding he can't get what his true value is going to be that's that's all i'm saying they're going to lowball them they're going to disrespect them if he was able to if if if if george pickham was

able to be inside those rooms and see how ownership really feels about you they're going to bring up every little thing to say why he was we shouldn't pay him this amount of money and you missed the bus you remember there's a couple of meetings that you missed you remember there's a couple of times that you was late to practice. You remember there's a couple of times. Now, I'm not saying, I'm just saying. No, they're going to use all that. Every negative thing that you do, they bring that up.

Up when it's time to negotiate. That's why most of the time you don't want players sitting on room because you'll be pissed at how they truly feel about you. Yeah, as, matter of fact, as, man, I'm not going to, listen, that stuff was told to me and do just so I'm not going to mention. I'm just saying the top player, the top, I'm not talking about just know anybody. The top players in the NFL when it was time for the, that played at the receiver position,

I was told verbatim what was said about them and it shocked me because do you know who that is you talk about like that? That's how you really feel? That's why, that's why, that's why. What? That's why you have someone to hear their side. Yeah. And you can tell you your side.

So you don't, I don't care what anybody says. When they say, when, when you can be an MVP, when they say, well, we don't thank you all of that. Or you haven't helped us advance past this. Right. That leaves a sour taste in your mouth. Yeah, absolutely. It just does.

Yeah. Because you're human. I would show the chat, say you didn't have this energy for Jamar and T. Come again. Press play. The chat says you didn't have this energy for Jamar and Chase. I mean, Jamar and T. I mean, yes, yes, I did.

I did. I said the same thing. And this, this situation a little different because George Pickens has had issues. George Pickens had troubles. He had troubles in Pittsburgh. He was pissed. Unk, you got on him, I got on him, and now he goes to Dallas and shows what he truly can do what I understood what he could do if given the opportunity to do exactly what he can.

You know, and I just want to see what get paid. He's not going to get paid what he deserves in Dallas. I mean, I'm not saying it in a disrespectful way. I'm just saying in a good thing for him finally getting his payday and his due justice after all the bull drive he's been through. Let's maximize that one opportunity, that one small window you do have to make as much as you can, you know, and it's just not going to be what happened in Dallas.

That's all. Hey, I'm there, you know, I'm not here to argue tonight. I did all my arguing yesterday. You know, I'm trying to stay nice, cool, calm, and collected. Uh, uh, it, it depends,

oh, yeah, it really depends. Do I think he can, he can, he can pole vault chase? In Dallas, no, I don't. No. Do I thought if,

do I think if he hit the open market, he could do, yes. Absolutely. Get damn close to it. Hold on. Absolutely. No, if it's the open market, he's going to poll vote no matter what. He's going to reset the market. Yes, that's what I believe.

But I don't believe, I don't believe he can get what you think he deserves. Right. What he's earned based on the production that he's done. Because you've got to realize now, he came in as the number two receiver. He came in. That's what I mean, C.D. Lamb was top, was top dog. Now, he proved that we knew he was a number one, given the opportunities. but C.D. Lamb was wide receiver one,

and we saw that early on who was getting the target, Socho. Yeah. They'll tell you who number one is based on how many targets you get. They'll tell you who's head of the house. Look at his plate. When it comes feeding time, look at his plate. Who get the big piece of chicken? Who get the most rice?

Who get the most rolls? Who get the most cornbread? Who get the biggest glass of sweet tea? That's the head of the house. Yes. It just is. But I think I think those two guys

handle it very well considering Locho is not like a situation where Chase and Higgins it's not like a situation where you and T.J. Yes. This is a situation

that you brought another guy in. Hold on you brought another Hey, let me show A hold on. I got to call my wing and you all know who the big dog here. Hey, you didn't just bring

somebody else in. You bought a true number one in and you already have a number one. so you can't have two alphas at the same position. You can't, and I think the upside and what, C.D. Lamb is very, very good. We talk about a top five player, but it comes down to it when he's healthy. Now, George Piggins is also when he's healthy and giving the opportunities to play and get the balls and then pause, get the football, you know, the way he can,

you know what he can do. Yeah. He's a top five talent. as well. I just the value in him reaching in maximizing his full potential when it comes to dollars and cents it's just not going to happen and if they pay

them more than they need and then CD you're going to be an issue. Yeah but like I said I believe he's going to go north of 35 million. I don't believe I think he's going to get more than A.J. Brown AJ is at about 32, 33. He's jumping that. He's jumping that and I see you know you guys talking about 30, 32 is all these

going to get no he's not he's going he's going to leap cd what are y'all talking about yes because the difference but the difference is between cd cd had years left on his contract so theoretically you give up you give up some of that oh cho to get security right now yes theoretically they can make you pay the contract out and franchise you as i told you they could possibly do to micah yeah so with cd was willing to give up you know what i'll take a little less to get the long long-term security. But George, if you can't, you can't,

I mean, he doesn't have anything. I mean, he's like, I want long-term security and I want this right now. So I want maximum value while I'm here. Mm-hmm. Excuse me. So. We'll see.

Yeah, we'll see. Me personally, Ocho, this is the one time that I think Jerry is going to be anxious to get a deal done because he real, because he real, listen, Pick is doing a great job of playing the game. Now, we know the situation with Muligeta and Micah. We understand that.

But this guy here, down the field, because he can do it all. He can take a hitch route and go 80, or he can take the top off and go 60 over the top. They haven't had this in a long time. They haven't had this in a long time, Mocho. A big body with a huge catch radius. And so because you think, because they had that, you think all of a sudden, sudden. I do.

I'm going to be optimistic about Jerry this time. Man, child, please. Listen, I love Jerry. And for somebody in the chat that just said they don't understand and I'm not making any sense, let me clear it up for you in my terms. George Pickens can get his true value in Dallas when you already have a number one receiver. Therefore, I prefer him to be able to hit the open market and get his true value somewhere else and actually have his own team and be a number one elsewhere.

understanding and knowing the game that Jerry's going to play. If you understand the business and you see how that Pacific owner has always worked when it came to playing players, that's all I'm saying. It should make clear sense. I can't break it down any simpler than what I just did. He's going to play games when it comes time to paying George Pickens. He is. He was playing games with the...

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Hey, he should be in that conversation. In what conversation? He should be in it. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app. Apple Podcast or whatever you get your podcast. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said today that the league had nothing to do with the vote

for the Pro Football Hall of Fame and that he believes Belichick will eventually be inducted. There was speculation that the Belichick rolled in the Spygate scandal in 2007 and changes to the voting process might have contributed to at least 11 of the 50 voters opting against voting for Belichick.

Belichick was in a group with Robert Kraft and three senior players Ken Anderson, Roger Craig, and Elsie Greenwood, with voters allowed to vote for one of only three candidates with 80% needed for support. We are not involved,

Godell said. Bill Belichick record goes without saying. Same with Patriots owner Robert Krave, who's also a candidate. There are speculation they have contributed so much to the game, and I believe there will be Hall of Famers. Ocho?

Yes, sir. What you take on what? Commit said. It seemed like he was very PC, very political. We don't have anything. And they don't. Listen, he's always going to be PC. It's his job to be able to be on

the fence about all these situations, especially something like this, when he knows it's Astonine. He knows, you know, Waddell knows it's ridiculous that he wasn't, well, he wasn't voted in. Again, those 50 voters, I feel they just have too much power. They have too much power where when they do make a vote, someone should be able to read, go through the vote and look at it and say, you know what? I'm not sure. I need to see all those who are in favor and said, nay, when it came to Bill Belichick, when his name comes across that table of those 50 voters and they said Bill Belichick for the Hall of Fame, it should be a unanimous decision

across the board. The fact that he didn't go win because of personal reasons, which had nothing to do with his resume and accolades and what he did on the field, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's ridiculous. Oh, Joe, I didn't know

that Bill Walsh wasn't the first ballot Hall of Famer. Should have been. I didn't know that. Yeah. I wonder why, though. George Hattles. Chuck Null, Tom Landry, yes, Don Schula,

Vince Lombardi. Those are the five coaches in the history of coaching, in the NFL that have gone in on the first ballot. Mm-hmm. I thought he would, I did. I did think he would get in, but I knew that a lot of people still hold that SpyGate. And SpyGate was worse than they let on.

It was. Now, I'm not telling him what some, I'm telling you, it was. There's a reason why they sent those people there and they destroyed the tape. Don't bring them back. Destroy them there. It was worse. And I knew that they were going to hold that against him.

I didn't know that it would keep him out. I didn't. You know, I thought, you know, hey, it wasn't going to be 100%. Tom Brady going to get probably, Peyton Manning got 100% of the vote. You know, everybody, I mean, he got 100. Yeah. My home's going to get 100. I mean, some people just like, okay.

And I thought that would be coach. I thought Coach Belichick would probably get 90% of the votes. Right. Because there are some, there are some people. And again, again, Ocho, all those times that coach Belichick was cavalier, he was smug, he was condescending. You're being condescending to the people that's going to have to vote for you. We just saw a situation with Tracy Morgan.

Now, this young man fell on hard, fell on hard times. But when he was younger, you see? Now you see how the role is reversed? Yes. And I believe that's what happened. And I'm disappointed. But I'm not as upset about Coach Belichick not getting it as I was, T.O. Right.

Because they changed the rules. They didn't change no rules for Coach Belichick. Right. You get through the candidates. You get the vote for one. That's it. They changed the rules. to keep Tio out.

And you say, you know what? They dead ass wrong. But if you say, you know what, Ocho, he ain't into the first ballot. You make him wait again just because? Yeah. Just because? And you wonder why he held his own ceremony.

And you wonder why he held his own ceremony. I'll never understand that. And I don't care. Don't do that. Don't change the rules. Ocho, you change the rules. to keep me, I'm about to win and you change the rules

mid, mid, it wasn't, I could see if it was in the bylaws before. But now all of a sudden when T.O. Now what you did on the field, on the sidelines, what you, your behavior in the locker rooms. There were some players that had more egregious behavior

off the field than Tio ever displayed in a locker room or on a sideline. Right. And it didn't in here. them from getting in on the first ballot. Now, I'm going to go to Mr. Kraft. And Chad, don't take this the wrong way.

I'm trying to, I'm trying to ask y'all, New Orleans fans, your owner, Mr. Benson, is in the Hall of Fame. Now, you tell me what he did. That's so much greater than what Mr. Kraft has done

that warrant him getting in before Mr. Kraft. But I will leave that alone. Yeah. I'm already, Ocho, the NFL ain't pleased with me right now, so I'm going to leave that alone. But I know how he got in.

They're not pleased with you? They're not pleased with me right now, Ocho. But it's okay. What you did? What you did? It's okay. I ain't do nothing. I ain't do nothing. I ain't do nothing.

Oh, well, you know, listen, anybody that got a problem with you, then they got a problem with me. Send them on my way. I deal with them. So that's, I mean, that's the issue. I mean, you look at some of these owners that's gotten in. The man brought the team, if I'm not mistaken, in 1993. They went to their first Super Bowl in 1996.

Right. Since 1996, they've gone to 12 Super Bowls. That's crazy work, boy. No other team has gone to that many since the Super Bowl was instituted. If I'm not mistaken, in 1966. Yeah. They went to that many in 30 years. That's crazy.

And then when you factor in, how many times they lost the A, so think about it. He's on the team for about 33 years. Yeah. They've lost three AFC championship games to the Broncos and the Colts. So that have been 15. So they've been about one every one in every other year. You can count on the Patriots being an AFC championship game. And about one in two point two years, they're in a Super Bowl.

Yeah. And that can't get that man in the Hall of Fame. Again, too much power. Too much power. And then when you had that kind of power. hour you abuse it would never get him people to satisfaction. Try please. And that's what I'm looking.

I'm like, hold on. I look, everybody. Every man has a flaw. Every, every individual has a flaw. Nobody's perfect. And the Mr. Crave has flaws. But we're basing it on, we're not saying how flaw the individual is.

We're basing it on his resume in what he's done and what he's added to the, because he's a contributor. What has he added? to the National Football League. Right. Based on what his teams have been able to do. Now, are you holding, are you holding SpyGate and the Flake Gate? I can assure you he ain't have nothing to do with it.

He don't know nothing. Coach Belichick had them frozen out. They're diametrically opposed. They're so opposite to each other. Right. They're so opposite. Oh, you didn't got to tell me. I know that.

I know that. it's Mr. Kraft is more and I don't know if he's going to get in we'll know Thursday whether or not

he gets in or not I'm hoping I like Mr. Kraft he's always been great to me he's always been great to me every time I see him he give you a hug those shoes

I wanted the Air Force ones that he have all the Lombarded trophies on the tongue I hit him up I said Mr. Kraft got his secondary and he had him had them call me back and asked what size do I wear.

And he's probably sent me two pair. I don't bother him that much. Because, you know, sometimes, Ocho, when you ask people for things, they expect favor, they expect, you know, the curry favor and you don't say things. But at the end of the day, I got to do my job. Yes, sir. And if somebody's right, somebody's right.

If somebody's right, if somebody's wrong, there's somebody's wrong. And I got in trouble with CBS because who did they play? I'm trying to think who they played. They might have played. I forget who they played and they ended up losing. It might have been the Colts. It might have been the Colts.

Right. And you know, Ocho, when you lose, the coach always, I saw Rex Ryan do it. I saw Tony Dungey do it. I've seen so many, Tom, I've seen so many coaches. Right.

Stand in front of the media and say what happened. But not Coach Belichick, he was saying guys you ain't never heard of. I'm talking about, I'm not talking about Matthew Slater. I'm talking about special team guy that you're like, I'm like, nah, that ain't right. And I said it.

I said it on there, chat, y'all can go pull it up. I say, Coach Belichick makes it real easy for you to root against the Patriot is because of this type of behavior with every other coach that's feeling the same emotions of losing that their dreams that their team is not going to be able to advance

and they have to go stand outside of the locker room and face the media. Now all of a sudden because you got a couple the Sub-Bow, you're too big for that? You're better than that? Right. I couldn't get along with that. I couldn't.

I'm never, I'm never, I'm never. And, but I did, all that being said, I still think he should have been, gotten in on the first ballot. Yeah. So there ain't going to be no coach you're getting on the first ballot. I mean, you put Andy in on the first ballot?

You know, they've showed you, they do what they want to do. They showed you and they don't care nothing about the backlash. They don't care. We're in power. We're in control. We're going to pick and choose. Again, that's part of the power dynamic that they have.

If we want Andy to go on the first ballot, we're going to put him on the first ballot. You know what? We don't like Belichick. We're not letting them in. No, no, no, no. But also, you know how some people make it real easy for you to root against them?

For you make it real easy for you not to like him? That's Coach Belichick. Now, like I said, seeing him outside of when he's not in that mode, seeing him at the Pro Bowl or seeing him at other functions where he's not having to keep that game face on. He doesn't have to keep that stoic look. He's unbelievable.

Different person. He's unbelievable. Yeah, different person. But it's not a popularity contest. It's not about whether I like you or whether I don't. That's the problem. It was about when they lost an AFC championship game to Baltimore. Yeah.

That's what happened when they lost the Baltimore that year. It was just like I just. But I mean, there's nothing. There's, like I said, It's not the NFL Hall of Fame, it's the pro football Hall of Fame. Yes, sir. And, and, and,

but that's what happened when it's subjective. It's kind of like, see, if you say, Bo, it ain't going to never go to the judges. But when you're doing platform diving, you're doing gymnastics, what? It's subjective. You got judges. You got the Romanian judge

they might think it's a 10. You got the Bulgarian or the Belarusian judge might think it's a 9.3. Mm-hmm. We saw two different things. Right. Well, I ain't got to see nothing. I saw you saying both crossed the line first.

That's what I saw. He the winner. It's just, and look, I think these things, I mean, look, I'm old enough to remember all these guys. I saw probably the last, I remember Roger Craig. Roger Craig was from Nebraska. So I remember, I remember Raj. He's the first guy to catch 4,000, and rush 4,000.

in the same season in 1985, if I'm not mistaken. I remember Ken Anderson, your quarterback from the Cincinnati, he won the MVP. He lost in the Super Bowl to the 49ers in Detroit. When it was played, the game was played at the Silver Dough, the Ponyack Silver Dome. I don't know if you remember the Silver Dome. Yeah.

He said tore it down. And I remember Elsie Greenwood, number 68. Yeah. He legit. Now, sometimes on Cho, you know how it is when you play, with other great players, sometimes it can diminish your shine. You play with Mean Joe Green, a two-time defensive player of the year. Jack Lambert, defensive player of the year.

Yeah. Mel Blunt, defensive player of the year. They changed the grain for Mel because Mel was so physical, male was 6364, 205. He was literally jamming receivers down the field throwing him out. The incident of contact? No, that's him. That's Mel Blunt.

Right. So when you got all of those, LC, because Joe Green, Mean Joe. you got a thing that mean Joe yeah everybody with the commercial the cold commercial here can't catch so a lot of these guys overshadowed LC but for the longest LC he was the lead soccer before James Harrison broke his record

right and they had some great players on that team Kevin Green they had a Jason Gilden they had Peezy they've had G Lloyd Greg yeah Yeah, Mike Meriwether. They had some really good line.

The Steelers have always been known for linebackers. Mm-hmm. So they've had some really great players on that team. I mean, look at all the defensive players a year at the head. Rod Wilson was a defensive player at a year. Treo Pallamala was a defensive player at a year. James Harrison, I don't believe no team has had more defensive players a year than the Pittsburgh Steelers.

They've had some good ones. I mean, and they were getting a concern. I mean, look, I mean, sometimes you might have a guy, but you got Joe Green went it one year, then Jack Lambert went to the next year, male Blunt went to the next year, then Joe Green wins it again.

You're like, come on, man, how did that? How? But that's how good they were. Yeah. But the guy that would lead them in Sacks was L.C. Mm. But look, like, like,

Roger said, commission, that they'll get in, but it's something, it's something about, you know, everybody wants that first ballot, because there are so few that actually get in on the first ballot.

So me, Ocho, hey, was I disappointed? Yes, because I think I had done enough. When I left, no tight end could say they had all the records. Most yards, most catches, most touchdowns, most Super Bowls, all pros, pro bowls. Okay. Didn't get in. Didn't get in.

At that point in time now, okay. Ain't nothing I can do, Ocho. I can't go back. I didn't get no more yards. Right. Can't. But, I don't, I mean,

if I could tell coach anything, say, coach, hey, ain't nothing you could do. You did everything that you, you did what you were supposed to do, which was winning. Hey. Now it's up to somebody else to do

what they're supposed to do, which has put you in. Listen, knowing Bill. Oh, it bothered him because his confidant says, what do I have, so six Super Bowls isn't enough.

So he knows, Ocho, because that is, it's a thing, because there's so few. Think of Ocho. When it came to coaches, he was one of the hundred,

he was one of the, remember they had that, that, the Hunter's Anniversary team? Yeah. Who was the coach? Yeah, I understand what you mean. All that.

Probably, if you think about it, Ocho, I don't think Marvin got it. Did Marvin Harrison get in on the first ballot? Most of the guys, John Randall, I think, was an all player and he didn't get on the first ballot. But you're looking at Joe Green and you look at some of these guys

that Marvin got in the third year. I don't think Blunt was a first ballot. Was Mel Blunt of first ballot? I don't think Mel was a first ballot. For Seup Bulls, they had to change the rules for it, Coach.

Yeah. He was first ballot. So it is what it is. Now, Ocho, ain't nothing we can do. Ain't nothing we can do. There ain't going to be another vote and everybody now. See, not everybody.

It should be known. Who voted against Coach Belichick? Y'all didn't want make that concession for T.O. Let us see who voted against T.O. If that's what we doing. Is that what we doing, Ocho? Whatever they want to do. I just check it. Because they want to make it seem like it's so egregious.

And like, T.O. just like, uh, I mean, there are a few guys. I mean, I had a platform at the time. I was on, um, I was on undisputed. So I had a platform that I can voice it. And I know, that was something Skip wanted to talk about. I wanted to talk about it as well. I knew where he. And just because he was on that side of the fence, that doesn't mean that we talked about it because he was over here and I was over there. I just, I'm smack dab.

I'm old enough to T.O. came. I was already in the league. I was already established. And seeing what he was able to do. They moved on for Jerry for T.O. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, absolutely. They moved on from the greatest receiver ever for T.

Yeah. That's how great he was. I don't think people realize because, you know, you look at how he was going at it back and forth on the sideline with the offensive coordinators or the quarterback coach or maybe some of the things that he said about Jeff Garcia and he was said about Donovan. But I don't think y'all have any idea how great T.O. was.

Oh, I know. I got to see him for 11 years straight. He ain't got a year to play with him, so I already know. Y'all have no idea how great this man was. Great, great. He's still only one of three men that would have 150 plus touchdown catches with a threat anywhere on the field. Smoke route, slant route, could get deep,

could run the overrout and split the seam and hit his head on the goalpost. And he was more than a willing participant in the run game. Lock his ass off. And I never questioned, man, T.O. Slack, nope. You know what you got with T.O. He's going to give it to you every single Sunday. Oh, yeah.

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You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcasts with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs. They're cheese. What's a rap? It's time to rebuild. Who's your MVP right now, then? Drake May up there, Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford.

Where did his phone Nick's at? He ain't too far behind. He did all this talk about. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation.

In what conversation? He should be in it. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcast or whatever you go. get your podcast. O'Chay, one day after the NFL coaching carousel stopped with 10 head coaching jobs filled, but only one minority candidate, Commissioner Roger Goodell said the league would take

a closer look at the Rooney Rule, Thornt and the Trash. I think we've become more diverse league across every platform, including coaching, but we still have more work to do. There are a lot, there's got to be more steps. We're reevaluating everything. We're doing, including the accelerator program, including every aspect. of our policies in our program to meet the challenges of today and tomorrow rather than yesterday. We need to be looking at and why did we have these results this year.

Goodell said that every team was Rooney Rule compliant in the head coaching cycle and that he believes every team with a head coach opening exceeded the Rooney Rule this year by interviewing more than the requisite to minority candidates. Robert Sala, whose Lebanese descent, was the only minority candidate to land at top job with no other black head coaches hired. It was the fifth time since the Rooney Rule was instituted that there were no black head coaches were hired during an offseason training cycle. You can put all the rules in place that you want to.

It don't matter. I'm going to hire who I want to hire. My point exactly. I don't know why we keep going through. We keep having to jump through hoops. We keep having to jump through hoops and they keep showing you we don't want you. They put these rules in place just to have something to abide by. Here, here go some rules just to make you happy.

Whether you qualify for the job or not, they don't want you in those positions and being leader of men. They just don't. And the positions that they do give you, it's teams that are not that good and at least it's going to be too goddamn short. And you're going to get fired. They just like, here, damn, so we can shut everybody up. If they don't want you in those positions,

why do we continuously fight and argument, claw, and scratch to be where they don't want us? I don't understand. We gripe about the same thing every hiring cycle. Oh, no black people hired. Oh, my God, yet again. Oh, we're surprised. Everything.

We fussed about the same goddamn thing every goddamn cycle. They don't want us in those positions. Why we continue to try to knock down the door where we're not welcome? My goodness. Ocho, more time than not when you're dealing. You hire people that look like you. Talk like you, hang around in circles like you. Word of mouth, such and such is really, really good.

That's why they go to the senior bowl and meet and mingle. Me and my hiring, I don't really do a whole lot. Actually, this is my recommendation. I think this is the best part. I don't care. If you're a woman, if necessary, I'll hire 10, 12 women. Black, white, I want the best person for the job. Work hard, be on time.

That's my only thing. I ain't got a whole lot of rules. I mean, you ain't got the rules. I mean, the only people that I see is Jordan Ash. Everybody else, they live what they live. But when it's time with, hey, when it's time to do what we need to do, we got to get it done.

So I don't care. I don't care what your gender is. I don't care what your race is. I don't care what your orientation is. I don't give it down by any of that. I want the best people in the job. Yes, sir. That's it.

That's all I want, Ocho. That's it. Yeah. Ocho, hey, Ash, hey, you explain. to them what's expected what? You hired them. What the hell? She told me, I'm the only white person on the T.

You hired them. The hell? Yeah, hey. They might try to close me down, so but I got too much DEI. I'm the only white person. You hired everybody, but George. Yeah, 60 person staff, you're the only white person.

Yes. Yes, we have, how many women we got? Two. Well, you hired him. Well, theoretically real is our staff, too. Oh, we count real, so we got three. But no, we got to keep fighting, Ocho. It's kind of, Ocho, you remember, Ocho, you remember how it was with,

and the six, you weren't born in the 60s, but. I was there, I was there. I did my homework. I went, I went to history class. I know what it was like. Come on, talk to me. But I think the thing is, is that, is that even though, We only got one if you, if you can, considering Robert Salah, who's of Lebanese descent as a minority, and he is.

But just because we didn't, because think about how many times we got turned away in the 60s with the Jim Crow and Dr. King and so many others that kept fighting, kept scratching, just to get a hope. Because I remember it so vividly, my grandfather said, son, you can be anything that you want to, but you. you're never going to be able to be president because they ain't never letting a black man in that white house. Okay. I believed it too. Well, considering in 250 years, we've only had one.

Da-da, again. Again, that's one of those moments. God damn here, so we can shut you all up. Yeah. Come on, man. Because if you think about the Ocho, they always go back back. You had a black president two terms.

Well, we've had 45 white people. president is. Um, listen, if someone continuously shows me continuously over and over and over and over,

we don't want you in these positions. And when they do give you the opportunity to be in those said positions, it's always on the team. You're going to the jazz, you go to the Arizona that don't have a quarterback. You go in places that don't have a quarterback and they know you cannot wear long term without a

quarterback. Look at Steve Wilkes. Listen. Look at David Cully. David Cully got the job for six months at Houston, Texas. Now they have since, D'Amico, and D'emico's done an unbelievable job, D'emico has a quarterback. Look at Steve Wilkes. Terrible quarterback fired after

one year. Now they bring it Cliff Kingsbury. He gets Calimer. He's able to stay two, three, four years, whatever the case may be. So without a quarterback, you're not winning. I don't give a damn black, white, yellow, purple, Lebanese, Haitian, Don't matter.

It doesn't matter. And listen, I, I love fighting a good fight. I always have. I love fighting a good fight because I've had to fight it as well. But I was able to mars to beat my own drum. You know, and I understand the power dynamic when those who do the hiring is none of us, it's none of us in there. Right. They're not like-minded like us.

They don't see what we see. They view it and are more comfortable going with those that look like. them. It has always been like that and it will always be like that. And I just don't like the fact that we we cry and we holler every time my hiring cycle comes around and say, oh, none of us got hired. Well, no fucking shit. They don't want us in those positions. Well, we're not in a position. First of all, there are not a lot of us in the position of hiring the head coach. Can that's your question? Yes. How many of us are owners? None. How many of us are in positions to do the hiring in general?

I mean, I'm trying to think maybe the guy, Detroit, maybe the guy Ryan Poles in Chicago. I'm trying to think of black gems. Holmes, I think Holmes is the guy in Detroit. Poles is the guy in Chicago. Off the top of my head, Ocho, I can't think of any others. uh, Mensa got relieved of his duties.

So I, I, I, I, I can't. I can't. I can't. But we ain't giving up,

Ocho. No, no, no, you know, I mean, we, hey, hold on,

hold on, hold on, listen, you don't have to give up. Because they're going, listen, every blue moon, they're going to be,

they're going to give you a, well, damn, here you go. Every blue moon, just to shut everybody up. And that's what they continue, that's what they continuously do. Damn,

here y'all go, shut up. that's what they do every time. And we fall for and we fall for every time. And we talk for it every time. Who? Andrew Barry in Cleveland.

Ah. I mean, look, I get it. It's just tough when you talk about a league that's 70% I think the NBA, the NBA, you see a lot of black coaches.

It's always been that way. Oh, that's a different ball game over there. That's a completely different ball game over there. the NBA. Do you think it would ever look like the NBA would ever look like the inner? Absolutely not because those who are in positions to do the hiring are hiring those like them. And matter of fact, what happens is when their coaches get fired, you're always going to have a job somewhere else. Always. Once you come from that tree, if the branch breaks, you're good. I got you. Look at it. Look, it's been going on the same exact way. Coaches that have had no success in other places.

get a job like this right away. They do. Right away. They do. Right away. And the black coaches that have had constant success, look at the team that they had at their disposal. Mike Tomlin, 18, 19 years.

He probably could have had some more years. If he could have parlayed like, okay, Rothensberger, Rothensburg is getting old, not caring about upsetting Rothenberger. And having a quarterback in place I think Green Bay gave you the perfect example. You can't be afraid to piss off because, okay,

if I don't piss off Brett Farb and I don't draft Aaron Rogers, I'm in purgatory. Yeah. No, I ain't in purgatory. I'm in hell. Pergatory is in between heaven and hell. You're in hell. Yeah.

But guess what? You piss off Brett Farb and you draft Aaron Rogers and now you got a bridge for 18 years. Right. Okay. You piss off Aaron Rogers and you draft Jordan Love. Now you got a bridge. Mm-hmm.

They didn't do that in Pittsburgh. Yeah. And they tried to piece it with, with, with, uh, a, uh,

a, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,

and, and, and, and, and, just not gonna work, man. Yeah.

I mean, it's, it's, it's hard. I love, I love, I love, I love that we,

we, we want us in positions of power. I love that we want us being leaders of men and being head coaches the football teams. But the situations that they give us, the opportunities that they give us, give us are not ideal they're not ideal and most of the time your lease is short maybe two maybe three years at most at best and after that eh that's it that that's it yeah i agree i agree you're not you're not going to get anything but also we can't give up oh no i'm i'm i just

say i didn't say give up i'm just telling you the bullshit they're doing and they're doing it right in our face. Yeah. They got all these, they listen, they got all these rules in place and all this, all this performative bull jive that make it seem like they really, come on, man. Aren't they playing right in our face? Ah, well, we have rules set in place. Well, we, we, we, we, we, we interviewed him.

You know, he just wasn't qualified for us to get the, most of the time, we overqualified for the job and they still going to hire their friend anyway. True. Somebody. At that point, it's all on who you know. Right. But, but that's the thing. Like for the Cowboys, I ain't even going there.

Jerry ain't put no black man in no head coach. So I ain't even going to there. He tried to have Marvin Lewis coming there. He knows that. I mean, just, just to meet the Rooney Rule. He ain't going to hire no Marvin Lewis. He ain't hired no black guy. Not.

So I ain't even interviewing for that one, unless you want a free trip. You want a free trip on the private jet and go to see Dallas. You got some relatives in Dallas. Hey, I'm coming in. I'm going to interview for the cowboy job. hey, let's go to dinner, so forth and so on.

But other than that, I'm not interviewing, no, Dallas. Oh, I really can't say what I want to say. And I love topics like this. I really do. And most of the time you think, you know, I play around a lot. I entertain. I have jokes. I make fun of a lot of stuff.

But you can tell what my voice and my tone is I hate the game that they play. And the fact that people can't see the game that they play instead of peeling back all the layers on how they do us. purposely you know what you don't know worry about it I want to piss off

the wrong people hey it's just all it's all a game huh it's all a game and I'm not sure how we can't see it

we continue arguing and then you say oh Ocho you are the problem no I'm not the fucking problem because I'm not in position to be doing the goddamn hiring because I don't know we might be

we are the problem because we keep bringing it up we're just not in a position to be the solution that I and y'all keep talking about oh qualified qualified qualified qualified.

I don't know if y'all noticed, but there's a lot of people that's important positions today that's running a lot of stuff that ain't qualified, ain't nearly qualified. And let me ask you a question. And how are they getting those jobs? Mm-hmm.

Come on, man. Come on now. Yeah. Come on now. The people that I knew, yes, it's easy. As A, did I think Aske did you do the job? Yes.

Was this job ever open to anybody else? No. No. It wasn't. I didn't see it inside to you. CJ, my producer at Club Sheesh. I knew CJ. I worked with CJ and Fox.

Was that job open to anyone else? No. That's how it works. 85% of the jobs are never listed. Hey, Ojo, man, they've got a job opening over here. You know somebody looking for a job? Yeah, not that you mentioned, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Help me give me a call. Hey. 48, it's all the game, man. Yeah. It's all the game. And some, look. Stigatz here. I have a podcast empire that I have brought here to IHeart.

And I'm also hosting a daily live radio show from 3 to 5 p.m. Eastern called Stegots & Company Live, which is available in podcast form, right when the show finishes every single day. You can expect a lot of laughter, great guests, a ton of calls, and a lot of fun. Listen to Stugats and Company. live and our original podcast, Stu Gatson Company, and God Bless Football, and you can check all of those out on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This show contains information subject to, but not limited to personal takes,

rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This is your boy, Nalm Green, from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season, the playoffs of here. Guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcasts, with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network.

Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs. The Chief. It's time to rebuild. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. And I get it. Oh Joe, we had the situation last year

and you and I, we both felt bad for Geron Mayo. But I said, given the choice, Geron Mayo or Mike Brable, you're hiring Mike Brable. You just are. I mean, look, now he's going to get paid. I mean, I don't know. I think he signed a five-year deal, so he's going to get his money for the next five years.

If I'm him, I ain't, I'm done coaching. All my staff, hey, y'all can find your job if you want to, but I ain't. I'm going to haul up in a raise these kids. Philip Rivers. Like I said, I mean, Philip Rivers never caught. Philip Rivers got an interview with the Buffalo Bills. The Buffalo Bills.

Didn't buy Will Liff's coached football team? team. Call the plays. Didn't Byron Lefwich coach a Super Bowl winning team? He did. But Philip Rivers got off the couch from coaching the high school team,

came in, played a few games, heard himself, and when the season ended, he still got an interview with who? The Buffalo Bills. Man, it's a game, man. I mean, how, are y'all, are you,

are we paying? Let me get a written. Let me, let me get them. And what did a year, it was a year after he had called plays for the Super Bowl winning team, he was, he wasn't even the offensive

coordinator no more. He was out of the league. If I'm not mistaken, he's on time, staff and see you. It's right there in your face. It's right there in your face. They keep playing the game and we keep falling for it with the same rhetoric every time a hiring cycle comes

along. Oh, they didn't hire none. Let me grab a redboard, please. Hey, y'all keep feeling. I just want to know, do y'all think that a guy that's never called plays that's never coach that looks like

Ocho and I will get an opportunity for a head coaching interview in the NFL. Oh, keep fighting, keep fighting, keep fighting, keep fighting, keep fighting, I want to tell me, do y'all think someone that looks like Ocho and I that's never called plays in the NFL, never called at the collegiate level, we're coaching high school football, would get an opportunity to go interview for head coaching job in the NFL. They're playing the game right in your face. Let me just ask you.

It's just so simple. Yes or simple, no. Like, come on, man. And Phillip Rivers might be qualified. But somebody might be qualified, but if you don't give them an opportunity, you won't ever know. That's what we're saying.

I remember, you know, the league wouldn't let people like, Ocho and I in. Mm. They couldn't think and they couldn't do this. First of all, you couldn't play center position, you can play a running back, you could be a wide receiver, you could be a DB, but you couldn't play center because you had to make the line called you couldn't play quarterback. That was forgiven. Think about how many guys were quarterbacks in college and they had

to trade, they had to move to wire receiver, running back or DB. It wasn't until, it wasn't until Doug Williams won the super, they're like, well, hold on. You mean to tell me they can win the Super Bowl? I better go get me one. That's how it's copycat league, Ocho. And then you start seeing it happen with greater regularity. Right. Russ, win. and my homeboy win two or three. Jalen Hurts winning. Like, well, damn, okay, we might be owned to something. Now we have more black starting quarterbacks in the NFL

than at any point in time in the history of the NFL. Mm-hmm. All because why? Someone gave one an opportunity. Unity, yeah. I'm not saying you got to make special provisions. No. No.

Just give me a chance. Yep. And the game itself is evolved and more suited to those that are a little bit more athletic to those that a little bit more that are dual threats you know so again that's another reason why more opportunities are being suited in case for those that look like us but they're talking about own something man you're going to have to like on i don't know who i well you're going to have i mean the the uh the the the seahawks are probably going to sell for seven seven and a half billion dollars we maybe even eight so you're going to have to you're going to have to look you're

have to get a lot of people. Oprah, Robert Smith, Jay-Z. You're going to have to get some people to A. What y'all try to do? Because the price is not coming down, Ocho.

I mean, seven and a half. I mean, the Washington Command has just sold for $6 billion. That was two years ago. Now the price is about to be seven, seven and a half, maybe even eight in two years. Yeah. It's a different game.

Stephen Ross says, Someone offered him $15 billion for the dolphins. He said, no bueno. Yes. No bueno. Because the NFL teams print money. They print money. Stigatz here.

I have a podcast empire that I have brought here to IHeart, and I'm also hosting a daily live radio show from 3 to 5 p.m. Eastern called Stigots and Company Live, which is available in podcast form, right when the show finishes every single day. You can expect a lot of laughter. great guest, a ton of calls, and a lot of fun. Listen to Stugats & Company Live and our original podcast,

Stugats & Company, and God Bless Football, and you can check all of those out on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This show contains information subject to, but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man, this is your boy, Nal Green, from the Broken Play podcast. Look, it's the end of the season, the playoffs of here. Guess what?

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