Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Grizzlies beat the Mavericks to become the 8 seed, & Miami wins a thriller in Atlanta to face Cleveland in the first round!

Episode Date: April 19, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson & Mitch Richmond react to the Grizzlies beat Mavericks to become the 8th seed in the west, the Heat win a thriller in Atlanta to play Cleveland in the first round, & Antman is excited to play LeBron in the first round!07:33 - Mavs v Grizz23:00 - Mavs drama32:20 - Heat win41:10 - Luka’s Dallas video package55:30 - Antman relishes playing Lebron1:02:30 - Dame Lillard1:06:35 - John Salley said NBA banned all NBA footage(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Boy, AD came to play tonight. Rich, I know you watched this game, Mitch. AD came to play. P.J. Washington played 27 minutes. He and I had the same number of points. I was on a flight. Zero. Derek Lively played 20 minutes.

Derek Lively II played 20 minutes. He also had the same number of points that I had. And you had, Rich, Mitch, and you had, Ocho. Zero points. Martin, Caleb Martin, he played 11 minutes. I I scored him we both had zero points Vincent didn't wait he didn't get in a whole lot he played four minutes zero points yeah Dante Exum he played 13 minutes he had three more points than a 57 year old with two replay fields you're not gonna win when you get that kind of production.

When you get two starters, Mitch, and you know this, you get two starters and they play 20-plus minutes and you think you're going to be the team on their home court, that's not going to happen. What did you like about what you saw from Memphis tonight, Mitch, and what didn't you like about what you saw from the Dallas Mavericks? Well, for Dallas, I don't think everyone came to play for sure. We just mentioned that.

And Davis did need a lot of help today. He should have – I mean, I think if he'd have had Kyrie, it would have looked a lot better. But they didn't have anyone that could really kind of take anybody off the dribble other than Williams, the point guard that comes off the bench. Right. So they had a lot of trouble just really kind of creating their own shots. And Anthony Davis is the best at creating his shot for one of the biggest

man that's in the game. But for the Memphis Grizzlies, man, I like what I saw. You know, they had a balanced scoring. Yes. Somebody came to play. And I'm looking forward to this next series because they match up very well with OKC. But OKC, you know, has been the team all year. So it's going to be how they play.

When you look at this, and I agree with you, I think they match up because they got a big Zach Eady goes 7-4. You got Jaron Jackson. So when they put their two bigs out there, Hartenstein and Chad Holmgren, you got a great matchup. The question is, can Zach Eady go outside and defend at the paint? Because Chad Holmgren is going to spend a lot of time. He's going to drag him out the deep. So if I'm thinking, I'm going to put ZD on Hartenstein, because I know Hartenstein is no threat for him to shoot no three-point shots. I ain't worried about him.

I'm going to put Jaron Jackson on Chet Holmgren because he can slide better, he's more mobile, he's more agile, and he's a threat on the offensive end because I got to take some of that zap out of him on the defensive end by making him play defense so his offense suffer as they go there. But I agree

with you. When you look at the balance score and you had three guys that gave you at least 20 in your starting lineup. Six guys played double figures and they didn't play a whole lot of minutes. Jared Jackson played the most minutes. 36. All the rest of the guys, 32, 33, 33, 30.

So there's not a whole lot of exertion going on. I don't know when they play. When is the game? Sunday or Monday? Sunday. So they got a quick turnaround. But hey, I'm in the playoffs. I like Monday? Sunday. So they got a quick turnaround. Yes. But, hey, I'm in the playoffs. I like this matchup.

Ocho, you watching this game? What'd you like? What'd you think about what you saw from the Grizzlies? Well, listen, from the Grizzlies, they played really well. Bane, phenomenal. Jabberon, we're going to do what Jab does. Everybody else, collectively as a group, everybody contributed. Everybody scored.

On the other side of it, again, again, it makes Nico look ridiculous. Now, I understand Davis, I mean, Anthony Davis had the game of his life. He had 21, 20-some points at the half, had 40 at one point. I think it might have been the third or the fourth quarter, but nobody else showed up. PJ had a donut at the half. Klay Thompson really wasn't getting any shots in the first half. He showed up a little bit in the second half, you know,

creating shots, doing what he does down in the post, in the block. But still, nobody else showed up for the Mavericks. Anthony Davis obviously having to be hero with no help tonight is why they lost the game. Yeah, he gave you 49-2 or a steal in the block. And that's what's most disappointing. I think AD acquitted himself very well. But there's nobody surprised by AD playing like this.

I don't care if Jaron Jackson was a defensive player of the year. AD going to score on anybody. We've seen him against some of the best, be it Nikola Jokic, be it against Giannis, be it against Joel Embiid. Anthony Davis, this is what frustrates people about him, Mitch, is that we see him give Joel Embiid a 40-piece. We see him drop 40 on Jokic. We see him give 30, 40 to Giannis.

And then all of a sudden he'll come up and play a game where he have nine points and eight rebounds. And we're like, what the hell, AD? I'm not surprised that AD had a 49-2 game. Nobody should be. Because he's that good. The problem is he's not consistent as he should be given his ability. He can put the ball on the floor.

He can finish at the rim. He can play with his back to the rim. He's a three level. He got a mid-range. He can shoot the three. Now, he's not great at it, but he can get to the free throw line. That's what is sometimes frustrating about AD is because you see what he's capable of when he comes to play. Go ahead, Ocho.

Well, listen, listen, I'm not a professional basketball player, but I do got eyes and I do have common sense. AD didn't have a choice but to play like this tonight, huh? The nights when he does have nine points, he has help. He has help to make up for the production that he doesn't have on those nights that he's off. Now, a night like this, when nobody else is helping and scoring and putting the goddamn ball in the hoop,

he don't have no choice but to have a night like this. And he's one of the few players in the NBA that can take over a game that's a three-level score. He can shoot from three. He's not that-level score. He can shoot from three. He's not that high of a fish. He ain't no goddamn Steph Curry. He got mid-20s. He can take the head down in the block, too, whatever he want to do.

So in order for them to have any type of consistency until they get the big dog back, and this is what we talk about next year, Kyrie coming back and obviously have some other help collectively, it's going to be a long time before grace is given to management for the choices and decisions that they made in shipping Luke out. Could you imagine how in the hell we ship Luke out based on some stuff that had nothing to do with off the court. And the stuff that he does on the court is going to continue to show up for the next decade somewhere else when it could have been us, when he just took us to the goddamn finals last year.

Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, I think what we talk about AD, man, AD is the first ballot hall of fame and no doubt about it. But I think we always see that some,

some of those games where he should be demanding the balls. We saw a lot of the later where he started out very well, but he just flowed through the whole game and without even asking demanding the balls. We saw a lot of the later games where he started out very well, but he just flowed through the whole game without even asking for the ball. And I think sometimes we need to see that toughness of him to just say, hey, man, give me the goddamn ball. But he never, never does that. And so he just flowed through the game sometimes, and then you forget about that he's on the court.

Yeah, when you have a guy that kind of skill level. Yes. Because AD, people don't realize, AD, he's 6'10 1⁄2". He can put the ball on the floor. He can handle the ball. He can play with his back to the basket. That's what, he likes to play. See, he's in a perfect situation.

He's in a much better situation in Dallas than he is, than he was in L.A. Because they didn't have big, if you go back and look at AD, when he played his best, what did they have around him, Mitch? They had JaVale McGee. They had Dwight Howard. So he basically played for the entire game except the last five minutes of the fourth quarter,

he played the four. Now the last five minutes of the fourth quarter, he's playing the five. Go back and look at his stats, his first year there. That was his best year statistically. Led the team in scoring, led the team in rebounding because you got three bigs.

He could always play the four until the final five minutes of the ball game, and then he'd slide to the five, which he didn't have a problem with. Now, he goes to Dallas. What do they have? Derek Lively II.

AD can play the four. Daniel Gively II, AD can play the four. Daniel Gafford, he can play the four. Powell, he can play the four. You see? So in a situation, theoretically, Ocho, he's better in Dallas than he was in L.A. because they got bigs around him so he can play his natural position, a position that he feels most comfortable playing because he's made it abundantly clear. He said, go back and look at me when I was in New Orleans, when we had Boogie, and I could play the four, look at my numbers.

And he ain't lying. Yeah, but I think at times, though, like you said, he's better at the five, though. When you have shooters around him, he's a better team at the five though once you try when you have shooters around him yes but he's a they're a better team at the five because sometimes he falls in love with the outside game yeah you know assert himself like when he's a big man when they want him to play big man and we know when he first came in the league ad was a runner yes he used to be the big man down the floor. So when he played the five, he drove the big man crazy. AD don't run no more. You see that.

He jogs down. You know, he's into his little steps. But this guy is so efficient. When he gets the ball, he makes the play. And the one thing I do like about him is he plays at other end. He blocks shots. Yeah. He's an all-ball defender.

He's a weak side. He's an all-ball defender. He's held weak side. He does a lot of different things. But, Mitch, here's the thing, though, is that when you look at AD, and every once in a while, he'll get that early leak out. He'll get the guy on his back. They throw the ball down,

and he'll get down there. But, see, the problem with him playing the five, AD don't want to bang. No, he don't want to do none of that. You see the tip-top? You play the five you play the five bitch you got the bang right but but who really but but oh who really banging chad who really banging see matter of fact that's what i was raising my hand i'm raising my hand i gotta

i gotta raise my hand like i'm in class you know like i'm a student so i was just getting ready to ask you yeah is it better does he like being in the five for the simple fact that the game has changed? Right. The game has changed. They're not really down there banging like that as opposed to how they used to be back in the day. Right. When you get your points, you got your big man down in the box. He posts up and you get in the ball.

Right. The game of basketball has changed from that, you know, where he feels comfortable being at the five. Right. If you want to come out, you come out and fake it up or take somebody off the dribble and do what you need to do right yeah we got to remember when when when Anthony Davis was in high school he was a point guard he was yes he tall he grew 11 inches or whatever he did he became a center and so he wants to be out on the perimeter at times. You know, I think a lot of big guys see Kevin Durant, and they want to mimic that type of play because Kevin Durant is 6'11".

He can do it all. And they mimic, they want to see that right there. They see themselves doing that. Even Boogie Cousins. Boogie Cousins wanted to get out on the perimeter a little bit. Right. Even Shaq wanted to get out on the perimeter and do his thing and show what he can do.

And that's the thing, because AD is looking at it like, man, I get injured the most when I'm playing the five because of all that banging. I'm stumbling over people. They banging on me. I don't have that kind of oomph in my body. And like you said,

there ain't a whole lot of guys that he got to bang with. You got to bang with Joel Embiid. You got to bang with Jokic. But those are really the only centers. Every once in a while, you'll bump into Sabonis. But Sabonis ain't really no – I mean, he crafty. But he ain't really going to get you no 30 like a Jokic. He ain't 30, 40, even 50 on you.

Same with Joel Embiid. Giannis is a guy that's looking to run. Giannis is looking for cracks. He's going to try to slither his way through the crack, Eurostepia, and get to the thing.

But AD has made it up in his mind that I need to be at the four. And they know you're not going to be at this point in time, 12, 13 years in, Mitch. You're not going to convince him

that you're better at the five. Right. No, no question about it. And we look at the centers today. The centers don't run down and post up in the middle of the paint. Maybe E.V. He's probably the only one. Yeah.

Centers now, they really create the offense. They at the top of the key. They either do a handoff. They're setting the pick at the top so they can dive. But they never really running down the lane and getting to the middle of the basket and using those easy baskets. They want to be on the perimeter so the game truly has changed.

Could you go back and look at study Shaq? When Shaq say Shaq's first eight years, look how Shaq was the first one down the court. Every time. He was slim though when he was in Orlando. He was running straight to the front of the rim. They were going to throw it into him.

He was going to drop step, and he was going to put everybody in the basket. That's right. And you just hope he didn't pull it down on your head. Yeah. That was the thing. So the Memphis Grizzlies, they defeat the Dallas Mavericks 120-106. They advance. They 8 8C.

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mav ceo compares the monte ellis for andrew bogut uh no that that's not it completely turnedirk Nowitzki completely turned off by the Mavs. Mavs lose to the Grizzlies in the play-in one year after making the NBA Finals. Mitch, this is what I said. Yeah. I understand. Look, I understand, Nico.

It's kind of like Ocho in our situation, Roger Goodell. Roger Goodell don't make no rules. Those are the owners. Now, he get all the blowback, but that's why he makes $60 million. Because every time he comes up there, Ocho, to read a card, what do the fans do? Boo! They show his picture on the Jumbotron

wherever he's at. What do the fans do, Ocho? Boo! No question. Nico Harrison, you know this, Mitch, being around the game as long as you had. General managers can't make a move like this. This is ownership saying trade Luca. We're not trying to get up off for $350 million over 70 years.

No question. And when you're a GM, you know, you have to take that hit because the owner is going to put it on you, even though that he's making the decisions. And when you make a big decisions of trade and Luca, you know, you had to talk to someone and someone had to pull that trigger.

And so that I truly think it wasn't just Nico. Nico had to take the hit and he had to double down again, that it was my choice. And I know he's getting a lot of heat for him. He's a good man, but man, they are on him for this. No question.

Mitch, I'm glad they are on him for this one. No question about it. Mitch, I'm glad you're on here. Maybe you can give me a better perspective outside the perspective that I've already heard from analysts, from punters, from Hunk, from everybody else that's been on the show, but I want to hear from your mouth for someone who's played the game for a very long time at a high level.

If you were management, if you were a GMm yes would you let someone like luca go based on what he's done in such a short amount of time understanding what he does for your team based on the the things they said that worry them right paying him long-term money because he drank beer and smoked hook Yeah, you know, this is a tough one because Luka is, he was Dallas, he was the Dallas City. Yes. The homegrown.

He was homegrown. He got that city back when Durkin and Whiskey took him to the championship and won. So for me, I think, you know, as a general manager, sometimes you have to have a little pushback too as well. It's like, hey, man, this is going to be tough, man, to even pull this off. Maybe we need to get

five or six guys for Luka because if you'd have put him on the, if you'd have put him out there and said that you were trying to trade him, you would have got five or six guys back.

Maybe it would have made the deal look even better. And we're sitting here talking about like Luka went for a bomb. He went for one of the best players of the league in yes in ad and we still say it that wasn't a good trade you know what i mean so this is a tough one man and it may it propelled lakers i don't you know propelled lakers for

some reason failed them up and they looking like a totally totally different team than they did yeah well in a funny thing on when you think about it too, totally different team than they did. Yeah. Well, in a funny way. Yeah. And the funny thing, when you think about it too, Mitch, let's say they did put him out there on the market, right? Right. And they did get AD for him for the trade. But let's say it was a market and all teams were available. Right.

What five or six players are you going to get that's going to be equivalent to that one when he does go somewhere else? Right, right. And the ones who are just as good enough, they're not letting them go from the team that they own because that's their team's identity. Yes. Well, look at it like this, Ocho. When the Clippers traded Shea for Paul George, do they think Shea was going to be this? No, absolutely not. Or they would have never traded him. Because they wouldn't have pulled the trigger. So you don't know. That's right. for Paul George, do they think Shea was going to be this? No, absolutely not.

Because they wouldn't have pulled the trigger. So you don't know. That's right. And plus, they got draft compensation. I think the thing is, okay, you get AD, you get Max Christie. Mikael Bridges went for four first-round picks. Rudy Gobert went for players and four first-round picks. You get AD, Max Christie, and one first-rounder?

I think that's where people are saying, hold on, wait a minute. Hey, this thing had the job. But that tells you right there that it wasn't just Nico's decision at that particular time. No, it wasn't. Yeah, Nico being a general manager, he's looking for assets. He's looking for something to get back my player. I want to have something so I can see in the future. Kind of like what OKC has been doing for years.

Yes. You know, they're packing those first-round picks. They're getting second-round picks. They're creating and they're building a team as each year goes. So you know it had to be the owner's choice. Of course. The Alderson family purchased it. I think the son-in-law runs it, Josh Dumont.

You look at what OKC did, Ocho, when they traded Russ. Yes. Patrick Dumont. They got first-round picks. They got assets. When they traded Paul George, they got Shea Gilgis. They got Gallinari. And they got pick swaps.

And they got first-round picks unprotected. So now Shea Gilgis, they got Gallinari, and they got pick swaps, and they got first-round picks unprotected. So now, Shea turns into what he turns into. Now, the one thing we can say about Sam Preston, he know how to draft. He drafted KD, he drafted Westbrook, and he drafted James Harden. All of those

players are top 75 players of all time. All players have won MVPs. So he knows how to draft. Right. Jalen Williams. Boom. And he's wheeling and dealing.

He gets a Caruso. He trades for a Lou Dort. You see now, he gets a Hartenstein. He drafts Chet Holmgren. Right. So obviously he Chet Holmgren. Right. So, obviously, he knows what he's doing. And I think the thing is, it's reported. We don't know if it's being reported.

They reached out to Minnesota. Would you take Luca for Anthony Davis? Click. They reached out to Milwaukee. You mean Anthony Edwards. Anthony Edwards. Excuse me. Anthony Edwards.

That man. They reached out to, hey, Minnesota, what about Luca for Ant? Clint. Okay, they called Milwaukee. Hey, guys, what about Giannis for Luca? Clint. So now, because the more you call around, it's going to get out, Mitch. This ain't got to be secretive-secretive.

It's got to be hush-hush. See what I just said though look at the names you just called they are the team's identity and heartbeat yes they ain't letting them they ain't letting them go so when when Mitch say you know okay we put them on the market for five or six

players well the five or six you're gonna get it's still probably gonna be equivalent the goddamn AD coming over there right now maybe hey maybe you go to Phoenix. Hey, what about KD? They don't really have a whole lot because they gave up so much to get KD. Because, see, you got to scan around. So, look, the best player that they probably could have gotten,

Boston's not trading you Jason Tatum. So don't even call them. Right. You can't get Booker. So basically, okay, Ant-Man, no. Giannis, no. You're not getting Jokic from the Nuggets. Who can we get?

Yeah. And I've got a personal relationship with Rob Palenka. Hey Rob, now Rob's going to keep it hush hush because he really want this thing to go through because now we got the bridge for the next decade where LeBron stepped, whenever that is after 23, after 24,

after 25, 25th season, we got a bridge for the next decade. No question. No question. But for me, look, you can beat Nico up all you want to. He's low-hanging fruit. And help me say, hey, I'd have told the ownership, they'd say,

hey, you see that check? It got your name on it. Now, if you still want this check to have your name on it tomorrow, you'll make the change. I mean, we can say what we want when we're over here right now. But I think Nico had to make a conscious decision. You know what I mean? He's in a job.

He's still doing his job. And if the owners, he got to understand, he got to speak. If his owners say that they want to make this trade, you can argue all you want. You can put your points up. But at the end of the day, hey, I got to do it. And you got to pull the trigger yeah and luca going to the lakers you know probably any other team he probably would have still been out of shape you know what i mean yeah going to the lakers it really like now you with lebron now you know you know how to get in shape you know you want to show dallas that hey

man y'all made a terrible choice oh yes, yes. It's getting himself back in shape. He's in better shape than he first got there. So that team, I mean, it looks going to be difficult in the playoffs because they set up very well in the bracket right now. They don't have to face Denver early. You know what I mean? So they set up very well. And the early game, the heat regrouped

after losing an early lead they beat the heat okay i just want to okay i just want you i want you to keep that same minute you had when you and iso joe was on here talking about he was finna lose okay but go ahead i'm gonna let you finish my bag. The Heat regroup. They beat the Hawks in overtime, 123-114. Tyler Hero was on one again. 30 points, sank two big threes in overtime. Let me get this. He was, you know, he scored 30. I think he scored 38 the first game when they beat Chicago.

He backed it up with another 30-point game. He got 20 points from Andrew Wiggins. He got 17 and 11 from Bam. He got 12 points from a high slip off the bench. And they got 16 from Davion Mitchell. He played 40 minutes, did a great job. Trey Young did have 29 points and 11 assists, but it took him 22 shots. So that's what you want to do with a score.

Look, I'm not saying I'm going to shut you down, but I'm going to make you as least as inefficient as I possibly can. So if you get 29 shots and I force you to take 22 shots to get them, you got to live with that, Mitch. Yeah, yeah. You know, you got

to be proud of Donovan Mitchell, man. He's just been all of that, man. He's got an opportunity now in Miami to play some minutes, to play some solid minutes. He plays it hard, bro. Yes. Works out hard. I've seen him in the summertime with what he does.

The guy works out hard, and he demands on that defensive end that you give him respect. Now he's hitting a three-point shot. So I'm so happy for him to get an opportunity, man, to play and show that he can play in this league and play big minutes. Yeah. Matter of fact, hey, Brother Mitchell, I know you're going to see this.

I want to say I salute you. I love you. I appreciate you for backing me on Unc. And I saw Joe who said we didn't have a chance against the Hawks. I appreciate you the fact that you played both ends of the course and you showed out tonight. Boy, I'm going to be that court side. You hear me? I'm going to be that court side. Tyler Hero, thank

you for everybody that didn't believe in us. Now, I told people earlier and they're probably going to laugh at me again and say oh, I'm a casual fan. I don't even watch basketball. But when we come out the East, when we come out the East, I want everybody to remember, oh, I'm a casual fan. I don't even watch basketball. But when we come out the East, when we come out the East, I want everybody to remember, oh, I'm going to keep the same energy up, keep the same

energy. You must be on an airplane. That's the only way y'all coming out the East on a plane. Y'all not going to beat them teams in the East and come up out the East. Hold on, hold on. We got the number one seed, right? We got the number one seed, right? We got the Cavs, huh? You got the Cavs. Y'all playing the number one seed. Y'all ain't got the number one seed. Y? We got the number one seed, right? We got the Cavs, huh? You got the Cavs. Y'all playing the number one seed.

Y'all ain't got the number one seed. No. Y'all is number eight. No. I know we ain't got the number one seed. I'm saying we playing. I'm saying we playing the number one seed. I did.

I did. So what's going on? I got a question for you, Mitch. Yes. And for the chat, too. What's going to happen? And don't try to say it was a surprise. Don't try to say it was upset.

What's going to happen when he eliminate the Cavs in the seven-game series? I mean, we got to say this. What y'all going to say then? No, no, we can't say nothing. If they upset the Cavs, then we got to give them some... Time out, time out, time out. It's not going to be an upset. Okay. Listen, before the playoffs started,

before the playing started, I said, once the Heat made it, we coming out the East. But that is an upset. That's an upset, Ocho. If the Miami the East. But that is an upset. That's an upset, Ocho. I don't know. Cleveland, that's an upset. Come on. Listen, I respect Brother Donovan Mitchell.

I respect Garland. I respect the boys out there, but it's not going to be an upset. I told you it was going to happen before it happened, so it's not an upset. All right. All right. You got you. All right. You got something to say?

No. Davion Mitchell played really well. He grew up near my hometown. He's from Liberty County. Fort Stewart, the Army base, is close by. But he played really well. He played outstanding defense. He shot the three ball well.

He's 4'9 from the three. You know, again, the number two pick in the draft, how you say his name? Richard? Richard? For the Hawks? Yeah.

He had three points. He had three points. Richard? He had three points. And he played 16 minutes. So that tells me that Snynyder was like bro i see you ain't got it tonight let me get you on the bench because uh george miang played 26 minutes carol caris lebert 37 minutes uh terrence mann 25 minutes so and the uh the other guy played 15

minutes so and they had six points between them so So that lets me know that Snyder knew early on that they didn't have it, and he tried to get some guys in there that could give him some production. So that's why you see your bench players play way more than you started. They only played 16 minutes, and this is a 53-minute game. So when you look at it, they did not play a lot. No. But what do you like about, what is it about the Heat that they find a way, they always do, find ways to summons up.

They tough. And get a win. They tough. They tough because they jumped out on Atlanta playing great team defense. And, you know, Tyler Hero, I mean, he is tough. You know, he got a little frame on him, but he doesn't take any smack. When you got Mitchell at the point guard and you got those guys playing hard at Bama and Bayou

and you got Pat Riley in that locker room as well as Spolstra, they demand you to play on the defensive end. And if we're going to lose, we're going to put it all out there. And they do that every night. Hey, Hunk. Yes. You want to know what's special about the Heat? What's special about them, Mocho? We talk about hard-nosed basketball, Hunk.

It ain't pretty. We're going to put our hard hat on. We're going to put our hard hat on. We're going to put our Tims on. We're going to put on our utility belt. Ain't nobody out there flashy. We ain't got no super-duper superstars. No, you don't. We got Tyler.

We got a good supporting cast. And we're going to go out there and play basketball on both ends of the court. Yeah. On both ends. And that's what you're going to get. Night in and night out.

I agree. Now, when we go to Cleveland and we give Cleveland that belt to ass and they come to Miami. Wow. And they get that belt to ass again. And then everybody going to be like, oh, I can't believe it happened. Why can't you believe it? It's what we've always done. I know we lost Jimmy Butler.

I know we lost Jimmy Butler. but the team morale is still there. Mitchell picks up for what we lost in Jimmy Butler. Tyler Hero is picking up with two 30-point gains back-to-back. Bam, going to be bam. And everybody else going to fit in where they fit in, and we're going to make it happen. Anybody in the chat that's laughing or saying, I don't know what I'm talking about, oh, you don't know basketball,

bet me. Bet me. Those bigs are going to be very interesting because the backcourt is sensational with Garland and Mitchell. You've got the two bigs, Evan Mobley, who's a defensive player to your candidate. You've got another rim protector, a guy can defend, Jared Allen. Jared Allen is a guy you don't have

to run plays for you can run a he'll lob threat and you're gonna get it off the rim hey bro you want 12 points hey roll to the rim and get it off the rim and don't get back home that that that's that's your that's your outfit that's the place we run for you evan mobley we know what he is he's a tremendous defender and he can go get you 20 points and double-digit rebounds. Those two backcourts, that's what the Cavaliers are. They're backcourt. They made the trade for

DeAndre Hunter. They got Ty Jerome. They got guys that can punish you when you try to help off on Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland. Yeah, they're a pretty solid team. If you look at them in the East, their makeup is kind of similar to OKC with the bigs.

They play two bigs. They're led by their backcourt. Yeah, exactly. But they don't shoot it outside, but they do pack the paint. And they play their big. They make you play their size. And so they're going to be big over Miami. So Miami really got to gut it out because they're going to be bigger.

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I like to get the center on me. JJ, well, he thinks there's not a person in the world that can guard him, so I think he takes that seriously, and that's the matchup. You know what? The thing is is that you think about Gobert, Mitch. Here's a guy that's won four defensive players of the year, and he becomes unplayable late in the ballgame. How are you a top-notch receiver?

And I got to take you off the field late in the ballgame. You're a top-notch running back, and I take you off the field late in the ballgame. He is a four-time defensive player of the year. And late in the ballgame,

Mitch, he's unplayable. You know what? Can I speak? I see this all the time. But I think they keep putting this all the time, but I think they keep putting them in the same position. They do a pick and roll

and it's really sometimes a lazy pick and the guy just goes and starts guarding the big and leave him out on the island with some of the best players in the game. You know, he cannot guard those guys. No.

He cannot guard them, so they have to find some way that these guys got to fight over the pick. And Gobert do not get an opportunity to even be on Luka at the end of the game, be on KD, be on these guys when he's playing. They got to fight through the pick and keep Gobert in the paint. Keep him in the paint.

Excuse me. Rudy Gobert, he's won defensive player four times, right? Yep. He's won those awards based on what he does inside the paint. Right. Yeah. Where is he a liability? Out there in space. Exactly.

Out there in space, so what are they going to do? They're going to pick him every time. Yes. Every time. Because guess what? Even if you try to, I'll just bring a shooter in the game. So if he stands ass in the paint, I'll shoot around threes on his ass. Yeah.

Right. Now, I'm going to keep picking because I'm going to bring him. Look, the guys are too good now. Right. It ain't like, you know, normally when you play, you have one guy that can really let it go. You have a guy that got hot. Those guys now, if you let them shoot around threes,

they're going to make you pay. So they can't hide him. It's just like your quarterback now, Ocho. You can't hide him. You remember before? You can hand the ball up to the running back. We had shooters. It was just a game.

The game is spread now. I don't want to disagree with you, Mitch, but on average, there are more shooters now than when you played. Well, how they play now, everyone is shooting threes. There's no question about it because I'm going to tell you why is that. Because sometimes in these games, you see two point guards in the game yes you know what i mean you see two point guards you see a three man playing the four so it looks like they're better shooters because you got small wings playing from one to five and so everybody has done spread it out no question

about it that day they take more threes than we do so the average is it out no question about it that they they take more threes than we do so the average is out and no question about that yes you got to understand how they're playing again they're playing five they sometimes they're playing five out but yes man four out they're playing they're playing Kyrie plays the two basically yes he plays the two all the way through the game so they're playing smalls only because we played at that Golden State. We played small ball. Well, we played one through four, one through five. Our center shot

threes. So we shot more threes than most teams in the league because of how we played. But yeah, I understand. Getting back to the point, I lost my thought now. Are you good? Can you jump down there and talk about... I jumped on you.

I jumped on you. I jumped on you. I jumped on you. I jumped on you. No question about it. But these guys now, because now they used to be a big. Yes. If you were 6'10", you played the center position. You were A.

All that, talking about you were big. The only, because that's what made Magic the anomaly. Because normally a 6'9 guy, you are a power forward or a center. Magic came in, you're a point guard. How your big ass going to play point? Well, that's what happened. And now you got guys like Jokic shooting threes. Joel Embiid shooting threes.

Anthony Davis shooting threes. Chet Wimby, seven threes and a half, seven four. Shooting threes. Man. And I got one more thing before you talk, Chico, Ocho. So, I'm sorry,

I said Ocho, but check this out. The bigs don't take advantage of their size. No. So, if Gobert's in the game and he is getting killed on the perimeter,

the first thing he should be doing is running and posting up under the basket. Sometimes he has a small on him. He does? They won't give him the ball. No question. He got to learn how to score in the paint. But he has to try to dunk

everything first. Dunk everything. You got to dunk everything first. I'm following his ass. Yeah. You got to. We don't put nobody. They don't put nobody

in foul trouble. So if a little guy guard me, I'm going right in the paint and I'm going straight up. They're going to file him. But they don't take

advantage of that. You know what I mean? I don't understand. Listen, I'm not a coach. I'm not a coach. But if I understand, even though he's a four-time MVP,

Divas MVP, if I know late in the game he's a liability, he has no quick-twitch fibers, why not just go small? Understanding that if they do get him out of space, they're going to pick him because they know they're going to have somebody that's smaller, and they're going to be able to create space every single time. Right. Because you don't have rep protection.

You know he's a liability at the end of the game. Take him out. Because they want that. If you get beat off the dribble, you got a four-time defensive player of the year to protect the rim. So that's what you want. Because now you take Rudy Gobert off, God beat you off the dribble, it's a layup.

That's why they keep him in the game. Hold on. They're keeping him in the game? Hey, Mitch. They're keeping him in the game. But he's never guarding the guy. Hey, Mitch. Right. They're keeping him in the game, right? But he's still a liability. So they run the plays to bring him outside the paint.

That's right. And on purpose. That's right. He had no choice but to come out. That's right. And he's doing the same thing every time. When Luka hit that shot, when he had to come out last year. Yes.

They ran the play on purpose. He made him come out of the paint. Yes. Right. Yeah, you keep, Mitch, it's the same thing they do with Luka.

Mm-hmm. They put Luka in the pick and roll because they know he can't defend. That's true. And if you go watch, they'll hunt him out.

Yeah. It's like, nope, I don't want him. Bring me Luka. Bring me Luka. Yeah. So, yeah, hey, if I get a fish,

I just can't let him get off the hook. I just got to bring him, I got to get him, I got to bring him to the boat. Right, right. That's the only thing, that I get a fish, I just can't let him get off the hook. I just got to bring him. I got to get him. I got to bring him to the boat. Right, right. That's the only thing. That's what we say, bitch.

If I got a fish on the line, hey, don't let him go. Yes, sir. Keep the line tight on your shoulder. Don't let it. Hey, don't let it. Don't give him no slack so he can shake it out of his mouth. Hold it right there where he is. Right.

And we're going to keep running it until they stop it. Yes, no question about it. But we always see ends up on luca he he ends up on those guards i don't know how it happened like yo i think they just got to continue to keep fighting through the pick you got to get it back in front of luca because luca is going to tear right no one can guard him anyway no but you putting a center on him and he just looks like he's going to terrorize. No one can guard him anyway. No one. But you putting a center on him, and he just looks like he's going to go to the basket and take that step back. Gobert can't get back. He can't get back to that shot.

He can't bother it either way. Because all Luka's looking to do, Luka looking, first of all, if you do get back, if you get in a situation, if you get on the side, Luka wants you to get on the side because now he's going to cut you off. Now

he got you on his back. And now he's going to pause. And the moment he feels you bump him in the back, he's going to get the shot off. So you're going to get a foul and you might give him an A and one. He is very crafty because he's bigger than you think. He's stronger than you think. He can play through contact. You cannot

speed him up. And his vision. You cannot speed him up. Right. And his vision. You trap him. He's like a LeBron. You trap LeBron. LeBron's like, okay, that's you. Okay, you guard this guy. This guy's opening the corner over here.

Or this guy's open over there. Or I need to snap or the hammer pass. Or I need to clear a cross-court pass. That's Luka. Yeah. All he is is a younger white version of LeBron, a guy that can control the game. There are very few guys that can control the game, Mitch.

Luka and LeBron are one. They just happen to be on the same team. And now you've got three guys, Luka, AR, and LeBron, that can get you buckets. So if one guy is having an off night, the other two can carry the load. Now, if all three are home, you got your heads full that night. Hell, boy.

Yeah. Have you ever seen how they guard Luka overseas? Nah. Okay, you need to check that out. Because overseas, he can tell you that if he says, he says, he doesn't say that publicly, that it's easier to score in the NBA

than it is to score overseas. I believe it. The one thing they do when Luka comes off that pick, they jump him. Trap him. Yeah, okay. You blitz him. They don't even trap him. They just jump him and make him turn his back.

Make him get the ball. Okay. Yeah, and make him turn his back for the other guy to come and get back in front of him. When you got Luka who can really pass the ball and he sets a pick and I got my shoulders narrow, I mean, I got my shoulders facing the basket, I got five positions that I can throw the ball to. Right.

When you get in the pick and roll, you're supposed to only have one pass. You're trying to get that guy one pass to get an outlet. And that's to the sideline, not down the lane, not to the corners. But when they play Luka now, he has five positions that he can do.

He can score it. He can pass it. But overseas, they jump him that they make him get out his hands, or make him hold it a little enough so he don't come around that corner, I mean, his shoulders facing the basket. So, it's a little different how they play.

Yeah. You know what, Mitch? I heard it when he said that. I said, man, you out your man. I heard Jokic. He said it's easier to score in the NBA. So, I'm thinking, I'm like, what are y'all talking about? Do you understand? They got the best players in the world.

That would be like saying, Ocho, you know what? It's easier playing football in the UFL than it is the NFL. Are you serious? Right. But now that you mentioned it, because they understand. Yes. They're like, oh, no. And the rules are different.

You can knock the ball off the ceiling. They play the Olympic. The FIBA rules are a lot different than American basketball rules. So America might need to adopt those rules so we wouldn't have such a difficult time, Mitch, when we go to the Olympics. That's why we have two or three games that we have to get adjusted to when we get over there in the Olympics.

I played in the Olympics as well. You know, it was a game. It was a time that we were a more physical team than the Olympics, than the overseas game. Right. Now that has changed because they set hard picks. You know what I mean? Yes. They played more difficult.

And they don't have, I don't think they have the three second lane route you have. So they kind of pack the paint a little bit. So they pack the paint on Luka a little bit so he has some bodies in there when he goes. So it's totally a different game. And plus the thing, they don't have the athlete. So they got to play with this.

They going backdoor pass your ass. They going to cut. They going to screen. They going to do all the things. They're not to backdoor pass your ass. They're going to cut. They're going to screen. They're going to do all the things. They're not reliant on athleticism. Not one time have you ever heard of a European guy, boy, he's really athletic. When you look at Dirk, you look at Sabonis, you look at Jokic, you look at Luka.

Now, Petro, and you were in the league when Petrovic was playing. Oh, he could get it. He was a bucket. No question. No question. He could really shoot it. Yeah. You look at Detlef Schrimp, all those guys.

You look at Rick Schmitz, all those guys were non-athletic. But they understood because they came out of playing in that era. Right. No question. No question. A little bit more fundamentals. They had to really rely on the fundamentals. Yes.

Ant-Man told reporters that he's relishing the chance to battle LeBron James over a seven-game series. It means a lot to match up against him. Man, probably goes down as the greatest player to ever play the game. So trying to get putting him out of the playoffs under my belt is going to be a tough one, but it's going to be a fun road. What do you think Mitch? I think Lakers. I think Lakers, I like Minnesota.

I think they don't match up very well with, with the Lakers. You know, Reeves is, Reeves is a hard, hard guard as well. And when you got, well,

what is the name? What is the, The Asian dude? Oh, Rui. Rui. You got him hitting shots and hitting open shots. They're a tough guard. And you know what? They're playing team defense.

They're playing team defense. I've never seen that. Even with Luka, you would have thought that they would struggle. They still go after him, but Luka is really trying to play a little bit. Yes. Sometimes, but their team defense is so much better. But I don't think Minnesota has enough to take them. Here's the thing I would say to Luka, if I'm telling him,

just don't let the guy beat you off the first move. Make him go to the second move because if he beats you off the first move. Make him go to the second move, because if he beats you off the first move, we're probably not going to be able to get there in time. And so if we can make him go to a second move, maybe that gives us an opportunity. Because the problem that they got, Mitch,

is that Luka's not a great defender, AR's not a great defender, and LeBron really only tried to defend in spurts so you're playing you're playing with three guys out there that's really not defenders now you might have fanny smith who's your own one of your own ball defenders you get vanderbilt that comes in he's your own ball defender but you give up so much offensively when vanderbilt comes in the game because he's not an offensive threat so people slump off off of him. And now I can help on LeBron. I can help on Luka.

I can help on A.R. But I agree with you. They have to play because they really don't have – I mean, Jackson Hayes is a help defender. He's not an own-ball defender at 7 foot tall. He's a rim runner. He's a lob threat. He'll get it off the rim and give you some second-chance points. But they have to play team

defense in order for them to have a chance to win because they don't really have a great they don't have a Davion Mitchell they don't have a Holiday they don't have a Derek White they don't have guys like that that can on ball pressure you and hound you like some of those like some of the guys that I mentioned yeah listen you know I you know I I, you know, I love, I love him confidence. I love his confidence. I love what he's saying. I love that he's talking. I love that he's willing to face this challenge and show people what he can do.

But like, like you said, it means like you said, they just don't have enough firepower. They don't have enough firepower. Even if you make LeBron, you make Luca and you make everyone else exert all that energy on the defense end on the,

on the defense end and, and think that might somewhat deplete them offensively, you obviously need, outside of Anthony Ambrose, you need everybody else collectively to be able to show up in a seven-game series. And it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. Because a night where Luka's off, then LeBron, LeBron and Rui and also Reeves might be on. A night that LeBron is off,

then Luke is going to be on. And just collectively as a group, they're a much better team as a whole. Yes. As opposed to the Wolves. I like, I love Ant. I love the confidence.

Yes. And he's probably going to show up. He's going to show out. Oh, he's going to show out. Yeah, they don't got nobody that can stop him. What is everybody else going to do? Yeah. That's the problem.

Right, right. And I'm looking to see, you know, this is the playoffs, though. So I'm looking to see if they change up any way how they play Luka or how they play LeBron. Like, this is the time to do it now, where you really zeroing in on a four-game series. Then you try different things. So maybe one of those things might stick.

So I'm pretty sure that they, you know, in the draw on that in practice or when they're in their meetings, they're trying to come up with different ways that they can play LeBron or they can play Luka. So it's going to be interesting to see how they come out and do that, though. But we know Ant going to show up, no question. Yeah, but it's going to be incumbent that Julius Randle plays extremely well. And now we know he's capable of that. Now, Drew Randle, he's a big-body guy.

Look, he likes to go to that left hand. He can occasionally knock down the three-point shot, but he's a big-body guy. He's going to post you up. He's going to post you up. He's going, you know. So I think the thing is the interesting matchup because this is probably the first time that we can question

LeBron probably the second option. For the first time in his career, 21 years, he liked the second option. And if you said that, you're like, okay, I ain't finna bite you. You've never been able to say that at any other point in time in his career. No, no, not at all.

But you got two guys that when they have the ball, they're the first option. So when the front has it, he's the first option. When Luka has it, he's the first option. And Reeves now done got into the mix where he don't have to pass the ball because he's so efficient in hitting his shot. So, yeah, they're a different team of how they're playing now. And Luka is the number one guy that, you know. He's the number one ball handler.

Yeah, he can rest. He can rest now a little bit. He don't have to do all of the things. He doesn't have to be the guy that can make all of the passes. So, yeah, it's going to be interesting. I like the fact that Luka held the ball because LeBron is better off the ball than Luka. I can put LeBron in the dunker spot. I can put him in the pick and roll.

He can roll to the basket. Luka is not really a roller. I ain't put Luka in the dunker spot. Yeah, right. I ain't put Luka in the dunker spot. I ain't put Luka in the dunker spot. But Luka, hey, off the ball, he can catch and shoot. I like LeBron there because, like you said, it takes him off the ball.

He doesn't have to exert himself nearly as much. And Ocho and I was talking about this. They might have gave LeBron another two to three years with Luka. They're not, Mitch. No question about that. Yeah, and they're going to reload this summer. Yeah. So, yeah, they're trying to get fresh bodies for him so they can,

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activity. He won't play Saturday for game one of the Bucks playoff series against the Pacers. Mitch, what is the Bucks ceiling? Let's just say, okay, we know he's not playing in game one. What is their ceiling if they get Dane back at some point' ceiling? Let's just say, okay, we know he's not playing in game one. What is their ceiling if they get Dame back at some point in time?

Let's just say he comes back game. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, the first two games on the road, he doesn't play. He comes back for game three. Dame comes back for game three. What are the Bucs' ceiling? Can they get out of the East? I think they have an opportunity to get to the Eastern Conference Finals, no question about it.

If they're healthy, if they come in with the right, I think, mindset. I think they just got the guy from, what, Washington? Kyle Kuzma. Kyle Kuzma. Oh, you kind of know him? Got a little bit. No, I'm just saying he's a great player at the third position. The third, you know, third or fourth position, he's a great player.

He doesn't have to be the leader. You know, he was a great player at that. But, yeah, I mean, I think nobody's still going to, you know, take over Boston. Yeah. I think Boston is the team to beat. Cleveland. I think Cleveland can get there, and that can is the team to beat. Cleveland. I think Cleveland can get there, and

that can be the Eastern Conference fighter, but I just think Milwaukee is right where they're at. I see Cleveland and Boston in the finals. This is what I'm talking about. First it was on, then it was ISO, Joe. Man, here we go again, Mitch.

What I do? We talk about who's coming out East east and the first thing you say is you say maybe the bucks no no no no maybe the cab no he said boston maybe calves yeah i say boston maybe calves i said well how the cab i just told you early about 20 minutes ago the cab wasn't even getting past the east so how do you got the cab you know what i forgot you was on that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, homie. I'm sorry, homie. I'm sorry you're still on that Miami Heat. That's what we messed up.

Right. We're sorry about that. I'm going to give you a chance to fix it. Go ahead. I'm going to let you fix it. You're going to let me fix it? Yeah, go ahead. You know, I just told you. That's my hometown, too, homie.

I'm Fort Lauderdale, Florida. But I think Cleveland got him, bro. I think Cleveland got you. I think Cleveland got you. Okay. I got something better for you. Can we get a bet? Can we get a bet?

Can we get a bet? Put something on the floor for you. Make a life for yourself. What you want? What you want to bet? I mean, I'll race you in 100. Okay. Man.

Man, your hamstring going to pop. You're going to look like a sniper shot your head. I'm reaching 100, homie. Let's go. Listen, hey, I'm in shape, right? I'm still running. I give you 30 meters. I give you 30 meters.

Ain't no way. Ain't no way, bro. I'm on the stair climber, baby. I'm ready. You got Mitch. I play soccer every day, Mitch. I play soccer every day, Mitch. I play soccer every day. Okay. Full field.

40-minute halves. All right. I'm still running like that. All right. Well, I'll take that back then. My bad. I'm going to take that back. You're right.

You're right. You're right. I'll lose that. But, hey, man, get off these Miami Heat, man. I love them. I love them. I love Pat Ryan. I love everything they're doing.

But I don't know if they can get past Cleveland. You know what? This is similar to the same story in the Bible, like David and Goliath. They had no faith in David. That's going to be a pretty good one. They had no faith in David. Okay. And right now, basically, the Heat are David.

Well, y'all better get some slaying shots and some smooth-fired pebbles. Get something. That ain't happening, baby. That ain't happening, baby. That ain't happening, man. It's so funny. Listen,

you two don't believe the chat. The chat, I can see y'all. I see y'all talking trash. Talking about, what am I smoking? And what's wrong with me? I'm delusional.

But when it happens, I don't want to hear nothing. Okay. I hear nothing. John Sally says, theba banned all nba footage before 1974 he also said will chamler was 7-3 and could run a 4-5-40 i mean he was athletic i mean the footage that they show you see him getting up up and down the court they changed the rules right they changed the rules for real he was just for real. You never going to see a guy

his record, for some of these records, they might as well just take him down. Ain't nobody going to get 23,000 rebounds. Ain't ever. Nobody's going to average 27. He averaged two seasons where he averaged 27 rebounds a game. That's crazy.

He averaged 25 rebounds a game while averaging 50 points a game. He was 40. That was a anomaly. That's crazy. He averaged 25 rebounds a game while averaging 50 points a game. He was 40. That was a anomaly. He'd never do that again. So he said, you know what? I'm going to average 44 and 27 the next year after averaging 50 and 25. I got a question.

I mean no disrespect. I haven't been able to see the footage of him back then at the time, obviously being able to average 27 a game, whatever it might have been. Is there a comparison to him? And I mean this

in no disrespectful way. Is there a comparison to him in today's basketball game? And the first thing that comes to mind is Wimby. From an athletic standpoint, is there any kind of comparison?

No. No. You've got to realize he could run, he could run a sub, he could run damn near 49 seconds comparison? No. No. You've got to realize he can run. He can run a sub. He can run damn near 49 seconds into 400 meters. Yeah. He can shot putt 50 feet.

He can high jump almost 7 feet. No, no, there's no comparison. Now, maybe Shaq, because Shaq is more athletic than you think. Yeah. People don't realize that because you look at it. When it was smaller. Yes. You look at Shaq.

No, but Shaq was really, really athletic. Shaq could catch. Shaq could run. Now, I'm not saying he had will speed, but Shaq was the closest. He was the closest. Yes. Yes. Okay.

Yes. Yeah. He was the closest. No question. Yeah. Will was unbelievable, bro. Yeah. I mean, he ran the 400 meters.

He threw the shot putt. He high jumped. Everything. Yeah. He high jumped. Everything. He's out. So, yeah. He had a lot of numbers. No, okay. I ain't going there.

Go ahead. Mitch, we're going to get you out of here on this one. Okay. Who, who, your MVP, and who is going to get the Larry O'Brien trophy? Man, Larry O'Brien, I know for sure Shea has to get it this year. You mean the MVP? Yeah, the MVP. No question about it.

You know, their team is number one. They've been winning all year. He's been showing up, showing out for the last two years in a big way. No question about it. I think that Shea would get MVP. Now, the O'Brien Trophy. Man, I don't even know. Give me the criterias on that.

No, you got okay. You got Boston, Thunder. Who going to win the championship this year? Oh, man. Jesus. Pete. Come on. this year? Oh, man. Oh, Jesus. He... Come on. Oh, man.

Man, that's a tough one, bro. If I have to go back, I would have to go back to the defending champions so I wouldn't get myself in trouble. You know what I mean? So I would have to go back to the defending champions.

I think what changes is who they meet in the finals this year. So honestly, I think the Lakers have a good chance to get into the finals this year. I agree. I think I would say that in the beginning of the year, no question about it, but do you see OKC and the Lakers in their Western Conference Finals? I do.

Championship? I do. That can't be that. I like that, though. But if you see the Lakers and OKC in the Western Conference Finals, who you got winning the finals, though, to go to the championship? Lakers in five.

That's it? Lakers in five that's it Lakers in five yeah yeah yeah okay alright what is that what's their record

this year what is the split between OKC OKC and Lakers what is it one in three see I would like that

matchup had they not thrown Luke out of the ball game I don't know why they threw Luke out because the official, he was on one. He knew Luke was talking to that fan that was chirping

in his ear. So he just hit a three. Why the hell he going to yell something to the official? That's true. But you're coming up with a lot of excuses over there though that's all right hey you we dropped them by 27 okay you saw that i saw that one okay okay okay you saw it so i don't need

awful without explanation okay anything you got to promote tell us how to chat how they can find you on social media. I mean, you can find me on Mitch Rock Richmond 23. I got a lot of things coming up. You know, we got a podcast. I mean, I'm getting ready to get my podcast going. Also, we have a documentary

coming with Run TMC. Okay. We be looking for that. And yeah, you can find me at Mitch Rock Richmond 23. Appreciate you guys on IG. Hey, matter of fact, matter of fact, Spino, you pick the basketball up a little bit? Huh?

You still pick the basketball up a little bit and play a little bit? Yeah, once in a while. What's up? Okay. Now I'll be just checking because I got a few people on the hit list that I got to beat. I just want to know if you want to join. I just want to know if you want to join that hit list. Chad, any time, bro.

Come on, Ocho. Okay. Come on, Ocho. Listen. Listen. I'm not trying to say you're handicapped, but I'm a handicap just to give you an advantage.

You ain't giving me no handicaps. No handicaps. You done got the handicap. You done have the handicap. You done have the handicap. You done have the handicap. You done have the handicap. I'm the bro. a handicap. You're going to have a handicap. You're going to get a handicap.

I'm a pro. Hold on, Mitch. I scored 56 as a freshman all the way to senior year in high school. You scored what? 56 points a game. 56 points a game? Yeah, at Beach High. Who?

Beach High. Yeah. Yeah, you know Beach High over there on South Beach. Yeah, that was me. South Beach. Check the record books. I don't see over there on South Beach. Yeah, that was me. South Beach. I'm checking the record books. I don't see none of that. I don't see none of that.

Okay, I know you don't see, but you ain't Ray Charles. No, no, I'm just saying, you might have done it, but I don't see none of that. That don't scare me. Okay, we're going to 11 points. I'll meet you at, where you at? What city you in right now? You in LA? I'm in LA, but I'll be down in Fort Lauderdale soon. When?

You know what that, soon, soon take too long for me. I'll be in LA. You'll in LA, but I'll be down in Fort Lauderdale soon. When? Listen, you know that. Soon, soon take too long for me. I'll be in LA. You'll be in LA? Okay. Well, let's do it. LA Fitness. Matter of fact, no. I want the people to see.

So Venice Beach. Venice Beach to 11. I'm going to spot you. Okay, Lord. Here go the handicaps. Here go the handicaps. I ain't playing on no damn concrete, homie. Why?

What's the problem? No, no, no, no. I got to. Mr. Neat, the B, that back. Yeah, I ain't playing on no concrete. Now homie. Why? What's the problem? No, no, no, no. I got a... Mr. Neat, the B, that back. Yeah, I ain't playing on no concrete. Now we making excuses? We playing in the gym. That's what we...

No, no, I don't want to play in the gym. I want to play outside so the people can see what I do to you. Well, I'm out. I'm out. You don't get the rules. You can't put the rules. I got to get the rules.

I want to play inside the gym, homie. Come on. But ain't nobody going to be able to see you inside the gym, Mitch. Well, don't be scared. We're going to live stream rules. I want to play inside the gym, huh? Come on. But ain't nobody going to be able to see you inside the gym, Mitch. Well, don't be scared. We're going to live stream it. Okay. All right.

Okay. All right. All right. You want to put some money on it till 11. Till 11, you lose. Okay. Let's do it.

How much you put? By the fact, hey, this is the funny thing about it, right? Yeah. I'm not even going to go mid-range and I ain't going to post your ass up because you're too little. Damn. I'm not even going to go mid-range, and I ain't going to post your ass up because you're too little.

Damn. I'm going to do everything from the outside. Really? Yeah. You ain't even seen me on defense, so that's the point. You're going to be frustrated because you ain't going to be able to score. Okay, so you know what I'm going to do? I'm not going to shoot no jumpers.

I'm going straight inside. All 11. How are you going to get past me? I'm going to back you down. I ain't getting past me? I'm gonna back you down. I ain't getting past you. I don't need to pass you. How you gonna back me down, man? This shoulder.

This shoulder, bro. Ain't you too little, bro? Hey, you better tell him to go watch some film. What you talking about? I got your jersey. What you talking about? But that's where I started at, homie. I started in that paint.

Okay? All right. All right. All right. I love you. Hey, Mitch, thank you for joining us, man. Thank you, man. Hey, come back and join us soon, Mitch.

All right, man. You guys be good, man. Appreciate you. Thanks for that. Appreciate you, man. All right, man. See you. All right, Mitch.

The great Mitch Richmond. Hall of Fame Mitch Richmond with the Golden State Warriors and the Sacramento Kings. Hey, Ocho, look here. Yo. Hey, Chad, look what Penny sent your boy. Hey, man, here we go again, man. You didn't ask for no shoes. I did.

Them the Galaxy ones, right? Yes. Yeah. Look at that for the paranormal. Why everybody send you stuff and don't send two pairs? Because you ain't ask for ish. I don't need to ask. You supposed to say something for me.

You? This man, you own this with me. All you had to do was say, hey, hey, hey, hey, please send me a pair of two. Um, what are we doing? Anything you get. We come as a unit. We come together as one. Ask.

You don't see me out there. You challenging everybody. You up there challenging everybody to my playing game. I'm trying to get gear. That's me. Well, listen, I'm... Hey, Mitch Richmond, you finna get this work. Iso Joe, I know you probably watching. You finna get this work. Iso Joe, I know you probably watching.

You finna get this work. Kenyon Martin, if you don't see me with my cigars, I'm going to beat your ass. Who else? Who else? Who else I owe? Me? Ocho, you don't pay my $5,200, I'm going to beat your ass. Listen, I'll fold your ass up like a lawn chair, man.

Don't do that. Not if I see you crumble under 315. You ain't folding up ish. Oh, no, no, no. No, no. I did three sets of 225 to warm up. Because my body's not used to that type of weight. I'm going to be honest with you.

I'm going to be honest with you. I go in there cold. I go in there cold. I probably could do, how many times do you do 225? Honestly, I'm not going to say a lot. We play with you. I can only do it nine times. Once I get to nine, I can't even hit 10.

Hey, I'm clean. You need some socks, though. You heard me? Don't worry about it. You need some shoes. I thought you said you were going to give me a cap. I bet it's easier for me to get socks than you to get shoes Hold on, I don't want the Galaxy

I want the all blue Oh yeah, yeah, yeah The original phone project Yeah Damn man I started asking for the pair of normals But these are worth Y'all don't give me nothing man

Ocho, Chad Did y'all see Ocho? Was I on here by myself with Penny? Or was Ocho on this chat also? I don't want to be rude. I don't want to be rude. If you ask, I don't want to follow up behind and be like, oh yeah, can I get a pair too?

Okay, let somebody come on and ask for something you asked for. I'm going to say, bro, see your boy one of them things too. That's rude. I don't want to be rude. Well, I'm going to say, hey bro, send your boy one of them things too. Nah, see that's rude. I don't want to be rude. Well, I'm going to be rude. I mean, I would think you would,

I mean, you would be gracious enough to ask your co-host, ask him, you know, me and Ocho had this show. If you send me one,

can you send him one too? That's what I would do. You ain't never asked for his. I don't ask for them because I'm thinking you know you're leading you're leading to the conversation with it so it's my fault you ain't got no shoes now huh

you got my Funko you got all the awards you got the awards you got hold on you got what you got the plaque you got a hundred thousand plaque and you got a million plaque you got all the webbies've got a hundred thousand plaque and you've got a million plaque. You've got all the webbies. You've got two webbies also.

Okay. And you stole a webbie. I did. I did. I did. But it's not the real one though. I did. It's cool. It's cool. And I think we're going to get some more webbies this year. For real?

I think so. Are we going to go? Because I got this nice suit I want to wear. It's cool And I think we gonna get some more weddings this year For real? I think so Are we gonna go? Cause I got this nice suit I wanna wear It's peach We'll see Yeah Yeah let me know Cause I just wanna get on stage

I just wanna I want people to see my outfit Oh you know you only get five words Yeah and I'ma say the same thing I said last year I fucking love you guys I'ma say say the same thing I said last year. I fucking love you guys. I'm going to say pay me my $5,200. That's my speech.

Hey, can I tell you something? What is it? I bought something else Hold on I needed a warped truck So you know I had a Suburban right You know I had a Suburban Yeah So I just traded my Suburban in

And I just got a Cybertruck That's not bad Why you got a Cybertruck Ocho I'm trying to I'm worried about the environment So I went electric. So it was for a good cause. Now, I'm not saying, listen, I don't support, I mean, I'm not a supporter.

And, you know, people don't like that. I'm not worried about the individual itself. I just like the truck because it fits me. The truck is ugly and I'm ugly. Mate. This man here. This man by... Chad, y'all see this?

Now, y'all tell my man, man, you need to start Ocho. Man, don't do Ocho like that. Y'all see this man? Now, this man done bought a Lambo. This man done bought a Cybertruck. This man done got a new house. He done bought furniture,

and they ain't pay me my $5,200, chat Hold on, hold on But what about my kids? How they gonna eat? You ain't think about that When you buying $700,000 on the cars? I know, but I'm using the $5,200 to feed my kids Okay

Y'all see what I'm talking about, chat? Y'all see how this man This man This man performing a Shakespearean play Right in my damn face And y'all And y'all kiki-kidding right there long-winded. What kind of bull— Hey, listen, my daughter graduated from Prairie View A&M in May.

My son graduated the following day from Arizona State. So think about how far that $5,200 could take me for them to be able to give my daughter flowers when she graduated from prayer of UANM. Not as far as $700,000 could have took you. Huh? You should have took that money and said, you know what? I'm going to hold off. I'm going to hold off. I ain't going to even get this car.

I'm going to wait because, you know, I owe $5,200. I'm going to go ahead and break that car. Hey, but I'm going to give you your money at the Baltimore show. Live. Cash. I want my money tomorrow. Well, if you

would download any of the apps that I asked you to download to make the transaction easy, we would have got your money seven months ago. What y'all think about this? This man doing Shakespeare in my face. That's the play.

I mean, what is Demzell's on Broadway? What is he doing? Othello. Othello. Yeah. Well, honestly, you know what? Just to give you better context, you know what? I took drama and theater in high school, too, now.

Yeah, there about to be some drama. There about to be some drama. But this ain't no actor here. Boy, I love it. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming.

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