Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Half of the women’s Final 4 is set, Desmond Watson joins the show, & Tetaiora McMillan doesn’t watch film!

Episode Date: March 31, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the half of the Women’s Final 4 is set, Desmond Watson joins the show to talk about his draft aspirations & how he plans to lose weight! They also discuss McMillan talking about he doesn’t watch film & much more!06:15 - Show start11:30 - Half of the Final 4 set for the NCAA30:39 - Desmond Watson joins show46:13 - Tetairoa McMillian doesn’t watch film alone1:06:00 - Tyreek Hill subtweets Dolphins(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen I can turn the switch on I can turn the switch on when necessary so if you need me when you take a vacation I can fill in for you and do that but until that time comes i'm going to need two of those gold headphones to go in my game too as well i don't know what your signal you might want to charge uh calm down with signal you see what's

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and the UCLA Lady Bruins punch their tickets to Tampa, Florida today. Two remaining spots remain. The TCU Lady Horned Frogs takes on the Texas No, TCU, excuse me. The TCU Lady Horned Frogs takes on the Texas Lady Longhorns.

Yukon, the Lady Huskies, takes on the USC Lady Trojans minus juju great matchups um could we get all four number one seeds that might be the first time that will ever happen right for number one season the men's side go for number one seed and the women's side in the same year in the same year i think that would probably be the time. I think if we're going to get an upset, we'll probably be TCU. But UConn could possibly spring the

upset, but man, Paige Buckets, she was sensational. She was sensational the other night. She went on a 19-0 run by herself. Normally, you see a team go on a run, they go on 10, 15, 20-point runs. There's a lot of team going to run they go on 10 15 20 point runs there's a lot

of scoring going on he will she went on a 19-0 run by her alone yeah so yes she seems to be peaking at the right time um seems like everything is going their way but i can't wait to see like i said the lady game crocs lady game cards and the Lady Trojans, Bruins, they're there. They're waiting on someone. Who will it be? Will it be the Lady Horned Frog or the Lady Longhorns, the Lady Huskies or the Lady Trojans? Tomorrow night,

today, the Lady Gamecocks took down the number two seed Duke, Lady Blue Devils, Coach Don Staley. It's our fifth straight Final Four appearance. The Bruins beat LSU to deny them another Final Four

appearance. If I'm not mistaken, I think this is the Bruins. This is their first Final Four in history of the ladies' basketball program. Now, they used to be strong in ladies' the basketball, the ladies basketball program. Now, they're strong and used to be strong in ladies softball, lady volleyball. They were tremendous.

When they had Lisa Fernandez, they got this thing started. They were really, really good in softball. No, they were really good. They were great in softball. Right. But right now, for them to now flip the script and be good in basketball, ladies basketball, that's very, very good.

They've come a long way. Ocho, we have some very interesting sounds from the LSU Tigers head coach, Kim Mulkey. Let's take a listen to what she had to say. Jaden Smith, KLSU Sports. Coach, this is the second straight year you guys get eliminated in the Elite Eight. Terrible. Yeah. Terrible or is that good?

Terrible. Is it? How many Final fours you playing uh none so it's probably pretty good huh yeah all right really oh really yeah but listen you got to be careful with the the question when you were the delivery and what you're asking especially after after a game like that and being eliminated. Yes. Now, you know what they tell players? You know what they tell players after a game? Right.

Take your time and cool down. Come to your senses before you answer any questions. She was still, she just lost the game. I get it. So you have to understand why she was feeling the way she felt and why. I get it. why she was feeling the way she felt and why she answered the question the way she did.

Has she not lost the game before? Yeah. I mean, Coach O, it wasn't, he didn't even get a chance to finish the question. He's asking, Coach,

this is the second time you've been eliminated. And for you to snap back and say, well, how many Final Fours have you been to? I mean, I understand. Listen, I totally understand where you're coming from. eliminated and for you to snap back says well how many final fours have you been to i mean i understand listen i totally understand where you're coming from as as a journalist as an analyst excuse me as a journalist he has a job to do he has questions to ask to mention oh this

is the second time you've been eliminated you have to understand where she's coming from and see it from her perspective well god damn i just got eliminated You let me know it's the second time I got eliminated. I don't know how many times I've been eliminated. Just how about word the question differently and you wouldn't get the response you got. How would you have worded the question? Coach, it's an unfortunate loss. You guys have been eliminated.

And then go on to what you want to say. Mentioning that she's been eliminated twice it's totally unnecessary and it's some bit of a jab and that's the way she took it which is which is why that's excuse me i'm talking too damn fast which is why she answered it the way she did she was snappy based on the way the question was answered so you change the way you ask it you change the delivery i guarantee your answer is different. I don't think so. That's all I'm saying. I don't believe so. Kim Mulkey has been nasty for a very long time.

And she's gotten away with this type of behavior because she is a national champion winning coach. So she has a history of doing this. She has a history of doing this. The same thing with Bobby Knight. Bobby Knight had a history of bad behavior. But because he was a national champion winning coach, you excuse said behavior. Remember, people excuse behavior if you win, if they like you. Kim Mulkey has been nasty for an extremely long period of time.

If this is unacceptable for an athlete to say, well, how many times have you caught a pass in the NFL? How many times have you scored a basket in the NBA? How many times have you scored a basket in the NBA? How many times have you, you know, struck somebody out of the – that would be unacceptable. This is unacceptable for Kim Mulkey. Right. Because, you know, he phrased the question. It's that, hold on, wait a minute.

Coach, I know you're probably upset. This is the second time – this is the second in back-to-back years you got eliminated. Considering, you know, she went to-to-back years you got eliminated. Considering, you know, she went to the, did she go, oh,

no, she went to the Final Four. Didn't, who put, yeah, yeah, who put out? Was it,

Awa? She doesn't, plus Ocho, she doesn't have the horses that she once had. Awa? Plus, Ocho, she doesn't have the horses that she once had. Right. Obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Because I remember because they beat them in the national championship and then Awa returned the favor. She doesn't have me. You lose a double-double machine. And Angel Reese, she was sensational. No matter what you think about her, she was a double-double machine and uh angel reese she was sensational uh no matter what you think about her she was a double-double machine she's gonna probably give you 15 and 15 and it was hard to keep lauren betts six seven off the glass they got a lot of extra point they got a lot of extra second chance points um um hawkins uh gabriella hawkins was great from the three-point line she really put the dagger through the heart when they got the rebound they got the kick out right and she

bentz turned around and found her and she she nailed it that was for all intents and purposes that was the end of the game flage was sensational especially the second half they needed more scoring and they couldn't get that other than flage they really didn't have a whole lot uh uh maro is kind of neutralized because betts is six seven that's a lot of hype and so she did a great job i think she has six six or seven block shots um but i just look i i get it oh joe i i get it when we're we're upset when we're you know when emotion is high logic is generally low and we say things and and and probably she probably doesn't feel bad because like i said she's a four-time national champion

winning coach and she's gotten away with saying things she's gotten away with treating people nasty uh but for me i just i especially i just expect more from a coach. Right. That's all. That's all. 17, 18, 19-year-old kids, yeah, I get it. But when you've been in this situation for an extended period of time and you expect your players to behave in a certain manner after the game, I think the coach should set the precedent, should set the example, should lead by example and set the precedent and say, you know what? Hey, you're right. We got to do a better job of playing better earlier. We got to do a better job of knocking down shots not turning the ball over yes getting

some better players at the end of the day it comes down to players win you know i can coach them up put them in the right spot but hey that uclo team they play really really good there's a reason why they're the number one overall seed there's a reason why they won the big 10 championship they got an all-american over there they're a really good basketball team. So I know we're hurt and disappointed right now that we're not advancing, but we shouldn't hang our heads because we accomplished a lot this year. We'll be back. We'll be back. Now, listen, that answer you just gave, that's awesome. That's awesome. That would be great for inauguration if you're running for president but when a woman

that just that just lost and just got sent home and like you said emotions are running high that ain't the answer you're gonna get so if

so if one of these coaches so if Samson if he says that if if if Shire if he says that they ask him well you got knocked out well how many final four did you period is that gonna be okay if a man says that if you're Shire if he says that they ask him well you got knocked out well how many

Final Four did you period is that gonna be okay if a man says that if a man has if a woman asked that very question to a man right and he said that what would be said Ocho would that be okay hey you know it's right no it wouldn't be okay but obviously wait let me let me let me say something okay as a hair as a male head coach you know they probably wouldn't answer the question like that anyway they the response would be completely different even if they had been to Final Four Let me say something. As a male head coach, you know, they probably wouldn't answer the question like that anyway. The response would be completely different. Even if they had been to Final Four

before it got knocked out a second time, the way they answer the question in general, it's just different. It just is. Now, I'm not saying what she said was right,

but I can understand. I can understand her being goddamn upset. Yes. I don't need you. Listen, I don't need you addressing the question towards me, letting me know how many times I've been eliminated.

I know that. I just got sent home. Yeah, but Ocho, that's the thing. The more you invest in something, the more it hurts when it doesn't go your way. That's why you see a lot of times I was a very emotional player because I know how much I put into it. So it hurt me and it bothered me when I didn't see God. And so look, everybody take losses a different way, but I was one of those guys considering that I knew how much I put into it, how much I sacrificed, it bothered me. But I also understood I had had an obligation i had a responsibility because had

she won she'd have been kiki right right right totally understandable totally totally totally totally totally understand the height you are when you win if you're six five when you win you need to be six five when you lose don't go below that because i see that a lot is that when things go well everybody want, you got a question. Oh, what? What? You keep kicking. Now, when you lose, you short.

That's it. Oh, you up out of there. Nah, bro. It doesn't work like that. Everybody wants to win. Everybody can't win. You should be gracious in victory and defeat. So if you're boasterous in victory,

stand up there and take it like a man or woman when you lose. That's all I'm saying, Ocho. And she's gotten away with this for a long, long time. She has. And people allow her to do this. It's kind of like, you know, I love Pop, but Pop was basically very disrespectful to reporters on the sideline, to singers. And what do you think?

I'm just asking you. I'm just trying to do my job. I'm just trying to do my job. Yeah. But like I said, when you win, people will excuse a lot of behavior when you win that they wouldn't necessarily tolerate from someone that doesn't win nearly as much. That's my two cents. That was a good one. Haley Van Lith was sensational.

Becker scored 40 against Oklahoma. I mean, for TCU, not known for women's basketball. They got a good baseball team. Football teams have been good over the last couple years. If I were you, I wouldn't say anything about that. Because I got your ass

50-yard line seats and you left at the beginning of the third quarter. So I wouldn't say anything about that. They were getting blown out, huh? Georgia being 65-7. Oh, we still made it. Oh, I would love to go. She calling me. I'm like, hold on.

It's really quiet. Where are you? Oh, we're on the way home. But Haley Van Lith, she went to Louisville, and the last time she was at Louisville, I think Texas knocked down the

Sweet 16, right? I think Texas locked when she was at Louisville. They got chippy. Somebody said something to her, and she's's like hand out my face talking to me you ain't finna beat me and lecture me that's like me Ocho

when I'm getting a ticket look you either go give me a ticket and let me go on my way or you can lecture me and not give me no ticket but you ain't doing both both yeah

hey that's funny go ahead Ocho what you gonna say no I'm getting ready to say I mean the situation you talk about it was it was uh were they in in the what do you call it after the game were you were you exchanging were you shaking yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay i i remember that i remember that that went viral that was where and i don't i don't i don't know if it was ever reported what was said. Right. The Texas. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And she's like, get off me. I ain't trying to hear all that. He lost this game. I'm upset. See?

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And we thought it would be just as good, if not better, because Beckers is a fully healthy Juju who was at the top of her game. She was, A, magnificent. And unfortunately, we're not going to get that matchup. The question is, Arafine, can she lead them? Can she? UConn look really good. Very.

They look really good. But, hey, we're about to find out. We're about to find out if it's going to happen, if she can, if Beckers can. Because that's the only thing left to do on her resume. She's been player of the year. She's been an outstanding player. But all the outstanding players that go to UConn, what do they get, Ocho? National championships.

Your Sue Bird, your Rebecca Lobo, your Sue Bird, your Rebecca Lobo your Sue Bird, your Tarazis your Maya Mords the Tiva Charleses, the Stewies the Montgomery's Paige, the only thing that's absent on her resume is a championship

and that's how you get immortalized there look look if she was at another program hotel that's not used to winning national championship she might be the best player ever ever but when you go to uconn or same thing a duke when you go to these programs and they've won and they've had historically great players, that's what Juju is up against. Cheryl Miller, championships.

Cynthia Cooper, that's what you're up against. And so now, this is her last chance. Her last chance. Yeah, it's going to be a tough road now. Oh, yeah, for sure. It's going to be a tough road. It's going to be tough sledding. Yeah, USC ain't going to lay down now because they got something to play for.

Look, everybody that comes out, man, y'all, they ain't going to do nothing. They're not going to do anything without Juju. Juju's averaging 25 points. We know she has 25, 5, and 6, or whatever the case may be. They don't believe people outside of that team and maybe USC fans that they can get it done with her. She's one of the two or three best players in college basketball. That's so huge to take that out.

Right. And then expect to win, but they expect to win. And that's all that matters. It doesn't matter what the outside world we expect to win. We know, we believe that we played our game, we have a chance to win in this game. And it's

going to take an outstanding game. It's going to take that. Because UConn, they get out there defensively, and they got a young lady that can take the game over and shoot you out of the jail. She can put the ball on the floor. Now, she's not as physical as Juju was, but she can stroke it from the three. She got nice

mid-range game. She can put it on the floor, go to the free throw line. She's a very, very good player. The only thing missing from Paige's resume, she's been an All-American. She was a player of the year. Championship. Championship. Championships. Championship.

That's what it comes down to, Ocho. It is really that simple because that program, you're talking about the most storied programs in women's college basketball. It's really two. It's Tennessee. It is UConn. Yeah. Pat Head Summit, rest her soul, and Gino.

Yeah. You don't get any better than that. We're good to go. Ocho, look who's to go. Oh, Joe. Look who's joining us. Hey, he's 6'6", 464 pounds. He could become the largest draft pick drafted in NFL history. And boy, he had a pro day last week.

He bench pressed 225 36 times. Me too. More than any player did at the combine earlier this year he also ran the 40 and 539 he broke six seconds at over 460 pounds have a 25 inch vertical jump y'all let's put some hands together for florida's outstanding defensive tackle mr dev. Devlin Watson. Dad, what's... Dad, you can hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. What's up, little fella? Boy, you good? What's up, young man? I'm chilling, I'm chilling.

Hey, where you at? Where you at right now? What state you in? I'm in Florida. Wait, what? You from the crib? Yeah, I'm from Tampa. Why you know that? You in Tampa right now? Okay, man, I'm coming to see you tomorrow. I'm going to cheer. Let me ask you this, Gav.

You got the pro. You know Florida's having their pro day. What were you hoping to accomplish, and do you feel you accomplished that in your pro day? I think I was just going there trying to surprise everybody. You know, I feel like everybody looking my way and stuff like that and don't expect me to be able to move around because, you know, usually people my size can't.

So I think I was going there trying to surprise some people and I think I did. You definitely did. You definitely surprised some people because you're picking them up and putting them down. I'm like, well, damn.

You can move now. You can move. Before you go, hey, Dad, listen, if the scouts and the people that watch film and watch college football this year, man, and they watch you play, you're sure their quickness is like no other, though.

Your footwork is like no other, though. So they should know you can already move a little bit based on what you put on film already. So it really shouldn't have been no surprise to nobody when you went out there and did what you did. Yeah. Listen, I got one thing. At 464 pounds, you think that's right? You think they got to weigh you right? Yeah, it was.

It was. Yeah? Nah. I'm still in the process, you know what I mean? I definitely didn't lose weight. I feel like my outlook, or the outlook of, like, you know, my supporters and my fans, stuff like that, isn't the same as scouts. So, you know, they got a number set for me that I got to get to.

And I think, you know, in order for me to be successful in the league and get to the league at that, I got to get to that number. Now, I always thought about this. They always tell you how much you need to weigh and what you need to do with your body. How do you feel best?

How do you feel you can play at your best? Is it being a little lighter? Is it being a little heavy? What do you think? I don't know. I think losing weight, you know,

it definitely put me in a better spot for sure. Right, right. But I think, you know, I can play, but at the same time, I want to do something if I get there. So I think being lighter will help me. You know what I mean? Okay.

I heard, I don't know if it's true, were you at one point in time almost close to 500 and you've lost like 30, 40 pounds, haven't you? Yeah, close to it, close to it. you've lost like 30 40 pounds haven't you yeah close to it close to it i ain't never touch it but so so so that because i think the thing is right now they're looking at you as a two down player first and second down you stop the run make sure hey your linebacker stay clean they flow to the ball hey but hey y'all talking about taking up all these blocks i'm trying to eat too i'm trying to make me some tacklers y'all talking about taking up all these blocks. I'm trying to eat, too. I'm trying to make me some tacklers. Y'all talking about holding this center and this guard

and keeping them getting up on the linebacker. Bro, I need to eat. I need to eat. Yeah. But I saw you at Florida also. They gave you the ball. You carried the rock, Des. Yeah.

That's really not, that's not my thing. You know, I usually don't like to be in the spotlight or things like that. But I know, like, since I got there, fans and stuff like that, and then, you know, when they gave me the opportunity, I couldn't, I couldn't pass it up. So I had to do that. But see,

what did they put you? What if the NFL team say, Dave, we're going to put you, you're going to be on the one yard line and they want you to dot that. I, I'm doing it. So realistically,

so realistically, uh, because for me, honestly, i don't think realistically i don't really know if getting under 400 but i think you can get down to say 420 420 and i think that would give you sustainability now you can play 25 30 30 plays a game is that something realistic is that would uh so what is what is the goal that you have in mind as far as weight and as far as play total that you think that,

you know what, I can be at my absolute best if I get this weight and play this many plays? I'm not really sure specifically, but I know, you know, like along the process,

I'll be able to fill it. You know what I'm saying? Right. As far as play total, same thing. You know, I got to fill it. I played against Tennessee,

which is the fastest offense in the nation all four years so not i mean like this that's not really a worry of mine but at same time i i know i guess the lighter i get the more i can dominate because that's that's you know so i don't know i say i gotta feel it what are the scars tell you go ahead go ahead my man aren't you taking all my questions man go ahead go ahead, Dad. Hey, Dad. I got a two-part question. For one, I want to know how you like Cincinnati. Have you ever been to Cincinnati? How would you like to be part of the Bengals?

Now, I'm not trying to tamper or nothing. I'm just throwing a little birdie out there for you real quick just in case. You know, I talk to people. I talk to management. You know, we need a little help on the defensive line. So, I just want to know if you've been to Cincinnati, do you like it? If you don't like it, I can give you a suggestion on where to go once you get drafted. I've never been to Cincinnati.

You know, I'm from down south. I ain't really been too far up unless you've seen me and I've traveled a little bit. But I don't care who it is. You know, if anybody's trying to put me in a jersey, you feel me? I'm ready for it. Okay, okay. Well, I'm telling you, you look good in stripes. But my second part of my question was, when it comes to defensive tackles,

especially those that are coming out in the draft this year, what do you think it is about you and your game that separates you apart from everybody else and why a team shouldn't want you instead of any other defensive tackles? Why should you be off the board first? I feel like I'm the best right stopper there is. Even with outside, I think I got great technique. Yes, sir.

I pride myself on being the smartest on the D-line or at least knowing the offense and defense I was going against. I think that's really the biggest thing. I pride myself on being able to take a double team and stuff like that and just doing my job. I think me being prideful and doing my job is something that would set me apart from most people. I like it. You heard that Mike Brown, Duke Tobin?

Ha! Yeah. Des, tell me what you've heard as far as day one, day two, maybe, you know, first three rounds, rounds four through seven. What are you hearing and who's shown the most interest in Desmond Watson?

Oh, I did a couple interviews with different teams. Like I said, everybody's outlook isn't the same, apart from my supporters and stuff like that, compared to the NFL scouts. I think they all can agree that I got athletic ability and I'm smart enough to do it. I got the ability, but like I said, that weight is a lot of concern for a lot of teams.

So depending on how much weight I lose, depending on where I could go, you know what I mean? Des, were you always a big kid? How much were you aware of as a child? Were you always a big kid? Yeah, I was always a big kid. But the crazy thing is, I'm the only big one in my family. I come from a family of receivers, running backs. Damn, damn!

I don't know. I think it was just destined for me to play in the interior. Everybody else had all the highlight plays and stuff like that. Like my older brother, 5'9", 165.

You know what I mean? Serious? I'm dead serious. That's dope. That's dope. That's live. That's live. So, you said,

as long as somebody is going to give you a jersey, going to give you the opportunity to live out your childhood dream, which is playing the National Football League. have you thought about what that moment would mean when you get that call and it's somebody to pick up the phone say uh may i speak to desmond like yeah hey let's see desmond we're gonna select we're gonna select you with the next pick and whatever round that is have you thought about what that moment is gonna feel like and how are you

gonna handle that moment how are you gonna respond in that moment oh going to feel like and how are you going to handle that moment? How are you going to respond in that moment? Oh, yeah. I mean, it would mean a lot. But I think in my situation, it still would be more time before I could celebrate it. You know what I mean? Because I think getting an invite to a camp or something like that or getting a call from a team definitely wouldn't be the end for me. You know what I mean? It's going to be more.

I got to make a team. I got to, you know, get it at 53 and then make a play i think my first tackle or something like that in the nfl being a lot more to me than the call would wow wow let me ask you this death so have you hired a nutritionist so what are the steps that you're looking to undertake to make sure you get to that weight maybe it's not a number that they that a team set. Maybe it's a number that Desmond has set for himself. Have you hired a nutritionist? And what are the steps that you're going to take to make sure you get to that number? Yeah, I was training down in Miami, had nutrition and stuff like that.

But after pro day, me and my agent were talking. I get back to work tomorrow, actually, in Tampa. All that type of stuff. You know, nutrition is working out, different types of workouts, therapy, all types of things. You know what I mean? My goal is to play in the NFL and stuff like that

and I know what it takes to do that. So, me and my family, my agent, we're all hands-on trying to get to that goal. Well, listen, whatever that goal may be,

now, we don't have to talk about this online. Now, my resume, it speaks for itself as far as being a nutritionist and being able to provide all the necessary nutrients that you need to either gain or lose weight. So if you want to get in contact with me, it's a way to reach me,

and I can be down in Tampa tomorrow. Yeah, I heard about your meal plan. That's how I got like this in the first place. So I'll keep my good. I'm going to go somewhere else. Yeah, Dad, don't you follow with that foolishness can't do it you you'll be heading the other way dad you'll be heading the other way yeah let me ask you a question when when you was running what did you think did you think you could break six seconds

so in training did you break six seconds in the 40 yeah uh i think maybe like a week or two before that i got five high five seven or something like that. I knew I was going to break it. I feel like we didn't have a lot of time to warm up. Stuff started locking up on me a little bit. You know what I mean? But I definitely could have got a little bit better. Hey, Dad, I don't know if you saw the game,

but did you see the game when I think Baltimore played Pittsburgh? Oh, yeah. And Pierce got that interception. And he was about to take it to the house and he took a knee. Dad, you ain't gonna do that. You're gonna pick. You're going to the house, ain't it? In that situation, you guys are taking a knee. My coach thought the situation was extra.

I can't do it. I don't know how to hold the ball. I know how to talk to people. I don't know how to hold the ball. Dad, you just put it up on the arm and put one hand up in the air. Put it up on the piece of the ball. When people go on for your knees, you ain't think about holding the ball. Don't you ever?

Yeah. He had a clear plan. You're supposed to hit that prime time. Put your hand behind your head, Dan. Start high-stepping on it. I would 20 more, but I ain't that. You know? Hey, I got a question,

and this would be a good one. Mm-hmm. As a defensive tackle yourself, I want you to rank your all-time five greatest defensive tackles that you like or you enjoy watching and maybe that you model your game after or you watch film on.

Who do you think are your top five all-time defensive tackles? All-time, one stop. Oh, that's a good one. These are not people I model my game after. That's like, I'm a little bit different. Aaron, you know. I feel like I'm a little bit different. Aaron. Right, right, right. Of course.

Chris Jones up there. Oh, he nice. All time. It doesn't have to be all time. Just your five friends. You can take that and watch it. Dex Lawrence in there. For sure. Dex? Yeah. He can take Dan Washington. Dex Lawrence in there, for sure.

Dex? Yeah, he can be there before it's over with. And of course, I like to watch a lot, and my game after is Vita Vell. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, you know what? Now you like Vita Vell. Now you know Vita eats McDonald's, man.

I'm just throwing that at you. I'm just telling you. I can't do it. Vita Vell get like 70 M's right now. I can't do it. Hey, tell me, hey, hey, Daz, If you get like 70 M's right now, I can't do it. Hey, tell me. Hey, hey, dads, when you get that second contract, you can treat yourself to some McDonald's. But that first contract is chicken, bread, fish, lean cuts of turkey and stuff like that.

I got you. I like it. Hey, you know what? Some team might get you, dad, just to stop that tush push. You stop the tush push. You going to stop the tush push? I got to. I don't come with this equipment for nothing. You sneak on me since I've been in college.

Let me ask you this, Dad. You had offers from Alabama, Florida State, Kentucky, Michigan, and Tennessee. What made you choose Florida? At the time, when I was coming out of high school, there was an SEC championship. Things were looking right. Of course, I'm from Florida too, but things were looking right. I think it came down to the wire with Florida, Texas A&M, and Alabama.

Texas A&M, I'm not sure why. I didn't think they valued me as much as Florida. And then with that being close to home, I feel like it wasn't a better choice. Okay. So you wanted to stay close to home. You was in Florida. You're a Florida kid. So you're from Tampa.

So Tampa, the games, what's that, an hour drive, 90 minutes? Hour 30. Okay. Oh, that's close. That's real close. Hey, so you're going to the draft next year. Excuse me. You're going to the draft this year.

Now, you know I do the Madden ratings for Madden. So at the Combine, you did the bench press 225. You did it 38 times. I did mine 37 when I was at the Combine. What would you want your strength to be? So I can go ahead and jot it down now. On Madden. Top three.

Top three? I ain't going to say 99, but top three. I'm up there. Okay. So I'll make you 97. I'll take that. Yeah, I got you.

I got you. So your strength is going to be a 97. What about your overall rating? Oh, no. I need to be a run stopper or whatever it is. I need to have

some run stopping abilities. Okay. I got you. I got you. I'm going to put that in. I'm going be a run stopper or whatever it is. I need to have some run stopping abilities. Okay, I got you. I got you. I'm going to put that in. I'm going to do that myself in the system. If I get fired, it is what it is. Dez, we're going to get you out of here on this one.

Your Gators made it to the Final Four. They taking it all? For sure. That last game was the worst game y'all going to see. That was it. And they pulled it off so you know

they get it all the way Dan you who you who to this I did when I was younger but I think it's great when I stopped I can though

you got skilled like that yeah I told y'all I come from family receivers and running backs this footwork is in me you know what I mean it is

man congratulations all the best, Dez. Thank you for joining us for a couple of minutes, giving us a couple of minutes of your time.

We wish you the best of luck. And when you get drafted, come back and holler at your favorite monkey, your favorite number 85. I appreciate y'all.

Hey, don't forget me, Dez, about the nutritionist job. Sure, I got you. Block him, Dez. Block him. Appreciate you, bro. Yes, sir. Hey, that wasz. Block him. Pre-judge it, bro. Yes, sir.

Hey, that was dope. I like that. I like that. Everybody want to see you. Tight as. Everybody want to see what you've been doing. Yes, I see. Tight as. Look in the camera. Tight as.

Like, whoa, whoa. Oh, so you called me? You called me? Oh, Joe. Arizona wide receiver. How you say that name? Teteroa McMillan? Oh.

Oh, Joe. says he doesn't watch football and doesn't like watching game film. I don't like watching game film either. I don't ever watch it by myself because we go over film as a receiver group.

Ocho, is this a big deal or no? I don't think it's a big deal because... Oh, Lord have mercy on Ocho. You asked me a question, right? Yeah. Okay, you asked me it's a big deal. I don't think it's a big deal.

What does he do once you turn the film on? Him, specifically, from an individual standpoint. So watching film is not a big deal? Answer what I just said. When you turn the film on and it's time for him to play, what does he do on the field, regardless of him not watching film? Does he show up in place? Is he productive in what he does?

Okay. I'm asking you. I know a guy had that same thing, Jamarcus Russell. How did that work out for him? I don't know about Jamarcus Russell. You do know about Jamarcus Russell. He was the first number one overall pick. We're not know about Jamarcus Russell. You do know about Jamarcus Russell. He was the first number one overall pick.

We not talk about Jamarcus Russell. We talk about him. This Ocho. So this man ain't got to watch no film. You ain't got to watch film. You asked me,

is it a big deal? I said, no, it's not a big deal. If you produce me, you get your ass on the field. How you going to get mad at my goddamn answer?

Because you're saying stuff, Ocho. You're saying stuff ocho you saying watching film for a receiver is not a big deal um he says he doesn't watch it by himself but he watches it collectively as a group you know in order to be great you gotta watch it on your own so just watch it just so just so just watching it as a group at the team thing that's good enough i'm just i wouldn't make trouble just clarification listen that's him i know what i did oh oh that's why we're asking you you weren't the pro bowler you're saying it's not a big deal wow can i oh hold on hold on let me let me let me ask you something real quick

so watching the film by yourself, right? Yes. Stay with me real quick. Stay with me. You know what you're looking at. You're looking at DB, you're looking at defense. Yes, I'm watching the technique outside.

Do they breathe technique? Do they press bail? What do they do outside, inside? Yes, I'm watching all that. Yes. All that good stuff. Now me and you on the same page, right? Let's say he doesn't watch it as an individual, but he watches it as a group.

He watches it as a group. Once he gets to the next level and he gets out and does what he's supposed to do without watching it individually, is it still a bad thing? I don't believe he's going to. He's still productive. Is it still a bad thing? I don't believe. Me, personally? Oh, you don't think he can get it done because he doesn't watch film by himself? No, no film no no no no there have been guys that watch film and can't get it done i just

saying that but what i'm saying but i'm saying is the intricacies of what you're watching that guy does and certain down and distance because everybody so because i've got to watch a guy that he might play such and such different than what he plays me i need to know it down the distance area of the field how that guy's gonna play because he's gonna play a is he gonna play the sticks is he press bell does he you know is he cluing i need to know all that if i'm not watching tape it's just hard yeah it's just hard for me right now he could he could be that immensely talented that you say, you know what? I'm just going to show up. But I don't know.

I haven't heard any receiver that's worth anything that says, nah, you know, I'm good. Because you got to do it on your own. You got to. You have to. And, you know, when I think about it now, I'm only speaking because when he said he says, he didn't say he didn't watch it at all. He said he watched it as a group. Now, that's one thing. Now, him not doing it individually, I mean, that's on him.

But he was very productive in what he did. And when you turn on the film. He said, I don't ever need to watch it by myself. This is what he said. I don't like watching film either. I don't ever need to watch film by myself because we go over film as a receiver group. Group. Collectively, yeah.

See? Yeah. That's different. My reason for watching film individually is I had no choice. Despite the entertainment, the jokes and the laughter and the celebrations, I was a student of the game. I studied film just like the quarterback. You wanted to be good, Ocho. You wanted to be great.

Oh, great. And you realized that's what it took in order to be great. You realized that just your God-given ability wasn't going to beat enough. Now, that might have gotten you to that point, but what's going to take me to the next level? Next level. With every other receiver is just as talented as I. Yes, sir.

You're right. And so that's what. But Ocho, I've got a point. Everything that's thought doesn't need to be said out loud. Okay. Some things you just keep to yourself. He'll learn it, though. Now, I want you to tell me what you think them 32 NFL teams thinking.

Mm-hmm. You're right. That's what I don't get, Ocho. I don't get, because you know how teams feel. Remember what they put. If it wasn't a big deal, why did they put that clause

in Kyle Murray's contract? Kyle Murray's contract, oh, about gaming? Yeah. Why would you ever say this publicly when you're about to get, O Murray, oh, about gaming? Yeah. Why would you, why would you ever say this publicly when you're about to get, Ocho,

somebody's about to get, you going on a job interview and you tell the people I don't really like coming on time. Oh, yeah. Why would you ever tell the people

that's interviewing you for a job that? Mm-hmm. Get the job first. First, yeah. And then let them figure out that you don't like to bring your ass to work on time. Yeah.

I'm not going to test you. Hey, yeah, you're right. But one thing by Young Bull, you know they interviewing him for a reason. They talking to him for a reason. If you watch him, if you watch him on film, you watch him on tape, oh, he going to get drafted somewhere. Now, the issues and some of the things he already said, oh, they going to fix that.

They didn't have a problem. Because once you get drafted wherever. Now, the issues and some of the things he already said, oh, they're going to fix that. They ain't got no problem. Because once you get drafted, wherever you go, they're going to teach you and let you know, in order to be great, in order to make this 53-man roster, you're going to have to be watching film.

You're going to have to. Because there's a whole different ballgame of one percenters once you do make it. The things you were able to get away with in college you won't be able to get away with it at the next level you won't be able to and one of the edges that you need is up here upstairs yes because you need to know what the db is thinking about doing before he does yeah so oh bro i know this down the distance i don't seen you too many times before i know what's made this technique yeah i already know this down the distance. I done seen you too many times before. I know what's coming. You must play this technique.

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Ocho, three weeks through the draft is a little less than a month away. Ocho, why would you ever say this? Yeah, listen, I don't know. It's something I would have kept to myself. Obviously, I wouldn't say anything like that. But I'm also someone that loves, loves watching film. I love it. I just love it.

I love watching DBs. I love watching the safety and seeing what they're doing based on down and distance. So I had no choice. I talk too much shit not to watch film. I got to know what's coming before it come. I got to. That's the edge I needed. I wasn't physically imposing, you know?

So my one edge was I got to be able to beat you up here before I beat you anywhere else. You're absolutely right. I got to be able to beat you up here. And I'm not even viewed as one of those, one of those type of players that was a student of the game. I'm viewed as just entertainment and fun. Man, you understand the work I had to put in throughout the week to be able to pull off the stuff I was pulling off? The guys are too good. Man, stop playing.

The guys are too good, Ocho. Way too good. The guys are too good. Because you got to, and I want to tell people, everybody at some point in time was an all-state, all-conference, all-American, all this, all that. What's going to set you apart? Now, I'm just saying, Ocho, just because you were all this, all that, that doesn't mean you're going to be great in the NFL. Just because you study film doesn't mean you're going to be great in the NFL. But you need every advantage that you possibly can get

because this is a game of inches. And you being open like you was open in college, that ish ain't going to happen. Unless it's a busted coverage, it ain't happening. Yes. Yes. So this notion that, you know what? Hey, I'm so gifted. And you know what?

A lot of the DBs that you probably went against, they might not be playing on Sunday. On Sundays, yeah. But the guys you're about to go against, all of them going to play on Sunday. Every last one of them. Yeah. I'm just a firm believer, Ocho, especially, and you know how this, let me ask you a question. Those 32 general managers, those head coaches, I want you to tell the people at home what you think they're thinking. Forget what me and you think is a big deal.

Do you think general managers and coaches, do you think they think it's a big deal? Yeah, you know they think it's a big deal because they want you to do everything right. They want you to do everything right. They want you to do everything right. All the things necessary as far as preparation and being ready. Not just for game day, but just for practice. How well do you know your opponent? There's only one way to do that. That's through film study.

But again, you know what happened? I think it's going to be a gem. Wherever you fall to, it's going to be a gem. Wherever he falls to, it's going to be a gem. And if anything, if he does fall in the draft or maybe something like this, if he does fall in the draft, there might be a team.

I hope he falls to us because we can use him. But, you know, at the end of the day, it's something I wouldn't have said. It's something you wouldn't have said. You live and you learn. You live and you learn. You live and you learn

and he'll become a little bit more media savvy with the way he conducts himself when it comes to answering questions. I don't get why you would ever put something that was going to... In every stretch of the imagination, that's like a defensive office

line saying, I don't like lifting weights. How? Fool them. These kids just like say anything and what has happened is that in today's society,

oh, people want to be themselves and then get paid on somebody else's job. How'd that work, Coach O? You hear people all the time. Why I can't be me? Because that's not your job. How'd that work, Ocho? You hear people all the time. Why I can't be me? Because that's not your job.

You not paying you. When you work for your own self, me, if I want to show up late, Ocho, yeah, I could. I own the company. But how's that going to look? Right. You have to set the example.

I have a level of expectation. Be on time. I don't have a whole lot of rules. Just be on time. That's really the only rule that I have. Ooh, I got a great one, too, Uncle. Let me think about this now. If I'm not mistaken, after Patrick Mahomes' second year,

was it the second year you said he didn't watch film? No. And was still great? He said he didn't understand what he was looking at. What he was looking at. Okay. Yeah. Well, hell,

that's the same goddamn thing. You watch it, but don't understand what the hell you watch it, but you still going out there cutting the fool. It wasn't until, like,

because he was, the first year he didn't start. It wasn't until he got with somebody that understood and says, okay, look at this. Yeah. This is going to be your

keys. Because a lot of the, oh, tell me, I went to an HBCU, I didn't know, hey, we ain't watching no film. I ain't going to lie. Right. Watch no film. Because in black college, that's why if you get a corner out of black college, that's why they used to go to black

college and get them, because what could they play? Man coverage. It wasn't no cover two. It wasn't none of that stuff it was man lock up oh man lock up yeah yes so me i would be man coverage so aren't you they go out there run his own hell i'm booking it no no son no no son stop oh oh man he got me that's funny then i started under now all of a sudden no chill i'm like oh man i like this oh this is cheating you give me the answer to the test right i know you're gonna run a couple of coverages that you haven't shown me but for the most part you're going to be true to who you are always i mean every once in a while i was just watching a deer on on ig with eating a with eating a rabbit oh a deer yeah deers don't even eat rabbits oh see every

once in a while he show you something you hadn't seen before so i'm saying the curry once in a while, he show you something you ain't seen before. So I'm saying every once in a while, Lord Cho, you going to show me a coverage I ain't seen before. Right. Hey, that might have been AI you was watching too. No, that wasn't AI. Hey, hey, animals get hungry enough just like you. You get hungry enough, you eat whatever. I eat whatever when I'm not hungry, but go ahead. We already know you eat whatever when I'm not hungry, but go ahead. We already know you eat whatever.

But I just say, Chad, it's just me. I just don't understand why you would ever say that publicly. Everything that you think, people can think a thought is not a crime. A thought is not anything bad. It's the act. It's the once you say it. Why would you say that publicly and you're less than a month away from the draft? So what do you think the people that's drafting you and looking to put millions of dollars in your pocket?

Nah, man. Okay. That's just like, hey, there are some people that's naturally gifted that, you know, didn't have to study for tests and they were good at it.

Yeah. But guess what? Them numbers and them words on the page ain't moving. Mm-mm. When them guys try to put their hand

around your neck and choke you, choke your ass out now you know now you know he's gonna get tested now you come first of all your first round pick we got to test you regardless oh yeah because i gotta see what's all the hype about i need to see why you why you're a first round pick i need to see absolutely i got to see. Absolutely. I got to see. Whatever you come in with your resume, Heisman, Belitnikoff, Thorpe, Nagurski, Outland,

I don't know what you want. But if you got one of them awards, if you a first-round pick, you a high-draft pick, let me see what they talk about, man. Oh, we're going to put you to the test, Ocho. You know that. Every time. We're going to put you to the test. Especially when everybody come together that. Every time. We're going to put you to the test. Hey, especially when everybody come together.

Is it a minicamp? No, OTAs. OTAs, yeah. Yeah, OTAs. Because, you know, they're going to have the draft. So probably like the first week in May. Yeah, you got rookie minicamp. But it might be just all rookies.

It might just be a rookie minicamp. Yeah, it's always rookie camp first. You know, that rookie and first-year players. Not the high draft pick, but the guys that, you know, guys that were on the practice squad. Because, you know, that, you know, guys that were on the practice squad, because, you know, there are a couple of guys that were on the practice squad, Ocho, that didn't get a whole lot of playing time. Those would be the guys that are required to be in.

All the draft picks, the undrafted free agents that they brought in, they're going to bring some undrafted players in to take a look at them and see what they got going on and see if they could potentially be camp bodies or could possibly make a squad. Right. But... Mm-mm. if they could potentially be cow bodies or could possibly make a squad. Right. But I don't know why he said that, bro. Yeah. Damn.

But, bro, I wish you the best. I can't do nothing but wish you the best. If that's your MO and it's gotten you that far, hey. Listen, it's gotten him this far. It's going to change, though.

He'll understand that. They'll explain that to him. And I don't think it will really, I don't think it will hurt in draft stock because if they want him bad, if they want him bad enough and there's a spot for him based on what they've seen on film

during his collegiate career, they'll get him in there and fix the situation. Now, if you're coming here, you're not going to do this. This is what you're not going to do when you come here. Your best players are your hardest workers. That's when you get a Michael Jordan, you get a Kobe, you get a LeBron, you get a Brady, you get a Peyton Manning, you get an Adrian Peterson,

you get a Ray Lewis. That's what you get. You get a Jamar Chase. That's what you get. You get a Jamar Chase. That's what you get. Guys that are immensely talented, work extremely hard, go the extra mile to be great because it's just not

good enough. I don't want to be good. I want to be great. I'm trying to be transcendent and historically great. Because when I'm done, I want you to talk about me. when I'm done, I want you to talk about me. When I'm done, I want you to say,

this guy, you know who this guy reminds me of? He reminds me of Jamar Chase. This guy reminds me of Ray Lewis. This guy reminds me of Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White

or Tom Brady. That's what you want. Let me say, some guys say, I played in the NFL five, six, seven years. I played 10 years. Made me a nice salary. God, I did what I wanted to do. It all depends on the individual. What do you want your legacy to be in a given sport?

I mean, some people, you know, some people, just like anything, some people find, hey, being on the job, collecting a check, that's it. Hey, I'm working the same position. I don't want to move up. Because more responsibility comes when you move up, Ojo. I like this right there. I come in, put my eight, nine hours in, go home. Yeah.

Nah, hell nah. That ain't me. Also, Tyreek Hill and Miami Dolphins seemingly patched things up after a rough end to the season, but he posted some cryptic emojis in response to trade speculation. Reek posted a handful of cryptic posts responding to trade speculation. Peace sign. Why doesn't he just officially ask for trade you think tyreek is happy in miami i mean i i would think so i think he's happy with the weather i think he's happy with no taxes i don't think he's quite happy with his quarterback situation yeah man that that's a tough

one that's a tough one because didn't tyreek just lead in it lead the nfl what not just what two years ago yeah it wasn't like yeah before you let the league receive it yeah with the same quarterback right yes same quarterback so it shouldn't be an issues it shouldn't be any issues uh but what's been the issue with the quarterback oh he's been injured. Oh, okay. Okay. I see what you're saying. That's tough.

That's tough. I'm not sure how Tyreek is feeling. I've talked to him on numerous occasions, but I like to stay away from stuff like that, especially, you know, seeing dudes, you know, in the offseason.

I know they don't want to talk about no football. They got to do it all the goddamn time. So I think for me, the situation is good. I would love to be in Miami. I would love to be in Miami and hope that Tua can stay upright, you know, this upcoming year. He can stay healthy.

And we know what Tua can do with Tyreek and Waddle if he's upright and healthy. And that's been the main issue. It's hard, Ocho, when the quarterback is injured frequently and getting timing with a quarterback. You got one week. So I got three weeks with Tyreek. I got three weeks with Tua.

Then I got a week, maybe two weeks with another guy. Then I got seven weeks with Tua. Then I got another two, maybe two weeks with another guy. Then I got seven weeks with Tua. Then I got another two, three weeks. Oh, so it's hard. You know, it's hard to build chemistry

with, you know, think about what it took for you to get on the same page with Carson. Carson, yeah. And I don't care, you're not going to get

on that same page because you and Carson, y'all, there was a look that you could give Carson or Carson could give you and you knew exactly what the children was thinking. We knew what to do.

Yeah. That came from years and years of practice, being in the game. He understand that you run certain routes, the way you, oh, Ocho Lina, he about to break. I'm a thorn, but I know he about to break. I know he about to snap this off. Oh, oh,

I see him. He about to come. He about to put that foot in the dirt. He about to come right back to me. There's certain things, and you know, oh, he finna throw this ball. Oh, this cover? Oh, yeah, I'm getting this one. You already? Oh, I'm getting this one. I don't care what it's called. I'm getting this ball. I'm getting this ball.

Oh, he throwing to me. David Fisher said, Fans Nation would be open to trading Tyreek. Tyreek smile. Probably Tyreek Hill said something and he gave you both EKP sign. Well, listen, you know, these speculations and these rumors,

you know, they always come from somewhere, right? Oh, yeah. They always come from somewhere. And so funny, the draft ain't too long, ain't too far away. So do you think it's possible we might see a trade of some sort on draft day or maybe after and move and wreak somewhere else? I believe it happens. Okay, if it's going to happen, I believe it happens on draft day.

I don't believe it happens after the draft. Because then what? Because you want the draft compensation. You want to be able to pick them. You know, I want to be able to go in the draft and get somebody. Obviously, it's going to be multiple picks, maybe this year or a second or a third or whatever the case may be. And even next year. But I want to get some of the compensation this year.

Right. So if it's going to happen, it's going to happen probably right before the draft or during the draft. I mean, hypothetically speaking, where would be a great place for Tyreek to go? Back to Kansas City. Back to Kansas City? That's what you just said? Yeah, that's what you said.

Yeah, you have to go to a great place for him to go. Look, Tyreek, look, with Tyreek's skill set, any place is a great fit. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. All you got to do is know how to use them the right way. Yeah. Know how to use them the right way, and boy, all hell going to break loose.

Ocho, he like leggings. He fit, hey, it don't matter that they're leggings. Skinny, medium, large, extra large, it don't matter, leggings fit. Yeah, it don't matter, leg is thick. Yeah, it don't matter. He's legging. He can go anywhere in bed. Right.

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