Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Harbaugh hip surgery, Deshaun damning article, Jerry going solo

Episode Date: January 16, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Los Angeles Chargers HC Jim Harbaugh having hip surgery in the offseason and Unc gloats about calling this weeks ago. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss a recent article in the Athletic about Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson being a negative presence and couldn’t be held accountable, Jerry Jones reportedly conducting the team’s HC search solo and much more!03:19 - Show start04:28 - Intro07:30 - Harbaugh to get hip surgery17:04 - DeShaun Watson26:34 - Myles Garrett30:10 - Steelers42:22 - Shedeur approves of Prime becoming Cowboys coach46:26 - Fans commenting on Davonte’s ig to come back to Green Bay50:41 - Groom surprises bride with Bills tickets during vows54:22 - Wemby’s jersey swap with kid goes on sale(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ocho, before, before we go to Ocho, Ocho, I want to read a report by Jim Harbaugh. Chargers head coach Jim Harbaugh said today that he have a cardio ablation this offseason and hip replacement surgery. Ocho, remember I was having a conversation with you? I said, I know that walk.

I've seen that walk several times. And you did say that not long ago on the show. Ocho, I know that walk several times. And you did say that not long ago on the show. Ocho, I know that walk. I know I got to have that walk for the better part of three years. It's painful, huh? What? Hold on.

Wait a minute now. Wait a minute. If he's getting the surgery, if he's going to get it now, what's the timetable as far as healing? And will he be able to coach? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He'll be fine. He'll be fine. I mean, Ocho, I had the surgery surgery the first surgery i had on a wednesday i had on a saturday um i was doing

squats and lunges that following thursday what oh yeah oh yeah oh it ain't no now for me they uh uh the pt told me say take a little, take a little, some Ambien, you know, not Ambien, Ambien. Take some pain medicine. So I took a couple of Tylenol, something like that. Because he said, we're going to put it through. He's going to be a little painful. You got to realize, Ocho, you got that incision. And you got the surgery, the artificial hip that's in there.

Right. You know, you're going to have to bite down. You know, I had a towel. I had to bite down on that towel, Ocho, because there's tears rolling down your boy's eyes. But I knew sometimes people wait too late. Right. And it gets, you know, you don't get that flexibility in there.

I wanted the flexibility immediately. And so I had to bite the bullet. But, you know, Ocho, as a professional athlete, you know we have stuff like that. You don't know what it's like to be injured. And so you probably hadn't had to do a bullet. But you know, Ocho, as a professional athlete, you know we have stuff like that. You don't know what it's like to be injured and so you probably hadn't had to do a whole lot of rehab other than a little sprained ankle. But if you've had surgery, if you've

gone through things, you kind of know what it's like. And so, it only took me, Ocho, I was back working out. They normally say, okay, six weeks. I was back working out in four weeks. But I was squatting four days, five days after I actually had the surgery. Squattinging so hold on i'm confused now now after you get these surgeries now uh are the rods or whatever they put in place are they there so what happened

does it affect you when you're in cold weather or no no there's there's you will never have pain in that because there there's no bone there's nothing to be arthritic. So you're going to be great. And like the doctor told me, he said, you won't believe how well you feel after you have this surgery. Everybody that's ever had this surgery that I've spoken to, they rave about it. They rave about it. If you have hip pain, and the thing is Ocho some people young as as Titus I see you buddy uh some people as young as 27 28 are having total hip

replacement at 27 28 huh yeah that thing if it gets chronic if it gets bad enough Ocho oh you get it done because I put it off Ocho I got the injection I got the steroid injection I got all that stuff Ocho but eventually that pain got then it kept felt like they was giving me a placebo it didn't even do anything the the pain medication that they was injecting in there the steroid it wasn't doing anything to help so uh I just did I just did that and uh got it done with but coach Harbaugh you're gonna to be just fine being the next professional athlete like yourself and being as hard-headed as you are. I know you're going to put the time into rehab

and you'll be back up and running. You'll be glad you had this surgery. I promise you, that pain that you feel, I don't know if he's taking any pain medication, but the pain that he feels, he won't feel it anymore. I promise you that, Ocho. Hold on. I'm still thinking about that.

You talk about people that's 27, 28, probably never played contact sports, never played at the highest level as far as NFL is concerned. How do you have hip problems at such an early age? Sometimes it's degenerative. Sometimes it's degenerative.

You just born with it. You know, look, my sister had both of hers. She ain't never played no surgery. She ain't never played no surgery. She ain't never played no football. She ain't played volleyball, tennis, nothing. Nothing, nothing. Had both of them replaced.

My brother had his replaced. About to have a knee replaced. I've had both of mine replaced. Obviously, if you're a professional athlete, the bounding out of the jumper, a triple jumper and a long jumper in high school, played sports since I was nine years of age, obviously. All that pounding up and down playing basketball all those years obviously yes but sometimes you know you just you

know you're just boring i mean think about all the people that never played a sport that's having knee replacement or hip replacement right it just it just happened but like i said sometimes sometimes it's a situation where you have an accident, a car accident, a motorcycle accident, and the hip is destroyed. You got to get another one. Sometimes it's degenerative. You just never know. But I just know you're glad you do because once you have that surgery, I know you're glad you are. Glad you did because it's so damn painful.

Right. Now, I don't mean to be in anybody's personal business. I don't mean to be in your pockets. Now, when we talk count i don't mean to be in your pockets now when we talk about these type of surgeries what type of money we talking about uh mine uh this was i had my first one i'm trying to think i think i had my first one in in july of 2020 yeah like 104 000 oh man oh man hell no hey that hip don't have to stay Like 104,000? Oh, man. Oh, man. Hell no. Hey, that hip don't have to stay like that. No, it won't. Oh, no.

You see how Jim Harbaugh walking? Hold on. He's about like $140,000 American dollars? Yeah. But here's the thing, Ocho. The longer you walk like that, now you wear down that knee. Now you mess up the other side because the body is like a car. When the shocks go bad on one side, if you don't get it replaced,

it mess up the rear end. Now your alignment is messed up. Now something else is thrown off. The body is meant to work simultaneous. Now if something is catching, this side has worked. Now it's got to compensate for the side that's not working properly. Yeah, but come on. Listen, in this economy, you know, think about the price point you just said.

You took about $104,000 American dollars, not peso, but American dollars. Everybody ain't got that, huh? Yeah, I mean, a lot of times it's older people, and then maybe you get Medicaid, Medicare, whatever. I'm very fortunate that obviously, you know, I had medical insurance, but they don't pay for they don't pay for it all. And so I had to come out of my pocket, which was no problem. I'm glad I was able to be able to because even if I didn't have medical insurance, I would have been able to afford it. But fortunately, I did have medical insurance and I was able to offset some of the costs. But you understand that. But it's some things, Ocho, you just can't. And that's why I feel bad for people that don't have medical insurance or don't have

the proper medical insurance because, you know, you get some diagnosis and then the insurance want to pay for half and don't pay. It'll bankrupt you. The quickest way to lose wealth is health care. Yeah. If you don't have it, I mean, some of these procedures cost a half a million,

a million, two million dollars and you got drugs that's costing 20,000 a month. Who gonna pay for that? Hold on. What procedure costs

almost 500,000 to a million? Man, hey, you start having them transplants, lung, you start having kidney.

Oh yeah, for sure. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then medicine. I mean, you get these certain kind of cancers, though, children, the medicine is $25,000 a month. Who got you for $25,000 a month?

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These are the most damning excerpts. Coach Stefanski, I think he's a two-time NFL coach of the year, showed Watson clips from the offense during their meeting in March of 22, demonstrating how Watson could thrive in a wide zone play-action scheme crafted by Gary Shkubiak and Mike Shanahan. But after he arrived in Cleveland, Watson never embraced Stefanski's system. He wanted to be in shotgun,

and Stefanski wanted him to understand the play-action, a more effective component. According to multiple players, those mistakes weren't pointed out in film session, frustrating at least a few veterans who believe Stefanski wouldn't criticize Watson in front of the team when Jameis Winston placed Watson after he tore his Achilles. Players said Stefanski returned pointing out the quarterback's mistake in film session. Players told me there was a constant

heaviness surrounding Watson in the locker room and they felt different energy in the building departure after his Achilles injury in October. A couple of veterans told me it felt like a cloud had been lifted for three years the browns consorted themselves to match watson's strength and desires but teammates ultimately grew tired of the organization catering to his ineffective quarterback and never really fit in cleveland he received at least one death threat. Can I ask you a question? Yes. All this time, why all this coming out now?

Just curious. But here's the thing, Ocho. You asked a question. Remember you asked this question? Yeah. You say, why everybody else look effective in the offense other than Deshaun? Right.

Look at the offense they ran with the other guys and look at the offense offense other than Deshaun. Look at the offense they ran with the other guys and look at the offense they ran with Deshaun. You should have had your answer. As I'm reading this, you should have had the answer to the question that you were asking. Other guys were receptive of the type of offense that was going to be run. One guy wanted to run a specific type of an offense that he was so comfortable with in Houston. Now, for me, I'm a firm believer, Ocho.

If you get a guy in free agency, you probably should do what he did where he was in order to get the max out of him. Exactly. But the problem is, is that that's not what I teach. I can't teach you a subject that I don't know. Oh, if I'm a history teacher, Ocho,

I can't teach you math. Let me, let me interject real quick. Go ahead. If you see Deshaun Watson have success in Houston and understand he was able to do more with less and he had success where at that time when he wasn't Houston, he was considered a top five quarterback. What he was able to do in said offense.

So if you're bringing them in and you're paying him, what you're paying him guaranteed money. Why not as a coach coach as an officer coordinator make sure you scheme and plan around whatever his strengths are and what he did offensively in houston to make sure you get the same exact effect and result and product when he's in cle. Not say, you know what? No, I have my own offense that I want to run. I have something that we're going to run that I created, my scheme, my plays, and we want you to fit into that mold.

If that's not what he does, that's playing to his weakness, not his strengths. Can I ask you a question? Could Deshaun teach him that? When Peyton went to Denverver he taught him that offense he taught him what he knew when brady went to when brady went to tampa he taught him what he so could deshaun teach it now mike when rg3 that's really not the system that mike wanted to run but mike went down to rg went down to baylor he talked to art brows he studied a lot of tape and he implemented a system that was going to be conducive to what rg3 was good at but even though even though that was the system that rg35 then he wanted to be payton he wanted to35 did, he wanted to be Peyton. He wanted to be Brady.

He wanted to be Drew Brees. Now, RG3 is going to disagree and say that's not the case. But I've got confirmation. Yeah. That was the case. So the question is, Ocho, can you teach someone the system that you do? Could you teach it? Right. Because that's what Brady did. Could you teach it? Right.

Oh. That's what Brady did. That's what Manning did. Mm-hmm. Kevin Stefanski knows what he knows. He knows this system works. Right. It works.

There's no question. It didn't work with Deshaun, though. Yeah. It worked with Deshaun. But he never tried to embrace it. At least give it a try. Hell, hey. What did you promise?

Hey, I don't like this. You ain't even tried it. Boy, eat that food and see if you like it first before you turn your nose up at it. Hey, especially vegetables. Especially vegetables. Look, it's not working. And it's too late to turn back now. Yes, sir.

So even if you put him in a system, I just believe there's too much damage that has been done to his body. Second Achilles. Yeah. He's going to miss 26. He's going to miss 25. Yeah. If you think about Ocho, he's played what in the last three,

four years, the man might've played an entire season. That's if you, that's if you put the games together together, right? He might've played. So what was that? In 21 21 he didn't play 22 he missed a part of the game 23 he missed a large chunk and he damn near missed all 24 so remember in 21 he didn't play at all oh joke he was on he i mean

he was healthy but he didn't play yeah he didn't yeah you can't get nothing out about not playing i don't care what he preserved his body but no your body needs to go through that your body needs to drop back your body needs to feel these guys you got to duck and dodge and you got to keep your eyes downfield right it's just i just think the best thing for deshaun and and and and i hate to say this i think it's just time for them to part ways, Ocho. You think so? It is. He's never, he's, as much as I wanted to see it, he's never going to be what he was in Houston. Can I ask you something?

Yes. How old is Deshaun Watson, O? 30? I don't even think he's 30 yet, O. 29. 29. Yes. 29- 29. Yes. 29-year-old quarterback.

You can't sit him out there to the pastures already. No, I'm saying Cleveland cut ways. I'm not saying he should be done with the league. Oh, okay. I was going to say it. No, no, no, no. Cleveland should be done. But, Ocho, that's an awful lot coming back off those two.

Two Achilles, Ocho. Not one, two. Yeah. And he hadn't played a whole lot. Think about it, Ocho. He's going to play less than, what, 15 games in a five-year span. He missed basically all of 24. He's going to miss all of 25.

He missed all of damn near 23. Half of 22. He didn't play all in 21. So he coming up to 26. Ocho. Think about if somebody asked you, Ocho, we're going to let you play five games this year, five games next year. But the previous year, you're going to miss the entire season.

And the year after that, you're going to play two games. And then you're going to miss the entire season. And you'll come back off the injury. You're not going to be the same, Ocho. Your need to be you need to be able to do that thing you got to be able to see it i got if you're not doing that ocho you lose that yeah i mean that's crazy when you think about think about the quarterback the quarterback position like that, too. It's all repetition because, A, it's situations that you've been in. You start to lose those fighting senses.

They don't tingle the same. Yeah. That's why it's hard for a guy to go to the bench and come back in, Ocho, because you're used to dodging that. You're used to seeing that. And now all of a sudden they take that away from you. It takes you a while to get it back. Now, think about you going away for five, four and a half years and played 13, 14 games in that span.

Coming off of two. Now, that's the most serious injury. Hold on. And the funny thing about it, not only the two Achilles injury, it's the same ankle at that. Same Achilles. But here's the thing, Ocho. What made him dynamic?

It was his athleticism. Athleticism. How much athleticism you think he's going to have? Because he didn't look the same, Ocho, when he got in, and he didn't have no injuries to his lower extremities. Right. And that's sad, when he got in and he didn't have no injuries to his lower extremities. Right. And that's sad, man, just in general.

It's hard to get that back, Ocho, because you stay in a boot and you know it's just like anything. That muscle starts to atrophy. That calf muscle starts to atrophy. Right, right. And other parts of the body start to compensate. Compensate. Ugh. I just feel bad

uh miles garrett says the browns are closer than people think to contend it i've talked to jim andrew berry about what's going to make the most of the talent that's here we're closer than some people think we are no you're not no you're not not without a quarterback did he really quote that did he that's what he said that's what i mean we got it in parentheses so that's what he said i don't believe that man listen see the quotation excuse me we just we just talked about players being pc being pc and not truthfully saying how they really feel you know you understand the landscape of the nfl you look at all the teams that are in the playoffs right now, I mean, obviously, it's about offense, it's about defense, but all

the teams in the playoffs have what? What's the one common denominator every team in the playoffs? Quarterback. A quarterback. You know, don't fool yourself. You had a merry-go-round and carousel of quarterbacks all season long. You're not going to be able to

compete, let alone in the AFC North, until you get a consistent quarterback, a good one at that. I think Miles is in line for a contract extension, a big one. Hey, Unc, if he's in line for a contract extension, he don't want to get it in Cleveland. That's not where he want to get it. Hey, look, I get it in Cleveland that's not where he want to get it hey he look I get it I get

what he's saying you know they drafted him number one overall they paid him they've been good by him but I don't think they're close he thinks they are I don't think they are what so hold on what what what pick are they in the draft who could it possibly get and if you go if you go to Cleveland

when you see the success that Baker Mayfield is having in Tampa, Cleveland too? Oh, Cleveland, they pick number two, won't you? Okay. They pick number two. Where they going? Quarterback. Cam, what you doing?

You know, man, you think Prime, come on now. now no i don't think prime will probably think prime wants your door to go there i do not prime prime will intervene like rt manning did huh don't oh the mox have been taking cam ward okay well hold on if they got to take Cam Ward, who picked first? Titans. Okay. Okay. So Shador basically to the Titans. Because I'm sure they're very upset with Will Levis,

and they don't like how that's done. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yes, yes, yes, absolutely. Okay. I can see that. I can see that. Okay. Okay. So who picks third? Giants. Giants. Okay, I can see that. I can see that. Okay, okay.

So who picks third? In New England? Giants. Giants. The Giants? Yeah. Oh, my goodness. So that means... They might get to take a quarterback in free agency

and then take Travis Hunter at three. Yeah, I was just going to say that. Ooh, Travis Hunter. Hey, Travis Hunter and that. Yeah, I was just going to say that. Ooh, Travis Hunter. Hey, Travis Hunter and that. Ooh. Ooh. That's going to be nice. Mm-hmm.

Can you imagine? I mean, Travis Hunter, I would hope. What position would he get drafted at? Who? A DB or receiver? DB. Hey. It's easier to create packages for an offensive player

than a package for a defensive player. Right. Hey, can you imagine being in the Big Apple and how big being in that market can be for him? Yeah. Woof. That's going to be nasty work. That's nice.

Oh, Joe. Woo. Okay. that's gonna be that's gonna be nasty work that's nice oh choo okay russell wilson and arthur smith reportedly had trouble working with one another with unsubstantiated rumors that smith preferred fields reports surfaced during the year that offensive coordinator arthur smith preferred fields over wilson but was never but that was never substantiated. Still, despite Wilson and Smith spending countless hours together after typical workday watching film and publicly joking about it, a teen source recently said that Wilson and Smith did not have a very good working relationship, but fought through their differences as best they could. Reports also surfaced that George Pickens showed up late to their Christmas game, Christmas Day game,

arriving at the stadium some 25, 35 minutes late. I think he arrived, he's supposed to be there two hours before the game, and he arrived about an hour and 25 minutes before the game. Pickens showed up late to practice and games countless times now in his young career. It is believed the Steelers will move on from George Pickens

this offseason. With moving on from Wilson and Pickens, this offseason be the best move for the Steelers. I think for Pick, I think a change of scenery would be good. Not only a change of scenery, but being able to sit down

and talk to somebody being able to sit down and talk to somebody that's your job yeah I got you I got you being able to sit down and talk to a veteran

player and getting them to understand that the years these years do go by fast you know these opportunities do go by fast right now

while you're not even close to your prime yet you gotta get right got to get right. You got to get right on the right track because they will tolerate you. Like you always say, they will tolerate you until they can replace you. And Pickett needs to understand that as great as you are, as good as you are, as much potential as you possess, we got to get that on the right track. We got to channel that energy.

We got to channel that NBA, NFL young boy energy in the right direction. We got to channel it in the right direction. We got to put the energy into the game, into our craft, into wanting to be the best and being able to live up to your full potential. And I think a change of scenery would be good for Pickens, especially getting them in the right place after having someone like myself and some other veteran NFL receivers to talk to them and to get them to understand what these years go by fast and they won't tolerate you for so long, you know? Oh, Joe.

As far as the situation, go ahead. I was going to say your best friend, and everybody knows what I think of T.O. Yeah, that's my dog. You ain't got T.O. ability. Look at T.O. T.O. was catching for 1,315 touchdowns, and they moved on.

Yeah. Let that sink in. Now, the guy that they replaced Jerry Rice with, San Francisco said, no, we done. Philly, look at what T.O. Go back and look at T.O. T.O. had like and look at T.O. T.O. had like 15 touchdowns, and he missed three games with that broken ankle.

Yeah. Then he was halfway through the season. He had another 700 yards. He's on pace to have 1450 on the yard. Philly said, no, no, we done. Dallas. He goes to Buffalo, and he's having a better season than everybody there. I don't know if moles was still there.

I think Peerless Price was still there, but Peerless might've been grown. T.O. had almost a thousand yards there. Hell, he came to Cincinnati and cut a fool out there with me. He almost had a thousand yards until he tore his knee up. And with that kind of ability, T.O. should have been able to get at least at bare minimum two more years.o was supposed to be able to steal two years just because he teo and the numbers that

he put up prior to that yeah the real deal all the other receivers all the other receivers were able to steal a couple years yeah why couldn't he and that's what george doesn't understand bro and the word gonna get out look at deontontay Johnson just bouncing around, don't you? He's going from the Steelers to Carolina to Pitt, from Steelers to Carolina to Baltimore to Houston. Houston back to Baltimore. See? Yeah.

I got to know. I'm going to get into it. I'm going to get it. Matter of fact, not just Pickens, too. Jermaine Burton? Yeah. You definitely need to get him because that's your neck of the woods. I got to reel them boys in, man.

I got to reel them in because, listen, I had the fun. I had the fun while I was playing. Right. But my drive and my motivation and my energy was so locked in, into my craft, into what I'm doing, where nothing else mattered outside. Nothing else. So I was able to get away with having the fun and doing all the celebrating because I put in the work behind the scenes. I put in the work. I didn't just wait.

But nobody said, Ocho, Ocho, you got to play. Come on, Ocho, man. You got to run that route. Come on said Ocho Ocho you gotta play come on Ocho man you gotta run that route come on Ocho ain't nobody say that nah nah nah yeah maybe the antics

about celebrating but hell you done got the ball in the end zone so celebrate they didn't say come on Ocho you gotta block that guy

come on Ocho you gotta jump on that fumble bro you just gotta come on bro you gotta give it some effort they didn't say that even T.O. nobody complained about T.O.'s effort on the field.

Absolutely not. You can't. Oh, no. I mean, go back and check the tape that he's running. He's throwing a block for Garrison Hurst on that 96-yard touchdown run. I remember that. Blocking all the way down the field. You never questioned T.O.'s effort.

Now, maybe his attitude. Maybe people had a problem with the coaches staff and organizations had a problem with his attitude that's what I'm talking about even with T.O.'s effort it couldn't trump the attitude that teams got tired of

and that's what I'm Pickens make this bro you got a chance to make 200 million dollars before you done he wanted him well

where he Ocho can you I want you to ask answer me this where does Pickens think he can go and make 200 million dollars in the real world Well, Ocho, I want you to answer me this. Where does Pickens think he can go and make $200 million in the real world? He plan on being Pablo Escobar?

El Chapo? Hey, I got him. I'm a really man. I'm a really man. Watch him next year, though. I show Ocho, Ocho. Watch him. Anyway, back also, back to

the Arthur Smith. Back to the Steelers and Russ. Yeah, listen. Most of the time, quarterbacks, coordinators, and head coaches, most of the time they get along. They do. Most of the time they get along. Even if you don't, you have one

goal in mind. Correct. When you have one goal in mind correct come on when you have one goal in mind sometimes you know what everybody ain't gonna everybody ain't gonna be your friend everybody gonna get along that's not the way it works now even though it would make for a better relationship you are there for one common goal right we want to win games and compete and do our best to get our ass to goddamn New Orleans. Correct. That's it. It definitely works better. It definitely helps if y'all do get along, though. Yeah, it definitely helps.

It definitely helps. But I'm trying to understand. Russell Wilson came in and had success when he took over for Justin Fields. We didn't hear any gripes. We didn't hear any issues. So even if they didn't get along, whatever it may be, it was working just fine. Now, towards the end, they lost the last five.

They lost the last five games. They made the playoffs, went home in the first round. Now, all of a sudden, because maybe you're saying because you lost, you know, the last five, or maybe the relationship had a strength. No, because it was doing just fine as far from a productive standpoint. We were winning games. What happened? What did you say?

What's the best deodorant for a phone killer locker room? Winning? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. A winning cure is all. Until you start to lose. Yeah.

When you're losing, it magnifies everything. It magnifies everything. So are they going to move on from Russell Wilson now? Do you think a change of scenery is good for him at this point? And do they come back and do you pay Justin Fields?

Because it was only a one-year deal. Well, he's still on his rookie deal. He's still, huh? He was still on his rookie deal. So this is his fifth-year option coming up right now. Ooh, okay. So they got him for the low. They do? They got him for the low. They do?

They got him for the low coming up this year. Well, maybe, depending on what happens. Ain't no telling what they going to do. You don't know how Mike Tomlin's thinking. You hear rumors about him leaving and being traded. It's so much. Titus, get off him under there. Titus.

Titus, chill, man, or I choke you out. He on one tonight, him and Teddy. Teddy, you bothering him. I know. Yeah, it's tough, Ocho, when you lose because people start looking at, okay, this is why we lost, instead of saying, you know what, we just weren't good enough. Right.

I don't give a damn if Arthur Smith and Russell Wilson was best friends and they're going out to lunch every night and they take a turn eating dinner

at each other's house. They weren't beating the Baltimore Ravens. Oh, yeah. None of that mattered. None of that mattered. They need more playmakers on the offensive side

of the football. They don't have nearly enough. And if you look at it, their defense down the stretch wasn't as vaunted as it was in the beginning. No, it wasn't. And most of the time, their identity had always been their defense. Yes. But they were a no-show against King Henry.

They were a no-show. I was able to watch some of the film today, you know, some of the All-22, you know, when I was at the end of the film today you know some of the all 22 you know when I was at them holes were so big he was running through man listen and I'm looking at the

I'm looking at the backers I'm like come on now the play fake wasn't that good for you to oh so you oh you

you know hey they was falling they was falling the play fake wasn't that good for you to move that far out the goddamn hole. Well, you know, it'd just be you and 22. Come on now.

Oh, well, no. But Lamar was faking the ball. They were like, oh, Lamar got it. They gone. And that one that Henry had. Yeah. Come on, bro. Hey, back and move right out.

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Ocho, the door Saturn's approve of his father, Dion becoming the next head coach at the Dallas Cowboys. I think it would be cool. Jerry Jones is reportedly conducting team's head coach search solo. Cowboys is expected to interview Robert Sala. If reports are to be true, he interviewed Leslie Frazier

or he called Leslie Frazier at some point during the day? Well, I think Leslie Frazier would be better as the defensive coordinator as opposed to a head coach. What do you think? Man, look here. I honestly don't believe Jerry Jones

is hiring a black guy as the head coach. That's just me. You know, he's checking the boxes he's checking the boxes part of the Rooney rule remember he brought Marvin in last year

yeah before he hired McCarthy yeah can I say something real quick yes and Ryan spoken

at the day in depth about the Rooney rule and how these coaches how these owners know they don't want to hire minority coaches

but what they do like Robert Kraft did with Pep Hamilton and By leftwich yep not even in football but you know what we're gonna do we're gonna bring them in anyway and check the boxes that's why that's why aaron glenn was like hey you ain't finna play i ain't good i don't need a free trip you're not finna play me like that i know you're not hiring me what you're doing is you're meeting the goddamn quota you're gonna bring me in interview me and you already know you're doing is you're meeting the goddamn quota you're going to bring me in interview me and you already know you're going to hire somebody else.

You knew to hire Brayboy in the first place. Correct. But anyway that's a whole other story. I ain't going to open up that can of worms either. Right.

Now it's reported that Jerry Jones pitched to Mike McCarthy about having Jason Witten on his staff. So Witten could be coaching waiting again.

See what I said, Ocho? You hired somebody and then you telling him how to fill out his staff. Right. Normally coaches. Okay. I got my guys. I've hired a staff. I like this guy's D coordinate.

I've worked well with him. Right. Running back coach, blah, blah, blah. I don't need you telling. And it's been reported. Now, I don't know if this is true. Jane Slater, she knows all things Cowboys. She's reporting that Jerry wanted Mike McCarthy to slash his staff.

Huh? Cut the coach. Cut some of the coaches. I mean, would he cut some of the coaches to save money? Yes. Cut them. Yes. Because remember, Jerry likes for his coaches to save money? Yes. Cut him. Yes. Because remember,

Jerry likes for his coaches to coach on incentives. He pays far below market value. Right. Now, the market value for a head coach now is about $10 million a year, Ocho. That's kind of the going rate.

He tried to pay five. Hold on. Wait. Bring that back to me again. Now, the going rate for the head coach is 10 million, or you mean the coaches collectively... No, no. The going rate for head coach is about 10 million.

Okay. He tried to pay five. You can't do that. Jared says... Hey, Jared says, Cow't, you can't do that. Jerry says, Hey, Jerry say, uh, Cowboys, you can't.

Uh, he can't get out his own way. He can't, he can't help it. You can't get, like I said, look, when I,

when I, when, when somebody report, when James Slater's reporting, I take it, I take it to heart about the Cowboys. When Mary Kay Cabot, when she's talking about Cleveland, now, whatever she said about the Cleveland Browns, take it to your bank the Cowboys. When Mary Kay Cabot, when she's talking about Cleveland,

now whatever she say about the Cleveland Browns, take it to your brain. Cash it in. Cash it in. Cash it in. Damn, man. Jerry's on this solo mission. Jerry, look, like I said, you see what Jerry likes to do, Ocho.

He likes to put you in a situation where he knows you're going to say no. He knows that he wasn't going to accept that. Oh, you want me to have this guy coaching waiting? He's probably going back telling you everything that I'm doing. So basically, that's Jerry's eyes. Because when Jerry's not there, which is all the time, now I got eyes and ears there to tell me everything that's going on. Right.

No. He knew Mike McCarthy was there to tell me everything that's going on. Right. No. He knew Mike McCarthy was going to say no to that. Yeah. He know what he's doing. It's all a game, man. Ocho, fans have been commenting on the Devontae Adams Instagram

begging him to come back to Green Bay. Right to Green Bay. Did you see a scenario where Devontae goes back to Green Bay? Probably not. Probably not. Well, maybe. Maybe. Because I think Christian Watson is going to miss,

maybe miss most of 2025 being that he got injured late in the season. So I think having Devontae Adams come back as a veteran presence with Dobbs and Wicks and Reed and those young fellas, I think that would be dope. That would be nice. You know what Devontae's going to want? Devontae's going to want $25, $30 million. You paying that for a veteran presence? I think the ghost somewhere where you know the quarterback situation is intact.

Yes. A good quarterback situation. I think they can work something out. It might not be 30, 35 million. And, you know. And that's the case. That's what. It all depends on what Devontae is willing to pay for.

Right. Play, excuse me. Play for. Play for, yeah, yeah. Because, you know, they got. Look, Christian Watson's down, but for yeah yeah because you know they got they look christian watson's down but they got dobs and they got they got a read they got a lot of receivers weeks yeah they got some boys they got a lot of receivers on you got some boys not they don't have a davante adams now no yeah they don't have that not even at 30 or whatever whatever

davante adams age is but i'm just saying that good veteran presence that you know that can be consistent at getting open consistently would be a nice addition to that offense, especially for Jordan Love as a target and a security blanket. I like that. I mean, I personally think

Devontae is going to have his choice of locations. You got to be careful. You got to be careful. You got to be careful. You got to be at this point in your career. There are only so many teams you can go to that have an active quarterback and win and win and you can get the ball.

You've already got your money. You've got enough of it at this point. So what is the end goal at this point in your career? You know? Championship, contend for one, or get the money. Yeah. It's all on him. That's the personal decision.

Now, you want to be compensated well for your skill level, for your play. You know, you don't want to be playing for peanuts. Right. But, you know, that's when you have to sit down and think to yourself. Think very hard. There are only so many quarterbacks in the NFL. Right. There are only so many spots for somebody, for a player of his magnitude.

That's something. He got two young kids. He got a wife. He's going to ask, okay, maybe okay with moving. You know, we were in Green Bay. Weather was bad. We were Green Bay. Weather was bad. We were in Vegas. Weather was good.

Went to New York. Okay. Because now you got kids, Ocho, and, you know, the kids want to go outside. They don't want to be inside all the time. Yeah. You know, you go to Green Bay after November, they ain't going back outside. Mm-hmm. They catch the school bus or you drop them off at school.

That's the only time. What are they going to do at Green Bay? Right. Same thing in New York. So at least in Vegas, hey, we outside. Yeah. And so I think that's the thing when you factor in, he's very committed. When I sit down and talk to him, I can see how he lights up when he talks about his family,

talks about his wife, and he talks about his young kids. And I love seeing that. And so I know that's going to be be that's very, very important to him. And I think they're going to have that's going to have a large, a large part to do with the decision where he's going to play next. I agree with you. If I can get, you know, 20 million and go to somewhere that I know I can win, it's better than taking 25 considering the money that I made. Now, Hey,

I ain't telling nobody, look, that's you, whatever's important to you. But I will say this when it comes down to hall of fame, they start looking guys that got rings and have comparable numbers. They're going to get the nod over a guy that don't have rings with comparable numbers. Right.

Hmm. I wish him. I wish you, I wish him the best wherever he decides to go. I'm going to be a fan, and I'm going to have a jersey. That's all I know. Ocho, check this out. Groom surprised his bride with tickets to the Bills game during a wedding vow. Do you like this, Ocho?

Yeah, yeah, boy. Yeah, it's all about knowing your partner, for one. Sometimes, I may have to hold on to a secret bonus gift to give you during our ceremony. We're going to see the bills. No! No!

No! No! Oh my God! Seriously? That reaction. Man, you see that reaction? That's what it's all about. When you have a partner, when you have a partner, that's her love language.

Obviously, she loves football. No, she loves the Bills. She loves the Buffalo Bills. How much a ticket to that Bills-Raymonds game is? She got to really love them. Do you know how cold it's going to be at that game? Man, listen. They might be from Buffalo.

They might be from Buffalo. You know? So, listen, that's what it's all about. What game time is on Sunday? And they play at night, too, huh? Yeah, I know. It's cold. Yeah, it's going to be cold.

It was cold last week, and it was during the day. It was 1 o'clock, so I can imagine what it's going to be at 8 o'clock. 8.30. I think that's the game coming at 8.30. As long as there's no snow, because there's no snow in the forecast, so they're going to be all right. 16. 16 degrees?

Yeah. It's probably windy. Any wind? That's good weather Yeah Yeah Then you get jiggy at 16 I show though

I show I show I show Yeah I said show Don't miss Playing in that cold I like it boy I like it

Cause I I show Hey September September and October My football season. At halftime, what do you think I had to get every halftime? What, IV? IV.

I cramp in my calves. Yeah. You know why I cramp a lot, Ocho? You know why you cramp? Because you don't like drinking when it's cold. No. Yeah, yeah. But this is the thing.

I didn't cramp when it was cold.'s why i couldn't wait for the car i couldn't wait for november the end of november december i couldn't wait i cramped more in the cold than i did in the summer because when it's hot you drink when it's cold you don't drink a lot of water okay see my problem my problem is i'm so locked in on the game i don't even be drinking no goddamn water or Gatorade. Man, no. Move that out of my way. Yep. I know.

That's what happened to me. And Greek was like, Sharpie, are you drinking? I'm like, nah. Nah, yeah. I don't try to drink when I'm cold. I'm trying to get over them heated seats. That's what I'm trying to do. They told you about the pickle juice?

They ever told you to drink the pickle juice? Yeah, I heard about it. I don't like pickles. I definitely don't like no juice. You think it worked with cramps? What'd you think? I ain't never tried it. Or Pedialyte.

Pedialyte was so damn nasty. Yeah. Yeah, I heard a lot of... I mean, we do have Pedialyte, but... Right. Gatorade. I was like, have Pedia Light but Gatorade I said you give me all this Gatorade you done gave me

two bottles three bottles of Gatorade I'm waterlogged now I'm done I ain't got no more crab but my stomach is sloshing

what the hell I'm going to do out there now you drink all that you drink all that Gatorade you feel sluggish thank you

I'm waterlogged now I'm out Thank you. I'm one of them all. Now I'm about to, excuse me. I'm about to try to run. Come on, man. Yeah. And that's weird. I'm good, bro. Oh, Joe.

Yeah. Remember when the Epic Jersey Swap with a young fan earlier this season? Well, that jersey went on sale online. NBA Central said, this is crazy. Jersey's already up for auction. Wimby tweeted the crying emoji. Hold on. Was the jersey signed or he just gave it to him without the signature?

He signed it. I think he signed it, didn't he? Hey, you know what? When I think about this, the first thing I think about is little kid, this is probably his parents' idea, and all I can think about is the economy that we're in right now,

being bad as it is, I understand. I kind of understand. It's an opportunity for us to get a chunk of change. Look at them. Oh, he tried to bite him. No, he tried.

Yeah, he did. Fight. Fight. Oh, they super jealous now. One don't want the other to get more past than the other. He snapped at him. That was funny. Why don't y'all go upstairs?

Now all of a sudden, everybody want to be in here. Y'all was never in here. Hey, that is funny. Yeah. I just couldn't, Ocho. somebody gave me a like i said i mean i don't know yeah i mean the kid had to be courtside so the kid's courtside how how how how how tough is the economy oh joe you buying courtside ticket but that's the whole thing i don't think parents parents that could afford to sit courtside,

that's why I think it was more, it was probably a kid that was in the stands. I think it was a kid that was in the stands, you know, that enjoyed the game of basketball, that got the jersey. And when he exchanged jerseys with a little kid, the parents right away understood, you know what? We can get some money for this. Well, if you, hey, so why are you at the game?

If the column is so tough, why are you at the game anyway then? Ain't no telling how they got tickets, huh? Okay, well, if you ain't no telling how you got tickets, ain't no telling how you can find a way to solve that issue about this economy. Because you found a way, right? Yeah, yes, sir. Okay. The volume.

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