Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Ja Morant New gestures, Denver fires head coach, Pat Bev talks NBA drama

Episode Date: April 12, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the best hoops stories of the week, including Ja Morant’s new hand grenade gesture, the Nuggets firing head coach Mike Malone & GM, Patrick Beverly joins talks NBA drama, & much more!04:16 - Denver fires GM & head coach11:30 - Pat Bev Talks Ja Morant, NBA Drama & More!54:00 - Florida wins NCAA Championship1:05:30 - Dan Hurley regrets remarks(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Calvin Booth was terminated. ESPN reported that the tension had been brewing between Booth and Malone for quite some time, so so much so that the source described it as a cold war. Denver had lost four straight and was just 11-13 since the All-Star break. Players such as Yolk have displayed frustration on the sideline. Vibes have been low according to its source there's another report that said westbrook's minutes were a part of the rift it reported that booth was questioning bro why are you playing westbrook when you should be

playing i forget the younger guy's name what's that pick it? Pick it. Yep, yep, yep. That's it. And so you look at Yoke. He's giving you 45, 13, and 10, and they lost all three. He gave you a 60-point triple-double, a 40-point triple-double, and he was an assist short of a triple-double

on the 38-point game. So he gave you 45, 13, and 10 over three games, man, and they lost all three games. My thing is this. It goes back to what we were talking about Dallas, right? I don't think this is a problem that has just been brewing this year. I think the problem was lost after they won the championship and they didn't pay Bruce Brown, right?

You lose your – I wouldn't say he was the heart and soul, but you lose a little grit. When things get hard, you need a little bit more grit. Okay, cool. They was able to sustain that, right? Then the following year, they came up short. They lost to Minnesota. Actually, the year before, Bruce Brown

had a stellar... He got paid off that Minnesota series. Then, coming to free agency, you lose Caldwell Pope, right? You're talking about now you done lost. As a team, he got paid off that Minnesota series. Then coming to free agency, you lose Caldwell Pope. You're talking about now you done lost and as a team, you need the locker room. The locker room is the most important. The culture is the most important and

the ability to win games and the real games is not based on the star players. It's based on the culture of your team. That's what makes the role. You lose these two guys. You try to fill a void with Chris Braun. You try to fill a void with Watson. These young guys pick it.

And then you want to go get Russ. You're surprised it doesn't work now. And now you have to point blame at somebody. You talk about, they beat us 3-1. In the bubble. We were supposed to play. You know, that1 in the bubble we were supposed to play that you know that team we had we were supposed to be the ones to come out yeah lakers yep y'all had three one so i'm

able to see this this team up close and personal i'm able to see this coach up close in person right elite coach i honestly think he overachieved in Denver. Overachieved. And to be able to come down there, implement your system, right? Have a two-time MVP that's selfless. Usually the MVP's like, no, give me the rock. I'm shooting a fadeaway. I'm doing this.

I'm talking about a selfless MVP, right? And you don't make the moves you're supposed to make in free agency and you wonder why your team is not the same team. It baffles me. It actually baffles me. Pat, I was wondering, did you hear what James Harden said? The reason why they're having success? He said personnel.

He said personnel. There's only two guys that's not there. And I don't know what he was trying. What was he trying to say? Because he said the only thing is personnel. I don't need to say anything else. Everything was like, everyone knows their roles.

Right. And as a player who's, you know, I didn't have a cup of tea. I spent 12, 13 years in the NBA, right? So like knowing your role, and for me to be, you know, the ultimate role player, right? Knowing your role helps everybody else out around

you, right? Not only do you know your role now, you can thrive in your role. Correct. Okay, cool. I know my role on this team is to swing, rebound, and if I get it, you know, I get it in the corner, I'm going to shoot it.

That's my role. I'm going to stay in my role. Now I'm going to thrive in my role. Right. He had guys over there. Obviously, the Paul George. We can name the Paul George, the Russell Westbrook,

the P.J. Tucker. Remember, P.J. Tucker was Bones Highland also. Yeah. They went through that whole debacle with Ty Lue. They were all, you know,

they were, you know, you know, more part of the team. You can't forget those guys also. All that makes it, again, talked about. It's hard to win games like that,

man. You got so much, you got so much bad going around. You can't basketball. How? Because you got James Harden. Look, it seems to be like James Harden. Harden is on the basket.

James Harden. Kawhi's back healthy. Kawhi's back healthy. Zubox is playing unbelievable. I still, Magic, my guy, I love Magic. Magic without his mind for Trayvon, Mike Muscala for Zubox. Can you imagine Zubat with LeBron and Luka

or Zubat with AD and Bron because now now AD could have slid to the four like he wanted to play leave Zub at the five can you imagine what that would

let's not I was there when we traded for Big Zub can you imagine what that would... I don't even... Let's not... No. I was there when we traded for Big Zoo. I was there. Hey, man, Pat, we getting this big center here. I mean, where you from, man? Tell me.

Man, he from overseas, Pat, man. I bring him here. Big Zoo, man, had a box haircut. Yeah, I got him right, huh? Hey, man, put some swag on you, man. Yeah. Unbuck your shirt. Stick your chest out.

I got Zoo right. Top four center in the NBA right now. He played like it. I mean, he's had a 30-20 game, a 20-20 game. Zoo has played. And guess what? He can get his points, and you don't run that one play forward. Not one.

They don't say, hey, Zoo, go down there. What hand you want on? You want it left? Get it on the right block. I'm going to throw it here. Go down to the left. I'm going to throw it there. All he does, hey, James Harden layoff. Oh, he get it off the rim. Put it back. I'm not running anything for him.

So now, I get James Harden, do what you do. Kawhi, do what you do. Like you said, know your role. Ocho knew every game. I'm number one receiver. I'm going to get my catches. I'm going to get my 10 know your role Ocho knew every game I'm number one receiver I'm gonna get my catches I'm gonna get my 10 targets now Ocho ain't got a thing I ain't oh hold on I ain't gotten but one target okay the next three quarters I'm gonna get at least three a quarter maybe four so when you know your role like you said Pat when you know your role

you can thrive. And the simpler you keep it, you don't have to think, I can just let my athletic ability take over. I take my athletic ability over anybody that's playing. I'm playing against. And that's with anything. Right? That's with life. Right? And the minute you start

to merge to the left lane, you know that ain't your lane's stuff style. You start to hit that little gravel. No, I'm staying young, man. You try to merge in the left lane, you know that ain't your lane. Stuff's not all. You start to hit that little gravel. No, I'm staying in your lane, young man. You try to merge in the right lane, you hit that horn. No, man, somebody behind you real quick. Stay in your lane, man. You stay in your lane, good things happen. Good things happen.

All right, Pat. I'm going to need your expertise on this one. Y'all threw a grenade at the crowd the other night. You know, he can't, he can't, he can't, he can't do that anymore. He can't do that. If you was in the locker room with Ja,

what would you sit down and talk to the young brother? I wouldn't tell him. I wouldn't try to, right, because I was in the locker room with Anthony Edwards too, right? So my job in the locker room is, man, look,

I ain't here trying to be your daddy, but I'm going to try to be a brother. You feel me? You know these folks on you, right? You hot right now. You just got out. You just got out. Yeah, you got to check in every so often.

Stay off that corner. Them folks, they looking for you. Yeah. Calm down. Tread lightly. Just do that for about six months. Them folks go give you everything you want. You can keep it moving.

Oh, not him. Mm-mm. I mean, and a lot of times, Pat, we hear people that's not in that position. Let that man be him. Let that man live his life. Well, that's why you're not in that position. Because I don't care what anybody says. There are certain things that you have to do, no matter who you are or how much, how big you are. But my thing is,

I hope it's not, I hope it's not going to be a lingering thing. That's my thing. I hope it don't get to a point where we told you so. They did it to Allen Iverson. Right?

They did it to Allen Iverson. You're talking about a trendsetter you talking about somebody who literally changed the game right out of there not not not because of no no guns and no AI wasn't even doing that they got them out of that because of our practice do you practice they made a thing a big thing and got them out of that so that's my that's my fear and everything right you don't want to get to a point where you're such a big distraction that it's a negative kind of tutor that comes to you and around that organization, you know?

So you just don't want, especially his age, and especially what's going around now. Right. Right. Especially what's going around now. Especially what's going around in Memphis, in these inner cities, who need that face. They need Ja, right?

Because he's their coach. So if he can turn that light and just turn it the other way, right? And I ain't telling you to go out there and pray to the gods and do all that. I'm telling you to be yourself, be a basketball player, be swaggy, do your damn.

My son do the gritty. So they're taking some type of positive from it. My thing is, let's just use that big old light, that big old platform you got, John. Let's just use it in another way. That's all. Yeah. Let me ask you a question. How surprised would you be if Memphis

moved, John, in the offseason? I wouldn't say that's going to happen wouldn't say that's going to happen now, but that's usually the next steps. You see a coach leave, right? Anytime we're in the locker room, we see a coach get fired, players get to looking around. Man, what's nobody next, man?

Then it becomes player. Listen, yeah. I'm going to tell you I have my sources in the NBA. I'm not going to disclose those sources because they probably wouldn't tell me anything else at this point and Pat I can tell you

I can see John coming down here to Miami yeah I ain't going to tell you who told me and I'm not telling you what I heard I'm telling you what I know so if it does happen to happen later on in the future just know you heard it from me first. Yeah, I'm not sure.

I don't know if y'all got anything that they want. Y'all gonna trade them Bam? Y'all gonna trade them Tyler Hero? Because that's the only pieces that y'all got. They're not gonna give you y'all best player. You gotta give them something comparable. I mean, we'll

cross that bridge when we get there. But I'm just telling you what I know. That's it. Because the reports are, Nico Harrison, Harrison, Harrison, Harrison,

he reached out to Minnesota. Ant-Man, is he available? Absolutely not. He reached out to Milwaukee. Is Giannis available? No. So. Yeah.

But at that point in time, he was like, hold on. We're probably doing too much calling around. This is going right out. So now, Pat Bell, we got to hone in. Okay. Our next Our next move Gotta be our best move

Mm-hmm Hey Uh Ha ha He call L.A.? Rob Hey man How you doing?

Yeah man I'm good What you think? Uh You think we can get Anthony Davis off you For a loop? No no no no The, no, no.

The language was different. The language had to be like this. Hey, ring, ring, ring. What's up? Yeah. Hey, hey, Pat, what's going on? I'm good. Check it out.

I got something for you. I'm about to give you a Ferrari. You give me back a bag of potatoes. Yes. Come on, Pat. Matter of fact. Yeah. I'm going to pay. Matter of fact, you could at least matter of fact,

I'm going to lie to you. A bag of potatoes with a hole in the bottom because you're giving me damaged goods. That's good. At least you could have said you're giving me damaged goods, man.

I got my goods. I couldn't even eat my goods. I can't play my goods. I can't cook my goods. My couldn't even eat my goods. I can't play my goods. I can't cook my goods. My goods ain't available. Right. Dang. Damn.

But I see you in L.A. You driving Ferrari, Unc. You doing me like this. Chop down, yeah. And now they looking at me crazy talking about firing me. Nah, nah, nah, nah. We ain't gonna do that.

Nah, we ain't gonna do that. Not here. Not here. Not here. Mm-mm. But you know what? In order, because here's the thing. There are certain people you don't even call and ask about. You're not even calling Boston asking about Jason Tatum.

You're not even. There are certain. You're not. I mean, there are certain people you won't even call. So, to mere fact, Rob probably said, hold on, you would really consider trying, Luca? Because Rob is thinking like, hold on, you're not calling Golden State about no stuff. You're not calling OKC about shit. No, they're not answering the phone.

You're not calling Denver about yolk. There's some things you don't even pick answering the phone. They're not answering the phone. You're not even, you're not calling Denver about yolk. There's some things you don't even pick up the phone and call. There's some things, like when we were growing up, you wouldn't ask your mom, dad, or grandma. I wouldn't even bother because I already did this.

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Every time, you get ready to go in the store with your mama. Matter of fact, she tell you before you even get out of the car, when we get in here. Don't you ask for nothing. Don't you ask for nothing. Don't ask for nothing. And you better not push that buggy up on my damn heels either. For real.

I mean, that's a guarantee. You know, hey, Ocho, you know we pushing the buggy, and all of a sudden they... Yeah. Boy, I did not tell you. You hit that lower calf, that Achilles. Yeah. Matter of fact, hold on. My grandma, listen, I never forget.

You know about Zares? You ever heard of Zares before? Yeah. Matter of fact, hold on. My grandma, listen, I never forget. You know about Zares? You ever heard of Zares before? Yeah. Pat, I done ran into my grandma, into Achilles, not paying attention, pushing the buggy. And she done stopped abruptly in front of me and I had no idea. Ran into the back of her. And she didn't even look back at me. She just, cool swing, without even looking back. Because she knew cool swing without even looking back because she knew exactly

what i was at all right outside the head right outside the head boy that's memories right there boy yeah you can't ask for nothing like don't ask for nothing we going here so far so on i didn't get your uh feelings on this because you know, the way you handled this was very, very, very perfect. You had two friends kind of get into it a little bit. How'd that feel? Who that? LeBron? I know that put you in a little pickle. I know that put you in a pickle.

Man, look here. Stephen A is Stephen A. LeBron felt here Stephen A is Stephen A LeBron felt that Stephen A crossed the line because he questioned him as a father you're not questioning Bronny's skills

you're not questioning my skills you're questioning saying I'm doing damage to my son by having him play bro he's the 55th player

I mean there's only there's only 60 players selected they make it seem like they took Bronny in the lottery Bro, he's the 55th player. I mean, there's only 60 players selected. They make it seem like they took Bronny in the lottery. And plus, you have to understand, the man had a major medical issue. Give him some time to recover from that. Now, if in three years, he's still mellowing around, okay, it is what it is.

Maybe he's a career G leaguer. Maybe he's a serviceable role player. But for me, it tells me a lot for LeBron to do what he did because LeBron has swallowed a lot of stuff for 22 years. For him to approach him at a public setting during a timeout of a basketball game lets you know just how upset he was. He said what he said. Stephen A said he understood.

Cool. Yeah. The problem that I had with Stephen A, and I told Stephen A this, bro, you should have left that alone. Once you say you understood it,

but when you went and made the rounds and you said what you said on Gil's Arena and you went to other platforms and then, like, you added yeast to the's where that's why i was out on it i mean stevie they my guy we talk about a lot of stuff not just you know he uh first take stuff we talk about a lot of stuff and and you know he's helped me gave me giving me some good advice and i like to think

i've given him some i just wish whatever happened that friday night or whatever it was that's been and we made a good case on our on our pod we made a good case uh people should be judged case scenario right right talk about the talent right talk about me not being good talk about like criticize me right but don't criticize me because of who my dad is like you say i'm 55th pick ain't nobody talking about these two bum ass motherfuckers that was number one and number two exactly that's losing every game we don't even know look we talk about bronnie so much people forget that he was the 55th pick. People forget who the first three picks were. Mm. Hell, I couldn't tell you.

I mean, hardly any of the picks. My point exactly. You feel me? So, like, when you, when you dealing with that, right, and, and, and, and one thing I like about the James family,

the way they take the criticism is, is, is absolutely... Everybody can't, everybody ain't built for that, Pat. Remarkable. Yeah. Also, Pat, you know,

you got to understand, you got to understand how long they've been in it. How long they've been in it. So really, after this long, you got to think the press has been on LeBron since what? Coming out of high school.

Since he was a junior in high school. He burst on the scene when they put him on cover on Sports Illustrated, said the chosen one. Yeah. So he's 40 now. He was 16 or 17 then.

So that's been 23, 24 years. For damn near a quarter century, he's been in the public eye. Yeah. And so it's just like any parent. If you're in a situation and you can help your child, who doesn't? We see these CEOs and presidents and these other companies. What did Jerry do? All of his kids, ain't nobody saying, well, Stephen ain't qualified.

Charlotte ain't qualified. Yeah. As a parent, that's what you do. You try to put your kid in the best situation. And then it's up to him to make the most best of the situation that we got we got the blueprint from them that's what we got the blue oh man i see these ceos they doing this man okay man this person deserve this job but they go higher they go higher cuz over here cuz when and really did nothing they still go huh okay cool we still all that anyone so let's do the same thing right

i mean collectively longevity uh uh you talk about legacy wise you have to get the first the mom a lot of credit because it starts with her and it trickles all the way down right to miss savannah it trickles all the way down you have to give Miss Savannah, it trickles all the way down. You have to give that family a lot of credit. They've done a lot. And to steal every time you see them, for them to look so, so royal. So like with so much royalty and handling themselves, much class is really impressive, especially coming from the black culture, especially coming from the black culture. And this is how I know, this is how I know not only the James class the James family is class personified but LeBron James as well Pat because you think

about his accolades his achievements and what he's been able to do since coming out of high school the pressure being on him, him being able to take it all this time and reaching a milestone of being the highest scoring NBA player of all time. And the fact that when he hit that 50,000 points, you know,

in whatever game that was, I just wanted to show you, because the rest of the chat has seen it. Some of the other people that have been on here have been able to see it. Unk has been able to see it. You know, LeBron gifted me the 50,000 ball, the 50,000 point ball, and I just wanted to show it to you. Just check that out. You sure?

Yeah. You know, I was on the Lakers when that game happened. Yeah, this is the ball right here. You'll turn around a little bit. No, that ain't it. No, you ain't getting that. No, that ain't it. I know. I haven't played with that ball. I haven't played with that ball. Yeah, you ain't getting that. No, that ain't it. I know.

I haven't played with that ball. I haven't played with that ball. Yeah, I scored two that game. That ain't the ball I scored with. That ain't the ball. Bam, what's going on with you, Lou Wills and Brandon Jennings? You posted today that you kicked their ass

in a one-on-one tournament. Lou Williams, Jeff Teague, Brandon Jennings, Kyle Austin, every one of them both foes know you get on the court with me and I'm gonna dog y'all. What'd you say? Low five, high five, patent five. What are you talking about? Yeah.

Hey, no, but so you gotta understand, like, for me, my role coming to the NBA was very different. Right. I've been on the team with Ty Lawson. Right. I've been on the team with Lou Will.

Right. I've been I played against Brandon James. So. Five on five segment is very different than a one on one set. Right. But I'm able to practice against these guys and I'm the guy that I can't shoot anyway. I got to play defense all the time because I got to say y'all ass anyway.

So, okay. So they know what I bring to the table. Like, you know that guy in practice that no matter you suit up with you, man, he gonna give me hell every single day.

He ain't gonna let up. Right? Yeah. Or if y'all, in my case, y'all probably was the guy that didn't let up on people. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

So that's how it is with me in practice. So like, I know coming in, in the dough, like one-on-one. So that's how it is with me in practice. So like, I know coming in, in the dough, like one-on-one in the dough with me, like with me,

I'm a different animal. Like I don't stop chewing. I keep going. I keep going. I keep going. I want bone. I want flesh. I want bone.

I want meat. I want gristle. I want veins. Like I'm, I'm, I'm, yeah, I get wild when I'm in that cage,

you know? I like that. I like that. Yeah. Hey, I got a question. Since you really got that kind, you got that, in that cage you know i like that i like that yeah hey i got a question since you really got that kind of you got that in fact you got that obviously most most of us we call it that dog mentality it's not something that's taught it's already in you you already got that so i'm just curious you talk about playing them boys if you and i were to play

one-on-one knowing that we both kind of think alike and we cut from the same motherfucking claw you think a game the 11 you could deal with me yeah yeah not not not not not like uh see look at my fingers doing something i don't even know what they're doing look right right right but not not not like just because uh because like you play a different sport or whatever that's not the case just the just the case that i will die out there before I lose. Are you willing to do the same? Hold on. I'm willing to die about a lot of things. Let me tell you something, Pat. Let me tell you something about me,

right? I owe Unk $5,200, right? I ain't paid Unk money in about seven months because I'm willing to die. I'm willing to die, Pat. I'm willing to die about that $5,200. You hear me? This ninja crazy. He gonna talk about I owe, Pat. I don't want him to die by that $5,200. You hear me? This ninja crazy. He going to talk about

I own Unk and I ain't even paid him and I ain't thinking oh, hell no. Oh, hell no. Man, you got to think that you about to throw this man up

on the ass cut before he get on the court. And on the side. Shit, y'all heard this man. This man be talking about all night talking about, yeah, Unk, I'm going to run your money when you get to Baltimore. Nah, he getting to him with Pat man be talking about all night talking about yeah

I'm going to run your money when we get to Baltimore nah he getting to it with Pat and Bev talking about he ain't going to pay me my money I'm using that as a small example

now I'm going to give you your money anyway I'm just I was telling Pat I'm trying to give him an example of how like I'm willing to die about not giving it

but I'm going to give it to you so I'm just trying to trying to get yeah I'm trying to get Pat to understand like I'm really like that too and if you're willing to die by that i mean we on the same page right right yeah i would i would really love to schedule a one-on-one between us i come to you

i'll spot you five to eleven who me i'm talking ain't no i'm here i'm talking to you no no no no see this this is the thing. You play professional basketball. You have yet to see me play. I averaged 56 in high school. I was supposed to go to the NBA, but I got in trouble. I got suspended. I got kicked out of school, so I had no choice.

And I went to a school that only had football. So I was forced to do that. You hear me? Uh-huh. So I got this school set, and I could transition into that. And if I need to was forced to do that. You hear me? Uh-huh. So I got this skill set and I could transition into that. And if I need to get back to what I normally do

and that put a belt the ass on the court, you could be the first one. Nah, so with sports, and I think we all know this, with sports, it's the major component that's always important

and that's conditioning. Right, that's me. That's me.'s me i'm conditioned right i just played a game a month ago in front of 7 000 you know 18 five and five you know i'm okay yeah they screamed another language over there while i'm playing i'm i'm back my way i'm backpedaling on the way back like this right that's okay so conditioning is is a part of it mental conditioning is the most important part of it. They don't teach you.

That's what you can't get at the gym, right? That's that stuff. I'm going to just lift and keep doing this rep until all my muscles burn, until I feel a burn that I ain't never felt before. And then when I feel that, I'm going to do some lower. Okay. That's how I think about it. Yeah, I agree.

Wow. Okay. let i'm gonna do some lower like okay that's tight but yeah i get wild okay yeah let me let me let me tell you something about my conditioning yeah wow can you hear me yeah okay you know i see y'all got now all right get wild i'm gonna tell you i'm gonna tell you about my kind my kind of conditioning all right right? My conditioning, you know, I play soccer. You hear me? Hold on. Hold on. What that is?

Let me write this down because I'd like to be a headliner. Write it down. I play the striker. You hear me? I play the nine. I play 45-minute half straight with no break, running full speed. You hear me? That's's fast that's no breaks no timeouts no commercials 45 minutes that's two halves of those okay that's part of my conditioning

then my physical and mental conditioning i take these right here huh these called rose spars now this kind of conditioning I do at home. Yeah, yeah. I don't know Pat. You hear me? I put Chan Cam, put her through the mattress. You hear me? I make sure she touch every corner of the wall.

Huh? I put on the ceiling fan and I tie it to the ceiling fan and make it go around in circles. That's the kind of condition I'm talking about. You ain't built like this. Won't be no poster. I won't be no. Man,

he too little man. Shoot. No, but jump. Don't turn your back on him. I can say it. That's what I said. Hey,

man, let the three go. Hey, man. Let the three go. Hey, man. Well, Pat, I love you, boy. It's a pleasure. But those guys, man, they know. They know those guys, man. They just, you know, I get the text.

Like, it's funny because I get the text from guys like, yeah, man, let's keep running it up for the media. And in my mind, I'm like, no, I'm dead serious. Yeah. Well, I ain't doing this because no media. I'm dead serious. I bust all y'all ass. For real. Like, and we could do it with cameras, without cameras.

How you want to do it? You feel me? How you want to do it? So, yeah. Hey, Pratt, so let me get this. I get a sponsor, and I'm going to put $50,000 on the line. So you, Lou Will, Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings, one-on-one. Winner take all.

Who taking the money? I'm going to say this. You will be not an intelligent man to bet against me, I tell you that. Don't bet against me. No, we're going to put it down. The winner get it all. The winner get the whole $50,000. Matter of fact, add $5,200 to that $50,000. No, we ain't for that.

What? You ain't for that. I don't mind to it. And listen I know as Cap When I tell a person Come on, let's play one-on-one Let's play one-on-one for $100,000

Go to your chase I'm going to go to my chase I'm going to take out $100,000 You take out $100,000 Don't nobody got to be there We'll play I guarantee all of them will say no I don't know

Hey, hey, hey Brandon Jennings Hey no I got the Matter of fact I got something even better For y'all Right

What y'all Y'all both know And y'all say y'all got sources And y'all both know People that's in basketball Yeah Yeah Yeah

Ask them Just ask them Hey man look If one of them Suited up with Pat Cause you know We don't really look, if one of them suited up with Pat, because, you know, we don't really know, but if one of them suited up with Pat, how the outcome would be? Everybody would tell you the same. Like, man, yeah, they can play, but, boy, Pat different.

He different. He different. He different. He different. He just different. He not going to stop. He still working out. He still playing basketball.

Like, he, Pat, different. He different. Yeah, so that's all. playing basketball. Like, he, Pat, different. He different. Yeah, so that's all. Are you trying to, hey, Pat, are you trying to come back to the NBA? Are you cool with going? You know what? I'll lie to you and say I don't want to come back to the NBA. Right?

I'll lie to you and say that. Like, you're a basketball player. You want to keep playing. You want to get a game, anything you can give it. You want to get a game, anything you can give it. You can play, play. I still can play. I still got a good three years left. And you feel, we just got a couple of calls if I want to decide to go back overseas and play. So like basketball is always a door open for me. But again, we speak about longevity also, which is important. I've done a good job, take care of my body to still

even be in this position. So, yeah, if that opportunity presents itself, I'm going to be Mr. 94 free to be ready. So, in other words, in your clause in the overseas, you can opt out to come to an NBA if an NBA team offers you, correct?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, it's been a fun ride. I've been doing this for 17 years. Right. I've been doing this five years overseas.

I done seen the whole world, man. I done seen Italy. I done seen Russia. I done seen Israel. I done seen Greece. I done seen so many different countries, right? What's some of the best souvenirs that you brought back from the countries? Because I know you got to bring something back

because Russia and Italy and Israel and Greece and Turkey, all the places you've been, what's some of the best souvenirs that you brought back? You know what? I'll just say my mental ones, right? The people I've met through my journey, right?

The coaches I've had, because you know the European coaches are very different than what the NBA is. The friendships I journey, right? The coaches I've had, because you know the European coaches are very different than what the NBA is. The friendships I have, right? The restaurants that I can go back in Israel right now if I want to go to and it look exactly the same,

right? I'm able to bring my mom you know, shot glasses from different countries. Just, you know, she don't drink at all, but just to have something that, you know, my son brung me this. So, like, I mean, this rider, man, you talking about 12 years in the NBA, five years overseas, man. 17

years pro doing it. Inner city kid from Chicago. You gotta think, John Shire, me, and Derrick Rose, we all the same class. I was the third best player in that class. I was the last. I in that class. I was the last. I'm the only player still playing basketball.

Yeah. John Shire, the coach. John Shire, him, me, Derrick Rose. I was the third best player out of all of them. I'm the only one still playing basketball. Bet y'all didn't know that, did you, Chaz? Wow. Pat Babb, you're 12 years in the NBA.

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Let's do five more sprints. I'm a rookie. What am I going to say? No LeBron James? Okay, we doing the sprint, and he don't want to do regular sprints. He want to touch the wall. You feel me? Yeah, it might be nothing.

It might be an extra little two feet, but those extra two feet add up over so many more times. Right. Right. With James Harden, I've seen his ability to take the game of basketball and make it, okay, how can I cheat the game?

When I say cheat the game, how can I get to the free throw line 20 times? What's the gray area into that? How can I use my IQ when my athleticism falls and still be an elite skill player right so i learned pick and roll uh uh isolation the amount of time it takes to get from an iso to a you know from a switch then i go kawaii lena i've never seen anybody in my life

work out like him on a basketball court right as basketball course uh basketball players you rep it you know you might shoot five spots you might shoot five spots. You might shoot seven spots. I'm going to shoot five, the corner, the wing, the top of the key, corner wing. I'm going to shoot five spots. Him, he different. He shoot nine spots. When you shoot five spots regularly, you make 10. With him, he make 20, 29 spots. And it's not surprising to me when he plays sometimes that he gets hurt. Yes, he gets hurt because he's putting in so much extra work on a basketball court. Wow. I've never seen a player. I've never seen a player work out like Kawhi Leonard in my entire life of being on this earth.

His workouts are simple. They're extremely hard. They're extremely hard. They're extremely hard. I'm talking about make 29 spots. Make 20 another 9 spots. Make 20 going left. 5 spots.

Make another 20 left. 5 spots. Your arm's so tired and your mind's so drained. Like, you feel, yeah, I done got up 1,000 today. We gonna do it again

tomorrow, Pat. 2,000. We gonna do it again tomorrow, Pat. 3,000. We had 6, 000 makes in a week i say man this man's this man different he yeah we you miss gang you missed the gang winner you gotta make 20 you miss 20 you go back down to 15 i'm talking about when it comes to like

and it's not a lot of uh ain't no joking in the locker room. Ain't no, a crew full of eight to 10 people. Ain't no cameras. It's me, his homie, my homie. Four people. Homies rebound. Let's work. Wow. So what he did, what like, and everyone knows, but y'all know,

with that amount of work you put in, you might be hurt. It might not show up this game. But in the playoffs, he shows up every single time. Yeah. Every single time. I was able to have some really good bets, and I ain't going to lie to you, but I had some motherfuckers that I was like, yeah, let me stay away from him. I'm cool.

You feel me? I didn't have to pass. They walk in there with flip-flops on. Game starting now. They walk in there with flip-flops on. Okay, cool. Okay, next two years, they out the league. Okay, cool.

Yeah, Pat, don't do that. Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that. So I had the best of both worlds. I was able to see people with big names get out the league, and I was able to see people that stayed in the league without big names. I ain't never averaged over 10 points a game. I played 12 years in the NBA.

I missed the playoffs once. Wow. I got drafted 42. I got drafted the same draft, Steph Curry draft. They took 19 point guards. I was one of them. Earned keep. Earned my keep. That's it.

I made over $100 million in the NBA, man. I earned my keep. You recently made some critical comments about the Sixers wasting opportunities. If you were the GM of the Sixers, you got Max Contract, Joel Embiid, Max Contract, Paul George, Max Contract, Tyrese Maxey. You're the GM.

Pat Babbitt, the GM of the Sixers. What are you doing this offseason? It'll be tough. It'll be tough for me, again, because now I have damaged goods. All those players you named, they ended the season hurt. Right? So now I'm doing a deal with a team. It'd be tough for me to even get that all.

They didn't play well, they underperformed, and they hurt. So yeah, I'm giving you that red Ferrari. It ain't a red Ferrari no more. It got a little dense in them. The little paint has chipped a little bit.

The muffler hanging back on the loose. It ain't the red Ferrari no more. I don't think you want to drive it. I ain't going to lie, man. I don't think you want what I got. I ain't going to lie, man. I don't think you want what I got to give you. We got to overload. We got to add some first rounds.

We got to add some second rounds. I think they put themselves in a position to either be really good or to be really bad. Well, I mean, when you got the contract, Joel Embiid,

you got three years coming at $193 million. You got Paul George. He's going to pick up that fifth-year offer. Duh. He's going to pick that up. So basically, you got Paul George for another four years, excess of $200 million. Tyrese Maxey, I think Tyrese Maxey, he's going to be an all-star.

He's phenomenal. But I just don't know what you're going to do with Joel Embiid, with his injury history, with his age, and that contract. Paul George, his injury history is of late, his age, and that contract. What could you possibly do? You know what? You got to let it play out one more year. Right.

And then, like we said, with anything with basketball, the first person to go on ain't the player, it's the coach. Right? And I played for Philly. I played for that beautiful city, huh? I played for Nick Nurse, right? I played with Joel. I know how nice he is.

I played with Tyrese Maxey when he got most improved that year. I know how good he is. But you're going to feel a lot of pressure from that city. Y'all know Philly. Philly a different city when it comes to sports. When it comes to sports, Philly, they take their sports, they go to sleep with it.

They go to sleep with their sports. They drink coffee, coffee mugs. They got Philly's Cup. They go to sleep. They wake up with their sports. If you don't do something fast with that, no matter what it is, and don't do the wrong thing. And the wrong thing is get rid of Joel. You get rid of Joel and this don't go right, yeah, you talk about losing for a lot of years.

Right. But if you get the right doctors in, you get the right medical staff, and you get the right locker room pieces around them that, you know, maybe you guys don't feel hurt. You feel me? Yeah, maybe you guys, I ain't going to lie, if you got 10 games to go, right,

and you need to win seven of them to make it to the playoffs, that knee that was hurting, it don't feel that bad today. Right, right. But if you got 10 games to go and you gotta win 11 of them,

yeah, I'm cool. I don't wanna play tonight. Right. It's just different, right? They just need, they need a coach. They need a coach. Anything that involves winning, regardless if It's just different, right? They just need a coach. They need a coach. Anything that involves winning,

regardless if it's a company, it's a football team, it's a basketball team, it's a karate unit with 10-year-olds. You need coach. You need a coach in order to be good at anything.

You need the right coach. And this year, they didn't have it. Pat, I look at Ocho and I i we had a discussion and and i said i looked at it like this joel and bead ended the season he played in the postseason but basically he was on one leg why not have the surgery on the leg or rest the leg if surgery wasn't required why go to the olympics and i understand the olympics america has done so much for Joel Embiid and his family. It's made him rich, but wild is beyond his dreams. But he had a talent.

He parlayed that. I don't get going to play for the Olympics. And if I'm the Sixers, I'm not going to allow Joel to play because I got $300 million tied up in you and you spent the half the season, the majority of the season injured. Do you, and you spent the half the season, the majority of the season, injured. Do you think he should have played in the Olympics? If you're Josh Harris and you own the Sixers,

are you allowing your injured player who injured the last part of the season and in the postseason was injured, are you going to allow him to play or are you going to say you need to have surgery or you need to rest to make sure you're healthy for the second season? So throughout that whole year, they knew that the team came up short the year before. So being around the NBA at that time, you heard a little chatter, right? You hear a little chatter.

You know, Joel playing. You know, KD playing. You know, Kawhi, you playing. Steph Curry playing. LeBron said he playing. And then you playing. Like, Kawhi, you playing? Steph Curry playing? LeBron said he playing? AD, you playing? Like, you start hearing about it. And now it became not everybody playing.

All the top dogs playing, right? You didn't want to miss a seat on that bus because what they did, they go down in history, right? They go down in history. So with that, what the states have done you know in his defense in his mind he was like you know pat like feel me like man like my son was born here feel me like i was born here i'm putting on for the little home right you can't go against that uh right i'm putting i'm putting on for my son so like i thought i thought what he did

the decision he made i thought i thought it was a fantastic decision right i thought him coming up winning winning and go i thought he was gonna take that momentum and go back to philly because in the olympics he seemed he seemed in great condition he seemed elite condition he didn't seem like you know like he was dragging anything looked really good. He was probably one of the reasons, the main reason he hit the mid-rank shot when U.S. couldn't score right there on the right wing over Jokic against

Serbia. He hit that shot. That was a big shot. People don't understand. That was probably one of the biggest shots because U.S.A. couldn't score. He hit that shot. They go on. Steph Curry do his thing. LeBron do his thing, but they win the game. They brung home the gold. I can never fault a person who put on for his country and brought us back gold.

No, but if you Josh Harris and you got $300 million tied up in it, you can fault it. If you Josh Harris, you're looking at it from a whole different beast. Yeah, you're looking at it from a business point. Yeah, I hear you. I hear that.

I hear you. But yeah, we're going to need gold in Philly too. So yeah, it goes both ways. Yeah. I'm just glad I don't have Josh Harris. I'm glad I...

That's a hard job to have. That's a hard job to have. Because you're shelling out money because here's the thing. And you had... What's the GM in Philly? You had him in Houston. You talking about the GM?

I walk on the bus, Unc, I say, hey, Daryl Moore, you traded me? He, no, Pat, I ain't trading you. Unc, I was traded three days later. Damn. And you know me, I'm 12 years in. And I know him. He came and got me. You feel me?

He came and got me in Europe. So he brought me to the Rockets. He gave me my first contract. So it's my mama knowing. So you really can't be mad even though he traded. You can't be mad. That's my man. Yeah, it ain't personal. It's business.

But yeah, I got on the bus. I got right on the bus. Hey, Darrell, what's going on, man? I see you on a lot of away games lately, man. I know Trey about to go down. I'm getting traded. Oh, no, Pat, you cool. Yeah, Pat, you're going to Milwaukee. All right, cool. Thank you. I know Trey about to go down. I'm getting traded. Oh, no, Pat, you cool. Yeah, Pat, you're going to Milwaukee. All right, cool. Thank you.

I know the business, you feel me? Hey, dirty game. But if this thing don't work out, because he extended Joel Embiid when he didn't have to, it's easy to give somebody else money away, Pat, as opposed to spend your own. Josh Harris looking like, hold on. You brought in Paul George, gave him

basically a five-year deal when it seemed like the Clippers was only willing to go to three. You signed Joel Embiid when he had two years still left on his deal, and you gave him a three-year extension at a 193. This better work out. Don't forget about that.

Yeah. It better work out. Dave Nick Nurse the bag. Don't forget about that. Yeah. It better work out, man. Dave Tyrese Maxey the bag. Yeah. So you got three guys basically on the Max contract. It's going to be tough. It's going to be tough. I think this is years out.

I don't think this is something that can just turn around instantly. Again, I think they got to fix what's in the locker room, right? If it's a star player, if it's a superstar player, if it's the kid who you draft, or if it's the role player who wave in town, you got to get that culture together. And once you get that together, you can kind of navigate your way through basketball games.

That's the easy part. But they got to fix that locker room. They got to fix the culture of that organization back. They got to get it back. The Gators take down the Houston Cougars 65-63. Florida wins an instant classic. Their first title since 2007 when they went back-to-back, 0-6, 0-7. When they had Joe King Noah, they had Al Horford.

They won back-to-back titles under Billy Donovan. I think that's who their coach was, Billy Donovan. Houston had a chance to take the lead or tie in the final seconds but failed to get a shot off in the final, what, 19 seconds? 12 seconds. But anyway, they failed to get a shot off. Cougars have now appeared in three national championship games, seven Final Four without a victory.

And they were really close. Reminds me of 83. They were in a tie ball game. And Derrick Wittenberg heaves up a shot. And Lorenzo Charles catches it and dunks it as time ends. And they lose that heartbreaking game. a tie ball game and uh uh derrick wittenberg heaves up a shot and lorenzo charles catches it and dunks it as time ends and they lose that heartbreaking game uh that was fly slamma jamma akim elijah one uh clyde drexler uh they had an unbelievable team but unfortunately larry michelle benny anders they were not able to get it done. They got taken down by the NC State

Wolfpack. It was 19 seconds. Yeah, and they didn't get a shot off in 19 seconds. Yeah. Ocho, watching the ball game, I thought Houston, you know, I thought both teams got a little antsy early, started taking some ill-advised shots. It seemed like

everybody was trying to end the game early. And late, I don't know why Houston was taking some of the shots that they took, but I think you got to give Florida credit because they didn't panic. They got down 12, and they didn't panic.

They stuck with their offense. They kept getting great sets. Houston was filing, putting them on the free throw line. I mean, they got a couple of A and ones and dug themselves back into the ballgame. But watching this ballgame, I know you picked Florida to win it,

but what did you like about what you saw? I mean, listen, I like what I saw from Houston. I know they didn't win ball game, I know you picked Florida to win it. But what did you like about what you saw? I mean, listen, I like what I saw from Houston. I know they didn't win the game, but obviously I think Houston forcing Florida to have so many turnovers

in the first half and a few in the second half. I really thought Houston was going to run away with the game at some point when they were up by 12. Listen, obviously, Florida being known

for their explosive scoring, you know, they face challenges really penetrating the Houston defense early, early, early in the game, especially once they got up 12. I thought Houston was going to run better play, slow the game down itself

and kind of keep the lead extended. But obviously in Florida coming out in the second half, they managed to get back into the game. And obviously we see how the game ended, you know, in Florida's favor. But nonetheless, it was a great game. I enjoyed it. One of the game ended, you know, in Florida's favor. But nonetheless, it was a great game. I enjoyed it one of the few times.

Now that I've been a part of the show, one of the few times I've actually sat down and watched collegiate basketball throughout the entirety of the NCAA series. And I actually enjoyed it, honestly. I thought both teams played outstanding defenses. Nobody shot above 40%. Both teams were 25 or below from the three-point line. Florida was better from the free-throw line, 17 or 21 for 81%. Houston was 9 of 14 for 64%.

Rebounding was right there, 40 rebounds for Florida, 39 for Houston. The game was really nip and tuck. But the thing is that we saw the other night with Duke and Houston. Houston should have known that teams don't give up because, I mean, two minutes, three minutes of the night

in college basketball. But I think you really have to look. I know a lot of people are going to say, Houston gagged this one off, they choked this, and maybe so. But still, in order for you, in order for a team

to come back and win when you're down 12 points late in the ballgame or when you're down at any point in time, you still have to execute your offense. Because even though

they may have choked, that don't mean you get the lead automatically. You still have to put the ball in the basket. And they were down and they executed and they put the ball

in the basket when they absolutely had to. And most definitely also, I think Houston in the second half, their were down and they executed and they put the ball in the basket when they absolutely had to. And most definitely also, I think Houston in the second half, their shot selection, their shot selection, some of the shots,

you know, they were trying to put up instead of waiting and allowing the game to come to them. They were very bad. And I think that also allowed Florida to come back

into the game. And I just want to mention Walter Clayton Jr. His leadership, his leadership throughout the tournament, especially in the championship game, solidified his status as one of the top performers to me

of all time. You know, I can't run down some of the top performers in a game of this magnitude, but what I saw from him and his ability to score under pressure and facilitate plays and crucial moments for Florida, I think is one of the reasons why they won this game. Yeah, he didn't have

his best ball game. Richard played really well. He came in, hit a couple of three early that really kept him close early in the ball game. He played well. Alex Condon played really, really well. Clayton got 11 points, but he was one for seven from the three.

He got most of his points. As a matter of fact, he got all 11 of his points in the second half because he was shut out in the first half, three or 10 from the floor. But like I said, both of these teams played outstanding defense, and I think a lot of the percentages that you see had to do with the defensive effort. And look, you're on this stage, Ocho, we're dealing with teenagers. We deal with a lot of these kids 19, 20 years of age, not being in this situation. And so, you know, they know what's at stake. I got a chance to be a national champion. I got a chance to be remembered forever at my university.

And Houston's going to be kicking themselves because they had this game under control and somehow they let it slip away from them. But I think you got to give Florida a lot of credit because they stuck with it. They got timely plays, got timely turnovers. I think the biggest turning point, Ocho, was when the guy tried to split.

He tried to split the double team. He ended up dribbling the ball off his feet. Why? Why? There's a guy on you. You're trying to go between another guy that's guarding the guy, but you try to split it, which was unnecessary. Pull the ball back out.

It's also unnecessary, but we see it happen all the time. Listen, I'm not saying he's in the NBA, but we see many, many guards, many, many, many players that play the one and the two split. We see him split all the time. So I know exactly what he's trying to do. He just wasn't able to execute it the right way because the ball obviously hit off his knee. Mm-hmm.

But this was a very good game. Look, it wasn't aesthetically pleasing because both of these teams can have the propensity. They can make a game look ugly. They can monk it up, especially Houston, because they play defense, they get up into you, and they make you execute. And so, yeah, you look at the

percentages, and you're going to understand why the game was 65-63, because neither team shot above 40% from the floor, neither team shot better than 25% from the three. And so when you get those kind of percentages, Ocho, you're going to get a low-scoring game, and you're going to get an ugly game.

But at the end of the day, let me win ugly as opposed to lose pretty. That's the way I look at it. And Florida did what they needed to do. Like I said, they kept themselves attached, even though they got down 12 points. And you're like, damn, oh, all right, Florida, y'all better do something. And every time they hit a three, they hit another three, they cut it to six, they get a layup, they cut it to six. They get a layup. They cut it to four.

Houston push it back to eight. They get another two. Boom, boom, boom. They go on to six. But Florida had, excuse me, Houston had this drought, Ocho, where it was just, basically, they were just getting from the free line. They couldn't get anything in the basket. And they hit a couple of guys shot the three out the corner of the back

board at an angle. I'm like, well, damn. Hey, it all comes... I got to be feeling good about that, Ocho. I'm like, hey, everything going in for us. That shot selection was abysmal in that second half. Instead of allowing the game to come to you, you pressing when you shouldn't be pressing.

Take your time. Run your plays. You know? I mean, that's one thing to say sitting here at home, but understanding the magnitude of the situation, you know, things change. Yeah. And plus, Florida early on, Houston was getting second chance after second chance.

They were getting opportunity. They were cleaning them up on the glass. Playing outstanding defense. They were blocking shots. They were stealing the ball. And they were doing everything. This is the type of game that Houston wanted to play. And Florida kind of got out of sorts

taking quick shots, turning the ball over, because at one point, I think Florida had turned the ball over five times, and Houston didn't have any. But they settled themselves down. I think you have to give Florida a lot of credit. That coaching staff did a great job of settling his players down. Like, look, guys, we can't win the ball game in the first half.

Let's not, like, let's play our brand of basketball. Let's do what we do. But it takes a lot for a team to get down like they did and still find a way to come up and win because when they needed to make plays, they made plays.

And you have to give Florida staff credit for that. Kelvin Sampson's probably kicking himself. He's like, man, what the hell do we have to give Florida staff credit for that. Kelvin Sampson is probably kicking himself. He's like, man, what the hell do we have to do? Right. To get one. But I guarantee you, if somebody told him up, say, you know, at the beginning of the year, you're going to be up 12 points with about seven minutes to play in the ballgame,

he would have liked the position of being in that position. But that's all eternity. And it seemed like, damn, can the clock go any faster? Can we have a running clock even if the ball goes out of bounds? That clock is stopping at everything, and you're like, damn. But it was a situation, though, so you have to give, I think you have to give Florida more credit than you put place blame on Houston.

I know Houston made some mistakes that they don't normally make in that position, but even though you made those mistakes, somebody has to capitalize on them. And that's what Florida was able to do. They were able to capitalize on the mistakes. And that's what they did. They capitalized. And they're the national champs.

And here it is again, the SEC. They pulled it out. They sent 14 teams to the tournament. And the last man standing was an SEC team. So that's a pretty good game. I'm glad I got an opportunity. Hey,

Florida's a football school. You're in the SEC unless you're Kentucky. Football school, yeah, most definitely. And Houston is a basketball school because Houston, they've had some good players come out of it. Elvin Hayes came out of University of Houston.

Clyde Drexel, Akeem Olajuwon. So they've had some pretty good players come out of there, more so than I think of the football team. But I think you've got to give Florida Gators more credit than you place blame on the University of Houston because I think Florida got this with their execution late in the ballgame and they were able to pull out a win, a 65-63 win. Oh, yeah.

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from the state of Florida, so I understood. Houston is one of the greatest cities. We talk about it all the time. One of the greatest cities of all time. You hear me? Now, when I look, when I, hey, listen. Hey, hey. You can see me, right? All right. So I'm talking

to you when I'm talking to you. But I know you're picking up what I'm putting down. But when it come to basketball, I already knew. I already knew how the script was going to play. I knew how it was going to play out. That's why I made the bet I bet. Ocho, Dan Hurley says he regrets his post-game outburst. Dan Hurley reflected on the F-bombs

directed to Baylor players about officiating, which was sparked by a call they didn't agree with during the contest. Hurley regrets how it all played out. That was embarrassing. I wish somebody could have stopped me. I got to get somebody that I think that maybe could just walk under me off the court,

maybe like a college football. You weren't listening. You ain't going to listen to nobody. It's hard, Ocho, when you're in that moment and you feel like you just got to get one of them on. Yeah, he knows it. He's a very passionate coach. He's a two-time national champ.

He's going for a three-peat, something that hadn't been done since the wood days in the late 60s, early 70s. But at that point in time, I'm not so sure. He was so riled up and he genuinely believes that that called for. Listen, this is what I don't like. Why are you apologizing for how you feel? Remember what I told you about telling the truth?

There are certain times where you have to be politically correct and you just can't be yourself and actually explain how you really feel and be passionate about something it's okay yeah immediately as professional as he is and then is allowing him to really express himself on how he truly feels instead of bite instead of bite the bullet or bite the tongue it's okay to be it's okay to show us some time it's okay you don't have to be a political robot all the time and say everything right it's okay to show us some time. It's okay. You don't have to be a political robot all the time and say everything right. It's okay to express how you feel for a change.

It's different. You don't want to get that caught on camera. Oh, okay, okay. You're dealing with college kids and the cameras are on you. You can't say we got effed. And I hope you guys don't get effed because that's what just happened to us. You can't do that. You're right.

Okay. Because you got to realize you're the CEO of UConn. Right. Those, those, those, those are the booths. Yeah. The, the, the, what do they call him? The president or chancellor, whatever, whatever the provost, whatever they go by at said university. Do you think, do you think they see something like that

and be like, you know what? We don't like that, or you know what? That's what we need. That's what we need. We need a coach with that kind of passion. We like your passion, but you understand that's what happened. That's why you're apologizing.

And he liked that $7, $8 million that he collected. Yes, sir. Don't, don't mess your money up. Yeah. Now, when, Hey,

when I get into the locker room, Hey, cut them cameras. Right. Man, they screwed us. Everybody know that. I got you.

I wasn't going to use the word screw. I will use the word to he. Right. We've all been in the locker room. Oh, we, Oh, Hey,

Hey, cut those cameras off and then boom boom hey when them cameras off boy it's different you hear me absolutely it's different

when them cameras off of course but I think the thing I think he's right hey let me get somebody that hey because when emotion is high

logic is low you throw caution to the wind we've all been there Ocho we get to a point it ain't no turning back so what you need to do is have somebody before throw caution to the wind. We've all been there, Ocho. We get to a point, it ain't no turning back. So what you need to do is have somebody before you get to said point. Come on, but hey, come on.

Don't you, hey. Come on, Coach. Hey, I know we frustrated right now. Hey, take it out on me. Being on me, hey. Why in the hell you call that? Why in the hell you get such and such? Why don't you tell me? You're right, Coach. It's, coach. You got to have somebody. Like, you know, if situation you out with your lady,

you got to have a lady that's strong enough to say, baby, you ain't going to mess up this money. Come on. F them. Hey, he ain't had no chance. So don't even worry about all that. I know where I'm going home. I know who I'm going home to get.

Oh, yeah. Hey, I'm cool with that. I know I'm going home. I know who I'm going home to get. Oh, yeah. I'm cool with that. I'm cool with it. So, all that other stuff when he talking, I mean, I've had a situation where, you know, I'm talking to me and this dude. I'm

talking because I know who I am, but he got a partner. Okay. He up there smiling. We can have the lady that win. Whoa, whoa there smiling, winking at it. Winking at the lady that went. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. He was drunk? Yes.

Oh, yes. But no, no. But I'm saying, I don't know him. I know the dude that he's with. I've known him for a long, long time. He was a couple of years. He's a couple of years younger than me. And so she brought it to my attention.

She's like, Hey, I want you to say nothing, but I handled it. I said, right, right. He say,

you boy that you was with his partner kept looking at me, winking and smiling, blowing kisses. I walked up to him and told him, I'm with him. And I think that's very unprofessional. You don't do no stuff like that. Hold on.

Buddy must have been drunk or something. He wasn't drunk. He wasn't drunk. So check this out. After he was getting ready to leave, I dabbed. He did it again. Oh. He did it again. So I was about to go.

Oh, he did it again? Yes. See, that's why you need me with you sometimes when you go places. You get me? Nah. That's why you need me with you, man. You need your enforcer with you, man.

That's like, that's not, listen, that's total disrespect. Not just to you, but to her as well. Because, as a matter of fact, you know, after she, after she already told him what time it is. He told him what the play was, and you still

trying to back-throw my dog like that, man? Yeah, yeah. But, uh, I brought it to, I brought it to the old boy's mansion. He like, man, I'm sorry. That won't happen, blah, blah, blah. You know, I said, cool.

I said, I ain't got no problem. I got broke. I said, me and you, I know you. Me and you, you cool.

We always be cool. But I'm just, I'm just saying everybody ain't gonna be like in a position that he got stuff to do. Right, right, right, right. Some situation,

she would have told it, but she told it in such a way as to diffuse the situation yeah hey listen what i need only only time people do stuff like that i'm telling you had a little lick in the system that's liquid courage being able to pull stuff up pull stuff off like that when you know you know listen that's my friend okay he with somebody and you still sitting there winking and smiling yeah trying to catch attention, trying to see if she gonna play. You know, all right.

Bad. Okay. Bro, I'm like, bro, I mean, Ocho, we all done been around. Look, if you're a professional athlete, you done been around situations where somebody got a bad lady, somebody got a bad wife,

or she might not even be, I don't know what she is to him, but she's with him. So that, for, I look at it, she's all with him. Oh, wait, oh, wait. I don't care what she is to him But she's with him So that I look at it She's all with him Oh yeah Always

I don't care what she is She's his wife You automatically know that She's his significant other You know that Even if it's somebody He just met y'all together Okay cool

And you know We already know that Remember the conversation Gillum had Long time ago Remember that episode Yeah You know

You know As NBA players and NFL players, you already know who's off limits. Yeah. Now, everybody else is the green light. You only get to save one. Now, you can't say, I got a wife. No, no, no.

That don't work. You get one. You get to put one up on the shelf. And that's it. Everybody else, I don't care who it is, it's a green light. Yes. I don't care if it's your wife, she your girl, or you just met her. You got one. You get to keep one.

It's like you go to the store and your mom says, pick one thing out. That's it. You can get a soda. You can get chips. You can get cookies. But you can't get them all. You get one thing out you can get a soda you can get chips you can get cookies or you can get them all you get one you can't get them all okay yeah it's it's it's a rule and it's been a rule like that for years that's it's nothing there's nothing new that one is always off limits now anything outside that i don't care who it is i don't care how long i've

been talking i don't care how long you know been talking. I don't care how long we've known each other. Boy, there's a green light. And nine times out of ten, in that circle with us, she going. No, it was like, uh-uh. But I was like, bro, I was like, man, you know what? Boy, it was rough idea. It was rough out there. It was rough out there.

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