Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Jackson & Henry ball out, Chargers defense falls flat, Jameson Williams PEDs
Episode Date: October 22, 2024Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson are fired up after Lamar Jackson throws for 5 TDs and combines with Derrick Henry for over 500 yards in 41-31 monster performance vs. Baker Mayfield and... the Tampa Bay Bucs. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Kyler Murray and the Arizona Cardinals squeaking by Justin Herbert and the Los Angeles Chargers on a walk-off FG on Monday Night Football, Detroit Lions WR Jameson Williams being suspended for violating the NFL’s PED policy, the Cleveland Browns potentially shopping Myles Garrett to a contender, the Kansas City Chiefs showing interest in Los Angeles Rams Cooper Kupp and much more!03:30 - Show starts03:42 - Intro05:11 - Ravens v Buccs23:10 - Cards v Chargers28:00 - Whats Olipoppin Off33:30 - Newscap38:15 - Miles Garret getting trade interest45:00 - Chiefs intersted in Cooper Kupp49:11 - More 49ers injuries52:55 - McCarthy responds to Aikman(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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roll over the books.
41-31. Lamar Jackson
17-22. 281. Five touchdowns. 41-31. Lamar Jackson 17 of 22. 281.
Five touchdowns. This is his
third game, if I'm not mistaken, with
at least five touchdowns and
50 rushing yards. Derek
Henry again ran wild. 15
carries. A Bucs 69.
He did have a receiving touchdown.
The Ravens on tonight. 30 carries.
244 rush
yards. They ran the ball again.
Baker Mayfield, it was those two turnovers that really hurt his team
because he was playing extremely well early,
and it seemed like when Mike Evans went out Ocho,
he started to struggle.
He got it together late, but it was a little bit too late.
31-45, 370, three touchdowns, two INTs.
He was sacked three times.
But the story of the night was that dynamic duo from the Baltimore Ravens,
Lamar Jackson and King Henry.
Again, you see what they did, Ocho?
Yes, sir.
You know your boy?
I might coach.
I might go into coaching, Ocho.
You said it first.
What does he do best?
What did he do when he was at Tennessee?
How is he efficient all those years that he dominated the league
where he was considered the best running back?
Go back and look at him at Alabama.
What was he at Alabama, Ocho?
I'll back.
Go back and look at him at Uli.
Yes, sir.
I'll back.
He has the most rushing yards in the history of high school football.
Over 12,000.
Yeah.
He's an I-back.
That's what he is.
And they put him in the I-back, and Lamar Jackson was sensational.
He was 17 of 22, but if I'm not mistaken, I think he had one drop,
Ricard dropped one early in the second half.
But they were sensational.
Yeah.
And once they got a bead on
Baker,
once he started, they got
Marlon Humphrey had two
great interceptions. Well, the first one, I don't
even know what Baker saw on that first interception.
He hit Marlon Humphrey
between the four and the four.
But that second one, Marlon
baited him because he like K'd
on. He's like, you know what?
Even if you throw it to K.Dotten, I'm going to come up and tackle him
before we get to the first down.
So let me keep drifting.
And Baker tried to look like he was looking at K.Dotten,
tried to throw it over the top, and Marlon made a heck of an interception.
So the Baltimore Ravens, they look really good.
Offensively, Ocho, they got no weakness.
No, not at all. And this is the problem.
This is the problem
when you look at the Ravens. You look
at the landscape of the NFL, and you
look at the teams
that they're going to play
or they might have to see in the playoffs.
Who's built, Chad, y'all stay with me
since I don't have to take off, what teams
in the NFL are built to be able to stop
the Baltimore Ravens?
Think about it.
Who?
What team do we have?
What team out there right now that has the defensive line that's stout enough
to stop the run and then has the secondary to be able to deal with Lamar Jackson?
I mean, nobody.
Everything I'm seeing from the Ravens right now is shocking to me.
I didn't expect Derrick Henry to make this kind of impact on that offense
as fast as he did this goddamn soon.
So what they've done so far is scary.
Obviously, some people might argue and say, you know,
the Detroit Lions might be the best offense in the league.
And if Detroit is the best offense in the league,
that means Baltimore is a close. Detroit Lions might be the best offense in the league. And if Detroit is the best offense in the league,
that means Baltimore is a close.
If Detroit is 1A, then goddamn Baltimore has to be 1B.
Because I don't see anyone being able to stop.
I'm thinking coming to the game,
Vita Vea in that front line, obviously,
I mean, the Tampa Bay front line would have success being able to stop the Ravens' run.
They would have some type of success.
Nah, it ain't happening. It ain't happening. They did everything they wanted to do the Ravens' run. They would have some type of success. Nah, it ain't happened.
It ain't happened. They did everything they wanted to do
the entirety of the game, and
they were able to throw the ball when they wanted to.
So the Ravens looked
unbelievably scary.
You know, you left for a little bit.
I was telling the chat,
if you look at the landscape of the NFL from a
defensive standpoint and perspective,
what team is out there outside the other
31 teams that
is built
in a good way to be able to stop the Baltimore
Ravens? For one, to stop the run
and deal with Lamar Jackson
and King Henry, let alone stop the
goddamn pass. Yeah.
In order for you to stop the run, you got to
be able to stop it with seven because if you don't,
if you put more than seven, now you compromise your back end.
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Right, right.
But, Ocho, what we're talking about is that when you look at the Baltimore Ravens,
in order to be able to have success
against this offense, you've got to be able
to stop the run with seven. Because
if you compromise your back end, Zay Flowers
didn't play a whole lot because he
got nicked, and so he really didn't play.
Rashard Bateman picked up the slack, four catches
for a buck 21 and a touchdown.
Mark Andrews, four for 41, two
touchdowns. Hill had three catches
44 yards and a touchdown.
Derrick Henry caught a touchdown.
And so that's what made – I mean, on 17 completions,
he had 281 yards and five touchdowns.
You know how it feels.
Because you got to play a lot – and he's so dynamic
because you got to focus on we got to keep him in the pocket.
Yeah.
Okay, now you focus on keeping him in the pocket
and you can't rush like you want to
because you're so afraid of running past him and he jumps out the window and
take off and gone and gone.
Yeah.
Every time.
And that's,
that's what makes it so hard.
And so if they're playing like this,
if they're not turning the ball,
if they had that one little snafu or Lamar through the lateral and the guy
picked it up.
But other than that,
they played a clean game. They, they, they are five and oh, since they got off to the low start the guy picked it up. But other than that, they played a clean game.
They are 5-0 since they got off to the slow start of 0-2.
And if you look at the schedule, I think they got Pittsburgh on the schedule.
They got Cincinnati on the schedule.
I think they got Cleveland next week, if I'm not mistaken.
I don't want to get ahead of myself.
I think they got Cleveland next week, Ocho.
That's another win.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
But when you look at what they have on the right on the horizon
it's gonna be interesting to see how the Steelers yeah Steelers have a defense they feel they can
stop the run with their front seven yeah without sacrificing their back end but it's gonna be
interesting they've never had to face this Ravens team with this type of running attack
led by Derrick Henry yeah That's what's different.
Now, they've always been able to run the football,
but Derrick Henry is a different kind of animal.
Well, he's the same animal.
He's just a different beast.
So that's what they're up against.
So it's going to be very interesting to see how the Steelers deal with this.
I think in three weeks they got Cincinnati again coming down the pike.
So it's going to be very interesting.
But you're going to have to be special defensively you're going to have to be sound yeah you're going to have to pay you're going to have to have gap integrity and you're going to have to play
your responsibility yeah well you know what when i think about it if they do have the steelers
coming up the steelers have a great front line obviously uh yes favorite they got tj watt they
got joey joey yeah high smith on the other side as well. And then when you look at the secondary,
Beanie Bishop is coming off a two-interception game.
George Porter Jr. is good.
So, to me, the threat isn't really at the receiver position.
They are threats.
Obviously, when it's time for Lamar to throw,
as good as he's gotten as far as his pocket presence
and being able to deliver the ball.
But that goddamn King Henry, man.
You know, like you can't rush.
Can TJ Watt really rush up the field and lose like he wants to?
No.
Like everything has to change when you play the Ravens.
Yes.
On some of the things you like to do or some of the things that you're good at.
So I have no idea how Mike Tomlin and that defense is going to be able to defend them
when if you can't stop the run.
Well, hell, Lamar now, not only can he beat you with his legs,
he beat you with his goddamn arm too.
Yep.
Yep.
It's like it's pick your poison.
How do you want it?
It is.
You want it fast or you want it slow?
Either way, he finna kill you.
Ravens got to do a better job in pass coverage they give up a lot of yardage Ocho and the thing is is that you you know uh Mike Evans went out but he dropped the touchdown
they ended up selling for three yeah uh he tweaked that hamstring um
that's the thing that concerns me about the Ravens is their pass
defense. I like Marlon
Humphrey, but that slot guy
and Steven on the outside,
you can have them. You can have your
way with them, Ochoa. You can have your way
with them. They do a good job of
attacking the quarterback, Matt Aguique.
Kyle Van Oy.
I think, what's the other
guy's name? What's his name?
Owe?
Owe?
O-W-E-H, how do you pronounce that?
Owe?
But Kyle Van Oy has found a resurgence.
He's been playing unbelievable.
Yeah.
And he provides consistent pressure.
They do a great job. I mean, they do okay.
I mean, I'm surprised that Tampa
ran the ball as well as they did. 30 rushes
for 125 yards.
Especially early, Ocho. They were getting
some gashes early.
Gashes, yeah.
That Raven defense
is good.
That front four ain't the same as the
front four during our day.
No. They're good.
They're not great.
Their team is built
around that offense. Putting pressure
on you and making you
one-dimensional.
Let's defend one aspect of your team.
Okay? Passing game.
We want to shut your run down
because we figure we get enough ahead of you,
and that's what happened to Tampa tonight.
They scored 34 or an answer.
Well, if I get you down 34 to 10,
I ain't got to worry about your run.
Right. You ain't got no 24 to run.
You run the clock. I try to get back in the game.
So that's the least of my concern.
I'm going to try to make you one-dimensional,
and then I can tee off on that dimension.
We saw
late in the ball game
the Bucs lost their
two top wide receivers, Mike Evans
with a hamstring and then Chris
Godwin was carted off the field
with a leg implying
the injury was severe. Normally
when they air cast you
something is broken or something is
seriously, seriously injured.
Yeah, he dislocated his ankle.
Hopefully.
The MRI, the results come back negative,
and it's not as serious as it appears.
Both Sid Godwin and the starters went back in the game
because they wanted to score a touchdown on the onside kick again
to tie the game because they wanted to score a touchdown on the onside kick again to tie the game.
But,
but,
you had already used your
allotted onside kicks. Yes, sir.
You had already used your
allotted onside kicks.
So what's the likelihood of them scoring?
What were they going to need?
They were going to need 10 points in seconds.
Yeah.
Now, is there a 10-point touchdown I don't know about?
I mean, it's been a while since you and I both played,
and they do change forever changing the rules. There's 10-point play that I don't know about, I mean, it's been a while since you and I both played, and they do change, they're forever changing the rules.
If they're a 10-point play that we don't know about, we miss?
Nah.
It's not.
It's not.
Sometimes you just say, you know what?
Hey, they got the best of us tonight.
Let's go ahead and run the clock out.
Right.
That's the, and I get it on both sides Ocho
you saw Derrick Henry you and I wanted
Derrick Henry to go get that
two yards three yards to get 200
but you put him out there
and he gets Nick
everybody gonna say bonehead ass coach
still got him in the goddamn game
still got him in the game
in a meaningless ball game
now Todd Bowles gonna get crucified
you're already down Mike Evans
you're already down Mike Evans
he grabbed that
hamstring
now you're down your two top
receivers
in a game
that you'd already lost
I get it.
Well, we gonna play.
We gonna play.
We play from to the horn.
The horn say zero.
To the whistle.
Okay.
The horn gonna hit zero
and you gonna be up behind a lot of these games
if those guys don't come back.
Yeah.
Because there are very many teams
that have two receivers.
Mike Evans has 12,000 yards and 100 touchdowns.
Only six players have ever done that with one team.
That's crazy.
I think he's one of six that's done it in the first 11 seasons of his career
with 100 touchdowns.
Not with the same team. Because you got to look at Randy Moss. You got Not with the same, because you got to look at
Randy Moss, you got to look at Marvin
Harrison, you look at T.O., you look
at Jerry Rice, look at Mike
I think it's about five or six guys
Ocho. Yeah.
Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to do now.
You got to be very
consistent. You have to be
able to be healthy, be available.
But it's hard to do.
The funny thing about it is
when you do it the first time and they know
it's coming the next year, it's that
much more difficult to continue to do
on top of each other, back to back to back
to back to back.
And they know you're coming. You still get it, John.
You still get it.
He had some years. I mean, look,
he had Jameis for a couple of years and you know
james could throw the ball but he was just turnover prone you can't win with ojo you can't
throw 30 interceptions i don't care what type of numbers you put up he threw for 5 000 yards yeah
that that was 30 and 30 years that 30 years yeah yes he was slinging that bitch, boy. Yeah. To both teams.
That's the problem.
You are absolutely right, Ojo.
He was slinging it to both teams.
That was the problem
that he had. Yeah.
And so I just hope, I
hope Mike Evans can get back soon.
It seems to me that he has the
least of the serious injuries
between the two wideouts.
Chris Godwin,
it did not look good.
Uh,
prayers up to Chris Godwin and his family.
Um,
hopefully the,
like I said,
the x-rays come back negative and everything works out,
but it did not look good.
Uh,
and Todd Bowles got,
this is not the end of it.
He's gonna have some explaining to do to the,
to the owner,
the Glacier family.
Yeah.
Cause, uh, there's a chance.
There's a chance that, you know, hey, you're neck and neck with Atlanta.
Atlanta is 3-0 in the division.
Yeah.
They playing some good ball now.
The Bucs playing some good ball, too, you know.
But you have to look at the opponent they played tonight. You know, the Bucs was David. I mean, no. Actually, the Bucs playing some good ball too, you know? But you have to look at the opponent they played tonight.
You know? The Bucs was David. I mean, no.
Actually, the Bucs was Goliath.
Just to stay
in context with the story.
And the goddamn Ravens was David.
I think the Ravens were favorite.
Was the Ravens favorite or was the Bucs?
The Ravens were favorite, Ocho. Of course.
Of course. That's what I'm saying. You can't
be favorite and be David. Remember in the story, David be G Of course. Of course. That's what I'm saying. You can't be favored to beat David.
Remember in the story, David beat Goliath.
Yes, but Goliath was supposed to beat David.
The Ravens in this situation were favored to win the game.
The Bucs were the underdogs at home.
Okay.
My bad.
I get what you're trying to say. Yeah, you get what I'm trying to say.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry ain't going to be David.
I'm sorry, Ochoa.
All right.
We're going to change it up for the sake of the team, then.
Yeah.
All right.
They were the whale that swallowed Jonah.
How about that?
Okay, okay.
We're going down.
We're going down.
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Ocho, I don't know how many times
and I don't sound like a broken record,
but I told you, King Field goal gets your ass
beat. Now what do the Chargers
do? Chargers kick five field goals.
Five of them. The Cardinals
scored two touchdowns in one field goal.
Boop. Yep, there it is. And walk off with the victory.
Hey, that goddamn Kyler Murray,
boy, you see when he scramble boy hit that
sideline? Oh, he can run.
Hey, listen, I knew he could
run. I didn't know he was that damn fast.
Oh, yeah. He take a thousand steps
every 10 yards.
I mean, his feet like
You know, you see the cartoons
He's scampering
But Kyler Murray
He was dishing
This game wasn't exciting
To me, obviously
It wasn't exciting as the Ravens-Bucks game
But it was good
It was good
The goddamn Cardinal snapped the sixth
game losing streak against afc teams um other than that i mean james i i don't want to mess
up the last connor james james connor despite the fumbles everybody was peanut punching the
night for some reason not knocking knocking the balls out it was a good game It was a good game. It was a good game. The Chargers look, ah, for it to be a hardball run team now,
they're not as good as I'd expect them to be.
Now, obviously, it's his first year.
It's his first year.
But I'm sure at some point they will get going,
especially on the defensive end, with that the defensive end with that much talent,
with that much talent that he has
at his disposal as
a coach, I'm sure he'll get that defense
going.
You see how the Minnesota Vikings defense
looks when they play?
Or the Detroit Lions
defense? That's what I expect
the goddamn
Chargers to look like. That's what i expect to look like
that's too they got too there's too much over there it's too much i think if they were on any
other team you take you know those players and put them on any other team it's it's different
yeah they got all pro players and derwin James. They got all pro.
They got a defensive player of the year in Khalil Mack.
They got a rookie of the year and a pro bowl player,
an all pro player in Joey Bosa.
They got talent on that side of football.
Asante Samuel Jr.
It's just for whatever reason.
But you can...
Look at Justin Herbert, 27-39,
349.
Shit!
But you saw...
What's this guy?
Jalen Reger.
About to score.
Get the ball punched out.
Touchback.
On that play,
I thought his foot was out, but...
It was close. Yeah,, but... It was close.
Yeah, it was.
It was close.
And, you know, he didn't feel it
because normally you try to,
when you catch the ball, Ocho,
you always try to put the ball
closer to the sideline.
Right.
So, therefore, if it's punched,
it goes out of bounds.
It goes out of bounds.
Sometimes you get an unlucky bounce
and, you know, you got it in that arm
and it goes behind you
and it stays in bounds.
Yes, sir.
But more times than not,
if you got the arm, if the ball is into the arm,
that's closer to the sideline.
Normally, you get a favorable bounce.
But the Chargers, I mean, I thought they'd run the ball a little better
than what they did.
22 rushes, 59 yards, not nearly good enough.
That's a lot of pressure on your offensive line to have Justin Herbert
drop back 39 times.
He was dealing.
He was dealing. But you settle for field goals.
Yeah.
And Arizona didn't do much,
but when they got close,
they punched the ball into the end zone.
Yes, sir.
And they ended up winning the ball game.
So the Cardinals now, what's the Card's record?
Oh, Chargers are 3-3.
The Cardinals are 3-4.
Somebody already had a buy.
I guess the Chargers.
But they've been on their buy already?
No.
Oh.
Because, I mean, everybody else has played seven games.
The Chargers have only played three. I mean,
six, excuse me. So they've had to
build on the buy at some point. Well, they got a long
way to go, boy. Yeah, man.
Jesus.
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What we popping off with tonight?
What's probably popping off today is Bill Belichick.
Bill Belichick did not take kindly to Gerard Mayo
calling some of his former players soft.
Bill went on Bill McAfee's show and said,
you know, defensively, the Patriots led the league
in rushing defense. And this year, they're way way down to 20 it's some of the same guys
it kind of it kind of hurt for those guys to call themselves they're not soft they were the best team
in the league against the run is that why y'all had the third pick in the draft this year uh-oh
hold on hold on before you have that i feel bad for the players defensively on that one
because that's a tough group.
Let me ask you this, Ocho.
Yes, sir.
Do you ever think Coach Belichick has ever called a team soft?
Nah.
That's not the way he talks.
It's not in his DNA.
If he does call them soft, he'll never say it publicly.
Okay.
Because here's the thing.
Yes, sir.
Because if he calls them calls himself who selected those
soft players that said it exactly so nah you ain't call him so we led the league in rush defense
yeah that's because everybody why i'm gonna run the ball when i can throw the ball over your head
all night long hey ocho i don't need to break in your window
if the front door is open.
That's a good one.
Why would I break a window
when the front door is open?
Coach Belichick,
I think Coach Belichick is the greatest coach
in NFL history.
Absolutely.
But you had the third pick in the draft for a reason, coach.
Mm-hmm.
Well, I mean, the NEP quarterback play as well, but you're right.
I mean, they scored.
I mean, that defense, for them not to be thawed,
somebody scored on that defense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, how many games did they win last year?
Damn, I forgot. I forgot games did we last year? Damn, I forgot.
I forgot.
Now, whether you want to call them.
So there was there was some questionable decisions on your part to coach Belichick.
Now, remember, you had Joe Judge and you had Matt Patricia calling plays for the first time because arrogance.
Now, I will take you right out of the look.
I don't know, Mayo.
But all I know
is this. The Jacksonville
Jaguars ran the ball
16 straight times.
Yeah. Not one,
not two, not three,
not four, not five.
Not ten, not fifteen.
Sixteen straight times.
Hell no.
Maybe,
maybe,
but you have to understand, Coach Belichick,
everybody doesn't, I mean, okay,
you didn't say some things publicly.
Right.
But you probably called and said,
hey, y'all played soft today.
We played soft today.
That's not like us.
Gerard Mayo is not going to do things like you did him.
Yeah, it's different.
That's okay.
Completely different.
It should.
Two different coaching styles.
That's what got everybody that came from the coaching tree.
That's why they didn't have success.
Because they tried to do it like you coach Belichick
Charlie Weiss
Romeo or Josh McDaniel
at least Bill O'Brien
did go to the playoffs yeah
but that's why they didn't enjoy
the level of success because they
Joe Judge Matt Patricia
I mean at some point in time you gotta have somebody
I mean three of the four have some success
now right yeah look at Andy Reid's tree look at Kyle Shanahan's tree I mean, at some point in time, you got to have somebody to have, I mean, three of the four have some success now, right?
Yeah.
Look at Andy Reid's tree.
Look at Kyle Shanahan's tree.
Hey, that Shanahan tree go crazy.
So, look, I get it.
I mean, look, it's hard.
I mean, he didn't call out anybody by name.
Yeah.
But, I mean, Mike would say we're soft.
We're not physical enough offensively.
I mean, if you say we're not physical enough offensively,
that's the same way of saying soft.
He's talking to everybody in the offense.
Everybody.
Anybody that blocks, you get caught up.
And when people say soft offensively,
he ain't just talking about the offensive line.
Anybody that's on
the offense, obviously the quarterback ain't doing no
blocking, but the receivers, the
running backs, yes, we all a part
of that. And we took
it, we take it personal.
Hey, you know, sometimes they'll try and have me a pretty good
game blocking.
Man, we was so...
Who?
Big game.
Now, there ain't no...
Hey, singing your boy, you know, I don't want to put myself in front of the T,
but shows over the blocks I had.
Right, right, right.
Man, I was moving my man down.
Give me my...
Give me my body club.
Yeah.
I said, the one time I have a good blocking game,
we don't perform
like we thought we should,
and damn, I can't get no credit.
Yeah!
Ocho. All right, Ocho.
It's time for News
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That's me.
That's me.
That's me.
Hey, let's go.
See what I'm saying, Ojo?
Yeah.
Hey, we do it big time.
We get graphic.
I like that.
We got an intro.
I like that.
I like that.
I like that. The bumpy start to. I like that. I like that. I like that.
The bumpy start to the career of Jamison Williams continues.
He's facing a two-game suspension for violating the NFL performance enhancing substance.
As the number 12 pick out of Alabama in 2022, he missed the first 11 games of his rookie season due to an ACL that he tore in the championship game.
Then he was suspended four games
for violating
gambling policy in year two.
He was reinstated in 2023.
He said he was disappointed
with the current suspension, but he
has no choice but to take it on the chin.
Hey,
now that you
just I know I know about this now. Wait, wait, wait, wait that you just, I ain't know.
I ain't know about this now.
Wait, wait, wait, wait a minute.
What?
He had the chance of being suspended.
Yes.
PEDs.
But at that position, there's nothing you need to take as far as PD,
PDs that gives you a competitive advantage.
Recoverability.
Oh, come on, man.
I don't know what he said.
I'm just saying.
I'm just, I don't know what he took, Ocho.
So I don't want to say, but I'm just saying.
Clearly, there was something in his urine.
Right.
That dinged it.
Fuck, man.
Hey, he doing, man, young boy doing good right now. Fuck, man.
Hey, he doing,
man, young boy doing good right now, too, man. That team in general,
he's a very, very important
part of that fixture, man, especially
for that team offensively.
He's going to have to get out of his own way, though, Ocho.
Damn.
He's going to have to get out of his own way, Ocho.
You think he was taking
his own way? You know what?
I ain't even making no...
I don't want to speculate.
Yeah, you got to know.
You got to know what you're putting in your body, though.
Because you're responsible for what goes into your body.
Yeah, you got to know.
Me, Ocho, you know.
Hey, I'm calling Greek.
Hey, Greek, what you think about this?
Right.
He's like, Sharpie, let me get back to you.
Yes, sir.
Until I get back to you, no.
Don't take it, right.
Don't take it.
I remember when, you know,'t take it don't take it I remember when you know we used to
we used to take a Fedra
and then all of a sudden they banned the Fedra
okay you ain't gonna tell me
you say you can't take it we ain't gonna take it
gotta find something else
get your ass
start working out earlier to lose
those last couple of pounds or get on the treadmill
or something
it is what it is don't you but like they say you're responsible for what working out earlier to lose those last couple of pounds. Get on the treadmill or something. It is
what it is, Ocho. But like they say, you're
responsible for what you
ingest.
Now, could it be
some stuff that could have been contaminated? Yeah, we've
seen things in the same
batch.
Hopefully, that's what it is. I hope
that they get the issue resolved and
they realize, obviously,
it was something that was contaminated,
obviously, that made the urine
sample come back with the positive.
Knowing the NFL,
I'm hoping they rectify the situation
as soon as possible.
I don't think...
Because they take two samples.
They take two.
An A and a B.
The A comes back positive, we'll test the B A maybe with a
false positive
right
I'm hoping that's the case
I hope so too
but he's going to have to get out of his own way
he's going to have to get out of his own way
he's too good of a talent
you know like the ACL injury, we get that.
That's freakish.
But the gambling policy, come on, bro.
Yeah, you can't do that.
You know damn well you can't bet on no football.
Hey, go to the ponies.
Bet the ponies.
Go to the blackjack table or something.
Williams, 23, has the team's second most receiving yards 361 and touchdown behind
armand rossite brown he's coming off a strong start in his third season playing extremely well
he got this he's the guy that takes the top off the coverage oh yeah he's the guy that hey he
could hit a crease and hit his head on the goal post. He has that kind of speed. Oh, yeah.
And so, hopefully, everything gets worked out.
I'm sorry that he's in this position, but you live and learn. He's young, and just be more responsible, young man.
You're going to be okay.
It's not the end of the world.
Miles Garrett is reportedly drawing trade interest
after the Cleveland Browns failed a one in six on Sunday.
According to Sports Illustrated, Albert Breer,
opposing teams have checked on Garrett.
I don't think they'll move Miles Garrett,
but some fishing has taken place.
Anyone can call.
Cleveland has already moved one key contributor,
six-time Pro Bowler Amari Cooper.
Cooper was set to become a free agent at the end of the season.
While Garrett still has two more years on his
contract, he recorded at least 14
sacks in each of the past three seasons.
Ocho,
should the Browns move on from Myles Garrett?
I mean, at one and six,
with such
a high caliber player, I think
it would be good for him
at this point in his career
to be on a contender,
to be able to give a team and to be able to bolster a defensive team
that is contending for a championship or a ring.
I think it would be a good move for him to be with a team that has a chance to win.
I would move him.
He probably wouldn't come out and say it,
but I'm sure that's something he would like.
A fresh start and
hell, look,
a chance to maybe win
a ring or make a run in the playoffs
really far.
I would move him.
But where? That's the question.
What's the best package
I could get?
You know they need a DN over there in Detroit you said Max Crosby
what if LA
don't want to let Max Crosby go
because he identifies of what a
motherfucking Raider is
Miles Garrett
but at this point in time when you're losing
don't you? Yes sir
is Miles Garrett
or Crosby, Max Crosby time when you're losing on show? Yes, sir. Is Miles Garrett or
Mason or Crosby
Max Crosby, excuse me, Max Crosby.
Yeah. How many wins are they
going to get you? There'll probably be more
value with draft capital because that's
what you need. You're in rebuild mode.
Right. Now, I don't know
the situation with Deshaun, but
they're probably going to move on from that situation
and probably have to eat $170
plus million in dead cap space.
What are you going to do, Ocho?
What are you going to do?
Hey, that's a tough position
to be in as a GM, to be in as an
owner, whoever makes that call, whoever makes that call
in general. Just for some reason, the
Browns haven't had any luck.
They haven't had any luck for a very, very long time.
They haven't had a quarterback.
They moved on from Baker.
And I get it. I get it moving on
from Baker. When you thought you was going to get
to Deshaun, that was in Houston.
It makes perfect sense.
Most teams will upgrade
their quarterback if they
had a chance. Let's just say for the sake of argument,
I got a chance to get Joe Burrow. I got a chance to get baker mayfield right excuse me uh or my homes or
one of these josh allen or justin herbert more unless you got one of those guys on your roster
yeah you're gonna look to get him and they don't come they don't come around often. We had never seen a quarterback Deshaun Watson
age become
available. Not in his
prime. You look at Brady.
Brady was in his 40s when he became available.
Peyton Manning was coming off
a career ending it. Many thought his
career was over. Same thing with Drew Brees.
These guys do not become
available in their
20s at 26
that's when Deshaun he became
available at 26
most teams
if you don't have one of these
if you don't have a Mahomes
you don't have a
Joe Burrow you don't have
a Josh Allen you don't have a
Jerry Garth you're jumping on this
trade with both feet.
What do I have to give
up to get it? Yeah.
Didn't work out.
Didn't work out.
But what am I holding on for Miles
Garrett for? I'm sure
he doesn't want to be a part of a rebuild.
He's probably not going to say that publicly,
but he don't want to be no part.
That man want to win.
They shouldn't even do him like that.
They shouldn't want to keep him around.
They shouldn't want to keep him around for what he can do
and what he can be a part of.
Allow him to go to a contender.
Allow him.
Allow a team to give whatever you need as far as picks
so he can help bolster their defense
so they can make a run into the playoffs.
Yeah.
So, it's going to be interesting.
There's a trade deadline coming up into November 5th.
That's election day too, isn't it?
The 5th or the 9th? it, November 5th? That's election day too, isn't it? The 5th or the 9th?
It's the 5th?
Trade deadline is the 5th.
Election day is the 5th too, isn't it?
Is it the 2nd?
I think the 5th is
Tuesday.
Yeah.
It's election day too, Ocho.
Damn.
It's going to be a lot. There's going to be a lot of people in front of their TVs.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Most definitely.
A lot of people in front of their TVs.
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And the Chiefs have been mentioned as a potential suitor.
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and Cooper Cuff trade might be enough to fix the office.
You like that.
Hey,
yeah,
I like that.
I like that.
You know,
you move cup around.
You can do a,
we can do a whole lot of things,
a whole lot of things.
You got worthy,
you know,
worthy pay that play that same role like Jamison Williams,
but I'm goddamn lions.
I'm taking the top off.
Then you got Cooper cup and Kelsey dominating everything short short and intermediate would you i like that the year that
cooper cup won that triple crown man it was the if you go back and look at it oh joe the year he
won the triple crown it was the greatest receiving season ever when you look at it in its totality
yes because not only did he win the triple crown look at what he did in the playoffs playoffs yeah so if you look at it in its totality yeah it was the greatest
receiving season in the history of the game yeah most definitely so if you if you look at that and
you think about what he was able to do that specific year in the positions they put him in
creating mismatches condensing formations put him in Listen, what do the Chiefs do very well from a creative standpoint?
Oh, they're going to find a matchup.
They're going to get people free.
They're going to find a way.
And you don't have to worry about no goddamn drops no more.
Not with that one now.
People are going to get mad.
They're hiding here.
Y'all going to say to somebody, y'all going to say Patrick Mahomes,
Cooper Cupp.
They'll be like, nah.
We ain't trading no receiver. We'll trade
you anything else other than a receiver.
But that, but that,
but a receiver. What he has
proved
15 in his greatness is,
listen, I've
gotten it done without him. Yeah.
I've gotten it done and won
two Super Bowls without an elite receiver.
For sure.
Now you give me Cooper Cup.
Come on, give me a little something.
I don't think – do people understand how bad Patrick Mahomes is playing football right now?
And they're still 5, 6-0, whatever.
6-0.
Yeah.
He's not playing good football.
And that's what I'm saying.
But I think he gets a pass for what he's done in the past.
Well, I think the thing is that what has happened is because
even though he's not playing well, he's not being consistent,
when the rubber needs to meet the road, he make a play.
Every time.
Either with his leg or he's going to make that throw.
Yeah.
Because if you go back and look outside of the first quarter,
he didn't play well in the AFC Championship game.
But when Andy Reid dotted up on third down,
he hit Valdez gambling.
You go back and look at Zubo, he was
struggling early against
the Eagles and
the 49ers.
You look at the Eagles in the second half,
he didn't miss a throw because he knew
he had to be perfect because
they were behind.
Every drive, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown,
field goal. Look at the situation.
49ers had the momentum.
He's like, hey, I got to be perfect.
And he was. He has
that ability that very few
Brady.
Brady can play that garbage for three quarters,
four quarters.
Let him have a chance to beat your ass and see what he do.
Yeah, we're counting most.
You know Mahone, when Mahone be locked in,
he get in that mode, right?
He get to hitting this.
Soon as the play in,
give me the play right now.
He wanted fast as hell,
so he already got in his mind.
Okay, this is the play I'm calling.
Boom. What is everybody doing? Give me that what you call it. Give me the play. this is the play I'm calling. Boom. What is everybody doing?
Hey, give me that.
Give me that what you call it.
Give me the play.
Give me the play.
I done messed up.
Come on.
Hurry up.
Yeah.
Nagy, give me the play.
I want to hear it.
But, yeah, I think the thing is, in cup with that high cap number,
and you're probably going to move on with Cooper or with Puka.
Right.
A little younger.
They got some, you know, Atwell has caught the ball well.
They got some guys that's making plays.
So it's going to be very, very interesting to see what happens.
Right.
More 49ers woes.
Deebo Samuel has been hospitalized due to pneumonia
and fluid in his lungs.
There is no timeline for his return.
And George Kittle has a sprained foot and is considered day-to-day.
Brandon Aiyuk is, in fact, done.
He has a torn ACL and MCL, according to Ian Rappaport.
There may be other damage.
His 2020, hey, his 2024 season is over with a long road back in 2025.
Rudy McCaffrey, San Francisco is experiencing the worst injury bug we've seen in a very, very long time.
You know what?
Who this might be good for?
And I wish you'd know how I am.
I wish injury on nobody.
But I think this might be a good thing for the Cowboys.
Because coming off the bye, who's the first team they play?
I think they might have.
Oh, the Niners?
Yeah. I think they might have a chance to actually get a victory
and get some type of momentum in this deadly gauntlet of games
and teams they have to face coming off the bat.
And with all the injuries that the 49ers do have,
I think the Cowboys have a good chance to win this game.
And I tweeted it earlier today.
I don't understand what percentage it is,
but the percentage of players that are getting hurt
with soft tissue injuries or having tears,
Achilles ruptures,
the percentage has to be high.
It got to be higher than normal
because it just seemed like it's every week.
It's every week and each year
it keeps getting higher and higher.
We talk about non-contact
non-contact injuries you know people pushing off or exerting a certain type of way and just it's
like the bodies are falling apart at such a young age for young players and it shouldn't so early in the season. So early.
And I just can't put my finger on what it is.
I think it's the field turf.
I don't remember.
Like I said, you know, the field turf,
the synthetic, that's not natural grass.
Everybody has that field turf because, Ocho,
football is not the only sport they play on that.
They have all kinds of, they have concerts. And and you know when they have those stages out there,
it's hell on real grass.
We need something that's doable.
We need something when we dump 50 tons
of dirt and have a
truck,
you know, a monster truck thing.
Or a motocross.
We need something
doable, Ocho. And grass
is just not built to hold that.
These stadiums have to do more things than just have a football game.
What is so fine?
They have concerts in there, Ocho.
They have football games.
Maybe have the MLS.
They have a whole, they're going to have a World Cup is going to be there.
That's going to be the opening ceremony for the Olympics.
Yeah.
Oh. going to be there. That's going to be the opening ceremony for the Olympics. These buildings have to do more
in order to help pay for themselves
than host sporting events.
Guys,
when it's time to get your money,
that's why you get your money.
Can you imagine if Brandon Ayuk didn't get his money?
That's why you get your money.
Get your money.
Don't you take your ass out there.
Get that.
Yeah.
Or you get your big ass, like Chase, get you a big ass insurance policy.
That's going to be, hey, that's okay.
I'm going to get paid if I have something that's going to decrease my value.
Let me get that.
Lord of London, hand that off to your boy.
Dang.
Yeah.
Ocho, Mike McCarthy responded to Troy Aikman's
critical comments on the Cowboys receiver.
They don't carry any weight with me
because I watch all the tape.
I go to all the tape. I go to
all the meetings. I'm at practice. I'm part of the game. So I have a clear understanding
of what and where. Troy's statement in particular, I don't agree with the word selection.
There's definitely need for improvement in every position, not just one position,
not just the one position that he commented on. So he the tape. Right. He go to all the meetings.
He's at all the practice.
Yep.
What are they telling
about that home record, Ocho?
Well, they ain't won
that home yet this year, huh?
They just got, hold on.
The New Orleans Saints
dropped 45 on them.
40 ball, 40 ball.
Who was just the last team
here that had dropped 45 on them? Damn, what game was just the last team here that had dropped 45 on them
and what game was that
who just beat the brakes
off the Cowboys
was it the Lions
yeah the Lions
was it all the trick plays on them
yeah
hook a lateral
to a tackle
hey hook a lateral
to the tackle
a back shoulder fade
to the left tackle
I mean come on man a ladder to the tackle? A back shoulder fade to the left tackle.
I mean, come on, man.
I mean, come on now, y'all.
I mean, Dan Campbell, y'all boo-jiving now.
Y'all, how you gonna throw a back shoulder fade to a left tackle?
Hold on, this ain't college.
Yeah. This ain't high school.
I'll do whatever I want.
This NFL, that's disrespectful. I'm serious. that's disrespectful I'm serious it's disrespectful
it's very disrespectful
I think the thing is
what makes it hard
is who Troy is
because I know when I was
critical of the Broncos it carries
more weight
it carries weight
and people respect Troy's opinion.
He's a quarterback.
He won.
People respected my opinion.
I won.
I played in Denver.
They know.
And I don't take it lightly.
Right.
The Broncos were great to me.
I don't take any joy or any pleasure.
I don't take joy.
But I just have to be fair with it.
Yeah.
You got to be honest. I mean, if I see something, same with the Ravens.
The Ravens was great. Ravens were the one that
really secured, that made sure the kids got
college fun and everything was taken care
of. It was the Ravens that did that.
But if they're not playing well,
if God's not playing well, I think it's my
obligation to say he's not playing well.
Hey, did I tell you, Ocho?
Hey, Ravens fan, did y'all know?
What I tell you, Derrick Henry.
What I tell them?
I told them to put him in the capital I.
Capital.
Capital.
Now, see, oh, okay, dog, we get it.
That ain't what y'all do.
Now, when I said something about Lamar and Lamar proved me wrong,
y'all run that.
Y'all had that on the loop.
Y'all kept running that.
Hey, Unc, what you think about this?
You still think Lamar overpaid?
Oh, you still think Lamar?
Now, I give you a little something, something.
You know, I have a little something, something.
Because normally, when I say something, nobody will say it.
Oh, thank you, Captain Obvious.
Now, all of a sudden, oh, anybody could have saw that.
Well, why didn't they say it?
I gave it.
I was like, man, I'm thinking about this.
I'm waiting.
I was like, man, because it's somebody else.
Because, you know, if you say something, somebody will say it.
Oh, you got that from such and such.
Oh, you heard College work or you heard Brady.
Bro, I don't watch the sound because I don't know what they say.
I don't even know what I don't know what Brady's I know what his voice sounds like because I've heard him talk.
But I heard her talk about a game.
Yeah, because I don't listen to the sound.
Right.
Because what he's telling y'all, I know I'm not looking to.
Oh, this quarter touchdown. Yeah, my team scored. Oh, my team got I know. I'm not looking to, oh, they scored a touchdown.
Yeah, my team scored.
Oh, my team got a sack.
I'm interested in why.
How?
Who did what?
Right.
How is this possible?
Was this a TE?
Was it an ET?
Mm-hmm.
What coverage did they run?
Was it weak?
Was it a fire zone?
Was it bomb blitz?
Cover zero?
Cover five?
22?
Whatever the case may be.
But y'all don't want me to have none.
Let me get, give me B.
Run me my credit.
Dude,
I get it.
I said, you work. I said,
what'd I say?
I think I said, you can unfollow
if you like me, if you want to.
But before you go,
put D here in the eye.
Man, you know what, man?
I mean, for somebody, man, they done took, man, the Ravens fans,
they be on me though, bro. They be on me hard.
Hey, they don't let nothing slide.
They don't let nothing slide. I think the Ravens
fan base be harder on me than the Cowboys.
And y'all know I be killing the Cowboys.
The Cowboys are
only three at home. The defense have given up
44 more points and two of the
losses. The turnover bug has bitten
Prescott yet again with six
interceptions through six games. The running
game is an NFL-worst
72 rushing yards per
game.
Okay, my bad. 77.2.
No. Hey, Ocho,
them two inches.
77 yards, two inches.
Oh, hell
no.
But I, look, and I think the thing
is Troy
Mike you do realize that Troy watched film too
yeah that's a part of his job
his job is to watch film
yeah and he knows
when a receiver is busting
it he knows when a receiver
how he's supposed to get in and out of break
what we call transition
yeah
I mean bro when a receiver, how he's supposed to get in and out of break. What we call transition. Yep.
I mean, bro.
Instead of getting upset about what Troy say, fix it. Yeah.
Guys, we tipping.
Yeah. Guys know when you
get in the ball, you bust the ass.
When you're not, it's a run. Or it's going to
somebody else. We can't have that.
Right. And you know it holds even more weight, obviously,
for one, for being a player and play the game,
but then calling the games and seeing it for yourself or watching the
field and seeing it for yourself.
And, you know, anything coming out of Troy's mouth,
not only does it hold weight, but it's factual based on what he's seeing.
I think, I think Mike McCarthy doesn't
like Troy's words,
but the words that he's saying is based
on what he's actually seeing.
What?
What happened?
What happened?
Cowboys fan, Chris
Christie, how the hell he from Jersey,
he's a Jersey native, how he became a Cowboys fan, un. How the hell he from Jersey? He's a Jersey native.
How he became a Cowboys fan of somebody knows to me.
Call Lions head coach Dan Campbell classless over the Detroit 47-9 win last Sunday over the Cowboys.
Dan Campbell response today.
The last somebody the last time somebody called me classless classless.
I was drinking wine out of a bottle
I'm not worried about it
good answer
good answer good answer
man
good answer I like that
and you know every time
Derrick Henry rushes for like
a hundred a thousand yards
cowboy fan
we could have had Derrick Henry.
We could have had.
So, in other words, we would rather have Deuce Bond, Zeke, and Dowdell over King Henry.
That's why Jerry get tested because he see.
But Jerry Jones said he couldn't afford him, huh?
Ocho.
He said he couldn't afford him.
Ocho. It's like the girl in the club.
Right.
You got to ask to see if she got somebody or not.
And even if she does, she might be mad at him that night and want to get her lick back.
Ta-da!
I'm here for it.
Hey, listen, it's a dirty game, man.
Damn!
It's a dirty game.
Hey, Ocho, let me help you hit him upside his head.
Wah-wah!
I just kidding.
Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
Nah, uh-uh.
I ain't helping nobody get no lick back
because guys will hurt you with some foolishness like that, Ocho.
So I just leave that alone.
Oh, you know, but me and him, we...
You and who?
Oh, no, that's just my...
Mm-mm.
Mm-mm.
Yeah.
Mm-mm.
Oh, no.
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