Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Jameis Winston falls short, Christian McCaffrey out, Belichick believes in Rodgers

Episode Date: December 3, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Jameis Winston throwing for 4 TDs and 497 yards but falling short for the Cleveland Browns vs. Bo Nix and the Denver Broncos on Monday Night Football. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss San Francisco 49ers RB Christian McCaffrey heading to the IR with a PCL injury and backup running back Jordan Mason joining McCaffrey on injured reserve with a high ankle sprain, Bill Belichick saying he believes Aaron Rodgers will rebound in 2025 and much more!03:13 - Show Start03:30 - Intro06:00 - Browns v Broncos29:40 - Lamar Jackson leads pro bowl votes34:07 - McCaffrey’s season is over37:00 - Rodgers passes blame again48:30 - Bears head coach opening most sought after54:30 - Dionte Johnson invisible with Ravens58:25 - Thibideaux says NFL locker room should be meritocracy1:01:43 - Tyrod Taylor files eviction notice on Draya Michelle(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Y'all know what it is. We Bronco Country. You go to the mile high, 5,280 feet above sea level. Right. You know when you come up in there, it ain't an easy place to win. Mm-hmm. Look, Denver has a very good defense. Although notwithstanding tonight, they gave up damn near 600 yards of offense, Ocho. Yeah.

That defense did. But it only matters. When they needed to bow their backs, they bowed their backs. And they got a win thanks to Jameis. Y'all know who he is. This is who he is. He'll give you great numbers. I mean, were you surprised?

Cleveland, I mean, the Ravens had him. Remember Hamilton dropped that pick? And the next play, what did the Jamers do? Come back and throw the game-winning touchdown. The Broncos didn't let him off the hook. Like the famous Denny Green, rest your soul. They are who we thought they were, and we didn't

let them off the hook. Pick six, when we talked about Ocho, we talked about that last pick, the second to the last pick six, where McMillan got him. If you. When we talked about Ocho, we talked about that last pick that was second to the last pick six. Well, McMillan got it. If you late without out ball, Ocho. He's going the other way every time.

And if you are late, it better be, it better be outside and going out of bounds. Yes. So, uh, Jameis,

give me Jameis stats. I think he was three yards short of 500 yards. Hey, he had an excellent game. He was throwing the ball. He should have had 500, and Joku dropped about six of them.

He should have hit Judy on that first post early in the game. He missed Judy on a long one. I had a question. I'm sitting here watching the game, and I'm thinking to myself, well, are they calling a different type of game plan when Jameis is back there and when

joe joe flacka was back there as opposed to a different game plan when the sean was back there because i'm trying to understand why is the offense flowing so much more smoother as opposed to when flack and when james is back there as opposed to when goddamn thehaun was there. I'm just curious. Don't start me lying, Ocho. I wish I could tell you. I'm talking about everything looks completely different. It does. Everybody getting open. I mean, it just... I can't explain it for my life.

And everything seems so condensed. So condensed when Deshaun was at quarterback. Either way, the numbers that Jameis has been putting up ever since he's taken over since Deshaun was that quarterback. Either way, but the numbers that Jameis has been putting up ever since he's taken over since Deshaun's gotten hurt, I mean, it's been really good.

I mean, regardless of what their record shows, offensively, they've been putting up some crazy numbers. They have, Ocho. And look, there's no denying, you don't win a national championship, you don't win a Heisman Trophy you don't win become the number one overall pick

if you don't have talent and you can throw the football Jameis problem has always been turnovers that's his only bugaboo it's hard to be great Ocho when you turn the ball over at the rate that he does he basically gave the Broncos think about

it the Broncos got 41, they could score 41 points. He gave them two pick sixes. Yeah. It's hard to overcome that. Yeah. And the defense, look, the Broncos' offense is pretty good. I mean, Bo Nix is showing that, okay, I'm sure they're happy getting Bo because Bo has played really well.

But you can't, Ocho, you can't turn the ball over. This is what I'm talking about, people. See, y'all got on me because y'all say, so look at the numbers. Look at Jameis' numbers. What was the difference in the game? Turnovers. Turnovers, yeah. Six Cincinnati yesterday difference in the game? Turnovers. Turnovers. Yeah.

Six Cincinnati yesterday, Ocho. You paid double. Three. He threw the three. Two things can be true. You can be a great player, have a great game, and still help your team lose the game by turning the football over. Yeah.

That's what Jameis did tonight. But see, y'all don't want to do that. See, y'all don't really want to have this conversation about Joe Burrow. Y'all don't want to have it. Y'all don't. We enjoyed the conversation with it. And just the difference is the turnovers tonight by Jameis were in control. They were in his hands.

He's throwing the ball away, away to the opposing team. Two of Joe Burrow's turnovers, actually three of them, he had no recollection of what was going on because other players were beat, beat, the left tackle was beat twice, and it was a strip sack. Then Cam Hayward tipped the ball, like that's out of his control. That's what I call football.

Sometimes the football got on your side, and that's what happened to us yesterday. At what point in time was the ball in his hands that it's in his control so so so if you

so if I throw you the pass and you run it and the guy punches it out that's not in your control that that's that's on me so why is it on Joe Burrow

I mean because you understand you understand based on context and watching the game with your eyes on what happened you understand. You understand based on context and watching the game with your eyes on what happened. You understand that. So, in other words, if Joe Burrow has the ball in his hands,

they knock it out of his hands. That's not on Joe. Wait, wait, wait. He strip-sacked from behind while trying to make a play and go through his progression? I mean, what? Has a receiver or a running back ever had the ball punched out from behind? Yes or no?

Not no context. Yes or no? Yeah, of course. It happens. But that's not on him because he has no control over that. See, you try. You try. Come on.

You try. All right. Okay. All right. I see what you're doing. But you're right. Okay. What about Ocho?

You said Joe Burrow, the ball is in his hand. He has no control over it. You watched the game. You saw it was a strip sack when he's trying to look down the field and go through his progression. Yes. He's saying, what, knocks the ball out. There's nothing Joe can do if the left tackle is getting beat

soon as the guy... Hold on to the ball. Huh? Hold on to the ball. So all those peanut punches, that's not on the receiver. That's not on the running back. They got no control over it.

But anyway, let's get a little further. Jameis, 34-58, 497. He was sacked three times. He had four touchdowns, three interceptions. He had a long of 70. Jerry Judy, 13 targets, had the most catches against a former team. He has nine

for 235 and a touchdown long of 70. Elijah Moore had 14 targets, eight catches, a buck 11. He played really well. Very well. And Joku had 17 targets. eight catches, a buck 11. He played really well. Very well. And Joku had 17 targets. He called nine passes for 52 yards. 17?

He had 17 targets. And he got so frustrated, he tried to take himself out. If I could tell Njoku something, I'd say, bro, there are days like this, but you need to concentrate more. If you watch him catch the ball, he's not a natural catcher of the ball. He doesn't pluck the ball. Ocho, you and I, we pluck the ball. Yeah.

That's not him. If you watch him when he catches touchdowns, he always tries to face the ball. If you notice when you throw it, he don't want to catch it like here. He want to do it like this. He wants to do it like this. Yeah, it's comfortable. If you watch when you throw it, he don't want to catch it like here. He don't want, he want to do it like this. He wants to do it like this. Yeah. It's comfortable. If you watch him,

don't look at his touchdowns. He normally is on his back. Go watch that two point conversion he got a couple of weeks ago. It was the same catch that he had. He doesn't like to catch the ball at an angle. He likes to face the ball.

So maybe he has one eye that's dominant. He might need to get that checked out because you can't, Ocho, you can't get 17 targets and they were in his hands, Ocho. It wasn't like, you got to be better. You got to be better. You got to focus. Get back to the basics.

Hey, look that thing all the way and find them laces. Find the white on them laces. And boom, back to basic fundamentals. And you touch it, then turn and go. Because the thing is, Ocho, what I try to do as a tight end, because I can talk to Njoku because he played the position that I played. I'm trying to pick the ball up as soon as I can out of the quarterback's hand. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. That's how I'm trying to. I'm not waiting until the ball gets as soon as I can out of the quarterback's hand. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's how I'm trying to. I'm not waiting until the ball gets up on me and do like this. I'm trying to pick the ball up out of his hand. Okay, I see the release. It gives me a kind of an ideal. It's kind of like a baseball player. At the crack of the bat, he can kind of tell the trajectory of the ball,

and he kind of goes how hard he needs to go in the direction. So I pick the ball up out of his hand. I have a pretty good idea of how fast the ball is coming and where I need to get to. And so I'm tracking the ball. You catch with your eyes. Your hand's just cradling. You catch with your eyes.

And he's not, his eyes, something is off with his tracking because I've noticed that early. But like I said, he's not a natural catcher of the football, but there's no reason he shouldn't have a higher catch rate than what he has. But this was a very interesting game, Ocho. It was a good game. You don't have anything to play for.

I hated playing teams like Cleveland because they throw effing caution to the wind. What the hell? We got to lose, Ocho. We ain't won but three games. We ain't going nowhere. So now, go ahead. Also, I don't know if matter of fact, he'll see this because all the players

watch these clips. That goddamn Denzel Ward, boy, you're the real deal. You, I mean, Denzel Ward is the real deal. He's one of those that doesn't get the credit he deserves. Obviously, watching him play tonight, seeing some of the plays that he make, technique, dog, these textbook sound on so many things, so much teaching tape, watching him play tonight, seeing some of the plays that he made, the technique, dog, these textbook sound on so many things,

so much teaching tape, watching him play. And, you know, you know how I feel about good DB play. Tonight, we hear good DB play. I mean, a few, few, few handsy calls that were called. But outside of that, man, Denzel Ward, beautiful game, boy. I mean, I salute you. Yeah, he got great feet. And and um you know they were able to take advantage of the corners that came in there they went right to sudden he ran the speed out uh

number 17 bro the guy's off you bo's gonna raise up and throw you the ball yes bro come on man see that's the stuff i'm talking about ocho yeah even if you're not in there you gotta watch when you're not in there what they're doing watch the starters if i'm not if i'm backing up ocho i'm watching to see what he does oh man that corner's off man look at ocho he just carlson just raised up and throw him on a one-step slant okay if i get a similar situation i'm expecting him to do the same thing right sometimes you don't get to practice everything that you're going to potentially see in the game. And you got to be ready.

Sometimes you have to pick up the osmosis watching someone else do it. But the Broncos, when they had them, and this is what I always tell people, Ocho, and I've always been a believer of this, be it offense or defense, if you are what you say you are, can you get done what you need to get done

when you absolutely have to? You said I'm a top-flight defense. Can you keep them out of the end zone? Instead of giving them a touchdown, can you give them three? If you're an offense, can you keep the ball, can you get in field goal range,

or can you get a touchdown? Well, I believe the Broncos were a pretty good defense going into this game. And when they absolutely had to have it, what did they do? Pick six and another pick to keep them out of the end zone.

Yeah. Offensively, if you are what you say you are, go get that first down and don't give them the ball back. Go get in field goal range and win the game. That's the mark of anything

that you would consider great. When you absolutely have to have it, can you go get it done? Yeah, I mean, they look good. Goddamn Bo Nix, I never would have thought. I never would have thought, based on how he looked at the beginning of the season,

obviously there's going to be some rocky, rocky starts, and then him and Sean Payton going at it on the sideline, to where he is now, to where he is now, his growth, his maturity as a quarterback, the plays he's making. Obviously, he's a dual threat as well, but he's one that chooses to throw the ball first. And then outside of that off script,

he uses his legs to make plays and throw the ball downfield. And when he has to run, he runs when necessary. He looked goddamn good, boy. Bo looked good. Cortland Sutton looked good. And man, hell, Sean Payton, kudos to what you've done so far because last year it was horrible.

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but Ocho's like, man, he was wanting to get me. He was wanting to get me. Ocho, let me do my prep. You know, listen, actually,

I wasn't even going to do it. I wasn't going to do it because I'm still, I'm still feeling a little hurt about my bangles from yesterday. You know, I haven't gotten over that. Ocho,

y'all suck. Huh? Y'all suck. Man, relax, relax, relax, relax. We're the best, we're the best 4-8 team in the NFL. We have the best. There's no such thing. Y'all suck Huh? Y'all suck Relax Relax Relax We're the best

We're the best 4-8 team In the NFL We have the best There's no such thing Okay Hey listen Yesterday I went to therapy

I went to therapy today I went to therapy today To cope With The losing Throughout the entirety Of the season Because I've been

Betting on us. I'm betting. I'm not losing. I'm not using logic. I'm betting with my heart. That's wrong with me. I'm leading with the wrong thing. I'm not using common sense.

I'm using delusion. I like it. It's hurting. It's hurting. I'm going to get over it. It ain't hurting me. I feel good. Of course it ain't hurting you because you're not a Bengal fan going to get over it. It ain't hurting me. I feel good.

Of course it ain't hurting you because you're not a Bengals fan. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How about that? I feel insulted. No, I'm not. How are you feeling insulted? I mean, you're just happy your team won. Don't worry about it.

You will be home. You'll be home. You'll be home before the end of December. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what y'all do. I got a travel agency. Tell the guys to hit me up. I got great deals. Cabo, Jamaica. Where y'all want to go? Where y'all want to go? Y'all ain't going got a travel agency. Tell the guys to hit me up. I got great deals. Cabo, Jamaica.

Where y'all want to go? Where y'all want to go? Y'all ain't going nowhere. Cancun? Puerto Vallarta? Well, listen. If you got a good travel agent, make sure you do me a favor. Make sure you let the Broncos players know they're going to be right with us about two weeks after the season over, too.

Maybe a week. Maybe a week, if that. Whoa, whoa, whoa. We're going to be a week if that. Whoa, whoa, whoa. We're going to be in the same place. We're going to be in the same club drinking the same drinks. Listen to the same- I was told that the road to the AFC

goes through Cincinnati. The road to playoffs is not going to even go through Cincinnati. Wait a minute. The AFC North doesn't even go through Cincinnati. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

Y'all talking. Y'all over there bumping them gloves. Wait a minute. Talking your ass off. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Y'all talking. Y'all over there bumping them gloves. Talking your ass off. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. This just happened to be an off year. This happened to be an off year for us.

We will be back on track next year. You ever roll Amtrak? Yes. And you know, sometimes Amtrak, it jumped the rails sometimes. We jumped the rails. We jumped the rails this year. That's all. Yeah, it jumped the rails. Next year, we'll get back on track. Y We jump the rails this year. That's all.

Next year, we'll get back on track. Y'all said that last year. We didn't say that last year. Yeah, you did. Who said it? You did. Me? We get a slow start. I don't know why my bangles get off to a slow start. Bro, y'all won three games.

So if you got off to a slow start, what the hell happened in October and November? Okay, September, y'all got off to a slow start. You only won one game in September. Well, hell, you only got three wins since then. So what happened in October and November? I didn't say that. I mean, speaking of this year, I mean, historically, our defense is bad.

It's very bad. It's very bad. And then I don't even know how you fix that. I don't know what you have to do to fix that. Offensively, you know, again, like you said, Joe Burrow has to play like effing Superman to overcome how bad our defense is. So yesterday, the turnovers, it hurts,

even though to me, like I understand your point of view, it's him fumbling the ball, but there's situations that are out of his control and there's nothing he can do. The ball's in his hands, it's in his control. Okay, okay. I know, I know, I know. Let me ask you a question. I'm not going to argue with you.

I ain't going to argue with you. If I'm the pan, if you're driving the car and you're running something, it's like, hey, okay, it's out of my control. You're driving the car, though, Joe. He got the ball. Hold on. Hey, I'm glad you just said that. If I'm driving the car, right, and you riding with me,

and there's somebody else and somebody hit us from behind, is that my fault? Did you stop us? Somebody hit us from behind. Did you stop abruptly? Did you stop abruptly? No, I did not. OK, well, no.

No. OK, thank you. See, same thing. Same concept. But see, I was going to see. But you type of guy that, hey, no. No. Okay, thank you. See, same thing. Yeah. But see, I was going to see, but you type of guy that, hey, it was raining and my car slid. You're driving too fast for conditions. You see, that's in your control.

Slow your ass down. That's why you're going to have to play it. I don't even like that. I don't like that hypothetical because when it's raining, my black ass is in the house. So you've never driven in the rain? No, never. Never.

I promise you, for one, I'm not getting my hair wet being outside because of the humidity in Miami. So I don't have time for that. But that was... Jared Judy throws shade at the Broncos before the game. My rookie year had a few drops. That was the biggest thing. But the years after that,

I feel like I wasn't getting that many opportunities to showcase my talent with all these different OCs and different schemes and stuff like that. So I really couldn't show my abilities and show my route running skills. It just wasn't a fit for me. I agree. It just wasn't working over there. I felt like I was a way better player than they used me as. I wanted to go somewhere that would use me, see my full potential, and take advantage of it.

He's absolutely right. Oh, yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. They got down on him because he was dropping. He dropped some passes, and he was kind of nicked. Yeah. And you're right. For whatever reason, they had a lot of OCs.

We had difficult quarterbacks in and out of the lineup. And I saw the guy that won the Bolitnikoff Award as a sophomore, the route runner extraordinaire. Extraordinaire, yeah, he is. What I saw as a junior, his last game against Michigan, he went over 200 yards. I just knew, I just knew it. Yeah.

But for whatever reason, it didn't work. And that's okay. Sometimes, Ocho, you get into a relationship, it doesn't work with her. It doesn't work with him. You get this new gal. You get this new guy. Yes, sir.

And it's harmony. Yeah. That's not a knock on nobody. It just didn't work. And if that's okay, stop trying to figure out why it didn't. But look how good it is now. He's somewhere. They believe in him.

They gave him an extension. They're getting him the ball. He's showing his ability. He's great after the catch. He has tremendous route running skills. Oh, he can stop on a dime. He's twitchy. Bro. It's all showing up. It's all showing up.

I've always talked about that. I knew he could do it. I couldn't understand why he wasn't getting it done in Denver obviously he goes to a situation in Cleveland where he's able to display that artistry

you know that art that I call route running and I'm happy for him Judy I know you're gonna see this matter of fact I'm gonna call you tonight anyway I'm calling every goddamn body tonight enjoy yourself man

keep it call them bingos and tell them one after another keep stacking them one after another. Consistency. Stacking what? Huh? Stacking what? Being consistent. Oh, okay. I thought you were talking wins.

Oh, no. Come on. You ain't got to do that. I thought you were talking wins. I ain't talking about wins, but just stacking them consistently from a personal standpoint as a receiver. Once you get that confidence up, boy, it's a wrap, boy. Put y'all,

put Cleveland, Cincinnati record together, y'all still out of the playoff. Put them together. Hey. Not that bad. The state of Ohio will. Boy, y'all had a rough one.

Ohio State got kicked at home. Cincinnati got kicked at home. Boy, look at him. Boy, look at him. Boy, Ohio ain't doing well right now. You don't got to kick a dog when he down. You know that. That's the best time to kick him.

He right there. You don't have to kick a man when he down. That's the best time to kick a man. He right there. Right there by your foot. It's hard to kick somebody standing up. He on the ground. He right there.

What better time to kick him? He down. Let me help you get up. Hey, you shot at. Man, Ocho, man, look. I really wanted Jameis to get 500, though. Listen, I said, man, I hope

you to have a good game. Yeah. To show what he could be. Oh, yeah. But it wasn't going to be in Denver. He came back 235 outstanding. Mm-hmm. The Broncos got the win. It just goes to show you. And that's what I'm saying, people.

Look at Jameis Knight. But he's undone by the turnovers. Yeah. Turnovers will ruin a great game. We've seen basketball players have a great game. And then you turn the ball over, Ocho, on the last possession. You're down. Or you're tied.

You turn it over. The other team go down there and they make a basket. Ruin your night. In football, a baseball player maybe has two home runs, drive in seven. But it was his era. So we've got to stop this notion because somebody had a great game, you look past everything else that might have gone into it.

It's just more than about their stats. Yes, we like to have stats because that's why we keep the stats. But turnovers is also a stat. And they can directly attribute to wins and losses. Two things can be true. Somebody can play great but have turnover that costs their team a game. Oh, it's your Lamar Jackson League. All players in initial Pro Bowl voting.

Lamar has received the most fan Pro Bowl votes of any player. Derrick Henry is second. Next on the list is Saquon Barkley. Third on the list is Josh Allen. Fourth on the list is Josh Allen. So Lamar is one, Derrick Henry is two, Saquon is three, Josh Allen is

four, and Jameer Gibbs is fifth. Is there a surprising omission to you? I mean, no. I mean, you look at everybody that you name and look at their resume to date and what they've done so far this season. I mean, it's in the right pecking order.

It's in the right pecking order. I mean, some might switch Josh Allen and Lamar, but either way, it's all based on preference right now. If we were to have an MVP, I think Josh Allen might be leading that race. I think he would win too. So it all depends. And if it's fan voting, if it's player voting, it all comes down to preference, especially if it's Pro Bowl voting, because everybody that you just named,

regardless of order, is playing phenomenal effing football right now. So you can't go wrong no matter what. There's no Patrick Mahomes. There's no Travis Kelsey. For obvious reasons. I know they have a winning record, but they're not playing well from an individual standpoint. As a team, yes.

Individually, uh-uh. And matter of fact, I don't even think they would be able to go to, they wouldn't be around to go to the Pro Bowl anyway. individually go ahead I don't even think they would be able to go to they wouldn't be around to go to the Pro Bowl anyway now they might be playing possum you never know no I mean I don't think

they would have earned it now sometimes guys get to go on reputation. Yeah, name alone. Yeah, yeah. But if you look at it and say this individual earned the right to participate in the Pro Bowl, I'm going to say no. Right. I'm going to say no. Now, you take three quarterbacks.

First of all, three quarterbacks go. I don't like the way they do it now because they have the Pro Bowl before the Super Bowl. So you know normally the quarterback that makes the Super Bowl, he's going to be a Pro Bowl player. He's not going to go. So that's why you get these guys all of a sudden, oh, he's a Pro Bowl throw. He was the ninth alternate.

Nobody else wanted to go. I mean, once upon a time, Ocho, once they're like, now you got ninth and eighth guys. Come on, bro. I mean, once upon a time, Ocho, once they're like, now you got ninth and eighth guys. Come on, bro. Bro, they took the backup to Lamar from Baltimore one year to the Pro Bowl, the quarterback.

Come on, Ocho. Yeah. You're taking a backup? You got 16 starters. He'll back up. Nobody else wanted to go. But that's on his resume. Right.

But you're right. I agree with everything you say. I don't believe Patrick nor Trav has earned the right. Brock Bowers should be the starting AFC at the Pro Bowl. At the tight end position. At the tight end position. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely.

He's playing really, really well. Really well. With the quarterback carousel at that. Yes. Yes. Yes. And they get in the rock,

but he deserves it, man. Hey, I thought when I watched him as a freshman, I said, this guy, I said, this guy can play in the league and he go and he's really good.

And then I saw him in sophomore year. I said, yeah, he'll talk to him. Pick. You can see it. His ability, his ability to track the football, his, his ability to run after the catch. He can catch it on the crowd.

I mean, he's fluid at his size. I mean, offensively, he has no weaknesses. That's what you're looking for. These guys, you've got to be able to play in space. You've got to be a matchup nightmare. And he's a matchup nightmare for your safety, for your linebackers, for your corners,

because of his side, because of his quickness. He's, he's, he's, he's really, really good. I mean, he has the potential to be historically good.

That's how good he can be. He has that ability to be historically good. And, you know, the Raiders tight end, you know, you go back to, uh,

uh, Dave Casper, the ghost of the cup post, your Raymond Chester, they had Todd Christensen. They've had a history of having some good ones. Yeah, yeah. I think Dave is in the – I think Casper is in the hall too, I think. But that was a great game tonight. Christian McCaffrey, 2024 season started late and it appears to be over.

McCaffrey has been placed on injury reserve due to a PCL injury. He's sustaining the 49ers loss to the Bills. Shanahan added that McCaffrey injury won't require surgery. He'll miss at least six weeks. With just five weeks left in the regular season, McCaffrey will not return to this campaign unless San Francisco mounted what appears to be an unlikely playoff run and even if he ran it dead

I'm not going to jeopardize a playoff run for next season because now Ochoa I mess right ahead his man he mess right mess that PCL if he has to have surgery now I'm going to have him he's not going to be able to have an offseason he's going to have to rehab rehab and that's what happened

you rehab it you're not training and so yeah it looks like his season is over and he didn't come to the middle of the season and I have a simple philosophy if you limp into the season you're going to limp out of it you're going to limp out of it

Isaac Guerrero Gordina? Garendo. Garendo is expected to be San Francisco lead back for the remainder of the season because what you call Watson

is on IR also, Ocho. They've just been hit with the injury bug, Ocho. They really have. Hey, that's unfortunate, because this is the time of season, if you want to make any type of run, even have a goddamn chance, but one, you want to stay healthy.

But to have this many people go out, I mean, it puts a damper in all your plans, and whatever they may be. And hell, Shanahan might be just scratching it, and just preparing himself to get everybody ready for next season. He just might be, Because there's no way you

can compete with Mason out. Yeah, Jordan Mason. What are you supposed to do? It's tough, man. Ain't nobody feeling sorry for your ass. That's for sure. Never that.

Ain't nobody feeling sorry for your ass. Nah, nah, nah, never that. Ain't nobody feeling sorry for you. Never that. And you know, definitely the receivers, uh, just a yuke out, you know, Devo doesn't,

doesn't, doesn't, doesn't seem like the same Devo I'm used to seeing, you know, last year, Jawan Jennings offensively has really been the only goddamn shining bright light. Uh, Kittle kind of been Nick.

Yeah. Uh, but you know, it know, it's been one of those years. They didn't get off to the best start, and now the injuries are starting to mount. Yeah, man. You're only going to be able to do so much. I get that next man up, but

that's coach speak. That's cliche talk. There's a reason you next man. Let's start speak. That's cliche talk. There's a reason you next man. Let's start there. Yes. Dang. Ocho. Yeah.

After Jeff lost his seat to the Seahawks, Rodgers was asked about his pedestrian statistic. And he was quick to remind everyone it's not all his fault. There are 11 guys on the field. Sometimes it's my fault. fault. There are 11 guys on the field. Sometimes it's my fault. Definitely. Multiple times today and then sometimes the details

aren't there in other spots. The Jets are 3-9. They're 0-5 when Rodgers has a chance to win the game late. He threw a brutal pick-six since 2022.

Rodgers ranks 30th out of 35 quarterbacks in total QBR. Ocho, at some point in time bro you just got to say it's me yeah most quarter when brady see the thing is brady is quick man the great quarterback and i'm not talking about the average guy i'm talking about the great because i think rogers deserved to be mentioned with those guys. Right. They ask you about you. I'm not playing well, Ocho. Shanna, you know what, Shanna, you're not having your typical year.

Yeah, man, I ain't playing well. I'm not seeing the ball, you know. I'm just not playing well. Right. And, you know, I need to take advantage of the opportunities when they present themselves. I think sometimes because I'm trying to force it, because I feel like the opportunities that I normally would get aren't there.

I'm trying to magnify that. So if I get an opportunity, I'm trying to make three opportunities and I can't. I'm trying to make everything a home run because I'm trying to make, I'm trying to show everybody that I'm still that guy. That's all you have to do, Ojo. Why mention anybody else? They ask you about your numbers. Yeah, he's not going to do that. He's all you have to do, Ojo. Why mention anybody else?

They ask you about your numbers. Yeah, he's not going to do that. He's not going to do that. And actually, they got the wrong people that are asking the questions. You know, if you got the right person to ask the question, they're going to ask the question in such a way where you have no choice but to answer it in a way that we want to hear directly. Not around the bush. Not about your numbers. I'm talking about specifically.

When you can't dodge. You can't beat around the bush. When you can't even mention anybody else. Because the question is going to be directly pertained to just you. Not even give you the angle to be able to put others in it. Yes, we all know it's a team game. But bitch, we ain't talking about the team right now. We talking about you.

Yes. It's all in the questioning. All in the questioning. It's just tough for him. And it's hard. Ocho, when you've been great for a long time, and all of a sudden you're not great anymore and you see your mortality.

Yeah. Man, that thing, hey. It's tough. He can't go get you them 300 yard games and them four touchdown games like he could in Green Bay he can't just whip it when last time you see him do this

when last time you see him do that the discount double check or you know his favorite thing he pump oh yeah that little fist

yeah we we didn't get that we might get we might get it next year well he must be playing golf or something listen wherever he gonna be Yeah, we didn't get that. We might get it next year. Well, he must be playing golf or something. Listen, wherever he's going to be playing, I know one thing, the Jets don't have no options right now.

They still don't. Even with him there, they don't have an option. Ocho, he's about to be 41. He's about to be 41. Yeah. What situation do you get better with age? Playing a professional sport at that age. I'm not saying that like when you know, Ocho, you know, you're in your 20s and you head towards your prime.

He's long past his prime. So when do you start to get better at that age? Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. Shit, I I'm still in my prime I probably still play right now now that I think about it but go ahead yeah you can 2k you can Coach Belichick believes Aaron Rodgers

could easily rebound in 2025 he could easily rebound from that and be ready to play and have a good year next year you look at all the quarterbacks in the league that are kind of uh their second teams and they're doing pretty well russell geno sam donald baker mayfield um you go right down matthew staff but for that matter jerry golf these guys which teams they get into a different system. Things get a little different. Whatever is the previous experience, it changes. When the guy has a long career and good career,

sometimes one season is just a bump in the road and not necessarily the end. But here's the difference between Aaron Rodgers. Tell me the expectation from those guys compared to him. Who said Russell Wilson? who said geno smith the seattle seahawks was a suit a quarterback away from the super bowl sam donald they were a super they're a quarterback away from the super bowl minnesota baker mayfield now i get matthew stafford they put him in an ideal situation talent outin-yang. So where is he going? Because at the end of the day, Ocho,

I'm going to have to, like, forego potential for one year, the opportunity to develop a quarterback and move forward into the future. For one year? Are you willing to do that, Ocho, based on what you've seen? A 41-year-old quarterback. But you know how the owners are right you know how hard it is to find adequate quarterback play or quarterbacks that are just

good especially with a resume like that and sometimes you know what you're saying you know we shouldn't even be looking about what you've done in the past is what have you done for me lately but quarterbacks get the different type of grace as opposed to other positions out there you're absolutely right different type of grace as opposed to other positions out there. You're absolutely right.

Different type of grace. And when you try to critique a quarterback, their supporters and others say, bro, I'm not trying to take away what he's done. I can't, nor would I attempt to. He's still a four-time league MVP. He's still a Super Bowl winning, Super Bowl MVP.

But what does that have to do with right now? How does he look right now when you watch Aaron Rodgers? Let me ask you this. I'm going to take Rodgers off the back of his jersey and I'm going to put Derns. I'm going to put Smith. I'm going to put Kicklider.

Right. Are you saying, you know what, if that guy goes somewhere else, they can win a championship with him? No, you're not saying that. It's just because what he once was, just because you were that, that doesn't mean you'll ever be that again. Right.

Dang. dang I just love so I'm just from you think he'll be back next year and if he's not back next year what other team would be a good spot for him to actually go

I don't know I don't know because in order and ocho in order to like why am i going to delay why am i going to kick the can down the road for one year oh i need to get my quarterback right say what you want about sean payton he knew russell wilson wasn't a quarterback i'm not willing to kick the can down the road again. I'm going to get my quarterback in here right now, and I'm going to try to win. Now, I'm going to take my lumps. I think the Broncos are better than they thought they would be.

I thought they just wanted to get his feet wet, wanted to get going, and said, okay, next year, we're going to be able to contend for the division. But Bo Nix is ahead of the curve. And so with that being said that was the right move oh cho if you know the guy that you have on your roster isn't going to is not in your future plans it is better to move on when yeah so the question is i bring him in where these quarterbacks are coming out. You got Shador coming out.

You got Cam Ward coming out. You got Jackson Dark coming out. You got Carson Bent coming out. You got these guys coming out. Okay, if you want to say I want a veteran presence for a year, but this notion that Aaron Rodgers now puts you in a situation to win a Super Bowl, that's null and void. Nah. That's null and void.

But they would use that narrative, use it as a crutch, simply because of who it is and what he's done. Again, certain individuals are given a different type of grace. And I'm not going to get into all that, but that's a whole nother story. Yeah. So that's all I'm saying, Ochoa, is that. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, it comes down to consistency. Yeah.

Your quarterback's got to be consistent. You can't have these waves. You can't be up and down. Look at the quarterbacks that win. Championships. Look at them in their Super Bowl season. And he's all over the place. I mean, the numbers yesterday were bad.

But he hadn't played well this year. He had a game or two that you're like, okay. He's showing flashes of brilliance yet again. And that's what I tell people. If you and I was older, we could put together a game, but we couldn't run them back to back like we could in our prime.

Hey, give your boy that thing. Let your boy take it. Hey, Big Play Shay could take the game over. I could, but it was spaced out once every month. Once every six weeks. I couldn't put them together

back to back to back. Now that you know, I put them together back to back now, you know? Yeah. Something else. Oh, look at Toad.

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do you believe the Chicago Bears will be one of the most coveted jobs from a head coaching staff, from a head coaching position in the NFL? I think so. I think so, simply because you have a quarterback. You have a quarterback that you can work with. The quarterback has a foundation. He has something that you can work with, depending on who comes in there. What type of offense are you going to have for that foresaid quarterback?

Can you find a way to keep DJ Moore happy? Can you find a way to keep Kenny Allen happy? Adding some more pieces to that team offensively, I think it could be a nice job. It all depends on who the coach is. I told you what I told you. I told you what I said and what I like. Hell, I like goddamn Bill going there.

Hell, I like goddamn Bill going anywhere. I think all Bill needs is a goddamn quarterback. An organization like Chicago would be perfect for Bill. They're going to give you the keys and allow you to do everything you need to do to allow them to compete in the NFC again. Is he going to be able to relate to today's player? Maybe be the Bears of old. Hell, maybe be the 85 Bears once again. You never know.

Is he going to be able to relate to today's player? Listen, one of the greatest things in life that God has given everybody is the ability to adapt to their surroundings in the areas that they're in. I'm sure he will be able to. How malleable has he been in his career? Why wouldn't he do it in New England then? If he's so easy to adapt?

I can't answer that for him. Well, you just said that he has the ability to adapt. And I just asked you, why didn't he adapt? Well, listen, you have to be able to adapt to have that kind of success at anything you do. What did he adapt to? He was rigid, hard-line. What did he adapt

to? It worked. But we're in different times. I think Bill understands we're in different times. In order for you to have that same success, some of the things that you're used to doing, you got to do them different. I think he understands that by looking at the landscape and seeing, wait, you know what?

I got to approach it differently if I get the opportunity to be a head coach again. I can see that. Because this is how today's players are. This is how I have to coach. Because now he's forced to do that. Yeah. Sometimes that's what it takes. Sometimes your back has to be against the wall.

I agree. For you to see things differently and change your perspective in the way you do shit. I agree. I agree. Your back been against the wall before. Yes. It might not have nothing to do with the game of football. Mm-hmm.

My back has been against the wall before. It ain't had nothing to do with the game of football. I know, okay, if I don't straighten this shit up, if I don't straighten this shit up out right now, you already know what the end result is.

I still believe the greatest key to survival is adaptability. Yeah, you got to. You got to. It's not size. It's not strength. It's not speed.

It's being able to adapt to the ever-changing environment around you. And there are two things that can get in the way of that. strength. It's not speed. It's being able to adapt to the ever-changing environment around you. And there are two things that can get in the way of that. Ego and your pride. Ego and your pride can get in the way of that. If you're able to compartmentalize and set those

aside, and understanding whatever that end goal may be, and it doesn't just have to be football. It don't have to be just you coaching. I'm talking about just life in general. Setting that pride of your side for the betterment of whatever end goal you're trying to reach. It'll help.

I think if he's going to have to be that kind of that Coach Belichick that's on the inside of the NFL, and he can't be so rigid, and he can't be so structured, and he can't be so rigid and he can't be so structured and he can't be so what he was in New England. First of all, he doesn't have Tom Brady running interference for him anymore.

Right. Because Tom was the Patriot way. Yeah. You heard the guys. Bill was our coach, but we played for Tom. Mm-hmm. Hold on, let me change.

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they are, actually. Since the Panthers traded Deontay Johnson to the Ravens in October, Johnson has all been, has all but been invisible, Ocho. He's played 39 snaps in five games. Sunday marked the new low. After losing Rashard Bateman to injury,

John Harbaugh's staff chose to go with Tylan Wallace over Johnson, resulting in a healthy scratch. The situation is strange. Johnson was acquired near the trade deadline to provide the Ravens reinforcement at the receiver position, but he can't get on the field right now. Harbaugh didn't help matters much remaining vague about when asked about Johnson today at this time,

I'm going to have to wait. There are some moving parts that they're going to have to figure out and explore and see where we're at. It's the best I can do in the fairness of everybody. Oh, Joe, what's going on, bro? I mean, I don't think he knows the offense yet. He doesn't know the

offense yet. I think, obviously, Lamar has to trust him to be able to have him in the offense. For one, he's getting there late. There's only so much you can probably be able to do. I mean, the receivers, they really are set at receiving anyway. It's not like

they throw in the ball a hundred times a goddamn game. They are a running team and they throw the ball second. So the need for another receiver, especially one like Deontay Johnson, I don't think that was a great fit for him anyway. That wasn't a great fit for him. He's a route runner and twitchy and in and out and being able to create separation. That's just not the right offense for him. I don't think it's the right fit. It's just

an unfortunate situation for him. Ocho, can we be honest? Yeah. Is there ever a right fit for a wide receiver in Baltimore? No, it never has been because they've always been a run dominant team. Yeah. Yeah. But he had no choice about, you know, where he went.

He got traded. But that's the thing. So I can only show you so much. Yeah. Because you run the football. And with that being said, so, and you brought me in. Oh, Joe, it's not like I'm familiar with this system. It's not like I played in the system in Carolina.

And this is the exact system that you're running here. And so it's going to be, uh, if you notice, I thought there was game. You see what they did with D hop. They gave him a little bit. They gave him a little bit more. They gave him a little bit more. They gave him a little bit more they gave him a little bit more they gave him a little bit more now he can eat different it's a different offense and d hop fits that system in general so it's easy to it's easy to string him along little by little

and give them bigger packages as time goes on over over there you already got bateman you got zay flowers you got uh you got likely wallace you got goddamn yeah i mean they they already they they feel they feel so where do i fit in why did you even trade for me that's that's what i would be asking myself i honestly you know what i would do i would ask them to release me i would ask them release me to allow me to go somewhere where they're going to actually need and use me in the specific skill set that I do have. Deontay Johnson is good at what he does. Ocho.

It does not fit that Raven system. Ocho. He got traded from the Steelers. He got traded from Carolina. Right. Now there's some issues in Baltimore. Now, you know, your next stop is probably out in the league. Okay.

So you got to be careful when you're talking about release. Okay, I see what you mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, come on now. We're talking about it in a year's time. Yeah. Pittsburgh, Carolina, Baltimore. Yeah. At some point in time, now the common denominator with Pittsburgh, Carolina, and Baltimore is him. Yeah.

So, everybody don't get that Daniel Jones treatment you see okay okay I'm glad Kayvon Fibito

says the NFL locker room should be a function of meritocracies when asked about players voicing their opinions. If you make plays, you have a voice. If you don't make plays, you don't have a voice. Well, that's kind of how it is. That's how it is anyway. What the hell?

Yeah. That's exactly how it is. And it's always been that way. That never changed. Yeah. it is and it's always been that way that never never changed yeah now sometimes great players don't want no voice they just want to go do their job yeah but what we can't have is guys that ain't making no plays thinking he got a voice that dominates the locker room man sit your ass um sit your butt down yeah you always got one of them on every team, though, too, now.

You do. You do. You always got one of them on every team. Yeah, for sure. But, Tim, I mean, bro, that's how it is. That's the way it's kind of been. That's those guys that make plays, guys that are your better players. Those are the guys the coach is going to look to and ask questions.

Now, sometimes, know, I mean, the city is only so big, even New York. I don't care. Coaches and the team's going to find out what you be doing. So if you at bars and you hanging out every night, they're going to know now. Right. The NFL know what everybody's doing.

In season and off season. In season and off season. Yes! And offseason. They know your whole crew. They know your girls. They know everything. Which is so funny. I mean, I'm not going to get into that because I'm not into... It's not like I'm exposing anything, but

players think they're getting away with stuff on outside of the field. They're not. Little do they know. It's some stuff. Not not. Little do they know. But they know. I don't. And listen, it's some stuff.

Not that I would do anything wrong, but they brought it to my attention and what I was doing in the offseason. I'm way in goddamn Miami. Well, how the hell you know? I'm on vacation offseason. I can come back. I can come back for minicamp

or training camp or offseason program. Man, they can run down everything I did. It wasn't even no goddamn social media back then, so how the hell y'all know? Hey, they know how much money you're spending,

what you're paying on your stuff, how much you owe. Yeah. Now the team's going to pretend like they don't know because they don't want to like, well, y'all didn't know. Why didn't y'all take it to pretend like they don't know because they don't want like well y'all didn't know why did y'all take it for well we didn't know they know everything

everything that's one of the reasons I hate to throw this little tidbit out here that's why they never have a reason paying us all these millions and millions and millions of dollars. Because they're going to get it back anyway. They're going to get it back anyway. They ain't tripping. Yeah.

They got the best. All them retired FBI agents and all that, they're going to work for the sport. They're going to work for leagues. All these detectives that when they retire from the NFL, they go work for the leagues. all these detectives that when they retire from the nfl they go work for the leagues nfl nba mlb that's what they do and these guys are really good yeah tyron taylor taylor has reportedly filed an eviction lawsuit against his ex-girlfriend

eviction hold on Who is refusing to leave the house he paid for. The relationship, which ended a few months ago, initially seemed amicable with Taylor buying a home for Dre and her family while they were together.

That's romantic. The two reportedly had an agreement. Taylor would pay for the home, but Dre would rent it from him with plans to purchase it outright, eventually making her the new owner. However, the breakup threw a wrench into

those plans. Shortly after parting ways, Drell moved on with NBA player Jalen Green, with whom she shares a child with. Oh, that's young boy from Houston, huh? That is correct. Hey, boy, he nasty with it, too. Boy, he nice. The development scene caused Taylor to renege on their agreement, igniting a contentious battle over the home.

The situation escalated when Drea, who was out of town on a business trip, received a frantic call from her nanny saying that the sheriff's department had shown up at the home, claiming they were there to enforce an eviction notice. Oh. Ocho, what's going on here? I don't know. I don't know. department has shown up at the home claiming they were there to enforce an eviction notice oh oh joe what's going on here i don't i don't know i don't know but but listen listen you you oh my boy this is good huh this is this is good this this is a lot of stuff to unpack but if we have an agreement right while we're together and we break up now based on that agreement you're supposed to be renting from me while we're together i got the place for you but you're going to run for me until you're ready to purchase or buy at any point if we break up right and i bought you that i mean wouldn't you want to leave anyway

and then you know no disrespect you move on we break up and you with somebody else and you have a child with that individual. But you get to be in the house that I paid for. I would have got on out the house. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Come on. And I'm looking at it from my point of view. I agree with you.

Once you have a child from somebody else, right, then you become his responsibility. Anything I got going on, especially if my name is on that lease, if my name is on them deeds, then there should be no reason why you shouldn't want to exit that property anyway. Well, I guess her argument is, I'm renting it from you with the thing is

that I'm going to purchase it. So whatever my circumstances are after that, that's none of your concern. I'm going to buy the house. None of my who? Shit me. So you're mad because somebody else put meat on your ex? Hey, the devil is a...

You're mad because somebody else put meat in the hugger? Once somebody put meat on your ex and she gets pregnant, you are no longer my responsibility. Ocho, she wasn't asking you to be her responsibility. She's going to buy the house. You got to get about my stuff. My name is Onia. My name is Onia. You ain't going to be getting out there

shalong from somebody else, have a child with them, and then bring the child under the roof that I... Come on. She said we had a verbal agreement that I was going to rent the house. Is it on paper? Is it on paper?

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Yeah, Ocho. I'm trying to, Ocho, I understand how difficult it is. Okay, we were together. I'm renting you the house. You let somebody else come up in the house that you and I shared that you're renting. Put that thing on you. You have a child with them. And now you say, hey, everything.

You say everything is status quo. I want to buy the house. I'm feeling some type of way. I do. I do, Ocho. I'm feeling some type of way. But if I gave you my word, Ocho, this is how I am, Ocho. Man, nigga, please. Don't tell me I'm goddamn you gave you my word Ocho I am this is how I am Ocho man nigga please don't tell me I'm goddamn you gave me your word

hey man Ocho don't piss me off on here tonight now now I was crying listen I was crying last night now you about to piss me off I don't care about no word you better take that motherfucker back she get pregnant from somebody goddamn else

and living up in your shit with somebody else's child. Hell no. Oh, Joe. Oh, hell. Oh, hell. Hell no. Hell no. No.

Listen, I'm one. I'm for everything. I love everybody. I give any and everybody grace. But at some point, you got to draw the motherfucker. God forgive me for cursing. At some point,

you got to draw the line because now you're taking advantage of me. Now you're taking advantage of me for cursing. At some point, you got to draw the line because now you're taking advantage of me. Now you're taking advantage of me and my situation. You're taking advantage of knowing that I'm nice. No, come on, man.

Hell, hell, hell no. Hell what? Let me ask you a question. Wait, wait, wait. That's my place. My name is on the deed. You left somebody else in my stuff and then you let him, deed. You left somebody else in my stuff.

And then you let him, let his swimmers get up in there, get you pregnant. And then you want to bring the baby from somebody else in the place. Oh, hell no. Man, you got, man, listen. It's bad. Listen, it's bad enough. Man, you can do your thing. That's one thing.

You know, we break up. You leave. You with somebody else and y'all doing y'all thing. That's cool. I ain't tripping on that. Ocho, Ocho. But my place? Ocho.

Bring the baby? Ocho, what should have happened once they broke up, you got to go. Once you let her live there and she now we're not together. That's the grace part. That's the part of being graceful because there's somebody that you once cared about. That's the grace. That's the grace that Tyron Taylor was extending to Miss Michelle. You know what?

I really cared about you and I loved you at one point, but things didn't work out between us. But I'm not going to let you, I'm not going to leave you by the wayside. I'm going to let you stay here. But now, whoa, things turn. Yeah. Things turn. You had somebody

part the motherfucking seat like moses and gave you a child you birthed a child so the situation has changed from that point on don't play with me don't take another word weakness you mad cuz oh boy put that baby grave in her what you mean why would you why would you be mad y'all broken up you're not mad at that point but okay we're just going to sell the. You're taking my kindness for weakness. Nah, stop saying that. You said you didn't care that old boy put that baby gravy on him. Go ahead and sell the house.

No, what? It's his job to get you a house. What you talking about? He gonna get us that house. He gonna buy this house for me. That's the house. He's going to buy this one. Now, Ocho, you being petty, now.

You don't want to sell the house. You just being nasty, Ocho. You being ugly. No, you being ugly, Ocho. I got a question. Hold on, hold on. If that's the case, if he was going to get the house, he would have got it by now.

What are we waiting on? He just got that new extension. He got some money now, Ocho. If they got a child together, shouldn't they be living together? No. He live there. He live there. He in Houston playing. So when he come to LA, he be there. Oh, shit.

Damn. That's crazy. Ocho, that's the only thing I'm saying. I get what you're saying. Yeah. Once we break up, you're going to have to vacate the premises. Right. That's all I'm saying.

Mm-hmm. And now we don't run into this problem because it's not like you're expecting her not to have somebody. She's an attractive lady. Mm-hmm. So obviously she's going to get somebody. And where's she going to go? She can't always go to his place she can't always go to the hotel she's gonna bring him she's comfortable enough to bring

him back to her place that's that's that's my only argument is that once y'all broke up you said uh dreya you're gonna have to leave so initially right away yes okay you're going to have to leave. So initially, right away? Yes. Okay, you're right, you're right. But again, look at the grace. You know, I once loved you. You see how they take your kindness for weakness? I once loved you, so I don't have no problem

with you continuing to rent until you find a situation where you can move yourself out. What's Tina Turner say? What's love got to do with it? It never does. It never does. Wait, wait, let me finish. Before you even move yourself out. What's Tina Turner say? What's love got to do with it? It never does. It never does. Because when it comes to...

Wait, wait, let me finish. Before you even go there. When it comes to the other species, the great species, one of the greatest, one of God's greatest gifts to not just earth, but to man as well,

it's always conditional. It'll never, ever be true love. Ever. I don't care what nobody say. It's always conditional. Fellas, remember that. Listen to love. Ever. I don't care what nobody say. It's always conditional. Fellas, remember that. Listen to me. Always.

Because if at any point you are unable to provide what you fell in love with, but things happen to change, yeah, okay. Okay, tell me, tell me show me that love. Tell me show me that love.

If you lose your ability to provide or you lose that job, see how long she stick by you. All right. That's, but see, that's the, that's why I don't get Ocho. Well, we break up and we stay, well, I'm still, I'm still in the apartment cup. You, you, you just asking for trouble down the road. Yeah. Yeah. apartment, you're just asking for trouble down the road. That's all I'm saying. And I get it. You look, you try to be generous. You really do, Ocho. And you're right. People take kindness for that.

It's just that I just felt that if that was the case, once we break up, just go ahead and move on. I'm going to move on. You move on. And then everybody going to be happy.

Yeah. But once you let it go on and then you have people start coming in and out. Hey, just think about that though, huh? That's just like, like sit back and think about that. i'm giving you the grace to stay in my place even though we are broken up and my place with my name on the deeds you move on but you got somebody else in my shit like logically think about that real quick. But she said theoretically, I'm paying you rent. I mean, if you're paying rental department, you're going to let the landlord come down there and say you can't put no meat

in nobody's oven? Hey! You putting baby gravy on somebody? Like'm paying three thousand four thousand whatever i don't know look i'm just speculating guys i'm just throwing out a number so i don't want people saying well you know i'm just throwing out a number you paying x amount of dollars you're not gonna let you're not gonna let the landlord tell you who you can and can't have over hey so that that's all i'm. I think for me, the mistake that was made

is that when they broke up, they didn't really break up. Because when you break up with children, you got to separate. Because if you keep hanging around, you're going to have feelings involved. And that's how people get hurt. Just move. Just move on. Make a clean

break. Because I don't know if maybe they were like, hey, we're taking a break, and there will be some point in time they'll reach some level of reconciliation. Right, right, right. But here's the thing. The longer you go, because here's the thing.

We start here, Ocho. And as days pass, this here gets wider and wider. Now, you see what's in there? Look at my hands get wider. Right. That's an opportunity for something else to come in between there. Hey, right there. Wait, wait. Go back a little bit. Go back. Go back. Right there. Right there.

Right there. Right there. Right there. Right there. See that small space area right there? That space right there, when you're apart, that's the space I call consider your bitch fucked. Yeah. That little small junction,

when you go from here to right here, yeah, that's the space of consider your bitch fucked. Excuse my language. Nah, Ocho, she ain't gonna do it like that, though. If she love you, she'll wait a minute. No, I'm talking about... No, I'm saying

if she loved... Well, I don't know how... Listen, because they did a great job. They did a great job of keeping it secret. I didn't know they had broken up. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, love is conditional, Unc. You hear me?

Yeah. Now you've got enough experience. You've got enough experience to know. You've got enough experience. I don't say I need to preach to you. You've been through it. You've been through need to preach to you you've been through you've been you've been through it you've been through a lot you know a lot i got experience it's ain't my first rodeo i done been around the block 7-11 times all right i'm not here to preach

and i'm not talking about my my situation specifically but i'm just saying in general for better context for the people that are watching in general like i was born at night not last night you know but you know and it is let me see how do you say it things things things things are things are good, for the lack of better words or phrases to use. You good, huh? Hey. Y'all been talking, y'all been communicating, I don't. Hold on, time out. A long mountain to climb.

It might be worse than Mount Everest. But you know, like, you know, like, old man. Edmund Hillary went up Mount Everest without the breathing apparatus that they have currently. So it can be done. Well, yeah, it can be done,

but I got asthma. Hey, that's okay. I played my whole career with exercise induced asthma. For real? Yeah. Got to inhale and everything. Yeah.

Keep it on me. Hey, that was, that was a good, that was, hey, I didn't know that. That was, it on me. Hey, that was a good... Hey, I didn't know that. That was... God damn, that was a good topic.

Me, Ocho, I look. But that's taking someone's kindness... It is. ...weakness. Come on, now. Ocho, for me, at this juncture, I'll walk away.

You will? And just leave the house with your name on it? No, no, no, no, no, no, Ocho. No. I'm not going to leave the house. Hey, this is what the house is valued at. Give me that. But hold on, hold on. I'm going to put the house up for sale.

So when he's supposed to go, when he come to LA? No, no, no, no, no, no. That ain't his house. He don't live there. He purchased that for her. He got the house. Yes, it's to my understanding. You see how nice that is? Yes. In this economy, you got somebody buying you a house.

You know how hard it is to find a dude that's willing to buy you a house and then let you keep it once y'all break up. Come on. Now you making my point. That should have been as soon as they broke up, Ocho. You got you got me. You got me

in sweat and shit. I get it. I get it. Buying a house? Well, you can't. You can't even get dudes to get you a cup of coffee out here. You got to buy your whole house and you want to play man man all right yeah all right okay yeah okay listen i got my dog on your heart y'all don't get my co-host hot about this. Listen, one of my favorite phrases is always, always has been, I mean, Santa's in high school.

She's never yours and just your turn. That goes in all situations. Everyone has an expiration date. No matter how long, no matter how, I'm like, oh, I'm so in love. Man, please. Everything is for you. I ain't finna let Ocho taint

me. Nah, I'm not trying to taint you. I ain't finna let Ocho taint me. Nah, I'm not trying to taint you. I ain't trying to taint you. I'm trying to find you somebody. Because, hey, listen, no matter what's happening, no matter what goes on, no matter what the hell I say on this bitch, February is still around the corner. Yeah. I'm going.

I'm walking down somebody motherfucking aisle. You're not here by him. Yeah, we going to New Orleans, so you be walking down the aisle of that plane. We going to New Orleans, mofo. That's the aisle we going to be walking down. You know what? I feel so good I don't know what it is just life and everything is just

going so well it's just you know been ups little downs here and there but the good outweighs the bad so much I can't even be upset yeah I can't even be mad Ocho I think you and i're saying the same thing i think you know they get the house he gets her he's like okay i got this and you stay here uh

you can rent the place from me yeah um and with the agreement and that's the thing we're gonna go to court and see this is why i hate courts because don't. Because don't nobody get pleased but the lawyers. Because you're paying $500, $750, $1,000, $1,500 an hour, and them hours accumulate. Trust me. And somebody doesn't pay a lot of damn lawyer fees over the last year and a half. Yeah, man. Yeah.

A lot. It's bad when you get the system involved, man. You're just wasting your money there. And, you know, because the lawyers that we deal with, they want a quarter of a million retainer. And then, you know, because the lawyers that we deal with, they want a quarter of a million retainer. And they start building off that.

Yeah. And before you know it, they call you, hey, they send an email. They need another $150. They need another $250. And before you know it, you had $750.

And now guess what? Now you got investigators that they charge you $250 an hour and so before you know it hey in six months a million dollars just like that

but it's love huh love costs I'm talking to somebody that has gone through it listen you ain't got to tell me there have been many examples before you there will be some after you and there was some before you love calls

and when it ends you know what they taking half with them because it was never love to begin with it was always conditional what can you do for me at any point the situation for the woman that you're dealing with, when the situation is no longer convenient and the opportunity isn't beneficial. Let me see that love then. Well, it's easy to love when everybody's happy and when happy and everything going and she getting what you want and you getting what you want.

Yeah. The love. Oh, I'm so happy. Yeah. OK. Holler at me when that hurricane come through holla at me when that storm come through holla at me when i'm down if i ever have one of those those phases where i'm down you know god god hoping and willing that never happens let me see the love then man it's easy it's easy to love when everybody's fucking happy

it's easy to love when the money coming in it is easy i just i just hey i'm i just i wash my hands with a hair hey this what hey what is this i find me a real estate agent what's this house worth you're getting up out of there quick, huh? Yeah, if I gave her my word that she could rent the house, and if we broke up, she could buy the house, I'm going to honor that, I'm going to move on, don't you? Yeah.

Because even if I am hurt, I'm not going to give her the satisfaction of knowing that I'm hurt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, always remember. Unc, you the prize, Unc. I look in the mirror. Remember, you know how you say Candyman three times?

Yeah. You look in the mirror, Unc. If you've ever gone through it and you always look in the mirror, you repeat to yourself three times in the mirror, I am the prize. And then you know what I want you to do after that? I want you to go check your savings account. Oh, that's what I do first.

I don't care. Huh? I do that first. Yep. I do that's what I do first. I don't care. Huh? I do that first. I do that first. I'm good. You are the prize. As a matter of fact, I'm in NYC right now.

Who is taking care of who? Huh? I'm in NYC right now. I went and saw my financial guy. He's like, Yana, we did good. I said, how good? He said, we up 27% this year.

I said, we did great. I said said we did great I said we did great yeah that's beautiful I said just hold on just hold on to the end of the year that's all I need yeah look man look it is what it is you can't believe everybody we've all been through it

you can try you can fall by the wayside trying to do that yeah but i'm not i'm not losing i'm not losing sleep i used to get when i was younger i tried like man i'm trying to make everybody happy i want to make this thing work yeah and sometimes i stayed longer than i should and i did more than i should and you learn from those i learned from those lessons and it's okay it's okay i don't regret doing anything that i did because it made me better and it made me appreciate that when someone came in my life and treated me the way that i thought i should be treated so it let me know

what was what i was accepting wasn't right yeah and so now I know when people sincerely, because if you can get mad at me at one instance and like blow up and then I'll, cause I don't like to play no games. Yeah. You know, you get mad at me and all of a sudden you don't answer my call. You blocked me.

You sent me the voicemail. Right. Right. And then, and then after a week, two weeks, three weeks, a month,

you all of a sudden you unblock me, call me. Well, that tells me you don't want when i did what you needed to do right there was somebody out there that you wanted to get at anyway right right right right right and so once you got at him and then you found out that hey all he wanted to do hey was smash your dash that's good you hey listen now you thought you're gonna be able to come back to old shape no no and then listen that that's that's the heart this this would happen when you going to be able to come back to old shape. No, no. And then listen, that that's, that's the heart. This, this would happen when you got to be careful on when you extend grace like that,

when you extend grace like that, there's always a plan B there's always a plan B there's always a backup plan and not realizing sometimes in life in general, what they always think is the grass is being green on the other side. It's just fun. It's just fun. Cause that's exactly how they view in you. That's exactly how they view you because I don't know the side. I used to be on the other side, it's just fun. It's just fun because that's exactly how they're viewing you. That's exactly how they're viewing you because

I used to be on the other side. I used to be on the other side. I used to be on the other side of the fence at one point in life. And I see, I know how to outlook and I know how we look at it. So that's why you got to be careful extending that grace like that because oh, boom, I'm going to block you

for a week. I'm going to block you for a week i'm gonna block you for a month i'm not gonna talk to you i'm gonna go have my fun and then the spin the block the comeback because you extend yes yes yes oh man you can't you you can't you can't do it oh i know but i'm saying yeah but you you play stupid games you win stupid prizes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. The Made for This Mountain podcast exists to empower listeners to rise above their inner struggles and face the mountain in front of them. So during Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast, focus on your emotional well-being, and then climb that mountain. You will never be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify. The thing that you refuse to say, hey, this is my mountain. This is the struggle.

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