Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Jayden Daniels, Deebo vs. Ocho, Garrett demands trade

Episode Date: February 8, 2025

LIVE from Radio Row in New Orleans ahead of Super Bowl LIX, Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson are joined by NFL Rookie of the Year and Washington Commanders QB Jayden Daniels. Later, Greg Olsen stops by, the guys discuss Cleveland Browns Myles Garrett demanding a trade from the Cleveland Browns and discuss the best landing spots and much more!05:20 - Jayden Daniels joins24:10 - Myles Garrett requests trade29:00 - Greg Olsen joins35:00 - Michael Pittman Jr. joins58:30 - Andy Reid1:02:15 - Jalen Milroe joins(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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5G network today. We're joined by a very, very special guest. He and his mom, they're promoting Invisalign. They both did the treatment. Jane Daniels, who's going to be the runaway rookie of the year after an outstanding season. He did something very, very

unique that very few rookies have ever done. He's led his team to two road playoff wins as the de facto leader. He wasn't relying on his defense. They put a lot on his plate, and he ate everything. I expect to see big things from this young man in the future. Congratulations on a great season, Jaden. Tell us about the treatment that you and your mom did with Invisalign. Man, I mean mean the main thing

for me you know it's appearance man you gotta have your mom okay you have them on now right I do have them on right now okay you have them on right now but for me I mean I have braces up like that so it wasn't my teeth were always straight it was like man let me enhance this more right um so I mean just a partner with Invisalign man the appearance of everything everybody look at your teeth everybody look at your smile. First thing they notice, bro. That's how you get that money. I have a question.

I want to transition into football. What? Do you understand how special what you've done for an organization that has had chaos, turmoil, and they haven't been at the depths of the bottom of the NFL, but they've always been in situations that weren't in favor of them in general. You understand?

You turned the organization around in one season. There's been no maturation. There hasn't been no steady progress or progression to them turning things around. You came in in one year and literally turned the franchise around. Do you understand that? I think I'm kind of getting the grasp of that. I didn't know how... This is real talk. Do you understand that? I think I'm kind of getting the grasp of that. I didn't know how.

This is real talk. I didn't know how passionate Washington fan base was. Like, me growing up, because you never seen, like, them at the top. I mean, you seen, like, the RG3 years, stuff like that. But when I really got there, I was like, when I got drafted, people were like, now I'm a Washington fan. I was like, I ain't never, like, heard the likes of that. Right, right, right, right. But now I'm excited to see everybody, DMV, everybody around the world,

you know, bringing out their Washington stuff, grabbing out the basement, hanging the flags up and everything. So they excited. Like watching you play, and if you're a fan, if you're a Commanders fan, you understand with a quarterback like yourself, what you're able to do in a rookie year where there hasn't been no room for development. You know, most days you wait for rookies to develop, know and then you know you see you have a chance but you give a

team hope for the next decade based off your play this season and i commend you i salute you been a fan for a very long time man but what you've done was special and not very many quarterbacks especially as a rookie have been able to come in and do what you've done when you look at what you've done the expectations now you have to improve and build on what you've done when you look at what you've done the expectations now you have to improve and build on what you've done you can't become complacent for sure because you understand what is expected of you now only because they're talking about man this guy who's to say he's not a top five quarterback as we sit here and speak currently what does jayden daniels need to do to improve to make sure this year wasn't a fluke? Man, I just think, like you said, don't get complacent.

And I think the veterans that I had, like one person I really lean on a lot is Bobby Wagner. Okay, he wags. So that's my guy, man. We have conversations. He just teaches me little things. I remember, like, shout out to him. I remember, like, we played a couple games at Rogue,

and we'd get back late. You know, you're tired and everything. And he pulled me aside, like, man, let's go get in these tubs. So we're up there, like, 3 o'clock in the morning, making sure your body's back right. But just little stuff like that is, like, never thinking that you know too much. There's always room to grow.

So, I mean, outside you always get better technically and stuff like that. It's a blessing I get to be in the system that I was with Cliff another year. Yes. So I can improve on that within that system. But just learning how to be a pro, you know, it's my first full offseason. So it's like, okay, I got to figure out, have a schedule. Like this is what I'm going to do.

It's my Rambo period, OTA, stuff like that. And just always have the hunger to get better. How do you block out the noise? Because obviously there's going to be a lot that comes along with what you've been able to do. You're a quarterback in the NFL. We know what comes along with the most important position in all of pro sports. So now the endorsements are going to come. Now more fame, more adulation, more praise.

Everybody, hey, Cub, what's up? Everybody is a friend now. Everybody is a family member now. And as your mom says, she's like, look, I know the women are coming, women are coming but i am hey my son got a husband pose i got one too i'm still following them all out the way how do you keep a level head and to understand that yes i understand what comes along with jayden daniels but i don't get outside of who i am man i just think it comes like you said support system mom dad like friends family knows me for me, and it's not here. Like, okay, let me ride his coattail and stuff like that.

So that's a big part. But also, it's a time to play for everything. It's going to be a time to have fun. It's going to be a time to go out there and party, make some money, do this, that, and the third. But the main thing, man, none of this happens if you don't ball on the field. So that's the main thing. How do I get better to continue the success and knowing, man, none of this happens if you don't ball on the field. Right. So that's the main thing. Like, how do I get better to continue the success?

And knowing, like, all right, first year is that. Like, everybody's going to have a full offseason to watch a field for year two. So, like, man, I got to improve on different things and get better myself. Listen, though, when you talk about that improvement, right, you guys were able to make the NFC Championship. What pieces to the puzzle do you think you guys need to add to make your job a little easier so the bulk or the weight of getting

things done isn't always on your shoulders? Yeah, man. I think for us, it's like, if you look at it, I think I've seen some, we got like 20-something free agents on the team, so I mean, we got to bring some people back. So I think overall, just in general, man, we got to get some people in.

We got to bring people back. But I focus on my job, man. My job is to get better. Whoever they bring in, we hone them to this standard that we set with DQ and let the front office do what they do. Now I have a question. When we talk about letting the front office do what they do, I know it's very early in your career.

Do you think you would have any say on who you bring in, especially from an offensive perspective, to be able to help you out? I don't know yet. I think if that time comes, we'll see if they call me. Yeah. Okay. But I don't know, man. They're doing their job.

Right. I'll tell them, man, let's bring some dogs in. But I'm right here. If you need a dog, I'll let you play. When I go back and look at this NFC Championship game, you guys have played well. And the one thing that you hadn't done until the championship game was turn the ball over. And you know, I'm sure DQ and WAGS have told you,

if you turn the ball over in the playoffs, you pay double. You had four of those things. How differently do you believe the game would have been had you taken better care of the football? Because you guys were right there until you had those consecutive turnovers. I think it came down to the wire. I think it came down to whoever had the ball last. Obviously, like you said, turnovers, especially in the playoffs, man,

play a huge factor. I mean, we turned the ball over against Philly in the regular season five times and won the game. Right. But in the playoffs, you know, it's different. It's a different type of beast when you're in the playoffs. You're on the road, so obviously you're playing in the crowd, playing in the atmosphere.

And, man, they got dogs over there. They got superstars. Okay, this game right here, you got the two-time defending champ and the Kansas City Chiefs, led by Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid. You got the Eagles in your division. You played them three times this year. This is their second time back in three years.

How do you see this game shaping up, and who do you have winning? I think it's going to come down to whoever got the ball last. I think so. I think obviously Saquon and what they do, Jay Hurst. You got A.J. Brown. And then on the other side, man, you got Pat. So it's hard to bet

against Pat, especially he's been here. But I think it's who can create more turnovers, who can create more negative plays on the side of the ball. And I think it's going to come down to the end. So for me, I think it's hard

to bet against Pat. I can't say, you know, rightfully so. I love playing the Eagles. Right. They're in the division, but I think it's hard

to bet against Pat. Man, I really appreciate you, man. The legendary, already icon, Commanders quarterback, Jaden fucking Daniels. Baby, I appreciate you. Appreciate you. Appreciate you, man.

Thank you for stopping by. He's repping Invisalign. Go out there to get their treatment. He and his mom are getting to have the treatment done. They're very, very satisfied with the treatment. Thank you again, Jaden. Mom, thank you for dropping him by. Thank you.

Appreciate y'all. Jaden Daniels, ladies and gentlemen. Appreciate that, boy. You can go there. Hey, don't forget your McDonald's man thank you thank you guys that was a very

interesting conversation with your dad thank you I love you thank you that was a very that was he's a very very

humble young man we had him on last year at the pre-draft. He came on, gave us about 15, 20 minutes, Ocho. And from the looks of it, he hasn't changed his persona. The way he approaches the game hasn't changed. His mom, like I said, you recognized it before I did. I'm like, well, who is this woman?

Who is this way? She don't play now. Yeah, yeah. But it was great to have him on and just to see how he was able to handle the NFL season, the rigors of the NFL season. Because you think about it. When he left, they didn't have the 12-to-8 playoffs, so they only had the 14 playoffs. So you're playing, say, 15 games. Yes, sir.

Well, when you track Black in the preseason, boy, they still got another six games to go. So you think about, so that's, if you play the preseason, the three preseason games, 12 regular season games, that's a college season if you go all the way. Yeah. Well, if you don't, well, you're done, you know, and they didn't, and he didn't play the bowl game, so now he's done after 12 weeks.

Right. Think about it. Yeah. That's three preseason games and nine regular season games. And he's done. Yeah. So now think about it. You got another half a college season to go. Yeah. And so for him to understand what it takes to be a pro. Right. Professional. He's a professional athlete. A pro is how you go about doing your business. And to see how he is a pro in the utmost sense is a thing, is a treat, is a thing of beauty to witness.

And you can tell by the way he carries himself, the way he talks. So he's perfect for a position, especially when it comes to being a leader of men. Yes. Being able to command the huddle, you know, with veterans in there. Yes. You know, and to be able to act and be mature in the way he is now. You can tell it started at home. Yes.

It started at home. I love to see, I love to see the support system that he has with him. His mom is always by his side, rightfully so. Obviously, she's known him the longest, always has, always have, always will have his best interest in mind. And I love to see that. I love to see us come together. I love to see that support system that he has. I mean, he has a group of very strong women by

his side. And so that's great to see. That was Jayden Daniels, who's going to be Rookie of the Year. Honors awards are tomorrow night. And so that's when he'll get crowned AP NFL Rookie of the Year. Some very, very select few people

have won that award. It's a thing of beauty. And he Some very, very select few people that won that award. It's a thing of beauty. And he's very, very deserving. And I'm happy to see it. But Ocho, this game, man, I mean, I go back and forth with this game, Ocho. I really do. I understand what the Eagles possess defensively.

Vic Banjo, he likes to play nickel defense. He wants to keep Cooper DeJohn on the field. So in other words, he wants to play what we call a 4-2-5. Four down linemen, two linebackers, five deep. The question is, the Chiefs, when they go with their two tight ends, because they like to play that a lot, Noah Gray, Travis Kelsey on the field simultaneous, we know they don't have a problem throwing out of that formation

because they're hoping you bring big personnel out there. And that leaves a mismatch. Now you got a linebacker. Now you got big people trying to cover Travis Kelsey who's basically a pumped up wide receiver. Yeah.

I think he's the goat tight end, but we know what he does in the receiving game. And Noah Gray who's had an outstanding season because they've given because when teams

were taking Travis Kelsey away, he was the guy that was stepping up and catching touchdowns and I was like, oh, Joe. I was like, hey, man, y'all need to cover Noah Gray. He's the one that's getting over catching four or five touchdowns.

Y'all need to leave me beat. But it's very interesting because they're going to have to find a way to control that boy dog in the middle, which is Jalen Carter. Yes, sir. He's the guy. He can win MVP of the Super Bowl. Yeah, absolutely. He has that kind of ability. Absolutely. But this is the thing about

the Chiefs. When it comes to the Chiefs, I think about offensively, you watch them throughout the entirety of the season, you never know who day it's going to be. Nope. You never know who day it's going to be. One day it might be Pacheco, it might be Noah Gray, it might be Travis Kelsey, it might be Xavier Worthy. Hell, it might be DeAndre Hopkins. Yep. That's why I think Van Jones'

job is going to be so difficult from a defensive standpoint because you don't know who De is going to be. And Patrick Mahomes is one who's not going to make mistakes. I'm going to take what you give me, and if we got to march 90 yards down the field, I can do that without putting the ball in harm's way. On the flip side of the ball for the Chiefs, as good as Spaggs is with that defense, how do you stop 26? That's the thing.

How do you stop 26? And I understand the game plan probably is if Jalen Hurst beats me, I can live with that defense. How do you stop 26? That's the thing. How do you stop 26? And I understand the game plan probably is, if Jalen Hurts beats me, I can live with that. Yeah, I'm not letting Saquon. A.J. Brown beat me, Devontae Smith beat me, I can live with that. But I give you hell and... Hold on.

I give you water and hell. Yeah, no. Come hell or high water. Come hell or high water. 26 ain't getting it done. Correct. It ain't going to be him. No.

At all. Because we know. And you have to prevent those explosive plays, don't you? Yes, sir. Because the Eagles are built a little differently. What? What? They do you good?

All right. The thing, the Eagles are built differently than a lot of teams. Yes, sir. They're built to be explosive in the run game. Yes, sir. Efficient in the passing game. Yeah. Most teams want to be explosive in the run game. Yes, sir. Efficient in the passing game. Yeah. Most teams want to be explosive in the pass game,

efficient in the run game. But there are very few teams that have a back like St. Gallen that can hit his head on the goal post from anywhere on the field. Yeah. And so now when you have a guy that can do that, okay, Jalen, we're not going to ask you to throw the ball 40 times a game, but we ask you to be

efficient. Take what they give you, some shallow ball 40 times a game, but we ask you to be efficient. Take what they give you, some shallow crosses, some smoke routes, some bubble screens. We're not asking you to push the ball down the field continuously, like you see a Joe Burrow, like you see some of these other quarterbacks in the league, and he's done a great job. When he takes care of the football, the Eagles have an excellent chance of winning.

When he puts the ball in harm's way, that's when they open themselves up to now you can get yourself beat. But I think that's what Spags are going to do. You know, most of the time, obviously, it's a certain game.

Spags, they always do what they do. They always play two shell. Yeah. You know, until you run them up out of there. Now,

if they have success running the ball offensively, the Eagles are one of the few teams where their style of play is like back in our day. You run the ball

to open up the pass. Correct. You run the ball to open up the pass. Correct. You run the ball to open up the pass. So if they find a way to stop or contain, maybe not stop, contain, and don't allow him to hit his head off the goal post and have big gains, then it's going to come down to the arm of Jalen Hurts. Yes. It's going to come down to A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith

being efficient in the pass game. So I'm curious what's going to happen. You have to concede something. Yeah. You can't take away everything. No, you can't. What do we feel they do the best? I feel they run the football the best.

The best, yes. That's what I'm going to take away. I'm not saying Jalen Hurts can't throw the football. Clearly he can. Yeah. He's been a Pro Bowl player. He finished, what, second or third in the MVP voting one year. So I'm not trying to minimize his ability to throw the football,

but I'm saying it is my estimation, looking at what the Eagles do and watching them the entire season, they run the ball better than they throw it. Yes. If I'm Spaggs, I am going to make them throw it in this game better than they run it. Right. Because we've seen them come playoff time, and for the most of the regular season, them run people off the field. Yeah. Yeah. So that would be my approach. Please, guys, thank you for joining us for Nightcap again,

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Ocho, Miles Garrett has requested a trade. As a kid, dreaming of the NFL, all I was focused on was the ultimate goal of winning a Super Bowl. And these goals fuel me today more than ever. While I love calling this city my home, my desire to win and compete on the biggest stages won't allow me to be complacent. The goal was never to come to Cleveland to go from Cleveland to Canton. It has always been to compete for and win a Super Bowl. With that in mind, I've requested to be traded from the Cleveland Browns. Hocho. I told you that was coming.

Didn't I tell you that? I told you that a few shows ago. I knew it was coming at some point. In order to compete for a Super Bowl, for one, defensively,

you can do all you do. You can do all you can. You can be the greatest defensive end of all time. But until you have someone on the other side of that ball that gives you that chance and opportunity

to reach a Lombardi and get there, he understands that. He understands that. And right now, his career, I wouldn't say it's going to waste because he's playing very well.

He's playing very well. If he was to be, say if it was the end of the day, he's still a Hall of Famer. He's still a Hall of Famer. But he understands that in order to contend for a Hall of...

In order to contend for a Lombardi, a trophy, or even have a chance, you got to be in a position, for one, a team that has a quarterback. Yes.

You got to. And so he understands that. So I understand him requesting his trade. I knew that was going to happen, especially after the quarterback carousel that he's had to deal with. You know, for how many years now? Well, I think Miles came in in, what, 2017? I mean, ain't no telling how many quarterbacks he's had to deal with. And now, you know, it's come to a head.

You know what? This is, I don't have that many more years left. I need to go somewhere where I can contend for a Super Bowl. I gave Cleveland all I can to this point.

Be fair to me and allow me to achieve a childhood dream of having a chance at a goddamn Super Bowl. Yeah, I think the thing is, Ocho, he's going to command two first-rounders,

probably more, maybe even a player. You see what Seattle got for Russell Wilson. Yes, sir. They got players, two first-rounders, probably more, maybe even a player. You see what Seattle got for Russell Wilson. They got players, two first rounders, two second rounders, and a third. You look at some of the other transactions that have happened. Miles Garrett

is an apex. He's an alpha. He's an all-pro. A guy that's had 14 sacks at least the last four seasons. He's had double-digit sacks I think, what, six of the last seven seasons. And so we know what he represents. But at some point in time, it's just not enough. Right.

And he's eligible for a contract suspension. Oh, yeah. Most definitely. Bring it up? Oh, okay. I guess I need to bring it up because you guys couldn't hear me. So sorry about that. Minnesota, you hear the 49ers, potentially the Rams.

You hear the Lions. You hear potentially the Packers. You hear some of the teams because here's the thing. If I'm Cleveland, I'm getting them out of the AFC. Oh, so there's no chance. There's no chance. Wait a minute. Stay with me real quick.

We have Trey Henderson, right? Yeah. I don't think there's ability to be able to pay him what he's worth. Right. The value that he can get on the open market. Right. Is there any chance you see Mount Gare being traded into division right to Cincinnati? Hell no.

Okay. I'm getting him out of the AFC. Okay. I'm just asking. Damn the vision. I'm getting him out of the AFC. Okay. Okay.

I don't want to run the risk of having to see him. He's going to Green Bay. Okay. Detroit. Green Bay, 49ers. Hey, give me your best offer. Right, okay. Somebody give me your best offer. Right. Now look, if somebody in the NFC gives me two, three first rounders,

I ain't got no choice. Exactly. But I think, you know, Detroit, pairing him with Aiden Hutchinson. Remember, Ocho. That's not fair. How many points they gave up in the playoff game. We saw this. There were some times that they were giving up a bunch of points, but their offense was outscoring.

You can't always be reliant on your offense to outscore people. You see the 49ers. They bring back Robert Sala. We know he loves to attack the quarterback. Can you imagine? Bosa on one side, Miles Garrett on the other side. That's not fair. With Warner in the middle.

That's not fair. And so that's going to be very interesting. I think it's going to be a little difficult because they got to pay the quarterback. Right. Now, you hear reports they're trying to structure a deal, something like three years, $140 million a year. Right. That's fair.

They're going to be willing to settle for that. something like three years, $140 million a year. Right. That's fair. That's fair. They're going to be willing to settle for that. But for me, Miles Garrett requesting a trade just goes to show you, money can't buy you happiness. No. Miles Garrett is one of the highest paid defensive ends. Yes, sir. You get tired of losing.

Losing, no matter how much you're making. You can tell people that say, oh, I'll just be happy and complacent and content. No, you wouldn't. That's easy to say because you don't win. Yeah. You can tell people that say, oh, I'll just be happy and complacent and content. No, you wouldn't. That's easy to say because you don't win. Yeah. When you want to win and you, what the hell you think? Greg, what's up, bro?

What's up, bro? Greg, what's up, baby? You good? Yeah, I'm here. I'm here. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. What you training for? I'm not training for nothing. We Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You still, what you training for?

I'm not training for nothing. We used to work out together in Miami. Yeah, years ago. Bamba Rito. A long time ago. We're joined by Greg Olson, one of the great play-by-play guys. Actually, your color. You're not play-by-play. Your color.

One of the great color guys, young, up-and-coming. When you, let me ask you this, forgive football. What's been the biggest thing from you to do? How, how were you able to become so good, so quick at doing this job? You know, it's funny when people ask me about it, you know, there's actually a lot of lessons that I learned, you know, from playing, right? Just routine preparation. Every Monday is a Monday. Every Tuesday is a Tuesday and leaning into a lot of those things throughout the course of the week

as a player, I didn't know any different, right? So when they said, all right, we got a game next Sunday and you're going to call it, I just fell back to what I knew, which is study the game. I love watching football. I love asking questions. And you have to be very willing to be like, you know what? I don't know a lot about this. I'm going to find people who really know it, and I'm going to pick their brain. I'm going to talk to great coaches. I'm going to talk to front office guys. I'm going to talk to, you know, defensive coordinators. How do you put together your blitz package?

Learn as many different aspects of the game. Organize it in your mind. Organize your thoughts. And then just lay out the game. Stay with the game. Follow it. And try to do it in a way that is interesting. It's insightful and try to add value.

And I'm still learning. I don't pretend to know it all, but I just love learning the craft of calling the games. And it's been a great transition for me since I'm done playing. Listen, I've watched you transition, obviously, from playing the game to doing play-by-play or color commentary, like coaches said. Obviously, your discipline and your worth ethic has allowed you to do so. Now, I'm thinking about someone in my position who has never done anything of that magnitude. Is it possible in any way that I could probably learn, if I could minimize my cursing a little bit, I can learn to do color commentary, or is that something you think I should stay away from?

No, I think anybody can learn it, right? So the inherent, you know, the underlying foundation of all of it is guys who love football, guys who want to continue to learn it, guys who want to continue to stay up with the trends and follow it and dive into it. Anybody can do it, right?

Then it's just communicating it in a little bit of a different setting. Right, simplicity. And that was probably the biggest transition for me. I'm a talker. I love conversation. I could sit here with you transition for me. I'm a talker. I love conversation. I could sit here with you two for three hours, and we could talk about whatever,

but that's not the broadcast. We have commercial breaks. We have referees. We have game breaks, and you get 15 seconds. That was probably the biggest thing, is just the tempo and kind of the rhythm of the broadcast. Everyone has a lot to say. Can you say a little bit, make an impact, but also not overdo it? I think that's still the balance that I'm still trying to find.

Okay. I think the biggest thing for me is that what I've noticed is you're talking about it as it's happening versus talking about something that's already happened or something that you perceive to happen. So like pregame, postgame is entirely different than doing color because you're talking as it's happening. Yeah. And I think the battle, at least the way I try to do it is I try not to tell you what you're seeing because you already see it.

I don't want to narrate the replay. I don't want to just talk over what you're already seeing. I think to most fans, I think fans nowadays are very educated. People are listening. They're listening to shows. They're listening to weekly and weekend stuff. Tell them why they're seeing it. Maybe take their eyes away from the ball. What led to this play being really successful?

What led to this read or this wide receiver route? It was a pick, but did the receiver not get flat enough on his inside break? Right, right, right. Take people into the why, the thought process. That's the part I enjoy the most. Everyone can see it was a nice catch. Right.

Everyone can see it was a sack. Why? Right. Tell us why and what the counter is going forward. That's the game that I think is the fun part to lay out. There have been a lot of conversations. You had a great, you did a great thing. I mean, your first couple of years in,

you're calling the Super Bowl and you're in the Super Bowl and you call it exquisite, excellent game. She's 49ers. Tom comes in, obviously Tom's the number one, but knowing you the way I know you and the competitor, you want to be back in that number. You want to call Super Bowl. You want to call NFC, AFC championship game.

Yeah, and again, your first question where I said so many of the lessons that I put into the broadcast center, things that were from my playing days, it was no different than as a player. You weren't just content to be on the roster. You wanted to be the starter. You weren't just content to be a starter. You wanted to be a pro bowler You wanted to be the starter. Oh, yeah. You weren't just content to be a starter. You wanted to be a pro bowler. There was always something else.

And that's the same thing now that's taken to broadcast. And again, I'm always clear. Me and Tom have a really good relationship. We've gotten to know each other. There's no personal animosity. He's not my enemy.

And I said this, him being good does it not make me good. And him being bad does it make me better. It's not connected like I want to inherently just be good at it I want to call top games I want to chase the biggest games the biggest audiences and and bring out the biggest moments of the game I want to be the voice of that that doesn't mean I don't like him I don't hate him I thought my relationship with Fox is great My relationship with Tom and Kevin and Aaron Andrews is great.

But I want to get back to that seat that I was in. And that's not a personal thing. That's just the way it works. Right. Matter of fact, speaking of seats. Appreciate you. I don't know who I need to talk to, but I'm sure the powers might be that see this. I want to do color commentary and play by play this year.

Well, there you go. Okay, I'm putting it out there. Greg, appreciate you calling me out, man. This was fun. Good to see you, baby. Good to see you, year. Well, there you go. Okay, I'm putting it out there. Greg, appreciate it. Appreciate you calling me out, man. This was fun. Good to see you, baby. Good to see you, boss. Yes, sir.

Thank you. Chase, man. I got you. All right. Color commentary coming up. Yes. No, nah, nah. No?

Uh-uh. Why? Because it's too, it's ad-lib, it's right there in the moment. You got to call as you see it. I like that. I see that it's already happened. Yeah. What's up, bro? Hey, what's up, boy you see it. I like that. I'm sure that it's already happened. What's up, bro? Hey, what's up, boy?

They do, boy. You good? Joining us now, Nightcap, Michael Pittman Jr. Sir, sorry. I'm crumbling around here. Here we go. Bro, how you doing? Good.

You good? Appreciate y'all. Congratulations on a great season, individually. Not the season that you wanted to have team-wise. What do you guys need to do in order to have success where you're in the playoffs or you're contending for a championship? Yeah, I mean, that's a really, really tough question, but...

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Be honest. Don't be politically correct. Not here. Okay, okay. Be straight up, like we in the barbershop now. All right, all right. So we have to have those tough conversations as you know like

just like as men right and and we need to call guys up right like just like not like calling them out i just like call them up to to like our standard we expect more yeah and and um that starts with everybody like that starts with me that starts with every single person and uh we just got to find ways to um close that gap because there's so many games that like you know like just like we were so close and and we just let it slip now i got a question now you speak about that gap right and and obviously everyone's goal at the beginning of the season is you want to compete to be in san francisco this this year coming up next year obviously yeah what gaps do you think need to be filled in from an acquisition standpoint offensively or defensively that can help you guys get to that end goal honestly I

think that we have a lot of our core guys right um and and like before I can focus on anybody else like I got to focus on everything that I got to do. Like, I didn't have my best season. I mean, now there are some things that happened, but just, like, focusing, like, all on myself. Like, I have to do things to produce in any type of situation. Injury, like, just, like, you know, just, like, guys are, like, out there hurt, too. Right, right.

So, you know. There was a lot made of the situation. I think it was the Texans game. Your quarterback scrambled. He ended up taking himself out of the game. I guess there was a team meeting. There were conversations that were had. The coach ended up benching him for a game, not a week.

He got benched one game, a couple of games, and then I think Blacko filled in or whomever came in for him. What were those conversations like? Because I'm telling you, as a player that's been in the locker room, has been a leader, that's frowned upon when we feel a guy left us out there to try. Because the one thing is, it's kind of like, we adopted, it's nothing compared to the military. So military folks, don't get me wrong.

But it's like, we leave no man behind. It's that we're out here together. We're going to fight together. We're going to win together. We're going to lose together. But the one thing we're not going to do is leave the other guys behind. What was that conversation that you had to have with your quarterback? Because I believe he's going to be there for an extended period of time,

Michael Pittman Jr., and you guys are going to need him. Yeah, we had a—so we actually had all of our team um so all of our team um leaders from every single position group and and we kind of had a hour-long meeting and and we talked about everything like it wasn't just centered around that like it was everybody but um i think that was a good um learning experience for him to know that that is not the standard and that he can't do that and stuff like that. So it's all just learning. And I think that he handled that period of time well because everybody was like crashing on him, right?

So we saw him show up earlier. We saw him put in more work and kind of do the things necessary to kind of earn everybody's trust back. I like that. I like that. Did you notice the difference from that time before that to the time that happened to after that? Did you notice a noticeable improvement in him? Absolutely. Like, from, like, just, like, after that benching, I felt like he came out and he really was playing a lot better.

You know, I got a question. People and he really was playing a lot better. You know, I got a question. People at home, people that are watching, we always get to see the finished product, right? The finished product of a player and what they do. You get to see them on Sundays. What do you think you need to work on as far as your game is concerned and how you can better be in a better receiver? Because I know you're not where you want to be. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I think that my next step is being able to recognize coverage at a level that a quarterback can, right? Ooh. Because, like,

I mean, like, I can see coverage, but, like, I see, like, half of the field. Right. And I'm not as good as, like,

just like a Patrick Mahomes, obviously, because, like, he can read the entire field quickly. So just getting to that point. Yeah. Yeah. Anytime, before you go, anytime, if you get to that point,

the game slows down tremendously. Yeah. No matter how many bluffs, no matter how many disguises they do, you already know what's coming based off tendencies and down and distance. But when you get to that point, boy, you're going to love it. Yeah. Let me ask you a question. When you go outside and you line up, are you looking across the field

at the other side to see what's going on over there? No. So, well, I mean, I'm really focused on corner, nickel, safety. Safety, yeah. Okay, right? Right. And then, like, if it's corner, backer, safety. Right.

Like, if it's nickel, dime, or, like, if that backer's, like, are, like, mugged up,, like it's going to be pressure. But rarely do I ever get to scan the whole field because like I'm thinking about, hey, like I'm going to give them like this move right here. And if he brings his hands up, like I'm going to do this. If that doesn't work, then I got to do that. So, yeah. Let me ask you a question.

Like we broke it down. Okay. Down and distance. Area of the field. For who they have on the field and distance. Area of the field. For who they have on the field. And it would dictate kind of the coverage. Now, they might switch it up. But down and distance, where we on the field,

we know 85% of the time they like to run this. Down and distance. Area of the field, where we are. We backed up. We at midfield. We in plus territory. We in the red zone. So that gave me a little bit of an insight.

Now, I was different because I learned as a tight end because I'm looking at fronts. They're going to play certain fronts. They're going to play certain coverages behind certain fronts. Now, you're not really looking at that. So now, if I could just, if you take a look back, like, okay, they got four down linemen, okay? Blah, blah, blah. They got

four. They're playing nickel. Four, two, five. Okay. They're playing dime. They're playing 4-1-6. Okay. It'll give you a tip. It'll give you a heads up of what the potential is. Not always. Don't go chasing ghosts. But you'll have just that extra step. And you know sometime a half an inch is all it takes between you being open.

Oh, yeah. That's all it is. Oh, yeah. Most definitely. Thank you for that. Yeah. So what you're doing down towards Super Bowl. What are you promoting? Yeah, so I'm here with Toyota.

I've actually been working with them for a whole year now. So we're down here supporting the future generation of athletes. And then they also have something for fans here at the Super Bowl experience where they can go sit in cars with team Toyota athletes. So, like, it's a really cool deal. That's dope. That's dope. Hey, Michael, appreciate you.

Tell your dad I said hello. Absolutely. Thank you, guys. Glad you're doing well, man. Congratulations. Continue success. Oh, yeah. And good luck next year, man.

Hey, better win the Colts in the playoffs. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Michael Pittman Jr. joined us on behalf of Toyota. It is great to see these young fellas come out, do their thing. Get very excited to see it. The NFL is in great hands, Ocho.

Oh, yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Guys are going to come and guys are going to go. Eventually, we saw Peyton leave. We saw Brady leave. We see Drew Brees leave and then you see Mahomes and you see Burrows and you see the Bart Jackson you see the Josh Allen's and the running

backs leave and you get Derrick Henry you get Saquon you get all these up it's a young man receiver it's a young man's game yeah and so the NFL is the NFL is in great hands with these these young and up-and-coming superstar players that are, and it's very, very, very exciting to see. But back to Miles Garrett, Ocho. I just think that's a situation where he doesn't really have a choice. He can sit there and they can pay him a ton of money. But what good is a ton of money? Bro, I'm trying to get at you.

He's already made a ton of money, huh? Yes. Money is not the factor at this point. I really want to win. He truly wants to win because you think about this isn't even his character. He's not the type to ask. He barely even talk. So you know he's fed up. He understands my window of opportunity

is very short. I would love to compete or at least try, at least be in contention. That's all you can hope for. That's all you can hope for. So I'm sure listen, the Cleveland Browns organization, Miles Garrett has done right by you for a very long time. He's given you all he has.

The fans should be able to understand that and allow him and grace him the opportunity to seek that trade and give him a chance to win a title. Because it gets tough at midseason. You know you're not going to the playoffs. So guess what? I got to bear in mind, it's cold. Cleveland is cold. We practiced outside and I ain't got...

All I'm doing is trying to finish out the season strong. The only thing I got to look forward to, Ocho, is the Pro Bowl, potentially make it All-Pro. Maybe win individual awards. Well, he's already, he's been to the Pro Bowl. He's been on the first team All-Pro. He's been Defensive Player of the Year. Okay, so there has to be a next

step. There has to be a maturation process where I'm competing for a championship. Yeah. That's the only thing left. That's it. That's the only thing left for him. That's it.

And sometimes people don't understand that. I believe two things can be true. I believe you can make a ton of money and chase a championship. Yeah, you can.

You can. Oh, I just want to get the back. Nah, nah, nah, bro. I'm telling you, when you make money and you invest that kind of time because you're away

from your family, you're lifting those weights, what you eat, and you invest that kind of time because you're away from your family, you're lifting those weights, what you eat, how you dedicate yourself, and then you're out there, man, it's cold, it's 10 degrees outside. Man. It's one thing to put in all the work all those years, to put in all the work. The money's good. The money's always a good thing. To put in the kind of work Miles Garrett has done to date, to this point,

and then not have the chance to reach the pinnacle of your childhood dream. You know, their steps is the process to it. Absolutely. Getting to the league. Okay, cool. Achieving the accolades. Okay, I've done that. Thief is the player of the year.

Okay, I've been to Pro Bowls. I've been to All Pros. What's next? Yeah. There's only one thing that's next. Yeah, first pick. I mean, think about it. First pick in the draft.

Defensive player. He lived up to everything. Yes. He lived up to all of that. Yes. Now he wants to be one of those guys to get to and contend. Not necessarily. It's like, I think he can, obviously, the ultimate goal is to reach the promised land,

to be here playing in New Orleans, or next year be playing in San Francisco. But at least give me that opportunity. I need that opportunity. And if it doesn't happen, bro, I gave it 13, 14, 15, however long he's going to play. I gave it everything I possibly could to achieve that. But he knows for the foreseeable future that is not possible in Cleveland. And you know what? The fans, hopefully the fans understand that.

I know how they are when players ask for a trade. They get upset. They get mad because their loyalty Is to the team But understanding What Myles Garrett Has done for that team Through the entirety Of his career

When they were losing Always showing up I would hope they understand And I would hope management And the people upstairs Also understand that You can continue to build And this is

And then trade him With some value And continue to build For the foreseeable future Yeah They need Look They need a quarterback They need They need more pieces And I think the pieces and then trade him with some value and continue to build for the foreseeable future. Yeah. Look, they need a quarterback. They need more pieces.

And I think the pieces that you can get for a Miles guy, yeah, you'd love to build a situation to keep Miles, but Miles has made it abundantly clear. He wants to move on. He wants an opportunity to compete. And I don't believe none of these guys that's coming in the draft is Jaden Daniels. No. Or has that kind of ability and I don't think the team

is that close. And I've said this before, I think Cleveland is farther away than what Washington was. Right. And so with that being said, go ahead, package him,

get two first rounders, get a second rounder, third rounder, maybe a potential player back and start the building process. They're going to take a quarterback. They're going to take a quarterback, Cleveland. I don't know

which quarterback, but they're going to take one. There's only two available. First of all, Deshaun's not going to be available. Right, because he's missing this entire season. He tore the Achilles and he re-tore it. So who are we talking about, Cam Ward or Shador? That's going to be a very, very interesting evaluation process.

Different skill set. Cam is more athletic. I think Shador is more accurate. You look at it, both played against top competition. Shador, coached by his father, has been a quarterback his entire life. I think Cam Ward has been a quarterback

his entire life. It's just going to come back down to, okay, which guy do we feel fits our system? And we can turn the keys over to him. I think both guys,

because at the end of the day, when I'm taking a player that high, Ocho, I want to be able to sit my phone down, and if I put it on silent, I ain't got to worry about nothing. I ain't got to worry about getting a call. Hey, you know, I'm sorry, Coach Stefanski, we got a problem.

I don't believe either guy will have to worry about receiving that call. Absolutely not. And so that's going to be, this is when GMs make their money. Oh, yeah. Hey, if I'm in a spot, because you're picking high and you got to choose. I mean, hey, if I'm in the 20th spot and the guy falls to me, he lands in my lap. Right. I mean, Brett Beach trading up to take Patrick Mahomes and trading, trading up to take Xavier Ward.

Right. That's when you earn it. I mean, if I just stand pat and I'll just take okay I'm in the 16th slot okay I take that guy and that guy turns out to be great it don't really do nothing yeah

but when you gotta make a decision you're this high knowing that you you take a quarterback right now oh Joe

you don't want to take another quarterback for another 10, 15 years yeah but that's the hard part finding that quarterback where you don't have to take one for another 15 years

whatever Harry Roseman and Lurie are doing over there with the Eagles, listen, the NFL has always been a copycat league, especially when it comes to watching film and things that you see work on other teams with opponents coming up that you're playing. Well, the GMs need to do the same thing. Whatever the Hunts are doing, whatever Lurie and Harry Roseman are doing, they need to copycat. The other GMs need the copycat what they see the Eagles do. But Howie had to know something. They had just gave Carson Wentz a ton of money.

Oh, yeah. And you take a quarterback in the second round, Ocho? Yeah, but he got the injury, remember? But no. But, uh... He needs a security blanket. But he had already come off that injury. Oh.

And I gave him a boatload of money, Ocho. Normally, we don't see that. Imagine you pay a defensive lineman that kind of money, and then you turn around and they're like, boom. I don't think the Eagles taking another D lineman. You got Jayla Carter. You got Jordan Davis. You got Williams.

I don't think them taking a left. Like I said, he knew something. Something, yeah. And then guess taking a lift. Like I said, he knew something. Yeah. And then guess what? Boom. You know what? I mean, now you hear all these rumors that how he was as a teammate. You see how he was not willing to take the coaching.

See, they see things and they know things that the general population is not privy to. Right. And so now it's not a surprise given what we know about said situation right it's almost like the Luca Luca people and people this is what gets me about I still don't get it man I don't care if he 300 pounds see people love spending other people's money you would care if it was your 350 million now a restaurant give you bad service you won't go back. That's $450 million.

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Nah, it's just like anything. When you make a trade for Peyton Manning or you make a trade for Tom Brady, you go get the owner's blessing. Oh, yeah. And if the owner says no, you ain't got no choice. Just the same thing Coach Saban, when he talked about on the Pivot podcast with Ryan Clark, they wanted to sign Drew Brees, but he had an injury.

Many men said, nah. Nah. That shoulder. Yeah. And so Nico is taking the brunt of it. And that's what you have to do. Sometimes, Ocho, you got to be the face of bad decision or what seems to be a bad decision. But and not everybody say, well, what happens when they don't want to pay that Supermax contract?

Well, we're going to find out. Listen, I think things are going to work out because if there are issues internally, especially with Luca, as far as working out weight, he's at the right place. He would go. He would. He had the right place. Let's see. Now, if Houston, excuse me, it's not Houston. If OKC don't give Shea Gilgis that max contract, then I'm going to say, OK, the owners are trying to save money.

The owners don't want to spend these, don't want to pay these max contracts. Whoa, whoa, whoa. They can't. They can't play with Shea like that. Why not? You can't. Because he's the complete opposite. Shea has that same DNA as Kobe.

Shea has that same DNA as Michael Jordan. Ain't no issues off the court. He works. Boy, don't do that. Don't do that. He had no issues where? Off the court. He works. Boy, don't do that. Don't do that. He had no issues where? Off the court. Oh, okay.

Okay. Oh, he going to get that max. But see, that's what I'm saying. We're going to see the young guys that have been at a team for five plus years, six years, and now they're eligible for that super max. Yeah. It would have been interesting to see if Nikola Jokic is able. Now, if the Nuggets say,

nah, we ain't about to pay Nikola no $350 million. Man, please. See? Please. Now, when I think about Jokic and I think about Luka, what's the difference?

What's the difference? Same style of play, same methodical movement efficient when they no weaknesses but what's

liability on defense a little bit yeah you know okay but here's the thing now what's the difference

this is Yoki says I was fat I realized I was drinking too much so I was drinking too much soda I cut the sodas

out I dropped 20 pounds and boom I realized I was drinking too much soda. I was drinking too much soda. I cut the sodas out. I dropped 20 pounds and boom. Boom. Boom is three of the last four years, he's been the MVP. The next year he didn't win it, he was second. Right. He's won a final.

He's been to the finals. He's won finals MVP. I think a lot of that goes because I think the thing is, Ocho, like when you look at what a young guy that has issue, I don't want him to become an old guy with issues. And I definitely don't want to become an old guy with issues when I got to pay him $70 million a year. I got you. The cashier at McDonald's has a different responsibility than the manager.

See, the guy that got the keys to open up the restaurant, he can't be late. The cook can be late because we got somebody else that can get on the grill. Right. Get on the grill. Get on the grill. Right. The guy that got the keys

to the store, he can't be late. Right. Because my muffins need to be coming out there at 530. Yes, sir. Because I'm going to be in line.

We had Michael Pittman Jr. He talked about the situation with Anthony Richardson that the every, the leaders in every group, running backs quarterback

obviously quarterbacks wide receivers D-line and they had a conversation yeah and by all he bro you can't do Ocho

you and I I think the thing is sometimes Ocho because when you play a sport you see things differently and things that that fans or casual fans

was like blah blah blah that doesn't work in a locker room guys at all it That doesn't work in a locker room, guys. Not at all. It's a different mentality in a locker room. It's a different mentality than a normal workplace. And so I thought he did a great job of explaining it

and saying, look, we let him know. He said it. He started being first one in, last one to leave. Why can't he started being you know first one in last one to leave how can a quarterback not be the first one in and the last one to leave Ocho yeah with all the responsibility that's on his plate yeah yeah I mean okay if you want to be a long snapper hey you come in like five minutes before you leave soon as soon as practice on that them guys ain't got no meeting right right the only position with a special team guys ain't got no meeting. They're the only position. Special team,

they ain't got no meeting. The kicker, the punter, what you mean for? They're going to snap you the ball, you're going to punt it. Hey, we're going to kick the ball,

okay, stuff like that. But most of the time, kickers, punters, snappers, they don't have special teams. They on their own program.

They do their own thing. But for me, I just didn't understand it. And I'm glad they had the conversation with him. He's going to be all right, though. Yeah. He's going to be all right. Too much talent.

Sometimes, Ocho, you need a wake-up call like this. Because he was so talented, I'm not so sure they ever had these tough conversations with him at Florida. Right. And sometimes guys try to come in with tough conversations. When you don't have these tough conversations, he's always been supremely talented. High school, college. And so

they're not going to have these kinds of conversations. But in the NFL, when they paying you that kind of money, you have those conversations. And rightfully so. Andy Reid says he'll coach at least, at least,

one more season. At least one? That's what he said. I'm not buying that. I'm not buying that. I don't think Patrick Mahomes is buying that. I think what Andy Reid

has the ability to do as a head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs and do something that's never been done before, and they could probably run the gauntlet for another two or three years. They can run the gauntlet for another two or three years, even if Travis Kelsey decides to retire. They are so good.

Patrick Mahomes is so good. You can plug and play. Travis Kelsey, Cheetah leaves. Tyreek Hill leaves. Plug and play. Super Bowl. Chita leaves, Tyreek Hill leaves, plug and play. Super Bowl. Man, not just one, two of them. Travis Kelsey leaves, you plug and play. You find someone else. You got Noah Gray, he takes

over the pot. Nah, I go make a trade for my Kyle Pitts. Ooh, that's not fair. I go make a trade for Kyle Pitts. That's not fair. That's unfair. Again, that's what I just said. You plug and play you lose one

you bring someone else in he's a little different than Travis Kelce different styles of play he can get it done I'm not sure how they would use him based on him being

as athletic as he is he's a little different than Travis Kelce you know but man listen as long as you got that 15 over there man the Kansas City Chiefs

are basically the Tom Brady and Belichick of this era. Who's the coaching waiting? Is he on staff? Is it Spags? Is it Nagy? Do they go outside? You can't go outside because you want to keep the continuity. You want to keep the continuity.

You want to keep the same offense. You want to keep the same mindset. You want to keep the same culture. So how do you do that? It has to be somebody that's already under Andy Reid that can come in and take over. If anything, it would be Spaggs. It makes sense.

It only makes sense. Or bring somebody else. Have Eric Biennium come back. Maybe not as the head coach, but as the play caller because he already knows the offense. That'll be very, very interesting to see. I'm surprised that he said that. He's only looking at one more year, it seems like.

But, you know, the coaches, the responsibility that's on their plate and the hours that they put in. A lot. And Andy's been doing this for a while. Yeah. What, 99 was his first year as a head coach? Mm-hmm. So Andy's been doing this for a while. Yeah. What, 99 was his first year as a head coach? Mm-hmm. So Andy's been coaching.

He was with the 49ers. He was on Coach Walsh's staff. Then Mike brought him with him to Green Bay. So Andy's been coaching, damn near 40 years. Ooh. Because my brother, he was in Green Bay with my brother. My brother and Mike Holmgren got there in 92.

And he came with Mike from the 49ers. I don't see it happening. Because I'm going to put myself in Andy Reid's shoes and understanding not as a team, but the individual accolades. The individual achievements that I can achieve.

You know, there are some there are some records that are right there within reach. Yeah. There's some records that are right there, you know, within reach for Andy Reid. I don't think he steps away from the game until he surpasses those records. That's going to take him a while to Ocho. Coach Schuller. Coach Schuller is 328 wins. Where's Andy Reid right now? Andy Reid is at 273 328 wins. I think 328. Where's Andy Reid right now? Andy Reid is at 273 regular season wins. Right.

He's at 301, if I'm not mistaken, playoff wins. Total wins, 347 is the record, Coach Shula. You know he can get that, right? Ten wins a season, it's definitely possible. Yeah. Ten wins a season. That's enough. Let's just say for the sake of argument, for's definitely possible. Yeah. 10 wins a season. Let's just say for the sake of argument,

for another six seasons. Yeah. Yes, it's possible. You got that 15, man. Oh, yeah, I know. He's special. The question is, it's not whether or not it's possible.

Do I want to put that kind of time in? Because that's what it is. That's what it is. You know what? At this point, that car can run itself. When you have a special player like that, when Peyton Manning was with the Colts, who ran everything?

The car can run itself. Patrick Mahomes has got to the point where he's as good as he is, it can run itself. It can run itself. What's up, boy? You good? That's all. Alright, good. It can run itself. What's up, boy? You good? That's all.

That's all. All right, guys. Joining us on the set right now, nightcap, okay, daycap, Jalen Milrow, former quarterback of the Alabama Crimson Tide, who decided to give up his final year of eligibility to go into the NFL draft. Jalen, thanks for joining us. So what are you repping in? You're just here for the Super Bowl.

What's going on? What are you selling? Yeah, so I'm repping Auto Trader. Okay. They made this event possible for me. So I'm coming from Orange County, California, a long day of travel. And it's a great opportunity to be here.

Definitely inspired, you know, to understand why I'm here, Super Bowl. You know, I'm inspired to achieve my next dream, which is during the draft process right now. So, you know, I'm representing the auto trader today. I got a question. This is not where you really want to be. You want to be prepared for the game. This is the first time, so hopefully in the future,

we don't see you back here again. Not in this. Yeah, no, no doubt. No doubt, yeah. Thinking about it, how has the process been getting ready for the draft? Yeah, so the best thing right now, I'm able to pour into myself right now

and invest in myself. One thing that's unique about the office is no shot clock. So you have time to develop, time to pour into things that you need to improve on. So I'm around a lot of great people. Where I'm at,

I'm in Orange County with Jordan Palmer and Mike White. Jordan? Yeah. That's my White. Jordan. Yeah. That's my backup. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So I'm with him right now. So it's been fun to build each and every day and find beauty in the process. Yeah. So what does Jalen Melrose need to work on in order for him to get to the level of quarterback that he wants to be and know that he can be? Because obviously there's some things that you need to work on there's no finished products coming into the draft there's no finished products once you enter the draft but what is the most important thing you feel you need to work on

putting my body in the best way fast as far as efficiency to get to make every throw on the football field okay um that's number one um number two the exposure to the nfl although i lack experience it's come from watching tape it comes from being in that system and so during this process I've been able to do that going to the Reese Bowl

going and working with Jordan Palmer being able to reflect on tape and acknowledge you know where the area of weakness is to strength

and why you're able to do that is by playing so you know for me the transformation from 2023 to 2024 being a first year starter um then

my final season in college and so just the exposure piece number one but also just um having this offseason to really narrow down how can i put myself in the best way efficiently to make every throw on the football field because that's what's going to be needed when it comes to performing on sundays but also playing on time playing us upright and doing things the best way, fashion, so we can lead our offense to win. What do you think is the biggest transition from high school to college, college to the pro, although you haven't played in the pro yet, but I'm here, you said you're working with Jordan Palmer, and I'm sure those guys are telling you what you need to do the biggest. What do you think the biggest transition is going to be for you?

So it all starts with preparation. You know, preparation is so key. Taking care of your body is number one and making sure that you're getting the amount of sleep that you need, you know, nutrition-wise, what you need to be feeling in your body, all those things. Number three after that is how are you pulling guys along? Of course, you can talk X's and O's and stuff like that,

but do I have a relationship with my receiver? Do I have a relationship with my tight end? Do I know how Osho will run his route? Do I know how you run your route? Just knowing each guy runs their route differently on the football field and having that relationship with them is so important. And then when it talks to going to the NFL, it's all about how do you process the game everybody

processes the game differently but how often are you getting with your officer coordinator uh head coach and something that i try to do is see football in the lens of the play caller at the quarterback position so that we're moving the right way fashion because coach is calling this play on third down because he saw this in preparation it's just little things like that um when it comes to being the best quarterback I can be. And so it all starts with preparation. You know, preparation builds confidence. You know, when you get,

when you touch the field on Sunday, it's time to roll. And that's time to think. It's time to roll. It's time to fall back to your level of training. And so the times where you make your mistakes in the preparation phase is going to help you out

when it comes to Sundays. And so, like I mentioned, you know, what's unique about the offseason is no shot clock. So during that time frame, what's unique about the offseason is no shot clock. So during that time frame, it's all about building. I like it. The thing that I've heard most about you is inconsistent. They say, look, the guy can make every throw on the field.

He has a big time arm. We know the kind of leg that he has. There haven't been very many quarterbacks to rush for 20 touchdowns in the season, pass for 20 touchdowns in the season in the SEC history. And we know what that conference represents. But when you hear that inconsistent, inconsistent, how does Jalen get better at those inconsistencies?

The objective is to win, right? So you can go back to the drawing board and, you know, fix whatever needs to be fixed, you know, fall back to what do you need to improve on. But each and every week that you have to play, the objective is to win. And so it's not, you know, worrying about external factors, worrying about what's been said or anything like that.

It's all about what your teammates think of you, what your head coach think of you, your offensive coordinator think of you. Because during a journey, of course you want to play it back. You know, some games, my best game in college, I want some plays back. So there's always some time where I can pour into, you know, looking at some things that I can get better at. Because, you know, one thing that's unique about us as athletes is that we have strengths, we have weaknesses. And so something that is also a social norm that we overlook, what's our strengths and what's going to make us all unique.

And so, of course, you know, I'm not a finished product. You know, some areas of growth I definitely need to make strides to so I can lead properly when it comes to the NFL. But one thing I'm not going to lose sight of with most of my strengths and acknowledging that each week that I had to play the game, the objective is to win. No matter what it looks like. No matter if I had the most production or I had the less production, the objective is to win. And

the mindset come from these two quarterbacks playing in the Super Bowl right now is win, baby, win. You know what? When I look at you, I've watched you play extremely talented, whether it's your legs, whether it's you putting the ball in the air, your ability to make all the throws. One of the things we always gauge quarterbacks off of is being on the left hash and being able to throw a 20-yard comeback on the opposite side of the

field. You can do that. You got a rope on you. And watching you play, you have the ability to change the organization. You have the ability to change a franchise, similar to what Jaden Daniels did coming in. Cissorwood, C.J. Stroud, and Jordan Love are obviously done. If you get to the point where we know what your strengths are, forget your strengths, take your weaknesses and make them stronger than what they are now and get everything balanced,

boy, you all will. I've seen it with my own eyes. I don't need to be a scout. I don't need to be a GM. You special. And I'm telling you that right here in your face. I don't need to be a scout. I don't need to be a GM. You special. And I'm telling you that right here in your face. I ain't never met you, but I ain't never seen you before. But I seen you play. But I got an eye for the game. And I know what you can do. Boy, you're going to be all right.

I'm telling you, you're going to be all right. I'm going to get you out of here with the last question for me. What is the biggest difference between Coach Saban and Coach DeBeer? So, one thing that's for certain is the standard of excellence that they both present for a program and distinguishing the two i think the biggest thing about both of them is just how they run a program it's a little different but it's always go back to how they push each and everybody to be the best version of so on and off the field um you know with coach saving was a lot of we

achieved so much you know I had him for three years but this past season with Coach DeBoer this was our first year having a high GPA that we had in school history as a football team

so we were able to achieve that right and there's so many areas of wins you know when you can think about being a person and so I was able

to do that with Coach DeBoer and Coach Saban so for me it's all about the knowledge base I learned so much from Coach Saban Coach DeBoer and Coach Saban. So, for me, it's all about the Niles base. I learned so much from Coach Saban,

Coach DeBoer. One coach being officer-minded, one being defensive-minded. So, the area of growth of learning

about each side of the ball. So, you know, it's hard to distinguish the two because they both are great at what they do.

Thank you for stopping by Auto Trader Jalen Melrose. Best of luck in the future, and thank you again. No, thank you guys.

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