Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Jayden Daniels ROY, Saquon breaks 2000, Rodgers’ awful performance

Episode Date: December 30, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to a battle between rookie QBs Michael Penix Jr. and rookie of the year candidate Jayden Daniels in the Atlanta Falcons vs. Washington Commanders matchup on Sunday Night Football. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Saquon Barkley and the Philadelphia Eagles destroying Cooper Rush and the Dallas Cowboys 41-7 as Saquon hits the 2000 yard mark and is only 101 yards away from Eric Dickerson’s single-season rushing record, Aaron Rodgers puts up one of the worst QB performances in NFL history as the New York Jets get blown out by Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills and much more!03:13 - Show Start03:30 - Intro05:30 - Falcons v Commanders14:46 - Vikings v Packers28:51 - Eagles v Cowboys51:00 - Bills v Jets(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Best Sports Comedy Podcast. Make sure you cast your vote for us. The link is in the chat, pinned on our social pages, and in all our social bios. Ocho, as I mentioned earlier, the Commanders defeat the Falcons. And overtime, they walk it off. 30-24, Jane Daniels, 24-36, 227, the game-winning touchdown to Zach Ertz,

one interception, and he passed RG3 for the most rushing yards in a season by a rookie and he broke the rookie record held by RG3 for that buried set tee. Jane Daniels has 16 rushes, a buck 27, 24, 36, 227, and three touchdowns as he was great when he really

needed to be and he was great in that last drive, in that first drive of OT. They got the ball, and they never gave it back to the Falcons. So they're headed to the playoffs. Ocho, what did you like about what you saw from the Commanders and Jaden Daniels, the quarterback? Listen, not only Jaden Daniels. I want to give Michael Penning Jr. some love, too. I want to give him some love, too, because there was a series towards the end of the game

in which he had to get it done. He had the team down there to give them an opportunity to tie that game to even get into overtime. So the fact that he was able to do that, now he did miss some throws. He did miss some throws on the drive, but they still were able to overcome those missed throws. He played a good game. I think he is the future. He is the future of that franchise over there in Atlanta. So, boom. Now, to that young bull from LSU. Matter of fact, let's talk about that young bull

who's the rookie of the year. Some people might say Brock Bowers. Brock Bowers, you know, he had a great season. But the rookie of the year in Jayden Daniels. Brock Bowers with that team? They won four games. And listen, Jayden Daniels was effing

phenomenal. Despite the pick, despite the pick, they were able to overcome that and do what they need to do. That last series

on, ice in his veins. Ice in his veins. Throwing the ball, threading the needle, using his legs when he needed to. No,

it was a good game. It was a good game from start to finish. And again, I just told you this last night. I don't know what it is about the end of games. No matter who's playing, for some reason, it always comes down to the team, whoever has the ball last. Yeah.

It happened with the Bengals. We just saw it last night. It happened again tonight. Well, actually, you guys had the ball first, and y'all missed the Bengals. We just saw it last night. It happened again tonight. Well, actually, you guys had the ball first and y'all missed the field goal. Remember, you dunked the field goal? Yeah, you're right.

You're right. Don't remind me. Don't remind me. You dunked the field goal. I don't even know if these games should have went to overtime because Jayden Daniels

threw the ball right through and Zaccheaus let the ball go right off his shoulder pad. The ball hit him in his face. Yeah. So, Ocho, I don't even know if we should have even went to overtime. Right. Right. And second of all, I'm trying to figure out

when they got the ball and Atlanta at the end of the game, why wouldn't they? They had two timeouts. Why would they let that kind of time run off the clock and not burn one of them? I have a question. I have a question. As a head coach, Raheem Mars, right? As a head coach, do you have a spotter or do you have somebody in the air that can help

you with clock management? Is there anybody or is everything? I'm sure that they're definitely, they're normally somebody up there that's helping you with the call as far as like throw the red flag. You should challenge that. That was a catch. That wasn't a catch. That was a fumble.

That was this. That was that. But I'm sure, Ocho, a catch. That was a fumble. That was this. That was that. But I'm sure, Ocho, you're looking. Okay, he's looking at the clock. Okay, they caught the ball. He didn't get out of bounds. Use a timeout. You have to.

Why would you let that count of time? Because now you speed your quarterback up, and you don't need to. Exactly. Exactly. I said the same thing about Minnesota earlier. They had three timeouts. It wouldn't burn any of them. They don't carry over.

It's not like if you get to the end of the year and you have a surplus of timeouts, you get to use them all in that game. It doesn't work like that. You get a new set to start to have. I was confused by what Minnesota did. I was equally confused by what the Atlanta Falcons did. Because I'm like, bro, you have two timeouts. Take one of them. It just didn't make any sense

for me. I agree with you, Ocho. I thought Pennix played well given the circumstances. I was surprised they didn't run B. John Robinson a little bit more in the second half because he had it going in the first half. I mean, he ended up with 17 carries for 90 yards and two touchdowns. But if I'm not mistaken, I think he had those two touchdowns.

He might have had those in the first half. But I was surprised that they didn't run him a little more. Penix missed some throws early in the game. I think he was probably a little juiced. Ocho, I'm excited. I'm starting. I'm on the road. There's a lot at stake here.

But give him credit. He's going to be a good player for the Falcons. I like the skill position player, Drake London. He normally shows up. Mooney. Kyle Pitts, he had five targets, four catches, 44 yards on the touchdown. A great touchdown to get the game to overtime. Go ahead.

Can I say something, please? Yeah. For those of you in the chat if you watch carl pitts play when he was at florida understanding how special of a talent he is how much of a mismatch or advantage that the falcons have having a player like that that can not only line up at tight end i call him a hybrid i don't see him as much as a blocker i call him a hybrid you can play tight and he can play receiver he can line up. He can line up in the slot at the number two. Or he can take his ass out wide and create a mismatch for you. I don't understand why the Falcons don't use Kyle Pitts to his strengths

and what he can do from an offensive standpoint. For the life of me, I don't understand how he has the rookie year that he has and he comes back despite his injury, despite the injury that he had. He he was able to come back he's still not being utilized the right way and i just i just had to get that out there because the way they're using him and knowing what he can do and what i've seen from him before and knowing the talent that he has and how he can help that offense and make the quarterback job a little easier he could make the job a little easier but they just don't use them i don't understand what is going on over there. But other

than that, go ahead. You can take it from me. I just had to add that tidbit, man. I don't understand. The tight end, Zach Hurst, stepped up big today. He had seven targets, six catches, 72 yards, two touchdowns. Zaccheaus had a touchdown, eight catches, 85 yards on nine targets. McLaurin, they

couldn't get him going. They gave him seven targets. He only had one catch for five yards. Everything, you know, they did a great job. Obviously, they put A.J. Terrell on him. Yeah. You see what they did? Okay, we're going to say, hey, we'll run him. And that's what you have to do sometimes.

This is okay. Hey, take him. I would have been opposed to him putting Terrell on his second best receiver and then running coverage towards… McLaurin. McLaurin. Yeah. Now, the problem that you have is that you got a tight end that's feasting.

Oh, yeah. So now you got to pay some attention to him. You know, you got Jesse Bates III, and that's what you got him there for. He's supposed to be the guy that somewhat neutralized the tight end. Right. But Ertz had some big catches today, big touchdown catches. You know, we know he went to the Pro Bowl a couple years in Philly. Yeah.

But then they got Dallas Goddard and Cal Catera, and they were just like, okay, we're just going to move on because it doesn't make sense for us to have. And then he went to Arizona, and then they get Trey McBride, and it's like, okay, it's time for you to move on because it doesn't make sense for us to have. And then he went to Arizona and then they get Trey McBride and it's like, okay, it's time for you to move on here. So, but I thought he played really,

really well today, but Washington looked really good. They're 11 and five with a chance to get to 12 and five playing the Cowboys at home. Oh, excuse me, playing the Cowboys and Jerry were on the road. It'll be interesting to see because the Cowboys,

we're talking about that a little later. They quit today. Philly made them give it up. Phboys, we're talking about their little labor, they quit today. Philly made them give it up. Philly made them give it up. There ain't no way around it. What do you see? We talked about this last week. You see the difference between when you don't have expectations

and when you win a couple of games and now people expect you to go out and compete because Jerry was very, very happy that Mike McCarthy got these guys ready to compete and to play hard. And the moment Philly started leaning on him, they laid it down. They laid it down. Because, I mean, they got a couple little achievements late in the game,

but Philly opened up a can on them. And Saquon did what Saquon was supposed to do. But I'm excited for the Washington football team. They got that stint, which is Daniel Snyder out of there. They've done a great job of drafting. They got the quarterback. They had

nice pieces in place, but they got a quarterback. They brought an offensive coordinator in that's good at handling young quarterbacks and having an offense that's very quarterback friendly that utilizes what that quarterback does. Remember Kyler Murray?

Kyler Murray did a lot of what we see Jayden Daniels did during this season. And Kyler Murray was rookie of the year. So I don't think anybody's surprised by that. I think, what do you call him? I don't think Kyler did make the playoffs his rookie season. I think they made it his second season. But Jayden Daniels, 16 carries, a buck 22.

Excuse me, a buck 27, 24-36, 227, three touchdowns, one interception, and the game-winning touchdown in overtime to Zach Ertz as they walk it off and they win 30-24 and they make the playoffs for the first time since 2020. Oh, Joe, the Vikings defeated the Packers 27, 25. Sam Donald had a career day, 377 yards. Viking give themselves a chance to secure the number one seed.

All they have to do is beat the Detroit lions next week. They won their past nine games in a row. They're only lost this season, two point at home to the Lions and a 10-point loss on the road at Los Angeles. Was that game? They lost to the Rams. I don't know if it was at Los Angeles.

But Sam Darnold was sensational today again. 33 of 43, 377, three touchdowns, one interception. He was sat one time. They didn't run the ball really well, so they basically had to put the ball in his hands and say bro you got to deliver us and he absolutely did that justin jefferson was eight of not eight for 92 nailer uh was five for 81 on the touchdown addison was six and 69 on the touchdown uh cam acres caught a touchdown but the Minnesota Vikings I mean think about it you got Minnesota at 14-2 what's it called

13-2 13-2 Detroit they played tomorrow night Ocho they got the 49ers on the road tomorrow night so you might for all the marbles you might have a all the marbles,

you might have a 14-2 Minnesota taking on a 14-2 Detroit Lions. With all the marbles on the table. Everything on the table. That's going to be a really good game.

That's going to be a really good game. And outside of that game, we'll see that we get next week. This Vikings, this Vikings-Pack packing game was really good. Oh, yeah. The NFL, Ocho, not to cut you off, the NFL released a schedule.

Cincinnati and the Steelers are Saturday night. Right. Detroit and Minnesota is Sunday night. Right. So primetime action with a lot riding on it, that's what you want to have happen. The NFL did one of the best things they've done with the scheduling. So look, Buffalo might probably not go play anybody.

Ocho, they've secured the number two seed. Kansas City has made it abundantly clear they're not playing anybody. They're the number one seed. So they're going to make sure their guys are healthy. Right. So guess what? You don't play this week. We got a bye week.

So you got to give a guy like a Chris Jones. You get guys that have some bumps and bruises. Now you give Patrick Mahomes two weeks to get that ankle as healthy as it's going to be. You get Hollywood Brown an opportunity to get some more running and get that shoulder. Yeah. So, but this was really good. Minnesota looked good. Minnesota looked good. There could be a scenario. What? bay green bay play chicago right last game of the season

because everybody played division games last game of the season yes at home so the green think about green bay could be 12 and 5 minnesota could be 14 and 3 or 15 and 2 yeah detroit could be 12 and five. Minnesota could be 14 and three or 15 and two. Yeah. Detroit could be 14 and three, 15 and two. And they're all in the same division. Oh yeah. And then that's crazy how the NFC, how the NFC dominated the way it did and look the way it did this,

this goddamn season. They've been playing some goddamn good football. That goddamn Sam Donald boy. He playing. Sam Donald was cooking today. You hear me on? Yeah. You not listen to me. Sam Donald was cooking today. You hear me, huh? Yeah. Now, you're not listening to me.

Sam Donald was cooking today. Remember when Oprah was giving out cars on that show? At one show? You get a car, you get a car. Man, Sam Donald told the receivers, Addison, Naylor, and goddamn Jefferson. JJ.

You get a ball, you get a ball, you get a ball. Hawkinson. Hawkinson. Let me get some of that tuna. Listen, they weren't able to, listen, the goddamn Packers did a good job stopping the run. You get a ball. Hawkinson. Let me get some of that tuna. Listen, they weren't able to. Listen, the goddamn Packers did a good job stopping the run. They did a good job stopping the run.

And goddamn, I'm about to forget. Forget his name. Damn, Sam Donald had to put the team on his back. And he did just that. He did just that. So, listen, I'm excited for him. I don't know what it's going to be like when they play the goddamn Lions. You know, because the Lions are depleted

when it comes to, from a defensive side of the ball. Hell, they might put up motherfucking 50 points apiece. They might put up 50 points apiece. I mean, though, just like I'm so excited right now. I'm talking so goddamn fast. I can't even get

out what I really want to goddamn say. You heard what Jair Alexander said after the game? No, what'd he say? Jair Alexander told reporters post-game that if he played against the Packers, I mean, if he played the Packers, they would have beaten the Vikings

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all five against the top three teams in the nfc the eagles the lions and the vikings okay i'll look at those records yeah yeah yeah i mean the eagles have lost only three games. So they're 13 and three. Right. The Lions have lost only two games. Minnesota's lost only two games. So it ain't no shame in losing them. Right. Right.

I understand. Jair Alexander told the post after the game, had he played against Green Bay, would have beaten the Vikings. Yeah, Minnesota's extremely lucky. I was injured, man. If I'm playing, we beat them by two scores. And I'm hitting the gritty twice at minimum. Lucky.

That's all. Listen, I like his confidence. I really like his confidence. Listen, Jair is one of the better corners in the league who hasn't really been able to be out there due to injury. I think there's something wrong with his knee. Anytime him and Justin Jefferson do match up, it's always a show. Sometimes he loses. Sometimes he wins.

But the fact that he goes out there and competes against one of the better receivers in the nfl is a really really good thing and it's always entertaining and it's always fun never malicious it's never malicious it's not like it's not like when you get a uh latimore and mike evans yeah fellas out there that respect each other and they're gonna go to work're going to go to work. And I like what he's saying, but I don't think, even if you did play. I mean, I don't think they beat him by two scores. I mean, you only lost by two points, but you're going to guard one guy. I mean, so if you take Jetta, who's going to deal with Addison?

Right, right. And obviously the people that had to deal with Addison had to deal with Naylor. I mean, they couldn't stop him either. So either way it go, you can only do so much as one player. Yes.

But I love his confidence. He's always been that way and he's always been very brash and had that bravado and moxie. I like that word moxie. I use it every chance I get.

Oh, Justin Jefferson. Go ahead. I just saw what you sent me. My bad. I'm too excited. That's what happens when I get excited. My bad, baby. Yeah. My bad. oh Justin Jefferson go ahead I just saw what you sent me my bad I'm too excited that's what happens when I get excited

my bad baby yeah my bad Justin Jefferson put his jewels with the other family jewels Justin Jefferson shoved his million dollar chain

into his crotch after the chain fell off in the middle of a play I like that hey hey hey hey

I know I like having a hey hey Ocho man look here I know I like having a little jury but I don't know I draw the line I mean I don't know

about no million dollars nah listen did he say it was a million dollars or did we just put a price point on what it is Twitter put a I mean

I mean looking at the jury that he weighs where's he probably got somewhere between 150 and a quarter of a million dollars

yeah yeah yeah but I mean a million he's a big much. And plus what he got in his mouth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, Jeddah's got style. Jeddah's got style.

That's the way he played. He always got diamonds in his mouth. Chase with the diamond grill as well. Yeah. Must be an LSU. Lamar got one, too. Oh, yeah. Lamar got one, too. But Florida, see, Florida started the grill. Florida used to. Must be an LSU. Lamar got one too. Oh yeah. Lamar, Lamar,

Lamar got one too. But Florida, Florida, see Florida started the grill. Florida used to have all the gold grill. Florida was all gold. Yeah. Yeah.

Where you at? Where you at? Where you at? Where you at? Yeah. I remember them days, man. Remember I had a mouthful too,

huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but it was, it was a, it was a very good game.

The guys, like you said, the guys are stylish out there. I mean, it's hard to find somebody playing at a skill position that don't have on jewelry. Yeah. I mean, some guys have on bracelets. Some guys have on chains. Obviously, you mentioned Ocho.

You mentioned the grills. Yeah. But that's where we're headed now. I remember when I first saw a lot of the guys that are married having the rubber the uh the wedding bands on yeah i guess y'all would everybody know y'all married uh but uh it was a good game it was a good game i mean this is what you expect two division rivals ocho they're very close i mean 11 i, one was 11-4 heading into the game. The other was 13-2 heading into the game.

So you expected a close. I mean, look, it got close. But, I mean, the score says 27-25. But Minnesota got the ball. It wasn't, you know. I thought Minnesota, once they got control, once he got cooking, that second quarter and into the third just goes to show you. Yeah.

Carolina had Sam Darnold and they had Baker Mayfield. I don't know if y'all know, but Baker Mayfield got like four or five games where he threw four touchdowns this year. Now, he threw five today with over 300 yards. Sam Darnold threw three today. He's thrown 35 touchdowns, which is the third most for a Viking. So clearly, these guys can play given the right sort of circumstances. Now, look, they were devoid of talent.

They didn't have this level of talent in Carolina. So you have to take, look, I'm not saying that it's all Carolina fault, but Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, you look at what they got in Tampa now, even though Chris Godwin is going down, they still have quality receivers, and they have a nice running game. You look at what they, obviously

look at what Sam Darnold's throwing to. He got Aaron Jones in his backfield. He got Hawkinson, who's been a Pro Bowl player. He's got Jetta. He he got Hawkinson who's been a who's been a pro bowl player he's got Jetta he's got Addison he's got Naylor I mean look he's got guys that he can throw the ball to right but it just goes to show you I don't care without talent around you now you got some guys now guys like a Mahomes or guys like a some guys can elevate like Brady they used to elevate could elevate. Right.

You know, not, if you're in the league, you're good, but everybody is not going to be a jitter. Everybody's not going to be Randy Moss, T.O., and so forth and so on. But what a great quarterback like Mahomes, he can elevate those guys' play. Right. When you're not that level of player,

you need guys to elevate your play. Yes, sir. And that's what the great skill position players around you are able to do baker mayfield has been better since he got to tampa that even when he was in cleveland because he got more talent around sam donald was never going to be this good and the jets and at carolina because he didn't have this level of talent around it. And so if you go out and sign a Sam Darnall, look at what you have. Do you have the roster that's equipped

to help continue to elevate? Because if you don't, he's not Mahomes. He's not Burrow. He's not Lamar. He's not Josh Allen. That's not what he is. And I'm not finna sit here and tell you because he's having an outstanding year.

I give credit where credit's due. But I don't look at him as a guy that's a multiplier. No matter who you put out there, Ocho, he's going to make them times two. That's Lamar. That's reserved for the top four or five quarterbacks in the league. That's not for him. You know what I call those? I call those tier one quarterbacks.

Okay. Tier one quarterbacks are your elites that regardless of what you put around them, they're always going to get the job done. They're always going to get the job done. Then you have your tier two quarterbacks. Your tier two quarterbacks, sometimes they need a little help. Now, they're good, but they're not great. Now, you put some good receivers

around them, you know, like the Buccaneers. You got some Mike Evans. You know? Yes. But they can have a game where they can have a game or two where they are great. Yes. But more times than not, you need to have that hedge around them to support them. And you get what you get. Yeah.

Yep. What do we got here? Oh, the Eagles against the NFC East. Oh, my goodness. Hold on. We've gone like 21 straight years without having a back-to-back

NFC East champ. So the last time we had a back-to-back NFC East champ was 2003-2004 was the Eagles, correct? But let me go ahead and read Keneary. Saquon Barkley

hit the magic number. 2K. Yeah. He's at 2K5. One game to go against the Giants. The team that didn't want me. The team that says I couldn't help them win no game. I'm trying to work for 205. I'm trying to get 2205.

Leave no doubt. Now, hey, y'all put me back in the MVP conversation. Me personally, I think it's a two-horse race between Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. It'll be interesting. So what's the odds now as far as Lamar and Josh Allen? Is Josh still favored? You know what? And I got a question for you

when you get that answer. It grew. Because remember, it was just minus 160 last week. We'll see. Ocho. I had a question for you before you even started. Go ahead.

How many yards, I know he's at 2,000. How many yards does he need to break air? He needs 101 yards. So here we go. Now we talk about the MVP race. Obviously, it's a two-man race, a two-horse race, actually. Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. What happened,

despite what Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson have done this season, if Saquon goes out there and gets 102 yards, and he breaks everything that's in the record, what happens with the MVP race then? I still think it's between Josh and Lamar. No matter what? I do believe,

I do believe that Saquon is going to be offensive player of the year okay i mean he's often the player of the year right now especially that's what i believe i believe ocho personally i believe that's the war that he'll get right but when you look at you look at um lamar lamar has 40, 43 total touchdowns. Right. And eight turnovers. Josh Allen has like 41 total touchdowns and nine turnovers.

So you see their neck and neck. And then obviously you got Joe Burrow. It would have been very interesting had Joe Burrow had five or fewer losses. Now we got to have a real hardness now we gotta have a real healthy conversation because we know what joe b of joe b has a chance to go for 5 000 yeah 5 000 and it's gonna be a very similar situation to drew breeze when he had all those 5 000 yard seasons and he only came away i mean a lot of times he didn't get nothing right so it's gonna be very very interesting to see saquon surpassed 2 000 rushing yards uh he's 101 yards away from breaking eric

dickinson record that was set in 1984 2105 there are the there will be temptations uh to let saquon go for the record i'm going for it i'm sorry yeah yeah and listen you know what i don't like huh especially when it comes to things like this i hate internally especially when it comes to records uh that are being broken when it comes to players they have incentives in the contract i've always heard about teams doing funny things doing funny things i've heard the stories i'm sure you've heard the stories as well yeah don't allow players to get certain incentives they take them out of the game or they don't give them the amount of carries or the amount of catches that they need to hit.

I hope they don't play any type of game for sake of one. I know they're winning, and they might lose the fact that they are winning, but we might pull you off the game to make sure you don't reach that incentive of breaking that record because we don't want you to get hurt. We want to save you for the playoffs.

I don't know if he got that, Ocho. Weird, funny stuff, huh? You think he got... I don't damn I know damn well I'm not putting that record... I'm not putting no record. Okay, if I break... If I break Megatron...

If I'm a wide receiver, I break Megatron record, I get a million dollars. But I ain't putting that in there. No, I'm just saying. If it ain't... I'm not saying... I was just using the incentive

as an example of what some teams do sometimes with players. I'm not saying... What do you mean? Do I know somebody? Yeah, it happened to me. Right. It happened to you? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Players. I'm not saying... What do you mean? Do I know somebody? Yeah, it happened to me. Right.

It happened to you? Yeah. Oh, so you... I had $100,000 in my contract. Right. I had 115 yards and two touchdowns at the half. I needed five yards

to get 1,000 and then catch another ball, then get another target. You see how they do? Yeah. That's why we're just saying I hope they don't play that game of Saquon

and trying to pull him out and not give him... not give him the rushes and the carries that he needs to break that record. I'm getting that. Hold on. And I just saw Jonathan Taylor go have like 18 carries for 125. Oh, I'm going to get that. I'm going to say, look, now, it's on y'all.

Y'all can give me 25 carries and let me get this number at the half and I set that down, but I'm not coming out until I get this record. You're too close. Everybody's like, oh, Saquon. He ain't being selfish. He sacrificed. Yeah. He blocked.

He does everything that you ask him to be. He's been a model teammate. I don't know Saquon personally, but looking at his personality and the way he interacts, his teammates love him. They got him holding up in the locker room in the offensive line. They doing things for him he never got when he was at the Giants. The Giants organization appreciates

him more than he ever got appreciated in New York. Now, I'm not saying the fans, fans, this is not a knock on y'all. I'm saying the organization. I'm saying the Mara. I'm saying the Tish's. I'm saying Sean or the General Man, whoever. saying the Tish's, I'm saying Sean or the general manager, whoever. They never show Saquon what the Eagles organization has shown him.

I'm not talking about the players because I'm sure the players loved him. I'm just talking about from the ownership, front office. I'm going to stop it there. You see the way they embrace him from Lurie to Hyde Roseman, the offensive line, and he includes them in everything. I'm getting that damn record. That's that. They got to let him get it.

I just know the game that they do play. You've experienced it before. I've heard the horror stories about it, and he's so close to it. I just hope they run the offense through him. I don't know the extent of the injury. I'm not sure what Kenny Pickett is going through. But they've got to lean on him. They've got to lean on Saquon next week, man.

So I'm hoping he breaks that record. That'll be very exciting for him. Do we know if he got in? It'll come out. We'll know if he has any incentive, if they were to win the division, if they win the NFC championship. I mean, he was the MVP. I'm sure he probably have a five hundred thousand dollar bonus or a million dollar bonus. He's offensive player of the year.

He's MVP. He's Super Bowl MVP. They make the Super Bowl. They win the NFC. They win the NFC. I'm sure he has some incentives in there, but I'm getting that damn record. Damn, y'all. Excuse me. I'm sure he has some incentives in there, but I'm getting that damn record. Damn, y'all. Excuse me.

I'm too close, Ocho. Yeah. I mean, the likelihood of you ever, I mean, there's... How much was it? He got 500K for reaching 2,000. 250 to win the NFC championship 250 to win the Super Bowl what about MVP, Super Bowl MVP or MVP

oh yeah see he about to get some oh yeah he gonna be a unanimous pick for first-team all-pro. That's $500,000. He got $2K. That's another $500,000. He make the Pro Bowl.

That's $250,000. If he make the NFC Championship game, that's another $250,000. So, we got an opportunity to get $2 million worth of incentives. Yeah, yeah. That's a good thing. That's a very good thing. Man, we just turned the air on, man. Hold on.

My son just turned the air on, man. It's cold as hell. Hold on. Kenny Pickett was 10 of 15, 143 yards, one touchdown. McKee came in. Tanner McKee came in. He was 3 of 4, 54 yards, two touchdowns. As we mentioned, Saquon, they ran the ball 42 times for $1.79.

You knew they were going to lean heavily on Saquon. You don't want to put your quarterback in harm's way. Cowboys can get up your quarterback a little bit, although they did a great job of keeping him clean today. Saquon, 31 carries, a buck 67. 42 rush attempts for the team. 179 yards. One touchdown. That was a run by Kenny Pickett.

Devontae Smith, six for a buck 20. That's the way you bounce back, Devontae. That's the way you bounce back after what transpired. You can't get that back. But you can like, hey, y'all going to put put me back in that situation and i promise y'all won't let y'all down aj three for 36 and a touchdown aj got excited threw the ball up in the stands what he didn't know that was tanner mckee's first touchdown yeah so he said hey let me get that back yeah i'll give you the jersey on my back if you let me get that ball back. Yeah, that was dope.

That was dope. That was a dope experience. It was a dope exchange. It is. I'm glad the guy in the stands was willing to give the ball back. Yeah. And that it was a quarterback. I'd rather have a damn jersey.

You talking about, that's the jersey. Ain't no questioning. This jersey right off the man's back. Hell, y'all saw him on national television. Right in the stadium. They had to pop him. Makes you sad, too. Yeah, he did. So, absolutely. Absolutely.

That was an unbelievable moment there. And the Cowboys, you know what? Because this serves the Cowboys right. because for the longest time oh cooper rush is better than that jerry could have saved that money that he paid that gave my gave 15 20 million to cooper rush look at bro compared to cooper rush dak is patrick mahomes compared to cooper rush now y'all need to stop this, Cowboy fans. Right.

Cooper Rush was a free agent. Nobody, he went back to the Cowboys, which I said was going to happen. He's a guy. He's a jag. Just another guy. And that's not, I don't say that in a disrespectful, but that's okay.

Because you got 1,500 guys in the NFL. Everybody is not great. There's room for everybody. But we've got to stop because we see guys have a few good games and talk about there's a second coming. No, he's not. He never was. He never will be. They crown him too early, y'all?

They crown him too early? Yes. But I want to know. I mean, I think they might give a uh mike mccarth the contract extension because he had him playing hard remember last week oh yeah remember last week jerry came out all right he kept this team together they keep battling 41 to 7 yeah yeah you see what happens with expectations that's the killer of dreams expectations see when you have none you go under the radar you see that's why i tell guys when you see guys make all pro make pro bowls

every single year those the guys you keep an eye on it's easy to make the pro bowl once yeah it's easy to make it all protein one but now they got film now they know what you can do now they game plan to stop your ass that's now can you go make it again can you make it again can you make it again and that that's the difficult part because what makes players great what makes players elite what makes players high paid value players for their teams is when they know you good. When the game plan for you and you do your job week in and week out at a consistent level year in and year out. And I don't,

you know, no, no. So funny. When it comes to great players like the Mahomes and the Tom Brady's and Manning's and you're the Ray Lewis. Yes. Yes.

Yes. I don't think people understand how difficult it is to remain at the highest level we possibly can. When the game plan to stop, stop you. It's what they do every week, every week. I mean,

there's never been a game plan that wasn't built to stop Jerry Rice. There's never been a game plan that was, that wasn't designed. That wasn't designed to stop Jerry Rice. There's never been a game plan that wasn't designed to block Lawrence Taylor or to block Ray Lewis or to stop this guy or stop that guy. And for 20 years, remember, Jerry had 1,000 yards at 40. There ain't no receivers playing past 35. He's 40. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Brady. After 2002, for the most part, every game plan, we got to stop 12. How do we stop 12? How do we stop 12? How do we stop 18? How do we stop 18? How do we get the guards up on rate?

How do we make sure we have accounted for? How do we block? TJ W we get the guards up on rate how do we make sure we have accounted for how do we block hot tj watt miles garrett yeah and every single year they kick your ass yeah and the funny thing about it when it comes to 12 and 18 12 and 18 is so special and we're not talking about skill set and just being gifted it's about they mean you here huh they are thank you yeah so whatever whatever you're doing defensively they already had it they they already envisioned it in their head no matter what kind well no matter what you do no matter what defense no matter what the sky that you run whatever no bluffing all that doesn't even matter because they already know because they done played it a million times in a head before they even run the play i know what i'm gonna see i know what i'm

getting based off you got to go to this ocho you know you got to go to this because guess what hey you know what man ocho got in trouble i know who you're gonna call let me tap that person line that's right on cue they go ocho yeah didn't i tell you they already know what you're gonna do when they come out in this formation. They know your check to it. So they got to check the count of yours. You beat them, you did a hell of a job. Normally you had to knock them on the ass because you're not going to out thank them. You got to put your helmet up under their chin.

Oh, yeah. Well, congratulations, Eagles. They get it done without Jalen Hurts. Hopefully we'll see. They're still fighting. There's an outside chance they can get the number two seed. But in all likelihood, it's probably going to be interesting to see because they've already lost three games. So if Minnesota loses, we're under the assumption that Detroit wins.

Right. Tomorrow night against the 49ers. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Come on. Come on now. We're under the assumption that the Detroit wins. Are they starters? Oh, no. They're playing the starters. Huh? They're playing the starters.

Okay. They're going to win. They're going to win. I mean, that's no disrespect to the 49ers and their defense. That's no disrespect to them, but Ben Johnson and that creativity and just too much. I'm on Ross St. Brown and Jamison Williams and obviously Montgomery's out,

but Jameer, man, listen, they're going to win. They're going to put up points. They're going to score a lot. That's what they do. That's what they've done the entirety of this season. The 49ers are probably

going to put up a good fight, but at some point, you already know what Dan Campbell is going to do. You already know what Dan Campbell, Dan Soup, I'm going to call him Dan Soup Campbell. You already know what he's going to do. I'm going to run a school board up and I mean no disrespect to you, but this is about my team. This is about changing the culture over here in Detroit.

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Now, their biggest rival is Washington. Right. Philly is normally Philly and the Giants because they're right there next to each other. Philly, New York, Philly, New York. They're normally right there, Ocho. But Philly hates it. Philly hates the Cowboys. I'm old enough to remember. I know you don't remember this.

When Buddy put a bounty. Buddy Ryan. I was there. Yeah. Buddy Ryan put a bounty. He put. I was there. Yeah. Buddy Ryan put a bounty out. He put a bounty on the kicker. It's a lie. It's a lie. That's what, as a matter of fact, I think they sacked Troy. Go back and look at that Eagles game.

I think they sacked Troy like 10, 11 times. 10? How many times did they sack Troy? What the hell was the whole line doing? They sacked him 11 times? 10? How many times did they sack Troy? What the hell was the whole line doing? They sacked him 11 times. Jesus. But look here. They had a nasty defense.

Boy, they had a defense. They had Reggie. They had Jay Boogie. They had Clyde Simmons. Yeah. They had Seth Joyner. They had Byron Evans. They had Muddy Waters. They had EA, Eric Allen. Yeah. Wait had Seth Joyner. They had Byron Evans. They had Muddy Waters. They had

EA, Eric Allen. Yeah. Wait, DB Eric Allen? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, boy. Yeah. They had a squad. Yeah. Hell, I think they held us with 92. I think they might have held us

to like 50 yards of total offense. What? Yeah. Total? Total. Go back and look at how many in 92 we played them in. Yeah, I know who they had. I know who they had, yeah.

Oh, you just said 50 yards of total offense in the NFL. Go back and look at 92, the Eagles. We played the Eagles in Philly. See how many yards they held us to. Man, they beat us 37-0. Jesus. And this must have been right

before Bobby... As a matter of fact, hold on. This was the year J. Boogie arrested so Jerome Brown had died in the offseason in that car accident. Hey, this was the Eagles team before Bobby Taylor and Troy. Oh, my bad, Ocho. We had 82 total yards.

My bad. You heard me? We was 0 for 11 on third downs. Oh, man. Hey, I ain't tell you what somebody told me I was there hold on was this before Bobby Taylor and Troy Benson got there huh oh yeah yeah way before

hell yeah hell yeah damn I ain't know that you gotta realize Troy got drafted by Miami. He did? Yeah. I shovel passes.

I caught two shovels. Yeah. Troy got drafted by Miami. I didn't know that. Yeah. Damn. That. Damn. That's crazy. But hey,

Ocho, what will the Cowboys do? Will they keep McCarthy or will they move on? I think they're going to move on. I think they're going to move on. You know, Jerry wants to make a splash. He wants to make a name. He wants to keep the Cowboys the star. He wants to keep it circulating in the media.

That's something he'll always do. He's going to come out and say something soon. I'm not sure when it will happen, but he's going to be in front of a camera. I love the way the players stuck up for Mike McCarthy. Michael Parsons and some other players came out and said some things necessary to vouch for him and wanting to be the coach of next year. But at the end of the day, it comes down to Jerry's decision.

And we know how Jerry feels. We probably know how some of the fans actually feel. Not just about Jerry, but Mike McCarthy and them also wanting to make a change and give that team hope and the fans in the city of Dallas hope that maybe, you know, next year might be their year. And listen, I'm pulling for him. I'm pulling for him. And I just don't like the fact that the person who creates the most noise, the most unwanted attention is the one who sits all the way at the top. And he don't catch no balls.

He don't take no hits. He don't do nothing. But yeah. I think it's unfair at the top. And he don't catch no balls. He don't take no hits. He don't do nothing. But yeah. I think it's unfair to the players. It's unfair to the coaching staff that added extra pressure that he puts on the team itself instead of just allowing them to do it,

allowing them to do what they need to do and preparing for a game and going out there and playing without the owner front and center as if we know you run the show. It just, it just too much, too much of a surface.

Yeah. Too much of a surface. And I mean that in a respectful way. Hey, Oh, Joe, check this out. The bills defeated jets 40 to 14.

At one point, the score was 40 to8. Aaron Rodgers had a 1.2 QBR today versus the Bills. It was one of the 20 worst games by a quarterback in NFL history. It was the worst game since Davis Mills in 2021.

The Bills forced three turnovers, notched the safety, sacked Aaron Rodgers four times. Rodgers had a forgettable game with season lows and passing yards, 112, quarterback rating 44. Aaron Rodgers benched himself in the fourth quarter, essentially, saying, you know what, Ocho, this is what he said. I mean, it was 33 to nothing.

We're sitting there, and I said, at some point, you probably go to Tyrod. Huh? Probably should have went to Tyrod about five games ago. Huh? Hey. You know what? Hey, Bills, I need y'all to give me y'all vaccination status.

Because that probably why y'all won. Hey. So, I can ask you a question now? Hey, Chad. Yeah, sure. I would love for you to ask me a question. Hey, so I can ask you a question now? Hey, Chad. Yeah, sure. I would love for you to ask me a question. Hey, Chad, listen to me.

Is this any different than Anthony Richardson saying he was proud in coming out the game and Aaron Rodgers saying, you know what, I'm going to bench myself, I guess what, maybe based on my play, when there's nothing wrong with it. I'm just curious. I'm curious, Chad, I'm curious on your thoughts. I just want to, I don't get it. I've never heard of a player actually benching himself unless he's saying he benched himself. Yeah.

And then they, unless they actually did it. No, that's not what he said. He said he basically went to the coach and said, we're sitting there, and I said at some point, probably go to Tyrod here. Huh? What?

You can't say that. You can't give up on your team in the middle of a game, no matter how bad you land. You still got to keep fighting to the end. You have to. So I'm just trying to figure out. I mean... I'm curious.

In fact, look, I mean, he done begged enough for a job. Oh, if they draft a quarterback, I would mentor him. You know, that's not a conversation for me. I mean, he's begging to stay there. He know he's played bad. Yeah. And y'all getting people have given him every excuse. And when you say that he's played bad, you're talking about his vaccination status.

That ain't got nothing to do with him playing bad at all. And I ain't got nothing to do. And that was four years ago. Ain't even nobody talking about COVID. He keeps bringing that up to try to what he's trying to do. He's playing. He's playing the shell game with Jojo. Right, right, right, right. I'm playing bad. Let's talk about COVID. Mm-hmm. Yo, so what do you think?

You're still playing bad. I see the right hand is what you're playing bad with. So you're trying to say he's trying to distract us. He's trying to distract. That's why he keeps bringing it up. Don't nobody bring up that he misled people and see, you know, immunization and he, you know, if he vaccinated, he immunized, nobody brings that up.

We're talking about your play in 2024 has been abysmal. So there's no, there's no way around it. He's played bad. He's still a four time league MVP. He's still a Superbowl champ. He still has thrown 499 touchdowns. He's done a four-time league MVP. He's still a Super Bowl champ. He still has thrown 499 touchdowns. He's done all of that. And I say that, but he's played bad in 2024. There's no way around it, Chet. There's no way around it, Jet fans.

Even the most diehard, staunchest supporters of Aaron Rodgers can honestly can't look themselves in the mirror and say he played good because he hasn't. So with that being said, being that 24 2024 season was abysmal it's been bad it's been really bad does he get an opportunity to redeem himself next year that's the question I don't believe he redeemed himself in New York that's just that's just me right uh I think I mean Woody Johnson if the reports are to be believed, that Woody Johnson tried to bench him earlier in the season.

I don't know why you would bench him and then have him back. Now, that's just my thought. Now, look, owners have done things that made me scratch my head before. Yeah, they have. But all I know is this.

They fired the coach. They demoted the offensive coordinator and he's still playing bad. So we realize Salah wasn't the issue? No. Like I said, you know, players get coached and fired. But, Ocho, the thing is, this is what you have to understand. When you bring a guy like that in, you basically turn the organization over to him.

Yeah, you give the keys to him. You have to. Tampa did that for Brady. Broncos did that for Manning. The problem that you have to be careful with is that people sometimes they have power. They'll abuse that privilege. Oh.

It'll tell you a lot. Give a person, if you want to know what a person, people say, well, give him money. Give a person. If you want to know what a person people say, well, give him money. Give a person power. Yeah. And that'll tell you exactly what person is. That's it.

And Aaron Rodgers has 499 career touchdowns. Suddenly 500 on luck. A certain thing is going to be interesting to see. Does he play? Does he start to see. Does he play? Does he start next week? Does he play next week? It's being reported that Garrett Wilson will

reportedly request a trade if Rodgers comes back as quarterback. Now, Ocho, I remember having a conversation with you this offseason when they were in training camp and he kept talking to Rodgers. I said, Ocho, that's not a good sign. You said, oh, it's you this offseason. Yes, sir. When they were in training camp. Yeah. And he kept talking to Rodgers. I said, Ocho, that's not a good sign. You said, oh, it's just a preseason.

I said, Ocho, I'm telling you. Mm-hmm. He keep talking. Right. You know. And I don't blame him. Mm-hmm. Y'all keep telling me.

All I know is that when I had a lesser quarterback, I was Offensive Rookie of the Year. Yeah. He was putting up in the numbers. Now, I'm not saying he's not being utilized the right way, a lesser quarterback. I was Offensive Rookie of the Year. Yeah. He was putting up the numbers. Now, I'm not saying he's not being utilized the right way, but I know what he can do.

I know what he can do. Yeah! There's nothing wrong with him. There's nothing wrong with him, but the quarterback play has been abysmal. And we've seen Aaron Rodgers before be able to facilitate the ball

and be able to dish it and deliver it to multiple players at a time because he did it for a very long time in green bay maybe he's just not the same quarterback we're used to seeing because there's no reason gary wilson to be upset there's no reason gary wilson with his talent with his skill level and what he can contribute to that offense there's no reason for this and his time his young he's not in his prime yet he's being wasted in new york it is and and that's and that's a look guys y'all look ochoes have a little uh it's a different way

i just call it like i see it yeah i don't i don't have anything personal against anybody um i don't think i'm better than anybody i don't care what somebody else is doing i just look at and said okay the guy's playing good the guy guy's not playing good. And let me try to tell you, explain to you why he's not playing good or why he is playing good. And so that's why I just don't look at touchdown interception sack, blah, blah, blah. I'm trying to look at how it came. I'm trying to look at how it came to be. That's why we were able to look at the players that, oh, that interception that y'all blaming on Russ. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That wasn't Russ. That was Pickens. He quit on the route. And so once he quit on

the route, the safety said, why the hell am I going to get wide when there's not a threat wide? The danger is streaming up the seam here. Let me just cheat this here. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Russ. I appreciate that. And everybody's like, Russ, how could you throw that? Had Pickens not quit on that route and he stayed wide,

that means Reed would have had to stay wide. Right. And that means Frymuth would have got over the top of it because he picked it. You have to understand, everything ties together, Ocho. We're talking about from a standpoint of running routes. We know how things tie together. Right.

Front side, we got to, maybe the front side, we got a dagger. Right. Hoping that safety get nosy that we got the post maybe the front side, we got a dagger hoping that safety get nosy that we got the post on the back side. That's what they did with the Dino route. The Broncos ran the Dino to Marvin Mims Jr. Safety's already outside, so I'm going to get him a little further.

Now, I'm going to head back to the post. Safety ain't paying attention on the back side. Now, I'm past you. So in offense, things tie together. It's it's almost like you know rice and gravy right you know uh you know cornbread and this or potatoes and that they go together and so you're trying to see okay this went together but guys at some point in time even even even our favorite players they're not what they once were.

And they can't do it. And that's the one thing that you learn is that you can't do it consistently. Right. You can have a game or two, but Aaron Rodgers just throw 250. Aaron Rodgers, hold on, how many interceptions did he? The man got, he probably got three seasons in 20 years in which he's had double-digit interceptionsceptions rogers was throwing 45 touchdowns with six picks 40 touchdowns with four picks routinely yeah that's why i'm not sure he has 100 interceptions total does he have 100

interceptions total that's when i that's when i told you the other night i saw the graphic come up i saw the graphic come up and i'm looking graphic come up. And I'm looking. I thought, I'm like, man, what in the hell? If he does, he might not have but 102. He has the greatest touchdown to interception ratio in NFL history. Oh, yeah. So he has 499 touchdowns, 113 picks, which is crazy. That's crazy, Ocho. Yeah, and that's why he's afforded opportunities, huh?

That's why he's giving grace to the quarterback. Because of that, when people understand it, they're going to use that as a crutch over and over and over. He's going to get another opportunity to play. I don't know if it's going to be New York. I don't know if it's going to be New York. Knowing Aaron Rodgers and the way he is and the way he operates, he's going to want to come back.

But here's the thing, Ocho. He's going to want to come back. Ocho, as you get older, you don't get to make the decisions. Yeah. Think about it. Tom Brady didn't get to write his ending. Yeah. Peyton Manning didn't get to write his ending.

Montana didn't get to write his ending. Emmitt Smith didn't get to write his ending. Yeah. Peyton Manning didn't get to write his ending. Montana didn't get to write his ending. Emmitt Smith didn't get to write his ending. There are not very many guys because once you get older, you don't get to write the ending that you want. But we've got a small problem. We've got a small problem. The Jets have a very small problem. What's that? Aaron Rodgers might not be able to write the ending, right?

Yeah. problem what's that aaron rogers might not be able to write the ending right yeah but they can't close the page on that chapter because they don't have nobody to open the new book yeah they do oh hell why wouldn't you go back to sam donald oh i like where you're going i like you see you know what i like this oh cho it's a lot sometimes sometimes even in a relationship the individual the female or the male can be paralyzed because they're so afraid that somebody might not out there what am i gonna do yeah i know he don't pay i know he beat on me i know she cheat on me i know this but i I going to be able to find somebody else? You get paralyzed by that because you overthink said situation. Yes, sir.

I refuse to be in a situation like that. Come on, man. I refuse to. I am not going to let you hold me hostage because I don't see it right now. Something on the other side. Come on, Pastor. Because the Jets cannot see. Right. Well, who's see it right now. Something on the other side. Come on, pastor, because the jets cannot see. Right.

Well, who's the quarterback right now that we can definitively say, are you saying that there's somebody out there that can be worse? I mean, are you telling me you mean to tell me you can't find somebody out there that can go five and 11? I mean, five and 12 that can go six and 10 that can go seven and seven.

And what? Nine and eight. Right there. You got to be kidding me. Yeah. that can go 6-10, that can go 7-8. Right. You got to be kidding me. Yeah. There are no quarterback chats. Tell me if I'm wrong. Do y'all believe that there's not another quarterback out there

that can do what Rodgers did this year? Mm-hmm. Now, if you tell me you're going to give me 2020, 2021 Rodgers, I say, hey, bring his ass back. Yeah, most definitely without in it in a heartbeat without without that guy oh joe that guy you would be in the playoffs but he's not that guy anymore right it's like the old the old actors actresses where's my close-up mr demille there is no close-up, Mr. DeMille? There is no close-up. Right. Oh, Cho, check this out.

Yes, sir. Salt Gardner posted a warning on IG to other players still away from the Jets on T. Higgins' post. Put me in, coach. Salt Gardner says, pay that man. Salt, tell him to come to the Jets. Salt Gardner, I will not be telling him that. Salt Gardner on if today's loss was embarrassing. Embarrassing?

I don't even know if that's the word. You're telling me now it's 40-0? If you ask me that means the end of the season, obviously we're not going to the playoffs. Some people might have checked out. Hey. I like it. It's okay to be honest.

It's okay to voice your frustration. It's okay to say how you feel without being PC. You know? It shows people that you care. It shows them that you care. It's okay. And I think more players need to do it. I think more players need to do it. He ain't throw nobody under the bus.

He ain't call no name. Oh, no, no. All he said, maybe some people about to check. I've been in situations before, Ocho. We're not going to the playoffs. Yeah. Ain't nobody trying to, hey, guys going through the motion because they don't want to get hurt.

I ain't trying to have no surgery in the offseason. Hey, I want to train. I ain't trying to have no surgery in the offseason. I want to train. I ain't trying to rehab. I need these first couple of months. I want to go to Jamaica. I want to go to Cancun or wherever I'm going. I ain't really trying to do no rehab. I ain't trying to be here in Denver.

I ain't trying to be here. No, that ain't going to fly with me. All he says is, hey, because I think it was a close game the first time they played. I think they lost 23-20. Yeah. So you mean to tell me we come back six weeks later and this team got us down 30-plus to nothing, 40 to nothing? Oh, hell no.

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