Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Jaylen Brown & Joel Embiid AT ODDS?! + MVP Year LOADING for Ant Man?!

Episode Date: July 14, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Jaylen Brown and Joel Embiid having no contact and Chris Finch says this is an MVP year for Anthony Edwards Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 00:00 - Introduction04:43 - T-Mac says Jaylen Brown and Joel Embiid havent spoken since the trade34:20 - Chris Finch on Anthony Edwards (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Don't mind if I do. Mm. Mm. Hey, dig it dog. Tracy McGrady said Jalen Brown and Joe L.N.B. Haven't spoken since the trade. Joe, let's take a listen to what Team Mac had to say.

Jay B was on a stream the other day, and he reached out to Max. He talked to Maxi, and he talked to VJ, but I don't think he hasn't spoken to Embed yet. And, you know, they had their thing in past years, you know, personal, you know, thing going on. Now they're teammates, and I don't think there's been a conversation between the two, at least not to my knowledge. I haven't heard anything on it. So that's not a good sign because when you go into a new team and when you go into a team that this is the MVP like you've been the MVP for this team now I'm coming to join your team and we haven't had a conversation that's that I don't like it yeah I don't like that you know what

I mean because we all trying to we're getting out to a fresh start joel you're getting off to a fresh start right and now you add in another MVP along with the young boys that you have to make things easier for you to make things easier for you and there hasn't been any communication is as far as my knowledge. Joe, this is your level of, go ahead, Joe. Hey, Joe, I know you probably, I'm from a football sense,

you know, when new players are coming in, especially on the new receivers, there are veterans coming from other teams, especially when it's the off season. I don't put too much into it as far the communication goes. Obviously, most of the players are off right now. They're traveling there with families. I wouldn't put too much into it, Joe.

And Unk, maybe you guys may feel different about it. even though a conversation needs to be had, listen, welcome to the team, maybe something like that. I think something a little bit more formal in person, you know, you guys see each other, but just saying, hey, welcome to the team as far as right now, especially why everyone's out doing their own thing, is eh, it's, it's, if I hear from you, it's okay.

If I don't, I see when it's time to play ball and it matters most. But, Joe, you might feel different. I kind of agree with you, Ocho. I feel like, you know, if they did have anything, you know, riff-wrap between each other, that's water under the bridge now, fellas. Maybe I have said some things and I still believe them to be true. But, hell, we're on the same team now. Is it water under the bridge?

Yeah, I mean, man. I mean, Tyler Hero thought it was water under the bridge too. He said that months ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but what I was doing? Hey, but what I'm saying, listen, we're on the same team now. I may have said something about you flopping cool. You still do. I still think you're a hell of a player,

but now that I'm here, listen, man, let's come together, man. I ain't tripping. Maybe they have talks since that interview, but I'm like, Ocho, I don't really put a whole lot of stock into that, bro. I just feel like M.B. knows what J.B. stands for. You know what type of shape he's going to be in.

You know the mindset he's going to come with. You're going to have to match their energy, partner, if y'all trying to do something in the Eastern Conference. What is standard protocol? I'm not talking about the eighth man on the bench. I'm talking about a bona fide, a finals MVP, an Eastern Conference MVP, an all-N-BA selection, a multiple, multiple, multiple-time all-star. What is standard protocol of a guy that caliber going to a team and the best player from said team,

or one of the best players from said team? What is normal protocol? Is it normal standard operating? A, standard operating procedure. SOP, what is standard, Joe? Yeah, no, no, no. I ain't gonna see him act like it ain't normal. Now, normally if you get a guy that caliber,

now, if you get a guy that caliber, the first thing, you know, you hit him, hey, bro, welcome to the squad. Boom, we're about to make some shake. You feel me? We got to be on the same page. We're gonna get together here soon. I know you're going through blahzy this, blah, blah,

but yeah, it should have been already handled. But he talked to the young guns already. Yeah. Maybe. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. When you went to New England, did Tom reach out to you? Yes or no? No, I saw him once I got to the stadium

because he didn't have my number. Okay. Yeah. Well, hell, he could have got that. He could, I mean, Belichick had it, so he could have got that. And me and Bill, you know, me and Bill had a relationship long before I got there.

Right. So me and Bill, was really close. And another thing, would have been B, is still upset and then B swing on Jalen Brown when you get there? Hey, chill, bro. Yeah. Hey, this ain't what Houston came to.

You know what I mean? Listen, we had a little mishap. See, one thing about it, a lack of communication can lead to a real misunderstanding, fellas. Yeah. And that's what we go to go. Whoa, whoa, whoa, Joe, whoa, Joe, you ain't just going to throw that out like that. Let me write that down, what? I'll go ahead.

Take your time. Take it time. I'm running back for the people who ain't here. I'm going to run it back. I'm going to run it back. I got to use that in my next argument. I'm going to run it back. A lack of communication can lead to a misunderstanding, man.

That's all it was. But, hey, hey, bam just had to get some straightening. You get a little straightening. Yeah. You see what I'm saying, Ocho? Hey, chat, y'all see I Joe Circle back on that? We had nothing left. Bam and Tyler Hero long ago.

Now, I could look, look, look, I kind of, I kind of feel Bam in a sense. You know what I mean? It's like, Ocho been doing all that talking about me and think when he sees me and he's going to be kick, ki, ki, ki, hi, ha, ha, yeah. Yeah. Hey, Bam's a, hey, Babs, hey, Babs, a Tyler hero, guitar, hero. Hey, Hogg's hero. Pop, five.

One, two, three, four, five. Yeah. Take that with you. And this, Talit, Talihiro, man, that's my dog, man. That's my homeboy. I'm sure there was a misunderstanding. He said some things that he probably thought one going to get out publicly. Of course.

He screenshot it from the DM. Somebody's, he tweeted that he did that in the DM. Somebody screenshot it and sent it out. I'm sure. I'm not sure if he tried to apologize. Knowing Tyler Hero, the way I do, I'm sure he tried to apologize. probably BAM really wasn't going for it.

And one thing led to another. I hope cooler heads have prevailed now and they probably talked it, talked it out. And I'm sure Tyler Hero apologized and Bann probably did the same thing. Listen, you move forward. You move forward and we play ball. Yeah, yeah. Hey. That would be something that would be better ask of John,

because I know that when they brought players to the team, I wouldn't, I wouldn't call anybody. Look, I've always had two phones. And you ain't getting the main line. That was for kids, you know, that was for very, very select group of people. That being said, like I said, Joe, that would be something that you would have, I mean, because quarterbacks, I'm sure you could hear I've already talked, you know, when Joe Burrow or you hear Patrick Hall, they already say, I've already talked to Patrick or I've already

talk to Joe, I've already talked to Trave, I've already talked to this guy. So I just wanted to know what was standard operating procedure because that's not something that I've been in. When we bring in players, you bring you, hey, I'll see you when I get to, uh,

a minicamp or training camp or something at that level. So that's why I'm asking you guys because I've never, I, me personally, uh, I've never, uh, bringing in.

I mean, I really, you never brought anybody I really knew. And at that point in time, it's kind of like today, guys, I understand. I'm a position friend.

We're friends because of the position I'm in. You're my friend because of the position you're in. It does, the day, the days of, You got somebody, Ocho, that you grew up with in high school. Joe, you grew up with high school in college. We're what we call positional friends now.

We're friends because of the position that we're in. See, let's not make it more complicated than what it is. We're teammates now, Joe. We're teammates now, Ocho. Yeah. Let's not lose sight of that, okay? So head over. Hey, that's my dog.

Hey, what a dog, hey. I'm glad you said that too. Okay, just because your teammates, Uncle Joe, you don't have to like each other. No. You're not there for a relationship. You're there to win a championship. or to do everything you can to win a championship, and everyone has to pull their own weight.

That's all it is. Now, if we happen to be friends and build a relationship because we happen to be on the same team, all for it. That's fine and dandy. And to answer your question, now that I think about it, remember, I got traded to the Patriots real late, right before the season started.

So Tom didn't have time to call me, because when they got traded, I had to be in New England in 24 hours. Hey, hey, hey, Tom won't call you, you know that way. You fall in line. You get these damn orders. I'm throwing the balls. Don't worry about it.

Yeah, he was, he was a hit, but he worked, Collie. You know that way. Hey, Joe, let me tell you something. When you get to New York, you're going to fall in line too because I'm a game. Damn. Hey, man, look, you're bad. Joe, I mean, Joe might have a change, Joe might have a change of heart and bring his girl. Don't beat him up in front of the girl.

Come on, come on. You got cheer. You got cheer. You got cheer. I'm just saying, man, just in case. You got to chill. You got cheer. Hey, you might, you might be on to something.

Because in order for him to go to Houston, I think he had to bring her here. So you know how it is when you want to go somewhere. You want to do nice things for your girls. So you let you go. Hey, hey, hey, K. Oh, Joe, you see the list? You see what I can, we got? We got an official.

Okay. Okay. Hey, chat, chat. Yeah, see, we can't even have a civil show no more. Hey, matter of fact, we might want to get that laminated so it can't get that. Okay, no problem. No problem whatsoever. Yeah, we always try to be, we try to do things official.

We don't ever, won't think anything. It's shade. or it's rigged. You know what I'm saying? I mean, hey, this is an official document. I'm trying to see, I'm trying to see how in the hell we go from Jalen Brown to my permission slip. That one I'm trying to see. That ain't no good safety. It all coincides. Well, listen. Listen, listen. Back to the Jalen Brown thing. Yes. I think what's understood really don't have to be explained, honestly, fellas. Meaning in B, I think he knows everything revolves around him.

Obviously, they still. No, I don't know. I don't think that's the case no more, Joe. Yeah, I'm saying when I say revolve around him, I'm meaning playing the right way because he can't be. Okay, yes, okay, I see what you say. He can't be no ball stopper. When I say fall in line, meaning like, man, look,

he's going to get 20 points because he's that damn good. You know what I mean? But can you get in the floor of the game and not be a ballstopper to where it gets all these other people, you know, out of sync? You know, we want to continue that chemistry and continuity that they kind of got going. We don't want to pull the reins back. We want to continue to let them attack offensively held J.B.

M&M. and Maxley, both average 29 a game this past year. Y'all don't think they're trying to build on that? Now, listen, I understand that they all going to have to sacrifice a little bit. I just don't want to see that wild, health-skelter-s basketball. No rhyme or reason. Your turn, my turn type. I don't want to see that, man. I want to see these guys being syncing,

Joel play the right way and make the game easy for everybody around. And that's what I want to see. But I also think, Joe, you know what happened a lot of times? They overpassed the ball because everybody wants to show that they're sacrificing and everybody wants to show just how unselfish they are.

And they're not, they're like, I'm going to show everybody. Bro, take the shot. We're not saying, we're not saying take of the obvious. We're not saying do the, you know, do the obvious right thing. But I think sometimes they're, over past the ball because they're trying to show you go out of their way to show that we're

just we're so unselfish I ain't got no problem with him I ain't got no problem and you're not playing really good basketball I still believe that you play fundamentally sound basketball and guys know when to when when to do the right thing and when when it's not the right thing that's just me personally but I really wanted to see what you thought about this because this is your level and like I said normally it's probably the quarterbacks that normally reach out because for the most part, that's generally the guy that's looked at as the CEO. Now, it'd have been very interesting. Probably, I mean, if you went to when Seyquan was with the Giants and, you know, they had some quarterbacks here, maybe they reached out to day, but maybe it was Sequin or maybe it was Jetta,

you know what I'm saying? Maybe it was something like that. But I know, you know, when guys to go to Kansas City, they would always say Patrick, they talked to Patrick or they talked to Tram. And so I was always interested to see because I was, even though I was one of the leaders on the team, I was, you know, I was busy. I was working out, hey. And he was like, Joe, did you, did you take guys when you, when you were in college and they brought guys in? Did you take them around campus? Did you take them on, show them on the official visit?

Nah, I wouldn't they got on. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was too quiet. When I was not, it wasn't that I was too quiet, man, I'd be too locked in. And I, I'm just not the typical guy when it comes to, like, showing guys a good time and all. that man I ain't the dude for that you're me yeah that ain't that ain't me because well on my visit I know they cut up damn Joe you didn't participate no man I wouldn't you know I wouldn't partaking in that uncle I want hey look let me tell y'all some man before I went to college I had a real plan I can't be here no longer than two

years bro no longer than two years I got to get my ass out of here yeah hey one no no N I had got a few million you know I could have brought mom to college with me she could have been cooking it out with me. Yeah, yeah, she could have got a place right close by. It was just going to be a little pissed out. Hell, it's a little pissed out. But we're going to go on, you know, get back on the road. Keep on a road moving.

Yeah. Oh, Joe, did you show people around? Would you? Where? At Oregon State. Well, you hell, you just got there. I was, I was, I was in a school for two weeks. I was in that.

I went to one class. I went to my finance, two class. I went to my finance, and you know I love theater and drama. Hey, hey. I ain't going to nothing else. You did, you did just enough to get by, huh? I did just enough that I know I'm gonna use late on in life.

You know, I'm dramatic. I love theater, plays, you know, stuff like that, and finance, you know I am gonna cut to my finances, but I don't play it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's how I was. I mean, look, I did it. Well, like I said, I showed Ben Colts around one time,

and I told him he shouldn't come. there because they moved me to tight-head and he's going to be on the bench. You told, oh, it was a guy in the same position as you. Yeah, Ben Colts that played with New England that went to the pro ball and me and he and he used to go to the pro ball. Yeah. He was from South Carolina. He went to, he ended up going to Livingston, but he came to visit Savannah State.

I was, I was his, I was his host. So I, hey, went out, that was the only thing. That was the first and the last time. So I was like, man, I didn't know what position you play. I was a wide receiver. So, you know, and coach, like, a lot of times the top offensive players that were coming in, skill position players, coach would have me, and I would only did it one time. So I guess he thought enough for coach that, okay, coach, I do it.

I said, my man, what position you play? He's like, man, I'm a tight end. I said, oh, okay. I say, what, I mean, what you're trying to do? He's like, man, you know, it'll be big for me to start my freshman year. I said, don't come here. He said, why? I said, because they're moving me to tight end and you can't beat me out.

I was just honest. And guess what, Joe? The next year, I was an All-American. Conference player the year, offensive player the year, all-conference, and Black College All-American. So what do you think the chance was

he's going to beat me out? Hey, you kept your 100 with him, man. He went to Livingston, had a great career, got drafted by New England, and him and I used to go to the Pro Bowl every year. If you were in the AFC, from like 93 to 90s,

98, you weren't going to the probo, not over me and him. Y'all had a sold up. The only question was, who was going to start? He or I. But you could, no, hell not. But I was honest with it. Yeah. Coach Davis said, God damn home.

I can't let you take nobody else out. We ain't able to get nobody. I just, and then if I'm a wire receiver, I'm taking you on a recruiting visit. But it got to the point, coach said, you're going to be the slot receiver. We already got our two receivers. It was me and Squirrel.

We came in together. So I was two, he was three. Yeah. Coach, hey, I'm an All-American. Then the next year I come back, I'm an officer player in the year. I'm first team all-conference. I'm again, Black College All-American.

I was the only sophomore on the Black College All-American team. Right. All the black coaches, we were in Greenburn, North Carolina, anybody that know the Sheridan in Black College, the Sheridan Network, they have a Black College All-American. Just for HB, Sue. HBCU players.

Yeah. My coach, Coach, Coach, uh, coach, uh, from Grambling, Robinson, um, coach from, uh, Jackson State, WC Gordon, uh, coach Willie Jeffery, all those coaches are, uh, are, uh, from gunsling, Archie Cooney, Coach Cooney. They sitting around. Now everybody else is juniors because guess what? They got the, uh, the black college all-star game. So they, you know, they, they're practicing.

All the coaches come in. I'm already there because I'm a sophomore. I can't practice with him because I'm not leaving college. And everybody was talking about these guy. Oh, man, Harvey Reed, who was running back. He was a player of the year, black college player of the year. They talk about all these guys, Benson Brown. They call him the Undertaker, Mississippi Valley.

He said, man, this joker here is going to be good. Coach Davis said, look here, I don't mean to cut you all off. He said, but I got the bad end here. And he's a sophomore. He said, I tell you what, in five years, he'd be the bad. He's going to be the bad. ever he played. He'll be the, he's going to be the baddest one. All y'all good. I'm sure all them guys good. He said, but I got the baddest end here right now and he'll sign boy.

Eli. Hey, hey, hey, um, you still, you still talk some of the players that played with you at Savannah State. Like you still talk about Bucket, Ben Bucket played together. What about Squirrel? I'm talking about Squirrel. I see Squirrel. I see. When I go back, Squirrel, we, we got what we call the 86 class. 86 is the best recruiting class in Savannah State history. Me, Squirrel, Big Daddy, Rough House, Dane, Yard, a couple of the guys are past. Now, Dame is past, yard is past, Coop, but we were the baddest, we were the baddest class,

BMW, Mike Wallace. Yeah, we still, we still keeping communication. And when I go back, which is not often, we get eight, call 86. And when we see each other, we start hollas 86, and we know who that is, 86. Yeah. We on the yard, they already know 86,

in the house. 86 in the house. Are ya, y'all, anybody with Savannah State, y'all know about 86? Y'all should cut up on their yard in your man. Huh? I already know. I already know it.

I already know it. But look, for the most part, I don't know, maybe at North Carolina, Kentucky, the basketball teams, because those are basketball schools, Arkansas products of basketball school. But if you, if you, if you, you go to a football school,

I'm just trying to figure out how anything can even come, come close, come close at Alabama, at Ohio State, at Michigan, at Penn State, Notre Dame, what is even close to the football team, guys, Georgia. Ah, no, no, yeah, Arkansas Football School, you're right. Nah, nah, no. Them boy, hey, hey.

Oh yeah, but we, yeah, we still, we, we plan, as a matter of fact, we plan, it's just so hard, because everybody still is in Atlanta, Atlanta and Savannah, uh, in Savannah, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Ocho. And so they talk, they talk all the time. And a lot of times when they have homecoming, their FaceTime me. That's the only time I let them FaceTime. They're like, man, hey, Sean, what's called on? Man, you need to beat out here. No, not with y'all drunk ass. I don't need to be down there.

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I say, bro, hey, if you pay for his way, I got him a ticket into the game. So, I mean, to the ceremony. So he paid for his own way because, like I said, he's a part of that 86 class, and we were like this here. Yeah. I mean, you know, obviously, guys, we fought against, you know, I didn't fight, but you know, we knuckle up.

But boy, ain't nothing come between us. Against us, against everybody else. Yeah, we're going to fight. Yeah. Hey, dabbing up and be okay tomorrow. Don't you try that. Don't you try that at that in the yard now. Hey, hey, hey, hey, I can remember.

Imagine the stories of boys got, boy. Hey. Huh? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's so funny.

No, Joe, no, I was like that. Well, I was like, Joe. Like you, Joe, Joe, I went to school, you know what I'm saying? I gotta get a degree. I got to get a pot here, man. Porter's sleeping for two reasons. Hey, hey, that don't mean you ain't freaking because you got to do all that.

But I could, hey, I only had four years to be there. I could be there freaking freaking, freaking would have kept me there next year or two. No, no, no, no. You know. I'll go get out regardless because back this about, well, I don't know if they do it now man black college ain't got no money to be red shirt nobody you got to get up out of

there you got four years you come out you come out there at 18 I mean 17 you get not at 21 you coming at 18 you getting out of 22 ain't no red shirt even if you hurt yourself you getting up out of there you just got a year cut show um hey joe every time you know when uncle and I first started and sometimes he'll tell stories about you know some some of the things that happened at the hbcc you we had some really good stories man we first started the show and man I just got That just got me thinking, man, obviously, I didn't have the opportunity because I was a knucklehead and I took such a long route, you know, in the system. And my love and my dream was to always attend Florida A&M University. Yeah.

Just to hear on talk about the ASBCU experience in general and being able to see my daughter cross their preview A&M. And Joe, it experienced that atmosphere, Joe. Yeah. Like I had to talk about my daughter crossing over. Joe, I was in tears, Joe. Yeah. Joe, I'm talking about in tears and the atmosphere, it was, it was unbelievable,

and I was only there for two hours. So I could imagine being able to have that experience for four years straight. If that small simicide can't be emotional, Joe, I ain't even close. Ain't nothing like rush. Oh, oh. You see them go over to see the AKA, the deltas,

or, you know, obviously the, the fives, the prats, the Q, the capas, the sigmas, the alphas. Hold on, they had all that, well, Ojo, was that, didn't it? Yeah, but it ain't nothing like a HBCU. Not the page. I know, no, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.

Boy, look here, the student day is homecoming Joe. That buzz, that atmosphere, that student center is buzzing. Everybody's starting to file, you know, the alumni start filing in on start coming in late Monday, Friday by Friday, everybody there, they up on the yard, they talk, hey, Shaw, hey, what you got for, Shaw? Oh, you already know, I'm going to put it down for you now. came back to see O'Shea do it.

Yeah. I got you. I got you. I'm going to do what I do. Hey, Joe, I had the opportunity to go, my daughter's senior year. I had the opportunity to go to Pre-Eview Homecoming, her senior year. Yeah. Joe, I ain't never seen nothing like it, Joe.

Yeah. I ain't never seen nothing like it. And every time family has their homecoming, my, you know what, I got to work. I'm always working on that Saturday. I've never had the opportunity to go. It's amazing. And that's what I tell people. to a PWI, every black that's gone to a PWI,

you should have to spend one semester at a HBCU, and you wanted to be the fall. You wanted to be the fall because in the fall, you're going to get a little bit of everything. You're going to get all the football season and you're going to get a couple of basketball games. Yeah. You know, we got our football team,

we were called the suit coat, the suit coat crew. So we come in there, all football players, we have a suit coat on. Yeah. And we got a roll of toilet paper. As soon as our team score, we throw the toilet paper on the floor. They have to start to get, bro, they started controlling checks on the joke. Yeah.

Hey, so now the player, they get, they get in high. Hey, Sean, y'all coming. We got you. Yeah. We got you. Just, hey, don't matter, if we go first or not. As soon as we go, about 40 rows of toilet paper. Now, you're going to mess up the dorm because, hey, we all the has so much toilet paper in there.

We have a steal toilet paper from the student center. But that's all right. But the, but the team, we had a great. We had a great foundation. We got, we got along for the most part, because Peacock, basketball, football, and a few baseball players, but mainly it was football and basketball players

that stayed in Peacock. Most of the baseball players stayed down there at Boston. But we were close. We were close. Oh, man, I wish I had the opportunity to get that experience where. Yeah. Ain't nothing like it.

College of college. A, college was fun, bro. Yeah. Damn. I'm glad I went when I went. Yeah. I couldn't, I could, Joe, we, we couldn't Joe. Well, you could Joe.

Ocho and I couldn't make it in social media era, not in college. Oh. Not in college. Hey. No, no, not me. Yeah. Not me. You got to realize, Joe, I had a brother in the NFL by junior senior year.

Yeah, you're going to be cutting up. You're going to be cutting up. Bro, I had a 300 ZX with T-T. I got a Mercedes. My CEO had a Mercedes, a 300E. Big body. Yeah. Boy ain't passing up no hoo-ho.

He got, he, he, he, yeah, I already know it. And you know you young then, man, hey, I had to hire him a hostage negotiator to talk him down. He'd be up by five to six hours, I had to talk him down. Hey, hey, this, you've done all you can do, Mr. Sharp. You can come on your, hey, you can ease down now. You got a chill. You got a chill.

Man, I realize your. had a hospital negotiated to talk him down, that's a Savannah PD. Hey, he asked about me. Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. What's wrong with your man, bro? He got to share.

Listen, but let me tell you how bad I had it, right? I wanted to never had the opportunity. Went to Oregon State, obviously a great time. It was a short four-month stem for me at Oregon State. But I love family you so much. Joe, and I was a knucklehead in school. Joe, I graduated high school late. I didn't apply myself.

Smart, but I didn't apply myself. I love FAMU so much, even after I made it to the NFL. You know how I'm about music. I love the band. I always been a fan of the band. From 2002 to 2008, I'm not sure how many people in the chat went to FAMU or maybe played in the band, but I'm sure you heard the stories. Every off season, I did my training in Tallahassee just so I could see band camp. Joe, just so I can see band camp.

Man, Dr. White, I don't, I'm not, Dr. White's not there anymore. Right now, the band director is Dr. Shepard is Dr. W. Chitman. They saw, hey, Joe, every off season, I'm in Tallahassee at bay. I go train in the morning and sit there and watch band camp. Oh yeah. Did you ever play the instrument?

Yeah, you know, Joe, I play piano and alto saxophone. Yeah. Okay. I'm talking about love and just, I couldn't go there. So that gave me my sense of peace. Yeah, yeah. It's being able to see band camp during the all season, get my training done in the morning and go watch them boys, man.

That's a, yeah, because by the time you got there, because when I came out, Prop 48 had just been instituted. The year I graduated because of what happened at the University of Georgia. So that made it work, that made it, so everybody was up under you had to make at least 700. Or you had to sit out your freshman year. So the only place I really could go was D2 or the HBCU. So that's why I ended up going to Savannah State because I was one of the top recruits coming out. But my grades, like I tell people all the time, Joe,

I couldn't have got in prison with my grades. Hey, I haven't been to hold nobody. I haven't been to hold nobody. I'm not, I'm like I am now that of acquiring knowledge and wanted to learn, I had no interest in that when I was in high school. Because you have to understand, I was so much better than everybody else in my school.

Yeah. I was so much better of a basketball player, so much better as a football player, especially my senior year. It was close my junior year, my junior year. We had a guy to end up going to Georgia Tech named Mofonzo Thomas.

He probably was the best player. I probably was the second best player. My senior wasn't even no question. Basketball, I was best player. Track, I was the best. I was the best at what I did. So, hey, see, don't read. They can, hey, they can.

What you call them. Do no school work. They came from being out there in them fields. Hey, the chat, the chat making fun of me, talking about, I lie so much. Hey, I'm not so much. But if a chat, do me a favor.

Those that think I'm lying, look at my Instagram. Look at my picture that's on my Instagram. That, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, look at my picture. That's my Instagram. What you call it, huh? Your bio. Your bio, yeah.

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I think it's also maturation and recognizing what the team needs, where the team's at. He'll be far more like, I think I've just engaged in the overall sport. He's looking, he's watching, he maybe didn't have the confidence to express some of his thoughts before, and now he's just way more community, and it's fun. Joe? Hey, can we see Ant Man seriously in the discussion?

as an MVP? Yeah, I think it can definitely happen. Obviously, health plays a big factor. Okay, Ocho, but when you look at LaMello ball and, man, their games complement one another. LeMello is so unselfish. He makes guys around him better. He has a natural feel, a natural great feel for the game.

Like, when you watch a cat play, bro, it ain't necessarily about him coming out, scoring 30, 40 points a night. It's his natural feel of the game. knowing how to pass, when the past, you know, seeing plays happen before they really even happened. And LaMello was like that, bro. He, hell, if I ain't mistaken, Uncle Ocho, I think he led the league as far as usage rate, making guys around them better.

There's some stat I've seen. But I think he's definitely going to make the game a lot easier for Ant Man offensively because he knows and understands. Listen, okay, boom, this is our horse. I definitely got to get him going. I got to get him at least eight to ten easy points. to where he don't even have to fight and work hard. You know what I mean?

And then it's going to be nice. Well, he's probably going to have 14, 15 damn assists. But then there's going to be some other nights where he's going to have an efficient 22, 25 points. He'll lead him in school. You know what I mean? I just feel like, yes. They compliment one another and it's going to be so fun to watch because they're both so electric box office and can play, bro. They both got something to prove.

Lamello will have a chip on this shoulder. You know what I mean? This is going to be good for the game. And you look at it, Joe, he's got a guy, not only can he facilitate. Now, he's the, uh, Lamello's going to be the best score that he's played with since cat. Mm-hmm. And he's playing with a guy that's a little more flamboyant as far as passing the ball than Mike Conley. He can score better than Mike Conley.

They, they're kind of same. Mike Conno can facilitate, but Mike Conno wasn't the score that Lamello is. Yeah. And nobody said, so now you got him and you got McDaniels coming on into his own. So now you just can't gang up on Ant Man. You've got to pay these other guys some attention. And so it's going to be very, very interesting to watch. I can't wait to see it play.

I can't wait to see him go at it because Ant Man is so fun to watch. I've never seen a guy because normally most guys be taking the series. They don't really, Ant Man will engage with fans on the sideline. Yeah. He's like, oh, you're like, man, oh, hey, I got to work out. I'll be big like you. I said, I don't know about that. And he said, no, no, no, no.

This is a lot of not eating. a lot of working out. Hey, hey, hey, it's good that he know his body because, you know, some of us know. You know, we know, but we can't afford no bad week or two hell. We've been to pick up temper. Hey, but I think Minnesota, okay, Ocho,

I think they're going to lean heavily on McDaniel really making a huge jump, you know, this upcoming season because they're going to be perimeter dominant, and they're going to need guys to really be able to score points and be effective on both ends of the court, and they got a number of cats who can do that, bro. So did you write on? They got offensive firepower.

You look at the Somo, you look at Shannon, you look at LaMello, you look at Ant. Like you said, if McDaniels take that next step offensively, they got four or five guys that we know what to give it. Well, we know AntMack can get 30, 40. But the other guys, and we've seen Mello get 40, but those other guys can get you a solid 20, easy. Yeah, easy.

They got it. And so now we got, you got your anchor with Rudy. Rudy's going to be Rudy. Just give me a double double, Rudy. Anything over eight points, we'll graciously accept. But we need you to be somewhere around 11, 12, 13 rebounds a game. Around two, three block shots a game with some intimidation factor. Even though you don't block it, you alter it so much,

they're not even close to making it. Absolutely. Ant man is going to be Ant man. I'm counting on him being that. But I agree with you, Joe. I think they're going to be a very fun team. you know, they moved on from Jew Randall. They felt like he was clogging it up and wasn't.

This is me. Nobody's told me this, but like, I don't really think he ever really fit with what they were trying to do, Joe. Right, right. I understand. You know, I think what happened, especially in the playoffs, they tried to play through Randall, and it just didn't work. You know, obviously, Ant Man was hurt.

He was hobbled. Hell, he even came off the bench the first, I think, game or two. Yes. It just didn't happen for him. You're right. The games don't compliment each other because he's just not a, he can catch and shoot and make a three, but he ain't no damn catching shoot three.

You know what I mean? Like he kind of got a play through in order for him to be effective. You know what I mean? You got to drop him to block, drop him the ball in the mid post and let him work a little bit. You know what I mean? And it's kind of like force feeding. So I just think they're really thinking back,

you know, obviously with them getting rid of cat and him going to win a title. hell man, hey, things happen, bro, move on. You know what I mean? I think the thing also, Ocho and Joe, is that because Julius Renter is not a great passer, he doesn't do a great job of passing when the double team comes, and he doesn't have a signature move.

So now he's got to take 15 dribbles just to get within a couple of feet of the basket to try to bull his way to the basket up and under you. Well, man, so while you doing all that, uh, uh, uh, I'm just standing around watching, Joe. Hey, Joe, I'm like this. I'm ready. Hey, what you're going to do for me now?

Come on now. Shoot it to me. I'm ready. Hey. Oh. Like, what, damn? Hey. He's like a dump truck, a sanitation truck.

Beep. Beep. Beep. What damn, Joe? Hey, hey, you're right. Now you pass me the ball with four seconds and wonder why I rushed up a shot. Now you killing my shooting percentage because you rushed me a shot. You gave me the ball 30 feet out.

Hey. Okay. Oh, Joe. the most underrated attribute a cat can have in basketball is being able to pass the damn ball right man i'm talking about that's the most underrated attribute because if you got a guy who can really pass especially your bigs man they can make the game a lot easier for everybody but if you got somebody man who can't pass it's hard bro it makes a game a lot harder you know what mean so i understand what i'm saying you know as far as drew randrando not being a a great passer

man you got to have if your bigs can pass the ball man your offense can run Real smooth, bro. Why you think Yokic is so dominant? Oh, man. Why do you think Yokin's just so dominant? He could pass his ass off. Like a damn point guard. Yes.

Yes. That's why. Biggs that can pass out of the double team. Now because guess what? I pass out of the double team. Akeem Elijah Juan, he was passing a Kenny Smith jet and Vern. Man Max were getting wide open threes. Ory getting wide open look threes.

Sam Casale getting wide open look threes. And now. Now when you come to double team, I dumped the ball down to the oldest Thorpe. Yeah. Or I got Clyde Slat knifing through the basket, boom. So when you get a guy like that, Shaq with Kobe, you look at go look at Shaq.

Now he's not a six, seven or six guy, but Shaq knew Kobe comes slashing diving. He's dumping off to him, Kobe dunk in the ball. Or he got Robert Orr, he got Rick Fox, he got fish, knocking down three. So when you got guys like that, it's hard, you got the double shack. You ain't got no choice.

You know you got shooters out there. Look, yeah, that's a three-point shot. But Shaq going to dunk your big in the basket if you don't double it. Every time, every time. And think about that. You see what y'all just said, right? Yeah. Shack is.

How dominant Shaq is. Yes. And now think about that fire we got down there in Miami. Huh? No, no, no, no, no. Think about that. Think about that. They're only going to ever be another one.

I'm not saying he is Shaq. I'm just saying what teams are going to have to double team him. And we got the king coming over there too, right? We got the king coming over there where he needs to have to carry the crown, carry the weight of the shoulder. Stay with me, Joe. Let me finish. All right.

He's had to carry the weight of the shoulders all his career. Now he want to sit back, kick back, and relax and let everybody else do the heavy lifting. Guess where he could do that, Joe? Where he can do that, Joe? Boy, he can do that down and day counting, boy. Hey, Ocho. Ocho. Talk to me.

Yannis, you really don't have to double Yonis. You just got to build that damn wall and trade the wall. Yeah, I'm not done because he don't have a signature move, Ojo. Ocho, he ain't got like a midi. He ain't got no turnaround. I'll give him that all day. I just got to keep him out of the paint. That's what you do.

As long as I ain't letting him do this, a dunk in the ball on me. You heard what you just said? Yes. I got to keep him out of pain. Who in the hell has succeeded on keeping him out of the paint? Build that wall. It's been a team that beat his ass in the playoffs when I can just focus. on him. Well, he by itself. You can't just focus on him now.

Hey, I'm just not going to let him get 30, 15, and seven. Well, Bam, he'll be 83. Okay, well, let Bam give us 83. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, real talk, though. Like, Yonnis's getting the rebound. That's when he had his deadliest. When Yonis, when Yonis get the rebound, Ocho, I feel like he's deadliest because, you know, he can attack. It's a fast break right away. So what teams have to do is you have to build that wall. Meaning you got to have at least shit two, three sets of eyes on them. And you're all in close proximity.

So he ain't got no lanes he can kind of get into and getting the teeth of your defense and calls all kind of hell. Because once he do that, you let him get in there. Now he's nerve hooped dunking it, spraying out for three. It's just too many options. You know what I mean? But I think they're going to be a hell of a team. I think they're going to be greedy defensively, which is going to fuel their offense. Yeah.

Hey, hey, hey, Ocho, oh, real talk. If y'all get LeBron, what if they ain't going to be turned up to the max over there, boy. Hey, Joe, you ain't got to tell me because you understand that expert analysis you just gave me.

Yeah. What do you think LeBron thinking? LeBron, no. Where can I go? Why, I don't have the shoulder the burden. What is going to be the easiest route for me, not to just play? Yeah, we heard Rich Paul say,

oh, it's not about the money. Oh, it's not about getting the ring. The hell you say, say yes it is I want my best chances I want to maximize the end of the road as much as I can and this is the best fit I understood that which is why I've been saying everything I've said how you think I knew yon is coming to mind what did I say on the show long time ago long time ago before anybody oh yeah yon's how he's looking for houses I mean I ain't just thought that I to just be throwing out there and then we got the reports today on you saw the reports about clay

what I saw that hey listen Listen, when I say something on here on nightcap, I know y'all think I'd be lying. I got my sources. And I don't even need sources because I'd be in the room with the people that's making the moves. What you're saying, bro.

Huh? What's you saying? You got really lucky because had Boston given that third year that Yonnis wanted, Yonis would have been in Boston. But hey, you must have to do Boston wasn't going to give him that third year. They won't know. I know what I'm talking about, man.

You know what they won't go in that third year? You said something very interesting before I was leaving. You say Yon is getting the ball on the defensive rebound and pushing it. It's like a running back, Ocho. What we say about Derek Henry, we got to make him check his feet. If I let if I just toss him the ball and let him run and then come down hill, I got to make him check his feet. I got to make, I got to stop the ball.

I got to make Yonis pick up his dribble. Yeah. And I ain't talking about it the damn free throw line because it's too late. You let him pick up and dribble up the free throw line. He had the basket. He's dunking it. Well, you filing it. Hey, the best thing you can do, make them go east and west, Joe.

Yes. I got to stop the ball. I got them. That goddamn Derek, hey, that goddamn Derek. Henry, Joe, Joe, he weighed by as much as you. He's six, three, and he gets ahead of steam. Once he get past the line, boy, I'm making a business decision. And now you can do it.

I'm going to tackle his shoe. That's it. I'm going to have his shoe. As a returner, we say, hey, the first guy down to the gunner, You got to throw. You just can't let him. Because when they just hit it on the move, yeah.

It's too much. You got to make him check his feet. But I told Ocho, when they first got there, what I told him do? I say, man, y'all put him in an offset. He's not an offset back.

He's not Jemir Gibbs. He's not Christian McCaffrey. Put that man heels in eight yards and toss him the damn ball. He's an old school back, huh? He's an old school eye back, Joe. Hey, he want to be out there. And you can put a full back.

in front of and you can let the fullback slide or however you want to. But he wants you to hand it to him or toss it to him. But he can't he's not, he's too long. He's a long striver. So as a long strider, you put him in the offset, one step, two steps, he had the line. Yeah. Hey, hey, well, how

he ain't shifted like, he ain't shifted like him. He ain't shifted like a Christian McCaffrey. No. He's not, he doesn't have shake like that, like a James Cook. Those guys can operate in an offset position, but not him. He's too big. But how, how's he, how's he that big though with that type of breakaway speed?

Cause it's like once he get through that if he can get through there it's like no damn catching him. No, no, no, he's strong. He threw that hair back like we did back in the country. You know that head back? It's over. If we ever throw that head back. Yeah.

Goodbye. No, he's strong, Joe. Oh, yeah. Damn. I'm not talking about this strong. I'm talking about when he running, he's in the open field. Yeah. He's strong, boy.

See, people miss. on him. He went in the second round because of his style. You got to look at the Ocho Joe and Ocho. Yeah. He had the most yard. He has the most rush yards in high school football history. He broke Ken Hall's record of Sugar Land, Texas. Damn. That's still for like

50 years. He broke that record. Now he goes to Alabama. He's not there long, but look at the carries. And he had what we call an upright running style, which is a big target. He's a big man providing you a big target to hit. So everybody says, ain't no

way he's going to be able to last long. He's got 2,000, 3,000 cares in high school. He's got another 2,000 cares in college. And so he might, at best, got four, five years. And here you if I'm not mistaken, going to year 10 and go year 11th and have a chance

to be the all-time leading Russia. He has a chance, outside chance, to catch Emmett Smith and Ladanian Thomas as far as touchdowns from a running back. So he surprised a lot of people because of his running style is not conducive for someone because he's a guy that runs to contact.

He's a collision back. He, hey, if you don't know this, now if he got there to open and he see you go, because I got to tackle him low, Ocho. I haven't been hitting him in his damn chance.

You are, absolutely not. And get right. I'm going low, Joe. Hey, I noticed that this year, too, this past season because he dealt with them damn fumbles because

guys, hey, that guys were like, damn taking this contact. I'm going to strip this damn bar. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

And now I put that in the back of his mind, so now he can't run aggressively as he normally would because he's thinking about securing the football. You're at your best when you're just free. Ocho is just running his ride. He's running that speed out. Ocho, that left foot going to hit at 10. He's going to throw it to 20.

He's going to roll. Hey, he knows. When he comes out of that break, one, two, that ball. Hey, wow, he already know. I'm hit at 10. I'm going to roll to 12. Hey, when that right foot hit on that dig route and I'm on the right side, I'm driving back down here.

I already know that. But I can't be thinking about because what happens is it soles doubt you have a couple of drops. Now all of a sudden you apprehensive. You tried to body, you try to buy, you ain't fluid. You're trying to body catch it, Joe. Yeah, yeah.

You're running with the football. You're like, you got both hands around it. You can't, you can't, how are you joking somebody like that? You need to have the ball. Ah. So they put doubt in his mind because they had those fumbles last year, especially against Buffalo. Hey, remember what I said on the show?

bunk, he found it because he got them wet on his arms. Oh, those sleeves? No sleeves. Next game, sleeves was gone, Joe. You got to be able to feel that ball on your skin. When you wear them long sleeves, Joe, like the hoop was well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you can't feel the ball, you got to be able to feel that ball.

Yeah. Somebody punched the right way, you got to have that skin, skin the leather on. You got to have that skin the leather contact. But I like, considering that Minnesota has not Denver, out a couple of years of the playoffs. And we really just aunt. Now, Jay McDaniels has been out of his mind. I don't know what it is about the Nuggets, Joe.

And then they found something in the Samo. They found something in those guys, but I don't know what it is about the Nuggets that he loves playing against the Nuggets. Hey, and he gives Murray a fit. Hey, that's why he plays well. Let me tell you something. When you got a guy who's known for defense and he can score,

he's a pretty good offensive guy too. See him having the guard Murray, it fuels his offense because, you know, you play good defense, you ain't good spirits, so you're playing the right way, boom, that ball fine you. You know, now you're able to make plays offensively, but defensively he's so engaged that, you know, it kind of fuels his offense and kind of gets him going to the point

to where he, damn, he looks so good against the nuggets. I'm like, I don't think that. The Nuggets want to see the Timberwoods no damn more. Yeah, no. He's like, I need to see, I need to see the Nuggets about 40, 50 games. I'm a all-star against him, but show. But that's just, that's how it rolls out. It is.

I'm anxious to see Ant Man. He is, you know, he's a pleasure to watch. Because at the end of the day, I don't give a damn to sport. It's still about entertainment, Ocho. Yeah. Well, you go to a sport, you go to a sporting event to what? To be entertainment. Yeah.

Yeah. Let me ask you a question. If Jordan just laid the ball up, would you go to be just entertained? It was that tongue hanging out, and he's sideway. Yeah. Yeah.

It was Magic Johnson doing this. Yeah. Yeah. That part. Yeah. That's why Biggs. That's why Big is hard to resonate with Biggs, unless you like Shaq breaking down the backboard.

Everybody's talking about the most unstoppable shot that's ever been created in basketball is what? The hook. That's sky hook. Sky hook. And don't nobody get Kareem credit. Man, ain't nobody want to see that. Ain't nobody practicing there no more.

And nobody practicing. Of all the things, you see people do the Fanger Roll, George Gervin, and Doc Fanger Roll. You see them hang in the air. They even tried to copy Steph Curry shooting the ball from distance. Ain't no one player have ever. What the last time you seen somebody throw a hook shot from 18 feet like Kareen?

Hey, that's a hard-ass shot, though, Uncle Ocho. lie to you. And that's probably why they don't want to do it. It would take long to perfect something like that too. Carrey said you think how long you thought he took him to work on that? He said you make it seem like he just came in the league and he been working on his whole career. Oh yeah. Yeah. And so and that's the thing. Jordan is not Jordan if he wasn't entertaining. He understood the entertainment value of it. Right. Yeah. When he started flying through there, dunking on there, body. With spraying his legs, huh?

You already know how the logo go and start playing. The jump man. Yeah. I mean, he, and he dunking on everybody in the game. And when he came out with that tongue hanging out,

I said, man, you're going to bite your damn tongue on. I'm surprised he didn't have any issues. We got somebody hit him out there or hit him while his tongue was out. What kind of issue? Well, if the Knicks didn't do it and the heat didn't do it

and the pistons, where nobody else was going to do it. Because they were the most, physical. But don't sleep on the Boston Celtics now. People don't, people don't look at, because they look at McKell

and they look at Parrish and they look at Byrd and don't think they were physical. But shh. They had a super team. Shh. Everybody, all of them have two. The Lakers and the Celtics

had a super team. But super teams are okay, Joe, if you build it. That's what I, that's what I learned to notice. Man. As long as you build it. But you do realize

the Celtics did not draft Robert Parrish. They traded him for Joe Barry Cowell in the right to the number one pick. So they trade, that's how they got Kevin McKell and Robert Parrish. Yeah. They didn't draft Dennis Johnson. They didn't draft Nate

Archibald. A lot of the players that they got, they didn't draft. But that's okay. That was before he went there. And look at the Lakers. They didn't draft Corrine. They drafted Magic. They didn't draft Bob McAdoo. But look, if I like it,

you I'll make excuses you know what I said oh Joe I like what you do if I don't don't give a damn what you do you can find a cure for cancer screw you ain't you ain't cured diabetes oh man you find a cure for cancer but you ain't cured diabetes what you're gonna do about that Joe come on come on if you're so good at medicine but you know how I go but no I think this is I and man you come the close he gonna come is to the Lakers or the clippers I got you gonna see I got to hit a hey T lu I know you watch it because you watch all the time I'm a comfy at man play when they go when they go play the clippers yeah I think I want

what I will I'm gonna hear the ass up oh yeah uh Minnesota gonna be fun to watch this year okay old Joe yeah absolutely they're gonna be fun to watch they still gonna I still think they're gonna be a top they're gonna be a top five team in the east I mean west top five sure yeah For sure. And if they stay healthy, they might be top four. Good be. If you can stay healthy.

Yeah.