Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Jerry Jones & Micah contract disputes, Kyler Murray doesn’t love running & Isaiah Bond joins the show!

Episode Date: April 3, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Jerry Jones and Micah having contract disputes, Kyler Murray isn’t a big fan of running the football, and Isaiah Bond joins the show to talk about the upcoming Draft!06:00 - Introduction08:30 - Jerry Jones comes to agreement with Micah Parsons33:23 - Kyler Murray doesn’t like to run the ball41:25 - Browns & Giants won’t pick QB in draft48:12 - Isaiah Bond1:01:00 - Chiefs fans notice NFL rule change after two Bills losses(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Isaiah Bond joins us in a second. But first, the biggest story. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones says he has come to an agreement with Michael Parsons on big aspect of his contract extension, but excluded David Muguleta from athletes first from the talks. Let's take a listen to what Jerry had to say, and Jerry being Jerry. Tom. Yes.

Tom, guarantees, money, all those things. We've had a meeting on the minds. Why have you not had the same meeting in my organization? Well, I don't know that, you know, I'm the one who has signed the check, and mine is the one who has to agree to it. So that's the straightest way to get there is the one writing the check and the one agreeing to it talking. And that's the principle that's involved here.

And I understand all the other issues, but as you know, it's not uncommon for me to negotiate directly with players. I've done that. We are there. I don't view it as urgent at all. Some say,

using the basis that the earlier you get something done, the cheaper. The earlier you get something done, the cheaper. Well, the earlier you get something done, a lot of times the more mistakes you make. And you might want to see a few more cards playing, not just with that particular negotiation, but with the whole team. And so I know I'm kind of being a little defensive here, but the idea that the only success is getting a contract done at an early time is incorrect.

And I'd rather pay more and get it right. Hey, that's the problem out there in Dallas now. That's the problem. Why would you not want to do a contract the right way and have the middleman, the agent, who has to understand and look at the language? Did he do it? No owner ever does a contract with the player itself. If he has an agent, especially if he has an agent,

sometimes you see Bobby Wagner does his own contract. Lamar and his mom, they did his contract. Okay, that's fine. But he knows David Muguleta, he was the guy that negotiated Michael Parsons' rookie deal. Now, he didn't circumvent Todd France, who did that Prescott deal. He never circumvented Tony Romo's guy, who did his deal.

Did he circumvent CeeDee Lamb? You see what he tried to do? No, no, no. And Clarence Hill Jr. reported this. He used to write for the Dallas. I don't know where Clarence is now. But he reported that he tried to circumvent it. And Michael said, facts.

But I'm not doing any deal. He said that's why I have representation. Yeah. He said I have representation for this very reason. You're going to go through the same parameters and deal with David Muguleta like you did everybody else that negotiated these $100 million contract. Because, you know, see, you ain't just doing this. Jerry ain't writing this contract. He got lawyers writing that contract.

You see what Jerry's trying to do? Jerry thinks he's slick. Yeah, very slick. And not only do we have lawyers writing the contract, there are certain things in the contract that players really don't know about. There's fine language that you can't see, that you can't read, that you have to go through. And when you think about a contract, I don't know if people actually know.

It ain't no just one piece of paper. It's many. Contract is many of paper. It's many. Contract is many layers to it. Right. Many layers to it. And you got to peel through all that. And who does that? The agent.

The agent and the lawyers. Any assistance that he may have to make sure that everything is in there right. Because it's tricky language in there that will trip you up if you don't pay attention to it. Or have someone that knows what they're looking for do right by you long term they'll play with you get somebody get somebody oh joe you get somebody get somebody situation he gets a dui i hope that never happens he runs a file with a law now they terminate the entire contract contract yeah see that that it's that fine language in there. You can't see it now.

Yeah, because all you look for is the money. But you got to have somebody read through it. David Mugameta is going to read through it. Then he's going to have his number two to read through it to make sure he didn't miss anything. And then maybe, you know what, have a number three read through it to make sure the first two didn't miss anything.

Because you want to go everything with a fine-tooth comb because when you're dealing with this kind of money, I ain't trying to get y'all none of it back. I don't want no offset language. I don't want nothing. You're not putting

none of that in there. They love that offset language. I know they do. They love any way where you make any errors in life, whether it's on the field or off,

and trying to get their money back. And you know what's funny? When it comes to contract talks, it lets you know how owners really feel about you. Yeah. You're part of their team. When it comes to contract talks and negotiation, it'll let you know how management, GMs, and owners really feel about you when it's time to get paid.

That's why I had an agent. That's why, because Ocho, I didn't want them to tell me something that's going to cause me to feel some type of way. Okay, they're going to tell you, they're not going to tell you what you do good. They're going to tell you what you do bad. And I don't want to hear that. Because I don't want to, hey, I know you feel about me a certain way. I feel that same way about your punk ass. So to keep me from saying, you know, from going on.

Yeah. And he's only going to tell me the good stuff. Oh, yeah, it's going really, really well, even though he's never going to tell me that because...

He's not going to tell you the truth. He's not going to tell you the truth. And you don't want that. No, the words that are used in those meeting rooms when it's time to negotiate, they play hardball. Yes.

For one, they're going to undermine you and they're going to lowball you off the rip. Of course. They're going to undermine you and and they're gonna low ball you off the rip every single time no matter how good you are no matter who the player is unless you're a quarterback now every other position oh they don't play you got to have a shark you got to have a shark as an agent when it's time to go get paid and that's what you need but i i don't know but see that that's the thing why would you see jerry do now why would you try you know this man has an agent why are you trying to circumvent him

oh the best way to do things is to go right no that ain't how it works jerry so it ain't that's not that's how it never works unless unless there's a player unless he's representing himself represents himself and says that he's representing himself. And those that do do it, they've done their homework and due diligence to be able to do so. Right. And even they have helped. Yes.

And getting that done. This is what Michael tweeted. Michael said, facts, David is the best and I will not be doing any deal without David Muguleta, at David Muguleta involved. David Muguleta, involved. Like anyone with good sense, I hired experts for a reason. There's no one I trust more when it comes to negotiating contracts than David.

There will be no back doors in this contract negotiation. Yeah. None, zero. I know. I wonder if stuff like that pisses jerry off for jerry to come out and say one thing and then i can come back and correct them and let the world know regardless of what jerry says i do have representation and i'm not getting a deal won't be done unless jerry goes to the right the right channels the proper channels yes yeah and uh uh i got one more year on my deal.

Miles Garrett had two years left on his deal. Miles Garrett got 40 mil. Come on, see me. Miles Garrett got 123.5 guaranteed. 100 million in the first three years. I need to get more than that. Because Miles Garrett got two years left. I got one.

Holler at your boy. And hold on. What if they get to the point where they piss Mike off and they piss off the agent and they say, you know what? We're just going to play out that last year. And you can't. Don't franchise tag us. We're too late. They got that franchise tag on them. But see, here's my negotiating chip moving forward.

Y'all want this 18th game? No more franchise tags. No more transition tags. That's a good one. And that's for Bark. That's for starters. And I want at least for every vested player that plays at least three years and become vested, I want at least 10 years of medical.

Benefits after we're done playing. After we done. At least at the bare minimum 10. And the more you play, the longer that goes. But I don't want a franchise tag. Franchise tag goes away immediately. Transition tag goes away immediately. I like

that. I have a question. I got a good question though. Think about this. If there was something that you could put on the table, what would you rather more? Would you rather get rid of the franchise tag? Lifetime health benefits. Or people have the ability to get guaranteed contracts.

Guaranteed contracts. I knew that. I knew that's a good one. That's a good one. Guaranteed contracts. Guaranteed contract. Guaranteed. Yeah. And, I mean, look, and now I think the thing is,

everybody's trying to get at least the first three years guaranteed. But, hey, I've seen them do it. They've guaranteed entire contracts. Kirk Cousins, ever since Kirk Cousins, his third year, he's gotten franchise tag, which is guaranteed, franchise tag, which is guaranteed. Hisanchise tag, which is guaranteed. His first three years in Minnesota was guaranteed. His first three years in Minnesota, last second three years in Minnesota was guaranteed. His three years in Atlanta is guaranteed.

So he's operated with nine years of fully guaranteed contract. They fully guaranteed Deshaun Watson. So they can do it. Well, hold on. Wait, listen to what you're saying now. Look at the position you're talking about. Quarterback. You're talking about specific position.

The quarterback. The one who actually has the ball in their hands most of the time. All the time. So I think them guaranteeing them money, they see fit based on the position. And importance of it. Now, what about other positions? Offensive lineman. D-lineman, skill player, defensive backs, wide receivers, running backs.

I think running backs would probably be the last on the list. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You need money unless you are special. Very. You got to be special. I think the thing is, Ocho, most teams value running backs. The most value a running back has is the first three, four years out of college. Yeah, man. Because guess how old he is? is his first three, four years out of college.

Yeah, man. Because guess how old he is? He's normally 21, 22, 23, 24. Mm-hmm. Now, if he's really good, I've given him somewhere between 200 and 300 carries. Mm-hmm. That's just in the NFL. Yeah. I'm excluding what he put on his body in college.

College. And I'm excluding what he put on his body in high school. I'm assuming so now you're talking about somebody that's had what somewhere between six and eight hundred carries in college another twelve hundred by the time he's 25 that's 1800 carries plus what he had in high school how many more crazy got in them legs see that's how they look at it yeah always but derrick henry but but you know d Henry, all those carries that he had in high school, I mean, he's the all-time leading rusher in high school. D. Henry had, like, damn near 1,000 carries in college.

And what do you have now? Probably another 2,000. Yeah. So they look at running backs and say, the greatest value you'll have as a running back is your first three to four years in the NFL. Because guess what? That's when you're at your youngest.

That's when you have the pressure, the most tread on your tires. But I just like this. I'm glad Michael spoke up. I hope he sticks to his guns and don't let Jerry try to backdoor with something slick. That's what you hired David Mugaleva for. And that's a small consolation to have to give up 3% to not run a file. And you're like, damn, they taking all my money.

I spoke out, conduct detrimental to the team. Oh, I wasn't this, I wasn't that. Nah, nah, y'all ain't getting none of this back. Yeah. It's a rough game. It's a tough game, but you really find out how owners feel about you when it comes to negotiations. As a player,

you do not want to be in that room when it's time to negotiate because you will walk out pissed off. Also, this is how you really feel? After all I've done? Now, based on my production and what I'm going to do in the foreseeable future, this is how you really feel about me.

Sometimes, players, I mean, ask your agent. Tell your agent to tell you the truth on what they really say when it's time to negotiate. But you'll be mad as hell. No, I don't want to know. Let's just keep it like that. I'm going to pretend that they love everything about me. And you make sure you tell them I love everything about them. But you and I both know.

But here's the thing. My question is, why didn't you work directly with Dak? Todd France is his agent. Why did you not try to circumvent Todd France? Why didn't you try to circumvent? I don't know who Tony Romo's agent was or CD's agent. Why didn't you try to circumvent them? Because you know CD don't play that. You have to

understand. It's all about knowing your personnel. Understand your personnel. Who's one of the most voiceless cowboy players out there? Micah. Dak don't play that. CD don't play that. It's not in their character to even play that game. I'm not playing that

game with you. Well, we already know how Dak is always how is always has been posed in so that's why he has some type of way because that has never allowed jerry to get close to him like he does jerry has his faves yeah and he always tries to get to get close to him he was very close with tony romo he was very close with a lot of players he worked hand in hand with him and that worked for him but dak has never allowed him to get close dak has always been hey I'm the quarterback I'm gonna do my job to the best of my ability but I am not going to be strictly business and he's been the same since day one yes and I don't have I I mean personally I don't have a problem with that I think that's how it should be. Because here's

the thing. Dak knows deep down inside, Jerry wanted to put Tony Romo back in there. But he was the only one that wanted that. Jason Garrett didn't want that. Steven Jones didn't want that. So that's all though. I don't want all these games.

And you still want to bring this man back and put him in there? Huh. Interesting. Okay. No, I'm good. I'm good. Look, I know David Muguleta.

Met him a couple of times. Talked to him. Good cat. Smart cat. Brother. Has done a great job. If I'm not mistaken, I think he got C.J. Stroud. He got a lot of big-time players.

Athletes first. It's a big-time company, a lot of brothers. And they do an outstanding job. You know, Clutch, Nicole Lynn in that group, Rocky Arsenault in that group, his his firm they do a great job i like that i like when um guys get people that they trust that they believe in um and that's what it comes down to because when you deal with this it's all about trust don't you a lot of people try to make about some color or whatever the case may be that's fine i ain't gotta do it when it

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why you're being paid, and once you're done playing. You got to have agents or people you trust in your corner that are there for right reasons. Not just why you're playing. Not just because it's beneficial. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And you got to have somebody that's going to be there in your corner when you're done. Yeah. I've had the same agent for 29 years.

I've got Marvin Dimoff in 96, and he's been my agent ever since. Yeah. And I don't do anything. I run it by him because he's going to be, he's going to shoot me straight. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, he won't, I know this man wants what's best for me. Yeah. David Muguleta has jordan love cj stroud as we mentioned we got he got jordan ramp to

jordan ramsey deshaun watson that fully guaranteed 230 million he also has jalen ramsey so he's done an unbelievable job protecting his clients getting them the uh ramsey was the highest paid at one point in time um deshaunun Watson had the most guaranteed money for a long, long time. He was the highest paid. Justin Fields just got two years $40 million based on five starts, what, six starts

last year, don't you know? Jordan Love is going to get a... I think Jordan Love already got paid. CJ Stroud is about to get a boatload of money after this year. If he can replicate what he did his rookie year. Yeah. He going to get it. He going to get a big, he going to get a, a, a.

Hold on. T. Higgins with David Mugaleva too, but no, he's rock. He went rock. He and T. Higgins went with Rocky Arsenault. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He just went rock. Because he was with David Mugaleva. Uh-huh. And see, David Mugaleva don't cut no deals. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He just went with Rocky. Because he was with David Muguleta.

Uh-huh. And see, David Muguleta don't cut no deals. Oh, no. He ain't playing no games. David Muguleta don't cut no deals. And that's why, and Cincinnati say, if you want to stay here,

which, at the end of the day, the agent's going to do what you want him to do because he works at the behest of you. Excuse me. Okay. He works at the behest of you. Yes,. He works at the behest of you. Yes, sir.

David Muguleta, like, bro, what we try to do, and see, this is what baseball players do. They're not going to give you no deal, Ocho, because they're setting the market

for the guy that comes behind them. Yeah. That's why Shohei Ohtani got 700. Juan Soto says, I got to go higher. I got to keep bumping it up. I got to keep climbing. Ain't no

discounts. He wanted to stay in Cincinnati. He knew in order for him to stay, he would have to take a discount. David Muguleta understands that I'm actually trying to increase the market because I'm not, yes, I want to do

what's in the best interest of my client, but I also want this market to keep rising. Right. Because I'm not, yes, I want to do what's in the best interest of my client, but I also want this market to keep rising. Right. So you think, Dave was probably suggesting that he leave, huh? Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Because he knows he would have got more than a one-year deal

and he'd have got probably two to three years fully guaranteed. Right. Because what about the other receivers? Because you got to think about what about the other receivers because you got to think about what about the other receivers because now other receivers come out they're gonna be looking like well hold on you just saw t higgins what he got he was free too yeah and so they try to they try to put you against each other because that's what you left that's the chip uh-huh i don't know

who the next big time receiver coming out out, but I'm looking at Chase. Yeah. I'm looking at what Chase got. I'm not looking at, oh, well, you see what T did, or I don't care what T did. That's on T. I saw what Chase got, and I'm up, and I want to get it. It's probably going to be Puka.

I think it's going to be Puka, Ocho. Because Puka was a late-round pick. He's going into his third year. They're going to do something with him after this year. After this year? This early? Yeah. Hey, listen.

If the Rams are smart, they'll do it this early. He won't get as much as Chase, though. But here's the thing, though, Ocho. He's going into his third year. As a late round draft pick, he only got three years. He only got three or four years. Three? Oh.

Matter of fact, you know what they might do too? What's that? The middle of the season, if he having one hell of a season and putting the numbers up and going crazy, they might catch him in the middle of the season. No, I'm good. I don't do the middle of the season. I like to stay focused. Yeah, I know what you mean.

I know what you mean. You know what I'm saying, don't you? I like to stay focused. And you're talking about money. I can't stay focused, don't you? I bet. You know what? They're going to let you focus I like to stay focused. Talking about money, I can't stay focused, Don't Joe. You know what? They're going to let you focus. That's why they just talk to your agent.

They let the agent take care of all that. But if you're balling out, which I'm assuming he's probably going to do, I'm not sure how many catches or production that Devontae Adams will probably take away from him. But, man, they finna go bananas. And I hope they use Devontae Adams the right way. I hope they don't do what they did to goddamn Cooper Cup, understanding how they worked them out of the offense

and putting Puka Nakua in the positions that Cooper Cup used to be in. Well, what happened was, you remember the first year Puka got there, Cooper got hurt. Yeah. The second year, he missed some time also. Yes, sir. So now they say, well, we got concerns about your durability and availability. The best ability you have is availability.

Availability, yeah. And that's what I tell guys. They will move. I told you, you've never been injured, but you saw, see, you've been in locker rooms where guys have been injured, and it's almost like that guy ain't even on the team. One thing about it, think about the NFL in team and um one thing about it think about

the nfl in general people in the chat think about the nfl in general and how great some of the players are or were just in the history of the game in general and you always think about it and everybody's replaceable i sometimes in life i hear people say oh i'm not replaceable you're never gonna find nothing like me can you imagine there's always that'll be they won't they won't try that'll be they won't be looking hey man there's always something else out there always and this is when it comes to receivers they might not be as great as jerry rice they might not be great as randy moss they might not be great as terrell owens but there's always someone out there that will be able to fill the production, maybe not as much, but they get the job done.

Team, look, they're going to tolerate behavior until they can replace behavior. Yeah, absolutely. Bro, they traded Jerry. They cut Jerry Rice. They traded Joe Montana. They cut Emmitt Smith. Yeah. Hold on.

Bruce Smith. Do I need any other greats? All the greats. All of them. Very few have been able to finish their career where they want to. Very few have been able to do it. Larry Fitzgerald did. They let Tom Brady walk.

I don't even say no more. They let Tom Brady walk. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Hey, that's the prime example of it. Nobody's been able to do what Larry Fingero was able to do. No. Having a luscious career, great career, and one place.

And always be in good stance with management and ownership. Yeah. Never tell them that it happened. Yeah. You see Dan Marino play at one place for 16, 17 ownership. Yeah. Don't tell me that it happened. Yeah. You see Dan Marino play at one place for 16, 17 years. John played at one place for 16 years. That doesn't happen. That doesn't happen often.

You see Peyton Manning. They cut Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning. I was just going to say, you took it right out of my mouth. Yeah. Some of the greats. So that's what theys so that's what they that's what they do

that's what they do so Brian Schaumheimer oddly dropped some inside information about Kyler Murray today he said the former Cardinals

offensive line coach and new Dallas offensive COC Clay Adams told him Kyler Murray never really wanted to run

Ocho what do you make of this I like it I like it. I like it. I think for dual threat quarterbacks, that as people that are scouts or in positions of power, they always view dual threat quarterbacks as running quarterbacks.

I know Kyler Murray's short. I know he's dynamic with his legs and extending plays and doing things off script. But I want to be known as a first throw quarterback. And how do you do that? By extending plays, by being able to go through the process of reading from one, two, and three, or maybe four sometimes,

and only running when you have to. And I'm sure maybe that's a conversation he had with him, which is why he came out and said it. If that's something Kyle is working on and wanting to be a throw-first quarterback, then so be it. Look what Lamar Jackson has been able to do. Look how he has come and gotten so much better at, you know what,

I'm going to be a throw of the ball first, and I'm only going to run the ball unless I have to, as opposed to looking at my first read, my first read not there, I'm taking off with the ball. I think that for me, Ocho, what makes Kyler Murray scary is his legs. Don't nobody fear Kyler Murray arms. They just don't.

But you know what? I like that you said that, but he can't throw the ball, though. He can. His anticipatory skills are very good. And then you got Marvis and Harrison Jr. You don't have to run the ball no more. Yeah, he does Marvin Harrison Jr. You don't have to run the ball no more.

Yeah, he does, Ochoa. You don't have to. Because here's the thing is that he's an undersized quarterback and what makes him dynamic and what makes him lethal is his legs.

Legs, yeah. So it's the same thing that RG3 ran into. RG3 is like, I don't want to run. His dad went in there and said, I want him to be

Peyton Manning. I want him to be Tom Brady. Right. When he was never that. Right. I mean, mean oh joe is like all of a sudden oh joe you vegan hold on what can you let me build up to it hell i've been eating meat for 25 years and all of a sudden you tell me now i gotta cut out chicken i gotta cut out fish i gotta cut out seafood i gotta cut out i gotta cut out all animal protein and go straight strictly plantbased. Can I get some time to build up to that? I'm not saying that eventually you can't build up to that,

but I'm saying to do this cold turkey, damn. No, it's a process. It's a process. Hey, listen, everything you just named right there, everything you just named is that you have to exclude that from your diet if you become vegan? Yeah. Oh, my God. name is that you have to exclude that from your diet if you become vegan yeah oh my god hey um i'm not trying to be funny and no disrespect to anybody that's in the chat that might be vegan or that might see this clip but that sounds miserable and you gotta stop eating hoo-ha too

that stop playing i ain't got nothing to do with it ain Ain't it me? I mean, yeah, depending on who it is, yeah. No more booty holes either. No more rump roasts. You've been eating rump roasts for a long time. Done, that's done. Dead, D-O-A, dead on arrival. Hey, that's funny. I don't see how people do it.

And I mean, no disrespect. I don't know how people do it. And I mean, no disrespect. I don't know how people, you know, choose to be vegan. I don't know how people choose to be a vegetarian. And I don't know how people choose to be. What else? What's the other one? What do you mean? Pescatarian?

I said, I said, vegetarian. That's what I said. Pescatarian. Okay. Yeah, that. What's another one? You got vegetarian, vegan. Vegetarian is like sometimes you can eat, like maybe you eat fish or maybe eggs.

Vegan is that it's all plant-based. How do you live like that? I'm just saying in general. You got to give a whole joke. No toes. You can't look on no toes. No elbows. No, no, no.

I didn't say it. There's nobody in this chat or anyone that is vegan, vegetarian, or what's the last one? Vegetarian, vegan, or pescatarian. Yeah, there's no way you can tell me you're actually happy with your choice in diet. And you got to be miserable. You can't. It's impossible. The food is too good.

It's too good. It is. Uh-oh, your boy, you ain't laugh long, huh? At what? At the vegan. No, I wouldn't even try. There? And what? As a vegan. No, I wouldn't even try. There's no point. There's no point.

There's no point. I'm not sure what people are trying to do. Maybe I want to be a little bit more healthy or whatever it is. You can work on your diet. Maybe it's for health reasons. I just can't do it. Eat what you want to eat. You know, anything, whatever's going to happen to you is going to happen to you no matter what.

No matter what you do. Yeah, you're right about that. But I think the thing is that once Kyler got injured, and he looked at it, I got injured running the football. I didn't get injured in the pocket. I got injured running the football. So maybe that played a role into it. Look, I don't think any quarterback wants to run.

I want to put the ball in somebody else's hand. I want to do as little work as possible. Right. But I think the thing that makes him so dynamic the same thing that makes lamar now lamar doesn't run nearly he excuse me lamar runs as a last resort yes not as a first option right and his game is elevated but if you see the process and the steps that it took for him to get to where he is now now people upset run Lamar damn yeah yeah he said his mom he said his mom told him boy run the damn ball get your ass out of the pocket and run do what you do best yeah I like I like the fact that he's evolved and become a pocket passer first matter of fact he ain't go through his progression go from one to three and come all the way back to one before he take off.

Yes. If he runs the ball, he's running out of the line. Now, hey, I would never play him two-man because the last thing I want him to do is just let him take off on my hand. No. Man, please. I gotta have eyes on him. Me personally, I gotta have eyes on him.

Listen, you play two-man and have a spy? Yeah. But who's that spy going to be? Xavier Worthy? You ain't been to catch him. Hey, that's right. Yeah, I can only think of two linebackers. I can only think of two middle linebackers in the NFL that would be successful at spying Lamar Jackson based on their athletic ability and then being able to play laterally.

Fred Warner, I'm not saying he's fast enough. I'm saying his ability to close the gap and be able to make tackles without getting shook. Franklin, Franklin, Zaire Franklin. Zaire Franklin? No, hell no. Fred Warner, stay with me now. And there's one more that's very small and athletic. He can move sideline to sideline.

Golly. It was right on the tip of my tongue. Fred Warner, Zaire Franklin. God, I just had it. I just had it. It was right there. He's small and undersized, but, boy, he can go. It's going to come to me.

It's going to come to me. It's going to come to me. Hey, man. Lamar will make it. Oh, Milano. Milano. That's what I was trying to think of. Man, Milano from Buffalo? Yeah, I was trying to think about Milano.

Before the injury. Yeah. What are we talking about? Sideline to sideline and coming downhill? Man. He better be, what you call him? He better have some body leg because Lamar is going to make somebody tear some stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because the last thing, man, he's going to make somebody tear some stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the last thing, he's going to start and stop and I'm out. Yeah. But, hey, Kyler never really wanted to run. I don't think most quarterbacks want to run. Nah. And shit, them legs hurt. Them legs hurt.

And you're not, they're not used to taking legs like, you know, flush shots. flush shots right right so that's the last thing that you want to do but uh glad he shared that with the current feeling is that neither the brown nor the giants will select the quarterback at two and three for alice chapter is this a mistake okay let me go through the draft draft selection t. Tennessee picks one. Cleveland picks two. Giants pick three. Patriots pick four.

Jags pick five. Raiders pick six. Jets, seven. Carolina, eight. Saints, nine. Bears, ten. So check this out, Ocho. The Bears don't need a quarterback.

Carolina doesn't need a quarterback. Jacksonville doesn't need a quarterback. Jacksonville doesn't need a quarterback. New England doesn't need a quarterback. So that's four of the top ten. Tennessee needs a quarterback. Cleveland needs a quarterback. Giants need a quarterback. Raiders need a quarterback.

And the Saints, particularly, maybe the Saints. So Tennessee seems like Tennessee is going to take a quarterback. Now, if what Shep is saying is true, Cleveland is going to

probably take Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter. Whoever doesn't take the one, the other team

is going to take the other. Yeah. That's what I feel, Ochoa. Now, I could be wrong, but that's what I feel. Now, you get New England not taking a quarterback. They just drafted Drake May last year. Jacksonville's not taking a quarterback because they got

a lot of money tied up in Trevor Lawrence. The next time a quarterback, Vegas, Jets, Wait, wait, wait. Remember, Geno just signed a three-year deal. Oh, you're right, you're right. Nope. So they're not going there.

So basically, the Jets or New Orleans? I mean, the Jets, okay. Well, listen, this is a proven season, too, for Justin Fields. Yeah. It's only a two-year deal. Huh? It's only a two-year deal. Yeah, only a two-year deal.

But he can play lights out this year, and they can extend him. He can play lights out this year, out this world. So, listen, everything is in his hands. I'm hoping, I'm hoping, I'm hoping, I'm praying, because he deserves everything he's been through. If anybody deserves that bag, it's Justin Fields. Yeah. He got to prove it.

I think that's all smoke and mirrors. Could possibly be. I think that's all smoke and mirrors. Now you know good and goddamn well you need a quarterback. The Giants need a quarterback. You haven't had any success since Eli Manning left. Cleveland Browns. We. Yeah, I'm saying we.

I'm only saying we because I love my Browns fans. Y'all ain't had a quarterback since... When's the last quarterback they had? Who, the Browns? Yes. Oh, the Browns, they had a good quarterback. I mean, Derrick Anderson had that one good year. Yeah, he went to Pro Bowl. I remember that.

You remember, yeah, I think Derrick Anderson and Braylon Edwards? Ooh, that was on fire. It was on fire. And both of them dropped off a cliff. Yeah. Went to Pro Bowl that year. Yeah. So for me, I mean, you got to go back probably when they had got consistent play.

That was way back then. When they had Brian Sight, the cardiac kids, and I think Brian Sight won the MVP, but that was way back. You probably was two or three when Brian Sight was doing that. But but that was way, you probably was two or three when Brian Sight was doing that, but they haven't, if you go back and look at it, nobody's had more quarterbacks

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nickname 007 Isaiah Bone. Yes, sir. Thank you for having me. Thanks for coming on. What's going on? You good? Yes, sir. I'm doing amazing. How about yourself? Yes, sir. Come on, man. It's me. Don't do me like that, man. I'm not

old, man. Where you at right now? Right now, I'm in Dallas. Okay. Let me ask you this. You started your career at Alabama. You had some success at Alabama. Why did you feel like going with SART to the University of Texas

was the best move for Isaiah Bond? Well, with Nick Saban's departure from the school, I felt like it was a great business move for my career to head to another school. I mean, the first day I was down there in Austin, I loved everything about it. I actually committed my first night there. We kind of carried our relationship over from high school. So it all just felt organic. It felt like it was love and it was the best decision.

Had Coach Saban not left Alabama, would you have stayed, or you was looking for a change of scenery regardless? If Nick Saban would have stayed, I would have stayed, too. Okay. For sure. We got the draft coming up. You had a hell of a year in college. You ran official 4-3-9 in the NFL Combine.

Were you happy with that time based on some of the things you said previously? Were you happy with the time? And do you think you could have ran faster? I'm always on the manifest of greatness.

Yes, sir. That's the type of guy I am and how I hold myself. Yeah. I mean, for sure, I definitely wasn't happy. I mean, there's always room for improvement.

Oh, absolutely. I was ever perfect. But like I said, that gives me motivation to get back to work, get back to the lab, and just get 1% better. I mean, for sure, I think I could have ran faster. I ran a little faster at Pro Day. Right. I like what you just said. It gave me time to work and get back in the lab.

Before you even go into the draft, before you even get to the NFL, what do you think the things you need to work on in your game to kind of hone your craft and be one of the best at the position in which you do? I believe in myself to the fullest, full of capabilities. I think my talents,

I mean, I put a lot of my very hard work in. I even work out sometimes three times a day, so I just trust my skill sets. And I always tell myself, if I can get 1% better every single day, I'm definitely going to be in great hands. Yeah. You mentioned that you wanted to break Xavier Worthy,

who was a former teammate of yours. You wanted to break his 40 time. I'm reading here that you were a state high school sprint champ. Are you from Texas? No, so I'm from Atlanta, Georgia. I went to Buford High School. Oh. I went to Buford high school. Oh, you went to Buford.

Okay. Yes, sir. And you want to, you want to, so what was your time in a hundred meters? Uh, I ran 10,

four, my junior year. And I went three, two hundred. Oh, you, you 10, four.

Yeah. 10, four and a hundred. But you were a lot, but hold on. How, how much did you weigh? Were you a little smaller then than you are now? Uh now uh yeah i was definitely a little smaller in high school i think i came out like 165

ish i was like mid 160s okay how much you weigh now uh right now i'm like 188 i'm like i'm like high 180s oh man you and you thought you was gonna run four or two something and 180 you know you know speed natural it's genetic uh so it doesn't really matter the weight. Yeah, well, us fast folk, it don't matter. I ran 4.3. I was 220. But you do understand, like, there's a reason why track athletes, if you

look at them, they're really small. Yeah, yeah. They're really light. They're like, look at Noah Lyons. And you see Noah Lyons like 158, 160. And he's like, is he that little? Yeah. Chris Tacoma, they tiny.

They look all buffed up. Don't let that TV do that. Your teammate Matt Golden ran 429. So you go to your pro day, were you looking to run something where you thought you could run sub 4-3 at your own pro day uh yes sir 100 uh i mean that was definitely the goal um coming into the pro day to run a 4-2 um but like i said i'm happy with the low 4-3 um i think any improvement is definitely good progress uh definitely step in that direction um for sure i want to ask you this

now i'm reading here now what's been going, been floating around. You've been given a selfish label by a few people. Some predicting you might slip in the draft. Where did that come from? I don't know where it came from. But I think I played under the goat, Nick Saban. I think people knows how he carries himself and how he disciplines his athletes. And with getting quality time as a freshman,

even starting year two, that's not just given to you for strength. So I think, I don't know where it's coming from, but that really goes to show this type of guy I am and how I carry myself. To come in 17 years old to a program like that and just to carry myself with higher character, getting extra reps and really just proving myself. Yeah.

But you have heard that though too, right? That's how they play games though. They play games internally like that in hopes that he fall to them. They think they slick. It's all a game. But listen, you're a high character guy. You know, I did my homework on you. I've watched you on the field. I mean, I've watched you on the field. So I knew what you can do there. That's what all a game. But listen, you're a high-character guy. I did my homework on you. I watched you on the field, so I knew what you can do there.

That's what all matters anyway. That's what it's all about, and that's all they actually do care about. What's the biggest piece of advice you received before you got into the draft so far this year? Because there's always someone that you—everybody can talk to you, but normally it goes in one ear and out the other. So the person that you value most, based on what they have to say, what's the best piece of advice they've given you so far before draft? I would just, I could probably say definitely my mom.

I can't even really say before the draft, but really it's my whole life. My mom always just told me just to never quit. She says we always, the Bond family, we don't raise quitters. So I think kind of just taking that with me through my lifetime and kind of incorporating it with different situations definitely helps me.

I like it. You guys played, you played Texas in the semifinals for the eventual, you know, and they ended up winning. You played Ohio State and you lost to them, but that game was really nip nip and tuck. Do you look back on that game?

Have you thought or have you re-watched the tape and said, man, we should have won that game. If we do this, we make this play here, we make that play there, because I thought you had some opportunities out there to really put some fear in them, and I thought you could have taken the lead late in that ball game, but the ball just didn't bounce your way. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, we had a very, very talented team this year. I mean, even coming in. Coming from the team I came from, coming here, I mean, I told the guys, I mean, we have a very special team. You know, you're a good football player, a great football player. You can tell what other guys kind of carry those same characteristics that you carry. So I knew that we had a very great team.

And, I mean, it goes back to the point, I mean, for sure. I don't think we should have definitely lost that game but that's life sometimes it don't always go your way for sure there's definitely some clips or plays that we probably could have ran better and stuff like that but like I said that's in the past

for sure there's nothing I can really do to change it but for sure I think we should have won that game We've seen reports that had you visit set up due to Rams, Buffalo. Where have you gone on your pre-draft?

Have you gone to many teams? How many have you gone? How many pre-draft visits have you taken thus far? I haven't taken any. And I have seven set up. I got seven 30-30 visits set up. Did fly you first class?

Go ahead, Ocho. Hey, I got, listen, playing receiver. Obviously, I was always a student of the game. I'm sure you're a student of the game as well, especially based on the collegiate program that you've been a part of. You're very fast.

Going to the next level, everybody's very fast. Now, the other aspects of your game when it comes to playing the receiver position, are there any weaknesses that you want to work on that can help you become more of a complete receiver? Now, as much as you believe in yourself, as much as you believe you're good at what you do, once you get to the next level, there's still going to be a learning curve against those that have already been doing it. Do you know what you need to work on as far as your craft and bettering your game? Yes, sir, for sure.

I think I need to definitely work on my blocking. It's not anything talent-wise. More like an effort thing, for sure. I feel like I'm getting better in that area because it's definitely part of the game, part of having plays in the game, the run game. So I think I've definitely gotten to the weight room

in the offseason kind of to get a little bigger. But like I said, it's more effort. Just put more effort into this blocking game. You know, getting to the right side, make sure I'm on the right leverage side of the point. Two little things, little details. This is what an anonymous scout said. This is his exact quote, Isaiah.

I'm not ad-libbing and I'm not adding and I'm not taking anything out. This is what he said. Prototypical, what you would think of in a wide receiver. Just generic, boilerplate, selfish, diva, wide receiver. What is your response? You sound like you're great to me. My response to that is, I mean, this season I did suffer. A high ankle sprain, grade three.

And, I mean, when others told me to sit it down and shut it down, I chose to stay and fight with my teammates and win a national championship. Hey, you just heard the comparison. You heard everything you just said? Yes. All the receivers,

all the great ones? All the great ones? Yeah. Just like that. You got to be a little selfish. You got to be a little selfish. Yeah. Everybody got a little diva in them.

I'm not even sure where the word came from, but all the great ones had that same diva-ish in them. You know, in order to be great, you just, you got to be. You got to be.

Man, don't pay none of that stuff no mind, man. Keep your head down. Keep doing what you're doing. Boy, you're going to be all right. Nah.

Hey, listen, one thing about it, I don't care where you go in the draft. It ain't where you go, it's what you do once you get there. Yep, 100%.

That's it. Let me ask, who do you pattern your game? When you study the wide receivers, and I'm sure you have a favorite, and I don't know who that favorite is, but who do you pattern your game after? Ocho. Who I model my game after? That's a good one. I wouldn't really say I model my game after anybody.

I know some receivers I like to watch. Who would you say, if I look at this receiver, I think my game most resemble his? Most resemble probably Jalen Waddle. But I'd say I watch more of Jared Jr., though, just because of the simple fact of, I mean, I always had that, you know, elite speed. So I know if I was able to transition my weight in between routes,

that I would be definitely very tough to guard. I like that. I agree. I agree with that. Let me ask you this. Give me your Mount Rushmore. You're a receiver. You studied receiving.

You played the receiving position. Give me your four greatest receivers in the history of the NFL. Four greatest receivers. Number one is definitely Tyreek Hill. I go Tyreek Hill. Odell Beckham Jr., they're definitely up there

in my top two. I'd probably say three. I go... I go Mike Evans. This is the longevity. Consistency. That's a good one. And number four, I go Ocho. I go Ocho. I'll put you up there. is the longevity. Consistency. That's a good one. And number four, I'll go Ocho.

I'll go Ocho. I'll put you up there. Hey, listen. Greg, listen. I'm the greatest rock runner of all time. I don't blame you. You can't go wrong. Anybody want to argue the fact, all they got to do is turn the tape on.

What are we talking about? What are we talking about? The greatest feet ever. Yeah. What DBs are you most looking forward to facing? I'm looking forward to facing all the top dbs um i mean i've been facing top talent my whole life that's the reason i went to beaufort that's the reason i went to alabama that's the reason i went to texas uh i'm just a competitive guy um and i just always just love going against the best i feel like that betters me

and i just love this uh going in the right direction um I think anyone that could I could have chose uh you know not to maybe go to a place where they say you're gonna start um but I like I like the challenge I like the the progress it gets um to get to the top well Isaiah thank you for joining us good luck in the upcoming draft like what you'll say it's not it's not where where you go is what you do is not high high The right destination is more important than getting drafted high. Go to some place that's going to put you in a situation where you can succeed. But once you get there, it's all on you. There's no excuse where this guy don't like me.

It ain't about like. They want to win. And if you can help them win, they like you. If you can't, they don't. It's a lot like college. You went to a top-tier program. Coach Saban loved the guys that could help him win. And the guys that couldn't, he didn't have a whole lot of use for.

It's like that NFL, but worse because they're paying you lots of money to get the job done. So good luck on your college. Congratulations on your college career. Good luck. Now, it's not over once you get there. Your journey just starts. 100%. Now, you wanted to get to this place. You're there now. What are you going to do

once you arrive at this place? It's all on you. Best of luck. Congratulations and we'll talk to you down the road. Yes, sir. Thank you for having me. Thank you, bro. Yup, there we go. Nah, stay away from that. Arjo,

Chief fans points out the NFL changed the rules the last two times the Buffalo Bills lost. Buffalo did not win the overtime game. Hey, my homeboy got the ball first. They never saw the ball. Buffalo didn't get a first down. Now we see

the road game. Yeah. Is it coincidental, you think? Is it coincidental? No. Too many coincidence is not a coincidence. Ah. I like that.

I like that. And now they be taking a step further. So now moving forward, they have adopted the college rule. Every team possesses the ball. Now they did take, what is it, 10 minutes? I think 10 minutes on the clock. I think, but that was the old overtime rule, right? Or did they increase it since everybody's getting the ball?

I'm not sure. But a lot of teams, because it used to be, okay, overtime was sudden death. First team, you score, you kick a field goal, boom, you win the game. Then they say, nah, if you kick a field goal, the other team get a chance to score a touchdown to beat you.

That's the score, yeah. And so now, it doesn't matter what happens. You could score a touchdown touchdown but the other team will get an opportunity to possess the football do you like that rule on joe i love it i think it's fair i think it's fair instead of putting the onus on the defense now we have no choice but to make a stop if they get the ball first and win the coin toss allow our team allow our offense to get the ball as well if you guys happen to get a field goal or get a touchdown give us a chance give us a chance and put your defense. If you guys happen to get a field goal or get a touchdown, give us a chance.

Give us a chance to put your defense out there and force them to make a stop just like we had to make a stop, but we couldn't do it. I think it evens the playing field and makes the game fair as opposed to most of the time with a team like Kansas City winning the coin toss in overtime. If they win the coin toss, man, listen, nine times out of ten, they're going to get some points. If it ain't seven, it's going to be three. So you like the rule both teams possess in the football?

I like it. I like both teams getting the opportunity, y'all. I like it. My question is, yeah, okay, yeah, so because in college you score. Now you place the ball on the 25. NFL you score, you're going to have to kick it off because, hey, somebody might run the kickoff back.

The thing is, Ochoa, is that the rule, especially if... I would always defer because that way it gives me an opportunity to know because fourth down, I'm live. Yeah. You see what happened with the 49ers? I don't know why they took the ball first.

I think they were under the impression that they scored first. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They wanted to put the pressure on the Chiefs. Yeah, you put the pressure on the Chiefs by scoring a field goal. Now they know what they got to do. They're going to keep going for it on fourth down. Right, right, right.

They're getting extra down every time. No, I want to know what I need. I want to know what I need. I want to know what I need in order to beat you. Because I know, hey, okay, I get a field goal, boom, boom, boom. I know, I'm cool. I like

the thought process, Shanahan, especially in a situation like that. You think about Super Bowl, it's a pressure situation. How can we put the Chiefs back against the wall? You know what? We're going to take the ball first. Not with score three. Exactly.

We're not scoring three. I'm going to hope that Brock Purdy and those boys can go down there and get a seven. If you can get a seven, it puts all the Chiefs. The game would have been over. Huh? The game would have been over. Oh, that's right. I'm tripping.

I'm tripping. Yeah, you're right. I'm thinking about the rule. Yeah, they changed the rule this year. Now, both teams will get an opportunity to possess it like the old college did. And so now both teams score. If there's time, I think in this situation, Ochoa, I honestly think there are probably going to be more ties.

Whoa, whoa. Ties? be more ties. Whoa, whoa. Ties? Mm-hmm. Nah. Yeah. Because it's not like a playoff game, Ocho. If you're tied in overtime,

you keep going. If you're tied after the overtime, it's over. Well, it depends on how many overtimes we've been talking about. It doesn't matter if you don't give them one.

Oh, that's... Okay, I don't like that. That's boring. Now, that I don't like. In that's that's boring now that i don't like in the playoffs you know somebody got his global cup somebody got advanced but in the regular season it's not like that okay so you know that's how that's basically that's basically like soccer in the regular season game in one one that's it unless it's some type of championship or tournament where someone has to advance to the next round yeah okay i don't like that not you don't like no no i'm thinking you want somebody you want somebody to play until they win

exactly and we don't need no draws we don't know you want you want somebody bad you want the jokers to be out there now what if they gotta play on thursday night they go three overtimes see oh okay that's right but also think about think about the gambling think about the gambling yeah now you add that now you add the dynamic and aspect of, you know what? If you get the draw right, or two teams draw, you will lose. Because when you either lose or you will push. Because here's the thing. Normally, the spread is always a half.

Yeah. Because, you know, your team can't score two and a half. They can't get three and a half. Right. See, that messes everything up. It does. Thank up. It does. Thank you. It does.

Hmm. So, Vegas is not too happy about this, but hey. But it's going to be interesting. I'm interested to see. Hey, Buffalo, y'all got to build the right side of history. Hey, y'all had a lead with 13. Listen, Ocho, you deserve to lose., y'all had a lead with 13, listen, Ocho,

you deserve to lose. Yeah. If you have a lead with 13 seconds, and you allow a team to get in field goal range, you deserve to lose. Yeah. You earned that loss.

That they did. Why would you, you leave the open side of the field open like that, Ocho? And not, you got to press somebody. Mm-hmm.

And, you see Travis Kelsey and my homeboy talking. You're like, oh, hold on. Ain't nobody want to cover Trav? So y'all just go give him a free run. This land off the ball, just scot-free. All he does is belly. He puts it on him and now he runs now and he gets that book call timeout in Buckner.

Bye-bye. Yeah, but that's exactly what happened. Now you get the overtime. You don't get the – now you've already let them get a rhythm, Ocho. Because remember, they just went and got field goal range in 13 seconds. You lose the coin toss. They're in a rhythm. And you see Mahomes go pathetic.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Right down the field and it's over so you know a part of me does like it because you know both teams get to possess the ball but damn

you know they're playing the defensive guy Miles Garrett making 40 million they got a DP making $30 million. Damn, stop them. I ain't saying you got to keep them out of the end zone, but just keep them to a field goal. Yeah. You can bend, but don't break.

Right. So that's it. The Chiefs fans, this is what the Chiefs will say, but damn, every time Buffalo, they want Buffalo to get to the Super Bowl so bad, they change the rules to help them. Yeah. And guess what?

They're going to find another way to lose. You can't keep running the same play. Yeah. Me personally, Ocho, and I've seen it. I don't think he got it. I don't think he got the first down. We know he didn't get the first down. They done showed every different camera angle.

He would have gotten the first down, obviously, if he wasn't in that scrum, and he could have reached the ball out. Yes, but he understood. Reaching the ball out, they knock it out. You don't get the same protection as the goal line because the field of play is not the goal line. You can't do this like, oh, I reached it over the first down marker. Somebody knocking out your hand, and then they whoop, gone. And that's the only reason he didn't get the first down

because he had to keep the ball against his body protected. His body. Yeah. The Volume. get the first down because he had to keep the ball against his body protected his body yeah the volume i'm michael casson founder and ceo of 3c ventures and your guide on good company the podcast where i sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next in this episode i'm joined by anjali su CEO ofi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core.

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