Nightcap - Nightcap Hour 1: Joe Flacco GETS SHIPPED to the BENGALS + Unc & Ocho CALL the BROWNS a CIRCUS + WORLD CHAMP Anna Hall Joins

Episode Date: October 9, 2025

Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Cincinnati Bengals trading for Joe Flacco to help their QB situation, the Cleveland Browns head coach Stefanski still won’t commit to Shedeur as QB 2, and World Champion Anna Hall joins the show and much more! 4:30 - Joe Flacco to Bengals23:28 - Kevin Stefanski noncommittal on backup qb30:06 - Anna Hall joins the show52:15 - BREAKING NEWS: Jags, Browns just made a major trade (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and Texas wide receiver, Xavier Hutchinson, joining us in a bit. But first, Ocho, Joe Flacco! Yeah! He'll start ahead. But not for the Cleveland Browns,

for your Cincinnati Bengals. He will start Sunday at Green Bay. Bengals head coach Zach Taylor announced, Cincinnati successfully completed a rare intra-division trade Tuesday. They sent a 20-20, fifth round draft pick to the Browns in exchange for Flacko and a 2026 sixth round draft pick. This is how rare it's said.

I think in this century, only twice as it happened. The New England Patriots traded Drew Bledsoe to the Buffalo Bills. The Philadelphia Eagles traded Donovan McNabb to the Washington. They were not the commanders at the time. You know what they were. But he got traded intra-division. So only three times as a quarterback that I can think of a trade like this. going down. Let's run down. Let's run down. What happened? Joe Flacco was traded. Ocho's guy

wasn't being able to Jake Browning was not being able to hold up to it because what was supposed to happen. Your backup is supposed to be able to keep you afloat until your starter comes back. That's what a backup is supposed to do. That didn't happen. So the Cincinnati Bing was like, look, we've got a lot of money invested in Chase and Higgins and we gave 14 more million dollars to a Trey Hendrickson. So we need to try to maximize this. We can't just give up on the season because our quarterback is not fulfilling his obligation, which is to keep us afloat to if and when Joe, excuse me, Joe Burrow came back. Doesn't look like that was happening. And so they made the move. So Cleveland said Joe Flacco and a 2026 sixth round draft pick and returned the Bengals

send them a 2026 fifth round draft pick. We're getting it right for you guys right now. Jake Browning is taking his demotion from being the starter to now be in the backup in Cincinnati. Are you first? Yeah, I'm trying to respond the right way. Obviously, I'm pissed. And if I wasn't pissed, then I shouldn't be in this locker room. And it's important to me. And, you know, I'm aware of the role I played in the offensive struggles over the last few weeks.

And, you know, but I'm also not shouldering the entire situation. And, you know, I went through yesterday, watched my throws. I tried to come up with some stuff that I want to work on, and just doing that. Okay, Joe, the thing a quarterback's supposed to do is say, look, it's on me. I did not play. Don't say I'm not going to shoulder all of the blame. We know all the blame is not on you. But in that moment, when you're in front of the camera, as the leader of that offense, you're like, look, that's on me.

I didn't play well enough to get the job done. So I understand why the Bengals made that decision. If and when my time comes back up, I'll be. be more prepared and I promise you Bengals fans, this organization, my teammates, I won't let you down. Take off for Joe. I mean, listen, obviously,

most of the time in that situation as a quarterback, being the face, being that Joe Burrow is absent, you have to take on this. You have to take all that on your shoulder because you are the quarterback because much is expected of you once you are at that position

and you are the one who handles the ball the most outside of everyone else. With that being said, you look at our team and where we are right now we're two and three we still have time to be able to salvage the season i think them continue with to stick with jake browning based on the last two performance that we've seen it would have been malpracts by the coaches i think jack taylor might be on the hot seat listen it's not funny this is a serious matter this is not a laughing matter for us the fans are impatient i'm impatient i think upstairs there are also

impatient because they've invested money in that opposite line. They invested money in Joe Burrow. They invested money in T and Jamar Chase and other, especially offensively in general. And they want to see a return on that investment. Correct. Joe Burroughs down. Joe Burroughs down. Next man up. The next man up is not playing well at all.

So we're two and three right now. What do you want to do? We want to get someone else who is a veteran presence that has won a Super Bowl. Maybe they come in and steer the ship. They keep it from sinking. similar to like the Titanic. We don't want to hit an iceberg. So can Joe Flacco come in and steer the ship

and dodge a few icebergs? Now we might sink a little bit, but we don't want to just go all the way goddamn under. We're going to see what can happen. It all starts with, number one, we have a gunslinger at the quarterback position that has a hell of a arm, but he's not mobile.

No. Jake Browning was mobile, and he was running for his life. Yes. Joe Flacko ain't getting away from anything. My offensive line, if you guys do see this, I beg of you, I implore you to raise your level of play. For us offensively to have any success moving forward, starting right now this week against that Packers defense. Ooh, Gary.

Oh, Micah. Oh, Michael. Mikea Parsons. Oh, Wyatt. Oh, my God. My Bengals's officer line, we need to set the tone. We need to set the tone. All five of you. Orlando Brown, come on, baby. You got to come to the party.

Brother Mims, you got to come to the party. Right guard, left guard, tear carris. We got to come to the party. As we go, as the officer line goes, our team goes. The game of football is one up front. It's one in the trenches. And for us to continue to compete, not only in the AFC North, but the NFL in general for the rest of the season, we have to win up front. That's what it starts with. If we went up front, everything else becomes easy offensively. I can tell, looking at the chat,

that there are not a lot of leaders out there because they're looking to obstacle to blame. If you go look at, just look at the quarterbacks and how they talk. Jalen Hurts, watch out when they lose a game, how he talks. With Brady and Manning and all these quarterbacks lose, look how they talk. It's on them. You don't talk about I don't shoulder all the blame.

You said it's on me. I need to play better and I will. I understand why the organization did what they did because I wasn't getting the job done. If and when I get another opportunity. Oh, Joe, the only reason he's on the roster is that when Joe Burr got hurt last time, he did a well enough job and say, you know what? We got a backup. If Joe goes down for three to four weeks, we got a guy that can hold.

in the road for us. Yeah, he will cut. We have a self-driving car. I've been seeing a lot of self-driving cars late. I'm like, hold on. I saw the car driving around, Ocho. I'm looking at it. I said, hold on. Wait a minute. Ain't nobody driving. Right, right, right, right. Right. And stop and somebody got out. I said, I heard people talk about it, Ocho, but that's my first time seeing one. You never saw it. Right. Right. So that's what, that's what Jake Ronnie was he was a self-driving kind of like man Joe out Jake got this we saw him against Jacksonville you remember that Thursday night game oh Joe against Jacksonville oh yeah he played well that's what gave you the confidence to say what you were saying because you had seen him in

moments like this yes rise to the occasion play extremely well I don't know what happened because here's the thing what you expectations are the number one killer yeah of dreams and hopes and aspirations because see it's easy and I tell guys all the time I say you know what the easy thing I ever did was make the Pro Bowl because nobody was expecting it now guess what happens when they build a game plan around you and the defense build a game plan to stop you wait hold on stay right there because I know you for the cook hold on now hold on let me tell yourself i got got my i got my pen and pad now i know you're from the cook go ahead now so that's what happens ocho so you see what happened expectations j jake brownie had immense expectations why

ocho because the cincinnati bingles have immense expectations right even though joe burrows down they believe man we have enough offensively to right this ship until joe gets back we got chase we got the best receiving football we believe we got another top 15 receiving football we got a guy that can run the ball. There ain't no reason for us to be scoring three points, 10 points, be down 34 to three going into the fourth quarter with the offensive weapons that we got. Right. So now the expectations and you feel that living up, see, Ocho, it was easy. Your kids, see, your kids got expectations you never had. Your dad, your dad, Ocho Cinco? Yeah, the pro bowler, the one that's on nightcap yeah now they got expectations you didn't have to deal with your mom your people

were like they might say uh uh oh you hurricane pa pa paul paul letters son but now you put so much expectations on your kids because the only people in the neighborhood knew you knew your mom knew your grandma you're a worldwide commodity they see that last name they say hold on what's your relationship to ocho that's my dad that's your dad now what you play you play what you do so what you do in sports right right what you want to be when you grow up now you see jake brown and had those expectations with that offense he was supposed he wasn't supposed to be joe burrow he was just supposed to be that self-driving car to keep it in the road just don't crash.

That's all you got to do, son. I don't even need you to win this race. Just get the car around the track and don't crash. Keep it in first gear. See, I told you it was from the cook. Because see, I already know what's going to happen when you get the four. You can either burn the clutch out and you're going to script the gear. What you're going to do, Ocho?

What are you going to do? Go on that. Hold on. I don't need you to win the race. I just need you to get the car around the track. Well, that's a bar. get it around the track that's that's a bar you don't even understand you don't even understand let me write this down hold on now what you're cooking what god damn boy you need to be a pastor

hey i don't jake i don't need jake you think we need you to be 15 and two right get us to can you can you get us the 10 and 7 get us to 10 and 7 get us to 10 and 7 10 and 7 might be might be something might be something we can look at yeah yeah the Texas one and four the Texans 1 and 4 the Titans 1 and 4 okay they got two teams in that division are playing really well you got the AMC South you got the Jags and you got the Colts he cutting up they cutting up they cutting up it's funny two of the teams are always three and four now one and two battling with a chance to win that division in the AFC South. Well, obviously, let me take that back because when Peyton Manor was there,

they dominated the AFC South. For sure, absolutely. Let me just say it as of recent. It hasn't been like that. No, no, no, no, no, no. Basically since Andrew Luck left, it hadn't been like that. Hey, listen, I'm excited. You think about what we are, too, as a Bengal fan. I'm sure we have some Bengal fans in the chat and just fans of football in the chat in general. If you think about us in Whipyard right now, we're at the bottom, we're at the bottom. there's nowhere else there's no other place we can go but up from this point on based on what we saw last week there's only one place we can go we got flacko in there

I'm optimistic I'm off the missing what choice do you have Ocho right and then and a lot of people got some people obviously I hear some bagel fans oh why we go get Joe Flacko there were no viable it's about well why didn't we get anybody who could run why we didn't get anybody mobile who's out there yeah that is mobile call Amazon you're not there quarterback exactly this ain't the same madness is real life. This is real life. What we need is not like quarterbacks or like

goddamn appletree. You just go pick one you won't to replace the next one. That is one of the reasons why it's so difficult to not only find a quarterback, but find a transcending generational talent like a Joe Burrow. You can't replace it. No. You can't

replace Lamar Jackson if he's injured. As you can see with the Ravens struggling. You can't replace a goddamn Josh Allen or Patrick Mahoney. or Justin Herbert you can but can we get can we get a Carson Wentz can he do what Carson wins is doing for the Minnesota Vikings until JJ McCarthy comes back because he's making it hard on Kevin O'Connell to put J.J. McCarthy ass back in the ball game considering how well he's actually playing since J.J. McCarthy's been out

more touchdowns fewer interceptions that's what it is now look in this situation you're not going to make it difficult for them not to put Joe Burrow ass back in there He's making far too much money, and he's a far superior quarterback to what you are. But with that being said, bro, you got to, this is how bad, this is how bad Jake Browning is. His QBR is actually higher than Joe Flacko. But when you desperate, oh, Joe, hey, somebody said, man, look, if one aspirin, if two aspirin kill, uh, clean, uh, will kill your headache, you won't have a headache and say an hour, hour. Well, and that's what Jerry Krauss, Jerry Rinesdorf asked Michael Jordan. But it's a true analogy. You know, one aspirin, take two aspirins, so patients subside in a couple of hours. Well, if I take 10, it's probably going to kill you. And he asked Mike, would you take 10? He said, well, how bad is my headache?

Ooh. A desperate person will do a desperate thing. Desperate teams do desperate things. This was a desperate move. This was a desperate move. because the actual ally the quarterback that you had starting is actually playing better than the quarterback you're replacing him with but let you see when you get desperate oh cho when you get desperate you make desperate decisions you don't think clearly you don't see clearly all i know is that my guy isn't playing well well let's grab that guy you do realize that guy got benched also yes i can see if you got a hey i want to trade for your starter no you traded for a guy that got benched can i say something yes We traded for a guy that got bench, obviously. But the guy that got bench that's coming to the Bengals has a much better supporting cast around him right now. For sure. Again, the one issue I did say, because despite coming here to a much better supporting cast, if that front four or that front five, when it is five, don't do what they need to do. They're not.

And be a wall for two seconds. Give me a wall for two seconds. That's all I need. Give me two. If you can give me two, we can do something with one and five. Well, you better keep Flacko in the shotgun because they're going to take him longer than three to getting his drop, back pedal him.

That's fine. That's fine. We can put it back in the shotgun. So we can already process. So we can already process. He can see what's in front of him right away. And it doesn't take him that much long to get that ball out. And you know one thing about Flacco, boy, he got an arm on him.

Oh, he can throw it now. He can still make all the throws. now he's going to throw chasing higgins about three now he's going to throw the other team about two now it's just a matter whether they're going to catch him or not because he's going to give everybody he's an equal opportunity employer he believes in DEI diversity equity inclusion so he's going to diversify touchdown the interception he's going to make sure it's equality and he's going to include the defense and what the hell he's doing so i'm just letting y'all know uh bingo fans you are listen you remember him when he was at the ravens you remember him when he was at cleveland you are

already know and you just got a glimpse of him earlier this year so you know who and what he is so if you think you're going to get 2012 playoff flacko that he was never ever able to replicate he could never really put a a regular season together like he could those playoff runs oh cho he had some of the great playoff runs a crazy work in the playoffs crazy work but again you think about what he had offensively with the ravens even back then with that playoff run yeah with that or go run. Hell, I can just, I can honestly say throughout the entirety of his career, he ain't never had nothing like he got working with right now, no, no, no, no, no. He had a better offensive line, but he

had had, you know, I'm trying to think, who was his running back back then. I don't even remember who his running back was. I know Anquam Bowdo was one of the receivers. 27, 27. 27. Ray Rice? Yes, I believe so. Okay. I believe so, yeah. But I think the thing is, Ocho, he's going to need time to throw. Like you said, he doesn't have mobility. He's not a guy that you can move. I mean, are you going to move the pocket with him?

You can't zone read with him. I mean, you're limited. Basically, hey, Ocho, he's a dropback. He's a prototypical 70th, 80 dropback quarterback. That's what he is. He's not like these quarterbacks that we have a day. All the quarterbacks, they are slightly mobile, some more than Oval or others. But Ocho, he is what he is in you.

Yeah, I mean, listen, even though Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson, and Joe Burrow ain't goddamn Josh Allen, but his ability to manipulate the pocket and feel pressure and being able to escape it and make throws down the field is second to none. He's really good at escaping the pocket despite not being the considered dual threat that those quarterbacks I just name are.

Listen, I'm hoping we do well in the onus. It all comes down to the officer line. But yeah. As they go, the better they play, the better we play offensively. I think they're going to try to you. You go in the draft and you try to draft an offensive line, And if somebody comes available, you know, Ocho, in free agency, you get somebody to come to your team.

You have to overpay because you're asking this man to uproot where he's been the last three, four, five years, six years, seven years, where he's gotten comfortable. He's established himself in the community. If he has a wife, his wife is interested in the community. You've got kids, they got friends and they've been in school. So you're going to have to overpay to get one of those guys or an offensive tackle or a guard or a center to come join your team. So you're going to have to overpay to get one of those guys. And then, you know, you go in the draft and you try to find the best offensive linemen because you're going to be drafting pretty high up if this thing doesn't get turned around, oh, Joe. Unfortunately, that's, that's, you know, you might end up being a top 10.

And I don't know, like I said, I haven't seen any projections just yet, but there might be a situation where you have to go in and take a line in the top 10. Now, we know, look, Anthony Munoz is the best offensive lineman that they've had. Willie, I know, hey, I know Big Willie played a, he from my home state, went to Auburn. but you guys need you guys need an offensive line bad oh yeah we do we do i'm just hoping those young bulls those young bulls that we do have especially those that have gotten paid they've been paid a nice ransom i'm hoping they can show up and and and pay dividends you know and play like the money that they've received so far i'm i'm excited for them obviously getting joe borough despite where we are right now we're still two and three the season is salvageable i know what joe can do

but the only way to allow Joe to cook the only way he can be that chef the head chef is he needs a little time if he get a little time up you give Joe any time boy he is surgical with that ball that's for any of you that in the chat that no football

even though he can't move he got an arm on him yes we got two of the best he got the best maybe arguably depending on who you ask the best dude to throw to so I'm excited I'm optimistic and we can't go anywhere but up from here because we had the bottom of the barrel right now.

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He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is Sprott. I would fight him. I would. Listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Kevin Stafansky was non-committal on whether rookie should do her Sanders or

practice squad Bailey Zappi would be the team's backup quarterback in the aftermath of trading Joe Flacko to the bingles. Stefansky said he would let the play, let the week play out and make the decision later when asked about QB2 role. Stefansky also would not say if the team would sign Zappi to the active roster ahead of Sunday's game so that one of the backups would. serve as the inactive emergency quarterback. Oh, Joe,

what are we doing? It's already been reported that Bailey Zappi was taking a lot of the practice squad snaps. Yeah. Listen, Kevin Stefansky's is really enjoying this moment. He's Kevin Safank is making the Browns organization

basically Jerry Springer. He's making it basically Mori Povich when Mori Povin does the goddamn DNA test and the girl or the girl gets up screaming and they run around with the camera. Yeah, yeah. That's exactly what he's making it.

He's making a mockery of the situation and enjoying it. Yeah. He's enjoying it. Just announced the goddamn quarterback, who quarterback number two? If Bailey Zab, you've been taking the practice reps knowing that Shador, Joe Flack, I'm gone. If Sadoor was already number three and goddamn Dillon, Gabriel goes number one, and Joe Flack, I'm going, then that makes God damn Stewart number two.

Why are we playing these goddamn mind games? Like, what do we do? But my thing was, Ocho, if he was, let's just say for the sake of argument, Joe Flacco started. Okay, when Joe Flacco was there, Joe Flacco was one, Bailey Zappi was two, excuse me, Dylan Gabriel was two, Choudoir was three. But the report said Bailey Zappi was getting the practice squad.

They signed them off somebody else team and put him on their practice squad. He comes in or taking reps that Shador should be getting. So with that being said, I understood the assignment. Ain't no way Dylan Graber going to be taking all those reps and somehow come out of this regular season. sure santa's going to pole vault in front of him so if bailey zappy is taking those reps practice squad reps ocho what's the likelihood now i'm not saying it can't happen but what's the likelihood hey i don't know what they're doing i don't know i'm not so sure i'm not so sure

cleveland know what they do it maybe they're waiting on de chan to come back i don't know it says he's been out there he's been throwing and i don't know ocho but i just know look they've made a mockery of this. We've talked about Cleveland more in the first six weeks of this year than we have at any point in time, and it's not all good. But I really don't know what, I really don't know what to make of this.

It's we're going to let it play out. What I'm trying to, what are you going to let play out? I can see if this was a training camp battle, Locho, and let it play out. I'm trying to figure out what can someone do in a week of practice, Ocho, that's going to change your mind

from where you stand right now to move like, oh, well, he had a great week of practice. Nothing? Whopty-do? Nothing at all. Again, that's why I said they're making a mockery of the situation. That's all. What's going on?

I got built this little mini gym? It's not a, it's, uh, they ask you. him they're asking Shadour what do you know what do you what do you mean as that's Dylan Gabriel you ask him what do you think

about I'm not playing as Dylan Gabriel what does he think about Joe Flacko being traded why are you asking me I'm the backup to the backup they got that just got started see they're always trying to put a microphone because they're always trying to get him

to slip up they're always trying to catch him off his guard on Joe they try to they're always trying they don't ask any other quarterback they don't ask the third string or they don't ask the practice squad guy what do you think about somebody getting traded but somehow the microphone always seemed to find chador they're hoping he mess up they hope he has a proverbial slip you see that's why he's not starting you see he need to keep his mouth closed you see this is why he what he is a new cycle it's the last name in general they haven't had somebody this polarizing that's not even

end that's not even in an important role as of yet, they never had anybody like this before. They haven't, and they don't even know how to handle the situation in general. Most of the time, in a situation like this, when you have something as polarizing, a polarizing thing like that, you do everything you can to stay away from it. But no, they're engaging with it in purpose to keep the Cleveland Browns in the news cycle, no different than the goddamn Dallas Cowboys. Right. No damn different.

Man, if I should do, I'll say, look, man, and when I'm starting, when coach Stephansky tell me I'm starting, then I talk to you guys. What other backup quarterback they're talking to? You can't do that, though, but you understand the rules, though. You know, you understand the rules. But I'm trying to figure out, Ocho, I'm trying to think, they're not asking James Winston, no question.

They're not asking Russ any question. Now, all the questions are the Jackson Dart. Right, right. So my only thing is, okay, so why do you continuously ask a backup up that's not playing, why are you continuously asking, why are you continuously asking them questions? What do you hope to get from him?

I can tell you what they're hoping. I can tell you. I know what they're hoping also. Hey, they, they hoping, like when you go to the Army, like when you go to the Marines, like when you go to the Navy, they're trying to break you in the beginning

to see if you are the one. Are you built for this? Mentally. That's all. They're waiting on the snap, huh? They're waiting on the new snap. I'm telling you. He has to understand it.

I can see the play. I can see the play all the way. I can see the play way before it happened, all the way before a start. How can you not see it if you understand the game and the game that they're playing? I can see it in clear as day. Your owner coming out and saying some of the things he said

and he got training camp. Oh, I see what this is. Okay, now I got to play the game. I see what you're all trying to do. Right. You got to play the game. Now you're in their structuring environment. You got to play by their rules.

Yeah. You're right. Listen, even I was in that position at one point. Mm-hmm. My feet ain't wet. I got my toe in the water. I got my toe in the water, but my feet ain't wet just as if yet. But once I got in the water fully, oh, but you've seen you've seen your every bit of day, County, Liberty City.

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Hey, ladies and gentlemen, we got a very special guest joining us. We got the world champion in the heptathlon, which signifies the greatest woman heptathlete in the world, the world. She won gold in Tokyo. She won silver in Budapest. She won bronze and Eugene, our Florida Gator alum. Here she is, Anna Hall. Anna, how are you?

Hello. I'm good. How are you? I'm good. Let's mean. Let's start with this. I saw a thing a year, maybe a year ago, maybe it was leading up to the Olympics

where Jackie Joyner, who happens to be the greatest heft athlete ever created, back-to-back gold medals in 88, 92, won the silver in 84. She even won the gold medal in the long jumping soul. And then won bronze, bronze,

and Barcelona and Atlanta. When you sit down and talk to her, what did she tell you that gave you the confidence and say, you know what, I can be an Olympic? champion. I can be a world champion. Yeah, I think she's spoken like so much into me, which I'm so thankful for. I actually talked to her today. Very close. But really from the first time I met her, she was always just like, no, I see it in you. Like I believe in you and I know you can do this. And

she started telling me that back in 2022 when I was still on the team at the University of Florida, actually. So for her to say that when I was so young, I feel like I didn't see it in myself yet really made a difference. And then now along the way, she was texting me in between events in Tokyo. And she knows the standards like I have for myself. So even when some of them weren't what I wanted, she was like, keep your head up. Like, you've got this. Just let it go. Oh, to the next event. It means so much because I know she's been there. Like, I know she knows exactly what I'm feeling in those situations when we're down under the stadium, trying to regroup. you she um that world record she said that in soul uh 7291 if i'm not mistaken she was the first woman

to generate 7,000 points in the heptathlon uh you reached that mark um I know she's your mentor I know she's your role model but you're like yeah I kind of I kind of you know 7300 sound real nice that that does sound nice I mean 300 is a ways away from just 7,000 and I'm just like slowly trying to reel her in. But I think the better I get, the more I realize I'm like, she put that record so far out there. Yes. When you think about it,

that like nobody's been within 200 points of it. Like that's insane. I would argue maybe it's like one of the hardest, maybe if not the hardest record in all of track and fields. I think the world athletic rankings would agree with me. So it's very, very motivating. But I'm like, okay, it's going to take like perfect condition. perfect training, literally everything I could possibly do

correct over the next few years to chase that down. You might have to sit personal best and everything because like I said, she won the gold medal in the long jump. So that gets, she could run 22 seconds for 200 meters. She could run into 12s for the hurdles. So she would, so you, I mean, it might take a personal in every of it. Everything in all of this, Anna, in order for you to clips that record because she was on that day.

And that day, like you said, perfect conditions. she had trained Bobby had piqued her at the right time because she had just gotten married to Bobby a couple of years earlier because she was just Jackie Jordan in 84 in LA and then when she comes to sold in 88 she was favored to win in 84 and the last event she got nipped but it's going to take perfect condition it's going to take you at your absolute apex and you would have to get every mark yeah exactly something I was super focused on even this year though was like raising my like perfect score which people People say, like, obviously, you're probably not actually going to do seven PRs. But people keep a record of, like, what are your PRs that up to? And so finally, this is the first year my PRs actually do. I think it's like 7303. And so I'm like, I need to bump that up to like 74 to give yourself some wiggle room. To give yourself some wiggle room, some margin for error.

Yeah, exactly. The likelihood of you PR in seven events over two days. We're asking an awful lot of that body. Yes, exactly. one of the questions I want to ask obviously when it comes to some of the goals that you already want and those that you haven't achieved yet how do you keep from keeping that the main thing obviously because when you have something that you focus on you focus on that one goal and you want to break a record so bad most of the time you end up pressing and we end up pressing obviously you're not really running as free as

you should how do you balance both of wanting to achieve breaking the record without pressing and just running your race. Yeah, yeah. It's definitely a hard balance. I think when I've chased marks like that, like even when I was first chasing down like 7,000 points, the first time I was close, I missed it like 12 points and I was like pressing for it so hard. And so fortunately right now, honestly, with her record being what it is, it's not like I'm expecting to get it tomorrow. I know this is going to be, it's going to take a full body of work and it's something, you know, maybe we'll aim for the LA 2020 Olympics would be a perfect story of a place to ever do it. But I know it's not like when I step on the track tomorrow, I'm putting the pressure

on myself to get it. And having the injuries that I've had in my career, I think I've learned not to let people rush me. Like, I would love to do a world record for you all. As much as you guys would love to see it, I would love to do it. But they don't just happen like that. And I'm only 24, which in track years is not very old. So I'm just trying to be patient with myself and make sure that I'm looking long-term at my full development. Yeah, because it's a lot of strain on your body. And Jackie dealt with a lot of hamstring issues.

If you've noticed, I remember watching her, she would always have that hamstring taped up because you got to jump, you got to run, you got to throw. So it's just so much. And you're pushing yourself to maximum capacity. And even though you're not necessarily trying to win the run. race, although you would like to win, you're going against the standard that you already have said. And so that's asking an awful lot. I say that to transition to this, what is your strongest event? What's your weakest event? What are you trying to, like, if I can just get

my weakest, you know, three quarters of what my strongest is, I think that gives me an excellent opportunity as well. Yeah, yeah. I think, I would say my strongest event, I feel like I have to say the 800 since I broke like the heptathlon best in it. Um, so, probably the 800. And I would say my weakest event is definitely the long jump. Everybody, it's not a secret. Everyone knows that. I feel like most people are holding the breath when I get to the long jump. I have injured myself on a long jump board before. So I definitely have a lot of like. It's a block. So you got something in your head. Yes. Exactly. And it's something that on paper I should be really good at because I'm relatively fast in track. And then

And I tie jump on my best events as well, so you would think. But it's coming, guys. So that's definitely the big one where I have a lot of room to grow. Because even to my own PR, I jumped like 60 centimeters less, which is a lot at worlds than my own personal best. And I think I even have room to grow on top of that. So that's where I see most of those points coming from. Will you have tathlete in high school? I mean, what made you decide to focus?

because, you know, no, we didn't have that. So, you know, you ran, you could only run three solo events and you could run the two relays, so you could only compete in five events. So I guess they had, I guess they had haptath elites and decathletes coming along when you were in high school. Yeah. So I actually, I did the heptop on in club track. Okay. And then in high school track, we had a rule.

It was like four events. You could enter of anything. So I usually run like one or two relays, sometimes the long hurdles, high jump. Well, I was good I long jump thin. So long jump. And so really just whatever the team needed. But when I was first starting track, I really loved the 800 and 1,500 and high jump. And they like don't go together at all.

No. I actually remember I told my dad, like, I want to be the first person to go to the Olympics and the 1500 in the high jump. And he, like, of course, laughed in my face. And it was like, this doesn't really work like that. Like, we love that you're dreaming big, but like, let's focus. And so since he. had done the decathlon. He was like, why don't you try this and put me in one? And as soon as I did one, I knew that that was definitely what I wanted to do. Hey, you know what? As a former track athlete

myself, and I'm thinking about the tedious process and what it takes to even get at the level you're at, being elite, where track, it takes up most of your life. What do you like to do outside of track? You know, being that track is everything you're always asked about, everything you talk about. Where's your other sense of peace where you can just exhale and be like, okay, this is what I love. This is what I'm passionate about. This is what I'm enthusiastic about when I'm able to get away from it. Yeah. Honestly, I don't get much time away training for all seven events.

It's like I basically signed up for seven times the work and the same working for the same medal, same goal. But when I do get away from track, the main thing for me, honestly, is my family and my friends. I have three sisters, so any time or weekends that I can steal with them is really how I feel like I turn my brain off and then getting up to, I'm in my off season right now, so I'm up visiting my boyfriend. That's definitely a way I can turn my brain off. I spend time with my dog. I don't have many hobbies besides track, honestly, which is something I'm going to work on. I'm trying to become a better chef, maybe this off season. I don't usually make.

We're starting not in the best place, but. I was like one week, every week I'm going to make something I've never made before and then kind of just pick up new hobbies like that. Who are you going to test it out on this boyfriend? If you want to, you want to tell the name? Yes, you can know. Darius, Darius Slaten is my boyfriend. Wait, my brother, New York Giant Darius?

Yes. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay, yeah. Which I'm sure. So is he, is he the guinea pig that this new thing that you try every week? Yes. You're like, hey, honey, look what I made for you. Yeah, I was like, we're one weekend, and I went safe and it's decent, but he will be brutally honest with me, which I appreciate.

He will always tell it to me straight, so I know I'm going to come with my A game and look up maybe the simplest recipes and, like, the easiest not to mess up. So what do you like cooking? You like cooking breakfast food? You like cooking, I mean, are you a brunch type of a lady? Are you, you, I mean, you, shrimp scampy, or you like. you know, chicken palm, or you, I mean, what, what, what, what, what's Anna Hall? So if somebody said, you know what, Anna, I want you to make me your favorite dish tonight.

What you, what do you cooking? My favorite dish is definitely breakfast. I think I do a good breakfast. I love, that's my favorite meal. Yeah, my favorite meal of the day, I could eat for, I eat for dinner sometimes. Yes, yes. I make like, basically like an egg scramble bowl with like mashed up hash browns, sausage, chicken sausage, peppers, onions.

spinach you could eat all that like all in the bowl um i eat after breakfast like every day before training so i forgot you you're doing seven events yes you can eat that that that ain't nothing you probably could eat two of those no eating enough is a struggle honestly that's like one of my biggest off-track battles so right so let me ask you let me ask you this um what's a what's a training session like are you doing all seven events in one day or you pick a day and say I'm going to work on this one, two events today, and then Tuesday I work on another two events and then X, Y, and Z like that, or how are you doing it? I usually do three events in a day and a lift, so the running joke at our group is that

they call me 9 to 5 because they're like, you're at the track from 9 to 5 every day. But I usually do, like, an example Monday would be hurdles, and then I would shop put and then take a little break, maybe like 30, 40 minutes for lunch, come back in high jump, and then I probably get to the weight room around like four, get done the weight to like 5.30. And so that I started at 10. So pretty much going from like 10 to 530. It just takes a lot, a lot of time to learn all that techniques. You've gotten better at the shot.

I saw you in the shot. I was like, okay, okay. I see the improvement. Thank you. I was proud of that one. That used to be a weakness for sure. I mean, would have named that before I named Long Jump, like a few years ago. So I was super proud of that.

And the Europeans are like such good throwers. I was like. And you should be too because of your body type, how long you are? Yes. You should be able to launch the shot because I'm looking at your body type and you look at them. They throw, I'm like, hold on. How you? Yeah.

You shouldn't be able to throw it. I mean, it looked like they thought it like it's a BB. Yeah, exactly. My first like, you 20 worlds, I was like, there is no way this like I'm the same size as this girl. I used to tell myself, like, why I'm too small. And I was like, I'm the same size as girl in her shop that's going two meters farther than mine. So I was like, we have to catch up. The Europeans have typically just start technical events before us.

So they have a little bit of a jump start. But I'm happy I was able to catch up and pass most of the girls that I needed to. Because, you know, most, like you said, like the throws and the jumps, the speed events, the Americans, you know, the 200, the hurdles, you know, things that, you know, the things that require speed. but man when you look at stuff that that's a lot of technique I'm like I'm looking I'll be looking at I'm like how you do that yeah yeah it is it is crazy because the sameotype is that like we're more we're faster we're more powerful and then they're just efficient with how they work

and their form and all of that and actually which I feel like it's not her but her one of the coaches of my rivals like when I first came on the scene they were like oh there's an American Heptathlet, like, we haven't had a lot in a while, and he was like, oh, well, she's just fast. Like, of course, typical of the Americans, but, like, she has no technique.

I remember that. Like, two years ago, I was like, I'm going to work on my shop foot and my javelin. So definitely I've had a chip on my shoulder there. Right. So how do you fuel, so for a training session,

how do you, so you eat the bowl, so you got scrambled eggs, you got hash, you got sausage, you got peppers, okay, now you go to the track. So you probably, I mean, at the weight you're, at the work you're expending, the calories that you're expending, you probably can eat about 3,000 calories a day. Yeah, probably. I mean, I don't count calories, but I would bet that that's close to what I'm eating.

Yeah, absolutely. And then you say, okay, I get a break. You eat breakfast. How soon after you eat breakfast do you head to the track? You give yourself an hour to digest? No, I wake up as late as I can. But I'll let it digest in the warm up. I'll be fine.

But I have a protein shake, usually after my first event. And then when I break, I break for lunch. And so I'll eat like something with meat. I don't count calories. I count protein. So I'm trying to get like 100, 120 grams a day, which for someone, my size is a lot. That's absolutely. That's damn near a cow of pound.

Yeah. I weigh a lot more than 120 pounds. No, but I'm saying it's almost, but I'm saying, you know, but if you think about it, 100 grams of protein, 120 grams of protein, that's a lot of cats. And then when you throw in, I mean, maybe rice or, you know, some type of leafy vegetable, kale, you know, things like that, I mean, you, you get in a large, so now, okay,

you go back to the track, you wind down. What's dinner? It really depends. I like, I usually, I like steak a lot. I eat a lot of steak. So like a Chipotle bowl. Okay. If I'm being lazy or I cook, sometimes I'll make like crab cakes and like a pasta dish,

something hardy like that. And then I usually have. You taking that kind of time to cook, Emma? Sometimes. Sometimes. It depends on the day. Yeah, depends on the day. And then, but I want to cook more. So that's my, I'm trying to get better at it.

And then before. but I usually make myself like a Greek overbowl just to, like, get my last protein calories in, which, yeah, typically has been a struggle for me, but we got a dial done this year, so now I have my regimen. So do you have a nutritionist? Is everything always on the healthy side? Do you have any cheap meals like McDonald's, like I love to consume, or is everything always has to be predicated towards what you do?

I obviously feel like my mom did a really good job when we were growing up. I like healthy food because that's what I grew up on. But my coaches and my nutritionists all the time are like, eat something dirty, like go have the pizza, have the burger or whatever. So they're always telling, reminding me of that. So dinner sometimes will be something like that. But really the thing is I have a sweet tooth. So I try to keep my main meals clean.

So then I'm like, okay. Cookies cake, ice cream. By the time I've eaten all. that food I'm not that hungry for a giant sweet treat but I will I won't tell myself no if I won't like if I'm before bed I want ice cream or I want a little cookie or something like I pretty much never know to that but that's the thing that people get confused Anna is that you don't realize how hard it is to consume a healthy diet when you eat chicken you eat chicken fish or you eat lean cuts of protein and you eat leafy vegetables and you eat brown rice or white rice or

whatever, to try to get to the allotment that you are, it takes a lot. I mean, you just get sometimes, I mean, when I was trying to consume 4,000 calories a day, but it was healthy, bro, I just got to the fucking tired of chewing. I'm just like, nah, bro, I'm good. No, exactly. And that's honestly where off-season, I was like, I lose muscles so fast just because I'm like, I don't have to force myself to eat anymore, so I won't. And then I start, I restart our fall training, like 10 pounds lighter.

And my coaches are like, all right, let's go. Yeah. Anna, thank you for joining us. Congratulations on the world championship gold medal. We got the ultimate. Obviously, you're going to competing that next year, correct? Yes, I'm going to try for it. They don't have the multi, which is a little bit rude, but I'm going to compete in probably the high jump or the foreigner hurdles. I'll run on the circuit to qualify. Okay, okay. That's what Jackie did. I don't want to get left out. So I'm going to do my most to qualify and make it there. that would be that would be unbelievable because there are not very there are not very many women or athletes in that point the catholics that can go into an open event and be competitive which i do believe you could be in the 400 hurdles i do believe you could be that because i've

seen you run that you have the endurance because you're great at 800 so you have the strength to run the question is you know that lactic acid build up about the 300 mark yes yes no those girls are so good at it and so I'm excited to give it hopefully a better effort than I have in the past because usually I just run them on a whim but I really want to focus on it a little bit more next year. Well, congratulations. I know things are not going well for the jazz, but tell

him keep his head up, stay healthy. And yes, when you come back and when you win the ultimate when you come back and you do something special, come back and join us and tell us about it, please. We'll do. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. Anna Hall, world champion, heptathlete. Thank you, Anna.

also we got breaking news another major trade between the jags and the browns jaguars get cornerback gregg newsom and jets 2026 sixth round picks from the brown browns get Tyson campbell the eagle's 2026 seventh round picks from the jag the trade partners from the night of the 2025 draft now pull off another mid-season trade hey listen that's that's a good try that's a good trade now i don't understand why they were for the jag yeah the jags going for it Oh, yeah, listen, especially for the Jags. I don't, and this is the thing I would get ready to say. Greg Newsom is a phenomenal, huh?

For sure. Greg Newsom ain't no slouts. You know, we understand what Denzel Ward is on the other side, but when they try to go to Greg Newsom's side, but that young boy can play some ball. So this is a win for the Jags. And with great understanding on why they did it, because, oh, we're going to push all our chips to the front.

We're pushing all our chips to the front because we really believe we have a chance, right now with the way Trevor Lawrence is playing. Yep. That's respectable. And if you're a Jaguars fan, I commend ownership. I commend your GM and I commend your goddamn head coach. They don't push all eight chips on the table.

We going in. A, uh, the chat funny as hell, unc. What happened? They just been going in on you. They're going in on me. I look like Debo. I look like a Mexican with his damn flat on. What are they going on me for?

What I do? What I do, Ocho? They're killing me. What they say I do? Hold on, chat. What I do? I was just asking questions. Damn, I can't ask no questions.

It ain't funny, boy. Look, I know you guys think. But here's the real. When it comes to track and feel, I don't have a research team. I'm old enough to remember y'all I'm 57 so I go all the way back I remember the 84 Olympics I remember so I remember Barcelona I remember Atlanta I remember Athens I'm what y'all want me to I remember Sydney was in 2000 Athens 2004 Beijing was eight London was 12 Rio was 16 21 I remember what y'all want me to do I remember the world championships when they came out I'm sorry that y'all can't remember your way home that is my fault I've told you if you know Shannon Sharp

if you watch me at any point in time I told people my favorite sport is track and field yes I love football and I know the history of football I know the history of basketball

but I love track and field I plan around the track and field I mean if I didn't really have to talk about football I go to the gym but when tracking field alone I ain't going nowhere it's the only sports that I watch with the side

sound. No other sport will I watch with the sound. And for them to take their time out to come on nightcap, what other than my boy, Justin Gatlin, his partner, that give track and field athletes the platform like we do? Well, yeah, you're right. You're right by that. I'm sorry that, you know, I ask questions that I think the chat would want to hear. What do you eat? What are your training sessions like? X, Y, and Z. Yes. So I'm just, I'm confused at what y'all I'm supposed to do like like stutter or go through it yes there are no notes on here with Anna Hall I know who she is I know she was a Florida alum I know she's from Colorado I mean yeah y'all don't worry about it uncle they still killing me

they told me I look like Jody from baby boy man people weird I mean like like like I'm not supposed to ask any questions like I'm supposed to be like uh uh uh uh what do you what are you like no I know I know the I know the him I can't wait for us to have Ryan Krauser on so I can talk to him about the shot the greatest the greatest shot putter ever Anna was talking about the Jackie's record that she said him sold 7291 seems unbreakable that woman shot putter the USSR ain't nobody breaking that one no no no no you know it's funny is the same way you are about track and field one of the one sporting one of the one you like that about soccer oh my god well as soccer come on my phone don't do not disturb you know on saturday this sunday i'm mad i fly to london in the morning my flight at five o'clock i'm mad that i'm going to london and everybody on goddamn international break everybody on international break so that's a perfect time for me to

catch a goddamn guy i can sneak and go catch a game right everybody don't oh cho does this mean we'll see Travis full-time on offense. Greg Newsom was the number 26 pick in the 2021 NFL draft. Tyson Campbell was picked 33 in that same draft, just seven picks apart. You know what? I'm curious what they're going to do because they have a phenomenal knicker in Jordan Lewis, right?

I'm not sure who's on the other side, but you know, Greg Newsom is coming in on one side, and he's going to be that guy. That guy can do it. I still think they know Travis Hunter wants to continue to contribute on defense. I think he'll continue to have those packages. They're going to find ways to fit him in there at some point.

But what we saw offensively, he's too dynamic, huh? They have to find ways to get in the ball on offense. He's too dynamic. You put the ball in the area, anywhere in the vicinity. He's going to make that play, especially don't jump balls that are really fit in 50. Where he can showcase his athleticism. Yeah, they become 80-20 with somebody like that. Yeah, so, I mean, listen, he's too dynamic, you know,

and showing flashes of brilliance in which we saw at Colorado on both sides of the ball. So I hope they allow them to continue doing this thing on both sides. Have given them a healthy a healthy count on both sides of the ball. We're going to be effective and efficient

but they don't overload him. And he's able to play at his best on both sides. And that's what it comes down to. Because they need a special player. Yeah. on one side of the ball or other. It doesn't work for them if he's average on both sides of the ball,

he has to be dynamic on one of the other. Right. Because that's why you traded up, that's why you gave up what you gave up to get it. Because if you gave up what you get it and you just got an average player, that doesn't make sense to me. So let him be dynamic.

Let him be dynamic. And then you're like you said, bring him in on a package. I mean, personally, I still think he's better at defense. I think his instincts, his ball skills are just second to none. I know you like it.

because of the jump ball, but right now it's just athleticism. Now, once he learns the route tree, I give a prime example. Tyree. Remember when Tyreek first came in, he was a gadget guy? And then all of a sudden, Tyreek learned the route tree. Tyreek has played his way into a Hall of Famer. Yeah, absolutely.

Travis Hunter has that kind of ability. He's just got to get better at running. Right now, they're only running most spots and jump balls. Yeah, if I could get, if I get, Trave, I know you're going to see this. If I can get with you in the all season. Yeah. I don't need my time.

Trave, I need you for two months. Two months. We work in four days a week. All I need is an hour. I all your time for four weeks. I know you already have your train. I'm not trying to step on nobody toes. I'm talking about running routes.

Yeah. I'm talking about giving an illusion of doing something that you really not at full speed. Oh, my goodness, brother, what I could do with you. Oh, my goodness, what I could do with you. Hopefully you take you up on that, Ocho. And listen. Now, you know that's my specialty now.

I do. Shit, man. Hey, Trab, come on, holl at your boy in the off-season. I don't need much time. I would have they. That's it. Rock running? I wish they will come up and play press.

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