Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Joe Johnson joins the show to discuss the Warriors beating the Lakers, & Ja Morant is at it again with the finger guns!

Episode Date: April 4, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson & Joe Johnson react to the Warriors beating the Lakers at home, & Ja hits a game winner over the Heat, and is back at it with the finger guns!04:25 - Show start07:00 - Joe Johnson joins the show07:30 - Warriors v Lakers34:50 - Ja Morant45:35 - Giannis Antetokounmpo makes history(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He could have started out with the Phoenix Suns, but most of you guys know him for the Atlanta Hawks right here in the A. Here he is, Iso Joe. Joe Johnson. What's up? What's going on? What's up? What's up, Ocho, man?

What y'all got going on? Man, I'm right here living. We appreciate you staying up late at night for us, bro. We appreciate this i don't know probably man i couldn't miss this i appreciate y'all for having me on the show all the success you guys have man it continues to say so i really appreciate y'all i'm a huge fan yes all right appreciate this uh the warriors beat the lakers 123 116 the lakers cut the lead once 16.4th quarter lead they got it down to five, but they couldn't get over the hump.

The Dubs bench outscored the Lakers bench 26-7. LeBron, 33 points, nine assists, five rebounds. Austin Reeves, 31 points, six rebounds. Rui, 24 points, six rebounds. Luka had 19 points on six and 17 shooting, eight rebounds, seven assists. In the first half, Pods outscored Luka and LeBron. He had 22. They combined for 16.

I think kind of the difference in this ballgame, Joe, correct me if I'm wrong, and I know you watched it, was the bench, the bench production. One team bench gave them 26 because you kind of got, okay, Steph had 37, but LeBron gave you 33. And then when you factor in Austin Reeves, okay, Steph had 37, but LeBron gave you 33. And then when you factor in Austin Reeves, okay, so that's a push. Now Jimmy Butler and Draymond, Luka kind of offset them. But so if you get offset, offset, now where is that production going to come from? And you see the Golden State Warriors bench, they outscored the Lakers bench by 19.

And the difference in the ballgame, I think, was what? Seven points, 123 to 116. When you watch this ballgame, what did you like or what didn't you like from what you saw in this ballgame? First off, when I seen Bron come in with them purple overalls, man, I knew it was going to be some trouble. What did that boy do? He came to work.

You say he coming to work today? But I thought it was a great game, man. They got off to a hot start. Both teams were on fire to start the game. And, yeah, it came down to the bench. And that's kind of what it's going to be like in the playoffs. You know, that game is going to kind of slow down a little bit. And I like what the Warriors got.

They got a bunch of guys over there, man, who ain't scared to take the big shot, make big plays, and create big opportunities. So they came into L.A. with it on their mind tonight. Because normally the Lakers have had their way with the Warriors over the last several years. They've had LeBron has been sensational. He was sensational again tonight. What was he, 10 or 15?

He didn't take a whole lot of shots. He was very, very efficient. I thought sometimes, Joe, he overpassed the ball. And I think if you watch him now, he starts the game in pass mode. He's not looking to attack. He's looking, okay, Austin, you go do your thing. Okay, Lucas, you do your thing. He's not in a mode where he's like, okay, I can go get mine.

And if you go back and look, say, the last seven, eight games, the first half he has not played well. Most of the time he's under double digits in the first half, and then he picks it up as he goes. This was by far the best game that he's played since that injury. Me seeing it, and you know I watch all the games, Joe, but I thought this was his best game. The second half, he became aggressive.

He wasn't aggressive to start with. 25 points in the second half. I think he had 14 in the third quarter, 11 in the fourth quarter. But what did you like about what you saw from LeBron tonight as opposed to the previous night coming back from this injury? Yeah, it seemed like it was probably the best game he's had since his injury. He was in critical rhythm. But, yeah, he does.

It seems like he kind of comes out a little unselfish early to kind of get those guys in rhythm and get them going. And sometimes it kind of hurts him kind of late because he's too unselfish. You know what I mean? But I've seen him. He did the same thing today. And it's like in the second half, he felt like,

okay, I've got to give us something in order for us to win. But yeah, I think sometimes him being a little too unselfish, I think it kind of hurts his rhythm. Becauseish, I think it kind of, you know, hurts his rhythm. Because in basketball, bro, you know, the scores, I know he do a lot of things for the Lakers,

a lot of good things for them as well. You know, scoring is a rhythm game. You know what I mean? So it's hard to just, you know, with him coming out, he may have 10, 12 assists in the first half, but offensively,

he'll have a rhythm to get his own, you know, and it takes him a little while. Hey, Joe, you don't think somebody like LeBron that's experienced as LeBron, he can't come into a game and facilitate first, knowing that the games he's had previously, they haven't been

as, he hasn't been LeBron, the LeBron that we're used to seeing, he can't come into a game and facilitate and allow the game to come to him instead of being aggressive out front? I think LeBron can do whatever he wants at this point, honestly. I think he knows he has another level or two

he's going to have to go, especially when the playoffs start. Right now, they're just trying to finish the season, obviously get great seating, but he knows when the playoffs start, we're going to see a whole different LeBron. We're going to have to. I think the difference is now, though, Ocho, you say, can he just facilitate?

But now he has another ball handler. So where it was just him and Austin Reeves, now he's going to get his shots. Now you got Luka. Luka's going to get 20-plus shots a night. Austin Reeves wants somewhere between 15 to 20 shots a night. There's only so many shots can go around. So where he could normally get his rhythm,

right? Because he knows he's going to be able to get those shots. Right now, Luca and all three, because he's coming into his own, they're cutting into that. So he can't wait. Like he wants could to just go get his shots because they're going to come

few and far between. Because now if Luca gets going, now you're not going to get any shots because you don't want to take him out of his room. We've seen all three get going. You don't want to take him out of his rhythm. We've seen Austin Reeves get going. You don't want to take him out of his rhythm. And the farther they get going and stay in their rhythm, the farther you get removed from being in your rhythm.

So it gets harder and harder as we get to older, and now he has two guys that can take up some of the scoring slack. Yeah, I agree. What do you think about that, Joe? I think tonight with Austin Reeves and everybody getting off to such a great start, he kind of fed off that. He goes really into real passive mode, and he just keeps feeding them until they kind of cool off, and then that's when he tries to pick up.

And I think that's the thing that kind of hurts him from time to time. But like I said, man, when the playoffs start, it's going to be a whole totally different ballgame. I'm looking forward to it. Well, what did you like about what you saw from Steph? Because Steph, he saw playoffs start, it's going to be a whole totally different ball game. I'm looking forward to it. Well, what did you like about what you saw from Steph? Because Steph, he saw pods have it going early. He didn't force anything.

Now, all of a sudden, he's putting the ball in front. You got to try to run him off the three. He knows you're going to try to run him off the three. So now he has the ability to sidestep you, still get off the three, or put the ball on the floor and get to the rim. Even though he's not an above-the-rim player, he's magic around the basket. He don't have to be an above-the-rim player because he shoots so great from the outside that if he raises his eyebrow, he's going to jump.

So he knows that. He knows that. So his in-between game is so good, whether he's shooting floaters or whether he's dishing the drink line for easy layups or spraying out to Moody for three. So, you know, he has a defense and a hunk of bulk. And if he don't run out there with some emphasis or some

urgency, you know it's going on either. Yeah. Right. And also, if you think about it, he and Draymond, because, you know, because they shoot so many threes, they're a better rebounding team than you think, even though they're small. Because they get up so many threes and the're a better rebounding team than you think, even though they're small. Because they get up so many threes and the ball's coming up everywhere and guys are scrambling and they get the rebound.

So they're going to out-rebound a lot of teams, even though they're small. You think like, oh, man, we're going to punish them on the glass. No, you're not. Yeah. No, you're not. Because you got Draymond and Jimmy Butler who are blue-collar workers. And they're going to do all the little things, box it out and rebound and do the nasty, dirty work that a lot of guys are not going to do.

And it's going to result into a lot of second-chance opportunities for those guys to kick out and shoot threes. Yeah. Listen, I don't know how the NBA season will go. I'm not sure. But when the playoffs come, the Lakers-Warriors playoff, I think NBA fans would love this. I think it's something that would be really, really dope,

a seven-game series with these two teams playing. And as far as Steph goes, listen, somebody like that, that can put the ball on the floor, can shoot and score from all three levels, there's no way to stop that. And obviously, the Lakers bench, they got to do much better if just so happened, hypothetically speaking, they happen to meet up in a seven-game series. And like you say, two-pace, copy and paste.

Lakers in five. I think because Draymond and Steph has played well so long together, they understand. They get that rebound, and Draymond just Steph has played well so long together. They understand. They get that rebound, and Draymond just bouncing behind his back. He ain't not even looking, but he knows Steph, and they did a great job tonight. If you notice, Joe, they ran pick.

No, I don't want that one. I want Luka. Whoever Luka's going, bring your vans, Joe. So just as much as the Lakers are going to try to pick off Steph and post Rudy Hotchman and all those guys and make Steph work, we're going to do the same thing to Luka. Bring him on down here. We're going to get the switch, and we're going to make him move them puppets, man. He got to move them feet.

Yeah, it's a blessing and a curse because he can only move so fast. He's never going gonna be a great defender especially because they have him out in space now he's i mean you're not gonna be able to just back him down but if you get him out in space okay he might stop the initial yeah but now can he stop the second can he stop the third because at first time you need to move that step with him joe he has steph at the first steph said okay you got that was a you know, Joe, he had Steph at the first. Steph said, okay, you got that. Good job. You got the good job. Oh, let me go back over here. Uh-oh, I think I got you leading.

Boom, boom. And now he got the float to the rim. I've been there, man. I've been there. It's going to be challenging, you know, because they're going to see Luka every play down the court. Defensively, they're going to make him play defense. He's not just going to be able to use all his energy for offense. And that's how teams feel like they're going to pick on the defense. He's not just going to be able to use all his energy for offense.

And that's how teams feel like they're going to pick on the Lakers. Yeah. Yes. You got to. Because if you look at it, Joe, Austin Reeves, your Luka are great defenders. Okay, let me,

I don't take great out of it. They're average to below average defenders. So now let me, I don't take great out of it. They're not, they're average to below average defenders. So now you got two of those. Now you only got one big, which is Jackson Hayes. And he's a, you know, he can get some foul trouble. I mean, he comes and goes. I mean, he's like all over the damn place. He's looking at the stars

and he's like, damn. So he's all over the place. So now that puts a lot of emphasis on a guy like LeBron. And LeBron coming off an injury, he's not going to do too much because he don't want to do anything sudden, jump, and re-injure that groin. Absolutely. When they take Jackson Hayes out, they're a really small team. They are, man. They need some help in that paint to help

Jackson Hayes and LeBron because that's not going to get it in the playoffs, man. You're going to need way more than that. You know, every play is intensified in the playoffs, and, you know, a knick-knack or an ankle sprain or something minor can happen. You know, it's a playoff series, so it's going to linger, man. It ain't going to heal up until all season, so they need some help. Yeah, but they do need some help. You got to think about it. We've't going to heal up until all season. So they need some help. Yeah, but... They do need some help. You got to think about it.

You talk about... We've been saying they need help all this time. We talked about Jackson Hayes obviously being the only big, the only person that can play the five. LeBron can switch

and go to the five sometime depending on circumstance in a game, depending on the situation. But what Joe just said, they need a big. It's not going to work in the playoffs.

Ain't nobody out there now. There ain't nobody out there. It's too late now at this point to go and get somebody. So you got to figure out how to do it. Plan small. And then you also have to figure out how to do it. But you got two liabilities on defense and Reigns and Luka. And make sure all the energy and their output is spent putting up points on offense.

Yeah, because they had the unfortunate case with not getting a Mark Williams kid, you know, not having that center. It's hurting them because he could do a lot of justice for them, man. He could have the Lakers looking a lot better than what they've been looking these past few games. Because now you start Mark Williams and you bring Jackson Hayes off the bench, which is the role he's best suited for.

Now those 15 minutes you play him, now they're spread out at the tail end. You let Mark Williams take the lion's share. Now you bring him in. Now at all times, you got somebody to protect the paint. Right now when Jackson Hayes goes out, they don't have anybody to protect the realm. So basically, it's a layup line. They're going to keep Luka. They're going to keep Luka in the pick and roll.

It is because they don't... The Lakers don't have... Once Jackson Hayes go out of the game, the Lakers don't have that line through it anymore. It's kind of bunching up the game. You can tell they just penetrate and kick him. A lot of times, guys do have their in-between game, but they kick it out for threes so much that it's making them hard for them to score.

They went into a last today where it took them a while to score some points. So in the playoffs, it's going to slow down, and Bron knows that. I'm sure, like I said, he's going to go to another level or two, but, man, they need some help in the paint. Yeah. Unfortunately, that's not coming until next year unless they can do something. They can't pick up nobody for the playoffs. No, ain't nobody.

They picked up Alex Lynn, and he just, right now, he's just waiting to be the tallest coach ever because he terrible as a player right now, Joe. I mean, ain't no way around it. Ain't no way around it. They put him in the game. They're going to have to kill all the roster. They're going to need that body, man. I all the roster. They're going to need that body, man. I'm telling you. They're going to need that body.

He's going to have to have an awesome body. That's all. You know what I'm saying? Joe, you're from Arkansas, right? Yeah, I'm from Little Rock. Okay. So you know, being from the country, you're from Little Rock. I'm from South Georgia.

We kept our own car in the backyard to take parts of off it. It wasn't worth a damn damn but we just used it for spare parts that's what we're doing with Alec Lee he's just going to be out there taking he's going to be out there

taking them space that's it hey listen hey listen man them people getting in trouble in them playoffs they're going to need

somebody to step in there and give them three four five five yeah I'm telling you but that's all he that's all he hey Ocho we go out there

hey man we need a carburetor hey go see if that little carburetor hey we need a metaphor plant we need a catalytic converter

we need a voltage regulator whatever spark plugs or something piece it up go ahead go ahead Joe piece it up

yeah piece it up try to make it work we gotta do whatever we can to buy some tires especially if any of them guys

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And he's lunging into guys and stuff like that. And he's been, bro. Mm-hmm. They not listening to you talking. You talking about, hey, that wasn't a foul. Bro, ain't nobody listen to you you talking to the official they just like tuning you out he ain't used to playing all these minutes

man they laying on everyone hard they are listen sometimes the onus gotta be on LeBron listen once we get to the playoffs he gotta talk to Jackson Hayes listen you don't have to challenge everything you don't have to challenge everything early on in the game, there's

no need to get in foul trouble. Man, young boy, don't have me going to the five and exerting all that goddamn energy on defense. Having to play out in there. He ain't trying to get in foul trouble, bro. He ain't trying to. I know he look wild out there. That man excited. Look, somehow

he ended up as the only bead for the Lakers. He like like, oh, yeah, and I'm playing with Luka LeBron. Man, that man out there had the time of his life. They don't, yeah. I mean, he came for the Pelicans.

Think about it. He was at the Pelicans. And he's probably not going to have it this good again. But I think the Warriors have to be really pleased because Jimmy Butler

didn't give him a whole lot tonight. Normally, even though when he's not giving them anything, he's at the foul line. So he's giving I think the Warriors have to be really pleased because Jimmy Butler didn't give him a whole lot tonight. Yeah. Normally, even though when he's not giving them anything, he's at the foul line. So he's giving Steph an opportunity to rest. Yeah. So the clock stops so now Steph can get the rest because Steph is perpetual motion. He's not, hey, he's just running. He's running baseline.

He's coming to the top. He's back. That's all he's doing. He's running baseline. He's coming to the top. He's back. That's all he's doing. He's running the whole game. And as Joe said, come playoff time, however many minutes you normally play, tack two to three on. Come playoff time. So if you're playing 33 minutes, you're going to go to 36.

If you're playing 35, you're going to 38. I'm talking about hard, tough minutes. But the one thing I do like about the Warriors, you know, Draymond's not a great offensive threat, but he knows his role. Meaning when that ball gets kicked to him, he go right into a dribble handoff. Because ain't nobody guarding him. Now Steph come off Scott Street shooting them wide open threes. And that's been the kind of money for them, you know, going down the stretch.

And sometimes he'll hit you with the dribble drive. He'll fake the handoff and drive it and go all the way to the rim with it. And the thing is, look, at some point in time, you got to live with that. If Draymond go hit two to three threes, you're probably going to lose the game. If Jimmy Butler at the time, no time on the clock, and he just heaves it up, you're probably going to lose like that. So you're going to have to live with something. You try to minimize stuff.

That's the damage. That's the – look, if you get, Steph is the trauma center. You can live with a paper cut. Steph's in here to the trauma center. And that's where you should stop. You know, you're not trying to go to Ocho. You know, in class that you get a little bandaid. When they call the paramedic for you, that's too much.

You in trouble then. Steph is the paramedic. I'm just trying to get a little bandaid. That's the hard part though. You know, Steph is the trauma center in regards to'm just trying to get a little band-aid. That's the hard part though. You know, Steph, the trauma center in regards to who, regards to who you plan.

So you want to deal with the trauma, but you want to limit everything else. The other four people, eliminate, eliminate them, or just make sure you find a way to stop up the dam. That's it. If try,

if you're going to deal with the trauma from Steph, make sure you deal with the other four and carry on like that. It's kind of hard because they're either going to put Alston Reeves or they're going to put Luka in the pick and roll. They're going to keep running because those are the guys.

Because Finney Smith didn't give us anything tonight. Gabe Vincent didn't give you anything tonight. You need uh, uh, Gabe, Vincent didn't give you anything tonight. You need something from those guys. We committed them the other night. Oh, Joe, because remember both of those guys gave you 20.

Yeah. Both of those guys hit at least six, three, uh, six, three. Yeah. They've got to give you something.

Now, if they're not giving you anything, you hope you hope they give you something offensively, but if they're not giving you anything offensively, Austin, uh, uh, Finney Smith got it.

Doe got it. He got to lock it down. You can't be, you can't be booty cheeks on both ends, Joe. Nah, you gotta, they gonna need guys to pitch in,

man. I just feel like, you know, they put so much pressure on, uh, Luca and LeBron to be great every night. Yes. You know,

it's going to be hard to win like that. That's why I think Austin Reeves is playing out of his mind this year. He's giving them great help, but they're going to need more help from Rui to be consistently good for them on a night-to-night basis, especially when they get into postseason. I think the thing is, and plus, I like Dalton Kinnick, but he annoys JJ because he doesn't understand his defensive responsibilities. He gets so lost.

They put him in the pick and roll, and both guys, they put him in the screen, the high screen, and he goes to the guy that's rolling when he's supposed to flare to the guy that popped, and he gets lost every time. And look, I've only been around JJ for half a year, but I just know that annoys him. And what I told you, Ocho, you got to have patience as a coach. Yes, sir. And when you go over something in film study, and then he come in the game and monk it up,

like, bro, this is why you over here. This is why you're not playing. And, Joey, I know you can speak to this. Guys that, you know, okay, you go over something and shoot around. You go over something in film study, and then you get into the game and i've been damaged you don't mess it up hey that and and that's their rookie syndrome bro that's why they don't trust them rookies in the big games and the big situations in the postseason right because you got to understand attention to details based on the defensive end knowing when to switch how to switch who to close out to who

not to close out to. And a lot of times, you know, rookies don't really understand that. It takes them a year or two to kind of figure that part out. Yeah. So, who do you think Joe needs another title more, Steph or Braun?

Oh. I'll say Braun. You think so? yeah man yeah I say Braun even though he's won one already in LA in the bubble I think him get another one I mean he already

to a lot of people you know he's their GOAT he's going to have all the records when he's done for him to capitalize and have another championship in LA, yeah. At the age of 40? What? Look what he's doing at 40. This is crazy.

We kind of get on him at times when he's not playing great, but you still have to realize that man is 40 years old and he's still out there putting up elite numbers. He's going gonna end the season averaging 24 8 and 8 at the age of 40 a a a guy that's 25 averaging 24 8 and 8 that's a max contract guy the guy's gonna get 350 he's 40 hello hello hey hey joe you think you think they

hold you think they hold lebron at a different standard obviously because of who he is what he's been able to do the the longevity, the consistency, to be in year 22, to play in the way he's playing at 40, to me, I mean, if you ask me, I think maybe Steph would be more suited to be one to maybe need another ring, as

opposed to LeBron, the way I see it, you know, despite my lack thereof exquisite knowledge of basketball it seems like his legacy is already submitted whether he wins

another one or not you talking about Steph? no I'm talking about LeBron nah I think because LeBron has been great for so long he's been in the game since he was 18

a man 40 years old yeah and he's played at a crazy level since he was 18 elite level you know what i mean so this is uh this is new to all of us you know every point that goes down for him is in history books yeah like we're looking at the leading score in nba history so i know we take you know we'll take that in in in you know you can't take that for granted for what he's doing

and you know having longevity and still playing at this high level so you know, you can't take that for granted for what he's doing and, you know, having longevity and still playing at this high level. So, you know, to some to some aspect, yeah, I want to see him win another one. OK, OK. Joe, what I tell people. Hey, hold on. Go ahead, Ocho. Hey, Joe, I got to show you the ball LeBron gave me. He signed a 50K point ball for me.

Let me see that, Joe. Oh, Ocho, you got to cut it out. You got to chill. You got to chill. You got to chill. Oh, Joe, you got to chill. You got to chill. Hey, you got to chill, my boy. Hey, you can't keep letting that man get away with his type of act, man.

That man is on his trip. Hey, you got to chill. Hey, Joe, what I tell people all the heck, man. That man is on his trip. Hey, you got to check. Hey, Joe, what I tell people all the time, when you're a great player, and I'm sure you got this, they don't compare you to other players. They compare you to yourself. As you started to get older, Joe, they say, man, I remember the 25-year-old Joe. He would have gotten that shot off.

He would have been able to get to the rim. He would have been able to get to the rim. He would have been able to draw that foul. People looking at LeBron, they don't put for zero. All they say, I remember LeBron would have rolled up, and he would have dunked it on him. I remember LeBron would have got all the way to the rim.

They're not looking at the age. All they do is compare you to a younger version of yourself. Yeah, and obviously he don't have the athleticism that he once had, but he's so cerebral and smart at this age of his game

that it's even more impressive now to watch him than it is when he was 22 or 23. Right. Yeah, so I enjoy it. I enjoy how this game has evolved and how he's kept up with the Joneses. Because when I came into the game, Oconoclo chose, guys weren't pump faking and sidestepping and none of that.

They weren't doing none of that. So, you know, he's learned all that as he's continued to play, and he's added and implemented so many different things in his game. The three ball. Because he wasn't a heavy three ball shooter when he got into the league either. Now he has the three ball. That's what really has helped him

because he's top 10 in three point shots. We don't look over 11,000 rebounds, over 10,000 assists. We know the 40 plus thousand points, but something that we never thought that we would see that LeBron James will be top 10 and three points that's crazy so the evolution guys that could evolve the greatest the greatest uh

trick to survival is adaptability yeah he had to be able to adapt to the game as it evolved and you see some of the other guys couldn't adapt to the game and even though they were pretty good players you know i was listening to mellow talk mellow say man i need to get to the game. And even though they were pretty good players, you know, I was listening to Melo talk. Melo said, man, I need to get to the mid-range. Well, they no longer wanted the mid-range because they don't value the mid-range. We need you to be a spot-up three-point shooter. We need you to be a catching three, three-point shooter.

Yeah, I think that's what's made him tough to guard because if he's making that jump shot... Oh, it's over. Yeah, it's going to be a good night for him tonight. So I think that's the key. because if he's making that jump shot, oh, it's over. Yeah. It's going to be a good night for him tonight. So I think that's the key. Like, if he sees that first one go in, you know, it's going to be a long night for the defense. So, you know, he'll have you on your heels,

because if he's making it, then you got to shake his hand. And, you know, he's had an unbelievable night from the three, you know, from these past few years, especially this year. Oh, yeah. Let's go to a game. Buddy Hill and Jarvin Rant was warned by the NBA about the finger gun situation, but again tonight,

Jar hit the game winner. Man, you know who he beat? Beat the Heat. Yeah, man. Joe, if you could look as a veteran playing 17, 18 years in this league. Yeah.

If you had an opportunity to sit down with Ja and impart some wisdom upon him, what would you tell him? I'd tell him, Ja, come, come, come spend some time with me. Come get in this hot yoga room

and we're going to zap all that little energy up out of you. And it ain't going to be none of them. We ain't going to be fine no more than this. we're going to zap all that little energy up out of you, and it ain't going to be none of them. We ain't going to be fine no more. We're going to get you right. But I think that's kind of what the NBA is lacking, honestly,

that veteran presence that can help these young guys. Because nowadays, you got guys getting drafted, and they go on the teams, and Ja is the guy who they're looking up to. You know what I mean? Ja, 23-24. He's 23-24, and these are the guys who, you know, your young guys are looking up to. You know what I mean? The job 23-24. He's 23-24, and these are the guys who, you know,

your young guys are looking up to and emulating and want to be like. So, I think you got to have older guys in that man who can really teach these dudes the ropes, show them how to be pros on and off the floor.

Yes, sir. Yeah. Hey, Joe, do you think, obviously, you think about players like that that are young, like a job, and some of the other players

that are around the league. Do you think, like a job and some of the other players that are around the league. Do you think trying to tone down some of the some of the mannerisms, some of the extracurricular activity and things they'd like to do on the court? Do you think that it will take away from their game and what makes them them being that he's so young and he can resonate with with the rest of the youth? You think that some of that some of that that that would make jaja in general yeah no i i i love it i know they're probably gonna try to ban some of the stuff but i love the antiques and celebrations and things that sort of i think that's kind of what makes the game that's what fans love to see it's just like in football when guys score they love to see the dancing and the teams come together uh the good camaraderie of teams.

And fans enjoy watching that. They don't want to just see a boring game. They want to see the excitement that comes with it. So I hope they don't eliminate or give technical fouls for all the excessiveness. Some of it is kind of warranted, but man, I ain't gonna lie,

Ocho, some of this stuff is kind of getting out of hand. I watch a lot of AAU basketball. I got an AAU program myself. And man, these kids't going to lie, Ocho, some of this stuff is kind of getting out of hand, man. I watch a lot of AAU basketball. I got an AAU program myself. And, man, these kids, as soon as they get one shot, they shoot next to your head. They'll be talking about this crazy stuff. Hey, hey, hey. They spread the whole field without Ocho. Hey, man, listen.

They shoot up the whole gym. Yeah. So I love to see the fire in them and the competitive nature that comes with it. But some of the antiques, yeah, they start fights, bro. They start fights. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Because, Ocho.

Yeah. What do the younger people see? Because think about it. All these kids now do all they do now is shoot threes. Threes, yeah. They saw stuff. Guys three, seven years old. Yeah.

They launching it. The same thing with the NFL. Whenever they see the NFL, they see the gritty. They see, hey, Ocho, remember they outlawed the throw slash. Yeah. You had kids in the high school, young kids, throw slashing. Yeah. So this is the same thing.

These kids, they want to emulate that. They want to be that. And so the NFL and the sports league say, nah, we don't, you know know we ain't trying to set that precedent right we want you to have fun and i and i get it to a certain uh certain extent but sometimes i think the players do go overboard i think they got a responsibility because these young kids look up to them you you you you're selling shoes you're selling merch you're selling things you say hey i want you i want you to support me i want you to be blah blah blah but then when we do that oh no don't do that nah them kids be bought all the way in everything you do right everything you wear how you talk what you do they follow that yeah and john and

john's polarizing man he ultimately could have been or could be the poster boy the nba and kids gravitate toward that. Like, I'll say his shoes, his clothes, how he wears hair. Like, man, I see these kids now with their dreads back up in a little ponytail. I'm like, man, listen, these people, they think they Jai out here. And because he has—the reason why they like Steph, because you see Steph like them. Steph like a regular man.

Steph 6'2". I can be Steph. John 6'2". I can't be LeBron. Man, I ain't finna be no 6'9". I ain't finna be no Shaq. I ain't finna be no Jokic. But I can be John.

I can really grow up to be 6'2". I can be Steph Curry. So that's why a lot of times people gravitate towards the smaller guys because they see themselves, I can be that. That's why Jordan and Kobe, the smaller guys, they seem to resonate. Ain't nobody say, man, I want to be Shaq. I want to be Jokic. I want to be Kareem.

Why you think nobody throw the sky hook? The most unstoppable shot that's ever been created. It ain't nobody basically threw it since he threw it. Hey, you got all these trainers out here taking these kids through drills. Nobody teach them how to shoot no skyhook man over that left shoulder.

They teach you that. They teach you that. That 20-25 step. Ha-ha. Catch that. That's what it is. Yeah. Hey, Yonk and Joe, I think I like it. I understand exactly where y'all coming from,

but when you got players like Anthony Edwards, players like John Morant, I mean, Steph is a little different just the way he carries himself. When you look at the individual's background and the image that they try to portray, there's a reason why they're special when they play the game of basketball. There's a certain way that they carry themselves.

There's a certain, um, uh, group that they try to emulate or a certain cachet in the way that they carry themselves. And they want to keep that same

that or when they play the game of basketball. And all I was saying is there's some things you can eliminate that they do in-game. I just don't want to take too much away from them that makes them who they are. There's a certain if factor with Anthony Edwards and Najam Aron that makes them who they are. And I think if you take too much and try to tone them down too much, it takes away from their game in general and what they bring.

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Not definitely everybody wore the sleeve. Allen Iverson, you couldn't go to the store and buy a 5X t-shirt because he had a Baltimore. He wasn't buying the sleeve. Allen Iverson, you couldn't go to the store and buy a 5X t-shirt because he had a Baltimore. He wasn't buying the jeans. And you couldn't find no 40 jeans because he had them on his age. He was the one that trained. They trained the dress code because of him. Because he was good. You ain't lying.

You ain't lying. I had a few of them tall tees, too. But, boy, look, I remember when the league changed the dress code. Man, look, we used to come to the plane in sweats, flip-flops, shorts. Man, they took all of it away. You had to come in that suit and it was booted. I was like, oh my God.

Hey, Joe, you remember that couple of do-rags? They had the do-rags on the tall tee. I'm like, y'all ain't finna do all these corporate sponsors, all this money we spend it, y'all have to do all these corporate sponsors, all this money we spend it. Y'all have to clean this issue. Right.

Hey, Stern, I'm going. He got everybody right. Oh, yeah. Stern, I'm going. I saw Tim Duncan come pick his MVP trophy

with flip-flops and shorts on. Oh, that's crazy. Hey, I remember those days, bro. I remember those days bro I remember those days those were good times man it kind of went

it kind of got back to that now though yeah all the guys were not coming they used to there was a time you know suit suit suit

but you know you see guys still coming with some sweat and man and man say look here I ain't spending no money on it hey I get all this free gear

I'm aware I'm aware you do it right after the game y'all called Keo Ware spending no money on it. Hey, I get all this free gear. Oh, I'm aware. I'm aware. He do it. After the game, Ja called Keo Ware, a pigeon on national television. Taylor Rooks asked Ja, tell me everything about that last possession. Ja said,

a pigeon was guarding me. Go get a bucket and win the game. Ja got it chill now. Keo Ware, my guy, he's from the crib. He's from LaRoy. Don't act like that now. Don't act like that. Don't act like that. Hey, it was a great shot.

Kaleo played great defense. It was a great shot. He made a tough shot, man. Give him his credit. I'm going to tell you what I think happened in that game. The LeGar was pissing him and impressing him so much. The LeDonovan kid. Yeah.

It kind of turned Ja'on to the point where he was trying to make a point. He kind of turned Ja'on and kind of got it going. You know what I mean? He definitely got it going in the second half. He got it going in the second half. He said they were

booing him and it kind of got to him because I think he had like 27 points in the second half and obviously hit the game winner. So that was exciting. It was a video game night for Giannis Antetokounmpo, the Greek freak, dropped a career-high assist. He became the first player in NBA history to have

35 points, 17 rebounds, 20 assists. The Bucs shot 52% from the three-point range. The Bucs are coming up a win against Tuesday in which they shot 69% from the three-point range. The Bucs are coming up a win against Tuesday in which they shot 69% from the field, which was the highest in an NBA game since 1998. And the 58

and almost 59% from the three-point range. Is there anybody, honestly Joe, is there anybody really, as well as Giannis has played, Cleveland's been the best team in the East record-wise, but is there anybody in the East record-wise, but is there anybody in the East that can challenge Boston?

Nah. Nah. But I'll tell you what, describe the season, I had the Bucs making some noise, man. I know it's been unfortunate with Dane going out, with calf injury, the blood clot thing. And, man, we

can't expect these type of numbers from Giannis every night, man. Man, he played out his mind tonight. And them other guys around him stepped up. They had to step up and make plays. I mean, his 50 head? 20. Oh, man. Yeah, he did everything right.

And you know in the postseason, they don't let you get up and down. And Giannis is like, he likes to get up and down. He sees a crack. Giannis is like a roach. He see a crack, he going to slide through it and not get away from you so you can't squash him. Every time. Hey, in the playoffs, boxing elbows, baby.

You're going to have to pass that thing. If them boys going to make eight to nine threes together, okay, we're going to live with that. But you think you're going to get to this rim and have a dunk fest all night? We are not going. Because you know when somebody has 20 assists, there are a lot of shots being made. Man.

A lot of shots being made. Yeah. I think everybody chipped in tonight. They had a bunch of guys in double figures who made quite a few threes. So, obviously, Giannis had it going if he had 35 points, 20 assists.

Right. And how many rebounds he probably had? About 18, 19? 17 rebounds. Woo-hoo! Man, them two, hey, hey,

Ojo, them two K-dumbles right there, baby. Yeah, it is. Hey, matter of fact, I want to go back to something you just said earlier, right, real quick, and it just dawned on me.

You said out the East, there's no threat for the Celtics at all. Well, if there's no threat for the Celtics at all. Well, if there's no threat for the Celtics, basically you're saying they're going back to the NBA Finals. Basically, yeah. Okay, well, if they're going back to the NBA Finals, who do you see them facing out the West?

And do they even have a threat out the West, let alone forget the East? Yeah, they got a threat out in the West, partner. They got a threat. Who that? Who partner. Yeah, they got a threat. Who that? Who we talking about? I like OKC, bro.

I like OKC, not only because they got shape, but because all them other dudes around them, they know their role, and they defend, man. They defend. They sit down. They sit in their chair and play defense, Ocho, and in the playoffs, that's what it's going to come down to. And what? They're the youngest team in the NBA. Yeah, they are.

24 years. Man, they going to be getting up and down all night. They're going to average probably 42 minutes a game in the playoffs. Right. A 48-minute ball game. He's probably barely going to sit down. They ain't going to do nothing to him. Unless they're blowing them out. And you know,

you try to blow somebody, you know, try to get some rest like that. But other than that, yeah, your best players play. The MVP race is coming down to the wire. SGA is on pace to win his first scoring title. Right now, he's at 32.9 points a game. The Thunder record 64-12. They have an outside

chance to become the third team to win 70 games in a season. OK season, OK needs to win out to join the 95-96 Bulls and the 2015-16 Warriors as the only teams in NBA history to win 70 or more games in the regular season. Meanwhile, Nikola Lokic,

Jokic, they just call him Jok, has attempted to make history becoming the third player to win four MVPs in a five-year span. Joining LeBron, 2008 to 2012, he won four. Bill Russell, 61 through 65. Unfortunately,

Yolk is not going to win the MVP, just like the first guy to average a triple-double, Oscar Robinson, didn't win the MVP in that 61-62 season. Yolk is just averaging 29.7 points a game, 12.8 rebounds a game,

10.2 assists a game, 12.8 rebounds a game, 10.2 assists a game, and he's shooting 54% from the field and 42% from the three. And unfortunately, Joe, he's not going to win the MVP. Man, that dude is balling out of control. I'm going to be honest with you. I love watching him play. I love how he plays at his own pace. And he make guys around him better, too. He's a willing passer,

which makes him harder to guard because you know if you double team him, he's going to give it right up. And them dudes making shots around him. But to be honest, my pick would be Shea, too. I enjoy watching Shea. I love his poise and patience

throughout the game. And like I say, defensively, he's always going to be tops and steals. He sits down and plays defense as well. I love both players, man, but if I had to vote, mine would probably be Shady. You know what's going to happen? It's going to be the same

situation. Like we go back to Joe and I being a student of the game. You go back and look at that 61-62 season. Bill Russell won the MVP, but that was the year that Wilt averaged 50-25. That was the first year Oscar had a 30-point triple-double.

Jared West averaged 30. Elgin Baylor was 30-18. Connie, you go back and look at, that was the, statistically, that was the greatest offensive season on record. Go back and look at those guys and look at the numbers. You're like, hold on. And when you hear, like, we'll average.

How much did he average? 50 and what? We'll average 50 and 25. No MVP. Oscar, 30-point. 50 and 25? Yes. And he didn't win the MVP.

Bill Russell won the MVP. Bill Russell won the MVP that season. But Jared West was like 36-8. Who else? Elgin Baylor. Elgin Baylor averaged like 27-18. Walt Bellamy.

I mean, the numbers were crazy. You're going to look at the top six guys in the MVP race and probably any other year, they win it. But Russell won it that year. And I think we're going to go back

25, 30 years from now, they're going to pull up Nikola Jokic's numbers and they're going to say, ain't no way in hell. If he didn't win the MVP, who did? Because that's the conversation we're having now. Like you said, hold on. Will average 50 and 25 and didn't win the MVP? Nope.

Boston, Bill Russell and them must have been putting bells to ass. They won eight straight titles. So, yeah, they told everybody they were tearing everybody up. Yeah. And then we'll say, y'all were playing with me. Then he came back and averaged 44-27 the next year. Just to let y'all know it wasn't a fluke. Ocho.

Yeah. Joe. What's up? We talked about this a couple of years ago. Last year, Ocho, is that Mello was feeling some type of way, he said, because they gave the 15 to Jokic. And I said, Joe, bro, they took this man in the second round, and when he got drafted, they were doing a Taco Bell commercial.

They had no idea he was going to turn out to be this, because if they had, then it took his ass in the first round. You don't run the risk of a transcendent player and taking him in the second round if you think you're going to do anything. But unfortunately, they're not going to remember Carmelo Ward at 15. That number

belongs to Nikola Jokic. I mean, it shouldn't be. Listen, as great as Nikola's playing right now. Hold on. I'm not erasing what Carmelo did in that 15. That man got three MVPs in the finals MVP. I tell you what, Joe. Who won 34?

Who won 34 in Milwaukee before Giannis? Ray Allen. Do you remember Ray Allen in 34? Oh, Joe. Exactly. Okay. Exactly. Hey, hey, hey. He was a bad boy with that 34. He was. Exactly. Exactly.

He was a bad boy with that 34. He was. Yes. Yes. But you look at what Giannis is doing. Right. That's what I like about us sometimes. Sometimes we become a prison of the moment and we forget what those

before us actually did. Listen, i listen i understand i love what joker's doing i love it but we talk about the other 15 we talk about that we talk about mr mid-range huh in 10 years mr put the shoulder put the shoulder in your chest i get all that i get all that i get all that in 10 years ain't nobody gonna to remember that. Just like you don't remember Ray Allen wore 34 in Milwaukee because of what Giannis is doing. Do you realize what, Ocho, I don't think you realize what this man is doing. Joe, you played 18, 19 years.

You know. I studied the game. I've been following this game since 77, 78. And I know a lot of the history, what Jokic is doing. I'm sorry, Ocho. Yeah. And I know a lot of the history, what Jokic is doing. I'm sorry, Ocho. Yeah. Hey, CB, y'all think the big man going to ever come back? No.

The big man? Oh, yeah, if he can shoot. No. He got to be able to shoot the three? Two, three. He got to be like a Jokic. Yeah. You got to be one of those big.

You talk about the big, they just run his ass down to the block and play with his back to the basket. Yeah. Call for the bone? No, the game has changed. The game has changed. That's over, Joe. Hey, but I'm saying, you know,

once in a while, you know, every hour we get a guy who come in, he made, you know, he built a little different from everybody else. I think if you can dominate, you know, you know, be the size of a seven-footer who's just unguardable down there, it'll come back. But now they don't train for it no more. Those guys work on their postgame for real.

They all doing pick and pops, shooting threes from different spots. So the game is totally different. They don't even raise them like that no more. Yeah. Think about it. Look at Zach Eady. Man, you saw Zach Eady training. He's shooting threes. He's seven about it. Look at Zach Eady. Man, you saw Zach Eady training. He's shooting three. He's 7'4".

Look at Wimby. Wimby's 7'4 and a half. He's 7'5 with shoes. And he ain't playing with his back to the basket. It's over, Joe. It's over. And you got a guy 7'5 and he ain't playing with his back to the basket. I like Wimby, though. I like Wimby though I like Wimby

he's a I do too he's a freak of nature bro like they don't come like that nope guys look I was in

as a matter of fact I got a Carmelo signed jersey from him when he was a rookie I know what Carmelo is but I don't think you understand what you witnessed

with Nikola Jokic he's a three time league MVP and he did something that Melo didn't do, which is take this team to an NBA title, and he was Finals MVP, and it was no question. Let me ask you a question. At any point in time in Melo's tenure in Denver, was he the best player in the league? You're looking at the undeniable best player in basketball, and he's been that for the last four to five years. Right.

I'm not sorry to cut you off, but he probably won the best in the league, but that mother was a handful of guns. Yes. We're not denying that. We're not denying that. You're right. But when he in the league at Kobe, okay, you got Braun. Was he ever better than Braun?

No, he wasn't. Maybe if you want to say his rookie year, okay, you got Braun. Was he ever better than Braun? No, he wasn't. Maybe if you want to say his rookie year, Shannon, he was better. But after that, he's never been better than Braun. And then you get KD. Now you got Steph. Now you got James Harden.

Who better than Jokic? Even though Shea gonna win the MVP, I'm not taking Shea over Jokic. I'm not taking Giannis. I'm not taking Joel Embiid. I'm not taking nobody over 1-5 in Denver currently. Right.

And you're sticking to it. Oh, I'm on that? Damn. That man gave you a 64 triple-double. A 64 triple-double. That's video game numbers. That was impressive. That was impressive.

And hold on, didn't he just give you, he just gave you the other day a 30-20-20 game just about a month ago. Mm-hmm. He just, I mean, and like you said, Joe,

I mean, you look at it, you're like, oh, you know what happened? You look at this dude, like, oh, I'm going to give him buckets. Oh, yeah. And next thing you know, you look up there,

he done dropped 40, 15, 18 on you. 18 on you listen ain't gonna be able to jump two three inches off the floor no he gonna get to it he gonna get to it hey that man smart he's cerebral he know how to use his body his eye his eye his iq for the game yeah it's crazy yeah like uh when you watch him play man he just you don't know whether he's been a pass shoot But whatever he does he does it at an efficient level. Yeah, and think about this Ain't another all-star on his team It's another it's not another all-nba player on his team not russ But russ is far removed from being that he won a title with no all-nba and no all-star

He doesn't have an all-NBA defender on his team. He doesn't have a Defensive Player of the Year on his team. He doing that. Yeah. But he got some great pieces around him now. With Gordon and Porter and Murray, all those dudes know they rose and they all explode. I know you're going to be consistent in this play, especially in the postseason, but those guys can win you a playoff series

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When they get into that pick and roll, and he pick it and pop it, and Murray do it, he dancing on you, and sidestep you and hitting threes, and he can get to the rim, and he can finish above the rim. When they playing, they hard to beat. And now you got Michael Porter Jr., he sidestepping and hitting threes.

You got Gordon, he can hit threes, and we know he can finish above the rim. Yeah, and I think with those two guys don't get a lot of credit, Porter and Gordon is defensively, you can't go at them dudes. Them dudes hold they own defensively. yeah and i think i think with those two guys don't get a lot of credit for them gordon is defensively you can't go with them dudes them dudes hold their own defensively you know they play big they play big and great moments for for them but so when they run into the lakers or the suns they got guys who can match up with katie and lebron and make the make your life uh

tough because because gordon is six eight with a big body yeah so that's what he could do so because lebron could damn the bully everybody yeah but gordon gordon might outweigh it right and so it's hard for him to bully and play through him right yeah yeah so he's like you know what i'm gonna make you're gonna have to you know you know what if you beat me shooting three then you beat me in the mid-range i'm just not gonna let you pull i'm not gonna let you fade it to the rim and they don't a just not going to let you fade into the rim. And a lot of times they don't bring help because they know if you bring help, Bron knows where that help is coming from.

And he's going to be able to skip that ball to the open guy. Every time. Yes, sir. But the thing is, you're going to probably have two 15s up in the Raptors in Denver. And that's the only way to do it. Okay. You think Denver is going to retire Melo Jersey?

But here's the thing. Most people know him as a Kn, Cubs. Okay. You think Denver's going to retire Melo Jersey? But here's the thing. Most people know him as a Knick. Yeah. Yeah. I think New York will. And they know him as a Knick. Yeah. And then how he forced his way out of Denver.

There are a lot of people that probably, I mean, ownership, he forced his way out of there. And what he didn't realize in the process of going to New York and what he thought he was going to have, you forced him to give up everything. So now you're there by yourself. You're there by yourself. Because none of the pieces, they had to get up off of Gallinari. They had to get up off all those pieces.

Yeah, he had to give up them pieces. And he got Amari, what year? Probably his second or third year now? Yeah. Excuse me. Yeah. But I think the Knicks are definitely going to retire his jersey. They should. Yeah, Yolkman kind of took over that number 15 in Denver, man,

and he's been impressive, bro. I know that. I definitely didn't see it. I got a chance to play against him a few times, and I ain't seen nothing. Did you think he was going to be this? When you played, because you called him early, did you think he was going to be this? Nah, he was good then, but he wasn't seen nothing. Did you think he was going to be this? When you played, because you called him early, did you think he was going to be this? Nah, he was good then, but he wasn't like this.

Like, man, it's like every night he's just missing consistency. Something different. So you know he's going to put up a triple-double. You know he's going to have probably 30, 40 points. It's just if the guys around him are going to pitch in and give him some help, whether they're going to win or not. I think that's been the biggest thing. Who's going to be consistent for Yolk?

Yeah. You know, especially when it comes to the postseason. I don't know. It's something about Luka. It's something about Yolk. The way they play the game, it's so slow, so methodical. You can't speed up their game. They play at their own pace.

And they're so efficient when they're shooting. Every single time. Never in every single time never in a rush never in a rush poison patience at its finest man i love watching him and i think the thing i think the thing is is that when you're not as athletic as those guys you have to develop fine ways to score they're not jumping over everybody they're not jumping over anybody they're not going to run around anybody. So what are the other ways that I can be able to score? What are the other ways that I can get to my spot?

I can't let you speed me up because now I'm getting outside of my body because that's not the way I'm built. So I think for those two guys, they both can shoot the three, and they can shoot it at an efficient level. So you have to get out there. So once they get a step on you and get by you, they in-between game with them little floating touch shots that Jokic got and Luka got,

that's where it comes into play. Being able to see the corners out the peripheral of your vision and making guys around you better. That's why they're so hard to guard, man. They are super unselfish. But at the same time, once they find a little crease in your defense, when they get into the teeth of your defense, they cause all kind of havoc with those little touch floaters and things like that. So that's why they're a tough matchup.

And they know how to draw fouls. There we go. They know how to face. Yeah, bait you in the fouls. Once Luka gets a step on you, he's going to stop. So you can kind of run into the back of him and let you run. Both of them use

their body real well. Hey, it's like, you know, a joke, hey, somebody won't let you get over, I speed up, get in front, and slam on the brakes. Right? That's exactly how they play. Hey, Joe, I had that happen.

I told Ocho last year. I had that happen to me. I was at the light, the stoplight, the light turned green, and so I see the light turn green, so I start to go, but the guy in front of me didn't move. Man, we pulled to the side. He pulled over to the side. There was a guy

at the tow truck at the 7-Eleven. He had the tow truck. He come over there. He's like, hey, Shadow Sharp, how you doing, man? He heard him say, Shadow Sharp. Dude grabbed his neck and fell right in the middle of the road. Get out of here. I said, come on, man.

Get out of here. He grabbed the back of his neck, fell down the road. They called an ambulance to come get him. Hold on. You hit him? You ran to the back of him? Going two miles an hour. I did $200 worth of damage.

I broke the license plate on the back of his car. Hey. Hey. He was fine until the guy told him my name. Wasn't nothing wrong. He's like, hey. The moment he heard Shannon Sharp, that's going to grab the back of his neck. Hey, what'd you say?

He fell out in the middle of the road? Right there beside the road. Oh're going to grab the back of his neck. Hey, would you say he fell out in the middle of the road? Right there on the side of the road. Oh, man. Oh. The man put that neck brace on for two weeks just in case

everybody was watching him. Oh. He got the collection. That's funny. And then, he tried to sue me and then told me, well, I'll settle for

$2,000 and some memorabilia signs. I said, F you. Hey, that's, though, bro. Joe, let me ask you this. Give me your all-time starting five. Joe Johnson, you the head coach. Give me your starting five. All-time. So past

and present. All-time starting five. All-time. I'm going... I like big guards. I'm a big guard. I grew up watching Penny Hardaway. I'm going to put Penny at guys. I'm a big guy. I grew up watching Penny Hardaway. I'm going to put Penny at the one. Okay. Okay.

I'm going to put MJ at the two. Okay. I'm putting Braun at the three. Okay. I'm putting Big KG. I'm putting Ticket at the four. Okay. I like that.

And I'm putting Shaggy at the five. I like that. That's a good list. God damn. You left Magic out there at the point, and you left Tim Duncan. Hey, I love all of them. I can only go with five. I ain't got no five.

I ain't got no five. That's my five. That's my five. That's my five. I actually left. Did I leave Kobe on for that? You left Kobe. Yeah, you left Kobe on. You put Jordan at the two.

I'm a huge Kobe fan. I had to go with MJ. I went with MJ. What you want me to do, O2? Talk to me. Who your five? Who your all-time five? Magic.

At the one. Jordan. Braun. Duncan. Kareem. You got Kareem over Shaq? I do. I don't think Kareem can do nothing with Shaq.

What Shaq going to do with Kareem? Who going to stop that Skyhook? Okay, so both of them got 40? You know ain't nobody blocking that Skyhook. You ain't seen nobody block that skyhook? Okay, so both of them got 40? You ain't nobody blocking that skyhook. You ain't seen nobody block that skyhook. I ain't seen nobody block that skyhook. But, you know, I think we're in play. I just, you know, obviously, I wasn't really watching.

I wasn't around at the time. But I see Shaq, man. I played against Shaq. I'm talking about at his apex. I'm talking about, man, there was no stopping that dude. I'm talking about, I don't care what you did. You was stopping it. Yeah.

Hey, my team going to blow the doors off you. You think so? Oh, yeah. Oh, no. No, I ain't going. I ain't going. You said blow the doors. Yeah.

He had Hardaway. He had Jordan. We both got Jordan. If you tell me I can't pick Jordan, I'll take Kobe. If you say, hey, I already got MJ, I'll take Jordan. Man, MJ ain't letting them follow. Hey, now, if you say, well, I already got LeBron, I'm going to take Bird. So if I'm taking an all-time, you say, okay, who your all-time starting five?

I'm going to say Magic, Jordan, Bron in the three, Duncan at the four, and Kareem at the five. You took Penny at the one, Jordan at the two, LeBron at the three, Ticket at the four, Shaq at the five. Man, we're going to be a good game. Now, y'all going to lose, huh? Hey, hey, hey, Chad, we're going to put it up. Hey, hey, hey, put it up there. Put it up there. We're going to see who team they think going to win.

I know I got all going to lose. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Not with Magic. Yeah, I know Magic got I was gonna miss nah nah nah nah not with Magic yeah I know Magic gonna control the game I feel like I think I honestly think

him and Penny gonna kind of cancel each other out I just don't think and I know you're gonna say Magic got what five rings and Penny ain't got none

but I'm talking about Penny at his apex he was he was proud he was almost better than Jordan like he was selling more he was selling more product than MJ at one point mmhmm I'm talking about Penny at his apex. He was almost Benny Jordan. He was selling more product than MJ at one point.

With that little penny, dog. Hey, Joe, when them phone pauses came out, that Galaxy Blue or Royal Blue, them phone pauses came out. Man. Hey, look. Him and MJ still making big money off of Magic, positive. Man. Hey, look. Hey, look. MJ still making big money off of Magic, boy. Absolutely. Oh, yeah. They done changed the game. Absolutely.

All right, Joe. You want to talk about... Joe has a yoga studio. What's the studio called? Iso Yoga. We've been open for a little over a year now. I got into high yoga. Huh? Yeah, Bik yoga. Bikram.

Huh? Bikram? Yeah, Bikram. Bikram style, 26 and 2. I got into it in 2009. I dealt with a lot of injuries, tendinitis, things of that sort. And I was just looking for a way to heal myself, bro. And getting in that hot room, letting that heat penetrate your muscles, joints, tendons, things of that sort.

It was beneficial for me and I just try to right now I try to get a lot of the young guys in, get it started early, 14, 15 years old a lot of young athletes because it'll improve performance decrease injuries

which is huge and enhance cardiovascular things of that sort and I just try to help these dudes man along the way so which is huge, and enhanced cardiovascular, things of that sort. And I just try to help these dudes, man, along the way. So, you know, you can find different ways to kind of challenge yourself and be a better athlete, you know what I mean? Are you on IG? How do they find you? Yeah, we're on Instagram, Iso Yoga.

You can look us up. We're right in the midtown of Atlanta, right across from Asley's Mall. I'm in there pretty much every day. And, man, we have a great, great community who comes out and shows us so much love and support. And it's been amazing because this has been a challenge for me. I played...

I've been playing basketball since I was, man, what, 14, 15 years old. And now I finally, you know, it's a slowdown for me. And now I got a chance to kind of have a job to some degree. You know, I go out there and kind of, you know, as we have different people who come in the studio to take class, whether it's Pilates, whether it's yoga, because we got Pilates as well. Right. We got cryotherapy. We got red light therapy.

So people come in there for different reasons. And I implemented all this into yoga because this is what I used on a day-to-day basis when I was playing professional basketball. I like the Bricram yoga. I like Bricram. Joe, it was just so hard because I'm a sweater. It was just so hard for me to stay hydrated. Right. letter it was just so hard it's so it's so hard for me to stay hydrated right so i would just like 30 minutes in the class i'm locked up because i don't i don't go through a gallon i don't go

through a gallon of water joe and i but let me ask you this and also do you find that you're still able to get into it because i know when you warmed up you're really warm you can really get in those get into those poses do you find that that you're still able to get your muscles still and you're still able to be as flexible when the temperature is not as hot? Nah, that's my thing. So I try regular yoga. See, when I was in college, Coach Nolan Richardson up in Fayetteville, Arkansas, playing for the Razorbacks, he used to have this lady come by,

and she would do yoga with us on the court, but it was cold. You know, I couldn't really, I was never flexible dude. So I couldn't really get into it like that. So when I became a professional athlete, it was brought to me. Yeah, I can't do the just room temperature. I got to be in the heat, man. I need, I'm a heat junkie. I got to be in the heat because my muscles and joints opens up and I just feel so much better.

Man, I like that. This is funny. You know, Joe, I played for, you know, 11, 12 years, but I ain't never had no injuries. I never got hurt. So I never did anything, you know, like yoga, Pilates. And honestly, I can't sit still that long unless it has anything, unless it has to do with gaming, you know, playing FIFA, playing Call of Duty, playing Madden, playing 2K, I can't sit there long. Then you've added the element of it being hot in there,

you know? So now, me, who now, I'm 57. I have never done nothing like that, but now I'm interested in trying it, you know? You gotta chill. You gotta chill. You gotta chill. You gotta chill. You gotta chill for real. I'm serious.

Listen, you be having a lot going through your head. Nah, nah. You know what? You just can't be still. You just can't be in a hot room and be still and just be calm. I can't. I can't. I can't.

But this is what we do. I'm coming to Atlanta. He need to be able to fake a live on the moon. Yeah, I got it. And we in the yoga, he's stationed there too long. Yeah. And his body. But listen,'s stationed there too long. And his body... But listen, this is what I'm doing.

The body benefits through movement, but the mind benefits through stillness. So you have to practice it, man. You have to practice stillness when you... Because see, when you be in that high room, you're going to be under a lot of... You're going to be under some stress. But the thing is, everybody's under stress.

We all just handle it a little differently. You know what I mean?, everybody's under stress. We all just handle it a little differently. You know what I mean? Yes, sir. And that's the thing. That's the part of yoga mentally that takes you to a place

probably you've never been, bro. Like, it makes you, it increases the focus and concentration. I think when it comes to athletics, especially. But yeah, it helps out tremendously.

I've tried it all, Joe. I've done Bikram. I've, it helps me out tremendously in that respect. I tried it all, Joe. I've done Bikram. I've done Astanga. I've done Pilates with the mega reformers. I've done it all. I tried everything. That's why when I walked away from the game,

I didn't look back because I know I had invested all from yoga to Bikram to Astanga to Pilates to the way I trained to the way I ate. I ain't got nothing else to give. It kept you right. It kept you strong. It did. It did.

I was flexible. I still had to have both heels replaced, Joe. But, hey, you know what? I might check it out. I might play through there. Man, y'all come down here. Hold on. I'm coming.

Come holler at me. I got you. I'm going to take care of y'all, man. I'm going to get y'all right. Hey, look. Ocho SVA's baby wants to be able to move around. Oh, hey, hey, hey. Joe, listen. Come holler at me. I got you. I'm going to take care of y'all, man. I'm going to get y'all right. Hey, look, Ocho, as we age, baby, we want to feel better, move around. Oh, hey, hey, hey. Joe, listen, what?

Let me tell you something. You see? I take one of these right here. I take one of these fobs. I can move now. Hey, I can move. Joe. Joe.

Hey, Ocho, I don't need to do anything for this right here. That's all I need to move and I need to do. What other stuff? You talking about Joe? I don't need to do all that. You're doing too much now. Hey, Joe. Man, we appreciate you joining us, man. Come back and join us again

soon, man. Damn. I'm ready. Hey, hey, I appreciate y'all, man. Much love. Thank you, man. Thank y'all for all the time. I appreciate that. Hey, by the way, Joe, your team won. Whose team is better? You beat me 60-60, 60-34. I told you. I know a little bit.

I know a little bit. Appreciate you, Joe. Okay, that was good. That was good. That was great, man. I see it from time to time around here. When I come back to Atlanta, I do see him from time to time. But I'm going to check his place out next time I come to Atlanta.

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