Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Joel Embiid drama, Everybody hates Draymond Green, Jeff Teague shades PG13

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and J.R. Smith react to Tyrese Maxey calling out Joel Embiid during Philadelphia 76ers team meeting after their 4th straight loss. Later, Unc, Ocho and J.R. react to Golden State Warriors’ Draymond Green saying people want him suspended because of the NBA’s low ratings and he calls out Memphis Grizzlies HC Taylor Jenkins for being “soft,” Jeff Teague calls Philadelphia 76ers Paul George the "Tobias Harris” of the team and much more!03:13 - Show start03:45 - Intro06:26 - Cavs v Pelicans28:10 - Grizz v Sixers56:00 - Teague calls Paul George the Tobias Harris of the 76ers1:04:00 - Draymond Green(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ask the game. I was on the game team at Drew League in L.A. in Comden. I dropped 32. How you get to be 56 if you born in 78? No, I'm just, okay. Now, he asked my age. asked me can we go let me finish this intro man we're getting here thank you for joining for another episode of nightcap i am your favorite up shadow shark bottom right he's your favorite 85 he's from liberty city he's a bingo ring of fame honoree he's a pro bowler he's's an all-pro. He's Chad Ocho

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I ain't going to lie. I've been looking for him since Memphis. We played the St. Jude a couple years back. He won the John. I said, oh, nah, I want to smoke with him. He was talking cold trash, too, at the little reception. Got his trophy, stood up there, poked his chest out. I said, oh,

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after dropping the game last night to the Boston Celtics. They beat the Pelicans. Hell, I don't know. Hey, Swish, I think we could go play for the Pelicans because I didn't know not one person in that starting line except Peyton. The Cavaliers led by as many as 34 points. They're unbeaten at home, nine games. Donovan Mitchell played only 20 minutes.

Evan Mobley logged just 18. But they blow out the Pelicans, 128 to 100, and they look to be for real. I understand they dropped last night. I still think the Celtics are the best team in the NBA, considering their depth. But the Cavaliers, I believe the Cavaliers are going to be there. We know the Sixers are not.

We're going to talk about the Sixers a little later, Swish. The Sixers are not what we thought they were going to be. The Knicks are still trying to figure it out. Milwaukee got back on the winning track. They look good tonight, Giannis was incredible tonight, but Swish when you look at the Cavaliers, what do you like so much about what you see from the Cavaliers?

I mean the thing to me that sticks out the most about the Cavs is like they got two superstars that can take over the game and it reminds me a lot about how Bron and Kai used to do, they Kai used to do. They literally used to take turns.

And the way Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland just take over the game and then their supporting cast around them just fits in because nobody's trying to outdo one another. They're just trying to do their job at the end of the day. And when you got guys playing like that and you got a coach like Kenny that you want to play for, it makes it easy. It makes the game that much easier. But to go back to that Pelicans thing, man, I went to the game last night when they played Dallas

and we definitely could play. Ocho, you could get 32 in that game. You could have got 32. I'm 32 any game, but go ahead. I got you. I get 32 any game. Yeah, I wish I agree with you. Because last year it seemed like Garland, because Mitch had just got there, they had a hard time cohabitating together.

It seemed like Garland played better when Mitch wasn't on the court. Mitch could take the game over when Garland wasn't on the court. Obviously, Mobley and Jared Allen is going to do what they do. You got two seven-footers. He's going to command the paint. Jared Allen's going to be rim protect. Mobley's a nice defender, but he stepped his game up. Mid-range game. Can shoot the three. So I

like what they have. You know, you got a veteran in Tristan Thompson. You got Niang that can shoot the three. He had an unbelievable night tonight. He had six of 12 from the three-point line, and that's what you need. But for them to get off to this start, I don't think anybody saw this coming. Everybody thought with the addition of Paul George at Philly,

they were going to be good with Carl Anthony Townsend. They still can. It's early in the season, Ochoa. What are they in? Yeah, very early. Probably 16, 17, less than 20 games into the season. We see the Knicks, they're winning. They were up by like 16 on the Suns minus KD.

And so the Knicks are going to take some time for them to blend Carl Anthony in. The Heat, they up and down, but I think when it's all said and done, they'll probably be there at the end. But I think everybody's in unanimity here that we believe the Celtics are the best team in the East. Go ahead, Ochoa. Are the Celtics the best team in the East because they started off the season so well, or are you basically basing the best team in the East simply because

they won the championship last year? Nah, they're the best team. You look at what they can throw at you. JT and JB can go get you 34th in a given night. You look at Derrick White and Holiday, great defenders that can chip in with somewhere between 15, 20 in a given night. Now, mind you, and holiday great defenders that can chip in with somewhere between 15 20 on the given night now mind you pausing us is really not playing right and they got they got pritchard coming off the bench they're deep they're they're legit they're they're for real and the thing is i think in order for them to be they want to be thought of as a great team they

don't want to waste these guys in their youth you got jt you got jb you got these guys in their in their youth they're like let's try to stack a couple of these things let's try to get two three or four of these things so when it's all said and done because if you just get one championship with these guys you wasted it because you drafted both of them they got an opportunity to come up you made trades early on you brought in derrick white you got in. So if you only win one championship, Swish, with this team, you underachieved. But then that brings my next question. Hey, Swish, you could probably answer this.

I mean, I'll give you the answer, too. So how many championships do you think they can get? So in comparison, excuse my lack of knowledge of the game of basketball, when I think about the Lakers, when Shaq and Kobe were paired together and they were able to have that run, but a rift between the two, whatever it might be, caused them to break up because they could have won multiple. They could have won many

more, maybe two or three more if they had stayed together. Do you think it's the same thing for the Celtics? I don't think so. I don't think so either, Swish. Go ahead, Swish. I'll let you ask it first. I don't think so. I think they think so either, Swish. Go ahead, Swish. I'll let you ask it first. I mean, I don't think so. I think they're very fond of one another. They have a genuine relationship,

and they really care about one another to me. And I think the only thing that really breaks it up is if the team falls into a situation to where they can't pay a guy or two. And if you fall in those situations, then I can really make a ruffle in the team falls into a situation to where they can't pay a guy or two. And if you fall in those situations, then that can really make a ruffle in the team, depending on, then that's where you see how good your GM is.

You know what I'm saying? Because that's what Oklahoma City did a great job with that so many, you know, over the years, continuously picking great guys and San Antonio that just fit their system. And no matter who comes in and out of that position, they find a guy, a blue guy, in those certain positions to where there ain't much you can do.

Yeah, I think you got to maximize this opportunity switch within the next three years because these contracts are going to come due. I mean, JB making $300 and JT making $300. That's going to be next contract is going to be $400. You got Holiday making $130. You got Derek White making $130. Przingis is going to want money. Yeah.

And so you're probably going to lose Przingis' free agency. Al bought a big sit-down. Yeah, big Al is going to take whatever because he's happy. He likes the situation. He's winning when you play that long a switch. Now, maybe he's looking for one last payday, but he's made a lot of money. He got paid max dollars in Atlanta.

He got paid big dollars to go to Boston. He got more money to go to Philly. Yeah, but I'm not even talking about money. I'm just talking about being able to sit down. Like, sure, he won a championship. He getting up in his age. He might want to stay. He's a person

and personality that can take a front office job somewhere. He might want to, you know, take a back seat. Yeah. And so I think that's the biggest thing, Ocho. I don't see Kobe. I think, and I could be wrong, but you were like around

it, Swish. You kind of saw it. I think you were just coming into the league. But when you look at it, Kobe needed his own team. Kobe had gotten tired of playing second fiddle. And a lot of times that's what happens. Second what? Huh? Second fiddle.

It was Shaq. Shaq was winning the finals MVP. They were saying that Shaq was... We saw what Kobe was doing. 20, 30, 18, 35, and 22. Yeah, Shaq was looking good with Shaq averaging the finals. He was 38 and 16. He was 35

and 17. Man, God rest his soul. Kobe was that man, but that was Shaq T. Yes! And so he wanted and could... hey look, had Shaq stayed in better if Shaq could have maintained his weight and conditioning

let's just say for another three to four years, they know they underachieved because you won't ever see a duo like that again. A guard and a big. You won't see it again. Not like Shaq. No. Not like Kobe though. Shaq can tell you he underachieving. You won't see it again. Not like Shaq. Shaq will tell you he

underachieved and he didn't take it as personal or as serious as Kobe did. And that's what their major frustration was. That's what Kobe's frustration was. You got somebody that big and that dominant. He's like, bro, if you just worked out a little bit, you just did something.

He's out here in and out, chilling with Uncle Rome, you know what I mean? You just do a shoot of movies and do what you gotta do, bro. We trying to win six, seven of these things. If they should have, if they should have won more than three. Yeah.

You heard what you said about, as far as the Celtics being able to keep their, the core players, the core players intact. And at some point, players are going to want to get paid well hell but shouldn't the celtics always be all right as long as they they have tatum and they have jb and long as you be able to build around those two you should be fine and right oh joe but you got to realize you think about it they're paying a billion dollars in salary you got two guys on your roster, 300 million plus. The next contract

is what's going to be, Ocho, 400 million plus. So that's 800 million. They young, too. Jason Tatum just turned 26, Ocho. 26! He might catch another two max deals in five, six years.

So you think about it and look holiday holiday. They just, I think they just locked up holiday. We just lost Jr, but he'll, he'll be back shortly. They just locked up holiday. What did they give holiday four years for like one 20,

one 30, but it's like 30 plus a year. Derek White got like one 30 a year. And so when you, when you factor that in, it's like, hold on. We like winning championships, a year. Shit. And so when you factor that in, Ocho, it's like, hold on. We like winning championships, but dang.

Yeah. At some point in time, Ocho, I want to try to win a championship, but I want to cut the cost. Oh, they ain't going to put it like that, huh? They're just not going to put it like that. So Holiday got four years, $134. What did Derek White get?

He got four years, 118. So that's 252 right there. You got a $306 million guy. So that's over $500 million. And now you got another $318 guy. So you're over $ million. And now you got another 318 guy. So you're over $800 million with four guys.

There's 12 to make up a roster. You got Przingis. Przingis probably making 30. What is Przingis? He's got to be at least 25 to 30 a year. You got two years, 60. So that's 30 million. Right.

So now you're pretty close to nine. You throw it out. What did Al get? Al making 15. That's a 900 million right there. With six guys. You got another six guys. But look, it's paying dividends, though.

It's paying off. It's paying off. But see, here's the thing. They already want to sell it because the value is high. You just won a championship. And they see where this thing is going now. You see where it's going. These prices ain't coming down. Hey, this is

the last year of the old TV deal. Next year is the new TV deal. That's more money. So they're like, you know what? We bought for low. Hey, we good. Let somebody else worry about it. And so that's kind of where it's headed right now.

Let me know if they need a 10-day. You must be in a silo. I'm trying to fix it. I'm trying to get through that. We hear you, but we don't see you. The Cavs bounced back last night from a 121-17 loss in Boston last night. We got this stats, Ash? You put the game stats up?

The first loss of the season. So now they're 16-1. They were 15-0. They lost last night 15-1. Now they're 16-0, but they're undefeated at home. It was a very good game. Jason Tatum did Jason Tatum type things. I think he dropped 32 last night.

If you can find that game from last night. Boston, Cleveland. Put it up on the iPad. It was yesterday, Jordan. Bear with us, guys. While J.R. tries to fix his... It's cold in here, boy.

Oh. What, in the hotel room? Yeah, man. I'm in New York. I'm in New York, and I can't find what I'm... You know, they put me York I'm in New York and I can't find you know they put me in this little boutique hotel I can't find nothing in here

nah that's one thing them little chic boutique hotels I don't be liking them you know I'm set up in the bathroom yeah I remember one time I was in the room I could just roll over and brush my teeth Yeah. Lil' Ass Run was $800 a night. They should be ashamed of themselves. Yeah, man. I remember one time I was at a room, Ocho.

Hell, I from the bed. I could just roll over and brush my teeth. I said, what kind of boy? I said, but what kind of boy? What kind of boy job is this, man? Hey, JR, I'm in the bed brushing my teeth. Laying down watching TV. Put my toothbrush under the sink.

Hey. Listen, it's smart. It's cute. I don't know if that's the right word to use listen, it's smart. It's cute. I don't know if that's the right word to use for a boutique hotel. It's cute. It looks, you know, very modern. But, listen, I could touch the wall and touch the door. Yes!

Oh, Joe. See, people think I'm lying. Oh, Joe, I'm literally, I can open the door from the bed. I didn't even have to get up. I mean, I'm like, what? Oh, but you know, it had little square fixtures and it had all the little glasses.

Look, I want to sleep. That don't do me no good with my eyes closed. Mm-hmm. But switch last night, the Celtics won 120-117. You got 33 points from Jason Tatum. You got 20 from Big Al. You got 11 from Holiday.

You got 19 from Derek White. You got 17 from JB. And you got 13 from Peyton Pritchard. Peyton Pritchard, people don't give him enough credit. But he comes off the bench. He's a little spark plug. Yeah, for sure. He's going to give you great defensive play.

He's going to get you somewhere. But he's going to get you 10 a night. But he's not going to hurt you, though. This is big. He's not going to give you great defensive play. He's going to get you somewhere, but he's going to get you 10 a night. But he's not going to hurt you, though. This is big. He's not going to hurt you. He's going to get you extra possessions. He's going to knock down big shots. Be consistent.

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53 as a game that's crazy like bro I ain't gonna lie I shot 21 or 22 in the game one time but it was all

wide open looks they were doubling Braun they were doubling K-Lo they were doubling Kyle I was just out there

and it was getting open looks. But to be able to shoot 10, 12 a game, when I first came into the league, to shoot 6 was a lot. You shoot 12 to 13 a game

as one player, and then a team you shoot 50, that's, man, I played the wrong era. I played the wrong era. They. I played the wrong era. They got up 60 the other night, JR. They shot 61 threes as a team. The Celtics shot 61 threes the other night. Oh, my God. They had to win.

Oh, my God. 61. Yeah, I mean, because you look at it, JT was 6 of 10. Al was 4 of 5, Holiday was 3 of 4, Derek White was 4 of 7, Brown didn't shoot the ball from 3 very well, he was 2 of 7, but Pritchett was 3 of 6, and Hauser.

Hauser's another guy that can come in and let the 3 ball go. He can get streaky hot and make 4 of 5 coming off the bench. He was 0 of 2. So they were 22 of 41 from the three-point line. It's only three people and all those people that you named that I know for sure, like, know exactly who that is. Bro, in order to be able to shoot those type of shots and be able

to play, that's incredible, man. That's incredible because Byron Scott ain't going for it. Him, George Carl, they ain't going for it. K-Mart, you shooting threes? Oh, hell nah.

Hey, Lee, you shooting threes? Oh, hell nah. That many threes going up? Man, you better be making them. They better be making 50%. Man, I remember when they first instituted the three-point shot back in 79. And Chris Ford from the Celtics made the first three. I mean, teams were shooting one or two a game.

That's crazy. If you shot one, I mean, sometimes teams wouldn't even shoot. The only time they shot threes was the end of the first quarter, the end of the shot clock, some stuff like that, Jeff. It wasn't running no sense to try to get somebody to shoot a three. You shot one out of necessity. The shot clock winding down, it was the end of the quarter, end of the half.

Late, you know, I'm saying you down by three and somebody launching it. Now, they running plays to get somebody to the three. In transition, guys ain't running to the front of the rim, they running to the three-point line. For sure.

Wait, so you're saying back in 79, when they first incorporated three-point, everybody was training post-game and mid-range? Oh, that's how it was. Hell yeah. Everybody wanted a big. You had to get a big because you wanted to dump it down. That was the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, even in the 90s.

Well, Steph Curry, I mean, they started shooting more threes in 2000s, but it was Steph and the Warriors that came in and said, oh, it's okay, there's no such thing as a bad shot. Because Swish, you back in the day, oh, no, no, no. Okay, good job. Now they encourage you to shoot the three. It's kind of hard for you to be an elite player if you can't shoot the three unless you're so

physically talented like a yannis look at lebron lebron has been able to stay around a lot longer because what he developed a three ball late in his career because he realized that was one of the ways he was going to be able to stay around because he's still athletic he can still get get downhill but it takes so much out of you to constantly try to go through one, two, three players and get to the rim. Hell, man, y'all ain't finna tire me out. I'm finna stand out here and hit a couple threes on y'all ass. Yeah. That's like a boxer, man.

Y'all done jabbing, throwing jabs. I set you up. Yeah. Trust and believe. You get down to the nitty-gritty, he getting to that. He getting to that. Oh, he going to the paint now. Yeah, he going to get down here. Right. You saw in the Olympics, when the rubber to the paint now. He going to get down here. You saw in the Olympics, when the rubber needed to meet the roll against the dam,

what did he do? He put his head down. He said, I'm going to the rim. Stop me if you can. I think when he was with Miami, he was shooting like 68%, 70%, something crazy. Oh, yeah. He shot like 57% from the floor. He had a run when I remember he was coming through the guard and I was just like

damn bro like he I remember that switch he had like six or seven games where he shot 60% from the floor and it wasn't all layups he was shooting threes he was shooting the mid range and it was the game if I'm not mistaken it was the game before the all-star game he had it

and he just took a he took an off-balance three against OKC. Off one leg. That dropped him under 60. Yeah. That dropped him up under it. Guys, we got to talk about this game. The Grizzlies defeated the 76ers last night, 117 to 111. But, okay, we're going to talk about this what transpired yesterday but tonight the grizzlies

beat the 76ers but the big story came yesterday after the sixes four straight loss kyle lowry called for a team or a team meeting players and coaches held each other accountable and took fault for the start of the season maxi challenged joelle and b to be on time to the team activities calling him out for being late for everything and how it impacts the locker room from the other players to the coaching staff Ocho Swish you are known

Ocho you remember I told you last year in 1995 Mike Shanahan first game as the head coach I won offensive player of the game I had 10 catches for a buck. I want offensive player of the game. I had 10 catches for a buck 80. I was offensive player of the game, but there was some plays that Shannon was bull driving. So they call,

he called me in his office and he said, 84, he said, 84. I want to talk to you about something. I thought I was doing, you going to call me in and congratulate me. Like,

Oh, it's your 10 for a buck 84. Oh yeah. So he puts the tape on swish and i'm looking loafing didn't get out the break half-assing on the block yeah cut the tape off he says i'll never accept anything in a win i wasn't in a loss so let me ask both of you guys did you think joel and b just starting showing up tarted to these activities this year? Or did he do it when he was winning the MVP? Did he do it when they were winning?

You see, you accepted it. You tolerated it when you was winning. Now it's an issue. Now you see why Ochoa say you don't tolerate anything in a win, you wouldn't in a loss? Yes, sir. This is why. If you think Joel Embiid just started showing up late this year,

if you think this is the first time that he's been tardy this man said how about showing up on time for all things this is why this is why and you know the funny thing about it is especially when it comes to time like this when you're losing

everything else is magnified they find all the reasons you know you were doing it before but you know they brush it off because you're winning and not only are you winning when joe ellen beat is on the on the court you know what you get you know what you get when he's on the court but it's the problems now when you're losing then they they start to nitpick i'm not saying it's nitpicking but again you get down to the root of the problem the root of the problem is whatever they whatever they see fit doesn't fit as what we do as a team so as a team but we have one person that's showing up late even if it may

be our best player but i i think they've given tyrese maxie the keys to the 76 so he feels in his do is it's his duty to call out the other display on the team i love it and that that's where they are now. Honestly, man, the biggest takeaway from this whole thing for me, because I worked out with Tyrese. I worked out with him when he was going to pre-draft. I worked out his first couple years in the league.

It was obviously my tail end, but to see his growth to where he's at now and to be able to call out the MVP, I'm like, yo, bro, I love it.

I love that shit. Like, bro, nah, like I don't, for me, that was my biggest, that was my biggest complaint about any and everything.

Don't tell me to do something that you not out here doing. There you go. Don't tell me to be here on time. If you're not showing up on time, don't tell me to be here on time if you're not showing up on time. Don't tell me to watch film if you're not watching film. Don't tell me to be here on this screen if you're not there on that screen. Don't tell me to communicate on defense if you're just out there just... I don't want to hear that, bro.

It's accountability all the way from the top to the bottom. And when you get a player like that, man, shout out to Tyrese, man. I rock with that. That shit is tough. You ever had to call somebody out when you was playing? Hell yeah, we always do. You got to.

You don't make a young... That would cause a rift between Tyrese and Embiid. Did you have to do that publicly, though? It got out. He didn't say anything. It got out. Just like everything that happened in the locker room. He get out.

Somebody going to go to jail. You know how this thing work, Ocho? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Either a player has a reporter has a relationship with a player or he has a front office person or he has a coach it's getting out but people get upset

people got upset with Stephen A when he said that Stephon Diggs was unhappy and he won't go out oh he made that up where's Stephon Diggs now, Steve Ocho? Yeah, he out of there. Yeah, people.

But the thing is, I'm not saying always, but a lot of times when these reporters get stuff, where you think Adam Schefter? Where you think Woj? Where you think Shams? Where you think Jay Glazier? Rest his soul, Chris Morrison. Where do you think they got these stories from?

You got to come from somebody. Yeah. Within the organization. I'm not going to lie. It took me so long to understand that. Even being in the business, like, just, like, really understanding the business of it all. Like, shit just came coming out of nowhere. Yes.

Like, it's coming out, but you got to watch how the plays or how shit play out to really see the trades or the free agent moves or whatever else. It's so deeper than rap. It's crazy, man. And you got agents.

Agents telling. So it's not... I don't do it. I mean, I know a lot of stuff, I mean, things that was going on, but that ain't my job, Ocho.

I ain't no insider. Right, right, right, right. I talk in a way, but people say, Shedda,

how you know? Don't worry about it. I know. Don't you worry about how I know? Because I ain't giving up no sources. Everybody, state your source. No.

That's just like, all the scandals. Think about all the whistleblowers if i gave up my source there'll be a lot of stuff we'd have never known watergate would have never happened without deep throat all the all the uh the cigarettes and nicotine how addictive it was if that person didn't blow the whistle that they were adding high levels of nicotine because they knew it was addictive and that's why people had a hard time quitting smoking. Yeah.

All the things when they had Iran Contra, all the stuff that was going on in government without that. So nobody's going to give up their sources, but people think this notion of, and I'm not saying that reporters haven't made up stuff, but a lot of the stuff that these reporters are saying, Oh, they're coming.

It's coming right out that locker room. Either agent gave it up, a player gave it up, a coach gave it up, or a front office person gave it up. See, to me, it's not necessarily on the reporter, bro. It's like, to me, it's on the person who's saying it. Because, like, for me,

if I say something, I'm going to tell you, hey, Ocho, you can go wherever you want to go and say that I said like for me, if I say something, I'm going to tell you, hey, Ocho, you can go wherever you want to go and say that I said this. Hey, you go wherever you want to go and say that I said this. But in certain situations, you sitting there like, hey man, don't tell nobody how I told you.

Like, bro, hold up, bro. I ain't with all that. Like that shit right there, I ain't with all that, dog. I ain't telling nobody how I told you. I ain't going, Ocho. First of there? I ain't what all that, dog. Nah. What are you talking about? I ain't going, Ocho. First of all, I ain't telling nothing. Right. I ain't telling nothing.

Because the way I look at it is like my family. Stuff that was in my family, why would I go tell somebody we ain't got no running? I mean, after the fact, I'll tell you 20 years later. But you thought I was going to tell somebody that secret, Ocho, when I'm actually living in it? Absolutely not. Hell no. Right. gonna tell somebody that secret don't show what i'm actually living in it absolutely hell no right so if i'm playing and even now i might say some things that happened in the locker room so for the song i never tell who was it who did this but i'm like these reporters and people get mad

oh he just no bro nah people be really people be diamond other people out that's how i feel about the soup incident like Like, that happened in the practice facility. Like, come on, bro. How does she get to the meet? Oh, you throw the soup on the man. Come on. Nah, but not only that, though, but like, y'all they don't find out until, like, they don't suspend

me until the league and everybody else find out. Like, so it wasn't embarrassing. There wasn't no egg on y'all face until everybody else found out. Until this wasn't embarrassing. There wasn't no egg on y'all face until everybody else found out, until this shit get leaked. So then y'all gotta, now it look like y'all gotta do something. But like, bro, like, come on, man. That shit is weak.

But my thing is those switch with, see, Ocho, now you see why sometimes guys don't matter. How many times you think Kobe showed up late? Jordan, Braun, Bird, Magic. There's a reason why guys are great. Look, guys are great.

And then you have, I mean, there's levels to this. I mean, we all might live in the same house, but some of us got bigger rooms. I'm number 267 in the Hall of Fame, but Reggie White and LT and Time, they're on different floors. I'm in the house. I'm in the building. But there's levels to this.

My thing is with Joel, if God gave you that kind of ability, wouldn't you want to maximize it? I'm going to be in the best shape I possibly can be considering. Big men don't play long because of the size and because of the lower extremities. You got knee, you got feet, big Bill Wong. You look at Shaq, you look at a lot of the big men,

they have issues that small guys don't have because of the weight disparity, Ocho, and getting that up and down, 300 pounds, up and down, up and down. How much you make? Who, me? How much I make? How much you make? Who, me? How much I make? No, how much Joel make? Joel Embiid just signed a three-year extension for $193 million. Yeah, he ain't doing that.

I got a question. What if Embiid doesn't love the game the same way Tyrese Maxey does? What if Embiid doesn't love the game the same way that Cody... Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. So y'all about to criticize him for the same thing y'all criticized Ben Simmons for before?

Because that's the same thing. That was the same argument when Joel was quote-unquote calling out Ben Simmons, talking about how much he ain't love the game and didn't do X, Y, and Z. So now what's going on? No, I'm just asking a question, Swish. I'm saying

do you think maybe Embiid doesn't love the game the same way as the other players that are always on time? Or maybe he doesn't love the game the same way Tyrese Maxey does. Oh, yeah. Maybe he doesn't love it that way. To put in the time, to take care of his nutrition, to take care of his weight. Maybe it's different.

I'm just curious. I'm just asking. I think Swish, because this is Swish Sports, but let me tell you how I look at it, Ocho. I remember when I made the decision that I was going to eat healthy. I looked at my body one day, and here I was eating fast food three times a day,

and I had 8% body fat. And nobody could believe, thought I could eat like this. So for like two years it was burger king for breakfast it was whatever fast food i could get for lunch and then on the way home i love dairy queen so i was on the dairy queen i was on the dairy queen hard but i had eight percent body fat and one day i was like i wonder if i had a cousin that's in bodybuilding i've always been a bodybuilding fan i said said, man, I wonder if I were to eat healthy, what would my

body look like? Two weeks, Ocho. Man, look here. In two weeks, I was shredded like a Trump tax return. Waist disappeared like a Clinton email. You know what I'm saying, Ocho?

I went head to head with a sword. I lost a fight. Cuts everywhere. I was up. I was up. That's the way I look. That's also why I couldn't coach, Ocho, because you look at guys with so much God-given ability.

You look at guys that don't have that kind of God-given ability, and you see they give their everything to be the best they possibly be. And you see a guy that's got so much more God given ability. Bull jiving and give you 35, give you 50, give you 70. And you're like, what the hell? Yeah. Yeah.

It makes you mad. I've seen guys. Clint Porter pissed me off because I know he should have been in the Hall of Fame, but he wouldn't work. He was a lazy mofo. Clint Porter was that good, Ocho. Is it the diet or is it the work habits? Oh, he had. Because I got a terrible diet.

I felt like I got great work habits. I got terrible diet. He was both. B-O-A-F. Both. Poor work habits and diet. Yeah, I think... I mean, obviously,

you know how my diet was. Switch, you know about me and my love for McDonald's. But I was an animal when it came to working. I mean, I'm still the same way. I don't even play no goddamn mode and I still work as if I might get a call. that's the thing was different for y'all y'all

y'all so used to being in that in the weight room like y'all like y'all are weight room junkies i was never that i was a gym rat like you catch me you don't need to be this is all fluidity baby this is flow i don't need none of that so for me it's hard for me now like that's why i feel like golf is so great for me because i can just walk right into it and just flow opposed to hitting the gym and doing all this extra calisthenics and all that i don't need all that but like yeah certain people like y'all like y'all man like i envy y'all bro i can't i can't do it. Getting there in the gym two hours, three hours a day still right now?

Retired? Oh, yeah. I was that guy's wish. I felt that if I didn't train two hours a day, I wasn't intense. And I'm talking about, look, when I trained a man rope, man, we would go in the gym. I was like, what's up, dog? What we got today? He would say, we got this.

We would not say another word until the workout was complete. what's up, dog? What we got today? He would say, we got this. We would not say another word until the workout was complete. They're straight work. I'm talking about lunge. We're lunging the whole gym. We're lunging. We're doing leg press with six, eight, ten plates aside.

Doing leg extensions. Hack squats. Lunge the gym. We doing that for an hour. That's me. That's me. And I was like, but that's all I know.

Because I said, Lord, if you get me out of this environment, I'm not coming back. The most impressive thing you can show me about a person is that when he gets the money, he works as if he's broke. Yeah. You look at LeBron.

You look at Steph. You look at KD. You look at Joe. You look at Colby. Look at the great. Look at Tom Brady. Everything Tom Brady had accomplished. He was accomplished on top of accomplishments.

And you never know. Peyton Manning. You never know. TJ. Why? Look at, look at the guys and you know a lot of it is accessibility man

to be honest it's accessibility and being able to repeat it over and over again like imagine if like when you was a kid you know like I used to think about all the time when I was a kid when I was 7, 8, 9 years old like damn I wish I just had a gym.

I wish I just had a gym. I could just shoot all day. I'd be in there all day, all night. I'd sleep in that gym. I promise you, bro. And when I made it and I was in the gym all day, all night. Like, that's what there's no. That's what it is.

That's just safe haven. 2 a.m. I got the key. I got the code. Put my fingerprint in. I can go in, do whatever. I can sit in a cold tub. I can sit in a hot tub. That's just safe haven. 2 a.m., I got the key, I got the code, put my fingerprint in, I can go in, do whatever. I can sit in a cold tub, I can sit in a hot tub, I can get shots up, I can just sit there and watch TV, do whatever I want to do.

But, like, that right there, like, that's what resonates with me with, like, a person like Joel. Like, bro, you sat out your first, what, two years? Yes! Like, bro, and then you go from that to winning the mvp to have an opportunity with a paul george and a young maxi who's just on a rise like you're gonna hand the keys off and the winner chip after boston i don't know man to me the next boston series is serious so i never played for philly but i would assume they got the same rivalry and the same conferences

like we had. So I would assume he would take that some shit like that type personally. Then you play on a team with him in the Olympics like. Yes. And he probably he had to see everybody talks about LeBron is cold to be the first there in

he shoot. It's not an accident that LeBron is playing as long as he is and he's playing at the level he's still playing at. He's the first there in. He's shooting. It's not an accident that LeBron is playing as long as he is. And he's playing at the level he's still playing at. That's not an accident. It's not an accident that Tom Brady played as long as he did. And he played at the level that he played. That's not an accident. When you were growing up,

you say, Lord, what did you do to get to where you got? You mean to tell me you would stop that after you got there? That's the problem. Because see, a lot of times, Ocho, people will climb the mountain and they

oh but the greats find another mountain to scale. Yeah. That is the difference. I think that's hard too because those two people like Bron and Tom Brady, they able to carve out their own future. A lot of people ain't able to do that. This man got a three year extension for one ninety three.

He got a deal to begin with. Yeah, but I'm saying like in the years, like at the end, like, quote unquote, at the end of the career time is 21, 22 years in, like they're still able to pick and choose what they want to do, where they want to go, opposed to being like, you know what? We're going to trade them here, trade them there, trade them here, trade them there, you know, cut them and pay them out. If I had $500 million, I'm going to do what I want to do. And I ain't going to do that before 12 o'clock. Think about

the money these guys making now. Ocho, a 60 million... Guys used to buy teams, the entire team for 60 million dollars. Mr. Boland bought the Broncos for 68 million dollars. Dak Prescott makes 60 million a year.

Man, that's the age. The guy bought the Steelers for $1 million in 33. Don't talk about them. Think about it. Boy, look here. The money and Jacobs, they'll still pay.

You could be 15 years in and making $50 million. What job you know that pays a guy unless you're a CEO of a company? $50 million a year, Ocho. Boy, ain't nothing like that. But it also tells you a lot about a person when you win in the Olympics

and they was already talking about you going to go play for somebody else in the next Olympics. Like you winning the gold. You talk about you going to play somewhere. Like it tells you enough. Like what more you want to see? He's not a team guy. He don't care.

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it's hard he had to take it serious cause he's a big how much you how much you. How much you think Joel Embiid weighs, Wish? Three what? I mean, three? Damn. Yeah, that's the same thing I said. Monk told me it was 300. If LeBron 260, you don't think Joel Embiid 300?

Yeah, LeBron is a different 260, though. And Bron like 275, to be honest. Huh? He like 275. So if he 275, how much you think Joel Embiid weighs? If he 275, I say Joel Embiid might be like 310, 315. I think he bigger than that. Nah, he ain't bigger than that.

He ain't bigger than Shaq. But you got to know, when Shaq first got into the league, Shaq was like 320. Now, look how skinny Shaq neck is when he's in Orlando. Yeah, but Shaq was different, though. Shaq was 320, but Shaq was a 320 that could have been a small forward 320. Joel would be 315, 320 is a straight big man 315, 320. He can shoot a little hezy and got a little move and all that.

But when I talk about up and down running, Shaq can't do a lot. No, no, no, that ain't what Joel Embiid don't know. Shaq was wild. I give Joel Embiid, I think Joel Embiid 330. I think he 333, 340. Kamikaze Shaq? Oh, my God. Yeah.

How about this here. How about this? How much you think Zion weighed? Man, Zion, my height, he about 280, dog. 280? Yeah. Oh, excuse me. Nah, for real, dog.

I ain't gonna lie, right now I'm like 235, bro. He might be 280 on the moon. He bigger than that? He ain't gonna lie, right now I'm like 230, 235. He might be 280 on the moon. He bigger than that? They ain't got no gravity. He might be 280 now. The way he came in, he might be 280, 285. No, he was never bigger than that.

At his heaviest, he was 280, 285. Three. At six, Charles Barkley. Hold on. You think Charles Barkley was... Hold on. Let me ask you... Hold on. You think Charles Barkley was... Hold on. Let me ask you this, Wish. You think Charles Barkley,

when he got in the league, was bigger than Zion? No. Because Charles was 285. Charles wasn't 285 when he first got in the league. Yeah, Charles... He was ripped up.

He was 245, 255 all day long. No. Uh-uh. 280. He looked fair. No, Charles was 280. So Charles was Brian before Brian. That's what you're talking about.

Yeah, but just at 6'4". Oh, yeah. 6'4". Yeah, he looked smaller. Charles 6'4". Yes! He looked slim. He looked slim as hell.

Did they use him on an outside linebacker? D-tackle or something? D-line? Charles said he went out for football one time. They knocked the hell out of him. The coach said, all right, Charles, we'll see you tomorrow. Charles said, no, you won't. I'm done. He didn't want Oklahoma, so I'm cool, dog.

Charles said, y'all gonna knock hell out of me day after day and still I'm gonna go get knocked the hell out of the game? Oh, no. Hey, football was different back then, Swish. switch now they don't do like we did when i was coming to charles a couple years older than me but in the south football is king yeah and we had oklahoma drill we had bully in the ring oh if you weren't tough you couldn't play football no sir you could not ain't no ain't no way now all the coaches that

coach when i was growing up they could not coach right now because you had to do oklahoma every day you had to do bully in the ring oh my goodness coach you know how many coaches i have would have been locked up oh for sure put their heads on kids grabbing up, just grab your face mask. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the coaching was different back then. The coaching was different back then. It wouldn't work today. No way. It wouldn't work today at all. Nobody have a damn job. Hey, man, shout out to

Teddy Bridgewater, though. 69 and nothing. 69 and nothing. Where is that? Northwestern, though, Joe? Ain't he coaching at Northwestern? Yeah, Miami Northwestern, man. Right down the street from Grandma's house. Yeah, sure is. That's what's up.

Hey, Swish, Swish. That's what's up. They list Zion's weight at 284. Now, what you think he's at? What you think his weight is? If they say you need 284, buddy, 305. Okay. I ain't going to hold you. I already know how it goes. Buddy buddy 305. Okay. I ain't gonna hold you.

I already know how it go. Buddy 305 for sure. Thank you. Thank you. Damn, bro. We came off the ground like that? Yes. But that's the problem. You see how explosive he is? Let me ask

you a question, Switch. You got a construction company. If I put a Ferrari let me ask you a question Swish you got a construction company if I put a Ferrari engine a souped up super engine in a dump truck and I get it going 70-80 miles an hour and slam on brake eventually that rear end

gonna come up out of there so think about him how explosive he is at that weight yeah damn So think about him, how explosive he is at that weight. Damn. I'm trying to think who that would have been. I just wish guys took it serious, got their weight up under control, so I could see just how good.

Because I'm not so sure, guys, we're going to ever see. Because he can only play a stretch of like five to ten games. And it's his hamstring. It's his knee. It's his ankle. It's something. So let me ask you this. Do we just cut the season down?

Do we just go to 73 games? No. Because if guys can't play. You got the biggest one of the MVP coming out. He can't play back got the biggest one of the mvp coming out talking he can't play back to backs like you got guys who literally just kawaii paul george brown ain't playing every night ad ain't playing every night like look at look around the league look at the stars they not playing every night so why not cut them cut it short because somebody's convinced the guys that the rest is better and and and the teams that the rest is better.

And the team, because they're paying them so much money, it's the same thing, Ocho. When you and I played, we played preseason game. We practiced. We thudded. We hit. Now they don't do any of that, and it seems like they have more injuries now than what we had, Ocho,

when we played, and we was thudded. So you feel like even if you give them more time in the summertime, it don't matter. It's just recovery time after the – between games. Guys got to take care of themselves. They got to get their rest. They got to get off their feet, get in the cold tub, get in the hyperbaric chamber. Because think about all the technology that you guys have,

that they have now, as opposed to when you and I played Ocho. Now, it started coming in. You know, I retired in 04, so I you you left the game in like 11 or 12 or something like that but they started having all this the uh the cold the dip tanks that the facility had they have all that stuff now there's no man look here i didn't go i wasn't going home till 7 38 o'clock and we didn't have all that i could just imagine man please yeah Just imagine. Man, please. Yeah. Jeff T. calls Paul Joy the Tobias Harris of the Sixers. Swish, do you agree with that comment?

That's fucking crazy. Excuse me. Excuse me. That's wild. I'm sorry. Yo, that's wild. That's wild disrespectful, bro. I mean, the man just got there.

He coming out for injury. He played like three games for the man already. So, listen, you got to give me that in football terms. Paul George got injured tonight, Swish. Yeah, I think his ankle. You heard his ankle, huh? Bro, Ocho, what did I tell you? If you limp into the season, how you going

out of it? Yeah, but listen, you got to give me better context. You heard me? What'd you say, Ocho? You got to give me better context on why Paul George is Tobias Harris. Give it to me in football terminology.

Well, Tobias Harris got a max contract and give it to him in a term that Ocho could understand. Tobias went up to the window, to the bank window with no mask on told the cashier, my name is Tobias Harris. He gave him his ID

and his birth certificate with his social security number. Yes. Robbed him his ID and his birth certificate with his social security number. Yes. Robbed him for $190 million. With no gun. They walked up out of there. And they said, Mr. Harris, take the money. It's yours.

They gave him a nice little folder with a little bow on it and said, have a nice day. Damn. Damn. I want to give him at least a year before I get put to Tobias. First of all, I would never put Tobias

on Paul George. Now, PG earned a lot. He earned a lot in this league. It's crazy because I really rock with Tobias. Tobias is my guy, but you talk about people who underachieve, bro, and got you got me. Yeah.

Mm hmm. Pay pay. Like your bro like man. I respect that. I like you as a person, you're a great guy. You can have it to a great, better person. Hey, Unc. Yes. Somebody said in football terminology, Aaron just said,

Tobias Harris is basically Daniel Jones. Okay. Yeah, and you let, what's the name go? Saquon? Yeah, let Saquon go, yes. Yeah, for sure. Because they could have had Jimmy Bucket. So Jimmy Bucket was on that team,

and basically, I don't know if Jimmy wanted to stay. We'd have to see if Jimmy wanted to stay with Joel Embiid. That's another thing, man, because now you're taking me back with all this, bro, because when I remembered it now, because Jimmy left because they said Jimmy was way too confrontational because he kept antagonizing people, trying to get into practice,

trying to get everybody on board, trying to get them a winning culture because that's what he came from in Chicago and they wasn't on it. And they got Jimmy up out of there. Yeah. And they gave, they get, instead of giving Jimmy a max contract, they gave it to Bob Harris. Ben and Joel.

And Joel. And then they ended up signing. They signed. They get the number one pick in the draft, Ben Simmons. Yeah. And Ben Simmons. And we know what happened with Ben. We don't need to beat the man up.

He's been beat up enough. But we know what happened with that. I'm not mad at Ben. Ben living his life. He doing what he want to do. He don't love it. And I can't make him. Ain't can't nobody else make him love it.

Do what you want to do. They let you. They let you still pay him. That's your fault. Y'all signed up again. Hey, look here. When you play a sport, it's got to be one or two things. It's got you got to be married to it or it's got to be the mistress

one or the other but you got to devote time to them or both of them will leave your ass that's for sure because a lot of times what we see got it'll be interesting to see if you see this in basketball a lot of times guys

are out of the league before they're really their time should be how many times we see guys we see a guy basketball, a lot of times guys are out of the league before they're really, their time should be. How many times we see guys, Ocho, we see a guy, got his hand. That happen to you, Swift? For sure. That's how mellow it is, bro. That's what I was saying about people who

don't determine their own destiny. When you was talking about Tom and Bra and certain people. Even like, I love him to death, but like CP. CP done bounced around to so many different teams these last four or five years. You would think he was, and everybody loves him. He gets so much praise. He's a captain everywhere he goes. He turns around organizations and teams.

But you're not in a position to really pick where your destiny lands at. It's a tough, it's a hard streak because then you got a guy like Melo who for sure could have played another five years. D-Wade, he was already

older than everybody, so he sat out and he played four years of college football. D-Wade got his huge, D-Wade knees just gave out on him. It wasn't D-Wade, he was already older than everybody, so he sat out. He played four years of college football. But at least D-Wade got his cues. D-Wade's knees just gave out on him. It wasn't D-Wade wasn't putting the work in. His body failed him. I think the other guys, they waited too late to adopt great workout habits, great work ethic.

See, LeBron came into the league with it. Some guys come into the league with it, Ocho, so it's easier to maintain that as you get older. If you got crap work ethic as a young man, what the hell you think you gonna happen when you get older? Yeah, but some people just got the body, man. Come on, man. Y'all can't...

Look at your body. Some of that is God-given ability. You was eating whatever you wanted. You had 8%. Ocho, you out here eating McDonald's, Pop-Tarts, and everything else. You got 0% body fat. Man out here running those soccer fields looking like a cheetah. Come on, dog.

Ain't nobody. Y'all making me sick with this, man, because I'm getting out of that. Because I'm being an out-of-shape golfer, and I'm getting my little belly. And I don't appreciate the way y'all talk about athletes like that. I used to be one of y'all. But muscle isn't required. You definitely don't need chest muscles. You don't need shoulders because you need to be one of the guys. But muscle isn't required. You definitely don't need chest muscles. You don't need shoulders because

you need that swing. You need to be fluid through the top. That's why baseball players, that's why basketball players, that's why guys that don't have upper body mass, that's why they make such good golfers. That's why you look at your pitchers. That's why you look at your hockey players. You look at your basketball players.

Look at the guys that are really good in football. Quarterback. I play with Romo today. He lights out. Oh, my God. Ain't got none of this, Ocho. Ain't got none of this. I got too much traps.

I got too much front delt, rear delt. I bet I can't. Man, look here. You ain't got nothing. You ain't doing nothing with fluidity, man. You getting strong. Get up off me. Catch it strong and get up off me.

There ain't nothing fluidity. Ain't no flow. You ain't. Ocho, yeah, for sure. You done developed all this? I'm tired of them skin on the grave. So I already know I can't play no golf. Yeah, I'm too big to play golf, too.

No, you're not too big. I'm like 230 right now, Swish. I'm 230, dog. He ain't no 230. He like 190. He like 190, Swish. He want to be big. He want to be big. You know the guys, like when you was growing up, Swish, you exaggerate

your weight. You was really like 150. You say you 165. That's Ochoa. I'm tired of him doing Instagram gel poses, too. He over there standing like Tookie Williams and all. You see me, it's good to see that. That lets you know exactly how big I am.

I can't swing no golf club. Although you can swing a golf club, you're just going to be some trash at it, but okay. Draymond says people want him suspended because their NBA ratings are low. Draymond fired back at everyone who felt a warranted suspension for tripping Zach Eady.

Draymond argued that if the play was indeed dirty, he would have been dealt a flagrant one or two in real time due to his notorious reputation. I agree. The ratings are low. We know Draymond's name sparks a buzz. We know the name carries weight. We know that it's going to get people riled up. The ratings are low, so know Draymond's name sparks a buzz. We know the name carries weight. We know that it's going to get people riled up.

The ratings are low, so they want to sub in Draymond. I ain't going to lie, man. I used to hate Draymond, dog. I used to hate Draymond. Oh, man. As much as I've listened to him and understand how intelligent he is

and how he can articulate himself and everything, like, and hold his emotions with it, like, I've grown to respect this man so much. Like, I really rocked with Draymond, man. And I believe that, too. Like, I really believe, like, they try to villainize his character as, you know, just getting ratings up. And he's a hell of a player and um it's tough man it's tough to be in that position because once you it's like once you be once you

become that villain it's impossible to become the hero dog yeah but he's a repeat offender though swish it's kind of like if you get if you get if you get 12 speeding tickets it's hard to argue when the police pull your ass over for you telling, man, I wasn't speeding. But I clocked you going 90 in a 65. It's hard to argue that. When you've seen Draymond repeatedly do these things, he's what we call in the criminal justice a repeat offender. So therefore, his priors weigh into that. Swish, you know you've been suspended.

Your priors, when David Stern or Adam Silver called your ass in the office, they said, JR, you've done this before. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely got priors. Yeah, he definitely. We definitely met with priors. I'll say that.

I'll definitely say that. I can't let Draymond off the hook for that. He definitely got priors. He had priors. I say that. I definitely said I can't let Draymond off the hook for that. He definitely got Pryor's. He always, hey, he had Pryor's when I was playing. It's been a while. He also called Taylor Jenkins soft for complaining.

You got janky Taylor Jenkins who they softy. Bro, this game 11 and you're running out into the media crying about a foul. Who Taylor Jenkins? That's the head coach of Memphis. Oh, shit. Yeah, I mean, shit, that's what they're supposed to do.

What you mean? Ain't nothing no different what Steve did with us. When we was playing them in the finals, oh, they're playing so physical. As soon as you go to the bottom, they call a foul every play to the next game. No, they know what they're doing, dog. I don't hear that. You like me. Look, I like Draymond, but his history is he's done some foul stuff.

Yeah. He's kicked some people. He's hit people upside the head. He's done some things. Y'all make it seem like we're making this up. Like, this is Draymond. Like, what he did to Edie was his first defense since he's been in the NBA. It's not! The man got suspended

twice last year. We ain't even talking about, look, stuff happens in practice. We're not even talking about the pool stuff. Just as he would go there alone. Yes! Thank you. I ain't going to just him. Just him alone. Thank you. That's enough priors.

So with that being said, it's like, man, come on now. Ain't nobody going. I mean, I think the thing is, having been at games that Draymond has played in, Draymond get away with stuff. The way Draymond be talking is that he knows they don't want to throw him out of the ball

game. Right. And so he goes to the line and sometimes he'll step over to see how far he, how far they go. It's like Rasheed. Cause he knows. Just like Rasheed. Yep. Just like Rasheed. I'm gonna step over that line, I'm gonna cut you out, I'm gonna do anything

and everything. And then if you give me a tech, I already, especially if we playing at home, I already know it's gonna get us even more riled up. So it's like, you got dudes like Chauncey. I know you ain't going to want to call that. And Swish, guess what? I know you ain't going to want to call that second ticket, throw me out.

Oh, no. So I just brought my, because you don't want to influence the game. Yeah, buddy. You don't want to call Adam Silver. You don't get that phone call after the game. You don't want to have that conversation. The Volume. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company.

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