Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Jokic cements MVP, Can Luka upset Clippers?

Episode Date: April 11, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Gilbert Arenas react to the Denver Nuggets beating the Minnesota Timberwolves, discuss if Luka Doncic and the Mavericks can upset the Los Angeles Clippers, and debate Charles Barkley's recent comments on the Phoenix Suns. 0:00 Introduction03:45 Nikola Jokic shines in Nuggets win vs Timberwolves19:30 Mavs and Clippers will face each other in 1st round of playoffs35:35 Charles Barkley says the Suns are mentally weak53:10 Celtics and Jrue Holiday agree to new deal58:00 Which teams are biggest threat to the Celtics? #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Gil, I hate to break it to you. I think there's only one or two games left, but Nikola Jokic showed up to MVP tonight. The Nuggets beat the Timberwolves 116-107. Nikola Jokic, 41 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, 3 steals on 16 of 20 shooting. And he did it against the guy many believe will win the defensive player of the year.

He made mincemeat out of it. If I'm Rudy Gobert, I'm sick. Because every time he goes up against gets Nicole Yogi's gill, he cooking for 40. You know, the thing about that is, showing how Rudy plays him, which is, he's not guarding him as a man. He's a secondary defender.

Which means, these defensive wars you're getting, you're not getting it stopping the guy that's a problem, right? Jokic is, who did he go against? Anderson for most of the part, Nas, Reid, and then Rudy sitting in the back trying to block the shot and alter the shot. You can't say you're a great defensive player to hear, and you can't even actually guard the best player. Like, yeah.

He had 40 because you want to sit back there protecting the rim instead of blocking and guarding the guy that is the threat. I think they started out probably with, you know, you try to give them a different look. Any great score or guys, you try to give them a different look. You don score or guys, you try to give them a different look. You don't want to give them a steady diet of anything.

There are a fair few guys that were at that elite level. Back in the day, Rodman would take the best player, and he would guard him the entire game. Or you had Jordan would do it for stretches of time. LeBron could do it. Kobe could do it. Kawhi. But back then, David Robinson and Akeem Olajuwon,

it wasn't no switching off. It wasn't no Otis Thorpe. You take David Robinson for this. No. Akeem had it, and he had to neutralize him. Plus, he needed to go give you his customary 25 to 30 also. But this is why I believe Wimby Yama, Wimby should win defensive player of the year. Because it's defensive player of the year.

Who's the best defensive player, not who's on the best defensive team. Because let me ask you this. If I took Wimby, if I took Robert Gobert off that team and I put in Wimby, would they be better or worse? And if I put Gobert on the Spurs, would they improve? No. Wimby is a better defender than Rudy Gobert.

Because you know how I know? They have a three-on-one, and ain't nobody want to lay it up. You take it, dog. You go, hey, hey, hey. As a matter of fact, let's kick it out to the three. And then he wouldn't even take the three because he saw Wimby headed out that way. So for me, Gil, I think Wimby should win Defensive Player of the Year. I don't know if it's ever happened before a rookie wins Defensive Player of the Year,

but if there's ever a year where a rookie should win an award with such prestige, this is the year it should happen. I mean, it is. This is his award. I mean, it's hands down. Defensive player, meaning he's guarding the ball. He's help side. He's defending. Yeah, he got hit for 70. But he took the challenge.

Yeah. He took the challenge to try to guard these guys, knowing that he couldn't stop Jokic. He couldn't stop Embiid. Those were learning games. And he's grown from the first day we've seen him to now. He looks like a whole different player.

Me watching this game today, this is the battle of number one. And Rudy, you didn't want to take the challenge. No, I don't blame him. The guy that is the winner. J, I don't blame him. The guy that is the winner. Jokic says,

all right, look it, I got the MVP on the line. I'm going to show you what I'm going to do. And I don't get why teams put guards and small forwards on Jokic. It's just dumb basketball. Gil, I think they look at him and he doesn't have the musculature of a Dwight Howard.

Or he's not sculpted like an Elijah Warner, have the caps on his shoulder like a David Robinson. So you just look at him, you're like, man, he just look like a blob. I mean, he ain't got no definition. The only cuss on him is that when people scratch him. He probably ain't got no cuss on his knees or anything like that. You know, scrapes on his legs or nothing. And so you probably underestimate it by just looking at it. But once he gets out on the court, at some point in time, you're like, well, hell.

He moving people. He dips in with that shoulder. He's just lodging people from that spot. So clearly, he's stronger than he looks. Yeah, you wouldn't put a small guy on Zach Randolph when he played or Marc Gasol, right? Had the same body and the same type of movement. He is skilled.

Yes. You're not going to bait him to throw all of his weight on you. No. He's just going to move around. He's just going to keep moving until you get, and you're so small compared to him. When he does decide to shoot, you're nowhere. This is like putting the guard on KD.

He doesn't shoot down there. Right. He's like a fucking fly. Sorry about the F word. You're a fly in his world. Yeah. And that's just the honest truth. Like, why are you putting smaller guys on him?

You're just feeding him. Yeah. And the thing is, Gil, that he is so good at and the greats are really good at, he knows the moment you anchor, he spins off the boomer. The moment he feels you sturdy, you brace yourself like, oh, you're playing for this. And he just, if you notice,

he'll just keep like, okay, oh, that's a little hard. Oh! And to the basket he go. And the next thing, damn, I thought I had, no. Gil, I'll be honest, I don't know if I've ever seen a guy, only Kyrie can match his touch around the basket. No big, I've be honest. I don't know if I've ever seen a guy only Kyrie can match his touch around the basket.

No big, I've never seen a big have that kind of touch with either hand around the basket. Zach Randolph. Zach was all left-handed. I don't think Zach ever shot anything with it. You know, guys like that,

you remember, was it Sweetney? had a had a nice touch you know guys that are not very athletic in their yes they usually have a great feel around that basket right it does that's why you have to keep them away from it withling let let him try to alter and throw shots up. And he shoots the ball with such, I mean, you ain't blocking that shot. I mean, he's shooting from way up here like Larry Bird, but he's seven foot tall. You'd rather have that, right? I'd rather have you.

Except when he plays against the Lakers, because it doesn't matter where he shoots it from. It's going in. Clockwiring down, it does not matter. One foot, wrong foot, two feet, it doesn't matter where he shoots it from. It's going in. Clockwinding down, it does not matter. One foot, wrong foot, two feet, it doesn't matter, Gil. You're right. You're right about that. But I did. I think

tonight he sold it up, the MVP, Gil. His last seven games is 41-11-7, three steals, 16 of 20. 28-13, seven, 3 steals, 16 of 20. 28, 13, 7, 3 steals, 13 of 20. 19, 14, 11 assists, 3 steals, 6 of 13. 36, 17, 10 assists, 14 of 24.

42, 16, 6 assists, 2 blocks, 18 of 32. 26, 18, 16 assists, 11 of 18. 32, 10, 5, 11 of 24. It's over, Gil. No, 11 of 18. 32, 10, 5, 11 of 24. It's over, Gil. No, it's over. When Embiid went down, it was over. Right? It was over.

It's just one of those things where if this was last year or the year before, we wouldn't even be questioning who the Embiid is. It's his. Right? But the fact that he's probably gotten one or two that wasn't actually his. So now you want to try to figure out how not to give it to him. Yeah. Right?

And at this point, the milk is spilt. You can't do nothing about it. You can't rob him today. Right? You can't rob him today. You can't penalize him for what you did two years ago and three. You can't rob him today right you can't you can't penalize him for what you did two years ago and three you can't do it this is he

earned this one you know what it is Gil it's the old saying my grandma said boy you can't punish somebody for the sins of their father yep because they get because somebody made a mistake or you robbed somebody else you can't make it right now you can't make it right now.

You can't make it right now. I mean, look, and I understand, man, but like some of the greats ain't with. That ain't got nothing to do with me. Some of you are right. Some of the greats didn't win three and four years. But where we are now and what he's doing, I don't. And I'm not so sure it's going to be close. I really don't. I'm not so sure it's going to be close. I really don't. I don't really think it's going to be close. I know Luka

has been on an equally impressive tear. But I think what's helping Yolk is that when Murray went down and Murray had rested that knee and he's doing this. And because remember, he did a lot of this in the year that Murray

was out. Remember, he put up these numbers like, oh, he's got to give it to him. His team was 10th. They had the 10th best record, right? So he held the Denver up to the 10th best record, right? That's holding him up, right?

But they found a way to give it to him. Is he going to be the worst player on that list? Yeah. But someone has to be it, right? Someone has to be the worst on that list. Oh, you think he's the worst MVP? I mean, I don't know if there's such a thing, but

three and four years? I want to be the poorest billionaire. Someone has to be 10. I'd rather be on that list than not on it. Exactly. I'd rather be on the list. Hey, someone needs to be 10.

I'll take it right now. We were talking about Def player of the year. This is rookie's win-be season. He has eight games with at least seven blocks in 70 career games. Rudy Gobert has seven games with at least seven blocks in 754 games. He's a better defender. And people are like, what? Oh, but he's 7'4". But y'all make it seem like Rudy Gobert's 6'2".

What the hell? He said, what is Rudy, 7'2"? Yes. Defending is defending. I don't care. Yes. If you're nine feet and somebody can't score, that is called defending.

Now, I want to put it out there today. When he wins this award, do not get writers fatigue and voters fatigue and voters. If he wins two in a row, he might be Wayne Gretzky in this defensive war. He should. I like it like baseball. Like the Golden Globes. I mean, you know, Griffey had like a streak of like, what,

10? Barnes won like 8. Brown, if you the best at something, keep 8. Man, nah, you know, he don't want enough of them. He don't want 5 in a row, 6 in a row. So, if he's the best at it, give it to him. NBA, we have a problem with that. That's our one problem that we have, that they get tired of voting for the same person.

And you got to stop it at some point. You got to give the people who deserve it their awards. And you can see that Wimby could hold this thing down for a while. Oh yeah, for sure. And then people are like, man, look how tall Wimby is. Wimby's 7'4".

I say, man, y'all talk about Rudy Gobert like he Muggsy Bowles. He's 7'2", 7'2 1⁄2", something. We're splitting hairs here. I mean Draymond, what, Draymond's 6'6", 6'7"? He's defensive player of the year. Jordan was 6'6".

Albert Robertson was 6'4". One of the few men in NBA history to ever have a quadruple double. Did it with steals. I mean, for the most part, big men are usually the ones that win it. You know, you have Shaquille O'Neal. I don't even know if he won.

No, Shaq ain't never won. Shaq never won. Won one, but you got David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon. These are big guys. I mean, they're just getting bigger now. Maybe Artis Gilmore won it way back when. But, yeah, I think now gill with but the guards because remember gp won jordan won alvin robertson won robin was was six eight he won it twice uh yeah but it probably you're

probably right because of shot blocking yep shot blocking blocking rebounding like and now guys and now guys are getting really good with their hands. Now they're counting deflections as a defensive stat. And guys are like, well, hold on, damn. Y'all just adding stuff, trying to find ways to create categories. It's like a defensive back. Well, he had seven deflections. Well, that means he didn't catch the ball.

You know what I'm saying? I thought the rejection was to catch the ball, not deflect the ball. So if he deflected, why did he steal it? So I get it, but I think this was a great game last night. It was close between the Nuggets and the Timberwolves, but late, probably like the last five minutes, the Nuggets blew the game wide open, and they coasted from there. But Jokic had an unbelievable night, 41-11, seven assists,

three steals on 16 of 20 made field goals. So the Nuggets move to first in the West and needs to win the last two or one of their last two and have OKC and Minnesota League lose one of those, and they will be the number one seed in the Western Conference. The Maverick, go ahead. I kind of got the sense those last five minutes. I kind of got the sense the last five minutes. They didn't want to win that game.

Who didn't? Minnesota. Why not? Just something about everybody's shooting for Pelicans right now. I think everybody want to play the Pelicans first round. I think that third seed

looks amazing right now. That second seed and that first seed, you're going to either play Clippers, Dallas, Lakers, or Suns. I'm sorry, huh? That third seed. Right.

Yeah. Give me them. Yeah, I think the thing is, well, I know who did want to win. Denver wanted to win because Yogi said, give me the down. Because he had like four straight possessions where he went right into Rudy Gobert's chest.ogi said, give me the down because he had like four straight possessions where he went right into Rudy Gobert's chest. He said, give me,

give me the ball. I want to win. They don't want to win. Okay, well, I'm going to help y'all not want to win. I'm going to take this game over. And it was,

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like the Clippers can't get away from Luka. They can't get away from Luka. They're about an hour. They try. Few teams have been harder than the Mavericks going into the playoff. The Mavs just won their fifth straight game and have won 16 of the last 18 with Luka averaging almost a triple double this season. 34 points,

9.8 assists, 9.2 rebounds. Kyrie Irving, 25.6, 5.25 rebounds per game. Shooting 49 and a half. Come on, Ky. Get that point. Because he'll be the second guy since Kevin Durant to do it twice. 50-40-90. 50% from the floor, 40% from the three, 90% from the free-throw line.

So he's.5 behind that right now. I ain't taking no more threes. Hey, I'll make sure I stay there, Gil. And right now, I ain't shooting no belayer. I'm going to go about five, go five for seven. Hey, Luka, go ahead and take this thing

over. They can't catch you for the score, Lee. But you're right. I watched the Mavericks tonight and did a job on the Heat. Luka and Kyrie took the game over, had a big lead. They whittled it down, and then those guys. Gafford has been a godsend because he's active. And so now Luka can do what he does, and you got so focused on Luka,

next thing you know, Luka's doing this, and the man's dunking it backwards. Lively, I think Lively might be injured right now. P.J. Washington has been great. Knockdown shots, decent defender, get on the boards. Because look, their problem is never going to be offense. Their problem is going to be stopping people. Look, we know Luka and Kai, between the two, can give you 60 easy on a nightly basis. So that's not going to be their issue.

They can get hot from three with Hardaway Jr. We know Luka can get hot. Kai can get hot. P. issue. They can get hot from three with Hardaway Jr. We know Luka can get hot. Kai can get hot. P.J. Washington can get hot. So we know they can score. But in a nip-tuck ball game, can you get stopped? Clutch time. That's what playoff basketball a lot of times comes down to.

Last five minutes. Game within five. Can you get stopped? Well, they're playing against the Clippers, and Luka owns them. Oh, he dabbed a damn little fault in

him. I mean, last ten games alone, he's averaged 37 against them. Yeah. For his career against them, that means as a rookie alone, he's averaged 37 against them. Yeah. For his career against them. That means as a rookie also, he's averaging 32 against the Clippers. Right? You remember what he did? Paul George, remember?

Oh, can't nobody play defense on the perimeter? Ooh, they might be the best since Scotty and Mike. Luka said, give me each one of them. Hey, as a matter of fact, Gil, I know you ain't much of a fisherman, but in the South, we like, we catch a fish, a small one, we throw him back. Hey, go tell your daddy about me. We catch one little big, hey,

we throw him back, go get your grandpa. So Luka was dusting all of them. He said, hey, PG, go get me Kawhi. Pat Bell, hey, whoever the best. Hey, PG, go get me Kawhi. Pat Bell, hey, whoever the best defender, tell him to come see me. Wah, wah, wah, wah, wah. 45 and 15. Now, they might have won, but he was single-handedly giving them work.

Now, can you imagine the confidence? Because there's something to be said. Like, I feel like I could do no wrong. If I played Kansas City and the Chargers, if I ever played, it didn't matter. On the moon, on the sun, where it's 10,000 degrees, I was going to cook their ass. I believe in Lucas' mind, that's how he feels about the Clippers. No, no, that is how he feels about the Clippers. It's just, that's his team. His team is the Clippers, and he gives them fits.

If Clippers want to get out of this series, there's only one person you have to even focus on. I know they have Kyrie, but this man is Superman. When he's playing against you guys, I'm going to throw a double at him early. I'm going to let him know we're not playing you one-on-one. Hey, fellas, I appreciate all the defense that you've been doing, but he owns y'all, right? He owns

you like that OJ glove. He owns you. That's his. But he owns you. And from there, I'm just going to double him the whole time. I'm not even going to let him get a rhythm of this game.

Even if I lose it, I want him mentally challenged. Right. But if you let him get sturdy and all that, we done. Yeah, I think it's hard. You know, Gil, I think it's just hard because you try to create a situation where you don't let him play so much one-on-one, but it's hard. And you can't speed him up. He goes on his own rhythm.

He's slow motion to begin with. And so even if you speed him up, he's only going to second gear. You don't ever make him play fast. He's like, oh, no. Okay, boo. You know, dude. And, you know, he's behind his back and between his legs. And he's up here and he's up there.

And then he might lay it up from 15 feet. I mean, he's so unique and he's so skilled. And his footwork is so good. I just, the question is, how healthy is Kawhi? Is Kawhi body going to allow him to play a series? Is PG body going to allow him to play a series? Is PG body going to allow him to play a series? And will it allow him to play not one, not

two, but three series? Not one, not two, not three, but four if you advance to the NBA Finals. Is that possible? Hold on. You said finals. Yeah, I said, you know,

you got to win 16 games. So that means you're going to have to go at least four rounds. I got the Clippers winning about five games. Okay, that's it. They can get four in round one. And then if they get to the second, get one, right?

I mean, I don't have them going to the Western Conference Finals. I mean, because they have a Luke and Kyrie that's going to challenge them, and they're going to challenge those guards that they have, which is going to challenge – Hawaii is going to challenge Paul George, which is going to get them tied for the next round.

So, you know, this is a tough matchup for the Clippers. This is a tough matchup for Dallas. But Dallas is favored because Lucas. This is Lucas' team, right? So I'm not playing him straight up. Not one game. So you going to take your chance with Ka? Yeah.

I'm going to let Tim Hardaway. Tim Hardaway, you're going to have to have 50, man. You're going to have to be Luca. Right. You're going to have to be Luka. Right? You're going to have to be, you're going to have to be Luka. I'm not going to let both y'all get off while he's like, it's just a different, Kyrie's Kyrie.

He's going to figure out how to get his point, but I want Kyrie to think like Boston, right? If I'm cutting, if I'm cutting Luka off, Kyrie has to now try to think about the team. So if he's thinking about the team, he's not being Kyrie, right? I want him to be the perfect number two option where he just thinks about kill mode, right?

Right. I want Kyrie to think about getting everybody involved. If you can take Luka out and make Kyrie think about the rest of the team, he probably might look like the Kyrie in Boston where he's trying to be a point guard. If Kyrie's trying to be a point guard, kind of helps us out a little bit. If Kyrie just is out there thinking about scoring, we – Right.

But I'd rather just have him do it than have him and Luka doing that. I think the thing is when you're looking at it, Daniel Gafford is all dumps and layups. So he's probably shooting 80% from the floor because he was 6-6 tonight. Remember, he was on that stretch where I think he made like 25, 30-something straight shots in a row. Kyrie is very efficient even though he takes – I mean, he took 15 shots. He made 10 of them.

He was 5 of 8 from the three. He didn't shoot a free throw. Luka's gotten better from the free throw line. He was 7 of 8, 4 of 15 from the three-point line. I think the thing is, the question is, Gil, do you let Luka get his 40, 50, or do you try to limit him and make him a facilitator? Because we know he's still capable of getting 15 assists, even if you get 40.

Ain't no guarantee. Even if you say, well, you know what? We're going to try to stop Luka. Ain't no guarantee. Even if you say, well, you know what? We're going to try to stop Luka. Ain't no guarantee that you stop him because he still can get 33, 15, and 10. I'm doubling. As soon as he passed half court, I'm running another man at him.

How we had to try to guard Cole and AI, he ain't as fast. Hey, Paul George, you got him. Why go? Every time he touch it, go. Every ain't. Hey, Paul George, you got him. Why go? Every time he touch it, go. Every time he touch it, go. Y'all going to have to play four on three. That's it.

I'm not playing no games. We're not switching no picks. He try pick and roll, we're going to trap it. I am not allowing him to play. Me, if he get five shots up in this quarter, we got a problem. Oh, he getting up. He gonna get shots up. Hey, he better check it from the half court. That's the type

of trap. So you trapping him. You trapping him. As soon as he cross the half court, you got to give it up. I might trap him up. I got the other three-point line. I seen him shoot the half course. I might trap him in. I need to frustrate him. I can't just let him look at half course. I might trap him there. I need to frustrate him. I can't just let him look at one defender.

I need to, I need him to do one of these. Oh man. Oh man. One of those, you know, when you get in double, you get,

you get this, you get this interest. He's all right, man. You sit at the half court, do one of those. That's what I need. But hold on.

What happened to the, what happened to Hold on. What happened to the new Scotty and Mike? Jordan and Pippen ain't trapped nobody. We going to combine them. We going to combine them. We going to have Scotty and Mike doing it together.

We going to blend the two. Like I said, the question is, and then Harden, what version of Harden are we going to get? He doesn't need to be Houston Harden. We know he can have a game where he can go get mid-30s, maybe even 40s, but it's still coming down to Kawhi. If Kawhi is not healthy,

they're not winning the series. I'm going to do this too. If Luka's going to guard Harden, Harden, I need you Houston Harden. No, you can't have that, Gil, because Kawhi and PG are going to lose interest. I do not care. The reason is, Luca has to, if we're going to challenge him when he's on offense,

I need to challenge him when he's on defense. Right. And if he's going to guard the guy who's not gonna score he's gonna get all his rest so that means i need to to hit him on both sides of the court so james harden i need you to be the most aggressive round two and three round two okay kawaii and pg that might but this round we need to challenge Kyrie and Luka. Whoever Luka's guarding, we're going to go at. We have to go at Luka defensively, right? Because if he gets in foul trouble, that hurts his offense.

If you get him in foul trouble, he sits down. He gets frustrated. We need to attack. We can't just let this man play all offense. So if he gets this hit James Harden and James Harden has taken 10 shots, you done did Dallas a great job

because you're worrying about PG. This ain't your series, bro. This ain't your series. Hey, PG said, man, I want that long-term extension. I ain't playing with you, Gil. I better get my shots up. But it's a game plan, right?

If you don't sacrifice for the game plan, then just go ahead and get on up out of here. I sacrifice for my portfolio. Hey, I just saw Holiday get pulled for $135,000.

He said, so I'm looking at pulling for $175. Drew Holiday, I want two for $175. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So, man, you talking about sacrifice. Because if I sacrifice, the first thing you're going to say, I'm slippery. Y'all ain't going to give me no max deal. I need to be on the max. But I think with the media today, even if

he has 30 and all that, and they get out of it, if they don't get out of the first round, they're going to be laughed at. They're not going to be worth money. Sometimes it's just getting out of the round. The best game plan here is keep Luka from trying to play one-on-one basketball and

then attack that man. I don't care who he's got. You find a way to attack him on that side. You got to get him tired. Yeah. So you would take the Clippers? You would take the Clippers? I got to see the first game.

Okay. If they go in my game plan, I'm taking the Clippers. If they're going to go the same thing they've been doing for the last 28 games. But they win. It might take them six or seven games, but the Clippers haven't lost to the Mavericks. Who haven't lost to the Mavericks? They got Kyrie now.

But you say you ain't worried about Kyrie. Huh? You say you ain't worried about Kyrie. Listen, if Luka's going to give you a 30, if he's going to give you a 37, if he's going to give you a 37, what does Kyrie need at this point? Kyrie, well, first of all,

they ain't got nobody guarding Kyrie. No. Paul George, Terrence Mann, Kawhi, Tuck. Ain't nobody seeing him. That's when you better get the ball out of his hand. You know he starts dancing. Oh, man. Dropping these guys.

See, that's what I'm saying. Because I'm dropped. Because Kyrie's going to guard James Harden. That means I'm dropping Paul George. This is simple basketball. Two drop, right? Two drop, put him in that post. PG, he's going to guard you, get you close to the rim, lay that in.

He can't block you. Luka can't block you down there. Like, I'm going to really check. This is one of those where you're playing. You just can't play basketball. Right. Right, I've watched enough playoff games. I've played in some playoff games where I'm looking at like, man, we need to change it up or we're going to lose this series.

There's some series you went in and say, it don't even matter what we do. When we played, I remember we played Miami and Shaq didn't even play two of those games. And I know coach was like, let's just not get swept. Swept, there was nothing we can do. Yeah, I mean, I mean, just think about when Shaq was in his prime, I mean,

they won three in a row, but to get out of there, because it was always a dogfight between them and San Antonio. Because San Antonio had their system, their style, they're going backcountry. Tony Parker was a demon because he could get to the rim

against anybody. He wasn't going to land it. He was going to play a bun low to the rim, but he was going to get to the rim and lay it up. Manu was slashing, knifing to the basket, and Tim Duncan was Tim Duncan.

It didn't matter. He going to get his. But that's going to be a very, very interesting series. I probably would take the Clippers, but it's all contingent on Kawhi. If Kawhi ain't there, they're not beating them without Kawhi. Yeah. I mean, they have enough firepower, but it's still… They're not beating them without Kawhi. I mean, they have enough firepower, but it's still... They're not beating them without

Kawhi Gill. Whoever has the best game plan. I don't care what game plan it came with. They didn't get it from the Pentagon. Without Kawhi, they would not beat them. And I like Ty Lue. I like Ty Lue to out-coach J.K.

But without Kawhi, they're not beating the Ma Jake Heath. But without Kawhi, they not beating the Mavericks. Not without Kawhi. Dallas has been a great defensive team last month, month and a half. They have. They have. That's why I'm saying, without Kawhi, they not beating Dallas. I just got to see that first game. I want to see what the...

If he goes... Go ahead. What do you want to say? Go ahead. They have 41st game. I'm like, all right, clips. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company.

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entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Charles Barkley calls out the Suns for being mentally for being weak and soft.

Let's take a listen to what Chuck had to say. Suns, are they going to figure it out? No, they're not going to figure it out. What does that mean? Well, they're not. They don't have Let's take a listen to what Chuck had to say. I'm not sure what you're expecting, but they're mental toughness. They're weak mentally, and it's not going to go good for them. What do you recommend? How do they fix what they're doing? It's on them, brother. Yeah, but from afar, they're just really soft, and their leadership is not the players' leadership.

The players have not led. What's your take? Oh, man. And it seems to be a real current theme on teams that Kevin Durant's on. We saw this in Brooklyn. Not so much. Look, we know Golden State, Draymond, Steph, Clay, so forth and so on. But I don't remember.

Now, I don't remember hearing anything about leadership when Kevin Durant was in OKC. Now, probably Russ was the leader of the team, and KD was perfectly fine with that. KD won a hoop. KD ain't trying to give no pregame speeches, no midgame speeches, no postgame speeches. Kevin Durant come, get his work in, hoop, go do what he does. But why does everybody seem like,

from a guy that played in the league, outside looking in, maybe you know some things, but what do you think is going on with Phoenix? Because they should be better. I don't care if they ain't got no great elite defenders. They should be better than what they are. I mean, no, we can't say that, but

they haven't been healthy all year long. They traded a lot of their team to get Bill and Bill missed a lot of this season. They traded a lot of their team to get KD too. When you're missing a guy who got rid

of three or four people, you're not going to be as good as you're supposed to be. But I don't like the idea of attacking someone's leadership. How do you know who's leading or not? Right? You don't know. You don't know what's being said in the locker room. You don't know what is being said in practice.

You don't know what because someone doesn't have emotions when you want them to. Having emotions is not necessarily a leader. If Draymond Green wasn't there, would we be saying Steph is not a leader because he don't talk? Right? Denver is Jokic a leader. He don't talk. He don't do pregame speeches.

He don't do none of that. Hell no. Jimmy Butler don't talk. He don't do none of that. Hell no. Jimmy Bullard don't talk. He don't say much. Right? So why are we always challenging someone's leadership because they're losing game or doesn't look as good as it's supposed to look? Basketball is basketball. Everyone leads in different ways.

Right? Who was, when were you a leader? So look, basketball is basketball. Everyone leads in different ways, right? I challenge him. When were you a leader? Let me know what year did you lead your team, right? You can't say the first year you got the Suns because that was Kevin Johnson's team. You were just a hired gun. It wasn't when you went to Houston. When you was in Philly the first year y'all was successful,

that was Dr. J and Moses. Wasn't you, right? They was calling you fat boy. You had to get in shape to be on that team. So we can, from the outside, we can always challenge somebody's leadership when we think they're failing. Right. Right, when we think they're failing. When we think they're failing, so we don't

know who's... Are they working hard? Although, has anybody said they don't come to the gym and work out and work on their craft? No. Have we talked about, man, this has been a bad year for Kevin Durant? No. No, we have not.

He has showed up every single year. have not. He has showed up every single year. Devin Booker has showed up every single year. They've done their part. If somebody's getting hurt, if they're getting hurt, we can't blame leadership on that. They got hurt. But for the most part, when those boys are on that court,

they playing their asses off. Yeah. I mean, you're right I mean people lead in different ways I was more of I think the thing is that you have to understand the team that you're trying to lead

or you've been entrusted to lead because you can't lead every guy and it's a lot different than a football team because you got so many more different guys so many got so many more different guys, so many different, so many more people. And, you know, you got guys, you know, tight ends go to one room and running backs go to one room and wide receivers go to one room. And you got DBs and linebacker, the O-line and D-line and the quarterback. But I think at the end of the day, for me, my job was to make sure everybody understood the assignment.

Everybody was what had bought in. And, you know, I'm looking I'm looking around. Is that OK? Is this the reason why you miss an assignment? Because you try to get to the phone. Is this why you're not doing what you're supposed to? Because, you know, hey, I'm not going to, you know, go tell the coach, hey, coach, he's staying out late. That's why I'm going to come to your league, bro. Now, you do realize Denver is a football town. Yeah. What do you think you can do that Mike's not going to find out about?

Mm-hmm. I mean, you coming in here, you smell like you just got out of that alcohol. Go get your ass in the shower because you reeking. Now we're going to go sit in this meeting room and you're going to be smelling

like that. Bro, come on now. You got 20 weeks. All we ask for, give us four months. Can you give us four, five months? Then after that, if you want to go on a three-month bender, take off with it. But I think the thing is you have to, I mean, like I said, I was more of a, come on now, this is what we expect. I ain't going to let you sleep in the meeting room. I'm not going to let you do what you do. I see you slacking off at practice. I'm going, hey. See, I couldn't just, like, follow my lead. Yeah, follow my lead.

Watch the way I eat. Watch the way I practice. Watch the way I do certain things. But, you know, sometimes you have to give guys a little nudge. But that's okay. Maybe that's not what KD is. And you can't make somebody something that they're not. But how do we know that?

See, that's what I'm saying. All he sees is the games. all he see is the games all we see is the games everybody does it everybody's not draymond green when the cameras are right right right some people some leaders their brains is kind of big where they can't go out there and cuss somebody out right when jordan wanted to cuss somebody out. Right? When Jordan wanted to cuss somebody out, what'd he do? Yeah, but I think the thing on the court, I'm saying in the locker room, at practice, shoot around, where y'all,

you know, do y'all call team meetings? See, I would call a meeting. You know, not many, because at some point in time, it starts to fall on deaf ears, Gil. So I needed to be like a crisis situation before you like, okay, we need to have a discussion about what's

really going on. How do we know that? That's what I'm saying. We don't know how many meetings they have. We don't know who's hanging out. We don't know if they have a film session at KD's house or Booker's house. We don't know. All we're doing is just making up what we want to make up just because they

not winning. Oh, they soft. Everybody soft. The whole team soft. Yeah. Do what we know. I don't see nobody bullying. Ain't nobody ever been able to keep anything a secret. You see that videotape? That videotape got out of Draymond's sock that kid and I

didn't. Yeah, now, was that a leak? Hell no. Lead to a ass whipping. We can challenge everybody's leadership if we want to. Gil, this is what I know. Let me be real with you, Gil, all the way live. And Chad,

I think y'all agree. If we like you, we'll like your leadership style. If we don't, we won't. Yeah. Because I don't give a damn how many championships you won. You nothing to punch me to get me to do my job.

Now my job, I got a different job. My job was to block and catch passes. Now my job is to whip your ass. I got a new job. So I got three jobs now. Now I got to work overtime.

No, no, no, no. Look, I get it. Look, I get it. No, I get it. And I wasn't, like I said, I had to, you know, wait my turn. You know, you come in. I was a seven-round draft pick. I just bided my time. And then as I started to get more and more and more plays,

I understood that, you know, coaches were like, hey, more is expected of me as far as being talkative. My play warrant that I could say some things that probably early in my career I couldn't say, but I don't believe it. I don't believe in that punching people to get

people to do that. I don't get people like, well, if you think Michael punching Steve Kerr in his eye was the reason Steve knocked that shot down,

you actually damn right. Listen, I can tell you this. You punch me, you ain't getting the ball. I ain't even talking about that. Hey, y'all can, hey, you can do whatever you want to do.

You hit me, you're not getting the ball. Only way you get the ball is by holding the court. I will not, I don't give a shit what he called. You're getting the ball from me. And I proved those points plenty of times. Yeah. So, like you said, there are different ways to lead and you have to understand who you're trying to talk to because everybody you can't talk to everybody the same way.

Some guys you can be stirring with some guys you can be facetious with some guys. You're like, damn, bro, my grandma could have called that one. Yeah. That damn son, you are here like a blind dog in a meat house. You know, you're saying things and you're like, well, bro, what'd you do last night? So, you know, you try to lead guys in a way that they understand that because I'm trying to get a guy to do more than he thought he could. At the end of the day, that's really what I'm trying to do. I am.

Look, I ain't trying to look. I'm not your pastor. I'm not your guidance counselor. I'm not your pastor. I'm not your guidance counselor. I'm not your site. I'm just trying to get you to do more than you think you can. And whatever ways I need to do that without, you know, I'm not going to belittle you. I'm not going to mofo you.

Because at the end of the day, we all men. Don't lose sight of that now. Don't ever, don't ever, ever lose sight of that. You might have more tenure than me. You might make more money than me. But guess how I walked in here? As a 22-year-old man. Guess how I'm going to walk out of here?

As a 30-year-old man. Now, if I have to take a ass cutting, or you have to take a ass cutting, you see, it is what it is. But I'm going to be respectful of you. I want you to be respectful of me because at the end of the day, it's all about respect. That's what it's about, Gia. It really is.

But in the NBA, it's power, right? And the star player has the power. And, you know, sometimes if the star player is not the leader the leader don't have no power he gonna have to shut up a little bit right again you know i mean depending on who you are depending on how mentally weak your star player is, you being the leader of that team, you leading everybody but him. That's what happens in locker rooms, right? Like even with someone like Kevin,

your leadership is depicted on the personalities in this locker room. If the personalities in this locker room is soft and you a rah-rah guy, you don't want to be the black dot in the white room. Because they looking at you

like lunchmen. There's more of them. There's more of them. And you the person that stands out, they want you out. So sometimes you got to bite your tongue. Pat Bev, he can't be Pat Bev every team he go to. Maybe just one guy.

He get to beat Pat Bev with one guy. For the most part, he has to pick and choose who he gets to bring that energy to. Right. Right? So, you know, the NBA locker room is not like football, right? We might be tight as hell. You miss me or miss the shot, and I said something that you didn't like, that right there broke the friendship

up. I want you off this team. Damn! It's me to me or him. Hell nah. I mean, we understand, you know, we understand guys go drop a pass, especially in a crucial situation. My thing is that I always look.

Let's not put ourselves in a situation where a missed call or a call that goes against us or a drop or this doesn't cost us a game. So we keep ourselves out of those situations, we'll be fine. We put out, you know, the thing that my used to always tell us, we put ourselves in this situation. We should have put this game away long, long ago. But I think the thing is that for me,

like when I got to Baltimore, I understood the assignment. I understood why I was there because Ozzie and they really felt that they had a team that could contend, but they just needed, you know, somebody on the offensive side that had success. That was vocal. That team was already was very vocal.

They hadn't won anything, but they were primed. And I think the thing is, Ray and Rod were already there. I knew Ray, I knew Rod a little bit because he came in the league in 87. I came in in 90. We had made a couple of Pro Bowls together. So I kind of knew him a little bit. I didn't really know Ray, even though we had made a Pro Bowl together. But I think the thing is, is that our friendship, because, yeah,

I mean, we went five weeks. We didn't score a touchdown. And so it could have easily split at the seams. But I just remember having a conversation with Ray and with Shug and Woody. I was like, guess what? The best thing about football, they don't take units to the Super Bowl. They take teams. And unless we get better on our side of the ball, which we will.

And so we stayed together because that could have pulled us apart. I mean, they're holding people to 10 points and we're losing the game. Yeah. I'm like, oh, bro. And then once we got it going, and you know, they're like, Shay, if y'all give us 10 points early it's over i say man bro we're in the playoff these the best team they say shape give us 10 early it was curtains but you have to you do i mean but you have to pick and choose

how you lead people because everybody doesn't receive what you're giving the same way. Yeah. Some people tune your ass out. Some people might want to lump your ass up. No, our trick, our trick is because everything is moving so fast that we spend a lot of time with each other off the court.

Yeah. Okay. We're making sure we go to movies, dinners, like New Year's, somebody, like I hosted New Year's party at my house.

Right. When we go on the road, like we'll all be playing in each other's rooms, right? We made sure, so we had the friendship so tight off the floor. Whatever happened on the court,

we let it go there. Right? Okay. Yeah. Class, man, I ain't giving you nothing today. Like, you ain't got it. Right? Like, you just a mama's boy.

It didn't affect, like, that real-time trash talking. You having somebody trying to talk to you and, you know, you get to going. Right? That didn't affect us. Right? and you get to going, right? That didn't affect us, right? So it's very important for NBA players to have a real friendship. Because in real time, in real time,

we're on edge all day in games, right? Saying something to this person. This person saying something, we going here, I missed three free throws or something. You tell me, come on, dude. Like, come on. What you mean, come on?

You just got in the game, right? You know, the tension is so high that we don't lose respect for each other during those heated battles. The Celtics' true holiday agreed to a four-year, $135 million contract extension. Holiday becomes the fourth player to sign a guaranteed deal worth at least $100 million at the age of 33 or older. LeBron James, Steph Curry,

and I bet you won't guess who the fourth player is. Holiday is one, LeBron is two, Steph Curry is three. Gil, can you guess? That'd be Kevin Durant. Nope. That's not a match. He signed at least a $100 million deal at the age of 33 or older.

Age of 33 and older. So he had to sign him within the last two, three years. Would that be Chris Paul? Nope. Nope. I don't know. I don't know. Big Al Horford.

Al still in the league. Yeah, man. Al still, Al still cashing them checks. I know. I be forgetting, man. Al was old eight years ago, man. Shit. Al Horford. The Celtics. Jalen Brown will make

$49.3 million. Jason Taylor will make $34.8 million. Holiday will make $30.1 million. Christophe Pazingas will make $29.2 million. And Derek White will make $30.1 million. Christophe Pazingas will make $29.2 million. And Derek White will make $19.5 million. That's the starting lineups.

I don't know. Listen, he lives around the corner. He's a Valley guy. Who that, Holiday? Holiday Boyz is from the Valley. Yeah. I don't know if I'm paying this right now

right now the reason is who is better right now between him and White right I know White numbers is better right now White is about, what, four years younger?

Play the same type of game. Could I do better with that money and free agency? And that would have been my thing, right? Can I do better with this money? Can I get a Klay Thompson as a premier?

Nah, he coming to the Lakers. Huh? No, I'm just saying, it seems like he likes shooting a staple. So we going to break his ass here and let him play 42 games in staples. I'm just saying, you know, right now his going rate, four years, 40 million, four years, 60. Right, I saved myself a lot of money. Right?

I got a guy who plays defense. I got a guy who hits the shot a guy who who hits the shot he knows how to move um you know what other free agents is out that i can i can get i mean drew holiday average is 12 5 and 4 he's a two-way player but i have that in and i have the same thing in white um white is gonna be up a year from now. Then you have Jason Tatum I got to pay. Jason Tatum is going to get down there. Well, they say Luka can get command the highest contract, about $380, $400 million.

But Jason Tatum is going to be right there. Yeah, so you know what I mean? So I got money, so I don't know if I'm guaranteeing. I mean, it's not a bad deal, right? It's not a bad deal for right? It's not a bad deal for me. This is one of those, I guess this is one of those deals where he's such a good guy,

probably a good guy in the locker room. Yes. He's sacrificing for the betterment of the team. Oh, he's definitely sacrificing his offense. He might be one of those, like I know, I understand those deals where, but I mean, Boston screwed a lot of people over.

So this would have been just another one of those type of players that you're going to screwed. And when it's a free agency to see what you can do, but you know, he's earned the money. You know, this is, you know, this is one of those things is he's a two-time all-star five-time defensive player. First team last things. He's a two-time All-Star, five-time defensive player. First team last year. He's playing great this year.

They even elevated, you know, 135 with the max being 380. He's worth it. He's worth it. Dime Magazine ranked the top challengers to theeltics in the east playoffs number one was milwaukee dime magazine ranked the top challenges to the celtics like dime like d-i-m-e yeah dime magazine okay uh i'll give you the top five milwaukee was one the 76ers was two. The Knicks were three. The Heat were four. Orlando Magic, five. What seems out of place to you?

Given Giannis' injury, Bucs should be nine. Yeah. See, Jet Magazine. Jet Magazine, they top five. They got Heat 1, Knicks 2, Philly 3,

Magic 4, Bucks 5. I'm saying if Joel Embiid is going to stay healthy, Joel Embiid is the number one threat to the Sixers. To the... I mean, he's the number one threat to the Sixers. To the... I mean, he's the number one threat to the Celtics. Excuse me. Nah, nah, nah. That's lunch meat.

No, no, no. Not with Tyrese Max and him. Oh, no. All Owls own him. Who? Al Horford? Man, that's your old cook, Al. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I don't even know if Embiid has beaten Boston.

Billy Cheesesteak. What you want on it? Nah. Nah. You want Cheesewins? What you want? Listen, he tried to bring Al in to help him get past Boston. Nah, nah.

That's one. Like, I'm not. I'm not. That's one team he don't want to play. I want him. With retire Rich Maxey. I like Oubre. Oubre's been a very, very sneaky, nice addition. I still don't know what happened with that bicycle,

but that's neither here nor there. That's neither here nor there. We're going to let that go, Gil. We're going to let that go. We don't know what happened, but he's back now. Man, mispracticed. Missed back now. But man, man, miss, miss practice.

Mr. Gay. So he got ran over. Hey, no, now, you know, all these streets,

these majors, major cities got CCTV everywhere. Ain't nobody got no cell phone video. Ain't nobody got no dash cam video. Ain't nobody got no GoPro video. Ain't nobody got no video or nothing. All they do is see him coming in, coming into his building with a bicycle on his shoulder. Hey, hey, hey.

It happened. No, but look, I got Heat. I mean, Heat knows how to play them well, right? You know, Heat has been having their number. The reason I say that Knicks is, Knicks is the defensive team. Boston is a jump shooting team, right? They love the jumper, right? You got someone like Brunson controlling the game, making it a half court game,

that could be a good series. I got Philly third. And the reason I got Philly third is, you know, they do have Embiid, but Embiid is not as healthy as he was when he was getting his ass whooped by Boston. But they do have Embiid, right? So usually Embiid is going to give you about 32, 33 and 12 against them. Not good enough, right? It's not good enough to beat Boston.

That's why we need Maxie. Maxie should be able to give us 25. If we get Oubre, give us 18. Tobias Harris is going to give us, Tobias is going to finally earn that max contract he got and give us 14. You don't watch Puss in Boots. You don't watch the last.

Just make all kind of wishes. No. That's not how this one works. Embiid usually tries to play this game one-on-one because he thinks he's the best player in the series, and he can beat him by himself, and that's what usually happens in this series against him, and it's always

happened. Those last five minutes, he refuses to pass the ball to anybody else, and that's what Boston plays on, that refuses to pass the ball to anybody else. And that's what Boston plays on. That Embiid is going to do what Embiid does and try to go for like Embiid needs to literally average about 39 and 14. He has to go above and beyond against Boston. All I need is Tyrese Maxey to be Tyrese Maxey. That's all I need Tyrese Maxey to do. NB going to give me 35. Tyrese Maxey, give me 25.

Oubre, give me 18 to 20. Tobias, give me 14 to 16. Oh, he going to... Then they have to do what they did with you and Ray. Hey, hey, hey. Just give it to me in the first... Let me speak to you for a little bit. Ray, hey, hey, hey, just give it to me in the first. Let me speak to you for a little bit.

All the numbers you just said is going to have to be in the third by the third quarter. Because once the fourth quarter comes, it'll be the same. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content,

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