Nightcap - Hour 1: Justin Fields gets traded, Aaron Donald retires, Bruno Mars' massive debts
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07:08 for a six-round draft pick. The Steelers had just recently acquired Russell Wilson. In January, ESPN's Jeremy Fowler wrote that consensus in an informal poll of the league evaluators is that Fields was worth
07:24 somewhere between a second or a third round pick in a pre-draft trade. At the NFL Combine in Indy, the Athletic polled eight league coaches and executives who said Fields would likely go for a second or a third round pick. Ocho,
07:40 did the Bears botch this? I really think they do. But for them to let him go with not much value and consideration for the talent that he is, I see it as somewhat disrespectful in a sense. And that is how they thought of him. That is what they valued him if that's what they got for conversation as far as concerned when it comes to justin fields um to to turn things around a little bit more i was kind of confused
08:12 by the move as well i was kind of confused by the move as well but when i put things together and putting in better context seeing that russell wilson's on a one-year deal i'm assuming this would be a year for russell wil Wilson to put a good resume together, to put together some good film to get back to being a starter somewhere else in the NFL the following year. And I'm assuming Justin Fields
08:34 is going to be quarterback one for the future for the Steelers. Now, correct me if I'm wrong. Am I right with this? I like the way that sounds. I believe so, too. He gets an opportunity to study up under a guy that's a very, very, very professional. Goes about his work.
08:50 He understands the process of what it takes to become a great quarterback in this league. Russell Wilson earned his way. He was a third-round draft pick. They signed Flynn from Green Bay, gave him a lot of money, and Russ beat him out for the job. But it seems to me that Justin Fields has been informed that he's not going to be allowed to compete for the job. I don't know how you tell somebody they can't compete for the job because I'm going out every day trying to get better, Ocho. So whether or not you give me the job, that ain't got nothing to do with me.
09:18 I'm going to compete. I think it's a good thing that he did come out and say that right away so there is no confusion that Russell Wilson knows he doesn't have to look over his shoulder. Small situation in comparison. Jimmy G, when Tom Brady was a quarterback, there's a certain level of uncomfortability with having someone that is maybe not you, maybe not as good as you. But the fact that when he is in there, he does play well. I think it's very unsettling for quarterback number one.
09:45 So I think the Steelers want to put in Russell's mind, put you at ease, letting you know you are quarterback number one. Let's focus on the offense and what you need to do for us to get where we're trying to get to. And that's backing contention, for one, to the playoffs. And doing what we're used to doing is trying to win a goddamn Super Bowl. And I think Russell Wilson is the guy to do that. Even though I'm a banger, I'm just going to be realistic and honest about what they have offensively in Russell Wilson.
10:13 Ochoa, I remember this thing came up during the season. I said, Ochoa, trade him at the trade deadline. I said, they're not going to pass on two number one quarterbacks overall. They're not going to do it. Justin Fields is not going to be there. So the lady you let this thing play out, Ochoa, I know you got to get rid of it yeah why would i give you asking price why would i give you a third round a second or third round pick when i know you got to get rid of it i know you can't have him looking over this rookie quarterback that you took over that you
10:37 took with the first overall pick and he was the starter for the past two and a half three years i know that so why would i give you what you asked for? Now Chicago said, well, he wanted to go to Pittsburgh. You mean, so if you want to appease Justin Fields, don't draft Caleb Williams. So that told me that you really didn't want to appease him. Now you mean to tell me when was the last time somebody turned down
10:57 a second or third round pick for a sixth round pick next year? No. Absolutely not. That's damage control. Y'all lost out on this. And y'all let these quarterback carousels get filled. You let Baker Mayfield go back to the Bucs. You let Cousins go to the Falcons. Now, where was
11:14 he going to go? You up against it. You look foolish just releasing him. But that's basically what you did. You got a sixth round draft pick. If he plays, it can go to a fourth but considering that he's not gonna play so guess what it's gonna be a sixth round draft pick they chicago botched this from the beginning because i would have traded him last year i
11:35 would have traded him at the trading deadline knowing that i'm not passing up this quarter caleb williams two so you mean to tell me you're going to pass on Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud, and Caleb Williams in back-to-back seasons? No. Come on, man. Trade him at the trade deadline. You weren't going anywhere. Guess what?
11:56 You got the first pick, and now you might have had the second or the third pick. So now you really could have got your quarterback. You could have got your receiver. Now you get Keenan Allen. So maybe, maybe you're good. Who knows? I don't, I don't believe Marvin Harrison Jr.
12:11 Is going to fall to nine. No, I don't believe he will. Maybe you can get that. Maybe you can get an offensive tackle. Maybe you can get the all kid out of Notre Dame, Notre Dame at nine. Maybe you get a pass. Maybe you get a pass rus rush. Maybe you get something, but I'm just saying, Ocho. I would
12:28 have traded Justin Fields last year at the trade deadline before, or I definitely would have traded him before. I would have traded him during the trade deadline, but I'm definitely trading him before free agency because once that happens, Ocho. Yeah.
12:44 All right, But that's showing your hand too, huh? That's showing your hand. That's what the Bears didn't want to do. The Bears didn't want to show their hand. I think they overanalyzed and they overthought and put themselves in a pickle. Overanalyzing, overthinking shit instead of trying to
12:59 fool the masses. When you saw Ray, when Ray slid in your DM, you met him. It wasn't no more, I ain't going to show my hand. You put her ass on IG. You let everybody know, I got this one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who the hell you fooling? Yeah, I mean, we all knew
13:16 that, but I'm not sure why management or the organization, why you playing games? Who you trying to fool? This is a generational talent that's coming into the league. It's okay. It's okay. There's a certain notion that you have to be secretive,
13:32 that you have to wait to the last minute and make it like it's a surprise. This one didn't be no goddamn surprise. You know you're drafting them. You know you're drafting them. Just go ahead and do what you need to do and set your team up, set your organization up for the future. Let me, let me, let me, tell me, stay with me right here, Ojo, and see if you need to do and set your team up, set your organization up for the future. Let me, let me, let me, tell me, stay with me right here,
13:47 Ochoa, and see if you can agree with me. Yeah. What they were trying to do, they didn't want to tip their hand, oh, we might keep Justin Fields. So somebody needs to come in and give us a first or a third
13:58 because there's the potential of us keeping him. And if they want to, if they really want him, that means they're going to have to pry him away from us. Right. See, they were want him, that means they're going to have to prime away from us. Right. See, they were trying to like,
14:08 we don't know what direction we're going to go in. We're not saying anything. Trying to drive Justin Fields' value up. Value up. Right, right, right. But here's the thing. If you got a car, Ocho, you know this about automobiles.
14:21 You don't buy them like you used to, but you know every three to four years they come out with a new model, a new body style. Now you get left with, okay, now you wait until the body style is actually out and see if you're going to get what you would have got had you got rid of it two years ago
14:34 or a year before the new body style came out. And that's what happened. They let a new body style, they let a new quarterback potentially hit the market, which is Caleb Williams. I know you got to get rid of that old body style. They let a new quarterback potentially hit the market, which is Caleb Williams. I know you got to get rid of that old body style. What you looking like having two of the same cars, Ocho, in your driveway?
14:54 I have another question. Another question for you. Obviously, I don't know the record, but at the trade deadline, at the trade deadline, how are the Bears doing as a team? I know they didn't have a great season. They only won about six or seven games, Ocho. Yeah, obviously because they're picking first, right?
15:09 Yes. That's Carolina's pick. That's Carolina's pick. So you already know you got that in the bag, Ocho. You already know you got that in the bag. Yeah, I think, I'm assuming maybe they didn't want to trade him at the trade deadline because the team might have been, there might have been some type of momentum,
15:24 something going on offensively i had just just something about even the fans were chirping about keeping them and i think the bears just didn't want to make that move in season while things were going going the way they were even though they were i'm not saying they were playing well but they were there was they played well in spurts they had great moments the bears did have offensively so i think that might might have been one of the reasons why they didn't let him go at the trade deadline. And this notion where he wanted to go to Pittsburgh.
15:48 Really? So you want to go to a place where you know you're not going to play. At least, what about if they trade you to a place that say, yeah, we'll let you come in and compete for the job. So you want to go
15:58 and just sit on the bench? Is that, we're not, Ocho, we're not wired like that? Yeah, no, no, no. We're not wired like that. no no absolutely not everybody's a competitor yeah everybody's a competitor you don't want to go sit on the bench but I think with understanding
16:13 with understanding and common sense with Justin Fields and knowing that Russell is on a one year deal knowing that sitting behind a perennial pro bowler a Super Bowl champion I know this is knowing that sitting behind a perennial pro bowler, a Super Bowl champion, I know this is my job next year for the foreseeable future.
16:32 So you know what? I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. And we talk about Justin Fields is young. We talk about the next 10 years, this can be your job in, I'm about to say in Philly, in Pittsburgh. Yeah.
16:44 According to Ian Rappaport, the Bears had several offers for Fields this offseason, but sent him to Pittsburgh because that's what Fields preferred. At least four additional teams inquired about trading for Fields, but Fields' representation asked for him not to be traded there. He wanted the Steelers, and the Bears did right by him. What you mean? Wait, I have a question. Yes. right by him. What you mean? Wait, I have a question. What if he did want to go to the Steelers in understanding he could beat out the quarterbacks that were there previously
17:09 before Russell Wilson got traded? Maybe those are the words from Justin Fields in understanding, you know what, Mason Rudolph? Yeah, maybe he could beat those. I can beat those guys out. I want to go to Pittsburgh. But all of a sudden, boom, then Russell Wilson goes in. Exactly.
17:27 And now things change. Right. So your thought process should change. Well, you got to think. All right, let's take it now. Let's take it back. Let's say your thought process changes. Oh, shit.
17:39 Russell Wilson's in Pittsburgh now. Now where else do you go? We have a chance to beat a quarterback out. Think about it. Oakland. He could be that Gardner Minshew. He could be that Aiden O'Connell. That'd be a good one.
17:54 Him and Gardner. Gardner and Minshew. Gardner and Minshew. Gardner and Minshew's been a starter before now. He has. Jacksonville. He looked damn good. He played good in spurts as well.
18:05 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I think that's exactly what happened. He wanted to go to Pittsburgh, and all of a sudden, the Russell Wilson deal goes down, and boom, oh, shit. Now I'm stuck. And it's already out there on where you want to go, so you had no choice. You got to pull the trigger.
18:21 He better than the Jazz. He beat out Daniel Jones. Ooh, they just paid Daniel all that money. You know, I think they would purposely let Daniel start for the next two years because they paid him so much. They're not going to have that much money sitting on the bench.
18:36 The Broncos paid Russ all that money. The Packers paid Aaron Rodgers all that money. Philly paid Carson Wentz all that money. We've seen them eat $40 million, eating $80 million, eating $40 million, eating $48 million, $38 million. So don't give me that they don't pay. No, no, no,
18:54 they'll eat that money, Ocho. They'll eat that. I think it was too late, though, especially with representation already saying where you wanted to go. Vikings ain't got no quarterback. Who the Vikings quarterback? Oh, Dave, yo. That would have been a perfect situation.
19:11 Yeah, you know my business. When the Kirk Cousins went last, he got... He in Atlanta. Right? Yeah, I mean, it was last week, right? Yes. Yeah, see, all this has probably been going on behind the scenes for a very long time, and he wasn't thinking that
19:25 he wasn't thinking that representation didn't know as well you don't know where players are going until it actually happens but here's the thing though behind the scenes they be knowing
19:35 agents be talking yeah cause they they playing off each other so what do you hear what do they offer you what do they offer your guy cause most time agents have multiple clients and they're not all in one position playing off each other. So what do you hear? What do they offer you? What do they offer your guy? Because most times
19:46 agents have multiple clients and they're not all in one position. Only two quarterbacks have a hundred or more interceptions and sacks taken in the last two seasons. Both of them now play for the Steelers, Russ and Justin Fields. So when you combine
20:04 the sacks and the INTs over the last two seasons, both of those guys have at least 100. The Steelers turned up. Think about this. The Steelers just turned the Pickett, Trubisky, Mason Rudolph quarterback room into Justin Fields and Russell Wilson.
20:19 And all they're going to cost them was a third-day draft pick next year and $1.2 million. Steelers been doing it. Boy, they been... was a third-day draft pick next year and $1.2 million. Yeah. Steve has been doing it. Boy, they've been... Yeah. Listen, I think it's a great steal.
20:30 I think it's a great... I think it's a great... Hell yeah! It's a great steal, but it's a great steal. It's a great steal because we know what Russell Wilson is capable of doing.
20:38 And I think he's going to look like the old Russell Wilson based on the organization he's with, a winning organization, the head coach he's with, one that's not going to berate him and disrespect him publicly, like you know who did out there in Denver. They're going to allow Russ to cook and do what he's used to doing. The fact that we're coming out and saying you are quarterback number one
20:59 to put you at ease and allowing you to focus on learning offense, and I think they're going to hit the ground running. And I think they're going to hit the ground running. I really think they're going to hit the ground running because the level of talent and, you know, a quarterback is only as good as a supporting cast. Only as good as a supporting cast. And you've seen the flashes with that young boy, with a young boy could do that. Damn it. Oh, Pickens.
21:24 Pickens. Pickens. Oh, yeah. Oh, man, we've seen the flashes now. We can get him to play hard on every play. I know what you're going to say about the block. We get him going on every play? Yeah. Listen, we talk about a young fella, man.
21:36 He taking everything to the house. Short routes, intermediate routes. He can go deep. He can do it all. Najee Harris is exceptional as well. Jalen Warren. With the ground and prong. And what's the…
21:48 Jalen Warren, number 30. Oh, boy. That boy know he can tote that rock. Boy, he fast. They got a nice little dynamic there in the backfield. And I think they can protect Russell Wilson as well. They're going to be all right. Well, until they play the Bengals, they're going to be all right.
22:01 Yeah. So, what do you think? What's their record? What's the Steelers' record next year? 17-game schedule. What do you think they'll be? 10-7, 11-6, 12-5, 9-8, 8-9? I say 9-8 in playoffs.
22:21 9-8 in playoffs. They're definitely going to the playoffs. Right. They're definitely going to the playoffs Right They're definitely going to the playoffs All I know is my Broncos Better put something at quarterback Oh boy Hey listen
22:30 Y'all might want to chalk it up Broncos fans Might as well get ready for the tears Me or nah They better not Might as well get ready for the tears Matter of fact You know what the Broncos need to do?
22:41 I don't Who the quarterbacks The Broncos got right now? Jared Stidham And Ben DiNucci. Jared Stidham. Every time you drop back to throw the ball, just look for Brandon Johnson.
22:52 That's it. That should save you right there. My nephew, Brandon Johnson. What position did he play? Receiver. Yeah, get the knowing. Get the knowing. Is Corlin Sutton still there? Yeah. Well, that the knowing. Get the knowing. Is Courtland Sutton still there?
23:07 Yeah. We're definitely better looking for him. Well, no, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. They're going to double court. We're rolling. We're 14.
23:15 We're 14. Roll the X. Roll the X. I don't care. We're going to Brandon Johnson every time. Jared Stidham, Ben DiNucci. Throw it to Courtland Sutton or throw it out of bounds. Those are your two options.
23:28 Again, no, that's not the, I'm telling you, the right option to throw to. No, they got Marvin Mims. I like Mims. No, no, no, no, no. I like Marvin Mims. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mims is nice.
23:37 Mims is very nice. But again, I'm telling you the answer. I'm telling you the problem. If you want to solve the issues at the receiver position and who's next up in line as one of the best yeah I'm telling you where to take the ball throw it right to 89 uh Mike Cliss is reporting of news nine suggested that for now Stidham is most likely the starter and the team will look to add a rookie in the mix Broncos were limited what they can do for one big reason. By releasing Russell Wilson, they accumulated
24:05 a massive dead cap and cannot compete with top quarterback salaries. Sam Darnold cost the Minnesota Vikings $10 million, a contract that would have cost the Broncos, Russell, half of their entire available cap space. Well, that's why, hey, when you make those kind of decisions, when you make
24:22 those decisions, okay, you have to live with the ramifications that come with the decisions that you made. You made the bed, you got to lie in it, like my grandma used to say. Yeah, I just think the thing is, Ocho,
24:32 look, I get it. It's a lot of times when new coaches, new staff come in, they want their own people. But look, I just don't believe that Sean Payton gave Russ
24:44 a fair chance. I just think he came in and heard some of the things that have been going on for the year prior to him being there, and it just rubbed him the wrong way. But I hope this thing works out because at the end of the day, I don't have no loyalty to Sean Payton. I'm the Broncos. Let's be realistic. You hope what works out.
25:03 I hope this's this situation where I am doing what he's doing wait you listen you know the situation is not going to work itself out until you have you are only as good
25:11 as your quarterback you're only going as far as your quarterback is going to take you you have to understand you guys don't have a quarterback oh shit
25:18 you ain't going to be able to get no quarterback for another two three years well I know they ain't going to get one this year but they should be able to get one next year damn
25:24 like who well maybe everybody else everybody else is locked in three years. Well, I know they ain't going to get one this year, but they should be able to get one next year. Damn. Like who? Well, maybe they... Everybody else is locked in. Everybody else is locked up. Well... You think somebody magic just going to appear and all of a sudden just become great out the blue? Nah, that's not how it work. Ain't never... Where you going?
25:39 But here's the thing, Ocho. At the end of the day, the Broncos junked the gun. Because Russ had two more years left on that contract, and they didn't have to do anything. At least, wait, say, you know what? This is a new environment. He got to learn a new offense.
25:54 He's in a new environment. Let's see how this first year. The first year would have told you, I'm not doing anything the second year. Right. Yeah. It's their own fault. It's their own fault. It's their own fault.
26:08 You didn't have to do anything. You think it's more Sean Payton's doing? I thought the Broncos were doing extending it when they didn't have to. You didn't have to, Ocho. He's about to start the extension this year. He played two years on his old deal.
26:25 They gave him more new money. You didn't have to do that. Says, look here, Russ, this is a new offense. You're in a new place. We're going to see how we want you. That's why we traded for you and gave up the compensation that we gave. But we want to see how this first year goes. Well, if you see how the first year goes, guess what, Ocho?
26:42 You're not going to extend it. And so now you're making play out the second year. Now you get to move on. No harm, nocho? You're not going to extend it. And so now you're making play out of the second year. Now you get to move on. No harm, no foul. You got all your available cap space. If anything, I would have allowed Rush
26:52 to get to his third year a little bit more familiar with the system. Well, you don't believe anymore, Ocho. With the coach, yeah. It's like being in a relationship when you already know it's done
26:59 and you just hanging on. You're like, you know the relationship is over. She doing her thing. You doing your thing. What the hell you stand for? Yeah, but you stand
27:07 under the same roof. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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30:28 Dorian Thompson-Robinson, Tyler Hunt. I like that. I like that. They got them. Hey, they quarterback room like new addition. Yeah. Well, first of all, you already know they ain't keeping. They ain't keeping.
30:40 First, when you got a quarterback that's making that much money as a starter and a backup making that much money, you're only keeping two. Well, you got to have a third, though. You got to have a third making that much money, you're only keeping two. You got to have a third though. You got to have a third. You got to have a third for scout team. But most of the scout team is going to be taken by Jameis because that's going to be where he gets his work. You know how
30:55 they take two reps. You know, you got 10 reps. The backup take one or two. Deshaun takes most of them. He gets most of his work doing scout team. Who the odd man out? Who the odd man out? Deshaun takes most of he gets most of his work doing scouting right but you know you're right you might you know man out man out Dorian oh
31:13 has Tyler Huntley ever won a game I'm not sure he ever won a game remember he was in Green Bay wasn't he in Green Bay didn't get drafted by Green Bay I don't think he's ever won a game oh that was the backup to the Ravens oh yeah I like him yeah that's him
31:32 oh I like him no no he isn't hey as a matter of fact hey I like him yeah he's nice he's nice but damn damn I didn't know the Ravens got rid of him
31:41 I like him he played well yeah he played well when he was in there. I was thinking about the guy from you, the one that went to Green Bay. I was thinking of him. My bad. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Chad.
31:57 Yeah, yeah, okay. That's going to be interesting. That's a very interesting quarterback role. Like I said, I had a brief conversation with Deshaun in Vegas. He seemed good. Obviously, he went through a surgery on his shoulder and see how soon he's going to be.
32:14 Obviously, they'll take it slow, but he should be pretty close to being able to throw here in the next four to six weeks here, Ocho? Yeah, by the time he gets to training camp. by the time they go to OTA by the time they go to OTA he'll be good he'll be good he should be good he definitely should be good Ocho one of the great defensive players one of the great NFL players of all time decided to call it a career Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald announced his retirement Friday after 10 dominant
32:40 seasons in those 10 seasons Aaron Donald a three-time defensive player of the year he's one of three players to win that award at least three times, along with Lawrence Taylor and J.J. Watt. He's also an eight-time first-team All-Pro and a 10-time Pro Bowl selection. He was a Pro Bowl selection every single year of his
32:57 career, and he was an eight-time first-team All-Pro. Donald is one of the two defensive players since the merger happened in 1970 to earn a Pro Bowl selection each of their first 10 seasons alongside Hall of Famer Lawrence Taylor. Donald, Aaron Donald,
33:14 and Barry Sanders are the only players in NFL history to play 10 seasons, get elected to the Pro Bowl in each of those seasons. Barry Sanders played exactly 10 seasons, retiring in 1998. Aaron played exactly 10 seasons, retiring in 1998. Aaron Donald played 10 seasons, ended his career with 111
33:30 sacks, the second most among primary defensive tackles. Johnny Randall got kicked out of the defensive end later in his career. He ended his career with 137.5. The sack became an official stat in 1982. He is the greatest defensive player of his generation.
33:48 Will we see another Aaron Donald? Oh, man, that's a good one. That's a good one because I didn't even know Aaron Donald was going to be Aaron Donald coming out of Pitt. I had no idea he would turn into the monster that has chastised offensive lines and quarterbacks the past decade. I had no idea. I'm not sure at what point it clicked for him once he got to the next level, but it did. It did.
34:11 Obviously, the defensive line position is something that I've never really paid attention to, so maybe other people that did pay attention to him in college knew what he was before he even got to the NFL. I thought, Ocho, I watched him at Pitt. And I was like, damn. But I didn't know he was that small. I didn't know he was that short. He's not small now.
34:32 He might be compact, but he put together. Yeah, he's styled. He put together. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I remember seeing him. I remember seeing him, his rook heading into the draft. And I was like, is that Aaron Donald? I'm like, well, damn.
34:46 But you watch his hands. You watch the way he has hands like a wide receiver getting off the bump. And his feet. And so I'm like... Listen, Aaron Donald is one of the few defensive players that I've seen at that size. And his footwork is exactly... And I'm not exaggerating, Chad. His footwork is exactly just as quick,
35:06 just as ballerina-like, a wide receiver. Just as quick. I mean, his movement, his lateral movement, I'm like, man, what the hell? You're not supposed to be moving the way he moves at that size, at that position.
35:24 Yes. Which gives him an advantage against anybody. I don't care whether you're W teaming him or not. Right. His first step off the ball? Oh, my God. The way he could turn speed to power. He could bend the edge. I mean, he has
35:40 no weakness rushing the quarterback. He can bull you. He could hump you. He could bend the edge. He turned, like I said, he can boil you he could hump you uh he could bend the edge uh he turned like i said he could turn oh he could the way he could set you up i mean he's this is in chop and he's by you and because he's playing that cock three he's in that three technique and so now he's right there on your quarterback now you better not miss him with your hands your hands better be good because he's right there on your quarterback. Now, you better not miss him with your hands. Your hands better be good because he's right there on your quarterback. He's right there. And then they started moving him up and
36:07 down. And so now he's turning each door hammer. Okay, that one's locked. That one's locked. Uh-oh, they left this one open. He's in. So that's what you do with your pre-run line. You slide him up and down the line. Okay, where's the weak link? You better not be the weak link that day because he's going to wear your ass out.
36:23 And that's what he was able to do. Man, he played an under tackle. He could play the five. And the funny thing about it, depending on where he's positioned on the field, his technique changes. Yeah. His technique changes based on where that may. I could watch him get skinny on a double team and still get through.
36:45 His hands is good on contact. You can't get hands on him because, oh, he can get small. He can go low. He can dip a shoulder left or right, man. Everything about him is phenomenal. And on top of that is what I call being well-rounded. Some people are just strong and have no technique. Some people have great technique
37:06 and are strong. But when you got both and you're able to put it all together in one, you get Aaron Donald. He was so good. He was so good with that Mr. Miyagi wax on, wax off.
37:17 Oh, yeah. Quick. I mean, Ojo, I would just wish people could understand the intricacies of rushing the passer. Because obviously, I didn't block a lot, but I did have to understand. So I had to watch what was his move?
37:30 What was the guy's setup move? What was he initially trying to do? Okay, was he trying to get me to set my feet? Because now if I set my feet, he's going to bull me. I understood that. Okay, if I got lazy with my hands, he's going to chop me. And now I always had to be strong with the outside. I understood that because, hey, I know John's taking seven.
37:48 And the last thing I want to do, I can let him step up. So I'm never going to let the guy beat me across my face. Because if he gets around the edge, I can push him around. John can step up in the pocket. So you just have to understand who you're dealing with and what's his setup move. Okay, once I shut down his setup move now we can play football never let him beat you with his initial move ojo if a guy likes to bull
38:10 no you got to sit heavy if a guy likes to get around the edge no you got to take that kick you hey you got to kick harder than you think you can't get lazy with that kid hey you got to get up out of there ojo because if you don't, he's riding the edge. Yeah. And so that's the thing. Once you make contact, okay, you stuffed his initial move. Now you play football. Now, hey, Ocho, we're in a street fight. He's trying to throw me. I'm trying not to get thrown.
38:37 Right. And then another question. Yeah, another question that I thought about. Someone that has played so well as he has were they trying to was he trying to beat them to the punch and trying to make it take a pay cut no hell no he's trying to be my bro this year yeah for yeah even though but I'm just trying to think why would Aaron Donald at such a great point in his career when he's playing so well why would he want to retire I don't think he's not one that's been injured much. Because the thing
39:06 is with him is that he's one of the few players they bang every time. You don't get no plays off because he got to hit that guard they bang it. He playing no 50 plays because you know there's 65 plays and he's probably playing 45
39:22 to 50 of those. It's boom, boom, boom, boom. boom, boom. The double team. I mean, think about it. They're double team. They're triple team. They're doing everything they possibly can because when you go into an offensive meeting, they normally have, we had the Reggie White circle.
39:37 We had the Bruce Smith circle. We had the Derek Thomas circle. We had the Johnny Ramsey. You couldn't beat them if you couldn't block those guys. Now, we played Minnesota when they had Purple Rain. They had Chris Dolman. They had Chris Millard. They had Hank Henry Thomas.
39:52 If you're from Minnesota, if you're a football fan, you know what I'm talking about. And they had Al Noga. And boy, they start blowing that horn, Ocho, and that dome. Yeah. Make it stop, Lord yeah make it stop lord make it stop right right they was hell so you know going into the game who you must neutralize to have a chance because if you couldn't block aaron donald
40:16 you couldn't beat them lt was the same way lt lt you couldn't block lt everybody that lt made two and i tell people this is why you can make a case. L.T. is the greatest player because he made two positions famous. Because if you didn't have a left tackle, you couldn't beat the Giants. Right. And then everybody went and got. They went and got the Cornelius Bennett. They went and got the Derek Thomas.
40:37 They went and got the Vaughn Millers. They went and got all those guys, the T.J. Watts. That's L.T. All the chops. See, L.T. wasn't good enough to drag the quarterback down. L.T. was with the chop. So that's what all the chops, see LT wasn't good enough to drag the quarterback down, LT was with the chop so that's when I say it's hard for me to say the greatest greatest player in NFL history because he's the only guy that made two positions
40:54 famous nobody thought there was no left tackle yeah well you better get one Minnesota went out and got Gary Zimmerman and they went out and got all these guys. Jimbo. Because if you couldn't block 56, you couldn't beat the Giants.
41:10 You couldn't. That's crazy, man. I'm mad. I'm sad. I'm sad. Shit, I'm sad to see him got the MVP. I am too. I am too.
41:19 He wrote on social media throughout my career, I've given my everything to football, both mentally and physically. 365 days a year. Was dedicated to become the best possible player I could become. I'm excited about off-field opportunities. I'm looking forward to spending more time with my wife, Erica, my kids, Jada, AJ, Arik, and Alia. The greatest reward was being able to play this game with them by my side, and I can't wait to watch them live out their dreams
41:45 just as they watch me live out mine. Mm. That's live. That's dope. That's dope. That's dope. Aaron, I know you're going to see it, but I wish you the best.
41:53 I wish you the best. He's a great dude, man. Had an opportunity to speak. Talked to him a little bit. Got a chance to know. Man. Like I said, Ochoa, I came up in an era where, you know,
42:04 we had a lot of those great defensive players the Reggie's the Bruce the LT the Derek Thomas Johnny Randall this hey when it's all said and done now you can rank them how you want to but he got those three defensive players for me I give
42:19 LT a slight nod because I mean you you win the LT1 MVP as a defensive player. No, I'm not saying defensive player of the year, Ocho. I'm saying MVP. The award that Lamar Jackson got, a defensive player got it.
42:40 Yeah. He was dominant. I don't think people understand because they weren't in. They don't. You would have had to been there to see it, to understand how effective and dominant Lawrence Taylor was. And remember, when he first got to the line, he was rookie of the year and defensive player of the year.
42:59 Of the year, yeah. So that would be equivalent of who's ever coming out in the draft this year with defensive rookie of the year and defensive player of the year. Yeah. So that'll be the equivalent of who's ever coming out in the draft this year wins Defensive Rookie of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season. And remember when LT came out, the sack wasn't an official stat. The sack didn't become a stat until
43:17 the year later. Right. That's crazy. You know what's funny? On Wednesdays and Thursdays, you know, I always go to Twin Peaks. I always go to Twin Peaks to watch my soccer games. Right. And who you think is always coming from the golf course
43:32 with his boys? LT. They come smoking every time. Every time. Yep, same time, every time. Three o'clock, when the games come on at three o'clock, LT always right there. Yep.
43:44 Uh, Kirk Cousins, not going to apologize, excuse me, three o'clock. When the games come on at three o'clock, ALT always right there. Kirk Cousins, not going to apologize for my financial success. Many have said this week that if the NFL had a Hall of Fame for planning big contracts, Cousins would be a first ballot inductee. He signed a four-year deal with the
44:00 Falcons worth $180 million, $100 million fully guaranteed, $50 million at the time of signing. If he completes this four-year deal, Cousins will have earned $411 million, excuse me, $330 million, which will be fully guaranteed. But Cousins shrugged off the notion that people think monetary success over on field play. I'm not going to apologize for the fact that I've been,
44:25 that I've been a great blessing financially for my family, but my year in Atlanta, but my year in Atlanta years in Atlanta, I certainly want to be able to be about how I won a Superbowl and how I won a lot. That's nice. That sounds cute. That sounds cute.
44:40 One thing that is, he obviously has a quarterback. You're going to say all the right things. When there's a camera in front of you, you're going to say All the right things When there's a camera in front of you You're going to say All the right things Listen Kirk Cousins is a
44:49 God-fearing man And one thing about God He has favor And he has been blessed Beyond means As a quarterback Who has done very little On the field
45:00 As far as Winning Yeah Playoff wins Going to Super Bowls. He has one playoff win? Correct. This one.
45:08 But again, the consistency in which he plays at a high level in the regular season is, I think, one of the things in why he's able to command the money that he does. And I think it's overlooked because there are not very many quarterbacks that you can go and pick or go and get and say, you know what,
45:23 I'm willing to pay this individual. And you turn a blind eye to his postseason success because of what he does in the regular season. One of the few. And one of the things that are very important when any player, regardless of position, when the timing of when you're up matters so much. Yes. And the timing for Kirk Cousins has always been on his side.
45:47 Yes. Always. It's always been on his side. Always. You coming off an ACL injury. Achilles. And you just signed a four-year, $180 million deal
45:57 with a team that is in need, in dire need of a quarterback. Oh, Joe. People need to, we use the term free agency because you're free. Free agency is not about being good. It's about being free. Right.
46:12 Because we've seen numerous guys. And I don't begrudge them, but I just got to speak honestly about it. Right. Like you said, it's free. I'm free. Okay, we got to spend this money on something. We got to pay somebody. Well, we need that position. He's the best available in that position. Okay, we got to spend this money on something. We got to pay somebody. We need that position. He's the
46:26 best available in that position. Okay, let's go pay him. Because I got to overpay him to get him to leave the environment that he's already in. Why would I leave a system that I'm already familiar with, I'm comfortable in, I know what to expect from them, they know what to expect from me.
46:42 My family's here, but I probably have kids that go to school. I'm entrenched in the community. So why would I? I'm paying for you to uproot all of that. And start replanting here. You're paying for the inconvenience. And replant it here.
46:58 But listen, with Kirk Cousins there, I know one thing. The numbers for Drake London, the numbers that I've expected Kyle Pitts to have since he left Florida, like he did in his rookie year, those numbers are going to be consistent from now on. I know that.
47:17 I know they're going to put up some numbers now. Well, they better. Hell, I'm paying $45 million for a quarterback. I better get some targets. I mean, the quarterback better be able to hit the receivers. He's going to sling that ball. ball. They gonna sling that ball now. That's one thing he can do. Patrick Queen, who's now
47:31 a rival of the Ravens, says he can't wait to be a rival of the Ravens. At his introductory press conference after signing the Steelers, Patrick Queen acknowledged he hasn't always had a warm feeling towards folks in Pittsburgh. Naturally, you can't be a Raven and have fuzzy feelings for the Steelers.
47:49 Steelers, Queen spent his entire career with the Ravens, but now he'll play the Ravens at least twice a year in 24. Maybe make the playoffs because we have played them in the playoffs. It's going to be weird, but I want to be the villain, Queen said. I want to be that guy. It is typical how most guys feel against their old teams. What's your take, Ocho? I mean, listen,
48:10 I don't think, if you think about it, I don't know off the top of my head how many players have gone to division rivals. That's not, that doesn't happen normally. But this year,
48:22 it's happened on multiple occasions. Multiple occasions. Players are going to their division rival. Normally, teams do not let you go to a team in your division because they don't want to have to deal with you. They don't have to deal with you. But again, in this case, it's different. I really like that Pat said, I'm going to embrace being a villain. I'm going to embrace being a villain i'm going to embrace being a
48:45 villain listen the steelers haven't had a linebacker go to the pro bowl since ryan chaise there in 2017 you get someone that's really good you get someone that's really nasty and fits that pittsburgh style of defense similar to what the ravens are hit you in the mouth help you up and hit you in the mouth, help you up, and hit you in the mouth again. So he fits perfect. And he's a good dude. I talked to him last year on Inside the NFL. I love him.
49:12 I love everything about him, man. I love everything about him. I'm not saying he's Ray Lewis. I'm not saying he's Ray Lewis. But he has that Ray Lewis instinct and style of play. Yeah. He's all over the place.
49:22 He had his best season. Because remember, they didn't pick up his fifth year option. Yeah. So that's why he was able to become free. So now it's funny the way he played last year. Why wouldn't you pick up the fifth year option? Well,
49:35 you had, you have to pick it up. You have to pick it up at a certain time. So once you start to see that you can't pick it up. Yeah. I mean, that was a no brainer. What you're going to do though.
49:46 You got, you got Roquan. You're paying $20 million. You about to have two linebackers. You play $20 million? Oh, I see what you're saying. That's a money play. That's a money play. You just gave what's the D-tackle? Matt Biquet? Oh, you just paid him? You just paid him like $20 million. You got
50:01 Marlon Humphrey at corner making $19 million. You about to have to do so with Kyle Hamilton. He's about to want $13-14 million20 million. You got Marlon Humphrey at corner making $19 million. You're about to have to do so with Kyle Hamilton. He's about to want $13, $14 million. Yeah. Kyle got about one more year. They're going to lock him up. They got to lock him up. He's special. Young Bull is special. But listen, McQueen is deserving
50:18 of what he got. For sure. Obviously I understand that Ravens fans were talking a little trash to him. And obviously it's out of his hands. If you want to be upset, you got to be upset to the organization. Or actually,
50:28 how about understand how the business works in itself? Understand how the business works in itself. And things like this happen and have always happened. It's the nature of the business. You can't keep everybody.
50:39 No. It's impossible. You can't. And so, oh, man, if you a Raven, man, you should want to go to the Steelers or the Browns or the Bengals. You do realize, like, the Ravens are the only team that pay players.
50:51 Them other 31 teams, they pay players, too. I'm going to go where the money. And the Steelers are known for linebackers. I mean, when you think linebackers, you go back to Lambert and Ham and Russell, and you got Harrison, and you got Joey Porter, and you got Jason Gilder, and you got Earl Holmes, back on Andy Russell. Come on, bro. Kendra Bell, Larry Foote, James Ferrier. I remember all them boys, man.
51:23 So you got one that fits that mold and what they used to have. Hey, I'm going to follow them them I guarantee you there's people that work at Apple that used to work for Google and vice versa and ain't nobody say man I can't believe man how you do I can't believe you worked at Google and now you over here at Apple Apple right
51:38 I can't the money's green no matter where you go honey hey hey I just need to hey and you know what I can. The money's green no matter where you go, honey. Hey. Hey, I just need to... And you know what? And PQ said, you know what? My bank account got a BBL. Oh, yeah.
51:55 My bank account got a BBL. Now, what y'all talking about? I like that. Man, y'all better leave me alone. I'm going to get that paper. Yeah, and it's going to be hell when they play now. Yeah, for sure. It's going to be hell when they play.
52:10 That's going to be a good one. I forgot about it. They had G. Lloyd. They had Kevin Green. See, I came up in the air when they had those guys. Yeah. I also got Porter. I got Gildan.
52:19 I got, you know, Kendrell Bill. I got some of those guys. But I came up when they had, whoo. of those guys. But I came up with that. Woo! I played against G. Lloyd when he was in college. He went to Fort Valley. Yeah. Fort Valley State?
52:32 Yeah. Him and Eddie Anderson. I didn't know that. Yeah, they called the defense Blue Death. Blue Death? Blue Death. That's crazy. Oh, but hey
52:45 cause imagine him Eddie Anderson Eddie Anderson played with the Raiders he was a safety and they had G. Lloyd that was the only year they ever beat us though
52:53 that was the only year they beat us they ain't beat us no more so they had a good squad all the way around oh they had a good squad back there their defense was good
53:00 their defense was really good yeah they ain't beat us no more though I made sure of that they ain't beat us no more, though. I mean, sure, that. They ain't beat us no more. That's dope. But congratulations to Patrick Queen. And it's not, look, Terrell Lawrence played for the Eagles,
53:14 went to the Cowboys. Brett Favre played for the Packers, went to the Vikings. Deshaun Jackson played for the Eagles, went to Washington, later returned to the Eagles. Darrell Revis went to the Jets in New England. Richard Sherman, Seattle's and 49ers. So bro,
53:32 if somebody's going to break bread, man, you know, y'all used to be my division rivals, man. I can't go to you. The hell you say? Yeah, shit. Ain't nobody turning down no money now. Hell nah. Not to count a money they all day paying nah shh boy
53:48 but you know fans don't get it fans fans just look at it they look at it like in a vacuum like if you play for this team you shouldn't want to play for that team right you should feel how I feel your allegiance should always be to us no matter what and that's not the way it works that's not the way the business works
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55:20 In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask Attorney General. I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal
55:54 that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, I don't know if you read this story there's a story alleging that Bruno Mars has about 50 million in gambling debt with the MGM Grand he had a relationship with the park
56:33 MGM Las Vegas casino the hotel for more than eight years Bruno Mars has reportedly taken home 90 million a year from his current deal with MGM and he just launched a cocktail lounge, the Pinky Ring, another Vegas-based MGM property at the Bellagio. Still, 50 mil. Now, I was listening to somebody today and they said, this high roller said that he was playing next to Bruno
56:57 Mars and he watched him lose about $17 million in the span of... Man, come on, man. I'm just saying... Do me i i i i think um do me a favor yeah think about what you just said just think about what you just said and say it slow a high roller sat next to bruno mars and watched him lose say the number slow 17 million i almost you know what? I almost got upset.
57:27 But I'm going to gather myself. I'm not going to get upset. But just think about that. 17 million down the drain. Yeah. Ocho, you know Ocho. You know you're trying to get it back, Ocho. How?
57:42 How are the people in the casino knowing and seeing that he has a problem with gambling? That ain't my problem. You ever seen the movie The Gambler? Yes. You ever seen the movie The Gambler with John Goodman and Mark Wahlberg? Yes. That's not my problem.
58:03 See, Bruno Mars needs a friend like me. That's more so the people around you. Even if I know, if I know you have a problem, I'm going to find a solution to make sure you don't do that. You don't gamble
58:14 and lose 17 fucking million. I don't care how much you make. I thought, but I thought you said, how can you tell a man how to spend his money? Could anybody tell you what to do with your money?
58:24 If you took it outside and set it on fire, who made that money? Okay, I see where you're going. I see where you're going. But listen, this is a little bit overboard. Matter of fact, this is past overboard. This is fucking absurd. This makes no sense.
58:40 This is the point where you're crossing the line to where it's almost dumb. It's almost stupidity. Ocho. 50 million in debt. Even if you make 90, how does the casino allow you to be in debt that much?
58:53 Easy. How do you continue as a casino to rightfully give someone a money line continuously because they make 90 million? Easy. Because guess what? The same way you can go get a loan, you make 100 million million, you can go get a loan for $50 million. You ask, how? Well, how the bank give you a loan for $50 million? Because you make $100 million.
59:13 Listen, you're going to always be in the red. You're going to always be in the red. You're going to always be in the red. Always. You're not going to always be able to make that kind of money all the time. You have a short amount of time. You have a small window. Well, if you're an artist like Bruno Mars, and if you've seen him, if you've seen him perform, you understand his window of opportunity to make money is a lot larger than others. Yes, for sure. Yeah. A lot larger than others.
59:38 That motherfucker knows he can perform. Oh, he is unbelievable. Probably one of the greatest entertainers up there with Chris Brown and Michael Jackson was a company to put him on the show. If you haven't seen him, you missed the show. Hey, he's the real deal. But still, he needs the right people in his corner. This lets me know, Bruno Mars, you need someone like me in your corner.
59:55 I guarantee your ass won't... You lose $1,000? Bitch, you gonna stop right there. You ain't going past that. He needs somebody like me in his corner. Think about how many drug addicts, when their parents or a loved one try to save them. If you create
01:00:12 a demon, only you can chase it away. Sometimes with demons, you need somebody to cast a spell. Because sometimes when it comes to demons, you know like the exorcist? Yes. You got to have that, not a pastor the exorcist? Yes. You got to have, you got to have that, not a pastor, what you call the man? You got to, um...
01:00:28 An exorcist? A bit, oh, you're talking about a priest? A priest. There it is. I can be the priest to help Bruno Mars with those demons. That's, I just need to sit down and talk to him. First, what we're going to start with,
01:00:41 we're going to stop drinking. That's the first, that's step one. We're going to stop drinking because when you're inebriated, you ain't thinking right. You're going to start with, we're going to stop drinking. That's the first. That's step one. We're going to stop drinking. Because when you're inebriated, you ain't thinking right. You're making so much money, you're not thinking right. Let me help you understand the value of a motherfucking dollar. Let's start there. That's step two.
01:00:55 Okay. So we're going to stop drinking. Step two, I'm going to help you financially and be a little bit more financial conscious. We know you're making a lot of money. We know. Let's put some of this shit up. Oh, sure. For a rainy day.
01:01:09 Okay, can I ask you this? Talk to me. How you think they keep building those casinos? Are they building them with losers' money or winners' money? The winners.
01:01:19 But I don't want Mr. Morris to be a statistic. If they win it, they can build a casino. Yeah, you're right. But the losers' money. Okay. I don't want Mr. Morris to be a statistic. If they win it, they can build a casino. Yeah, you're right. But it loses money. But I don't want Mr. Mars to be a statistic. Because we can talk.
01:01:30 Wait, wait, wait. Stay with me now. Stay with me. Let's talk about all the artists that were great in their time during their days while they were hot. Yeah. That are now broke. Yes! That are now broke.
01:01:44 Yes. I'm talking about was going crazy during that time. You know, the span of an artist, the height of their career is more so
01:01:50 maybe a 10-year run. Maybe a 10-year run. Yes. But Bruno Mars is so great at his craft and what he does when it comes to performing and commanding a stage,
01:01:59 I'm assuming his would be much, much longer because I put him somewhere almost in the legend, in the legend, in the legend realm. I think I think he's that great at what he does. But again, it hurts because, you know, I am when it comes to spending money.
01:02:14 I just wish he saw the value in money the way I do. And he needs somebody like me in his corner. But I want to know who Bruno Mars friends are. But let me ask you a question. What if everybody thought like you? What if everybody thought like that? What if everybody thought like... That's what makes us unique. Everybody can't think like you.
01:02:29 But if everybody thought like me, we wouldn't have no problems. Nobody would be in debt. Nobody would be in debt. We'd all be driving motherfucking smart cars and flying spirits. No. We'd all be in the gongos.
01:02:40 I'm not driving no smart car. I ain't working my ass off to drive no smart car. I feel dumb. No, you won't. That's why it's called smart car. I ain't working my ass off to drive no smart car. I feel dumb. No, you won't. That's why it's called smart car. Wait a minute. Smart car is made by Mercedes. You got a dummy driving a smart car.
01:02:51 Smart car is made by Mercedes. I get 55 miles in a gallon. To fill up my tank, it's only $13. So let me ask you a question. Let's just say it. I hope this doesn't happen. Something happened to you and you're no longer with us. You think your family going to save that money like you did? You did all that hard work, got no enjoyment out of it. I hope this doesn't happen. Something happened to you and you're no longer with us. You think your family going to save that money like you did?
01:03:05 You did all that hard work, got no enjoyment out of it. Somebody else is going to enjoy it more than you. Wait, wait, wait. I am getting enjoyment out of it. I get enjoyment out of spending my money on my kids. Spending my money on real. I get enjoyment out of paying tuition for my kids that
01:03:22 go to college. You don't think I do that? I enjoy putting my money up for the younger kids that I have that are going to want to go to college and do some of the things that they want to do. I'm enjoying it. You can do all that and still enjoy yourself.
01:03:33 Listen, let me tell you. The enjoyment I also have is playing FIFA Ultimate Team, Madden Ultimate Team, spending money there, buying skins on Call of Duty. Like, my enjoyment is a little different.
01:03:44 Somebody going to say buying skins is a waste of money. Somebody say buying skins is a waste of money. No, it ain't. No, no, no. It ain't nothing but $100. It ain't nothing but $100. You can feed somebody at the Salvation Army. You can feed somebody at the line for $100.
01:04:00 I do that too. My enjoyment and the ways I spend money is much different than everybody else. But that, the way he's spending it, now that's, come on now, you know that's not right. You know that's not right. You know me.
01:04:14 Look, I just think the thing is, Ocho, look, maybe there's a deeper issue than just gambling because at some point in time, you know, your rationale and your conscience has to like that.
01:04:26 But I understand because I've been in such I've been in a situation where I bet a thousand. I lose. I bet two thousand lose bet four thousand. You keep trying to get it back with one hand. Oh, man, you you got the same goddamn problem, too. Oh, when I when I when I play, when I when I made money like that, yeah, I would go gamble. Sure, for sure. Oh, look, if you lose $1,000 and you lose $2,000, that means get your ass up out of there, man. No, hell no. I ain't no quitter. I ain't no quitter.
01:04:56 Oh, no. If Real would have told you, no, she don't want to talk to you, you'd have quit? Hell no. I'll do you a lot. You a lot. You a lot. You a lot. Well, I ain't chasing behind nobody that don't want to deal with me. I'm good. Oh, you don't want me? Okay, that's cool. On to the next.
01:05:14 Because if you don't want me, there are other people lined up for this blessing. They ain't real. They ain't real. So you gonna settle. You got the whole diamond. But you gonna settle you got the whole diamond but you gonna settle for a cubic zirconia
01:05:29 God told me listen when I play in the NFL what I wore my ear cubic zirconia right if I have to settle for it in real life that's fine with me oh no I would be a pain that's alright
01:05:43 that's alright he don't mean that real Ooh, I would be a pain. Get you together. That's all right. That's all right. That's all right. He just talking real. He don't mean that real. Oh, no. It's not a bad thing. We're just using the hypothetical. I'm just saying if the opportunity presented itself and I was interested in her and she didn't like me, I'm okay with that. Something that men these days have a problem with.
01:06:02 Rejection. It's okay. There are so many fish in this sea. You might not catch them. Sometimes you're fishing in a rural motherfucking area. You might not catch that trophy fish. Because if you're a fisherman, everybody that's a fisherman, you're looking for that fish.
01:06:15 And now I got a fish that's so big he left a hole in the water. I got it on my wall. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I should have Jordan to go upstairs right now. I got a caught a fish so big, the pitcher weigh eight pounds. I'm like,
01:06:29 what a guy don't drive. What a guy don't do that. He up there right now. Listen, but you know what? Sometimes some fishermen, they fish in the places they ain't even got no business.
01:06:43 That's why the fish they trying to catch Keep turning them down You got to understand You got to fish within your means Sometimes some of the men Some of the men Men stay with me in the chat now
01:06:53 You're chasing women That are salary cap casualties Yeah, you hear me? Stay within your financial lane But that's still out of your range Even if they were a cap casualty For someone else That was a good one
01:07:04 That was a good one right there Yeah Even if they were a cap casualty for someone else. That was a good one right there, huh? Yeah. Even if they were a cap casualty somewhere, what did the Broncos say? Because they got so much dead money, it made it cost prohibitive for them to go get a quarterback in the free agent market. So now, just because somebody else released them because of the cap, that don't mean you could get it. Right. Yeah. I like that. I like that. I like that. And that was a you can get it. Right. Yeah. I like that.
01:07:26 I like that. I like that. And that was a good line, fellas. I ended the chat. I know y'all liked that one. We came up with that one. High five, Ojo. Yeah.
01:07:32 That was a good one. We got that one. Yeah, for sure. Stop chasing women. Stay within your salary cap. Yeah. Stop chasing women that are going to be
01:07:40 a salary cap casualty. Fellas, that's all you got to do. Go through an Instagram, right? Go through women's Instagrams and you look at the image that she's trying to portray. Are you willing to pick up wherever the guy left off
01:07:53 that she's, the image she's trying to portray? You know, do I have the funds to keep that up? What I see. If not, keep scrolling.
01:08:02 Keep fishing. Yeah, man. They come out there with them little rail bags. One of that Chanel XX. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They got them Birkins. Yeah, yeah.
01:08:13 You see all that on a page and you know that ain't in you. You know it now. We don't need no... If you got Coach and Kate Spade money, you need to keep scrolling down. If somebody got a Birkin
01:08:23 or a Bollard or LB, you got Coach. You got Kate Spade money. Yeah. keep scrolling down. If somebody's got a Berkin or a Boyard or LB, you got coach. You got Kate Spade money. Yeah. Scroll on down. Listen, being realistic, one of the key things that we as fellas and men have to understand, we need to be self aware. Yeah. Self
01:08:38 aware. It's easy. It's our ego because the thing is, look, I've been guilty of it. I mean, look, I've seen women out of my price range, but that ain't the thing is, look, I've been guilty of it. I mean, look, I've seen women out of my price range, but that ain't the thing. All they can do is tell me no.
01:08:51 Right. I had to, you have to build up calluses. Right, right, right. To hear no, especially once you become someone. Right. Now, you tell me, high school,
01:09:02 hey, okay, it is what it is. I keep it moving. But then all of a sudden, I started becoming something and you tell me no. school, hey, okay, it is what it is. I keep it moving. But then all of a sudden, I started becoming something, and you tell me, and I'm like, well, damn. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
01:09:13 So it's hard. It hurts you a little bit? Oh, Cho. The thing is, like, okay, you broke up with this guy. I don't know the guy. He wasn't no teammate of mine or anything. But you're like, oh, she used to go with such and such. Damn. Okay. But then
01:09:28 I'm looking like, man, I'm looking at the car she's driving. I'm looking at my car. I'm looking at the bag she carrying. I'm looking at my billfold. Right, right. Now this ain't gonna work out. Your car's nice and mine. And what the hell I'm gonna do for you? I mean, I got on Lee G and you got on Versace.
01:09:48 You see? You see what you had? The key word, self-awareness. Yeah. And knowing I can't do nothing with that because she would be a salary cap. And many of us, many of us will still chase it and spin and go over the cap. No, she out of my price range. And then wonder why you in the red.
01:10:09 Hey, she out of my price range. Like, hey, man, what kind of car you going to get? The kind of car that I got. I can't afford half a million, no 700,000, no million off of no car. Hell no. Hey, listen, in the higher up, the higher you ever go, you got to understand, there's a small percentage of the 1%. So you look at all the fine women,
01:10:30 right? Yeah. And all the small percentage of the 1% are all dating all the fine women carrying all the nice shit. They all dating the same women. And what you think your chances are? It's only a few. It's only a few of them that got it like that.
01:10:47 Oh, Joe. Only a few. And see. Listen, mathematically, I wish somebody in the shack could break this down. Think about MLB, NFL, NBA, and just do the number crunching and think about all the women there are in the world. It's only so many of them. But everybody want the dude that's at the top. Yes, for sure.
01:11:10 It's impossible. It's impossible. You got to compete for the... Man, don't get me started. Ocho. And women, once you've dated... Michael B. Jordan. Michael B. Jordan says, you know, it's hard to get someone.
01:11:25 That's why I tell people all the time. That's why movie stars marry other movie stars. Movie stars. Because they know what it's like to live that world. They know what it's like to be isolated and they know what it's like. Right. You have to be selfish times 10. Now you get these women and they've dated an NFL player or an MLB player or an NBA player.
01:11:45 How the hell they go back to an average guy, a normal, excuse me, not average, a guy working 9 to 5. Let's just say he makes $100,000. When you dated a guy that had a private jet pick you up, take you to an island or he get, hey, baby, we're going to have breakfast. But he picks your ass
01:12:01 up on a yacht. Y'all drive up somewhere, get your ass off, and it's prepared for you. You think she can go back to a normal guy after that? None of them are going back. Come on, guys. Come on. Give it a buck with me. You know what frogs do, right?
01:12:17 You know what frogs do in the pond? They hop from lily pad to lily pad to lily pad to lily pad to lily pad until they find one. Until a big fish gobble them up. Until some one big guy come and take them off those pads. That's it. That's it.
01:12:36 And they continue to play that game the rest of their life because they're not going backwards. They're not. No. Come on, Ocho. I mean, those women. I mean, come on now. A woman done been with a guy like that. That dude make 20 million, 30 million.
01:12:52 He break it off. He probably somebody is making 20 million and you and he just like he got it like that. Yeah. Oh, he break you off 15 bands a month. Yeah. With no. That ain't nothing. 15 bands a month. Maybe 20. 15 bands a month maybe 20 hey what you
01:13:07 what you what you doing llc i got that cover too what kind of car you need to drive i got that too what kind of bag you carry i got that too so she's getting all this so she's probably getting a quarter of a mil to half a million and you think she's supposed to go back to another guy that's making a hundred thousand and that's no knock on you guys, because I made $63,000 one year. Come on, man. We got to be realistic with this. It's different. It's different.
01:13:31 I don't even know how we got here, but I love this goddamn topic. Yeah, because people are like, oh, Dre. Bro, I ain't got no problem with Dre. I don't, I'm not so sure that I would know her. I would recognize her. Because a lot of times, these women are smaller in real life than they are, than they project in IG. IG, right.
01:13:51 So when I find myself, I'm like, well, damn. You lucky. You about 5'6". You 5'2". You 5'1". I ain't got no problem. You heard the analogy I just used, right?
01:14:02 What's that? They go from lily pad to lily pad to lily pad until they find one where they strike gold. And that's the game. The game has always been the same. The game has never changed. No matter how they try to portray it, no matter how many long inspirational messages
01:14:17 they write on Instagram, it's always been the same. And the better you are at playing it, the better you understand it, the less you are to get caught. You just have to continue fishing in the pond you belong. And you're always going to be good.
01:14:32 Stay in your place. Stay in your place. Stay in your place. I mean, hey, I'm good. I'm good too. I'm good. I'm good. Yeah.
01:14:44 Ojo, Ojo Yeah Ojo Ojo said Hey Ojo They say you don't know How casinos work Casinos doing the same thing They does When they pay people out For winning
01:14:51 They just find a way To get their money back Did you hear what they just said What I don't know how casinos work Do I gamble No Exactly
01:15:00 Of course I don't know How casinos work Because I'm not spending No goddamn money People in the chat You know how I am You know how Iinos work because I'm not spending no goddamn money. People in the chat, you know how I am. You know how I am. I mean, if you follow me throughout my career, even before I made it, I've always been this way.
01:15:11 So the discipline was always there. I just can't fathom or understand how you lose that kind of money at some point. Even if you're not thinking rational, at some point you lose a certain. When you lose a million. OK, come on now. 50 million. Ocho. 50 million in debt oh think about that think about what you said to the person to the person that's making 35 000 you giving 2 000 5 000 tips saying ocho is out of his damn mind so you have to understand it hey he making a hundred million a year he looks at it like that ain't got that
01:15:46 ain't no problem to me because the person that's making fifty thousand a year saying Ocho you mean to tell me you gave somebody five thousand dollars to bring you your food which they're paid to do ah they're well I like that you said that the reason I tip the way I do a thousand two thousand sometimes five depending on what I have coming in for that month, is because here in America, which is why I need to be president, they don't pay us a livable wage. I understand the service industry- But they are getting paid, correct? They're getting paid, but not a livable wage. They can say that about any job.
01:16:21 They can say that about a job. They can say anybody need a job. Right. But, okay. But there's a reason why I tip the way I do. Because I understand that and I kind of empathize with those that are in the service industry. Which is why I've been doing this the past 20 years. Right. But, any job, you know, it's just unfortunate. Because when you travel to Europe and I sit there and try to tip and they look at me like I'm goddamn crazy. Like, why are you tipping me? They see it as disrespect.
01:16:46 Why do they see it as disrespect? Because they are paid a wage where they can live comfortably, where they don't have to rely on tips. Yeah. That's all. It all depends on where you live in that. I'll give it down. How much tips you get paid? Unless you like you like dollar bill.
01:17:02 You in the stripping game. Unless you in the stripping game. Tips ain're in the stripping game, the tips ain't popping like that, man. Right, right. But Ocho, check this out. That was a good topic, man. Yeah, man. Guys, look. Guys don't understand.
01:17:18 They look at it like, bro, somebody that's making $100 million, somebody that got $300 million bank and they're making $50 million a year. What's a quarter of a million to them? Y'all don't get it. Y'all talking about, oh, simping. You say simping because you ain't got it. You ain't got it. I don't see it as simping.
01:17:40 There are certain things that you have to do when you're at that level. I don't care what you do now. For you to sit here and say that you haven't given a female money or you haven't paid rent or you haven't bought a purse or a car is just not true. It's just not true, Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
01:17:57 Rosado. Me? Do me a favor. Do me a favor, please, real quick. Chat, chat, stay with me real quick. Read, read, go to my Twitter real quick. Please, please, please. Read my bio to the chat in my bio. Please, real quick, real quick.
01:18:14 So you have a better understanding. And no, of course, you know I do that. Read my bio on Twitter to the chat real quick, please. What is it? So you have a better understanding when you know I... Man, what Ocho Bio say? Ocho. You ain't got it in front of you?
01:18:37 No, I don't normally have people bio pulled up in front of me. You should have your phone right in front of you. Just go to my page. What does your page say, Ocho? Tell it. Read it. All right. I don't know about hard.
01:18:51 Okay, hold on. You know, I do spin. I have to in a sense. Okay, you ready? Yes. Chat, stay with me real quick. Listen to me. And think. Stay with me now mcdonald's is cheaper than therapy and never forget you're paying for sex indirectly but the word relationship
01:19:14 changes the narrative okay you with me right yeah you hear i'm going yeah okay all right just stay that's all i'm saying. Okay. Okay. That's it. That's me. That's me. So what you were getting ready to say is, well, you know, I take care of those that I'm dealing with. Always.
01:19:32 Always. That's all I'm saying. But hold on. In moderation. No. What you're not going to do is you're not going to take me to the cleaners because I don't move like that. Ocho.
01:19:40 To the guy that doesn't, that's not in your position, he couldn't do that. He's saying that's excessive. Wecho, to the guy that doesn't, that's not in your position, he couldn't do that. He's saying that's excessive. We take care of the people in ordinance to what we have to offer. You see, you see what, ah,
01:19:53 bingo, exactly. So that's why when you go fishing, you need the fish in your lane so the individuals that you're dealing with don't cause you, or not a salary cap casualty. It's pretty easy. It's very simple. Very simple. When I was younger, I wouldn't
01:20:09 fish for anything to bite. Catfish, trout, brim, crappie, perch, pike, salmon, striped bass, sea bass. I'm fishing. Man, what you fishing for? Whatever bite. Man, with you fishing for? Whatever bite.
01:20:25 Man, with the hair you talking about on your feet. Hey, what you hear, man? Hey. What you hear? What you hear? I don't know what y'all talking about. Hey. Oh, you say you fishing for whatever bite, huh?
01:20:44 Whatever bite. Man, what y'all talking about. You say you fishing for whatever bite, huh? Whatever bite. Man, what y'all fishing for today? Whatever bite. Now that's a good one. You got me in his sweat, man. Y'all better leave me alone, man.
01:20:59 I want the chat to argue about my goddamn bio. I want people to understand what I'm saying. You're not lying, though, I want to chat. I want to chat to argue about my goddamn bio. I just, I want people to understand what I'm saying. But you're not lying, though, Joe. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. Listen, depending on the word, depending on the word,
01:21:15 you know, the goalposts move depending on the word you use. Oh, I'm not dealing with no dude who don't got no money. Well, when you exchange, when you exchange, when you have to be paid for a service, what is that called? When you have to be paid for a service,
01:21:36 what do we call that? If I'm not mistaken, the P word, I don't want to say it. Oh, you say prostitution? Right? Okay. So when people say prostitution? Right? Okay. So when people say, I'm not dealing with no dude without no money,
01:21:50 if you use the word relationship, it changes the narrative. Stay with me now. I know it's Sunday. I'm not here to preach because I'm not here to preach. Just the definition changes everything.
01:22:02 But that's a whole other topic. But let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Ocho, somebody just said that's that's a whole nother topic but let's go let's go let's go somebody just said that's why that's what i'm single and ocho got got a woman you see that's what drives y'all crazy those that know won't tell those that tell won't know y'all don't got no what on god but it's the key i i got lucky because not only do i have a woman i have a woman that has money as well yeah for sure there's a balance so a balance where everything everything isn't on me you know i'm i'm i kind of consider myself i don't want to say lucky because there there are other women
01:22:38 that are doing well for themselves but i found i got lucky i'm gonna just say that I got lucky. I'm going to just say that. I got lucky. I got lucky because everything on me, there are other guys that are those higher caliber guys where they carrying all the debt. Yeah. I'm not calling nobody dead weight. I apologize. But here's the thing, Ojo. They carrying everything.
01:22:58 They carry everything. First of all, I mean, once you get to a certain level of a man, who the hell you can marry? Let's just say for the sake of argument, you make a hundred, you make, you worth a hundred billion, who the hell he gonna go marry? I mean,
01:23:14 the L'Oreal, the L'Oreal heiress, you limited. When guys start making 15, 20, 30, 40, 100, first of all. It shrinks significantly. Significantly.
01:23:29 If you're trying to get somebody that's in your dating pool to make that. There isn't. There isn't. And that's no, it don't bother me. It's not bad. It's not bad. It's not bad. I mean, just, it's the land of the land and the way it's always been.
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