Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Justin Gatlin joins the show

Episode Date: August 4, 2024

Former USA Olympic sprinter Justin Gatlin joins Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson to react to Sha'Carri Richardson placing second in the women's Olympic 100m final behind St. Lucia's Julien Alfred. Later, they share their predictions for the men's 100m featuring Jamaica's Kishane Thompson and USA's Noah Lyles, and much more!03:40 - Show Starts05:03 - Justin Gatlin Joins the show22:30 - Shelly Ann Frasier pulls from 100m26:22 - USA Mixed 4x400 Relay01:14:51 - Pole Vaulters pole gets him disqualified(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Use code Olympics. And the Olympic merch just dropped. And the link is pinned at the top of the chat. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a very, very special guest joining us to recap the day's events, the sprinting events. He's a five time Olympic medalist. He's a 12 time world championship medalist. He's a 2004 Olympic champion, 100 meters. He beat Francis Obekwelu from Portugal by one one hundredth of a second he ran nine nine uh eight five over Quailu ran nine eight six he's a 2005 and 2017 world champ in the 100 meters he's a 2005 world champ in the 200 meters he's a 2019 world champ in the four by four excuse me the four by one

he is none other than Justin Gatlin. Nephew, what's going on, bro? Thanks for joining us. I appreciate it, man. I appreciate it. Chad, what's up? What's up, baby? Everything good. I'm still waiting to race you. I've been waiting about 10, 15 years now. We're going to put them spikes on. You know what? First of all, I

was trying to add that to my stats. I was trying to get that. I was saying, hey, beat Chad Ocho Cinco in a street race, but my package ain't come. I hit the button that said 30 days on Amazon and said overnight, so I ain't get my spikes yet. So we going to wait for those. Okay, okay, okay.

We're going to get that popping, though. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Justin, let's jump right into it. In the women's 100-meter final, this was an upset. She was the overwhelming favorite uh favorite although julian alfred has been running well all year she's been in her bag all year so let's not just make it seem like she just came on the scene she's an ncaa champ she's a medalist on the world stage

she can run and she put the race together of her life she got out of the blocks and shakari couldn't chase her down it seems like to me that shakari was not she was not herself she wasn't a jubilant she wasn't playing around like she normally was when you watch this race and you break it down from your professional standpoint what besides julian alfred running well what do you think happened to Sha'Carri in this race? Well, you know, I think Sha'Carri is known to be a fighter, right? That's how she's made her mark in the sport. She's fought the world.

We know it because you can see it in her races. When she comes across that line, she's roaring. You know what I mean? So watching her run, she didn't show that, I think, in the semis and the finals. But once again, just like in the Super Super Bowl when you get to that Olympic line everything that you think of that you when you was a little kid about being an Olympic medalist or going to the Super Bowl and so flashbacks that come to you that moment is here now it's a heavy moment that you have to put on your back when that gun goes off so I think at the end of the day sometimes that moment gets bigger than you and

the preparation you just got to put to the side and say, everything that got me to this point, I'm going to do it again. Go ahead, Ocho. I mean, I think all Shaquiri has to do. She's been phenomenal all year. She's been phenomenal all year.

Obviously, she did win silver. There's one thing. I'm not a track runner. I'm not a track star, but I am familiar with track runners, with athletes. I have one now. My daughter's here. She's at University of Kentucky. If we could help my baby, if we could help my baby with our start and just get a faster start, just get a better start, turn it over a little faster, because the second, the back

half of the race, she's good. She's good. And other than that, i have nothing bad to say i'm happy i'm happy she gets she won silver and i'm excited i'm excited i don't think that was shakari that we know showed up today and that's nothing against shakari because i think that if the shakari we know that showed up to olympic trials would have handled business today that would have been that would have been a very close race and a very competitive race today hey uh justin I have a question.

What someone as good as that, I'm sure, obviously, whenever you race, especially on a stage this big, do you as a runner, as a competitor, do you still consider it a bad thing coming in second? I mean, how do you guys view it as olympic sprinters not winning gold but still but still placing you know really well i mean when you look at the point of how you trained all year you've become the favorite and you've worked so hard to make sure you want to obtain that goal yes it's a little hurt in your heart you know what i mean because your focus is to get that goal that's what you're here for you're the favorite going into the finals you're the favorite going into the olympics so everyone's already saying that it's yours to get that gold. That's what you're here for. You're the favorite going into the finals. You're the favorite going into the Olympics. So everyone's already saying

that it's yours to lose. That's what you want. But if you're looking at it from like 50,000 feet up, when you look at yourself, like 7.9 billion people in the world, you getting that second place

is still an accomplishment. You know what I mean? Especially for if you have a young career, you have a long career in front of you. So I don't think that she should walk away feeling with her head hanging down it's the fact that

it's motivation going into the world championships and her getting ready for the next olympics when it comes oh yeah but this is what we've talked about we should carry all along even when she carry um before what transpired in 2021 we always question the We know, we know at this level, this is not high school. This is not the collegiate level. Justin, you are not going to consistently run down these men and women. If you get left in the blocks, they're just too talented, talented. You can't spot a great, you can't spot women and men that are the equivalent of you two meters and think you're going to chase them down the reason

why boat got so good became great is because he worked on that start and once he could get out the blocks even with you once he got to 50 meters and he stood up it was over shakari has a top end like you got to go back to flojo to find a female that has a top end like she carried but she's giving up too much ground in the beginning of the race Justin and she can't chase these women down consistently so my coach when I was when I was competing is actually her coach and my coach always said Dennis Mitchell said 9-7 don't catch 9-7 so you can't give a deficit to an individual that is your equal out there when you compete in the cast you got to make sure that you go through your checks and balances before

that race and when that gun goes off anything that is what you got to hit which is your strong suit you got to capitalize on your strong suit and her strong suit is that second half she has to be in striking distance of the julian alpha because julian alpha is strong she gonna she gonna push through that line and that's what she did tonight she got in front and she did not relinquish that lead but but Sha'Carri Sha'Carri had to give a like you said earlier with Usain Bolt have a good start you ain't got to be in front of the field we know that when the light goes on and you hit that 50 meter mark Sha'Carri wakes up and we see what she can do when she wakes up so the fact is now the olympic gold is somewhere else let that be motivation for her to be able to come back

and do something bigger and better we need to see a 10-5 yeah the thing justin is that we look at her in the trials she ran 1071 she ran she ran high 1080s do you people I don't know if people understand how slow. Now, we're not talking about the world when she ran 1065, which is probably one of the four or five fastest times ever run by a woman. She ran 1071 at the trials, and it wasn't close. Today, she ran high 1080s. That's not Sha'Carri. Sha'Carri can run 10-8-0 in her sleep.

But I believe the moment, the pressure, the expectations came along and all of a sudden, she was stealing the blocks. I'm like, she's not catching. Once I saw the way Julian Averitt got out, I said, Sha'Carri's not catching her. Not today.

Not today. Not today. She'd have had to run 10-6. I don't know if she could have called if she'd have run 10-65 with the start that she got today, Justin. And listen, and what we're trying to do, we're trying to analyze

and go through the steps, the cadence of what a world-class runner, male or female, goes through. And what Justin's saying, what I'm trying to say is that, look, he said it. Dennis Mitchell said, if you run 9.7 and I

run 9.7 and I get you out the gate, you're not catching me. It's just like a race car. If we both got 800 horsepower and I get you off the line, Ocho, you're not catching me. If I got 800 horsepower, you got 800 horsepower, and we're the equivalent drivers.

So she had to hit that mark she needed to be with alfred and then when we got to 50 now let's see my top end has already was even with your back with your front end and now let's see who can get to the last 50 meters and go ahead yeah i always thought about something when i think about obviously, I don't know track like that. Justin, you can correct me if I'm wrong. I think there are maybe two phases or maybe three different phases in track. Obviously, there's a start. That's one phase, I would assume.

Then you have your drive phase, which I'm assuming you're driving out to get out. And then I'm not sure what the third phase might be called. Your transition, being able to hold that phase as long as possible. I'm assuming your strength you don't actually turn over and get fast so you're just able to maintain that top end speed longer than everybody else so when it comes to racers there's a bunch of receivers in the nfl everybody can catch but they all get open a different way so are there runners or is it is it is it crazy to say that each runner has a different strength and nobody

will have all three phases and be really wet really good at all three phases justin that's the one thing i love about uh running 100 meters man all three of us are built different we have different we have different attributes we bring to the table but all three of us could run sub 10 that's what you're looking at when you're looking at those women when they get to the line and the men it's the fact that there's some are some are tall some are short some are stocky some are skinny right the fact is they all can go you know what i mean i think you have to play on what your strengths are but you have to mask and protect what your weaknesses are and for her in that situation is all right we know you're not the best starter in the world but the fact is it's saying

like you say you got to make sure that you get out you in striking distance and you got to get to what you are good at which is your top end speed you have your start you have your drive phase you have your transition you have your top end speed and you finish that's what it is so five phases and she's good at four of those five you see what i'm saying once she gets going it's a wrap and we And we see it. Especially through that prelims. If you watch her prelims, her wheels were spinning when she come through that line. And she only cocked 10-9. And she was just spinning.

So you notice she had a lot left in the tank. And the confidence was there as well. Going into that finals and that semis, it was a whole different ballgame. When you line up next to somebody that you know that can be a possible threat, you know what I'm saying? Now you start second guessing.

Put that doubt in your mind. Exactly. In those moments when you were running Olympic finals, there ain't no four quarters. There ain't no two halves. You only get 10 seconds for them females. You only get nine seconds for them men. You ain't got time to think. It's all instinctual.

You got to react like a savage. You got to get out there and just go. Yeah, I agree with you, Justin. I'm not so sure i'm not saying that she oh remember you and i was talking justin how fair would it be if usain bolt had christian coleman start or had your start it wouldn't be far fair he runs sub nine four if he had a start like that with a topic yeah with a topic like what he has but the thing is as runners on show once you get to a certain point it's not about speeding up it's about the process when you start to

decelerate his deceleration is so much slower than everyone else's deceleration and so that's why it looks like man he's speeding up he's not it's just everybody's just going down a lot faster than what he is and i believe she carried she didn't need to be second out of the block but she couldn't be dead last out of the block and i think that was the difference in the race because you get somebody like julia alpert who's a strong runner who can start exceptionally well if you spot her that much distance i'm not saying you need to be second out of the blocks, but if you dead last and give up that much separation, you're not catching her.

You're not catching her. It's the same thing. But you're about to give me some nightmares, man. If Usain Bolt had a Christian Coleman start and a Usain finish, I'd probably have to take up a whole other career, brother. But at the end of the day, when you look at Julianne Alford and giving her praise yes her track record speaks for it she's a two-time ncaa champion 102 100 and the 200 correct she is the indoor world

champion just of this year yeah and then she went into the finals one of the fastest times of the season so she knows how to get it done in championship uh environments so she ain't that kind of person that's just sitting there hoping that she gets on the podium she's coming to get to the top of that podium right that's what she's built like can i ask you this what do you think because if you look at a lot of these a lot of these runners shakari did not run after the trials julian alford ran. Noah Lyles ran. Rob Benjamin ran. Christian Warhol ran.

Alisson Dos Santos ran. Tim Cabot ran. How much because that's like a six-week lull in between when you're here to all of a sudden trying to ramp it back up in six weeks. Do you believe that played a role i don't i don't necessarily think so only because i came from that same coaching system okay i know dennis is going to get you ready he knows what's he knows what's at stake and we train extremely hard right to the point where it did give you nightmares when i retired my body felt better retired than it did when i was in the game of play so we we work hard, man. So I

know that she was working hard and that moment meant everything, not only to her, but a whole training group. It meant and to her whole circle, her coaching, her agency. They knew that this moment was there for them. So I think that she was prepared physically for that moment. It's just the fact that the moment was very big. Yeah, the moment was very big in that moment. This was a very seismic moment for the small Caribbean island of St. Lucia with a population of under 200,000. Julianne Alfred just won the nation's first ever Olympic medal and is gold. Her time of 1072 is a St. Lucia national record that puts her in the top 10 all time. The margin of victory, the 0.15, the biggest winning margin in the women's 100-meter Olympic final

since Shelly Ann Frazier Price won in Beijing in 2008. That's how dominant what Julian Alford just did. Let that sink in. The biggest margin of victory in 16 years. We know as far as women starting, ain't nobody had to start like the Mommy Rocket. Shelly Ann Frazier Price.

But here's the thing. In order for you to beat Shelly Ann, for Elaine Thompson-Hara, she had to be close because she got that Flojo closing speed. She said, if I can just be close because she got that flow joe clothing speed she said if i can just be close i know at 50 meters if i'm close i'm gonna come get you right but if you're not close and hey look a lot of those jamaican women can get out the gate on you i mean we forget about veronica camber brown

we forget about uh uh uh stewart uh what's the name look at you yeah karen Ron Stewart ran 10-7. Yep. Stewart. Stewart. The Jamaican lady for Stewart. Obviously, Merlene Otte, Jalene Kirt. I mean, Jamaica has female sprinters. I mean, at the beginning, we just know about over the last, say, decade,

when you talk about Shelly Ann Frazier and we talk about Merlene Otte and we talk about some of the ones that we know. Cherica Jackson. Cherica Jackson started as a 400 meter runner won the bronze medal dropped down and now here she is one of the fastest women in the world the fastest ran the second fastest time ever at the world's last year 21 41 starting to challenge it uh flojo's record i think her record is what 20 21 33 21 34 i, 21, 34. I think it's something like that. We know what the

Jamaican women can do, but give Julian Alford. Juju, she put on a show today. You put on a show and you watch the watch party, Justin, and you see the way that nation, man, you thought you was at a local bar and that was the way that nation, man, you thought you was

at a local bar and that was the hometown team playing in the Super Bowls, Ocho, or the NBA Finals. The way that nation got behind that young lady. Ocho, Shannon, I'm going to tell you right now, man, like, watching her win and how many people are in

her country? Over 200,000? Less than 200. If we're dropping the bucket, we're talking about 7.9 billion people in the world you understand and when she goes home to train everyone in the country line up on the fence just to watch her do just do drills a skips and b skips just to watch her train they'd have so much love for her wow she's she is one of those generational athletes that's going to help the next generation of female sprinters and male sprinters we have confidence to say i'm from a small island i can get the job done too i've done yeah uh there's a video surfacing shelly and frazier price this is her last olympic let it be known. This is my last Olympics that

I guess what's transpiring, Justin, if you don't ride the team bus, people are having issues getting in. And it seems like Sha'Carri had that issue and Shelly Ann Frazier Price had the issue getting to the warm-up area. And I guess when she

got there late, she ended up tweaking a hamstring. I'm not really sure. you're in paris justin what have you heard was the run of the the reason or one of the reasons why shellyanne pulled out of this race knowing it's her last her last first of all it started off that she had hamstring issues and then it started up that she wouldn't let into the warm area now hearing that it's a uh she had to ride the bus to be able to get into the into the warm-up area now hearing that it's a uh she had to ride the bus to be able to get into the into the warm-up area to me bro it's just it's just ludicrous first of all in our sport when you are a star you come in with a private car because you dial dead you focus to get on that bus sometimes that bus gets over packed there ain't no seats left you got to sit on the floor

you know i'm saying just to get to to ride for 20 30 minutes on a bus where there ain't no seats left you got to sit on the flow you know i'm saying just to get to to ride for 20 30 minutes on a bus where there ain't no air conditioning and to get to the stadium yes it's a humbling experience but when you are poised to win or you have one olympic goal there should be a different level of preparation for you we know that you can get the job done there's no reason why she should not have been let into the warm-up area to get ready for her last hundred meters that we ever gonna see that i feel like that was a shame to the fact of altering her preparation and the legend that mommy rocket is now we're gonna look back at those channels on the on the internet and see that vacant lane lane five and there's no mommy rocket there i feel like that that hurt my heart knowing that such a legend and y'all legends in

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the U.S. 4x4 mixed relay. Yesterday, Dwayne Dedman, Vernon Norwood, Shamir Little, and Brown, I forget Little, and Brown. I forget Brown's first name. They set the world record in the 4x4 mixed relay.

But today, the Dutch team, anchored by the legendary Femke Boll, ran a sub-48 closing split. She ran 47, 93, and she tracked down the American to snatch gold. Gold, yeah, I saw that. Justin, was it a mistake not to have Quincy Wilson because you took him over there?

And I don't get it. Now, he's run in the rounds at the trials. He ran sub 45 all three rounds his last meet i think it was the edwin mo no it was maybe the edwin moses or or uh the one in florida with uh what's the guy the heard uh mike holloway holloway grand holloway holloway classic he ran 44 20 which is one of the fastest times in the world this year why you say, well, he doesn't have world experience. Well, how the hell is he going to get it if you take him across the water and don't let him run?

So what do you think was going to happen, Justin, if you let the kid run? He's going to all of a sudden blow up and run a 50? I don't think that's going to happen. So what do you think happened in the mixed relays? Other than Femke Bowe running that legendary anchor leg so sources are saying that the quincy wilson got injured you know i'm saying while he was at practice for the relay so if that's the case i hope he gets well soon he's had an amazing season first of all he's pr'd four times this season as a 60 year old he ran a whole uh youth season then he went to uh big boy trials

you know i mean he went out there to olympic trials handled his business olympic trials made the relay team and then he went overseas to run races as well so he dropped that 44 20 which makes him the third fastest american this season and he ran strive for strive one of the fastest americans this whole season to be able to get that 44 20 and that means he's about the top five fastest times of the year throughout the world you understand so yeah maybe maybe his legs a little tired but if he wasn't injured there was no reason why you don't use this young athlete on the team that gives other opportunity to be able to rest athletes that are critical in your finals right so if you rested bryce deadman for the prelims you put quincy wilson in there he's going to show out and you're

not going to have a real look at what the finals team usa is going to do in the finals now you're kind of leaving everybody guessing what they look like they broke the world record which is bittersweet because they broke the world record at three minutes, seven seconds, and three minutes, seven, and 41 seconds was the world record they smashed, right? To win the gold was three minutes, seven seconds,.43. So literally just a couple of hundreds of seconds away from breaking that world record or they could have got that Olympic gold.

And that's the difference. Yep, look. Justin, you ran, you had a 15-year career at that level. You was running sub. Damn near, you and Kim Collins might be the only two that's ever run sub 10 in 40 years of age.

So you know the margins of victory. It's not like high school. You're not going to be blowing these people out of the water. These people can run. And look, I get it. Like when you're running, you're in the moment and they stayed on the gas,

the anchor leg. I was listening to a, a Richard Ross. She's like, she's still on the gas. I thought she would back off and save some in the tank. There was no reason to break the world record because you break the world record in the prelims and you don't get gold.

People are going to be scratching your head. It was like, damn, did you, did you leave some of that on the track the day before we, Oh, so you know, we talked about, Hey, save some of them catches for next week or save some of those baskets for next week. Don't use them all up right now. So if you're the coach of that team, what would you have, what would have been your strategy, Justin, going into, are we, hey,

let's just win to make sure we qualify. We don't, hey, we're not out for a world record. We just want to make sure we qualify. And then let's drop the hammer in the finals. Well, I think right now it's kind of what the same thing is going with the men's basketball the world's catching up to you the world's catching up to you you have a lot of international athletes who come to america to get trained by american coaches at american institutes so they're understanding the ideology that we have when it comes to competing at a high level right but the thing is happening now is the fact of as if i

was that relay coach i would say go out there, qualify. That's all we need to do. Qualify. Get to that. Get to that finals. Then you let loose. Get that goal and that world record. Then you're going to catch everybody off guard. But now the fact of they gave Femke Ball and Team Netherlands a look. You guys run in three minutes and seven seconds. OK, cool. We're going to be ready for that when it comes to the finals. They came out with the same quartet. so they knew exactly what that order was gonna be they knew exactly how they were gonna run and of the and of the fact of you went and broke we have a little technical difficulties with uh with justin's mike he is in paris later so

forgive us. And it's the wee hours of the morning, so we greatly, greatly appreciate Justin taking time out of his busy schedule, staying up late night with us to break down these races. I agree with you, but Paris, the difference is that you see they brought Femke. Now, is that 47.90 going to take something out of her legs for 400? Because you know Sia. Sia wants to be, she's thought of right now, as the greatest

400-meter woman's hurdler in the history. There's something to be said about a two-time Olympic champ. Because for me, Justin, I believe this will be her last 400. I believe Bobby and her will focus on the open 400 to make her the greatest middle distance sprinter in the history. If she can win two goals in the Olympics and the 400 hurdles and the world,

and then turn around and in the world championship win the 400 goal, sitting up for 2028 to win the 400, it ain't even close. At the end of the day, you got to look at what Femke Ball's building. Femke Ball's building a campaign to show how great she is. Yes, Sidney's chasing history. Femke Ball is chasing Sidney to history. But what's going to happen

is Sidney can't make no mistakes in her race. She can't hit no hurdles. She can't stutter step femcabal is going to be right there in that picture frame when it counts do i think that that running that 44 7 to run that 47 in that mixed relays is going to tax femcabal no she's trained for that this whole season she's been running mixed relays from the world relays all the way through to now so her body's ready for that. It's used to it.

When I think about it, they set the world record and then you come back and to gas out on the last, I'm assuming gas, that monkey jump on your back, which allowed the Netherlands or Holland, for that matter, to close the gap where we weren't able to win gold.

Is there any other methods that you guys go through in preparation for after running a race like that to kind of recover a little bit faster outside of cold tub, ice tub, massages? Is there anything else you guys can do to kind of refresh your legs after an event like that? Not necessarily. We do have the state-of-the-art trainers that come with us you know for team for team usa so everyone's on deck making sure these athletes are ready for the next next event or the next round for the finals so um i think they're going to be in great hands when you look at somebody like phil cabal she ran from fourth place to first place that's's hard to do already. If you already in the lead, Team USA was already in the lead by a margin. So for her to run people down one by one to get to the front, what do you do?

The only thing you can do is you got to go into your arsenal and get a bigger gun. You got to go get someone like tap Sidney on the shoulder and say, Sidney, we need you for this mixed relay. We got to see what we can do because now that's the only thing you really can do. Okay. Yeah. Sidney we need you for this mixed relay we gotta see what we can do because now that's the only thing you really can do okay yeah it's gonna be very it's gonna be very interesting the women's four by four because you know Sidney normally runs like second or third leg they might save Sid for the anchor leg just in case it comes down to Femke and this thing's closed now that's what I want to see I want to see I believe I believe if Femke Boll has anything less than a five-meter lead, Sid will go get her. I've seen Sid run open 48-75 and not be pushed.

I've seen her run 22.07 and really not be pushed. I believe she can go. She might be the first since Metarina Colt in 85 to go below 48, Justin. Well, first of all, you're making my appetite for a competition kind of like spark right now, Doc, to watch Sydney run down Fib Cabal in the finals

of the women's 4x4 with 5-meter gap. Boy, that is going to be amazing to watch, man. Give it to 5 might be too much. 5 might be too much. Five might be too much because. But here's the thing. We've seen when people apply pressure to Femke. We saw it in the world championship.

We saw when the girl put that pressure and started to ease up on her. We saw it tied up. You see, it's easier to run from behind than it is the front. Justin, you know this because you get to relax. Now, all of a sudden, because if she doesn't come back, ain't nobody saying nothing. Everybody say, well, man, look how far she had to come from. But when you in the front and you

feel that pressure and that crowd ooh, ooh, ooh, and they start standing and they start chomping at the bit and you hear that crowd, you know, even if you don't look at the bit, and you hear that crowd, you know, even if you don't look at the board, Justin, you hear it. You know it.

You can feel it. Now all of a sudden, you're like, damn, now my hamstring's starting to tighten up. Ooh, now you start running straight up. You start looking like Michael Johnson running. And see it coming. Absolutely, boy. If they come out with the hood whoop in Paris during the Olympics, boy,

I'm going to come out of retirement, boy. That's entertainment right there for sure oh that'd be dope that'd be dope um we look at ryan krauser three times he's the first man in history to win three consecutive shot put the shot win the shot put three consecutive olympics with three gold medals in the olympics he's put it away on his first throw. I think he went 22.64 meters. And then he finished it off with a 22.90 meters. Not quite his world record, but he put it away early. So what Ryan Krause likes to do, he likes to get that big throw first.

Come catch him if you can. Absolutely. That's going to put pressure on the rest of the competition. If I put that big throw out there, then you ain't focused on how you, your technique is. You ain't focused on what you and your coach been working on all year. You trying to go get that gold medal. You trying to get that mark. And at the end of the day, hey, that

many people in the world has ever thrown that far before except for Ryan Krause. So now your whole, your whole game plan is all off tilt now. You know what I mean? So he knows what he's doing and he's doing it over and over and over again the point is he needs to go ahead and clone himself so he can have some competition because right now he's running away with it yeah all the big all the big jokes consistently and

this is the third straight olympic that the americans have gone one two in the shot put ryan krauser's one the last three uh joe kovacs has been been the one the silver medal joe's like uh man i don't know what the hell like i don't know what i can do because we know at any given moment ryan krauser can unload a world record a mythical world record that we thought i remember i'm old enough to remember justin when randy barnes threw that world record i think 7510 back in 88. And I was like, ain't nobody ever going to break that record. And here, lo and behold, we got a six foot five Oregonian over 300 pounds.

And he's 76. And I mean, he obliterated the record. It wasn't a couple of feet. You know, I think Timmerman had the record before Randy Barnes broke it, but he's just, like you said, he's in a class by himself right now, throwing that 16-pound metal ball. So how are we going to get you out of here on this one? You come across athletes like Ryan, Sidney, or Usain,

they just say, do your best. Do your best. Let me ask, give us your preliminary think what you think is going to happen in the 100 meter we got the men we got no allows we got kashane thompson we got obelique seville uh we've got kenny beneric we got uh fred clerk curly uh we got the uh the uh the italian that won the uh I forget his name. Marcel Jacobs. Marcel Jacobs, who ran 980, but he has not been in that form since. He's been Nick all the way. You got Samir.

So you've got some guys that are right there, but seems to be the overwhelming favorite is Kashane Thompson. Since he laid down that 977,ah lyles did run in 981 which is a lifetime best again he's not the best starter the 200 meters is his best race because it gives him a chance to build up but ain't no building up in 100 meters no not at all i think what's gonna happen in this situation is key shane is right now is the favorite right on paper for sure when you watch him race and you watch him go through the rounds i mean you go through his practices and you see the videos he looks like a rocket coming out the blocks he looks strong watching him run that nine seven and shutting it down at the jamaican trials

look it gave me it gave me nightmares and i'm retired you know what i mean yeah so when you watching the when you watch an individual like that, the only thing you can do is you got to turn it into a foot race. Noah Lyles got to turn it into a foot race. Fred Curley and the rest of the guys, they got to meet him at the 55 meter mark. When he goes and tries to take off,

you got to go strive for strive with an individual like that. Because someone like him, he doesn't need to run through the line. He shuts it down before he gets to the line. Show him something different go strive for stride with him for the last 20 meters and see exactly what he's made of that's what you only gonna get on top of that podium if you run strive for stride and make him die uh die for that line that's where you're gonna see a different key shame but you gotta go and you gotta surprise him you gotta go strive for stride with half of them

for half of the race to go and the funny got to surprise him. You've got to go strive for stride with half of the race to go. And the funny thing about that, when you mention that, being able to go strive for stride, that means you've got to get out with him too. So your foot speed, your turnover, your transition at the very beginning has to be that much better, that much faster than what you're used to running. And then when you factor in the pressure situation because of who you're running with. The nervousness, the butterflies. Obviously, I've never been in that position, but I'm thinking about the nervousness when it was just time for me just to play a regular game on Sunday.

So I could imagine in Paris at the Olympics, you know, representing your country, it got to be not the worst feeling, but such an adrenaline rush where you want to perfect all the work you put in for the last four years to a t and perfect it to a science and the fact you have someone that's ran nine seven and that's in the back of your mind and it has to be it has to be and i'm excited i'm excited to see

it and hopefully you really there's nothing it's not like magic you can't just change your routine you can't change a technique. It just, like you said, you got to show them something different. Well, I'm going to make sure that I'm watching. I'm hoping we can do it. I'm hoping. I think we have a good shot at it. You know, those guys, when you look at Fred Curley, you know, he's built with a lot of grit.

He loves to be able to have that adversity, you know what I'm saying, to go through. And when you look at someone like Noah Lyles, he's a showman. He's kind of like a Usain Bolt. When the pressure's on and lights turn on, I'm going to give him my best. I'm going to show up and I'm going to show out. So I think Team USA has the arsenal to go out there and upset, you know what I'm saying, Keyshane. But Keyshane is the enigma. No one's ever seen him in a championship.

No one's ever seen him. Noah hasn't really raced against him either. So now it's a whole new look so when that gun goes off your heart gonna be right beating very fast because this is somebody you've never raced against or you've never had an opportunity to watch film on really so you got to go out there and just run light pole to light pole like back in the day i like that like i think the thing you said something very interesting, Justin. I remember my coach, I was running the third leg of the 400 meters in the relay. And the guy, he ran the open four. And he had done got out.

And, you know, because, you know, back then, we could switch the stagger. It wasn't like, okay, you pencil in to run the third leg, the second leg, anchor leg. We was moving people around according. So, Coach said, hey, Coach switched us around. I was supposed to be the anchor because it was going to be too far out of hand. And so he told me to go to third leg. And so I was like, Coach, what you want me to do?

He said, sucker, you got to put him to the test. Make him run. Make him run the entire – him run make him run the entire don't let him relax so what i did is that i ran and i pulled up beside him so now he got to go he's got to run faster than he thought he was going to have to run but i said oh i just something told me i said i'm gonna stay here as long as i can because I'm going to see how I can be uncomfortable longer than you can, bro, because I know what I've done. But we're going to see. When we

got to the curve, I said, I should go. I said, no, I'm going to sit right here. I'm going to sit right here on him because he didn't know I was there. He kept looking. He kept glancing. Once I saw him glance that last time, I said, I got it. When we pulled out, we had that last 80 feet I said, I got it. When we pulled out. You hit it.

We had that last 80 feet. Let's go home. I looked over at him. I put the baton. I put, hey, I put the baton in his face. I told you I was mad. Hey, hey, hey, hey. To the house.

I turned it over to the ankle leg, and we brought it home. But that's the thing what you're saying about what they're going to to do to kashane you gotta put him to the test if you let him be sky free at 50 meters you're not gonna be able to touch it you gotta make him run those first 50 meters because noah had the top end speed that if i'm with you for 50 meters or i'm a step behind you at 50 i can bring it home absolutely that's what it's going to take. It's going to take that grit. You know what I mean? You got to put up,

you got to put question in his mind or doubt in his mind. When you strive for stride, when he was like, Oh man, I ain't running nine, seven, I must be running nine, nine or something like that.

Cause you right next to me, but in reality you are running nine, seven, but I am too. Cause I'm with you. Right. Uh, to Bogo,

uh, uh, the Botswana, he's run, he's what he has. He run like nine, eight. He's run 9.8 this year. He's a legit, there's a Kenyan that's run 9.79. So there have been some, there are a couple of guys that are in the 100 meter field, Justin, that's run a faster time than Noah's lifetime best. Kashane 977. I forget the guy from Kenya. He run 979. Ferdinand Omayala, yep.

Yes, yes. So there are some guys in there. But here's the thing, and you know this. Every Olympic, we saw Osawa Powell come to the line with the fastest time in the world leading into the Olympics and every time he ain't getting on the podium so just because you got the fastest time over there

in Paris or the Diamond League or whatever the case may be your trials can you run that time when it matters the mark of any great offense or defense can you run that time when it matters oh you'll remember the mark of any great offense or defense can you do what you need to get done when you have to get it done well can you run 9-7 in olympic final big stage can you run 9-7-9 in olympic final watch because if you can't that's going to be the difference in the ball game just it is absolutely when you think about

these countries like Jamaica, those athletes carry a lot of pride. But also what comes with that pride is pressure because they put that whole country on their back. Yes. So, you know, that's what you got to placate to. You got to placate to, all right, you got that pride. You're going to show up.

But what about that pressure? Is that pressure heavy? We're going to test that pressure. And that's what Team USA has to do. They got to test that pressure. And the rest of the field got to do that too because that's what it's really going to take right because at the end of the day right now on paper it's key shames all the way but it's going to take a real person that

to step up to that start line and finish first he's gonna have to have the start of his life yes he's gonna have to start he's gonna have to start have the start of his life his best start his reaction time i'm not saying he needs to be christian coleman but he's to have to have the start of his life, his best start, his reaction time. I'm not saying he needs to be Christian Coleman, but he's going to have to have the start of his life. Because the thing is, if you let Kashawn get out there and relax, you know, a relaxed runner is a dangerous runner, Justin. It is. And that's what he was able to get to the lead in the Olympic trials. And that's why he can sit it down down because he knows once he got to the front he knows a Balik Saville don't have that kind of top end speed to challenge him. He knows

none of those other guys have the top end speed to challenge him. So now he can just sit down and I can relax. Justin, you know the guy when they got that lead? Oh, good lord, look at that step. That's how he looked. That's how he looked in the prelims but he looked up at the screen. He's just running half in the prelims. But he looked up at the screen.

He's just running half of the race, just running, looking up at the screen, but relaxed, relaxed. And as soon as somebody pulled up on him and put him to the test. Yep, got to tighten up. Okay, let's take a look at the women's 200 meters. The favorite hasn't been running well this year.

I don't know if she's an injured. Sharika Jackson, she pulled out of the 100 meters. She's like, her and her coach decided that the best chance for her to win a medal, the gold medal, was in the 200. But I don't know, has she been under 22 this year? She hasn't

looked like the Sharika Jackson that ran 21-41 at the World Championship. And Eugene, obviously Gabby Thomas has been amazing. When you break this race down, what are you looking at? What's going to surprise you? What's going to be the difference? If Sharika is healthy, is she the favorite?

If Sharika is healthy and we know how Sharika can run, in my mind, she's a favorite. She gets the job done. In the last couple last couple years it wasn't about her winning it was about her chasing that that world record that flojo record she's the closest one to to get to it so i think that confidence is at a different level you know what i mean she's become a world champion she knows what it takes to be a champion so the byproduct is the gold medal the fact is i want to go after that world record you know what i mean so i think a healthy sharika could get the job done but if it's a not healthy sharika and i'm only reading through the words of listening to her press conferences and when you talk about preserving your energy or your health you know what i mean just to see if i have an opportunity to win just in the 200 not over the 100 and we know she could do damage in both she's

ran 1060 in the in the 100 so she's one of the fastest females in the the 100. And we know she could do damage in both. She's ran 1060 in the 100. So she's one of the fastest females in the world, bar none. So we know that she can get the job done there. I think that she's buying time for her and whatever her little knickknack injuries may be to be able to make sure that she's at least close to 100% as possible when she goes out there for that 200. But at the end of the day, you cannot count out out gabby gabby has shown that she can get the job done she does it with grace she does it with poise it almost shows like a 2.0 of allison felix she she glides and she prances across that track but she powers it home that last 50 meter that's what gabby's dangerous at her last race that she just ran she wasn't even in first place with 20

meters to go and she surgedged on the... She ran down Julian Alford and Nita. That's what I'm talking about. And Julian Alford just ran 10-7. So that tells you exactly what Gabby has up her sleeve for this 200. She in shape and she ready. Yeah. That's going to be

a good one. Ocho, obviously the man. Noah is the overwhelming favorite but Degrass he won it last he won it the last Olympic cycle you have Kenny Benary he put it he pushed Noah all the way to the line you got

uh uh uh Arian Knight the American um that's run 1960 you got Benary that's run 1959 you got Degrass that's run 1960 you got benedict that's run 1959 you got the grass that's run 1962 you got a no allows that's run 1931 handicap this race noah that's his that's his baby he he loves that 200 that's where he thrives at right he's ventured into the world at 100 meters and he's been successful so so far but that baby is his 200 that's where his pride his ego lies

he can't lose since he got that bronze medal in 2021 he's never lost a 200 meter... So he's going to come out ready to roll no matter what happens. I think we froze a little bit. There we go. Before that... Before that... You looking at Aaron Dine? Aaron Dine got the fresh legs. Aaron Dine got the fresh legs. Aaron

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in high school and college. They throw you outside and you're that fast. But are you surprised the level of success that Kenny Benderick has been able to have in the 100 meters after not really running 100 meters say the first five, six years of his career, especially on the international level? No, not at all. career, especially on an international level?

No, not at all. Actually, I trained with Kenny before I retired. So I watched him compete. You know, I know that he has, I know he has that go, but he has, his acceleration is unmatched. It's the fact that he needs to make sure his timing at the end of his races is there. Same thing with Fred Curley.

I was the first one to race Fred Curley when he dropped down from the four to the hundred and he beat me in a hundred meters. I was like, oh man, it's a 400 meter runner i ain't got nothing to worry about boy i could not drop him off at the 50 meter mark he was still with me and he beat me i was like i told the world yo watch out man fred curly ready boy he went on to become he's going to become a world champion so when you look at guys like that they're poised to do great things across the board from the four all the way down to the 100 they have that talent so if you had to handicap this race and you picking who do you think's on the podium

in the 200 i'm gonna go noah kenny i think it's gonna be american sweet i'm gonna go noah kenny arian wow yeah i'm trying to when was the last time we swept the 200 meters do we have to go back to 84 for Olympics probably do we probably do we have to go back far man cause I think that was the year

who was it was it Carl Lewis I think Kurt Baptiste and Thomas Jefferson? I think it was Mike Marsh. I think it was Mike Marsh in there. In 84? Are you sure he was? Mike Marsh? That's a little bit Yeah, that's a little earlier

than Mike Marsh. I think Mike Marsh might have been like 92 or something. But it was a sweep. I think Thomas Jefferson. Because Joe DeLoach Joe DeLoach was 88. I think Joe DeLoach. I don't know why I want to say that. You know what? It was 88 because I think 84 was a boycott year. That was a boycott year. No, 80 was the boycott year. 80 was the boycott year was in Moscow because the Soviet invaded Afghanistan. And so the Russians repaid us the favor when it was in 84, when it was in L.A. So they repaid us the favor after we boycotted their asses in 1980.

But I know we, as a matter of fact, hell, we might have swept 100 meters too. Because I know Sam Grady, Sam Grady, called one, said, Dada, you're a Tennessee alum like yourself. He went to Northside Atlanta. And I think Ron Brown might have got the bronze.

Yeah. We might have swept both of them. Yeah. I think that was it. That was 100 meters. Y'all look that up. But I was a sophomore in high school now i remember that then um the relay look we had three women in the fight we got silver and bronze

um gabby so chakiri will probably run anchor it'll probably be the same team that won the world and ran one of the fastest times in the history of the women's relay so Gabby will probably anchor no, Sha'Carri will anchor Gabby will run third leg, cause she can run the turn like no other

T.T. Terry, who made the Olympic finals in the 100 meters, she'll run she'll run the second leg, and Jefferson will get out the gate for us. If we could, ain't no reason we shouldn't challenge the world record and win the gold medal. You know who you sound like

right now, Shannon? You sound like my co-host on Ready, Set, Go. He said the women, the 4x1, they about to break the world record, man. It's theirs to lose, to be honest, man. I mean, if you look around now, said go he said the women the four by one they about to break the world record man is there to lose to be honest man i mean if you look around now who's usually our formidable opponent is jamaica and right now they're pretty dismantled when it comes to no elaine shriek is probably injured and then we don't know exactly what's going on with shellyanne no shellyanne so we

have to see exactly team usa has it right there it should be an easy win for them and it should be a world record for them but that world I mean they're going to have the baton is going to have to be perfect because that 48 that 40.82 I mean think about what they obliterated I mean they

didn't creep past the world record Justin they blew it out of the water they went sub 41, which in women, nobody thought that was even possible for women to go sub because the Russians had that. I think the Russians or the East Germans had that record for damn near 30 years. The Germans, that's who it was.

It was the Germans, yep. Yep. And so nobody thought sub 41. They're like, okay, yeah, somebody will probably get 40. I think the world record at the time was 41 30 and somebody's like well somebody probably run 41 25 to go from from what they were running to 40.82 so listen when you think about it those three women that they train together tt terry melissa jefferson shakari richardson iron sharpens iron yes they train

together they know how to get the job done, and they not happy with the result from the 100. You know what I mean? So they gonna come back to make sure they get their gold and seal that deal. And what's the better way to seal the deal? Make sure you get a gold and a world record with it too. I like it.

So, see, there's a question. Where are the best sprinters from? they from florida are they from texas are they from california uh seem like virginia says hey we raising our hand georgia say hey throw us in the mix where the what state produces the best florida i'm gonna tell you just like this texas makes the most fast runners, but Florida makes the best fast runners. For whatever reason, when you have a sprinter from Florida, they the best in the world, boy. Christian Miller, Xavier Carter, myself.

It's different. It's different, man. It's different. We could be one of one. One of one, bro. We don't need a whole arsenal of of sprinters we just need one or two we good we gonna take over the world but just i don't know if people realize this you started out as a as a hurdler as a 110 meter hurdler and dropped down why did you drop down i just had

extra talent my high school coach realized that i was the fastest sprinter but i also could hurdle so you know how it is with team you got to score them points you try to get all the points you can so he's like why are we trying to fight each other for the same points we're gonna throw him in the hurdles so that's how i actually got my start that's actually how i got to college once i got to college i told my coach i could sprint too so we had a private practice he saw me sprint he kind of shook his head like, okay, okay. He's like, all right, man, you ain't no hurtling no more. And then from there, I went on to win six NCAA titles. The first thing I said to him was like, hey, coach, I'm from Florida.

He's like, oh, yeah, you can sprint. So let me ask you a question. Obviously, what are the typical track practice like for 100 meter 200 meter runner i mean i mean if you think about it we have we have stages to get to that point of elite sprinting so from from november to to about january that's all of our endurance phases from january on to, uh, I'll say, uh, beginning of March.

That's our sprint endurance phase. And then from March all the way to like May, that's our speed, total speed phase. So we do a 500 repeats in our endurance phase. We do one exactly with two minutes. How much rest time in those 500? How many,

how much rest time? You got to come through and hit it about a minute 50. And then when you cross the line, you got two minutes rest before between. How much rest time in those 500? How much rest time? You got to come through and hit it about a minute 50. And then when you cross that line, you got two minutes rest before you hit the next one. And you got to hit six of them. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. It's different, bro. Hey, you come across that line fighting to get across that line.

That's how you be looking. Wait, how many? You said five? Yeah, you're going to do two. And then you got to back it up. No, you got to do 500 And then you got You got to back it up No you got to You got to do 500

Two minute rest 500 Then you get six minutes rest And you got to repeat the process Two more times So you got six of them Oh hell Oh hell no

Yeah Yeah I want to You know my daughter She runs at University of Kentucky She runs a four and eight You think she has to do They have that same process

Nah Is it as Is it as complex as you guys Or no is she still running 800 yeah my if she's still running 800 she's gonna have some workouts on it she's gonna have a lot of broken a lot of broken 400s for sure that's what she's gonna have for sure for real but yeah but if she gets if you getting ready for that that speed endurance phase that speed endurance phase is going to be a lot of repeat 100s. What's up? There you go, Jay. What's up, girl?

You good? Yes, I'm good. All right, we talk about your workouts for this season. So, it's a... Because I saw... What's the guy? Hudson Smith. And I think Stevie Gardner.

Lil Stevie, the Bahamian. He's the guy uh hudson smith and i think stevie gardner little stevie uh the bahamian he's the he's the reigning olympic champ and they had six repeaters of 200 meters so you had to come through in 26 seconds and you got two minute rest so you come through in 26 you got two minute rest and you got to do that six times yeah yeah that's a grueling where you got to put that work in so you can sustain that that that that endurance all the way through your season. You know what I mean? So you want to get out and get that one off. It's like it's like watching the rounds of the Olympics right now. You can run a one off well, but you need to have that energy for the prelims, semis, and you've got to be able to show on that finals right and as you go and as you go like the 400 it's even more grueling because you got the opening round then you got the semis and now you got and and now it ain't no more like it ain't no more jogging because everything is a sprint now i watch them guys run uh the the 10k the meters, and they basically run it every lap at a

minute. 100%. Everything is a sprint. It ain't no more, hey, I'm going to build up, I'm going to pace it, and then I'm going to strike at the end. Ain't no more pacing. Ain't no more striking at the end. You're going from the gun. Everything is a sprint. You're going from the gun. That's what it is. You got to go out there. The level of competition has risen in track and field

world across the board. That's correct. so let me ask you this justin you're in the finals you done gone through your warm-up you've talked to your coach you got your last minute instructions now you're up under the stadium and they're getting ready to bring you guys out what's going through your mind as you're getting ready to run, as you're getting ready to walk out, and you know the premier event in all the Olympics and all

the track and field is the 100 meter. And you know if someone has television that race is on. What's going through Justin Gatlin's mind as he's getting ready to come out from under that stadium and take that track for nine seconds i'm a gamer man i'm a gamer so i'm itching to get out there i want to get because what happens is we sitting in the call room the call

room probably as big as a walk-in a large very large walk-in closet probably 20 by 20 so you imagine the elite athletes the best fastest, fastest men in the world, they're all sitting shoulder to shoulder in this quiet little room. And so one individual walks in there, and they say, y'all ready to go? And you stand up, you grab your bag, you get single file line, and you walk in into that stadium. And then as you walk in, it gets dim. But then the whole stadium opens up.

You can smell the energy. You can smell the energy because guess what everybody sees you walk out and they look at you and you know what time it is so for me my mentality is this is what i've been waiting for i'm ready to get on that track i'm ready to tear these people apart i'm ready to go out here and put on put on the show because all that work i did all them 500s and everything i did i ain't gonna let it i ain't gonna let it be in vain i gotta go out here and show out especially and when you win at a championship it's usually across seas over somewhere else in the world right so you're gonna get a lot of dominant european flags flying around people from other countries it always be

that one little american flag flapping for someone from Iowa or something like that you've never met before in your life. You know what I mean? And they just waving that flag just, ah, ah, Justin, go, baby. That's where your energy's at. You look at them, you point to them, you be like, all right,

I'm doing that for you. And then once that moment happens, you get in that blocks, gun goes off, you got a whole ass, man. That's what you do for that pride. That's loud.

I mean, Justin, your start, that's what you were known for. Your start, that drag, you and Kristen, where that toe is basically scraping the top of the track. It is... And you drive it.

Tuck your arms in. Your arms all out here, man. No, I, no. No, I'm just saying. No, I'm talking about the top of his foot. Yeah, but I'm saying. Dragging on the top of his back. You were doing the example.

You had your arms all out here, man. Tuck your arms on the example. You got to go ear to pocket. So when you're doing that and you're like, do you know when you have a great drive do you know like oh this it feel oh yeah you don't when you hit it when that gun goes off and you leave the blocks you but i hit that one just like that you know it the first the first two steps hit it yeah and you just start accelerating you like yeah especially when you low you can look behind you almost and see everybody like are accelerating. You're like, yeah.

Especially when you low, you can look behind you almost and see everybody like, oh, alright, got them, boy. They done. They done. So, at what point in time, how many steps are you going before you're like, okay, I keep my head because for really, like, Mo Green was really the first one that he stayed, I mean, he kept his head down and then all of a sudden, it, I keep my head. Because for really like Mo Green was really the first one that he stayed. I mean, he kept his head down.

And then all of a sudden, it was like a swimmer. All of a sudden, he popped up on top of the water. You know, like Michael Phelps. When he go down and they stay up on the water, and all of a sudden, he pop up. It's like Mo Green was really like the first one that we really noticed. I mean, Ben Johnson did did it also but we're gonna talk about being but uh but mo but how many steps are you counting your steps as okay one two three four five okay here i go you don't necessarily have to count your steps i use actually uh p uh

places on the track as a point of reference so if i get to that point of reference it's almost like 13 14 steps so if i get to that point i know i could eyeball where 30 meters is i know i got to drive today and once i once i come across that that that piece of line whatever that color on the track i can say all right this is when i start to come up and start moving because you can't you got to have your blinders on when you in your drive phase you can't be looking around all the place that's where your real focus is once you come out that drive phase you go in that transition everything's a blur and then that's when you start to come into your drive phase, you can't be looking around all the place. That's where your real focus is. Once you come out of that drive phase, you go in that transition, everything's a blur. And then that's when you start to come into your competition phase once you get

to that top end speed. And then you can look around and say, okay, this is where everybody is. Oh, that's live, man. How many steps did it take you to run 100 meters? 41 steps. Usain was 40 steps.

Wow. So, me and him were the longest striders. You're looking at an average elite, elite athletes taking about 40, 43 steps to 44 steps. Yeah, yeah,

I was doing 44 in high school too, bro. Yeah. Man. That's crazy. Bro. That's crazy. Bro. That's moving. Hey,

make sure you guys go follow Justin on IG at Justin Gatlin. Twitter too. Twitter, Justin Gatlin on Twitter.

At Justin Gatlin on Twitter also. He has a podcast. What's your podcast called, Justin? Ready, set, go. Ready, set, go. Ready, Set, Go. All things track.

Obviously, you're talking about a guy that's one of the greatest sprinters, not only just in American history, but all the world and all time history. He's an Olympic champ. He's a world champ. He's an NCAA champ. He's a high school champ. And when you talk about sprinting, what better way to get information than somebody that's done it not talk

about doing it he's actually done it on an extremely high level you want to talk about this pole vaulter huh nah Justin oh yeah hey

Justin we really appreciate Ocho and I and nightcap family we really appreciate you staying up late at night giving us your expertise on what transpired today in the women's 100 meter final obviously to uh to go over what's going to transpire what possibly could transpire in the men's 100 meters and the 200 as well as the women 200 meters we didn't get we didn't get to the uh the 400 um stevie gardner's trying to repeat only michael johnson is the only man in the history of the olympics to ever repeat the 400 meters and we've had some great ones uh lee evans didn't do it jeremy warner didn't do it um uh um way van niekerk didn't do it. LaShawn Merritt didn't do it. I mean, think about it.

Only Michael Johnson is the only man in history to ever repeat the 400 meters. And so Stevie Garner, little Stevie, is trying to do something only one other man in the history of the Olympics has ever been able to do, to repeat the 400 meters as the Olympic champion. Hopefully, we can get you back on here, and we can recap the men's 100 meters, 200 meters, and possibly the 400

meters. Bro, I really appreciate you stopping by, taking time with us today, man. Best of luck. Safe travels from Paris, and we'll catch up with you soon, bro. I appreciate it, man. I'll be looking in the mail for my nightcap shirt, man. Best of luck. Safe travels from Paris, and we'll catch up with you soon, bro. I appreciate it, man. I'll be looking in the mail for my nightcap shirt, man. I love both of them. I need both of them, man.

I got you. Text, ask your address. T-shirt. T-shirt. Short. You ain't gonna put them short. You ain't gonna put them shorts on. Boy, give me them shorts right there. They too small for you already now. My size.

I don't even know if you can fit me. Can you fit me, Justin? Hey, it's Hoochie Daddy summertime, man. Hoochie Daddy shorts, man. That's my shorts right there. We got you. We got you covered, bro. Hey, Justin, appreciate it. Get some rest, man, and

enjoy the rest of the events. The rest of the while you're over there, man. Really appreciate it get some rest man and enjoy the uh enjoy the rest of the uh the events uh the rest of the while you're over there man really appreciate it appreciate it that's uh justin gatlin um olympic champion 100 meters world champion 100 meters 200 meters and the ncaa champ um taking time out of his schedule to uh bring us some expertise guys which what we try to do is that we try to um bring you guys the best information that we possibly can yeah ocho and i can talk about it but you know i say you know what how about i just go ahead and reach out and see if he's willing to come on and uh he was willing to come on, and we greatly, greatly appreciate that.

Go ahead. Who is this? Oh. Two world records have been set. Okay. The French pole vaulter pole gets him bounce from the heat. We can, we can't show it,

but I know you saw the video. He goes up fine, but when he's coming down, um, something ends up knocking the bar, knocking, knocking the bar off. What?

It is. What happened? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That. Oh, you talk about, buddy. Yeah. Yeah.'re talking about oh buddy yeah yeah that's messed up that's messed up that's messed up that's that's crazy for something like that to happen obviously god bless you and then and those blessings mess up you at the olympics and now

you're going home yeah well he might need to try another Olympic. The Porn Olympics. He might be great now with Ocho. Hey. But his day at the pole vaulting is over thanks to that mishap.

Yeah, that's messed up, man. That's crazy. Yeah, it was I guess when they said track and field he didn't he uh left one of the E's out oh yo he left one of the E's out

I'm sorry y'all pause pause uh two world records have been set in the past two days in the mixed 4x4 meter relay Vernon Norwood, Shamir Litter, Kalen Brown, and Bryce Dedman set the world record with a time of 3 minutes

7 seconds, 3 minutes 7.41 seconds. 3 minutes 7 seconds,.41. And that was yesterday in the prelims. As we mentioned earlier, they ended up losing the gold medal. But because they did

break the world record and i said any american that breaks the world record so as a matter of fact vernon norwood hit me in the dm he and ash has already exchanged information and so over the next several days we're going to get the mixed relay uh team Vernon Norwood, Shamir Little, Kalen Brown, and Bryce Dedman. We're going to all get them on here. And so they do have 50,000 coming their way to be split 12-5 to each individual. Congratulations. Congratulations.

Congratulations. Congratulations, guys. Wish you guys could have pulled it off. But hey, I'm a man of my word. We're going to get that done. And in swimming, Nick Fink, Gretchen Walsh, Torrey Husk, and Ryan Murphy brought home the gold for Team USA in the 100-meter

mixed relay and set a new world record in the process. So, congratulations, USA. Two world records. One in a gold medal winning performance, the other in a silver performance. But hey, we're proud of any medals. We're proud of our men and women

that went over there and represented the U.S. very, very well. So thank you guys again for your hard work, all that and everything. I wish I could have went over there to represent us in something. I know I'm old. I'm not sure what I could have done competitively. Yeah, but man, man.

Nothing. What? Listen to Justin. Listen to Justin explain being in that room with all the sprinters, and they call you, and then you go into the stadium, and it's dim, and then it opens up. Oh, man. Oh, that feeling, man. Remember that feeling, Unc, man, coming out of the locker room?

Yeah, the stadium. Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, yeah, absolutely. No, they got gotta be one of the best can you get better than that the super bowl you walking out there and they're getting ready to introduce your name and you're standing on the sideline and that stealth bomber ends up flying over at the end of the national anthem and you see it and then it goes over and then when it's

past you now you know know that was crazy. Now, just just thinking and visualizing that, man, that's got to be the greatest feeling, man. Oh, yeah. So how many more days? We still got a week left, right? Because it doesn't end till what? Next Sunday. Next Sunday.

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