Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Knicks beat Celtics to advance to ECF, Aaron Gordon doubtful for Game 7 with hamstring injury!

Episode Date: May 17, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson & Joe Johnson react to Jalen Brunson and the New York Knicks beat Jaylen Brown and the Boston Celtics to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals for the first time in 25 years, Aaron Gordon doubtful for Game 7 with a hamstring injury, and Jimmy Butler says its refreshing to be Stephen Curry’s sidekick and much more!01:47 - Introduction03:46 - Knicks v Celtics17:12 - Shams update on Gordon’s hamstring34:00 - Jimmy Butler says its refreshing to be Steph Curry’s sidekick41:17 - Steve Kerr asked about offensive system58:37 - 76ers will listen to offers for the number 3 draft pick(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I think they could have used Jason Tatum tonight, but we'll talk about that a little later. But the New York Knicks are going to the Eastern Conference Finals for the first time since 1999? Yeah, LaMercia was three years old since 1999. They advanced to the Eastern Conference Finals by the score of 119-81.

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That ended tonight. Jalen Brunson was three years old the last time the Knicks made the Eastern Conference Finals. It was 2000? Okay, it's 2000. Excuse me. 2000. But they do it thanks to a balanced scoring effort miles bridges

22 points og annanoby 23 points cat 21 points and 12 rebounds jaylen brunson 23 points and josh hart had a triple double 10 points 11 rebounds 11 assists as they roll decisively by, what, 30, what is that, 38? By 38 points over the Brooklyn, not Brooklyn, over the Boston Celtics playing without Jason Tatum. There's been a lot of discussion over the last couple of days, oh, this team plays better without Jason Tatum. You mean to tell me a team is better without a four-time All-NBA selection, a perennial All-Star?

You trying to tell me your team is better without one of the better players in the NBA? I'd never believe that for a second. Don't listen. One game, anything can happen. We know. But you and everybody know that they were not beating. The Knicks weren't going to lose three games without the team's best player. But they rolled by 38, and they're going to the Eastern Conference Finals to face the team that they faced in the Eastern Conference Semifinals last year.

That is the Indiana Pacers. Joe, you watch this game. I mean, Boston is ready to do what they do. You want to turn it up? Okay. Wait a minute. Time out. You did say Ocho.

Ocho said, are you guys sure? Yes. The Knicks don't have a chance. Before the season. I said, Ocho, I don't know. I said, you know, I think the Celtics, five, maybe six. Right. I think the Celtics going to get it. You're like, nah, I'm going to ride with the Knicks. I said, I'm riding with the Knicks.

Now, listen, I am a huge fan. All right. You're in the brand. You're the grand marshal. Take off with you. I'm the grand marshal. Now, before we go on, I want to make sure now. I don't know if we remember.

Ash, I might need you to go back and check the tape because I remember if I'm not mistaken, both of you picked the Celtics to win. I think Uncle you said a five. Joe, you might have said six. And on top of that, then I said, okay, let's make it light on yourself. Let's make a little side bet. Both of you chose

to say a certain dollar amount. I ain't bet nothing. I said I ain't betting a man that already owe me money. Okay, that's what you said? Yeah, that's what I said. But Joe, you owe me $500, Joe. We ain't betting no $500, man. I promise you, you said $500. We better light hunt it.

Okay. Why that guy with no heel con? He trying to get over there. I've been trying to charge a little interest. Yeah, we had a nice little friendly bet. You won the bet, man. So you need my cash? Yeah, what you need?

We'll talk about it later. We ain't got time right now. We ain't got time. Oh, what we got going, baby? Yeah. The Knicks got four guys with 20 points or more. You got a triple-double from Josh Hart. Who was that?

Miles McBride came off the bench, gave the 10 solid quick points, and they rolled. They were 19-21 from the free-throw line, 16-46 from the three. They shot 46% from the floor. They did a great job. They turned the ball over a little, but it didn't matter. You know, you could tell early on in the game how this game was going to end. It was not going to end favorably for the Boston Celtics.

They really had only one guy that could get anything going because early on, only Jalen Brunson, excuse me, Jalen Brown was doing anything. Everybody else was just clanking and clanking and clanking. And you know, like, I wonder how many points the Knicks are going to actually win by because this is not going to be a close points the Knicks are going to actually win by. Because this is not going to be a close game, and it's not going to be pretty.

Joe, what do you think? Look, other than being outgunned, why do you think it got so out of hand so quick for the Boston Celtics? I think the Knicks really understood the moment. They didn't want to go back to Boston. And they just came out with that fight and that desire, that intensity to win and get this series over with. I thought Jalen Brown came to play. He gave him a great little boost, but man, when you get

down like that in the playoffs and you got the firepower to fight back, oh man, this game was over well before it even really got started, to be honest with you. Derek Wright was a minus 45 and plus minus Jalen Brown was minus 30 Holiday minus 34

Luke Cornette was minus 16 Al Horford was minus 33 I don't know if I've ever seen somebody minus 45 that's I mean just like Shea was plus 51 I don't know if I've ever seen somebody minus 45 and plus minus, Joe. But you're right.

I mean, the Knicks got it going. They pounded them on the glass, plus 19 on the glass, plus six offensive rebound. Everything was in the Knicks' favor, and the scoreboard would indicate that. It was a close ball game in the first quarter, 26-20. You're like, okay, Boston, you hung around, but the next thing you know, it's a 38-17.

So now you're down 27. You're down 35 at the end of the year, 35 at the end of the so. Yeah. This is a tough one because the Knicks got six guys in double figures. So, by committee, they beat you. They're two top guys,

Cat and Brunson. You know, they did their thing as far as, you know, playing, being efficient, making plays, just playing hard. And then these other guys, like the OGs. OG gave you 23 tonight. I mean, this is close-out basketball, man. They did not

want to go back to Boston. And man, New York is in a frenzy right now, man. They did not want to go back to Boston. And, man, New York is in a frenzy right now, man, because Ocho. I know they're going crazy. Hey, hey, hey. They got a chance to make it to the finals, man. And this is great for basketball.

Yeah. They got an excellent chance. These teams are familiar with each other. There's two different styles. One want to grind you out. The other, you want to get up and down. Sometimes the Knicks will go with their two bigs, Mitchell Robinson and Cat. The only big really that the Pacers have is Miles Turner. They don't really play TB, Thomas Bryant, and Miles Turner together.

So it's going to be very interesting to see because if you put Miles Turner on Mitchell Robinson, that means Pascal Siakam has to deal with Cat. Cat has the advantage. And then when Cat gets his butt down on the block, when Cat is not selling for threes, Cat's unguardable. There's nobody that's currently in the playoffs that can

deal with Cat. Nobody. Nah. Not if he, when he decides like, I'm going to the block. Yeah. I think, hey, okay, Ocho, I think you're going to have to play Cat at the five a lot,

this series against Indiana. Because you're going to have to, you're going to have to deal with Siakam. He's going to, he's a very important piece in this series, who could, who could ultimately win you a series. I don't like the fact that Cat will have to guard him.

So I think you're going to, Cat probably have to guard,he'll probably guard Miles Turner. But Miles Turner can step out to the three. I'm saying Miles is a stretch five. I'm saying if Cat is in there with Bigfella— Yeah, yeah, with Mitchell Robinson. Yes, yes, yes. But, man, these two teams kind of mirror each other to me.

They're both blue-collar teams. Yeah. Going to beat you by a a community you don't really know who gonna beat you. Brunson has been, you know, clutched pretty much the whole playoffs, the whole season, but this is gonna be a good series, man. Two gritty teams

who ain't gonna play a lot of pretty basketball. It's gonna be some ugly games. Yeah. And you got, you know, you got guys that can defend. You got Nembhard that can defend. Neesmith that can defend. You got Mathburn who can defend. So you got, you know, you got guys that can defend. You got them hard. They can defend. Neesmith that can defend. You got a math burn who can defend. So you got some guys that can defend the same thing. You got miles bridges. You got, Oh gee, you got Josh Hart. You got guys on the Knicks that can defend at an elite level.

So I agree with you. It's going to be who takes care of the basketball the best. Right. If you turn the basketball over against the Pacers, they're laying it up before you look around at the fish like, that was a foul. They're laying the ball up at the other end. So these are two teams that we saw them last year. They went seven games. Indiana went to MSG. One

game seven on the Knicks floor. But this is a different Knicks team. This is not... They traded out Julius Randle, brought in a cat, and it seems to be working really, really well. I mean, you know, cat and them, they're, excuse me, Julius Randle, they're in the Western Conference Finals.

They're waiting the winner of the Nuggets and the OKC Thunder. But I thought the Knicks, the Knicks, I don't know if the Knicks can play any better. I mean, you got four guys with 20-plus points. Yeah. And look at the plus. You got Josh Hart gave you a triple-double.

And Miles McBride, who's been playing very well in the limited role that he's been playing, making big shots, playing some really good defense. It's going to be a great series. Would I be surprised if it went six or seven? Nope. I would not. Okay. Well, I got the most important question for both of you again before a series starts.

Now, when it comes to boxing, styles win fights. Yeah. A certain person's style, you understand who probably has a better chance of winning based on the outcome. So, again, you got the Knicks, hard hat, blue collar team. They're going to get it the hard way. And you got the goddamn 4x1 Pacers that like to run up and down the court. Now, who we got winning the series?

Now, you say it, Mike. You say it, Mike. You can see it going 6-7 or 5-6, whatever you say it. Yo, what you think? What's the series going to? Man, listen. I'm down with the Knicks, bro, this whole playoff. Now we're waking up.

Can I talk? Can I talk? I've been down at the Knicks. I had Detroit, you know, giving them problems. They did. Gave them more problems than the Celtics. They gave them problems, but I think they learned through their series. They learned a lot about themselves as far as being resilient.

You know, they lost their first game at home, and I just thought it was going to be an uphill climb, but they pretty much handled their series. And I think it prepared them for this series right here against Boston, man. They were gritty. They were hungry. Obviously, they were the healthier

team, and I just thought they had guys make plays at the right time. And I think it's their time, bro. So, I'm saying that to say this. I don't really want to bet against the Knicks no more, man. But, Ocho, the Pacers got six

duels averaging double figures in the playoffs. Yeah, you're right. They got six, maybe even, maybe seven duels averaging double figures in the playoffs. These two teams man are so scary and you don't really you don't know

what you're going what you're going to get out of them I think like I said same style as far as fight yep I agree

I'm giving the edge to the Knicks because they they got home court advantage oh now you want to oh they got home court advantage man chill

what you want from me I would try to I would try to double or nothing that bet. See if you want to, you know, run it back. But okay. Okay. We might can put a little something on this game seven coming up and the next series in the Western Conference.

So hold your horses. What's game seven? OKC and the Nuggets? Yeah. But man, who you got? I know you look like you got dimples. So I'm going to go ahead and take OKC. Listen, I like the young bulls.

I like the young bulls. Listen, I like SGA to show up and show out and close the game out the way it should be closed out. Hey, well, it sounds like we're thinking like them. Yeah. Sounds like somebody's scared to bet, but okay, go ahead, y'all. So when does the Eastern Conference Finals kick off, Monday or Tuesday? I think Tuesday.

Tuesday, okay. So get a little rest. Pacers are well-rested. They've been off for the last – so they're going to be out there near a week by the time they play, so they'll be well-rested. You know, would I be surprised? I think it's going six to seven games. Nobody's winning.

Nobody's sweeping. Nobody's winning in five. I like six or seven. Right. And they are, you know, look at them, Joe. When you look at how they play and look at how they, you know, the starters and, you know, I think the Knicks probably have like three or four guys in double figures. Man, it's just hard to pick Brunson because that game,

if the game isn't in the clutch moment, I'm not so sure I trust anybody more in the postseason than I trust Jalen Brunson in a clutch moment. Yeah, I agree. He's been special, especially down the stretch. Or when he's been counted out, he's come through time and time again in his postseason. That's why I give the Knicks the edge. Obviously, they got home court advantage, and I think Brunson is going to be a difference maker in this series.

He's shown that. But they're moving on. Knicks are going to the Eastern Conference Finals. And 119-81 victory over the Boston Celtics minus Jason Tatum. I'm not so sure had they had Jason Tatum, they'd have been any different. But they didn't have him. The Knicks may sure left no doubt.

We're not going back to Boston. We're done. We're about to take two, three days off and get ready for the Eastern Conference Finals because this is our chance to get to the NBA Finals, something that we haven't done since 2000. Shams had a very important update today on Aaron Gordon's hamstring. Denver Nuggets forward Aaron Gordon has been diagnosed with a left hamstring strain. And his status is in doubt for Game 7 against the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Sources tell ESPN. Major development heading into Sunday's 3.30 p.m. Eastern game. ABC for the Western Conference Finals berth. We saw that. I saw him grab it last night. He started rubbing it. I saw the way he was walking. And Ocho, we

talked about it last night with Sean Marion. I'm like, I don't like that. I didn't like the way he grabbed it. I say in this instance, they decided I don't like that. I didn't like the way he grabbed it. I say, in this instance, it decided. I don't know if it'll be close if he can't go, and it doesn't look like he's going to go. No, he's not going to be able to go. I mean, what happened to him is really no different

than what happened to Steph Curry. You know, once you feel that pull, once you feel that pinch, it's a wrap at that point. That's grade one. That's grade one. So you're going to miss, what, maybe at feel that pinch, it's a wrap at that point. That's grade one. That's grade one. So you're going to miss, what, maybe at least three games, maybe four, if that. If Steph wasn't able to come back, then Aaron Gordon's not going to be able to come back

either. Oh, yeah. Steph wasn't able to come back in like four games, so what makes you think he's going to be able to come back in 48 hours? He's not going to be able to. He's not going to be able to, because as soon as you try to come out there and make any kind of herky-jerky movement, and he's going to be able to. You're not going to be able to because as soon as you try to come out there and make any kind of herky-jerky movement, and you get the ball again, once they grab again, like a second time, you're done for the series.

Yeah. That's a wrap. And it's like, yeah, this absolutely impacts him because he's a guy he can defend, he can rebound, he can score. Now, last game, he didn't have that big – I mean, he didn't score that much. But we know what Aaron Gordon – he hit the big shot. He had two game-winning shots. He had the game-winning dunk against the Clippers,

and he had the game-winning three in game one against OKC in the first game. So we know what he represents. He's a guy that can defend multiple positions. You'll see him guard Shea. You'll see him guard Jalen Williams. He'll slide the chant. He can guard multiple positions and he can go get you 20 and double

digit rebounds. I don't know where they can get that kind of scoring, where they can get that kind of versatility. No, look, I know Strother had a great game. Russ has been the energizer, buddy. Off the bench for him, but you got to ride the Russ roller coaster. I just don't know, Joe, where they get that kind of versatility,

where you get that scoring, that rebounding from, if Aaron Gordon can't play and it doesn't look like he's going to play. Nah, I think, and outside of Jokic, I think Gordon has been pretty much the most consistent. You know, I know it's been Murray, but for the most part, Gordon has won them games. He won them games last. So he's been a huge piece of their success, you know, in this postseason.

So without him, I'll get Ojo. I mean, you're going to have to lean on some of them young guys you got over there. Hopefully they can come through and have a big game. But Michael Porter Jr. needs to have the game of his life. You say have the game of his life, but how is he having single-digit I don't understand that.

If the injury that Michael Porter Jr. has, if it's that bad to where he's inefficient and he can't shoot, he's not really contributing offensively or defensively, I'm not sure why they just don't start Russ. I don't understand. Well, you said, you and Joe said y'all want

those points off the bench. Yeah, you need that spark plug because you know, one thing Russ is going to do, he's going to get your energy and effort. That's hard to get from a lot of guys nowadays. So, you need that spark off the bench if y'all do come out flat or somebody who can come in and sustain if y'all do get off to a great start.

But, man, yeah, you're going to need somebody to have an out-of-body experience. If Gordon ain't going to be able to go, but if he got that grade one, he might as well hang it up. You can put as much tape on that hamstring as you want to, boy. But you go to moving around, it's a wrap. It's going to pull again. Yeah, I agree. Like, look, Yoke played unbelievable last night. He had 29, 14's a wrap. It's going to pull again. I agree. Look,

Yoke played unbelievable last night. He had 29, 14, and 8. You might need to have 39, 17, and 12. And Jamar Murray probably need to go have an efficient 26 to 32. And Michael Porter Jr. is going to need to give you 20 plus points

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So he can go get you 20, 25 and a quarter. They've been fortunate in that sense. And that's why down the stretch, man, they've been more successful than not. So I think we're going to see the Knicks in the finals. Yeah. It looks like it. That's what I mean. I think ESPN would like that.

Oh, my God. Because I don't know. I don't know. You've got to have the Knicks because they're the only one that has a national following. Everybody else is regional. People in Indiana for the Pacers. People in OKC go to root for OKC. People in Denver go root for Denver.

People in Minnesota. But the Knicks is a household brand. Yeah. And so, and plus you got that, think about the markets. You got Minnesota, you got Oklahoma,

you got Denver, and then you got New York. Can you check? Okay, I don't want to jump the gun on this, but let's say,

let's say the Knicks do make it to the finals. Who would y'all want to see them play against? I know we still got some basketball to play. Ant-Man. There we go. Hey, can you imagine? Because I want to see Cat and Julius. They got swapped for each other.

Yeah. Because somebody's going to say, see, y'all made a mistake. This could have been y'all. If they both make it to the finals, we still going to say that? Of course. Because who win?

Okay. Okay. Okay. Hey, I won. No, no. See, if you'd have me, the roles would have been reversed. If you'd have me,

you'd have kept me. Hey, hey. Oh, Joe. Yeah. It happened. Minnesota in the Knicks. Oh, boy, you got yourself a bad partner. Believe that. Who you got?

Who you got? You got, who you got? The Wolves? Well, Minnesota, yeah, the Wolves, the young Wolves. Hey, hey, uh, hey, Joe. Uh? Imagine New York if they hoist that goddamn championship trophy. Oh, man, come on.

Imagine the city of New York if they had to win the goddamn championship trophy. Oh, man, come on. Imagine the city of New York if they had to win the goddamn championship. I mean, that's like when a Boston or the Lakers, because you're talking about cornerstone franchises. You're talking about from the beginning. It's going to be bigger than that. Oh, yeah, for sure, because it's been so long.

It's just because of the duration. I mean, you got to go back to, what, 73? Yeah. Yeah, that's the last time they won a championship in the Knicks. Man. Yeah. Hey. Them boys ain't going to make no wrong in New York if that happens.

Hey, listen. Everything free. Man. Everything free. Look here. If Jalen Brunson brings a championship to the Knicks, he's goaded. Yeah.

He's looked at like Jeter. He's looked at like Strahan. He's looked at like LT. He's looked at like those great Yankees. That's how he'll be looked at. No question. Think about how they revered those 70 teams, Clyde Frazier, Earl

the Pearl, and rest his soul, Willis Reed. Look how they revered those. Bro, a lot of people don't even remember. Only Spike Lee remembered them winning championships back then. Everybody else probably wasn't even born until like two months old. Right, right, right.

For him to do that, especially at his size. That's going to be... At his size, Ocho, six foot, and he brings a championship. It's easy. It's something about the little guy. It's something about the Iversons

that we can wrap up. Man, I was a little guy. I saw AI, man. AI ain't much bigger than me. And you know, the funny thing about it is, is AI was short. He was small in stature. Jalen Brunson is short and small in stature.

But they play like they... They play big. They play like they 6'6", 6'7". Yeah. Oh, man. Man, you couldn't let... Man, if AI had been 6'6", 6'7"... What?

Hey, hey, hey. That's why he don't give us... that's why he don't give us, that's why he don't give us everything. He just give you, he can't give us everything. I mean, think about Brunson. What if Brunson was 6'6"?

Right. He ain't going to give us everything. He going to give you, he going to give you enough to work with though, Ocho. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? I'll give you some tools now. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'll give you some tools now. You got to find out which tool worked. Right. You trying to cheat now. Ocho, you I'm going to give you some tools now. You got to find out which tool worked. Right.

You trying to cheat now. Ocho, you want me by 6'4". What if Ocho was 6'4"? Ocho, he going to give you everything. I'm already 6'3", now. I know.

Don't worry about it, Joe. Yeah. Man, I hate, you know what? I hate this. this is a game seven and one of the team's key players isn't going to be there yeah it was already an up it's already an uphill climb so now you tell me i got to climb the mountain and i ain't got no shoes hey i mean i understand if you don't give me no mountain boots but damn

at least let me have some uh-Tex, some sneakers, some Nike trail shoes or something. Hey, hey, it's destined. It's destined for some teams to make it, Uncle. He got to. It is. He has the level of playing field sometimes. You know what I mean?

Mm-hmm. So this is why I feel like the road for success for the Timberwolves is high, man, because I think they've been resting and I think they understand the moment as well. I just think it'll be so cool for basketball, man, if we could get the Timberwolves versus the Knicks

in the finals, oh my god. That'd be nice. Yeah, yeah. It's going to be different though. It's going to be. Yeah. I mean, you do the Knicks.

You need the Knicks. You need it. I mean, you can't have OKC in Indiana. I mean, you could, but boy, boy,

that's, that's, that's, that's ugly. That's ugly. Yeah. We got to put some respect on Indiana. No,

we got to put some respect. Oh, the. We got to put some respect on Indiana. Oh, their team is legit. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. You can't say nothing bad about their team because they get up and down the court. They can defend when they want to defend, but they're more interested in getting the ball out of the net or taking it off the rim and getting up and down the court, and sometimes they get a little careless.

But no, no, no, no, no. They got guys that can defend. M. Harden, Matt Byrne, Neesmith, they got guys that can defend. Oh, absolutely. They got guys that come off the bench. Mathburn and McConnell comes off the bench, giving you quality, quality minutes. Occasionally, TB will come off the bench and give you 10 solid minutes.

He'll get you a couple of points, a couple of rebounds. But it's that five with McConnell and Mathurin. It's that seven. Now, we know they're a committee. They're going to look to have five, six guys in double figures. Somebody might have 21, 22, and they're going to have a bunch of teams. 19, 18, 16, 15. That's how they play.

That's how they play. But everything is really predicated on how aggressive is Halliburton. Yep. When he's aggressive, they're a different team. Sometimes he becomes too passive. He doesn't look to get his shot. He doesn't look to get all the way down the hill. He's looking to start and distribute.

No, you got to stay aggressive. When he stays aggressive, they're a different team. See how they were behind against Cleveland? Yeah. And then all of a sudden he got aggressive. He started shooting the Cleveland. Yeah. And then all of a sudden he got aggressive. He started shooting the ball. Yeah. I think Halliburton is the key.

And the other guys around him, the Siakams, the Turners, those guys can explode at any given night. I think Halliburton definitely has to come out and be aggressive against Bronson, man. This is going to be must-watch TV, guys. You know, these dudes, they've competed, they've been doubted the whole year.

We already know what Halliburton's been going through as far as being the most, what, overrated player in the... Yeah, yeah. So he's playing for something. And he's been showing up. And I'm expecting this series

to go no different. You know, a drag-out fight, two teams, just being relentless amongst each other. And, man, I just think it's going to come down to home court advantage, Uncle Ocho. Yeah. I think they'll probably start. Mikael Bridges will start on Halliburton.

Do you think so? OG will start on Siakam. Ooh. Yeah.am. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. That's going to be nice. When that series start again?

Tuesday. Tuesday. Tuesday. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's how they started. I mean, I think Evan Turner. Evan Turner. Then I think Josh Hart will probably take,

he'll take either Nimhard or Neesmith. Right. Right. Man, those are some good matchups, bro. Yeah. Oh, for sure. For sure. It may not be the prettiest basketball,

but you're talking about some dudes competing at the highest level. Yeah. And then Brunson will take Nimhard or Neesmith. OG is going to take Siakam. Obviously, Cat and Miles Turner. I believe they start, I believe, Mikael Bridges because he's long and will take Halliburton. Right.

And then you can match Hart and Brunson, okay, Neesmith, Nemhard, go from there. But I don't think they start Brunson. I don't think they start Brunson or Halliburton. What you thinking, Joe? No, they're not. They probably going to start him on Nemhard or… Neesmith.

Neesmith. Yeah, you're right. Because what you don't want is for Halliburton to get comfortable. So they don't have to keep somebody long-rangey on them, pesky. Somebody challenge them shots. That can pick him up in 94 feet. Yeah. Yeah.

This is going to be a fun one, man. This is going to be a fun one. I know we talk about the Knicks making it to the finals, but time and time again, the Pacers have put themselves in position to be successful. So they've been pulling out wins that I didn't think they could get. So it's hard for me to go against the grain with these dudes, man. They've been just like New York.

They've been gritty the whole season. And it's not going to stop now. Like, it's just going to continue. So I'm looking forward to a good one. New York is moving to the Eastern Conference Finals. 119-81 over the Boston Celtics. They will face the Indiana Pacers, who dispatched the number one seed in the Eastern Conference

in five games, the Cleveland Cavaliers. Jimmy Butler says it's really refreshing to be Steph Curry's sidekick on the Warriors. To come here and know I'm second to Steph is a really good thing. To be his sidekick is really refreshing to be Steph Curry's sidekick on the Warriors to come here and know I'm second to Steph. It's a really good thing to be his sidekick. It's really refreshing. I don't know if I've ever heard somebody that used to be in the number one all of a sudden happy with being number two. The expectation doesn't change because you do realize, Jimmy, they got you there because you're supposed to be the piece to get them over the hump.

Right, right. He's played this role before, though. He played with D-Rose. He knows what it's like to be the piece to get them over the hump. Right, right. He's played this role before, though. He's played with D-Rose. He knows what it's like to be Robin. He knows what it's like to be, you know, a sidekick to some degree. He's kind of like that when he was in Philly with Embiid. Yeah, yeah. But it all started in Chicago.

You know, Jimmy had a different route in coming to the NBA. You know, he sat on the bench the first few years. Yeah. So when he finally got his chance, bro, he embraced it. He took advantage of the moment, and he never looked back. So he understands his role playing with Steph, and he knows what's going to make them successful after Ocho. So I think that's why he's trying to star in this Robin role as much as he can, especially if it's going to make them successful, Arkin Ocho. So I think that's why he's trying to star in this robbing role as much as he can,

especially if it's going to help them be successful. Well, he didn't start, but he didn't do very well. Maybe he'll get off to a better start next year. Because against the Timberwolves, he had that one game, and that was it. That was it, Joe. That's because Arkin Ocho, we won Jimmy the scope 40 and 50 points. But he was without Steph Curry. So, you know, it was tough.

The onus was on him throughout the whole game. I know he got paid big money, but he wasn't going to be able to beat them Timberwolves by himself, man. No, we just wanted to give us game. That way maybe we get Steph back for game six. That's all we wanted. And look, if I'm being honest, he looked like he'd been hobbled ever since he took that tough spill against Houston.

He don't look like he'd been right. The way he moved out there, the way he did football, it all looks a little unorthodox to me. He didn't look like he was moving well. Yeah. What you thinking, Ocho? I mean, listen, I can understand what Jimmy was coming from about being the Robin, you know, to Steph Curry being Batman. Because I took that same approach.

Remember, hell, I stood on the table with Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis in that 2010 season. I'm like, man, listen, during the offseason, hey, Coach, coach, hey, Mike, we need to go get T.O. We need to go get T.O. Now, you can understand what I've done for Cincinnati during that time, during that tenure, you know, and going into year 10, I'm like, we need someone like this to get us over the hump. We're talking about one of the greatest players of all time. And Mike and I told Mike Brown and Marv, I said, I have no problem taking my backseat to who I know with my own two eyes is better than me in every statistical category. Bring him in here.

Let's see if we can get him to help us out. I have no problem being Robin. So I can understand where Jimmy's coming from in a sense and taking that backseat where the onus is really not on you to have to do all the work. Obviously, football is a little different because it's an 11-man game, but I get it. I get it.

Yeah. Look, Steph makes it easy for everybody because the floor is more spaced, there's more attention, eyes on him, and there's less eyes on the other four individuals. And so, God, he makes it easy for a lot of other people. That's what happens when you play with a great player, especially the greater the player, the historically great players,

the greater the player, the more attention they, they draw less attention you get. And so now that's why you hear all about it. Man, it's so easy playing with great players. Yeah. Cause they make your job easier.

Cause now you're not the focal point. They are. Right. Right. Death is always going to probably get the best defender. And guess what? Y'all going to try to bliss him. Y is always going to probably get the best defender. And guess what? Y'all going to try to blitz him. Y'all going to try to trap him, try to get the ball out of his hands.

He's going to swing. He's going to always do the right thing, make the right play. Now you're scrambling, trying to get back. Playing four against three. Because he's always going to have two on the ball when he got it. Or you're playing four against four. The he's always going to have two on the ball when he got it. Or you're playing four against four. The court is so spaced and open. And they missed that against the T-Wolves.

You know, he's a game changer, man. He's a guy who can explode for 40, 50 points. You know, he's probably going to have at least one or two of them in that series. So, without him, it was hard for me to see the Warriors getting past him. And that's the thing. When you look at it, I don't know if it gets any easier because as Steph gets older,

the West gets tougher. There's a possibility Giannis comes to the West. There's a possibility, you know, the Lakers make a move. The Clippers can make a move. There's so much going. I mean, that's why you have you know, the Lakers make a move. The Clippers can make a move. There's so much going on. I mean, that's why you have to really seize the moment in the moment.

Oh, next year, man, hey, we get another year with Jimmy on our belt. Bro, that ain't no guarantee. No, it's not. Ain't no guarantee, Ocho. Man, the Rockets mess around and make a trade, and they get Giannis. They get another piece. Boom. The Clippers. Maybe they move something.

The Lakers. Maybe they trade Austin Reeves and get a true big. Ain't no guarantees, man. That's why you have to take advantage of it in that situation. That's why I say Boston, you know, Boston won the championship. Oh, man, they're going to be loaded for years. Look, and just like that. Jason Tatum gone for a year.

Jason Tatum not playing next year. Yeah. No. He's not playing next year. If I'm not mistaken, Kevin Durant missed two seasons. Damn. Yes, it's definitely unfortunate, man. He missed 18 months.

He got hurt in June. The season started in October. He didn't play. Then they came back. He didn't start to play. They end up going to in October. He didn't play. Then they came back. He didn't start to play. They end up going to the bubble. He didn't play. So this is not an injury.

You know, ACL, you see guys come back in seven months, eight months. Absolutely not. Ain't happy with no Achilles. Yeah, it takes time. It takes a lot of time because guess what? You're not work-bearing for six to eight weeks. Yeah, it takes time. It takes a lot of time because guess what? You're not weight-bearing for six to eight weeks. Then you got to build that calf all the way

back up. And there's a really high rate of re-tears in Achilles. So you have to be extremely cautious. And I know JT's going to do everything he possibly can to come back. He's young enough to come back. Look at KD. KD looked just as good, if not better,

after the Achilles injury than he did before. KD didn't miss a beat. And KD got that little thin frame, though. Yeah. That frame, he got to make a huge difference. I mean, JT just got wide shoulders. JT ain't no size. I mean, when you look at him, look how he got to be.

He going to be all right, Joe. He going to be all right. But like I said, take air on the side of caution. You got another 10 years ahead of you, J.T. Air on the side of caution. I know the athlete in you, the champion in you, don't want to get back. But hey, don't even chance it, bro.

Don't even chance it. Steve Kerr was asked about the Warriors' offensive system and said, this is our solar system. Steph Curry is the son. Steph is one of the all-time great players playing at the peak of his powers. Close to it. How many more years?

Steph is, what, 37? 36, 37? How many more of these years do you believe we have with Steph, Joe? I think Steph can play into his 40s. Now, what type of basketball are we talking about? I think I don't want to see him as the focal point, maybe go team up with some guys that can take some pressure off of him. But if he's not the main guy to where you have to focus on, oh, yeah,

I think he can play well until his 40s, Uncle Ocho, because, I mean, he a shooter, shooter, shoot. Right. Yeah. I think the problem is going to be is having to guard these little dudes that's coming into the NBA or that's already here. You know, as you age, it get a little, it get tougher and tougher. And you heard Gigi Jackson say on the scouting report, oh, we got a pigeon.

Don't let him fly. Don't let him get away. I mean, who would you, who would you get, right? Where Steph doesn't have to touch the bar. I mean, obviously Draymond sometimes, you know... Yeah, Draymond is really the point goal. He might bring the point sometimes. But how long

can Steph keep up with the running over and over and over and over and over the way he does? I mean, he should be able to... Being that his game is not... He doesn't bang as much, you know. Well, he's not playing above the rim.

He's not playing above the rim. It doesn't require him putting his body on somebody, playing with his back to the basket, so you can bang on him, or he's banging on you. That's not what he does. He might be able to play past 40 then, if that's the case. Oh, yeah, I can see him playing another four years, four or five years. I would not be surprised if he played into his 40s.

Not just 40s. He's 38. He's 37. When will he be 38? Probably this year. Yeah. You think he'll finish off in... Oh, he just turned 37 in March. You think he'll finish his career in Golden State? You think 37 in March. He'll finish his career in

Golden State? You think he'll go somewhere else or finish his career in Golden State? I think he's going to be a Kobe. I think he's going to put you know, if a Dirk, you know, Dirk put all 20 there. Kobe spent all 20 there.

I don't know. I don't know. It all depends. It all depends. It all depends on how much. It's not like Golden State is not going to try to surround him with talent. Because we know that. They gone out and got Kevin Durant. We see them go out and get Jimmy Butler.

So, Gruber and Lakeham, they don't have a problem. They've been in the luxury tag, they've been in the repeater, and so they'll do whatever it takes in order to win a championship. The question is, if and when Steph will ever feel that he doesn't have a legitimate chance of winning a championship in Golden State, then will he be willing to say, you know what, I need to move on, or does he just walk away?

Yeah. Well, at what point will Steph feel how Giannis feels in Milwaukee right now? But if he has owners that's willing to do what's necessary to continue to put the pieces around him to make sure you have a chance at continuing each year, then he probably can finish his career there in Golden State. They got some pieces. I mean, think about it. They got Kaminga. They got Moody.

They got some draft capital. I don't know if they have the same because they had to trade some of it to get Jimmy Butler. They maybe gave up a first-round pick in the Wiggins to get Butler. But you still got Kaminga. You got Moody. Yeah.

I think he'll probably stick around i think they're gonna use some of those young guys they got and some good trade baiting over there and try to bring in some more help to help their veteran group because you just signed jimmy to a two-year yeah two a two-year deal yep it was it was a nice, healthy one. You know, you got him, you got Jimmy, Draymond, Steph. If you could add probably another some form of veteran help

to some degree, yeah, I think they could still make another run at it. But for the most part, I don't know, man. I can see him playing somewhere else. How many more peak years do you think he got? You think he can still play at the level that he's playing at until his 40s, or do we start to see some of that dissipate?

Oh, man. It definitely wouldn't be the shot that dissipates. Well. Well, as you get older, the first thing to go is your legs. Your legs? Yeah. That's real hot. well as you get older the first thing to go is your legs your legs yeah that's real will he be able to continue to run at that pace create the

separation right cause they still gonna scream hell at you hey look he been doing a lot of running for these past few years, man. So it's going to catch up with you at some point. Look, that hamstring, hey, let him know.

You know, all the time it's undefeated, but I think he definitely still has, you know, at least three to four more years left with good basketball in him. I just don't want to see all the pressure on him. You know what I mean? He needs some help. Maybe he ain't the leading scorer on the team, but he probably can be, you know, obviously

one of your most important pieces, but I guess only time will tell. Joe, where do you have Steph ranked all time? Top five, top ten? As far as guards? Or you just saying overall? Well, that's tough. I'll probably for sure put him in the top ten.

I can see that. You got him in the top five or top ten? No, I don't got him in the top five. I think I got him in the top ten. top 10 um Bron Jordan Kareem Magic Wilt for me and then that's my top 5

10 oh whoo Kobe did you say Duncan Duncan um whoo Did you say Duncan? Duncan. I might put Duncan at six, Kobe at seven. But either way, just before this, we're talking about top ten.

Kobe, Duncan, definitely in the top ten for me. Yeah, I'll go Steph. Yeah. Steph, Birdshack. Okay, I can see that. Because Steph, he has changed the game. Yeah. Yes.

He's iconic. Yes. He got these young dudes shooting from half court, one step across half now. They wasn't doing that. They wasn't doing that when I came out of school in 2000. You know, it's been a lot different. So I definitely give him that, man.

He changed the game, the way we play the game. Obviously, playing with the Warriors, playing that small ball, he has, you know, put his mark on the game for sure. Yeah. I mean, theoretically, you could make a case that Duncan is a top five. Yeah, I know. I think Kareem and Duncan are the most underappreciated players, great players, and I think it's because they're big. Because, you know, first of all, Kareem was surly.

Right. And he changed his name when it was very unpopular. You have to realize what was going on in the 60s and the 70s. Yeah. So he wasn't the most popular player. Tim Duncan didn't say anything. Can you remember anything in his 19-year career that he said that you were like, man, y'all remember when tim said this you can't listen i had the pleasure to play against two of those

spurs teams and oh three we had stefan miles playing with the phoenix suns we had stefan marbury as the one he was playing the point guards me steph penny uh sean marion and amari stoudemire was just a rookie yeah he was just a rookie we was an 8 seed we played against the Spurs who was a 1 seed and we won game 1 after that it was a gentleman's sweep but Tim Duncan was so special

bro like he was special man nothing exciting about his game he just got it done every night you look at that sheet 28-15, 32-17. But you like, he ain't gonna wow you. You know, he just gonna get the job done.

Mr. Fundamental. That's it. Bray shot your ass to death. Right. And that's why I think people kind of underestimate his career and how his went. Yeah. And Kareem, what did Kareem do know, his career and how it went. Yeah.

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Nobody else has been able to perspective. But it's boring, you know, nobody even try to throw the sky hook. Unless the shot clock running down, they just try to heave it up. Hey, that's a tough shot, man. You got to be in the gym working on that to be throwing that sky hook. Magic, you got to throw that sky hook too. Yo, Magic did the baby sky against the Celtics. And that's the thing.

I think those are two of the most underrated because you look at Kareem. He has six MVPs, six. Led the league in scoring, led the league in rebounding, led the league in block shots. He's a 15-time All-NBA selection, 11-time All-Defensive selection, a 19-time All-Star. He was the all-time All-NBA selection, 11-time All-Defensive selection, a 19-time All-Star. He was the all-time leading scorer in NBA history. He's the third leading rebounder in NBA history.

People don't talk about Kareem. Look at Duncan. Five championships, could have easily had six if Ray Allen didn't hit the most unbelievable shot in a pressurized moment in NBA history. Man. He's a defensive player. Didn't Timmy win the defensive player of the year? I know he's a three-time finals MVP

and a two-time MVP. I don't know if he won defensive player of the year, but he's an all-defensive player. Yeah, he a bad boy, man. 15-time all-defensive player. 15-time all-NBA. 15-time all-Defensive player. 15-time All-NBA. 15-time All-Star. Yeah.

And people look at him like he's Fettuccine. Right. And nobody, I mean, has anybody ever won? I mean, hasn't he won like 1,000 games? He won like 1,000 games. Yeah. I don't think he ever won less than 50. Yeah,

Pop had that well-oiled engine over there, boy. Pop had it going for years. Hey, okay, Ocho, if y'all remember,

you know, back when they got Duncan, David Robinson was still there. Yeah, but I think he had got hurt the year before or something. They had that,

they had that subpar season. Yeah. But they were, they were a great team, but I think they had a major injury and that's how they got the number one pick and it happened to be Tim Duncan.

It just took them over the top. Yeah, Tim Duncan, he won more games than anybody in NBA history, right? He's won 1,001 games. 1,001. If a guy played 20 years, he won 1,001 games. 1,001. So if a guy played 20 years, he would need to win 50 games. Regular season. That's just regular season.

He would play 20 years and win 50 games every year to get to 1,000. He didn't get postseason as well. Oh, no. I didn't count his postseason wins. He got five championships, three MVPs, three finals MVPs, two regular season MVPs.

Yeah, a lot of these records ain't gonna never be broken, man. Nah. All them records LeBron said every time he scores a record, there ain't nobody catching that. You don't think nobody catch LeBron? Especially now that the game has changed?

Nah. It's more free flow. I don't know if they're going to be able to play long enough, Ocho. You got to thank the Ocho. You said if he stopped now, he's still playing. He's still adding that. You're right. When Tom broke the record, he's like, man,

I don't know if anybody's going to break this record. And then he plays another three years. I can really see LeBron playing at least, at bare minimum, two more years. Hey, look, it ain't even just the longevity. It's just how impressive he's doing it. He's still scoring 24 and a half points a game. At 40, Ocho, like, man, listen. That's crazy.

And I think, you know, Luka makes it a little bit more easy because now he doesn't have to ball as much. Yeah. That's crazy. If they get another special piece, them Lakers get it. The Lakers need to be big.

They're going to be nice. Because them Timberwolves ain't going nowhere, baby. Nah. OKC's not going anywhere either. Houston's up and coming. they're going to be nice. Because them Timberwolves ain't going nowhere, baby. Nah. Nah. OKC's not going anywhere either. Houston's up and coming. They got the pieces to make a move

to go get somebody impressive. Right. The Clippers, I don't know if they have the draft capital. I mean, really, the only player that's I mean, you want to do

everything you can to keep Harden and Kawhi and the big Zubats. So I don't know if they have the pieces to go get somebody else to aid them. Yeah, but a lot of these records, like, they're not – I mean, LeBron, theoretically – how many points does he have? Like 42,000, 41,000? I mean, theoretically, he can retire with 43,000 points. He got 42,000. So, theoretically, he could have 40.

If he plays two more years, he'll have 44,000. Man. 44,000 points. That's crazy, man. Never going to be. Ain't nobody catching that, bro. They not catching that. I mean, and what?

He could easily be first-team All-NBA. So that'll be a 14-time first-team All-NBA selection. He's going to make one of the teams, one through three. So now he'll be a 21-time All-NBA selection. He's a 21-time All-Star. What, five-time All-NBA, four-time, what, five or six-time All-NBA, four or five, first-team All-NBA

selection. Four MVPs, four Finals MVPs, three All-Star Game MVPs. That's the funny thing, and Joe, when you think about everything LeBron has accomplished, the pressures that won him when he came out of high school, the consistency and everything he was able to overcome, and being consistent year in and year out,

and all the accolades, his resume and his totality, and there's still people that have things negative to say about him when it comes to the game of basketball. At this point, you just have to make up something or he's done it all. What else can he do?

Comes with it, man. Comes with the territory. What the hell else can you do? Nothing. That's nothing. That's crazy. The 76ers are expected to listen to offers for the number three overall draft pick per the Athletic. It's expected that the Sixers will listen to offers for the number three, but it's unclear whom the team would take if it stays. Rutgers Bailey has been seen as the biggest upside swing, and he feels a theoretical position of need for the Philly as a big wing.

That means that possibly, I mean, are you going to move? We'll talk about that in a minute. But he also is viewed as more of a project scouting executive than the Sixers front office that likely need to win next year to keep their jobs. I've also gotten a wider sense of the appreciation of the front offices for the edge comb than Bailey. Are the Sixers, question is, are the Sixers a pick away or a trade away from being a contender?

You got Joel Embiid, you got PG, you got Tyrese Maxey. Is Bailey the piece that puts them over the hump? Let me tell you. Or do they need to swing that pick into a proven player? Man, I like Bailey. They'd be crazy not to draft Bailey with that third pick. Let me tell you, all these kids are projects. What do they mean?

Cooper Flagg is a project. Ain't no giving none of these dudes going to come into this league in the first year you banking on them to play significant minutes and turn you into a household franchise. No, it's

going to take time. Even if Dallas draft Cooper Flagg and they keep him with AD that's going to be a project as well. They all going to be projects project as well. Right. Like they all going to be projects, man, but they'll win.

I believe they'll win more because they got more solid quality players to start with. A lot of times when the guy goes number one overall, he's going to a team. They really got nothing to work with. I mean, like, like Ant man,

he went to, he went to, uh, he went to Minnesota. Damn. They had cat. Cat was in the one on the wrong draft pick. Right.

Cat had to suffer through all them years. We got the number one pick again. Now we got Ant-Man. Now we got something. That's kind of how it goes. You know what I mean? I like Ace Bale. I like his upside. Yes, he will be a project,

but I think in two to three years, he will for sure be able to help Philly definitely do something. So, I mean, they don't have nothing in the draft, right? You think about it, a team even willing or even thinking about listing the office for that third pick. So, there's nobody in this draft coming out this year that is similar to how Ant-Man was when he was at Georgia. Nothing like that.

Mm-mm. And that's like, or LeBron or Wimby or Zion. You're like, can't miss. Can't miss. The only thing, and I said this before,

I said the only thing that concerns me about Zion is his weight. Because he's a big young man. Yeah. Big young man turning to big old man. Big old man can't play sports. It's really that simple, Ocho. I think they don't. They might move him.

I've never got the sense, Joe, you can correct me if I'm wrong, it's interesting to hear what you think. I never really felt that Zion was happy about going. I think Zion would have preferred to be number three overall and go to New York than be number one overall and go to New Orleans. Yeah, I definitely agree. I think his run

in New Orleans is over, but I never felt his heart was there in playing because the only way you can show that you care is if you get your butt out there on the court. Get a fan something to see. For the most part, it's been non-existent. Now, when he do play...

Oh, he's unbelievable. He is amazing. I'm sure he want that New York market. I'm sure he wanted to go there. He would have. Oh, my God. Can you? Hey, you're right.

You're right, Joe. And, you know, it's like everybody's going to sign that rookie max extension. You'd be foolish not to. It's $150, $160 million. And you're coming out going into your third, you know, coming out of your third year. You'd be foolish not to sign it. But he was like, man, first chance I could get. You know, he liked one of them guys.

The guy was like, man, he's a really hard worker. When he shows up, now he works hard. We just can't get him to come all the time. You know, you've heard bosses say that about workers. Boy, you get him here now. He's going to work for you. He's just getting him here. When Zion's on the court, nobody can question Zion's ability.

It's just that more times than not, Ocho, he's probably missed more games than he's played games. And it's hard. The fans get frustrated. Front office get frustrated. Now all of a sudden people are questioning how serious are you taking it? You see you're not controlling your weight.

You're not disciplined like you need to be. Yeah. It's just, it's a tough sale. I think there's going to be a lot of moving pieces this summer in the NBA.

Meaning like, I do too. Some big guns. Yeah. I do too. I'm going to get moved around this summer. I love what a game is.

You know, these teams competing in the playoffs. We've been able to see some pretty good basketball. I know this a game is. You know, these teams competing in the playoffs, we've been able to see some pretty good basketball. I know the Celtics game tonight wasn't great, but for the most part, you know, everything's been competitive. It's been fun to watch. And then, ultimately, that's what you want, you know? Yeah, you know, they just got this new deal.

They're going to Amazon, NBC. So you're in the first year of this collective bargain new deal. What, $77 billion? Yeah. So I think you're going to have some pieces, too. I think there's going to be a lot of movement this offseason, a lot of movement. Yeah, I definitely do. I'm talking about some of our favorite ones.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if Philly moved Paul George. Or tried to. I wouldn't be surprised if Philly moved Embiid. I wouldn't either. Yeah. What? Maybe Embiid to the Lakers. You're talking about, you're saying they need to be.

What you think? Oh, yeah, but the thing is that what you want? You want Rui and Austin Reeves? Because you're not getting LeBron. LeBron has no trade, and you're not getting Luka. So what do you want, Austin Reeves and Rui? That's a good deal.

Yeah, they're going to have to take something, but it definitely won't be LeBron, Luka. Yeah, it won't be neither one of them because you want to pair them with them. Right. Yeah. Ooh. And that's, yeah,

that's, yeah, but I, I think there's going to be a lot of moving pieces. I, I, would I be surprised if the Pelicans moves Zion? No.

No. I think there's a 60, 70% chance they do. Yeah. I agree. I think soon, they probably working on it right now. Soon as the trade,

soon as the trade, uh, opened up. First thing's smart. And, and, and here's the thing. I'm not so sure either one will be disappointed.

Right. I don't think Zion will be disappointed if he traded. And I don't think the Pelicans front office will be traded. Wait a minute. Now, he might be disappointed depending on where he goes. He ain't going to be disappointed. You don't think so? I don't think he looks at anything as worse than where he currently is.

Right. Not just me talking. I don't know who he is, but I'm not talking to him. I don't think he views any place that he could potentially go in the NBA is worse than where he's currently at. Man, boy, New Orleans is beautiful, boy. Boy, New Orleans is that. Yeah, it is.

If you want to go sightsee, if you want to go eat. Even from a basketball standpoint, I mean, I view Zion as one of those players, generational talents that can change the game. He can change a franchise. He just hadn't been able to stay on the court. Okay. So how can he change it

off the court? Is he a martyr? He a civil? He a, he a, he a, he a activist? I mean,

so how you gonna change it? See, he ain't gonna change it nowhere else then. What's the difference? Hey, who knows? I mean mean sometimes you go to a chain of scenery and ocho you all of a sudden you feel you heal up like luke wolverine huh man you heal up and then guess what you ain't making that big you ain't no beignet you ain't no etouffee no bin, no jambalaya. Ocho, if you got to, first of all,

I think New Orleans or Memphis, one of them is like voted the fattest city in the USA. The fattest? Yeah. So you don't want to be, if I got an eating problem, Ocho, the last place I want to be is a place that have food, and I can get it anytime. No.

Everywhere got food. Everywhere ain't got no food like New Orleans. Stop it. I wonder how many, they probably got one vegan spot in New Orleans. Everything else is heavy cream, heavy sauce, lard.

Hey, some of the best cooking in the world come from down in New Orleans, man. Yes. Oh, my goodness.

And guess what? As soon as you eat it, you want to go lay down and go to sleep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want to,

I want to see him. I want to, I want to see Zion move too. I ain't gonna lie. I want to see him go. We might need to, we might need to get him down at a Miami with Pat Riley, Ocho.

Let him put their work on him. Okay, I'll make a call. There might be one person y'all might be able to get this summer. Y'all might be able to get him. Y'all might be able to trade that, Ocho. I mean, pair him with Bam and Tali Hero. Woo!

I like that. That'd be a nice front line. Him and Bam. I like that that'd be a nice front line I like him him and Bam I like it but I I'm honestly I like I like Giannis and Ja

I bet you I bet you do like Giannis hey hey I like I like to be honest with you I like

I like Giannis and Ja I bet you do like Giannis I'll kiss him yeah I ain't getting no Giannis and Ja bro I bet you do like Giannis. Yeah, I'm kissing him. Yeah, I ain't getting no Giannis and John, bro. I'm sorry, T. All right. Listen, I sat in the rooms.

I done been in the room, so I don't... Okay, Ocho, I got another hypothetical for y'all. I got one more hypothetical. Okay. Let's say we get Ant-Man and S.A.G. Shay next round.

Let's say OKC gone close, these boys out. Yeah, yeah, I can see that. The T-Wools and the Thunder next round. Who y'all got? Ooh, woo. God damn it. Hey, honestly,

I'm going with Ant. Who you going with? Hulk Ant. Yeah, I'm pulling for the home team. I just, honestly, I'm going with Ant. Who you going with? Punk Ant. Yeah, I'm pulling for the home team. Listen, if Ant-Man pulls this you-know-what off and get that goddamn trophy and that ring, man, I don't care if you don't want to be the face of the league. Boy, you better.

You going on. You finna be the NBA logo, nigga. Hey, look, and that's the thing that scares me, Arkin Ocho, because he don't want none of that. He don't want none of that. But sometimes when you chosen, you don't have a choice because the things that's going to be presented,

you know, as far as y'all making it, if y'all can make it to the finals and you do win a championship, man, listen, you can tell them folks all you want to. You don't want to be no face. Hey. Because he understands what comes along with the face. He don't

want to give up what he has going on now. As being the face, you can't do it. Some of the things that he does, every man like to be incognito. Yeah, because they're going to scrutinize you. Oh, yeah, for sure. Everything you do, they're going to attack you.

That's part of it. I think I read a quote today where George says he doesn't know if he could have played in the social media age. The Twitter and all that other stuff. Think about all of the stuff he got into, and we didn't even have that back then. You know what I mean?

They was catching him doing all these things. Man, nowadays, it's like- And people were happy to keep a secret that they saw George out in such and such place. Now, they ain't trying to keep no secret. They're trying to put you on blast. Yeah, phones out, phones out, flash out. Yeah, man, guess who I saw last night at like 3 o'clock in the morning?

Who? Man, you ain't gonna believe. Man, you ain't gonna believe this. Who do you think? Tell me! I tried to see. I hate when people do that. Hey, man, you ain't gonna guess

who I saw man bro I ain't ask you where you were you told me I'm not gonna guess who you saw so now who did you see you don't wanna guess I don't even wanna know no more man don't worry about it

thank you yeah that's the thing want to guess. I don't even want to know no more, man. Don't worry about it. Thank you. Yeah, that's the thing. And so now people can keep a secret back then. Yeah. Ain't nobody keeping no secret now. No, sir. They want to be the first one to tell. They want to be the 411.

They want to give you the info first. There you go. There you go. There you go. Hey, I'll be such and such. Who is that? Yeah. Now you trending. You going viral and you don't even know nothing about it.

Right. All the time the guys used to come into the city or they go to Nicky's or they go to HYMZ and you never knew about it. Man, it's hard to get somebody to go to the place of nine. go to HYMZ, and you never knew about it. Man, it's hard to get somebody to go to the place of nine. Somebody, man, I saw such and such. Bro, that man didn't ask you to tell that. Right.

As a matter of fact, he didn't want nobody to know. He told you. That's why he didn't take no picture with you, because he didn't want you to post it. Right. Mm-hmm. The Volume. You know what I'm saying? and then climb that mountain. You will never be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify. The thing that you refuse to say, hey, this is my mountain.

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