Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Lakers beat Timberwolves, Thunder beat Grizzlies & Pacers beat Bucks to go up 2-0!

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react Lakers beating the Timberwolves to even up the series 1-1, OKC beats Memphis to take a 2-0 lead & the Pacers go up 2-0 over the Bucks!06:23 - Lakers vs. Timberwolves23:21 - OKC vs. Grizzlies33:00 - Pacers vs. Bucks42:30 - NBA Overrated Players55:30 - Potential Cowboys trade59:44 - NFL higher-up critzies Sheduer Sanders(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Go get your tickets now. Bounce back. Not what I'm talking about. The Lakers beat the Minnesota Timberwolves 94-85. The series is now tied 1-1 as it shifts to Minnesota for the next two games. Luka was one assist short of a triple-double. 31-12-9. LeBron, 21-11-7. AR, 16-5-5.

Rui, 11-5. Got to balance effort. Oh, Joe, that's what we needed. I knew two of the big three had to go off. I'm saying big three, but I'm saying either Luka, LeBron, or AR, LeBron, knew two of the big three had to go off i mean i'm saying big three but i'm saying either luca lebron or ar lebron or luca they are but two of those guys had to have great days and we got that and then we got uh austin reeves with sensational light

and then uh dealing with the ball hey you get a big out there on him he dragged him every time yeah every time. Julius Randle played exceptionally well. So did that. Julius Randle was a man of, I mean, he's a load. He's a load. And I don't know why y'all let him get to that left hand because he's left hand dominant. And most left-handed players, what do they want to do, Ocho? Get to that

left hand. Every time. Every time. If in defense, as a football player, we're taught, never let a quarterback escape to his dominant hand. Yeah. So if he's right-handed, make him roll left. If he's left-handed, make him roll right. Well, and it's the same thing.

Try to make James Harden, try to make Julius Randle, make him go right. Keep him out of the way of that dominant hand. But this is what the Lakers needed. Had a little lull there in the fourth quarter, but they got it together. Made some big-time plays. I was happy to see LeBron rebound like this

because we hadn't seen him rebound like this in a while considering that groin, and we talked about it, Ocho. The one thing that you don't want to do is anything sudden when you got a soft tissue injury. He's nursing that back, trying to get it back, but he got a couple of days off now. So he should be fully rested and ready to go when they head to Minnesota.

The Lakers win 94-85. Series now tied 1-1 as it shifts back to the, what do they call it? Land of 10,000 lakes, Minnesota. Ocho, you watching this game? Tell me what you like about what you saw from the lake shoot the goddamn intensity they act like they wanted to play tonight uh they act like they wanted to be there there was intensity on both sides of the court most most importantly they play defense they play defense luca i'm gonna do what luca does lebron showed up tonight obviously

didn't have a good game one most of them didn't have a good game one outside of goddamn luca but they played good in transition offensive Offensively, crashing the boards. LeBron, obviously, he must be feeling much better because we haven't seen him rebound like this tonight all over the place. Outside of that, man, AR, they're a combination of players that need to play well tonight because of what they did in game one and not playing so well collectively as a group.

But AR showed up, Bron showed up,, Lucas showed up, and everybody else contributed in a small manner. So this is what you get. You get a tied series, but they got to keep this up, huh? They got to keep up that momentum and consistency that we saw tonight. If I'm not mistaken, I think the Lakers were shooting 61% at the half.

I could be wrong, but correct me if I'm right. They cooled off a little bit, but they were. Yeah, but man, that first half was beautiful. And to extend the game to the point where it was at the half and getting the lead that they did have, that low in the fourth quarter didn't hurt them much. No, I'm pulling up the box score, Ocho. Yeah.

Do you look at the difference in game one compared to game two for the T-Wolves? Right. Only two players in double figure. Remember who that? Jayden Daniels was damn near perfect from the three-point line. Nas Reed damn near perfect from the three-point line. Yeah.

So you had two guys that gave you exceptional play from the three-point line on the offensive end. Now, you only had two guys in double you exceptional play from the three-point line on the offensive end. Now you only had two guys in double figures. That's how you're going to win. And see, like I said, I don't believe Ant-Man by himself can beat you. But if you let him get eight, nine, ten assists, and you let you—now you in for it. Guys will make you shoot around threes.

You can't give them those shoot-around threes. You got to contest those shots. And I thought the Lakers did a great job of contesting, closing out to the body, not filing, Guys was making shoot-around threes. You can't give them those shoot-around threes. You got to contest those shots. And I thought the Lakers did a great job of contesting, closing out to the body, not filing, running them off the three-point line. But Nas Reed did not have an opportunity to shoot those shoot-around threes. McDaniels didn't have an opportunity to shoot those shots. Devin Chinzo was in foul trouble, and so he really didn't get an opportunity to get in the floor of the game,

although he just hit that shot before the end of the half. That was really all he did the other night. But in this game, this is what I like to see from the Lakers. They need a balance. I mean, they was okay still. I need a little bit more from the bench. I need a little bit more from the bench, especially going on the road, Ocho. Yeah, most definitely.

Especially going on the road. Listen, the fact the defense, defense. They were scrappy, yeahcho. Yeah, most definitely. Especially going on the road. Mm-hmm. Listen, the fact, the defense, huh? Defense. They were scrappy, yeah. Defense, defense. Them boys were scrappy tonight, boy.

You could tell they played different. They wanted it. They wanted it. You can just tell. I'm not sure what the difference is in game one and game two,

but this looked like a completely different team. Completely different team. Yeah, because you look at Mike Conley. You know, he had some big threes in game one, Ocho. He had zero points tonight. Got some great cardio in. He had 21 minutes of cardio.

Now, hey, that's pretty good. Continues running cardio, you know. Probably faster cardio, too. Nah, he ate a little something today. A couple of meals today. But Ant-Man was 10 of 22. He had 25.6 rebounds. The other night, he had nine assists. Tonight, he had none. You see? the other night he had 9 assists

tonight he had none you see I told you Ocho I said hey you can't let him get the others involved see what Luka hurts you is Luka go get 40

and then he gives you 12 LeBron he give you he give you 20 a Jokic those guys give you 20 30

and give you 11 12 assists. Not only are they getting theirs, they're helping somebody else eat also. Now, Ant-Man, he had 25, zero assists. LeBron, the other night, only had three assists. That's not nearly good enough. And LeBron is a smart enough player. He has a high enough IQ to realize,

I got to be able to impact the game in other ways other than scoring. So I need to rebound. I need to assist. If my jumper's not falling, if I can't get to the basket, I've got to impact the game

in other ways. Tonight was a, this is the kind of game I'm, 21 points, I mean, we know LeBron can get 21 points

anytime he wants to. But I thought the effort that he showed, the effort that he showed, the leadership that he showed, he and Luka combined for 52 with 23 rebounds and 16 assists. So you throw Austin Reeves in there, now you got what? Six, eight, 68 points between those three.

And you need something like that. You need about somewhere between like 65 and 75 between those, I'll take 80, but I ain't need about somewhere between like 65 and 75 between those. I'll take 80, but I ain't going to be greedy. 65 to 75. And then you get Rui doing, give you a little something. And if Finney Smith and Gabe Benson

can give you anything, you'll take that also. Luka, 31.12 rebounds, nine assists. The first Laker since Magic with those numbers in a playoff game. Hey, boy, that boy nice, man. Every time he puts up a performance like this,

this game. Don't you say it, Ocho. Don't you say nothing about it. I don't want to hear you say Dallas or Mavericks. Okay, okay, okay. I was going to say or Deacon or Harrison. Okay. It just makes sense. It makes sense to make look some of the things he's saying,

understanding that he has to fall on the sword, it just makes him look ridiculous. Every game they play, it looks worse and worse. So, I mean, I'll leave it alone. I ain't going to say nothing. I ain't going to say nothing. I get it. I get it.

It is tough. It's tough. Like I said, I mean, you look at a guy like this, he's 26 years of age, Ocho. He can do it all. He can score. He can rebound. He can facilitate. He I said, I mean, you look at a guy like this. He's 26 years of age, Ocho. He can do it all. He can score. He can rebound. He can facilitate.

He can make, you know, look. Except he's going to argue damn near every play. Except that he's not going to be, he's not an exceptional defender. All we ask him to do is don't get beat on the initial push. Hey, he tried to beat you on the first go? Right. Shut that off. Mm-hmm.

Just don't give, hey, just don't give him a free reign. Just don't give him a free run to the basket. Yeah. Make him go to the second. That's all we ask. That's all you can ask for. Because you know what he's going to give you offensively. Every time.

Offensively, excuse me. You already know that, don't you? Every time. So, I'm not worried about him on the offensive end. It's just that you try to put – and that's what they normally do. Unless you were Jordan or Colby LeBron back in his heyday. Yeah. You put your best offensive player on your worst defensive player.

I want you to save some of that. I don't want you exerting all that energy trying to stop him. We'll put somebody else on him. Yeah. So we need that for offense. Because that's what, you know, Larry played the worst defender because Larry Bird was an offensive player. And I

get it. I ain't got no problem with that whatsoever. But this was a great performance. The Lakers needed this. The crowd was really energized. I'm glad I didn't go to that Saturday night game. Because I'd have been pissed off. I'd have been out of my money.

Yeah. I'd have had to stay two extra nights. Nah. You would have been mad. You would have been mad. So, hold on. Hold you to spend that count up.

You're talking about spending 25 for a ticket? Yeah. Okay. Now you got to spend an extra, you know ticket? Yeah. Okay, now you got to spend an extra, you know, two nights at the hotel and you got to get

a car service to wait for you. Yeah. Huh? And I got to pay for Jordan to stay because Jordan, Jordan got to do.

Nah, hell nah, we coming back, we coming home. So, what we looking like right now? What we looking like?

It's still Lakers in five? I mean, what, what we talking about? Okay. All right. All right. I know you're feeling good. I know you're feeling good.

Wait, y'all ain't that bad, chat. Y'all were talking crazy. Y'all were talking about, I don't know about that. T-Wood was in five. Hey, all we did have was a temporary setback for a major comeback. That's all we had on Joe. A little temporary setback for a major comeback. But I like the pace in which they played.

I like the tempo. I like the guys hustling. I saw guys hitting the floor. I got guys running guys off the line. I got the tempo. I like the guys hustling. I saw guys hitting the floor. I got guys running guys off the line. I got guys helping. Hey, I got guys going the extra mile. Hey, I can... There's nothing wrong with losing.

Somebody's going to lose. But just give me the effort. If we lose and you give me that effort, Ojo, you can live with that. Every time. I can live with it. I can live with that. But not game one. You can't live with that. Every time. I can live with it. I can live with that. But not game one.

You can't live with that. No, no, no, no, no. You should have been ready to play. Because normally game one is the easiest game to steal for the road team. Normally the game one

is the easiest because you're going to catch them napping because the home team is generally counting on the crowd to get them going or to keep them going.

So now, if we can jump on your ass, get that crowd out the game, now what? And before you know it, you're like, damn, we down 20. We down 25. And it takes so much for you to get back into the game by the time you try to get over that hump. Yeah.

You done ran out of time too. Yeah. But I like this this I thought JJ did a great job of getting the guys he said I heard him at his press conference

they had as good a practice over the last couple of days they've had in the last month he took full accountability now one thing about JJ now he's going to take

accountability oh yeah I probably could have thrown a few more scrimmages up in there this on me and the funny thing apart when you think about I probably could have thrown a few more scrimmages up in there. This me, this on me. And the funny thing apart, when you think about it,

whoever made the comments about them not scrimmaging enough before the game one, I guarantee that was the player's call. I guarantee it was the player's call and allowing them

to rest a little bit. And J.D. took the brunt of that. You know what? That's on me. That's on me. And I guarantee you, I know it was the player's call, not the scrimmage

as much so we have fresh legs and we feel good going into game one but the effort they put up in game one is a reflection that'll get you beat every time that'll get you sent home that'll get you like oh we didn't play our best ball

look they're not an extreme they're not like Boston they're not like extreme. They're not like Boston. They're not like OKC. Those are deep teams. Bench and all. You're looking at the Cavs. Those are deep teams.

That's not what the Lakers are. The Lakers are heavily dependent on three players, Luka, Reeves, and Braun. We understand that. Anything we get outside of that, we greatly appreciate and we will humbly accept. But you can't go in counting on, man, you know,

hey, we will get like 16 from Finney. We'll get like 10 to 14 from Gabe. Jackson Hayes gonna give us a double. No. Yeah. The big three has to be 65, 80 points who of the three needs to be kind of efficient

but it was a great game tonight Lakers played this is what I expect to see from the Lakers and we can go into Minnesota land the 10,000 lakes we're going to pee in the lakes of 10,000 lakes we gonna pee in the lakes

all 10,000 of them maybe we go out there and take a plunge in Lake Minnetonka hey what do you think the weather is in Minnesota right now it's close to Green Bay, so hell,

it might be in the 40s or the 50s, Ochoa. Oh, that's perfect weather there, too. Boy, you ever swam in 40s? Listen, if we can get in the cold tub, we can get in the lake, 40, 50, ain't nothing wrong with that.

No. Mm-mm. No, I don't know. It's one thing to be sitting in a cold tub, but to be in the cold water? Yeah. I mean, it didn't bother me because when I was at State, a lot of time, the hot water would go out.

And so you knew exactly when the hot water would go out because somebody, damn. Loud, yep. Because, you know, we had community showers until we had no showers in our room. Right, right. We had community showers. Man, all you heard was, man, damn, there's hot new water. I remember growing up at grandma's house, man. If you're in the shower, the first thing you say before you get in the shower is,

do not flush the toilet because if you flush the toilet, it's going to make the water cold. Lo and behold, they wait till you get in the shower and want to play games. Go on and flush the toilet. Hey, Joe, we ain't have that problem. No? Mm-mm. We ain't no shower in the house. We ain't no flushing the toilet.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. The Thunder take a commanding 2-0 lead over the Grizzlies. SGA, 27-8-5. J-Dub, 24-6-5. Chet, 20-11-5 block. The Thunder have had the lead for all but for three minutes and two seconds of the 96 minutes over the first two games. They've done it despite SGA scoring only 42 points on 14 of 42 shooting and going four of 17 from three.

Tonight, I thought it was J-Dub that really sparked them. He and Chet got it going early. For whatever reason, SGA has struggled with his shot a little bit, Ocho. He hasn't been to SGA because he shot over 50% from the floor. He's got 42 points scored, but he took in 42 shots to get it. Yeah. Yeah, he wasn't efficient tonight. No, he wasn't efficient the first game either.

And they beat him by 51. No, they beat him by what? 18, 19 tonight. And he still hadn't played his best game. Hey, that's scary. It's just a matter of time. Yeah, it is. He's going to be on some of the greats.

Most of the greats, they always have games like this, but they'll make you forget about it. They'll make you forget about it, and probably going into game three, he's probably going to show up and really close this thing out. I even tweeted, obviously, the blowout by 51 in the first game, and I'm thinking to myself, in Ja Morant, understanding how great a player he is,

how good he can be, how explosive he can be. I tweeted, can the Grizzlies pull this and make it a seven-game series? Is there any chance? No. And Twitter jumped on my head like, man, this is over. Bring the booms out.

Yeah. And then, obviously, I i'm thinking and i'm seeing the tweets and and i saw the comparison about sg and john marant and how they say every year you see improvement in sga's game and then john marant they say they don't see improvement in him on the court and i'm and i'm curious for those who analyze the game of basketball and watch it that close how do you say something like that with an individual who doesn't have much help around him? He is the force. He is the Memphis Grizzlies.

So how can you say he's not improving year after year? They got an all-star defensive player of the year in Jaron Jackson who hadn't played well. Desmond Bain. Yeah. But, I mean, they got rid of Big Adams and they got Zach Eady. Zach Eady. But this is the way their team is constructed. This is the way their team is constructed, don't you know?

A lot of it has to do with – a lot of it is Jod's own doing. You know, he had to get the suspensions, two of those. He's been injured a lot. So, you know, it's hard to get better when you're rehabbing. Because you're rehabbing, you just try to get back to the point. As opposed to when you train, you try to get better. See, rehab try to get you back to your original state. Well, getting me back to my original state doesn't improve me.

Right. I need improvement, so I need to train. Okay, I got you. I got you. I got you. I got I need improvement, so I need to train. Okay, I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. Yeah, so that's the thing. I mean, think about it.

He had the shoulder. He's been dealing with some stuff. So hopefully he can come out of this season healthy, and he can just take him a month off, get back in the gym, and be the Jock. Look, Jock's supposed to be an all-star. Now, it's not easy because you're in the West. Steph, Shea, Harden.

You got Jamal Murray. You had Fox, De'Aaron Fox. You got Luka. So it's not easy to make it as a guard in the West. Yeah, but you got to understand, this will be his last time being in the West. So he's going to be an all-star because he's going to be in the East next year. Where are you going? Huh. Where are you going? Huh?

Where are you going? Oh, come on over down here to Tootsies with your boy. Yeah, you're going to be right down here in South Beach with your boy. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I know y'all going to see this, babe.

We got you, baby, right here in the 305 now. Yes, sir. Listen, I love Memphis. I love Memphis. No disrespect to them. I know they have a series to play right now. But come on home.

John, come on home. The Oklahoma City Thunder has now won six games against Memphis this season by a combined 145 points. That's a 24.2 point differential. It's not fair, though, Unc. It's not fair. The startingc. It's not fair. The starting five is strong. The bench is strong.

They deep. If Jay ain't not on, he go shit, acting a fool. There's always somebody to counter if someone else isn't playing well. As opposed to Memphis, okay, Ja got to be on. If Ja not on, okay, Desmond Bain,

we going to carry us. Okay, if Desmond Bain don't on, now where I'm getting a production from? Right. You're right. Okay,

see, deep. You got Zell Joe, you got Wiggins, you got Caruso, you got Lou Dort chipping in. I mean,

you got some guys that play extremely well. They play extremely well. And when, like I mean, you got some guys that play extremely well. They play extremely well. Like I said, the thing is, SGA hadn't been on, and they're still winning these games. I mean, think about it. They won by 51, and I think they won by

19 tonight. So that's 35 points that they won by in two games. It's exactly 35 points because they won by 70 games with the second most over the first two games because I think the L they won by in two games. It's exactly 35 points because they won by 70 games, which is second most over the first two games because I think the Lakers won by 74. So, yeah. Man, that's crazy.

That's crazy. So, but they play, look, we know what the Thunder represent. In that building, they've always been tough in that building. The crowd is the only show in town, though, Joe. Yeah. There ain't no other pro teams. You know, you got college, and ain't nothing going on.

I mean, you close to Norman, you know, Okie State and stuff like that, but ain't nothing else going on. So they're rabid about their basketball. Mm-hmm. And rightfully so. They've had some, you know, shade has blossomed. Because can you imagine when they had Russ,

and they had Harden, and they had KD, they had Ibaka, they had Schroeder. They were loaded. And then, you know, obviously KD left, and Serge left,

and James Harden left, where James Harden was the first to leave. You know, oh, they had, no, excuse me, they had Reggie Jackson. That's what I meant to say, Reggie Jackson. Reggie. Hey, Reggie played with the Clippers too, right?

He played with the Clippers? Yes. Where Reggie at now? I don't know if he's in the league. Last year he played with the Nuggets, I think. Okay. I think he played with the Nuggets, I think. Okay. I think he played with the Nuggets last year. But,

it was, they had it rolling. And now that they're rolling again with SGA and, you know, J-Dub, you got Chet, you got Hardenstein. Mm-hmm.

Guys understand their role. They do their role to the max, to the fullest. Right. It's a good team. this is a good team this is a good team now don't get me wrong you know but I still got them got them

tell nobody I want you wait say it again say it again say it again I hear you Lakers in five alright be careful now listen you know it's they need to be careful Lakers in five? All right. Be careful now. Listen, you know, it's much more. They need to be careful.

Oh, oh, oh, oh. It's much more difficult to win in Minnesota. Playing away, that's a different ballgame. It is. It is. It's a different ballgame. We ain't talking about the Thunder. Okay.

It ain't something. We ain't got no thunderstorm, so we ain't worried about the Thunder right now. We focus. We tunnel vision. We focus on Minnesota. See, y'all got to get past Minnesota first. That's who we focus on. How many games in Minnesota?

Two or three? Two. Well, it's three total, but we're going to take two of these. You come back home, and you go back. Mm-mm. We ain't going back. Our job is once we come home, not to return. Oh, so basically what you telling me, and basically what you telling me, Our job is once we come home Not to return Oh so you

So basically what you tell Basically what you telling me Basically what you telling me You telling the chat The Lakers gonna win The next two games In Minnesota That's our goal

Oh that's your goal But you don't sound Very confident I definitely I definitely I know we getting Game three For sure

Okay Once we get game three Might as well get sweet steaks. Hey, Ocho, you going to the store? Hey, Ocho, grab me a pack of Benson Hedges. Yeah. You going to the store? Wait, did you say Benson Hedges? Yeah.

What you know about Benson Hedges, man? Hey, that's so throwback. I think my grandma used to smoke them, man. It was the white with the green, with the green at the top, right? Yeah. Yeah, man. She used to send me to the store to get them things for back in the day. That's crazy.

Benson Hedges, I ain't heard that in years. Man, I don't know nobody smoke those. I mean, people don't smoke. Maybe they do. But I don't see as many people smoking as it did when I was a kid. Because, you know, you can smoke in restaurants. Everywhere. On the plane.

You got a smoking section. Yeah, you can smoke on the plane. I'm going to have to remember you can smoke on the plane. Yeah. It's different. I'm glad they cut that bull jive out. No, they need to bring that back. But you know about them Paul Mall and them Winston, them Salem,

them Virginia Slims? Yeah, I don't know nothing about that. I know about them damn Benson and Hedges because Grandma used to send me to Listen, I never forget. Grandma used to send me to the corner store, 45th and 10th Avenue. No, 45th and 12th. Right. Right there to get them Benson and Hedges.

I never forget. Never forget. The Pacers beat the buckucs, ruined Dame's dollar return. He hadn't played in over a month. But the Pacers win 123-115. The Pacers now lead the series 2-0. For the second game in a row, the Pacers

had balanced scoring, six players in double figures. Pascal Siakam, Tyrese Halliburton, Miles Turner, Aaron Nesmith, Nimhard, and Benedict McBurn. They're deep. Very. They are. They're a deep team. They're a balanced team.

T.J. McCollum didn't get in on the action because he normally gives you double figures, but that's the thing. Although Giannis and Bobby Porter's played extremely well, you know, Dame is trying to work his way back into it. He's been off a month. Yeah.

You know, I'm sure I don't know how much he was doing with that blood clot. But, you know, let's see how the first, let's see how game three goes. Right. Because he's got, you know, trying to get his leg because I don't think he played, he didn't play much more than 20 plus minutes.

It's going to be very interesting to see how does he feel. Probably a little sore, Ocho. You know, when you don't do something for a month, you're a little sore. And then you come back. Then you come back. Obviously, you practice. You practice.

You get it in. But playing in practice and playing in the game is completely different, especially after being off a whole month. Yeah. Listen, you said the right thing. You got to get your legs back up underneath you because it's different.

It's a different ballgame. You can run 100 gases and practice all you want. because it's different. It's a different ball game. You can run 100 gases and practice all you want. Game time is different. Yeah. Giannis averaging 35, 15, and 4, shooting 65% from the floor, but he finds himself down 0-2.

I think the thing is that they're saying, look, let Giannis score. We just got to keep everything else under control. Because that assist total, that's what I'm looking at. You go back and look at them when they made this run late in the season, it was because Giannis was damn near averaging a triple-double

every game. Or his assist total was way up there, 7, 8, 9. Sometimes he had 11, 12 assists. Now it's like, okay, get yours. Ain't nobody else eating. You get your belly full. I mean, eat all you want to. Ain't nobody else eating. Bobby Porter's playing well tonight.

They needed one other guy. And if they can get Giannis and Bobby to play like this, I don't know when they play tonight. It's Tuesday, so they'll probably play Friday. If they play Friday, Saturday, so they'll probably play Friday. If they play Friday, Saturday, and they can get Bobby and Giannis to play like this and get Dame

to give them a little bit more than what he gave them tonight, they're going to be all right. They're going to be all right. Because the thing is that Andy, let's think about it. You got all these guys in double figures. That's how they win. They don't have a situation where a guy going to go get you 30 or 40.

They're going to have a bunch of 20. You know, one guy might have 25, and he's going to have 20, 19, 17, 16, 15. They play the numbers game on you, Ocho. You know, where you have like a Giannis, Giannis is going to get you 50, 14, and 6. Every time. Consistently. Kind of like with OKC. Shea might get you.

Shea's going to give you 30. But J-Dub's going to give you 22. Chess is going to give you 15. Hardenstein is going to give you 8. You know, Lou Doerr to give you 10. Yeah. They just chop you up. You get Isaiah Joe.

You got Wiggins. We know Wallace. And so it's going to be an interesting series. I like this. I like the back and forth between Halliburton and Dame. And Dame. Yeah. Where that stem from?

Where that stem from? Dame said, I got something for you. You're doing a lot of talking. Because you know, the day the poll came out and Tyrese Halliburton voted the most overrated player. Overrated? That's what they say. That's what the players say. I didn't be a player, so I'm just saying.

It all depends on who's doing the voting. Are we talking about the fans? Are we talking about voters? Are we talking about media? The players voted Tyrese Halliburton the most overrated player in the NBA. The players. Oh, that, that, hey. You believe that?

You believe that? Do you really believe that the players actually take an account of that poll and take it actually serious? Well, somebody voted. Now, they said it was the players. I ain't finna go back here. I ain't finna say, you know, and get myself in no trouble. Right.

And talk about no dominion and the ballots were stuffed and then the other league accounting. But all I'm saying is that. Yeah, I don't like that. I don't like that. Man, they have these polls all the time, Bocho. What you don't like that. Man, they have these polls all the time, Bocho, what you talking about? Yeah, I know they have these polls all the time,

but you never hear about players actually taking these goddamn polls. You notice that? The players do all the talking all the time. They got, you know, they do podcasts, they talk to media, and we have not once heard players say, you know what, I've actually voted for so-and-so

when a certain poll came around about a certain statistical category. Never. Now, I remember Pro Bowl voting. I remember that. Outside of that, all these other voting and all these other categories they always have. For some reason, I've never seen any player talk about it, whether it be football or basketball. But, Ocho, think about it now.

What do they have now, Ocho? The top 100 players. Somebody got to vote. So who voting on that? Ain't no telling. Honestly. They say the players. I mean, all I know is when they go, they voting on the players.

They're saying such and such and such and such. So I don't know. Yeah. But somebody voting for that. Yeah. I think they. And as a player, you can't vote for a player on your own team. Yeah.

So. I don't see how they call Mr. Halliburton, you know, overrated. Played on the Olympic team. He's the best player on the Pacers right now.

You know? You know, Siakam might be the best player. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen, I love Pascal Siakam. He's not better than Brother Halliburton. Okay.

You know. I ain't Doris Burke, but my eyes work. I watch the game, and I watch the games. You know, Pascal Siakam, nice. I used to watch him when he was with the Raptors. Yeah.

Burke and Ernie. Which one got the round face Which one got the little cone shaped head The round face Yeah Pascal That's Burke Nah

Ernie got the cone shaped head Ernie is the one The yellow one Ernie the one Ernie the one that's red That's Burke I ain't seen I ain't seen Ernie is the one The yellow one Ernie the one Ernie when that's red Got Burke I ain't seen But I ain't seen

But yeah Ernie Ernie Ernie got Oh yeah Ernie got Burke Burke got Burke is the one

With the I told you The red That was right Burke no Burke is the one With the round With the round face

But you ain't seen You ain't seen The Muppets In a long time I ain't seen Sesame Street in so long Nah, nah, Burke is the one with the round face. Oh, boy, you ain't seen the Muppets in a long time. I ain't seen Sesame Street in so long. That's not Sesame Street. That's the Muppets, man. Burke got them ball. You heard me? Huh?

That's the Muppets. Yes. It is the Muppets, right? Is it the Muppets? Yeah. I don't know. Burke and Ernie. It's Burt. You talk about Burt.

It's Burt. B-E-R-T. Burt. Man, every time I look at these dudes, man, I start laughing. What happened? I mean, I just be looking at them, man. It's just like, because the one with the round face always stayed in some bull jive. He was always.

Ernie and Bert. What is Bert and Ernie? Bert. Hey, well, I need to turn it. Well, I got to turn it on. Well, I'm going to wipe my face three, 37 times. Well, I don't know why you said

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, Ocho. Dang. 90 votes were cast. Ocho. Yeah. Who is the league's most overrated player? There were 90 votes cast.

See, 90 votes? Tyrese Halliburton was first. Rudy Gobert was second. Trey Young was third. Jimmy Butler was fourth. Bradley Beal fifth. Draymond Green sixth. John Morant seventh.

Julius Randle eighth. Giannis, excuse me, no, Joel Embiid ninth, Giannis was tenth. Now you see how I know this wasn't the players? This is how I know it wasn't the players. How you got Giannis on there? That's how you know it wasn't the players. Players ain't vote on that. That ain't nothing but the media.

That ain't nothing but the media. People having personal vendettas against certain players. Talk about the players voted on this. The devil is alive. Who is the MVP? There was 155 votes cast. Right. Jake Yorges Alexander

got 56% of the vote. Nikola Jokic got 37% of the vote. Giannis Antetokounmpo and Donovan Mitchell tied with 1.9% of the vote. Andnis Antetokounmpo and Donovan Mitchell tied with 1.9% of the vote. And Goat James got 1.3%

of the votes. Which team other than your own will win the NBA title this season? Boston Celtics got almost 58% of the votes. OKC Thunder got 18% of the votes, 17.5.

The Cleveland Cavaliers got 10.2. The Los Angeles Lakers got 6.6. And the Denver Nuggets got 4.4. Those and the Golden State Warriors and the Milwaukee Bucks tied with fifth. Five years from now, Ocho, who would be the face of the league? With 53, 54% of the vote, Victor Wimbinyama. Second, with Ant-Man. Third, Shea Gilgis.

Fourth, Jason Tatum. Five, Luka Doncic. I like Ant. I like Ant being the face. Luka is great. He still doesn't have that it factor, that aura that makes you the face of the league. Ant-Man has that it factor. I don't know how to explain it. I don't know how to put it into words.

The chat, if you listen to me, I'm sure you'd understand. If you don't understand, it would be hard for me to explain. Michael Jordan had that it factor. Kobe had that it factor kobe had that it factor you can't teach it you can't coach it it's just in you and just the way you carry yourself the way you play the game i i don't know how to put them i almost cursed i'm sorry i don't know how to put it into words you understand exactly what i mean um i'm trying to think jason tatum he's a great choice NBA champion All-star MVP He just doesn't have that

There's something missing from that puzzle There's something Again, I don't know how to put it into words Or explain it You know what it is when you see it Oh yeah It just I don't know. And got that like. Just different. Yeah, it's just different. percent of the vote. The Washington Wizards were second with 20 percent of the vote. The Pelicans, 11.5 percent

of the vote. Sacramento Kings, 8.8 percent of the votes. The Philadelphia 76ers, 5.3. And the Dallas Mavericks at 4.4 percent. What you like on there? I can't fight them

on the top three. Charlotte, Charlotte, huh? As far as the worst ran? Yeah, Charlotte. Washington. They ain't got nothing wrong. Everybody that's up there, they deserve to be up there. Is it a fact that they can't get players to come play there?

When the ones that play there stay hurt. I mean, LaMelo hurt every year Ocho oh yeah hey he nice boy when he healthy okay when when LaMelo like that boy you gotta get out his daddy say he need to get well the team said he need to get stronger his dad has boy. You got to get out. His daddy said he needed to get,

well, the team said he needed to get stronger. His dad has been saying he needs to get stronger. Right. But, uh. He got, I mean, he got. But I'm saying, the thing is, like, like, Melo and Lonzo, they kind of built,

they kind of, like, wirey frame. Right. They ain't built like LeBron. LeBron played football. Jello got LeVar's body. But yeah. But I think if you put on muscle, but take away from his game,

his style of play. But he got to get, I mean, it's one thing to be famed, but every time he go down, I mean, Melo missing 10, 15, 20 games a clip. That's too much. He's too young. Yeah.

I feel you. I mean, his frame is similar to clip. That's too much. He's too young. Yeah. I feel you. I mean, his frame is similar to Ja. Ja was the same way. Allen Iverson was the same way as well. You know, they weren't big. Yeah, but see, Ja spent so much time up in the air. So he coming down, he coming down, landing on that court.

But AI was tough as wet leather, man, because AI was played like that. AI played. I don't know because AI was played like that. AI played. I don't know how AI did it. Yeah. In the club all night, and then come out there and get up here, so practice.

I forgot he didn't do no practice. Ocho, aside from your own current coach, who is the best coach in the league? Mark Dagnall, 21.8% of the vote. Kenny Atkinson, 13.6. He and Eric Spolstra tied. Joe Mazzulla, 12.2. Ty Liu, 8.2. Steve

Kerr, 4.7. Hell, J.J. Redick even got some votes. Michael Malone is no longer on the team. No longer coaching the team. Or Tyler Jenkins. Both got relieved of their duties during the season. What happened to Ima?

Ime, Ami. Aime Udoka, 3.4% of the vote. JB Bickerstaff, 2.7%. JJ, 2.7%. Michael Malone, 2.0%. Chauncey Billups, Taylor Jenkins, and Quinn Snyder each round out the final three

at 1.4%. Who was first again? Mark Dagnall, OKC coach. Yeah. That's about right. It's hard to argue that. It's hard to argue that. But obviously, you know, it's really not.

OK, I don't want to be rude to say this. But when you have players like that, when you have SGA and the supporting cast he does, when you have the bench that he does, well, then there's a coach. You get the players like that when you have SGA and the support and cast he does when you have the bench that he does well then there's a coach you get the boat like that because you got you got coaches getting fired most of the time

I think it's a little bit different for NBA because there's been some superstars that played together and coach still got fired hell the Phoenix Suns coaches got fired you had Bill

Bill Booker and KD boy they got what you call they got the coach before that fired. And the coach before that fired. They got three straight years in a row they fired the coach. Yeah, but see, you can't say that in the NBA. You can't say players get coaches fired when it comes to the NBA because the players are actually good.

They don't get players fired. They don't play well together. How? I don't understand. When you go play LA Fitness, when you go play recreational football, recreational ball, if you get the best players on your team, nine times out of ten, you finna win. In the NBA, for some reason, it don't work like that.

No. Because you got to play together. You only got one ball. That's why, you know, everybody ask me, I say, man, what you got to play together. You only got one ball. That's why, you know, everybody ask, I say, man, what you going to do? If I put,

let's just say I put the three best receivers out there. Let's just say I put Chase, Jefferson, and Tyreek. Hey, man, you know how unhappy they going to be? With what?

With what football? Not in this, not in this, not in this offense, not in today's offense. Hell yeah, they throw the ball a hundred times a game

Yeah But Every player Ain't getting ten catches a game So what happens When the guy get twelve catches And the other guy get three How that gonna work out

I'll let you go ahead And tell the chat How that gonna work out I don't know That's just Exactly Hypothetically speaking That't know. That's just hypothetically speaking, that'd be dangerous. That's why you need one dog, and then you have somebody else that can blend in.

You put two of them guys over there, and somebody get 12, one game and the other get three. Even if you won the game, hey, you're going to be stepping on lifts when you go in the locker room. Wait, hold on now. We had a small example of that over there in Philly. Now, they got two dogs out there. I don't care what nobody say.

Them two number ones over there. Some game, some game. And what did A.J. Brown say? He was hot. He was hot. Okay, thank you. He was hot. He was hot.

He was hot. Hey, that boy pull that book out. To keep him blowing up on people. To keep him blowing up. I like that. That's a good strategy. Good tech. Aside from your current coach, who is the worst coach in the league? Brian Keefe, one that going away.

Mike Boonhoser, he's no longer there. Charles Lee, I don't even know. Nick Nurse, I know he coached for Philly. Tom Thibodeau, Nick's. Rachevich, he coached for Torontoilly. Tom Thibodeau, Knicks, Racevic, he coached for Toronto, Christie, Sacramento, Jordy Fernandez. Is that in Charlotte?

And Michael Malone. Denver. Ocho, if a fight broke, which player in the league would you least like to fight? James Johnson won this going away. 63% of the... And then you got Isaiah Stewart at 13.5.

Steve, Big Steve Adams, 11.3. Lou Dort at 2.1. Hey, Isaiah Stewart and... Who's Johnson? James Johnson. They used to play for the Heat? Yeah. He like a fourth-degree black belt.

I wouldn't care if it was a fifth-degree orange belt. Leave that alone, though, Joe. I'm just saying, I like me against him and Isaiah Stewart. What do you think? Mm-mm. No? That man chop you in your head. You have a permanent part.

You know, I took karate, too. What, Karun? No, no, I took karate. That's your discipline? I took karate classes in Crossroom Star Projects at Gwen Cherry Park. Mm-mm. Yeah, I was a black belt. I was a black belt. Gwen Cherry Park Yeah I was a black belt I'm I was a black belt

Gwen Cherry Park I forgot my instructor's name He passed away a long time ago Across from Scott Projects Boy I'll never forget Nah I promise

Leave that alone What Nah nah I'm telling you I'm telling you I'm telling you I forgot my routine I know good do you like Adam Silver's idea

of changing 10 minute quarters 78% said no 13% says yes 8.5% are undecided would you like it if the NBA went to 10 minute quarters I think that might be what it is in FIBA half percent are undecided. Would you like it if the NBA went to 10-minute quarters?

I think that might be what it is in FIBA. You like that better? Nah, because when you start messing with the game, Ocho, you start changing. Now you get records and stuff. Because now, Ocho, you're about to go to 17. We had 17 games. We're about to go to 17. We're at 17 games.

We're about to go to 18 games. Right, right, right. Look, it used to be 12 games. It used to be 14 games. It used to be 16. Now it's 17. We're going to go to 18. It's too much, huh?

I mean, listen, if you're going to change the game, are you changing it for the betterment of the game? Is it changing it for the players? Is it for health reasons? It depends. I'm curious. Money. When you add games, you're adding it for money.

The same thing with the playing. Right. Because think about it, Ocho. You get an extra three games. No, you get an extra three games on each side. So you get six-game totals because you got seven play eight, nine play ten. Whoever wins out of seven-eight, they're the seventh seed. The loser of seven-eight play the winner of nine-ten.

Right. So that's three extra games. Hmm. That's a nice little chunk of pie, too. Yeah. That's why they got that, what, a seven-year, 77 billion, or, yeah, $77 billion? What? 11-year, $77 billion or, yeah, $77 billion deal. What?

11-year, $77 billion, something like that. But they got a nice little chubby chain. Yeah. I like it. Oh, Joe. Jerry Jones hinted. Here we go. Dallas isn't done in the trade market this offseason.

Here we go. And there are a couple of deals in the work. We're looking at two things that could happen before or after the draft. Two pretty substantial trades. been working on today ojo are the cowboys finally going all in no probably not probably not because if he says something about it it's probably not going to happen you know if it actually happens without him saying it, then yes. I mean, history shows that Jerry will say a lot of things and not do the things necessary to improve the team year in and year out.

So why should this year be any different? I think maybe he came out and said something just to catch the headlines. Just to catch the headlines like he always does. Give the fans hope. What if he traded for Tyreek? I like that.

I like that. I know you do. I like that. Now you give... You put that speed with CD in the slot Man what And you have

Taking the top off Listen you have a Complimentary Number three Then Wait a minute I didn't even mention The draft yet

They pick at what Twelve right Twelve They pick at twelve They picking that high They might be I forgot Well I'm trying to think Young Bull Omarion Omarion They picking 12? They picking that high? They might be. I forgot.

Well, I'm trying to think. Young Bull, Omarion, Omarion, if he's there. What's his last name? Oh, you're talking about the running back from North Carolina. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the one we had on there. Get Omarion. Asin Jinti obviously is going to be gone. Or the Cowboys, if you really want to be slick, if you're really serious about winning and changing your program,

man, go on up and sneak up there and get Aston Gentry. Can you imagine adding him to that offense? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, look, I understand the running back is coming back. But people don't normally move up to take no running back. If you know that they'll move up to take every other

position except that guy. Well, let's talk about it, though. Let's talk about it. The addition of Saquon Barkley from the New York Giants to the Philadelphia Eagles

was the last missing piece to get them over the hump to win a championship. You got four Pro Bowl offensive linemen? Who? You got four Pro Bowl offensive linemen?

Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. You got two receivers that can lift coverage outside? What about your quarterback? How's your quarterback looking? They will. I mean, you got Dak. If, I'm just saying hypothetically speaking,

if Jerry puts his money where his mouth is and go get Tyreek from Miami, man, stop playing. And you know Zach Martin retired. Shh, man, stop playing. And you know, Zach Martin retired. Yeah, he did. He did. He did.

And that offensive line wasn't very good last year, Ocho. Nah, they wasn't. They were banged up too, huh? They were banged up. They were banged up. Hey, put that in the universe too. Put that banged up. Hey, put that in the universe, too. Put that in the universe.

Hey, Reek. Reek, I know you're going to see this. Dak, I know you're going to see this. CD, y'all are going to see this. Jerry, you're probably going to see this, too. Make something happen, man. Make something happen. You want to make something happen?

Change it up, man. Shoot the dice. Hey, Jerry Jones, I don't know if you play CeeLo, but roll it. Roll it, baby. I don't know if you play CeeLo, but roll it. Oh, Joe,. I don't know if you play CeeLo, but roll it. Oh, Joe, this is about to make you upset. Wait, wait, wait.

Give me time. Give me time. Let me get my towel. Give me a towel. You talking about I'm going to be upset? Yep, you're about to be upset. Okay, talk to me.

Let me get some of this oil off my skin. What y'all think about this? I need to use some of them. Hey, look, I've been eating fat back and crackling or something. What's going on in my head?

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He has terrible body language. He blames teammates, but the biggest thing is, he's not that good. Man, that's some... You know what? Come on, man. What are we doing? What are we doing? Behind all that was said, is there a name to that

ojo before you go any further the worst form of interview i've been in he's so entitled okay he takes unnecessary sack that's not an interview he never plays on time that's not a part of the interview he's horrible but he has horrible body language he blames his teammate the biggest thing when is he ever i i thought an interview when he came in um you know the way he talks he talks about himself he's condescending right he's you know blah blah blah that's an interview right none of what you see that that may that's making no sense. And I'm curious. We know why. We know why the punters are doing this, the analysts and whoever it may be. Well, don't take it.

Assistant coach, if you're on a team, you recommend that they don't take Shador. But you don't got to do this. Yeah, it's not making any sense. Because that man is confident. Mm-hmm. Ain't nobody said nothing when Baker Mayfield was a lot like this. I ain't hear ain't nobody said nothing when baker mayfield baker mayfield was a lot like this hey i hear none of this actually he was a little he was a little he was a little bit more more flamboyant than this much more i mean shidur does the watch but listen baker mayfield was a was

a real one playing the flag in the middle of the field and talking trash oh you don't want to shake my hand? Okay, bet. Bet. Hold my beer. Mm-hmm. Baker was a real one, but they enjoyed it. They enjoyed it when he did it.

Obviously, when it comes to, you know, Shador, it's a personal, personal vendetta, obviously, not only against him, but those who don't like his father as well and his carrying over

when the two should be separated in general. Don't allow your hate for Prime or whatever disdain you might have for him to affect what Shador's going to do for a team at the next level. Listen, you turn on the film, it speaks for itself. What are we talking about?

I'm not even showing myself for the discussion. Turn on the film, everywhere he's gone, he's been successful. If he's not that good, so how Colorado go from a one-win team to like a five-win team to all of a sudden an eight, nine-win team? Again, the proof is in the pudding when you turn the film on. Forget what they talking about. Whoever that was.

Pittsburgh is on the clock. Shadur hinting at the Steelers pick. Shadur was asked who's on his Mount Rushmore duos, along with Brady and Gronk and Rodgers and Devontae. His last spot, whoever the quarterback is for DK Metcalf and George Pickens, whoever that is this year. Hmm. Wait a minute.

Bring that to me one more time. So I get a better understanding. My Rushmore duos, Brady and Gronk, Rodgers and Devontae, and the quarterback, they're throwing to DK and Pickens. Who's going to be the quarterback? I mean, you put those names out there. I guess you're thinking it's going to be the quarterback? I mean, you put those names out there, I guess you're thinking it's going to be you. I like that.

Mm-hmm. Who's your other Mount Rush? If you got Brady Gronk, Rodgers, Devontae, you got to have Rice with either Young or Montana. Yeah, Rice. I like Rice Young better. I mean, not Young.

I like Rice Montana better. Okay, okay, okay. Can I give you another one? Yes. I like Roethlisberger Brown. Okay. Better than my homeboy, Trav? Ooh, that good one.

Are we putting the tight end in that receiver category? Yeah. You took Brady Gronk. That's right. You did Brady Gronk. My homeboy in Trav would be in that, obviously. What about Phillip Rivers and Antonio Gates? Antonio Gates?

That's nice. It's nice. It's not... It's not... It's nice. Especially with the numbers they put up together. Oh, yeah. Good numbers.

Yeah. Really good numbers. They put up great numbers. Mm-hmm. Mark Andrews said the gloves were completely soaked on the final two-point conversion play against the Bills when he dropped the ball and was debating taking them off to play before. I'm thinking, do I take it off?

Do I not? It was so fast, so quick that it just happened. At the end of the day, I still should have caught the ball. Won't you? I hate reliving stuff like that. It's going to be hard for the rest of his life. should have caught the ball. Ocho? I hate reliving stuff like that. It was hard for the rest of his life. Yeah.

It was a low ball, but it was catchable. It was a difficult ball, especially for a tight end, looking down. You know, I just, but that, it's, it... That's the hardest ball.

That's the hardest ball to catch. Yeah, anything we load away, son. Trying to, trying to slide. Yeah, the waist Trying to Trying to slide Yeah yeah yeah Trying to slide Ocho You don't really track it Cause you gotta look it All the way in And you gotta like

Cradle in it And get to your pads So quick And once they hit them pads And you ain't Put your hands on it That ball gone Yeah

Yeah That ball gone Yeah that's unfortunate I mean hands wet That really had nothing to do with it, you know, in that scenario, especially as soft, as soft as the ball was thrown.

If you're thinking, if Ocho, what should have happened, if you're thinking about doing something, go ahead and do it. If you're thinking about taking the gloves off, you probably should have took them off, Ocho. Right. Probably should have took them off.

Damn. probably should have took him off damn I hate that man going to relive that situation for the rest of his life in his head not only is he going to have to relive it people are going to

remind him of it to the surprise of even some Atlanta Falcons staffers first cousins reported to the start of team's voluntary offseason program today. Given the voluntary nature of Foy's one offseason workouts consisting of

meeting, strength, and conditioning, the expectation was cousin might skip this stage as he waits for a future to unfold. An expectation that even had coach Raheem Morris shared as recently as April 1st. Ocho. Cousin said, I ain't giving y'all none of this money. I'm going to get every dime. Y'all supposed to give me 100 mil for the guarantee?

I'm going to get it. For the guarantee. 100 mil. So what's going to happen in a situation like this? I mean, you would be better suited to know better than I would. They're going to have to pay him. Look. You can't cut him, right?

Yeah, you can. That's what they did with Russ. But you still had to give him the money regardless. Yes. That's why Pittsburgh was able to get him for a million dollars because the Broncos had to pay the 38 million. So Cubs still hold a boatload of money, don't you? Jesus.

I don't see him as a backup. Right. I don't. Just being honest. What teams are out there that need a quarterback? The ones that need a quarterback are going to find those needs in the draft because they're looking for players to be, I mean, there's only two quarterbacks.

Cleveland's going to take Abdul Carter. They need a quarterback. I mean, Abdul Carter is an impacting player, but he's not a franchise-changing player. The Browns need a quarterback.

I think you're looking at a guy that can bend the edge. You put him opposite of Miles Garrett. You see, Philly, what they were able to do with the pass rush to disrupt Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl. So I'm saying they're going to take they're not taking a quarterback at that spot.

So they're going to probably take Shador. They're probably going to take Trav or Carter. Let's just say for the sake of argument, they take Hunter. Right. They could be on the market for a quarterback. They did sign Flacco. Yeah.

So that might have been. Damn, I'm trying to think I don't like hey Flacco Flacco plays so well in that offense and look completely different from Deshaun Deshaun's not going to be back and healthy for a while

I'm assuming at the start of the season he won't be available and Flacco yeah I don't see and healthy for a while. I'm assuming at the start of the season he won't be available. Yeah, I don't see... Flacco's a security blanket, I'm assuming, based on his familiarity with the system. No?

Because the thing is, Ocho, he tore it and then he re-tore it. I hate that. But I mean, you said he was healthy, you know, people underestimating him.

He can't wait to get back. So we're going to see. Yeah. We're going to see. I'm hoping he, listen, he, listen,

Deshaun said he's going to be back better than ever. I'm expecting to be back better than ever. Obviously. I'm trying to, I'm trying to think of a situation where it could,

um, cousins go. What? If they cut him or trade him? Cut him. Ain't nobody going to trade for him. I ain't picking up that salary. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, picking up that salary.

Can't go to the Raiders. They got Geno. Right. Can't go to anywhere in the NFC South because they are stacked up at quarterback. Let's see, the AFC West. You're not going to Kansas City, you're not going to Denver, you're not going to the Chargers. Boom.

Okay, let's try the AFC East. The Jets just got Justin Fields. You know they sit in Buffalo, they sit in Miami, they sit in New England. So that's out. What about the AFC South? What about AFC North?

There's one team in AFC North that doesn't have a quarterback. I said Cleveland. We said Cleveland. Cleveland? I ain't talking Pittsburgh. Number eight want to play around. Number eight want to play around. No?

Well, you never say never because Rodgers hadn't committed to anybody, so that's a possibility that he could end up there. I like that. I like that. I like that. You know, Aaron, you want to play around, and one thing we do know about that goddamn Kirk Cousins, he going to let that ball go.

He going to sling it. You got DK, you got George. I'm not sure what the offense will look like. I'm sure the offense has to change a little bit. I'm not sure who the running back is for the Steelers right now. Jalen Warren. Okay. He's not going to Tennessee.

They're going to take Cam Ward. No, they're going to take Cam Ward. And they still got Will Levis. Right. They brought in Daniel Jones to challenge Richardson. That's not happening. No. Jacksonville, what about a backup to Trevor Lawrence as well. Not that it would really happen because they just paid him all that money, but still just having that veteran presence in the locker room with you, I think would be dope

for Trevor Lawrence and his growth. The Browns and the Giants are fielding trade cards for picks two and three. Browns pick two, Giants pick three. I think both teams realize

There's not a player in the draft That's going to change their life Right But if I can trade that pick And get more picks Maybe Would you think you like it? No

No Absolutely not Why you trade Why you trade, why you trade out of it and you know what you need already? Why are you trading out of a pick and you know what you need? You're not getting the later rounds. Why are you going backwards? I guess they say,

I guess they're saying that they, they, they get multiple, get, get draft capital, get more. So instead of having a third pick, maybe we trade,

you got, everybody have, everybody has a first round pick this year. Um, so now I trade a third pick maybe we trade you got everybody have everybody has a first round pick this year um so now i trade back and now maybe i get an extra second right i get an extra third no man no no you you're struggling you're struggling in certain areas and the areas you're struggling and you know you you know what you need you know what you need get what you need and stop playing test it you got you got you got cam is going to tennessee you have to do what that's going to be available forget all this

stuff everybody talk about you you've watched you turn you watch the film you've seen what you've seen what he can do he did it in high school he did it at jackson state he did it at colorado there's some other quarterbacks that are supposed to go in the second round. There might be a surprise if these punters and these analysts and GMs and scouts really don't like Shador because of the way he carries himself. You know, you have Dart. You have some other quarterbacks. I'd have been humble myself. Yeah.

But you? Listen, I wouldn't either. I wouldn't either. I wouldn't either. What you see is what you get, bro. I did the job. Yeah. I did't either. What you see is what you get, bro. I did the job. Yeah. I did the job.

I mean, that probably rubbed people with time. But time is who he is. Yeah. It's who he is. As long as it's not destructive to the team. Right. What's the issue, man? Why y'all want the man to think less of himself?

The man confident. His daddy was confident. He instilled that in him. We don't bow down. We don't hold our head just because you don't feel this way about yourself. So now you want me to make me feel good about yourself by lowering myself, by hanging my head,

not being confident. You don't want me to be confident because it gives you the confidence to make you think that we're on the same level. Right, but it makes you uncomfortable. It makes you uncomfortable. Ooh! I don't know, Ocho.

What can I get for picks two and three, Ocho? What can I get? Listen, you can get a little bit. Let me ask you a question. How high is somebody coming up? I don't know, Ocho. What can I get for two picks, two and three, Ocho? What can I get? Listen, you can get a little bit. Let me ask you a question. How high is somebody coming up? Because if you come up high enough, you come up more than five, four places, I'm getting your first round of next year.

Oh, yeah, most definitely. Hell, if you're coming up that high, you might get two first rounders. Or you get a first and a second. That's my point. Yeah. But do you believe there's one player in this draft that's going to go at second, that's going to go at third, that's going to be life-changing? Travis Hunter.

Life-changing. Well, if you believe he's going to be life-changing, you stand by it, you take it. That's why I think it's all bluffing. The Cleveland Browns and the Giants talk about all these picks and trades and calls, accepting it's all bluffing. The Cleveland Browns and the Giants talk about all these picks and trade and call, accepting calls. They bluffing. They bluffing.

They bluffing. Definitely bluffing. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood,

CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person

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