Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Lakers fall 3-1 to Timberwolves + Giannis & Bucks look defeated!

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson and NBA Legend Gary Payton react to Round 1 of the NBA Playoffs featuring, Giannis Antetokounmpo and the Milwaukee Bucks losing to Tyrese Haliburton in Game 4 of Round 1 of the NBA Playoffs. Later, they react LeBron James, Luka Doncic, and the Los Angeles Lakers falling being 3-1 to Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves, and more!01:46 - Introduction03:44 - Pacers vs Bucks27:44 - Lakers vs Minnesota(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The others, hmm. First, let's start with the beatdown that we just witnessed. The Pacers blew out the Bucs 129-103. Dang, have a potential Achilles tear. I don't want to play. It didn't look good because when he went down GP, he grabbed the back of that ankle, and we know what that seems to indicate. Hopefully, it's not that. Let's keep our

fingers crossed. Let's pray for that. But they blow him out 129-103. The Pacers, eight guys in double figures. Siakam, 12 points. Neesmith, 14. Turner, 23. Nembhard, 20. Halliburton,

17 with 15 assists. Obi Toppin had 13. Walker, 12. And T.J. McConnell had 15. And the Bucs only had three guys in double figures, but it wasn't nearly enough. You could see a lot of the momentum leave the building once Dame Dollar went down with that Achilles injury.

GP, let me ask you this. You played. I don't know if you had any severe injuries that was career-threatening. What does this mean for Dame if this is what a lot of people are surmising or suspecting that it might be? Well, you know what, Shannon? It's like this. Dame is here from Oakland, California, where I'm from.

You know what I'm saying? And I grew up with his pops., where I'm from. You know what I'm saying? And I grew up with his pops. We got the same age. You know what I'm saying? And I got the message for him there. It doesn't look really, really good. You know what I'm saying? Dame just gave him back

from what he was, his injury that he was from. He only had one game back. It doesn't look really, really good. You know what I'm saying? That's my guy. That's my little nephew to back. It doesn't look really, really good. You know what I'm saying? That's my guy. That's my little nephew to me. I don't like him. I just don't like the injury. I think this is not

going to be good for Milwaukee. Milwaukee is not that basketball team that everybody needs to see. They can't compete with this young team in Indiana. It's not looking good. And I don't think it's going to be looking good. I think this is going to be terrible news

for the Milwaukee Bucks. I'm going to let you go in just a second, Ocho. Yeah. Was this Giannis, if they get swept in the first round again, is this Giannis' last game in Milwaukee? Well, they're not going to be swept. You know, with Shannon, they're not going to be swept.

You know, with Shannon, they don't. I mean, get put out of the playoffs. What I'm going to think is what's going to happen, Shannon, is they're going to make a retool of everything. You know what I'm saying? They got to think about everything. They got to think about how they're going to get better, what's going to happen.

This team is not the same team. They try to make trades with Middleton and all that. It didn't work. I think they're going to retool this whole team. I don't even think Dame's going to be there next year. I'm going to be honest with you. It's something that they've got to retool above.

This team is not the same. If they get before one in this series, I think they're going to retool everything, Shannon. Ocho, go ahead. Hey, listen, we talk about retooling, GP. This is what's going to happen. Listen, my ears and eyes

aren't as close to the basketball world as you, GP, but I can tell you this. Giannis was already frustrated. Giannis was already frustrated being in Milwaukee and not winning. Obviously, he's won a chip already. But the addition of Dame Dollar was supposed to be that of one that got them over the hump. Now, if they get swept, or gentleman sweep as we so call it,

I think he's going to be frustrated and probably asked to be out. With Dame, obviously, being hurt, i'm hoping for the best for him that it's not it's not as bad as what it looked like um i don't think dame will be there as well but knowing yannis especially with dame coming off an achilles injury if that's what it is i think he's gonna ask out and just i just throw this out in the pot the best place for y Giannis to go is to go from the Bucs and come on down here to Miami because we need a superstar. Listen, I just had to throw that out there. So the basketball guards can hear that and I can manifest that for us down here. Let me tell you about that.

I get it. But, you know, these are going to be big trades. You know what I'm saying? To get Giannis, you got to give a lot of people away. Only person that you go, they're going to be asking for a lot from Miami. Probably four draft picks. And them players are going to be their top hero and fam.

What you're trying to say right now, Chad, is I get it. I get it that that's what you want to say. But they're going to have to put one of them dudes in. And then when you get rid of a lot of them players, you're going to come with a lot of other players that you got to bring along. You know what I'm saying? So who are you going to keep? They're going to try to get rid of Bam if that's the case.

That hero is going to be there. and then it's just only going to be Hero and Giannis so we got to understand that but it's going to be a lot because they're going to have to give a lot of weight to get that kid See I understand exactly what you're talking about

give me a minute y'all stay with me real quick now I sat down yesterday I sat down yesterday. I sat down yesterday with Pat Riley and Mickey Harrison and we came down with a game plan based on what we want to do and trying to facilitate a way

to get the heat back to what we used to be at one time when we had our big three, when we had Bosh, we had D-Wade, and we had LeBron. I'm going to cut you off right there. First of all,

you got to learn the 206. I got y'all championship, baby. It was us who started that thing. Youron. I'm going to cut you off right there. First of all, you got to learn the 206. I got y'all championship, baby. It was us who started that thing. Yes, sir. We want that big shit out there. You're right. One thing about it, I'm not going to forget history. I remember history.

So what I'm thinking about, I was talking with Pat yesterday. We sat down. We have a cup of tea with a pinky finger out. And I asked him, I said, listen, we need to do what we need to do. The Grizzlies, they got swept. I think that we need to make a move for Ja. We need to make a move for Ja. And I said, listen, we're going to do it.

You still have to give up pieces, Ocho. You think people are just going to take Ja. Listen, before you started painting, you got a canvas, right? So the conversation Pat Riley and I had, it was the canvas. Now allow us to work. Now allow us to paint. We didn't even get to the painting part yet. We're going to figure out a way to get it done.

Now, not only are we going to get Giannis, we're going to find a way to get Ja Morant down here as well. And I think we get to addition them two. Then we build around Ja and Giannis down here in Miami. And we're going to be fine. How are you going to get both of them without giving up everything you got? Listen, we don't have a problem giving up everything we have

because we can build with those two as the future. No, you can't. Because here's the thing. See, you're thinking everybody's going to make the same mistake that Nico Harrison made, giving up Luka basically for an evil swap with Anthony Davis and not a whole lot of traffic. Now, y'all got to understand,

Nico, my guy, he does he's a president. He doesn't own that team. For you to give away Luka, when you give up Luka, you got to have permission to give up Luka. I don't care what y'all saying, don't put that on Nico. Everybody trying to put that

on Nico, don't do that. He got to have permission to get rid of that guy you know what i'm saying and that that owner she had to say yeah let's do it don't don't give it on him oh for sure you know he had to get permission to get rid of him and it had to be a lot of old reasons to give away luca it wasn't just because we're trying to make a deal it's because something else in that situation had to say i'm ready to get rid of this guy i don't want to give this guy 350 million dollars because he's not being that guy in dallas who he was and that's what you guys gotta understand he was doing a lot more things in in Dallas for them to get rid of him.

You know what I'm saying? Oh yeah, for sure. It's kind of like Adam Silver's commissioner. Roger Goodell is the commissioner. And people get mad at them, but they work at the behest of the owners. The owners run the league.

Adam Silver is just the mouthpiece. Roger Goodell is the mouthpiece. So you have to take all the booing oh you remember Thursday night you're like man they booing the commission again yep yeah they can't boo the owners because the owners don't get introduced so they boo the commissioner you're absolutely right but in a situation like that think about what Minnesota gave up to get Rudy Gobert think about what Phoenix gave up to get Rudy Gobert. Think about what Phoenix gave up to get Kevin Durant. There are not a whole lot of teams other than the only team that I can think of off the top of my head

to have the kind of draft capital and some of the players that a team might be interested in is OKC. They got 13 first-round pick and pick swaps. And Jalen Williams, I don't think they want to part with Jalen Williams. I really don't. They're not getting rid of shape. So don't even call. They're going to hang up on you. And then everything that you say after that is going to be moot.

So it's just hard when you're trading superstars. If you're going to talk about Ja and Giannis, you're going to have to get like five or six teams involved, GP. You got to. Shatter, you're going to have to get full teams at least to get a rate. Two of they stars or some of they stars and a lot of draft picks. You know what I'm saying? So let's talk about OKC.

They're not giving away nobody. They just swept. They just swept the team. So I ain't even tripping off that. They're young and they're going to be cool. And they're a little young point guard about to get the MVP of the league. I don't know. It's going to be hard with Joker, but

I think he's going to win the MVP. It's like this. They're not going to do anything. For these teams to be where they want to be, they're going to have to give up something. And they're going to get a lot. It's going to be a lot to give

up. And we're not going to sit here and sugarcoat it. It's not going to happen. They're going to have to give up a lot of their players, and they're going to have to restart. Chad, if Miami give up anybody, they're going to give away their whole team. And I know Pat Riley, too. You know, I play for him. He'll fool around and do that.

But he's not going to give away Hero right now and all them dudes because I just can't see it. You can't give away them dudes for a young piece and just say you got to give me away these guys and say I'm going to rebuild with them and eat their own.

They can't do that. See, this is the thing, GP. I understand you played for Pat you have a great relationship with Pat right with great understanding this is some of the things that are out of character

for him to do but right now Pat and Mickey they're in a different situation we want to get back to our winning ways can we get back to our winning ways

with the squad that we collectively have right now now we got some players we got a good squad you know they put on their hard hats. They make it.

You know, they play just well enough to make it to the playoffs. But we don't want to be, we don't want to do just well enough. Like, we want to get back to the upper echelon of coming out of the East and actually challenging, contending for NBA championship. And how do we do that? We have to do something that's out of character. Similar to what Dallas did. That's out of character. Similar to what Dallas did. That's out of character.

Tell Pat to sit back because here it is, GP. You know this. Your son is currently in the league. It's a different league now. That iron fist and that ruling, like I'm dictator,

that ain't flying with these young cats no more. It ain't. All that Pat Riley, you taking cookies and it's going to be my way or the highway. Guy says, okay,

I take the highway. You see LeBron James left because he took cookies. He had a problem with Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler left. So what do you think Giannis is?

Giannis is an apex predator. You think you're going to be able to talk to Giannis like you do Tyler here? Or Bam? Listen. I don't know. You heard what you just said?

You heard what you just said, huh? You heard what you just said? Listen, people like that have ability to change and understand what's right. Huh? He hasn't.

No, he's not. Keep talking to him. You, listen, me and Shannon is in almost in the same era. Hey, man,

you know you're a beaver like me, baby. You know what I'm saying? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You mean you are state, baby. You know what I'm saying? You're an orc state for sure. You know what I'm saying? Well, right now, this era is a lot different, man. They controlling things in this little era, man.

And we got to accept it. They controlling things. So what's going to happen is, is that Pat going to try to get right, but he got to get that plan that's going to be willing to do whatever. And to get Giannis and to get Moran, you're going to have to pay a lot. So think about what happened. Memphis caught fire their coach in the middle of the season.

Right before the playoffs. Four and five. Four and five in a seed. And because of whatever happened, whoever did it, whatever happened. And it didn't work. It didn't work. Now we're talking about the same thing. Giannis can go and cry all he

want to do, but we ain't got a lot of players out there that's going to get out like that now. You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of these dudes want to play with each other. So who want to play with Giannis? Who want to do that? Who want to take a two-year, three-year deal and say,

I'm going to Milwaukee. Ain't too many people coming to Milwaukee. No, they ain't going to Milwaukee. You have to trade for somebody. Ain't nobody signing. So now what you're saying is, is now, where can I go? Miami? Milwaukee. You have to trade for somebody. Ain't nobody signing. You know what they want to call me? Now, where can I go? Miami. Okay, you can come to Miami, but how are you going to give up?

You're going to give up all your team, and then you're going to have two players, and then you got to fill up 13 more positions. I'll give you a prime example, Ocho. GP, and you can attest to this, it's the same thing that happened when Carmelo Anthony left Denver and went to New York. They had a nice

team, and they could have kept that team and got Carmelo. But when they got Carmelo, the Nuggets gutted him. And now look what you got. You got a superstar in New York, and Carmelo was a superstar, but he had nothing. And so now... And then you went and got

my boy, A.I. He was aging. You know what I'm saying? So what you got to do is, what is you going to put with these dudes, man, nowadays in this era? You don't want to gut your whole team. You know what I'm saying? We can take Oklahoma City, for

example. They didn't gut their team. They started drafting, drafting, drafting, and now look at them. Look at them how they are now. You're not going to gut everybody to do that, and I don't think that's going to happen because this team of Walms, if they lose, I don't know what they're going to do, but they're not going to sit around here and say,

we're going to give six, seven players and four, five draft picks to Yon. It ain't going to be sitting around here and saying, we're going to give six, seven players and four, five draft picks to Giannis. It ain't going to happen. He's not that type of basketball player for y'all to get rid of y'all team and say, okay, we're going to build around him and do this and that, but we ain't got nothing around me. It ain't going to work. It ain't going to work

like that. No. When you look at this game, I mean, you look at the books. Outside of Giannis and Dane, they're really not that good. Brooke Lopez played 15 minutes tonight. He had six points. He had one rebound, one assist,

one steal, one block. Four personal fouls. Here's a guy that's seven foot tall, and I don't think he's ever averaged more than eight rebounds in a season. Let that sink in. He's seven foot tall. He doesn't want to play with his back. And once upon a time, GP, he played with his back to the basket.

Now he's a seven foot perimeter player. That's no good. Because Giannis needs space. So he has to space. He has to stand out there. It serves you no purpose. Dame goes down. Now you look at this lineup. Kyle Kuzma.

Now everybody complained, well, Kyle Kuzma didn't have to get up. He played 16 minutes tonight. He was one for six, 0 for 1 from the three, 1 for 2 from the free throw line. He had zero rebounds again, one assist, no steals, no blocks, zero turnovers, three fouls. Hey, Doc, that's on you because you say, how can you get in the rhythm if you don't shoot the ball? You're the head coach. It's your job to diagram plays to put him in position.

That's again. Now, remember the old joke? The other stand line the other night, it was zeros across the board. Now, at least he made one shot. At least he made one free throw. And then he had one—no, he had no rebounds one assist no steals no block shannon these are basketball players you talking about you trying to put something on them man listen here man in in all my age in my era man these dudes gotta get out man these ain't players like that man we only talk about athletes we talk about players right in my era man in the

90s man we had players man that's gonna go man, in the 90s, man, we had players, man, that's going to go get it here or not. So think about that, man. You trying to put something into some players that really ain't in that situation to have that type of role. You feel what I'm saying? That ain't the type of role they can, man. They ain't in that type of role, man. You ask them to be something that he's not. When have you ever seen these players that you just let be a

primary or a player that you need to put in that role? You ain't never seen that. Right. That's why the Lakers were so willing to get rid of him. That's why the Wizards were so willing to get rid of him. Because that's not what he is. Yeah, he can get hot

and give you 25, give you 30. But routinely, if you go back and study Kyle Kuzma, this is what he is. He's wildly inconsistent. And it's hard to be a championship team unless you got, when they won in the bubble, they had AD playing at best AD. You had LeBron at LeBron level. Then he had Howard. He had Howard and McGee.

And Dwight Howard. And he told y'all that. When he was thinking, he said, man, my best position at the four when I can get out. You know what I'm saying? And that's how that game goes. It's just like with the Lakers right now. They do not have a chemistry, man, with that team. You watch one person on one side go one-on-one.

You watch the other player go one-on-one. You can't win at that type of basketball right now in the NBA. You can't watch that. That's why they're not winning. That's why that little young, that team in Minnesota who got that little dog down there, Everest, they know who the dog. He the Batman, you know what I'm saying, or the

Superman. And them other dudes come and win. You feel what I'm saying? And he's knocking down shots. But that's what they do, man. They young, and they getting at it. That's why they up 3-1 right now. And we got to understand that. Basketball right now, Chad, you know it. It ain't like

in our day, man, when we had four, five people on our squad that can get out. We had a one, a two, a three, a four, and a five. Nowadays, you got one or two guys on the team that's getting down. That's it. Ain't nobody

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Looking at this game, I mean, I watched this game from start to finish. I never felt the Bucs was going to win this game. Because the other night when Milwaukee won, you got 37 points of career high from Greg Trent Jr. What was the likelihood he was going to be able to replicate that? Because at this juncture, yeah, he's a streaky shooter. But what was the likelihood of lightning striking twice? I didn't think it was going to happen.

Now, did I think Giannis could go get 37 again? Sure, absolutely. But, and I said this, Ocho, you and I was talking about it. I say, I'm looking at the Pacers. They only got three guys in double figures. That's not how they win the game. They are a committee. And they might not have anybody with 30,

but they're going to have a bunch of teens and 20s. And you look at it, they have a 14, a 17, a 13, a 12, a 15, a 23, and a 20. They had eight guys of the guys that they had played. You know, they got a couple of guys to get in their mop-up duty. But most of the guys that play got double figures. And it's hard to beat a team when you get eight of your 10 main guys playing, and they're in double figures, who do we check?

We can't check everybody. And that's why they blew them out. That's why they ran about the court. Let me ask you this. Yes. What teams are being successful now with what Shannon is saying? I'm going to give you them teams. Cleveland.

Right. Boston. Oklahoma City. Golden State Warriors right now who are playing very well when they playing that way. And that's how they play. What Shannon is saying is

they got to know who is Batman and Robin. You got to be a role player. You know what I'm saying? And we don't, you don't have, when them teams don't go like that, they're not going to win basketball games. I'm telling you. Sometimes you got to be, you got to be, you got to have a Commissioner Gordon.

You know what I'm saying? You got to have an Alfred and you know what I'm saying? You got Batman, you got Robin. Who's Alfred? Who's Commissioner Gordon? You got to have an Alfred. You know what I'm saying? Okay, you got Batman, you got Robin. Okay, who Alfred? Okay, who Commissioner Gordon? You got to have four to five people who are on the same page level. Oklahoma City is great like that.

Cleveland is great like that. You know, Boston is playing like that. And then, you know, a lot of these teams are playing like that. I think Denver and the Clippers are playing like that. And that's why that series is a very equal series in their 2-2 right now. You see what I'm saying? Yeah.

And it's got to work that way. And once you put that together, then I'm with you. You know what I'm saying? But you can't have one or two dudes because you can't win with one or two guys. You can't do it. Not in this league right now.

How they're so athletic and how they just play off their talent and they shoot threes. It's not going to happen. You're not going to win that one. It's not going to happen. Thanks. One of the two most interesting games today, and this is the game the chat has been begging us to talk about. The Lakers lose a close one at Minnesota. They have

a 10-point lead going into the fourth quarter, but Ant-Man went berserk. He scored 16 of his game-high 43 points as they outscored the Lakers 32-19. The Lakers shot just 5 of 18 in the fourth, including 3 of 9 in the last 5 minutes. LeBron legs. I text Ash this, and

I text this early. I say, it looks like JJ is going to roll with these guys the entire second half. I say, you talk about 46 minutes for LeBron on 40-year-old legs. You talk about Luka, 45 and a half minutes. You're talking about Rui and Dove and AR. I say that's a lot of wear and tear.

I say it's going to be very, very interesting. If this game comes down to the last three, four, five minutes, it's going to be very interesting if the Lakers can hold up. And you see LeBron took two shots in the fourth quarter. He had zero points in the fourth quarter. He's exhausted. I think it's the first time in, what, 20 years that nobody subbed for the Lakers in the second half of a ballgame.

Everybody that started the game played 24 minutes of a possible 24 minutes. And now I'm concerned because I don't know how the Lakers play better. You got 23 points on 9 of 16 shooting from Roy, 5 of 10, 23 points. You got LeBron, 27 points of 15 to 18 from the free throw line. He had 27, 12, 8, 3 steals, 3 blocks.

Okay, you got Luka played, gave you 38, 7 of 7 from the free throw line. He only had one rebound, two assists. They turned him into a score. You can live with that. I just don't want him to get 38-12 in assists total. You got A.R.

He only scored 17, but he got all of those in the second half. The bench gave him six points. And I think that was the difference in the ballgame because their bench gave you 20 points. Nas Reed gave you 12 points. Devin Chinzo gave you eight points. And Nikhil Alexander-Walker gave you 20 points. Nas Reed gave you 12 points. Devin Chinzo gave you 8 points. And Nikhil Alexander-Walker gave you 5 points. But it was Ant-Man and Drew Randle that really was.

And Jaden Daniels, McDaniels has been playing unbelievable. I don't know where this guy came from, but he's been sensational in the postseason. But Ant-Man did what a superstar is supposed to do. Well, Shannon Daniels is a defense stopper. He plays like that, but he gives you more. I'm going to compare you, Daniels, to my son. They give you everything they have to do to win basketball games. Not just defense.

When they start scoring and they do special stuff, their team is going to win. We're going to go back to that, Chad. Listen to what I'm saying. We're going to go back to what Shannon just said. Why do you think Minnesota won? First of all, the Lakers can't play defense. They have no defense at all. You feel me?

That's just a bad thing. And they need a big to protect the rim once they get beaten. Absolutely. So now what happened was is that that man got busy. So let me tell you about this. What should you do about a guy who gets hot? Double. Get the ball out of his hand and make somebody else be special.

But what do you know what they did? Minnesota got other people to come off the bench and be special and make shots. See, that's a difference. I was at my son's game last night, and they were beating up Curry for a long time. I kept saying, get him off the

ball. Stop having him be on the ball so they can double him every time. And then they finally listened and started getting him at the bottom, and he started coming off picks. But when they started doubling him and all of a sudden, who started getting busy? My son and other people.

And they beat him. You know what I'm saying? You have to have a cast to support you. That's what the game is about. It ain't about superstars. Now, when this playoffs come, it ain't about superstars. It, when this playoffs come, it ain't about superstars. It's about who's going to support

my superstar to get me to win basketball games. And the teams who are winning now are got a cast that support their superstars. So when they superstars get to start going, reason why Edwards got

busy today, because he was one-on-one with everybody. And ain't nobody going to stop him one-on-one. If you start doubling on him and doubling him and everybody else and not making shots, you're not going to win games. It's not going to happen. So when you start doing that, what's it going to do? If my superstar passing the ball and my other supporters start making buckets, then what's the coach going to start saying? Man superstar passing the ball, and my other supporters are making buckets, then what the coach

is going to start saying? Man, don't leave him. Don't leave him. We can't do it. But when your superstar go one-on-one, it's hard to guard a superstar. One-on-one. Ain't nobody going to guard nobody and stop nobody one-on-one. Is it like with you, Chad? And with you, Chadwick?

And they got a single coverage on y'all? Y single couples on y'all? Y'all getting y'all? That's just like a fifth street. Y'all, I mean, like, going out there and picking something. Boy, I'm going to kill y'all every time I see y'all. One-on-one, I'm going to get everything on y'all. So then y'all got to get double.

Then who are we going to go to next? We're going to go to another man, and we're going to start killing them. That's how the game goes. I got to get double. Then who are we going to go to next? We're going to go to another man and we're going to start killing them. That's how the game goes. And if you don't have that supportive pass, it's not going to work. It's not going to work in this league right now

because these dudes are too athletic and they can get it. So that's who are winning games now because they're athletic. And they're not making shots. And they, and they, and they not make, they make his shots and our superstars don't have to work as hard as they do. Very.

Yeah. Hey, when I, when I looked at the next game, obviously, uh, watching the Lakers play, um,

with, with Luca having a good game and then doing what he did, LeBron doing what he did early in the game, and they had contributions from everybody else. Obviously, the bench didn't score and support the top, their big three, as you so want to call it in a sense, but the Wolves having 20 off the bench and then having goddamn Ant-Man go crazy tonight with 43,

you know, nine and six, you know, that's what he's supposed to do. And you can't say or have a reason. We know LeBron is 40. You know, we understand that. He's still playing the game, especially in a time like this. It ain't no time to come out. It ain't nothing.

You can't come out. You've got to play the whole game, but you have to contribute more in that time, in crunch time, in order for your team to win. You got to. Legs tired, legs feeling good, it don't matter. That's just what it is. So we can't make excuses for them.

They don't do nothing anyway. They don't practice. They don't do nothing. They ain't tired. You know what I'm saying? And what I tell y'all is, is, sadly, he might be be 40 but he's still doing what he do in his league

when you do what you do in his league and don't get no support and everybody keep focusing on you and beat you down you're gonna get tired but you ain't got no support from nobody who making shots that free me up then that's gonna happen

both of them can have 38, 27, whatever they want to, but at the end, if ain't nobody doing nothing but us two, all we got to do is focus on you two. And then what's going to happen? You two ain't, my other people ain't doing no cash.

You see Minnesota came off the bench and had support. So when it got time for the crucial time, you can't go and double Edwards because I'm worried about these dudes off the bench. I'm worried about Julius Randle. I'm worried about Nas Reed. I'm worried about McDaniels.

I'm worried about Devin Chimzo. And Reed made a big three at the end, three minutes, two of them, you're right, and busted him. So now, am I worried about him? Yes, I'm worried about him. So I can't go and say, no, I ain't going to try to guard him because he's going to make shots.

So that's freed up everybody. And with LeBron and Luka, you can't say that. It ain't going to work like that. We just going to double them and hope that when it go to this other player, he gonna miss shots. And what did the Lakers do? They missed shots. Yeah. LeBron

had zero points in the first, in the fourth quarter. Luka had one rebound, two assists. It's his fewest rebounds and assists ever in a playoff game. The bench, Nas Reed had 12, Devin Nas Reed had 12, Devin Chinzo had six, Lakers, excuse me,

Devin Chinzo had eight, and the Lakers had six. And so it seems to me that they were like, you know what, we're content. We're going to make you, we'll let you score. Yeah.

But what we're not going to do is let you get 38 and eight assists, 38 and 10 assists, because now the others are involved, and that played right into their hands. You see, if you look at Ant-Man, what did Ant-Man have today? Ant-Man had 43 and 6 assists. Yeah.

You see? He got others involved. If you see assists, people are like, well, why he didn't have no assists? Well, I would have had a double digits in assists if God could have made shots. Yeah. Luka smoked two layups. LeBron smoked the layup.

Austin Reeves smoked the layup. When you're playing a team like this, you have to cash in on every opportunity. Every opportunity. Let's make another case for this. Look at the Denver game yesterday against the Clippers.

You see the Joker. He was killing, right? They all tried to go and go at him on the last second, 99-99. He go and take a fadeaway three. They worried about him. Everybody worried about him. And then the air ball and who make the final

dunk to win the game? Aaron Gordon. Okay, so that's what I'm trying to tell y'all. We got to understand that other role players got to be that type of guy. With this Denver stuff, that's what it is. And he wind up

with, what, 30-something, 20-something rebounds to a kind of serious man. Yeah, he had like 36, 26, 21, and 8. And that's what it's all about. Your role players have to be with you in this day of era, in this basketball game, to win basketball games.

It is what it is. Check this stat out. GP, check this stat out. Nas Reed, in the fourth quarter of this series, has 26 points. He's 9 of 10 in field goal. He's 6 of 6 from 3 in clutch. The last five minutes of the ballgame, Ocho, the game is within five points. That's what they consider clutch time.

He's 6 of 6 from the 3 in clutch situation. He's 9 of 10 for the floor with 26 points. I mean, you talk about Jordan, you talk about Colby, whomever. They've never been like this. You talk about a guy that's missed one shot. He's perfect from the three. And that's what we're talking about

also here, man. These type of dudes you have to have on your team. You remember the Lakers had Robert Horry who did a thing and they date. You know what I'm saying? When you have a big shot at the big shot,

you want a guy. And I tell people as I coach now in junior college, I say you want to be on the floor with six minutes. You're the closer. You're the closer. I want you to make big shots. For with him and Reed,

what was he last year? Sixth man of the year. You feel what I'm saying? He coming in and making these big time shots and that's what you want from these dudes and that's the way you're going to win championships. That's the only way you're going to win championships in this NBA.

Okay, well listen, now that we got all that good good stuff out the way let's talk about the meat and potatoes of this series and what's going on right now the Lakers are down 3-1 and in GP GP you could probably attest to this and have a better answer but I'm sure Unc you probably know as well being that your knowledge and and and and acumen of the game of basketball is good. Do you see any scenario at all, any type of magical situation where the Lakers come back? They're going seven, Ocho. The GP, I see GP shaking his head. They're going seven.

Wait, so you still feel there's a possibility that the Lakers can come back down from three-one? They're going seven. Stop it. Man, you can bet a dinner on this. Bet it. I run it. Run it. Run it.

Anywhere you want to go, man. I'm with it. I'm with that. There's no way the Lakers going to beat them three in a row. Ain't no way. No possible way. We're going seven games. We're going seven games.

They're not going to beat them. Going seven. Because guess what? We got to see the problem that JJ ran into is that LeBron had just played 38, 40 minutes a night ago. And then you follow that up. Now, the best thing about this, they don't play again until Wednesday. So LeBron get an extra day.

Luka get an extra day. We got this. We're going to go back to Minnesota. Hold on, hold on. We're going to get that one, and then we come back to L.A. So are we saying the fact that they're losing is because their legs are tired? No, no, no. I'm saying, no, no, no, no, no.

That's a good team, but I'm saying, Ocho, when you play, just imagine how your legs feel. Just imagine if you had to play a football game on Monday, and then you had to play another one on Wednesday. Not Thursday. Monday, Wednesday. Yeah, I'd be good. I'm talking about me.

No, you wouldn't. I don't know about nobody else. Yeah, you would. But you'd be good at 40 playing wide receiver. Me? I'd be good. I'd be good. I'm talking about me. I don't know about nobody else. Yeah, you would. But you'd be good at 40 playing wide receiver. Me? I think you would. I think you would. Yeah, yeah.

I'd be good. Hold on. We're talking about at 40. Our mentality is different, though. You got it. See? Our mentality is different than that, though. You can't compare them keys to us.

You know what I'm saying? Our mentality is way different. But, GP, you can have a mentality all you want to. That body, no. The mind willing, the body just ain't able to get up and down. He played 46 minutes. I'm going to get a cool. I'm going to kick it. I'm going to get my legs right. I ain't going

to practice. I ain't doing none of that. I'm going to come back and give you 50. I'm telling you right now. First of all, these dudes got a lot, but you got to understand, they lost in L.A. They lost in L.A. Minnesota came in and defended home.

It's going to be hard for you to beat them. They're going to go to L.A., Minnesota, L.A. Minnesota ain't going to lose at home. I'm guaranteeing that. We got them. We supposed to have took two of them. We supposed to have took both of them. We got this, GP. We got that little bit. Okay, I got there. We got them. We spoke. We actually, we spoke. They had to talk to it. We spoke. That took both of them.

We got this GP. We got that. I got you. Hold on. Well, wait, hold on. We all,

we all have a bed, right? We all have a bed. And you talk about this in a bed. Is there a certain amount? Is there a certain restaurant you can and can't? You want to go, man?

Yeah, we got this. You know what I'm saying? Cause I'm coming on three, one game coming back like that. They hold we got this. I'm confident on 3-1 they ain't coming back like that. They hold me messed up. Now you know if anybody

know how to come back from a 3-1 deficit GP. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. But look what I'm telling you yeah. Yeah. I'm saying. But look at how I'm telling you.

I did. But that ain't going to happen. That ain't going to happen. Look, Shannon, this ain't no mentality of us. I'm going to tell you one time, man. These dudes ain't cut like that, man. I don't care what you're saying. Matter of fact.

They ain't cut like us, man. They ain't cut like, man, I'm going to go, man. We going to bust them for three games. No, these dudes want to go on vacation, man. You know what I'm saying? I'm just going to hear our comments, man. Look here. They ain't doing nothing.

Yeah. I want to make a sad, I want to make a sad bet. I can make a sad bet? No, you won't. You can't make no bet. Oh, for sure. What?

All right, that's true. Oh, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm no, I'm with you. I'm with you. Because Santa said you can't make a bet because you already owe something. What you already owe?

Listen, listen, listen, listen, I'm doing right by him. I owe him $5,200, right? But as long as I owe him $5,200 plus 15%. Okay. But you're not the bank. You can't add, you can't add that

much. Yes, you can. How? Let me ask you a question. Have you ever gone to the bank and borrowed money without paying interest on the money? I ain't never borrowed no money from the bank. We ghetto, man. You can't do it like we in the mafia.

You can't do all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let that go, man. Let that 50 cents go. I got to put some juice on it. Hey, GP, I got to put a little juice on it. Yeah, I know. It's a bit too low.

You know what I'm saying? Get your bottle of something, man, and let that go. I mean, listen, GP, I'm just trying to give him a chance to double his money. I don't want to double it. I just want that one I got. I just want to double it. Double or nothing. Double or nothing.

Double or nothing. Chad, I got to go with Shannon, man. Just give me 52. All right. Yeah, all that doubling. Okay, okay. And I didn't. Okay.

How you want to double? He want to double up my money. You can't do that. Hey, bank. Hey, bank. I know I owe you. I know I owe you a couple hundred thousand, but live another. Hey, double or nothing.

Love me another couple hundred thousand. I'm just saying, listen, I'm giving you an opportunity to double your money. So when I do pay you, you have more than what you was going to get in the first place. That ain't bad. Well, considering that I haven't got what I was supposed to be getting at the end of the season, the likelihood of me getting that double ain't happening either. Now, I told you when I see you, I'm going to pay you. That's all.

59.80. You owe me 59.80 plus that 15%. Ooh, 59. It went from 52 to 59?80. You owe me 59.80 plus that 15%. It went from 52 to 59? I don't know. In this economy? Well, I don't know. Thank you. I need my money in this economy.

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Magic Johnson questioned the strategy. I'm just sick to my stomach that the Lakers lost this game after being in control most of the second half. I don't know if it's smart to play LeBron and Luka the entire second half after only having one day rest between game three and four. We needed LeBron to take over in the fourth quarter, and he couldn't. He scored zero points in the fourth. I agree.

I agree. The refs missed a trip. Luka got tripped. I mean, that was a blatant trip. He doesn't fall on his own. We watched it. He gets tripped. So we should have been at the free throw line.

Yes. Luka missed a smoke delay up that would have put him up seven. They come down here to three. So now, instead of being up seven, you're only up 2 you see how momentum swing, LeBron missed the layup

had to come out of timeout, had a great curl set smoked that layup AR smoked the layup it's just, look I think it was, LeBron said he don't want to make excuses but GP, when you ask that man to do what the man had,

he had the most rebounds of anybody that touched the court today. He had the most assists of anybody that touched the court today. He had the most blocked shots. He had the most steals. Well, no, even Chinzo had the most steals. But you're talking about a 40-year-old. Yeah. Been letting rebounds, letting blocked shots, letting assists.

You're asking a 40-year-old. Think about what you're asking a 40-year-old. A 40-year-old. Yeah. Been letting rebounds, letting block shots, letting assists. You're asking a 40. Think about what you're asking a 40-year-old. A 40-year-old. What you're asking him to do. And Shannon, I'm going to comment on that. We own a freak of a nature job to do. I get what you're saying about we ask. He's different.

He's a lot different. I don't agree with him not getting no rest in the second half I think you rest him for 2 or 3 or 4 minutes each quarter rest him for like 2 or 3 minutes and bring him back and do the same thing but what I do with JJ

I'm going to go to JJ Reddy's defense he was saying I can't lose this game I'm going to go with my player who I think is going to give me something. You know what I'm saying? He shouldn't have did that. And timeouts don't cut it sometimes. It don't work.

I would have gave him three to four minutes or five minutes every quarter. I would have did five minutes and then still controlled it. I get what Magic is saying. You know what I'm saying? Give him his legs. I would have gave him third quarter. I would have said he'd

fight it six minutes and then played him the whole fourth quarter. You know what I'm saying? That's what I would have did. It was a bad decision on his behalf, but I think what JJ is thinking as the first year. He needed that. He got to get this game.

And it didn't work out for him. Now what he's going to go back, he's going to reevaluate everything. He's going to give him rest because they need this win in LA on Wednesday. And I think they're going to get the win on LA on Wednesday. They're going to get it. But I'm just saying.

He should have evaluated that a little bit different. I don't think it's legs and all that. I think he got tired, and they went away from everything that they did. To me, you go put LeBron on the block, see if they're going to go Gumbly, let him guard one-on-one and go at it. You know what I'm saying? And if you watch the game, it's that two-high, watch Luka, watch LeBron,

I focus on all of y'all. Put him on the block. Let him come down there and double. You know what I'm saying? And do things like that, but they don't play that way. Y'all know that, Shannon and Chad. This game ain't like a...

If I see you and Chad on a disadvantage, man, I'm going to want y'all to play every day. I'm going to play every day. Until they stop it. Until they stop it. And with me,

with LeBron being 6'8", 2'6", I'm going to put you on the block. I'm not going to put you on top where everybody can focus in on you and we can suck in. Right. Put you on the block. I'm not going to put you on top where everybody can focus in on you and we can suck in. Put you on the block, and if you've got to come down with me, let me kick it to somebody, hit a jumper,

then you're going to start being irrelevant that way. And they didn't play that game. I knew LeBron was going to play a ton of minutes today because he normally takes his break at about 6 minutes, 6.30. He didn't take his break today until about 4 minutes. He got two minutes and then he was right back in the game and he didn't come out again. So I knew it was going to be one of those and I texted Ash. I said, Ash, first of all, I knew they were in trouble, GP. LeBron is going off. Luka is going off and they got a four-point lead. Let that sink in now. All my artillery.

Right. And I only got a four-point lead and these guys are going haywire in the first half. So that's not good because normally when guys going off, that's a 10, that's a 12, 14-point lead. You got both of your big guns. Mm-hmm. And Minnesota's right there.

So they got to feel good. And as a matter of fact, they had a three-point lead at the half. They're like, hold on. LeBron had 22. Luka got 21. That's 43 right there. And we still got the lead? Are we good?

It's the same thing with the Lakers when they lost to the Nuggets when LeBron went crazy in the first half. He had like 30, 32 points. You remember that game? In the first half, they're like, oh, he done. He done spent his money lawn he blew his load we got this yeah he ended up he had 32 at the half uh ended up having 40 for the game because he exerted so much and it wasn't enough to get the separation that he needed luke and lebron exerted so much lebron i think lebron had five points in the third quarter, none in the fourth quarter.

But they did a great job of taxing him. And because, I think a lot of this GP, because LeBron is so tired, they like, he's not even a threat when he's on the block because that's normally Julius Randle. Julius Randle takes a lot out of you because he's a big body guy.

He wants to bang on you. He's going to bang you. When you're playing defense on him, he's going going to bang you. When you're playing defense on him, he's going to bang on you. When you're playing defense on him, he's going to bang on you. So it's just bang, bang, bang. And after a while, that takes that. That's. Let me tell you this. Even doing that.

Why did I get even five? Let him bang, bang, bang. I go at him, spin on him bang, bang me, man. I'd go at him, spin on him, do the things you do. But that means you got to work the game the right way. Y'all remember when I played. Give me the ball on the block.

I want you to bang on me because I'm going to spin on you and I'm going to kill you every day. You know what I'm saying? So you got to get to that level where LeBron has to learn don't bang, bang, bang. Work with him.

Get Randall out of the game because what's the next person that's going to come in that game on Minnesota's bench that can handle me? Not too many people. Not too many people. So that's being coach and being smart. That's why I say nowadays IQ ain't in this game. It's all about athletic ability. This ain't no IQ game right now.

I'm going to tell everybody. Ain't too many guys in here got IQs like that. You know what I'm saying? LeBron don't have to bang that boy. If he hit me one time on my back, spin on him, get a foul, get him in foul trouble,

then what's going to happen? You're going to suck. You're going to suck. And ain't nobody going to come off that bench that's going to handle LeBron who's muscling and bullying him. But when you get a guy who's checked out and he's tired.

Let's say again, Shannon, let's think about the last play of the game what LeBron did he turned the ball over again he turned the ball over they can't get why can't they get the ball in bounds because we've seen so many times guys

does anybody know how to hard cut does anybody know how to set a back feet what about just putting your forearm on the man and just push and get off and throw the ball down that way? Why you don't do that? And then if they try to double me, what are you going to do? I'm going to get the ball to the

next dude and post it up. I'm telling you once again, IQ. IQ in this game. If you want to get me the ball, I'm going to get the ball. As fast as we can go to the backcourt, I'm going to hold you off, push you off, and you throw that ball out there, and I'm going to go get it.

I'm going to go get it. Don't try to make one of them heroic passes that you see, man. These dudes is not having IQs like that. They don't have IQs like that. Hey, hold on. But both of y'all said the same thing, right? You and Unc got a friendly demo. You say Lakers

gonna lose. Well, both of you came to the party and both said hell, the Lakers might win, are gonna win Wednesday. You said they're gonna win the game Wednesday, GP. So if they can win the game Wednesday, if they can win one, they can win two. But I don't think that, but you're gonna exert, Chad, you're gonna exert a lot.

Then you go home against a team that's in Minnesota that plays well at home. They play well at home. I get it. You're going to exert all your time. But think about the odds of everything. Who came back from a 3-1 series deficit and win as many games as they win? They're not going to win three in a row. I'm just not going to say that. I can't do it.

You know why? You lost two games in Minnesota, you lost one game at home, and you lost the first game, Chad, at home. So what do you think now, and what have Shannon said? Shannon said they're getting old, legs are tired, they got two days off

what you gonna do how you gonna work that out alright it's your mindset that I'm gonna try to win this Chad I'm gonna ask you again

do you think they mindset is saying we gonna come back and win three in a row they not doing that they talking about going home

they talking about going to to Cancun. You know what I'm saying? And we'll work with it next year. You feel what I'm saying? I'm just saying, it's going to be hard for the Lakers to win three in a row against this young, tall team that Shannon has just told you.

People are coming off the bench, doing what they do. You feel what I coming off the bench doing what they do. You feel what I'm saying? And do what they do. And we're thinking about the NBA. The NBA don't want it to be like Oklahoma City go full blank. They trying to get TV, TV,

uh, Yeah, yeah. Y'all, y'all, y'all cutting to the truck and money. You know what I'm saying, man? I ain't gonna keep that. I'm just gonna do whatever. I'm gonna call to keep that. I'm just going to do whatever. I'm going to call them calls that I have to call, whatever, whatever.

And you got to think about it, though, Chad. Who do you think is more talented? What team do you think was more talented, Chad? Minnesota or Lakers? Minnesota. They're not going to do that, man. And people coming off the bench, doing what they do. Shannon just told you their bench

is being more productive than a Lakers bench. That's what it comes down to. It's who going to be the people that support that superstar Cans. I think Minnesota got that. Dang.

Yeah, I agree. And that's the thing. They were so close. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And that's the thing. I mean, they were so close. They had a 10-point lead. I'm not so sure with a 10-point lead. I think I tried to give LeBron two minutes to start the fourth. We got a lead.

Well, Chad, I say like this, like with the Warriors. Subbing three minutes, bringing him in, subbing at seven. He got five minutes on the clock, then he back in the fourth quarter. Let him play the whole fourth quarter. You see what I'm saying? Yeah,

that's how you got to do it. But I just don't think that chemistry is right when you got two guys on both sides, eyesore and a basketball, and you're watching them play basketball.

That's not a good deal for me. It's just like what we did when we played basketball. We put it in the post and let our big man dominate. You don't get him. He's going to score every time. But if he starts scoring, we're going to double him. And what do our big men do?

Kick it. And we get easy buckets and we rotate, rotate and make people rotate. That ain't the game nowadays. We're just talking about shooting threes, one-on-one ISO, trying to do what we do, and it don't work. If you don't have that cast that's making them big-time

shots, which Minnesota did today, they made big-time shots, and it don't work. It won't work. It just won't work. Lakers definitely got their work cut out for them. They're going to have to play hopefully, I don't know

if you can get another 25 point game out of Rui Hachimura. Rui was sensational today. This is by far his best game in the playoffs and he played extremely well. I don't know if you're going to be able to get because he was 5 of 10, he was 9 of 16, played 41 minutes, gave you 23 points.

LeBron was 27, 12, 8, 3, 3. Austin Reeves, he came in and he didn't play and he was terrible. He got in foul trouble. He was terrible in the first half. 17, 17, 7, and 4. I can live with that. I like having something spread out. 17-7-4. I can live with that.

I like having something spread out. But Julius Randle started that game off. He was extremely aggressive. And that's his game. He's an aggressive player. He's going to try to put the ball on the floor. He's going to put pressure. He's going to attack the rim.

Jaden McDaniels didn't start off strong, but down the stretch, he made all the hustle plays. He got the A-1. He made a big-time three. Ant-Man was Ant-Man, but it was Nas Reed and Don DeVincenzo. DeVincenzo getting a rebound, knocking down a three. You get Nas Reed knocking down two big threes. DeVincenzo getting an A-1.

And I thought, I was like, you know what, because DeVincenzo got a one and LeBron Skyde was like, oh, the old man still got some juice in the tank. Oh, GP. I just think the thing is, yeah, they were tired, but Ant-Man he said he's dreamed his

whole life of these moments. And you can tell. 12 of 23, 5 of 10 from the three-point line, 14 of 17, 9 rebounds, 6 assists, and he only had one turnover. Well, Chad and Shannon, he told you

something. When he started shooting threes, playing his Steph Curry, and he said, man, I was in the game shooting threes. What has he came back and did? He said, I'm going to shoot more threes this year. And look at his percentage come over the threes. His confidence is way here.

When you give a player like that, that type of ability to do that and become that type of player, put him on an Olympic team. Getting that type of ability to become a superstar, a real superstar. Yeah. And he make his shots and he get confident. It's hard to stop a superstar, a real superstar. Yeah. And he make his shots and he get confident. It's hard to stop a basketball player like that. And he has proven it.

He has proven it that he is the primary player to be that NBA player and take over this league. And that's what he's doing every day after them games. And he's doing his poster. All he's doing is smiling because he know he's doing. Every day after them games, and he's doing his poster, all he's doing is smiling because he knows it's easy.

It's easy for him. It's easy. And that's what he's doing. And he's showing you that he can put this team on his back. They thought when they got rid of the cat that it was going to be all over. No. That boy took this game to another level and did what he do.

And they did six seed beating the third seed. That's what these teams is. That's why I tell everybody, stop talking about these seeds and all that with these 82 games. That is just crap to me. I don't care about any of that.

You got to go play in these playoffs and get out. And they're showing the Lakers that I don't care what seed you are, we're going to go get at you and then get out. The thing is that when you look at it, GP, is that because he can shoot the three, you got to hug up on him. And now he can go by you. You see what he's going by? He's going to kick or he's going all the way to the rim.

So it's like, okay, I'm going to play off him. Hand down, man down, Mark Jackson. And so now he's got that three ball in his bag. He always had the ability to go around you and finish over top of you. So how do I defend him? If I give him too much airspace, he's going to rise up and shoot. He's going to raise up and shoot the three. If I hug up on him to take

away the three, he's going to go by me and finish on top of me. So, I mean, you're at his mercy. And you're saying the same thing with Steph Curry. Steph Curry used to be he'd settle for the three. Now you see Steph put the ball on the floor and get to his flow game. And then, Shannon, you think about that. When I was at the

game last night, what Houston tried to do to Steph Curry was doubling every time. I kept screaming. I said, get him off the ball. Don't let him double. Let him come off the baseline and do like Reggie Miller or Rip Hamilton, and they had his mercy. Soon as they did that, Houston fell apart.

They fell apart. But what did the Warriors do? They had other people who made shots and did things that they do. Because once, and then what Curry did, he started being one-on-one and then he started being Curry. He liked PlayStation.

Everything you see is PlayStation. Everything you see is PlayStation. He started cooking and he started hitting shots and then they started doing it and he started making the right pass and then they started finishing and they started saying, man, what can I do? When they started finishing,

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