Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Lakers Lose Game 1 to Timberwolves + Bucks in trouble!

Episode Date: April 20, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson and NBA Legend Joe Johnson react to Round 1 of the NBA Playoffs featuring, LeBron James, Luka Doncic, and the Los Angeles Lakers taking on Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves, Nikola Jokic and the Denver Nuggets beating Kawhi Leonard, James Harden, and the Los Angeles Clippers, Giannis Antetokounmpo and the Milwaukee Bucks falling to Tyrese Haliburton and the Indiana Pacers, Jalen Brunson and the New York Knicks beating Cade Cunningham and the Detroit Pistons, and much more!06:50 - Timberwolves vs. Lakers26:12 - Knicks vs. Pistons33:19 - Nuggets vs. Clippers43:30 - Pacers vs. Bucks59:30 - Suns looking to build defense in offseason(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah. And blow the game open. Well, actually, they took over in the second quarter, and blow the game open. Well, actually they took over in the second quarter and blew the game wide open. Outscored the Lakers by 18 in the second quarter after being down by seven, and they really never look back after that, and they win

117 to 95. It was a balanced effort. You got 16 from Julius Randle, 25 from Jayden mcdaniels who was 11 to 13 303 from the three uh ant-man he wasn't efficient shooting the ball but he was dominant as his normal self 22 points and it was nods reed coming off the bench 8 or 12 from the field 6 or 9 from the three 23 points uh Lakers, with the exception of Luka, nobody really played well.

And in order for them to get back in this series, because the home team has lost home court in the first game, and normally that's not what you want to see, but they still got a ways to go. This is an absolute muscle Monday night, Joe. They've got to get this game.

But LeBron, AR, and they got to get some help from the bench. But watching this game, tell me, what did you like about what you saw from Minnesota, and what didn't you like about what you saw from the Lakers? I just, I smell trouble for the Lakers, man.

You know, we've seen the Minnesota Timberwolves being in this position, knocking off teams, whether it was Phoenix, whether it was Denver. So, and man, he known to go into somebody else's building, you know, stick up some wins, play very effective basketball. Even though he didn't shoot well, I thought he put so much pressure on the rim and created so many other opportunities for other guys. But, man, if you got Nas Reed and McDaniels going to shoot like that from three,

you in trouble. You're going to be in trouble. It's going to be hard for you to win that game. So, you know, those guys were very efficient tonight, and they just outplayed the Lakers. The Lakers looked lethargic. They just didn't. Outside of Luka having that great first run, outside of that,

they just looked like they were stuck in mud a little bit to me. Yeah, they didn't match. They need to understand, this is the playoffs. This ain't no regular season. It's different. And they didn't come out, you know, they came out really good in the first quarter, but that second quarter, and we know the Lakers, after watching them all year, Joe,

they're going to have a quarter where they take it completely off. Now, it's normally the third or the fourth quarter. It's not normally the first half. It's normally they come out at the half or the fourth quarter. But we saw this turn of events in the second quarter where they ended up giving up 38 points. After giving up 21 in the first quarter, they gave up 38, and then they gave up another 35 in the third quarter. So they gave up, what is that, 73 points in two quarters. Ocho, watching this game, what was your takeaway? Listen, first off, you know, the Lakers didn't come out and match the Wolves in intensity, huh? Nope.

Listen, on both sides of the court, there was no intensity. They didn't play defense very well. Nobody played well in the Lakers offensively outside of Lucas. So if LeBron is off, then if LeBron is off and Lucas is on,

somebody else has to come. It got to be A.R. It got to be Rui. It got to be somebody has to have some points collectively as a group if your starters aren't fine or all cylinders.

Ant-Man doesn't have a good game? Hell, Reed comes off the bench, and he cut the fool. McDaniel's playing well. It was just a bad game all around for the Lakers in general. And normally, when you have home court advantage, and you plan at home, you don't want the away team to steal a game at home.

You don't want that. So they already put themselves out in a hole. So Monday night, like you said, they got to have it. If they lose Monday night's game, they're going to be in a heap of trouble. Hey, you see,

you see, it's hard to play Jackson Hayes when you're switching all the picking roles and you ain't giving up the lob threats. Yeah. Pressure on the rim. It is. And plus the thing, I think they're switching.

They're too easy switching. I mean, as soon as the guy starts to show, they go ahead and switch it. No, bro. Fight. Fight on the top. Don't give up. You copping out. You listening out on us.

Don't do that. Hey, Benny Smith, don't know. Don't pass that off to Gabe Benson. Don't pass that off to Luca Benson Don't pass that off to Luca No, fight through that Them little soft picks they send to Joe Come on, bro You got to go harder than that now Because it's easy

Oh, you just back away You go ahead and take it That's what Ed want And you see, they keep calling They keep calling Luca Nah, we want Luca And they're going to keep No matter who he's guarding

They try to put him on the weekend. Man, they're putting, they're putting, what's the boy's name? Rudy Gobert. Man, they're bringing Rudy Gobert down there at the damn half court to set a pick because they're like, hey, we want, whoever Luca's guarding, you're going to be the pick guy. Right. Or Gabe Benson because he's, Gabe is what, six foot tall?

We were lucky. And so, but they got to fight. I think they just got to fight hard on the pick. Now, look, if a team going to be knocking down those threes like they're knocking down, it's going to be tough. Yeah. It's going to be tough. It's not like the Lakers shot particularly bad from the three. But when you let a team shoot 20, make 21 of them, and they shoot 50%, they shoot 50% from the floor.

When you got your work cut out they couldn't get no stops couldn't get none no you're right you're absolutely right so you keep taking the ball out the net man it's gonna you know slow our offense down a little more you know they already a little small so you know through movement it's great for them so you gotta use

misses it's like fast breaks and they've been great at that but hey man Timberwolves wasn't missing tonight them boys locked in I liked it but uh who's misses is like fast breaks. And they've been great at that. But, hey, man, them boys wasn't missing tonight. Them boys locked in. I liked it. But, uh... The only way the Lakers were going to fight

if I had any chance, I have any chance of getting back in this game, is they were going to have to steal points and transition. That was the only way. And they wasn't able to do that. Well, they just have to get some stops. And like Joe said, when you're taking the ball out of the net,

they couldn't get any stops. Because a couple of times they forced a miss, but you don't realize you've done nothing until you gain possession of the basketball. So even if you force a miss, if you don't gain possession of the basketball, you've done absolutely nothing. And they wind them down a couple of times late in the clock, and they hit some threes. Joe, you know, it's demoralizing, especially in your building building if you wind them down and you got them shooting the ball with one two seconds

on the clock and they splashing threes or they're making us that i mean you're like damn well what i gotta do bro i bet come on now we don't wind them down we took them out grind them to the nub and they didn't make any shots like that uh they got a big boost uh devon chimzo hit that shot at that that was a yeah that was a big boost going in for Chimzo hit that shot at right at the half. Yeah, that was a big boost going in for them because at that point, they were down eight. Now they go down 11. And to start the third, they go on like a 10-2 run.

So now all of a sudden, you know, what could have been an eight-point game is now a 21-point lead. But they've got to do a better job. Look at this. Rui, minus 26. LeBron, minus 22. Jackson Hayes only played eight minutes. He was minus 11. Luka, minus 12. AR, minus 25. Dorian Finney-Smith,

minus 11. Vanderbilt, minus two. You ain't winning like that. You can't. So now if you're Minnesota, now you try to be a little greedy. Yeah, I'm trying to get sweet snakes. I'm trying to take both of them. You didn't do what you wanted to do. You just

wanted to get one win. You got the first one. Why not be a little greedy? Why not go in the second one? And you know this, Joe. Normally, that first one is the easiest to win because especially if the team has been laying off. You've got to realize the Lakers have been off for eight days. Yeah.

Yeah. And so, you know, and they didn't play the – LeBron didn't play the last game in Portland. So they've been off a little longer. But normally the first game is the one that you try to steal on the road. Once we get that, we say, well, hey, we here. Hell, we might as well get another one. You know what I'm saying?

You might as well just try to go get that second one while we're here. And guess what? We won't even have to bring our ass back to L.A. if we go ahead and handle our business in Minnesota. So the next game in L.A. too, yeah? Yeah. Yes. Yes, Monday night.

Draft Kings no longer have, let's see what it says okay uh the timberwolves knocked down a playoff record 21 threes draft kings no longer have the lakers as the series favorite now minnesota is minus 135 the lakers are 115 plus 115 poor performance with magic has criticism coach jj. Redick did a great job all season, but he didn't do a good job for game one. The Lakers stood around on offense, played too much one-on-one basketball, and didn't make any necessary adjustments.

Tonight was one of the Lakers' worst performance this season. They were flat, had no energy, and they played like it was a regular season game. All the things that we just spoke about, Magic just highlighted, so clearly you and I, and we know what we're talking about here on Nightcap. Stephen A., I don't know why you had to tag me. This ain't got nothing to do with you, man.

Someone just texted me a message to send directly to add Shanna Sharp. Triple A, NWA. I don't care what Shanna has to say. Lakers ain't winning in five. Hey, hold on. Wait a minute now. This is a good question, and I'm going to pose this question to you. Now, you had Lakers in five.

Now, based on what you saw tonight, how confident are you in the Lakers winning this series still? Look, Lakers in five rolls off the tongue. It don't sound as good as Lakers in seven. It don't sound as good as Lakers in seven. It don't sound as good as Lakers in six. But I feel very confident. If it's six, seven, it don't matter. Lakers in five.

But what Magic said, if you watch them, they were standing around Minnesota getting offensive rebounds, kick out three. Put them in the pick and roll. Like I said, they just got to do a better job of fighting over that pick. You just can't give up that easy. If you do that, they're going to keep doing it. Fight over that, Finney.

Fight over that, Vanderbilt. You've got to make it a little bit more difficult on the offensive end. Minnesota has the ball. Defensively, Lakers, you're going to have to be a little tougher than what you showed tonight. This is not nearly good enough. LeBron, this

notion, as you get older, it gets harder and harder to get in the rhythm. You see, he had no points in the first quarter. Had 10 in the second. Gave you three or four in the third. You can't do that. Because, I get it. You want to let Luka, and Luka can get going.

But in the process, but at what cost? You get Luka going, and now A.R. and Ron don't have no rhythm. Now, look, if you just look at the numbers, they got 72, which is about what they would average in the regular season. But when you don't get any production from your bench, remember we talked about this, Joe. Fannie Smith needs to give us 8-10 off the bench. Gabe Benson needs to give us 6-8 off the bench.

Vanderbilt gives us 4-6 off the bench. Rui, you can't play 30 minutes and give us nine points. We need a little better than that. And so, look, I'm not overly concerned, but, hey, I'm like, okay, now. I'm sure JJ's like, look, we didn't play nowhere close to our best. Now, what you've done is given them confidence that they can come in and beat our ass on our court, in our building. Let's not play around.

Let's go ahead and get game two. Because you don't want to be in a situation, Joe, a bad pass or a missed call. Now you're down 0-2 going back to Minnesota. And you got to get two to make this thing a series. So, look, the Lakers didn't play well. They know, look, 47 points in the second half. They got 30 in the third.

They got 17 points. And they got it. They cut it down. It was like one point, it was 27. They got it all the way down to 12, Joe. But they couldn't sustain it. The Temple Wolves just seemed more desperate. You know what I mean?

It was like they understood the moment and they understood, you know, the now. Like, all right, we got to get one. And they gained the momentum. Like I said, after Luka went on that run in the first quarter. That was it. It was pretty much lethargic the whole game, bro. It's like they were just out there floating.

And Minnesota just played with more grit and grind, and they was effective. But that's the thing, though, Joe. It's like, yeah, if you look at the Lakers, Luka's going to have a big quarter in the first half. It's either going to be the first quarter or it's going to be the second quarter. But he's going to get off one of those. Yeah. And that's why it's no surprise when you look up,

he's got 20 points at the half. Because normally he's going to go somewhere between 10 to 14 in a quarter. Right. Now, if it's the first quarter, okay, he's going to get like between 10 to 14 in a quarter right now if it's the first quarter okay he's going to get like a four to five minute break to start the second and it gets him out of a rhythm hell hey he getting going like that joe i'll be typically hey go back in there for the first two to three minutes i'll get you i'll get you a rest i'll get you a rest a little later because because he cooled down substantially

in the second quarter. He called for our game. But at that point in time, when you down like they were down and Lucas going bucket for bucket with Ant or McDaniels or Naz Reed, you're really not doing anything. Yeah. I mean, LeBron going to have to take over. He's going to have to take over the next game and take over early.

Most of the time, he'll relax, let Luque get his, let A.R. get his, let everybody do their thing, and then pick up. And most of the time, LeBron will be efficient when he does decide to turn it on. But he's got to do it early. He's got to start off early. Let's say, how about we not let Luque get in rhythm

and LeBron gets in rhythm first and then allows everybody to catch fire at some point. Then at that point, I think it'll make a little easier as opposed to you already being behind and you're forcing the missing shots as opposed to having to be efficient and you're already down 12, 13. Hell, at one point, when the Lakers was down, what was the most the Lakers was down? Like 27, I think. 27, almost 30 damn points. Yeah, what was the most the Lakers was down? Like 27, I think. 27? Almost 30,000 points.

Yeah, it was bad, man. It was bad. They got to pick it up, man. They got to find a way. Like I said, I think this Timberwolves team is very scary, as we all know, because they were just in the Western Conference Finals last year. I know they traded.

I know Cat was there, but Julius Randle tonight, he was effective, man. He played with grit. He played with toughness. And then, you know, those guys coming off the bench, the McDaniels, the Reeds, they won you a game. Yes.

They won you a game. So now, like I say, man, I'm looking forward to Minnesota trying to beat Greedy in game two. And plus, the thing is, Joe, I've noticed this, and I've noticed because I didn't notice it until he got to the Lakers because that was the only time that we've ever seen LeBron be injured. Yeah.

But when he has these groin injuries, he's not the same when he gets back because he's hesitant because he knows in Ocho being, and I don't know if you've ever had a groin or a hamstring injury, you know suddenness is the worst thing to happen. If you watch LeBron, no rebounds, guys are right there. He's just like, if the ball don't come directly

to him, he ain't making no sudden move to go get it. And it takes him a while, so he's really got to gather. If you go back and look at that chase down block, he to gather yeah got it he did a great job of tracking but if you watch it and i've noticed this is that he's not going to do anything sudden because he doesn't want to he had that groin injury like like uh what the last the game before that uh maybe it was the rockets game he felt that little twinge and he came out. And so,

whew! Hey, that's tough. I understand what you're saying. Because he don't, it's like he don't rebound outside his area like he normally do. You know, he's starting to break with it. Now he just kind of, like I said, that first quarter, man, it just kind of seemed like he was just kind of floating me. You know what I mean? Yes. Yes. I don't look who's

hot, but it's hard, man. Basketball is a rhythm game. You know what I mean? Brund is a rhythm player as well. And when he gets it going, we know it's hard to stop him. But him sitting back waiting until second quarter for him to scratch, that's going to be hard. We get older, like them old cars.

That new car crank rattled up. You got to pat that thing a couple times, Joe. Yeah, you got to pump them brakes on that and then you let it warm up. You don't just take off with an older car. You let that thing get going and now you

good to go. So, LeBron, it takes him a little bit wider and I think the thing is that you see now, he's getting there a little bit earlier. He's getting those shots up. He's probably staying on the court a little longer because he knows, hey, LeBron, you just go out there, give him a little 10, 15-minute

workout, he good to go. He probably out there 25, 30 minutes now. Yeah, it takes a minute. Hey, you gotta warm them old bones up, man. Once you get me on the front way, baby, I'm ready, though. I'm ready. So the Lakers lose. Minnesota go in, take game one in convincing fashion.

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Hey, I was like, man, yeah, they right there. I said, Detroit was like, man. They right there. I said, Detroit right there. Man, I went upstairs, came back down.

I was like, you know what I said? I thought of a TV glitch. So I cut the TV off and cut it back on because I said, ain't no damn way in hell. You down eight and now all of a sudden you up 13. I said, ain't no way. So I thought my TV glitched. So I cut the TV off, cut it back on, and it started spinning. I'm like, come on, TV, cut on.

TV spinning because I don't know what to do with the internet out here, man. But they did it. They went on a 21-0 run and broke the game open. This game had Cade Cunningham played better. They got some points late in the ballgame, but Cade got to be better than this. You can't have 21 points on 21 shots. Right, right.

That's not good enough. That's not good enough. He wasn't that efficient tonight, but, you know, he dished the ball out well. I don't know how they lost that game, man. I'm just like you. I'm looking at the game. That's why I turned my head. It was like, hold on. But, man, Detroit's a scary team.

I thought they played a great game, man, up until that last quarter. I don't know. They just kind of collapsed. Yeah, like the last nine minutes. The last nine minutes. They were good. They started the fourth good. But from like a five-minute stretch,

they did nothing. But when you get OG, give you 23. Cat gave you 23. Jalen Brunson gave you 34. Josh Hart, who's the utility, Swiss Army knife, he's a spoon, he's a fork, he's a knife, he's a pair of scissors, he's a screwdriver, he's a monkey wrench. He can do it all. He gave you 13, six six assists seven rebounds uh and then you get campaign who scored 11 points in uh in the fourth to go along with 14 that's that was really hard

malik beasley does what he does came in gave you uh 20 points on 6 or 12 from the three-point line but they need some of their big guns they need they, they need a, a Cade Cunningham to be a little bit more efficient. Yeah. I think, uh, okay. Cade will be better. He'll be better in game too.

Uh, but I know Detroit, but they, they still got kind of got to feel good about this, even though they lost, you know, like I said, they controlled the game and pretty much the entirety of the whole game

up until about the last eight, nine minutes. They just kind of had a collapse, but now I like this Detroit team. They play hard. It's crappy. nine minutes. They just kind of had a collapse. But, man, I like this Detroit team. They play hard. They're scrappy. Oh, man. They're a really scrappy ball club.

JB Bickerstaff got them playing. He got them believing. They believe they belong. I mean, they're not surprised that they're here. They believe it. And they play, like I said, I agree with you. I think Cade will be more efficient. Tobias Harris had one of his better playoff games.

Tim Hardaway Jr. played really well. Thompson needs to be a little bit better. Yeah, you got to be better than that. You got to be better than that. We're talking about Detroit and what they did, how they played well. The Knicks won the game. They did. And the reason they won the game towards the end,

we ain't talking about Jalen Brunson yet. He had 34-8. And I'm going to call him the conductor. I'm going to call him the conductor because the way he orchestrated at the end of that game and crucial time and made those plays. Yeah. Who's to say they don't play like that the rest of the series?

What if Detroit don't win no more goddamn games because of what Jalen Brunson was able to do? Hell, goddamn Carl Anthony Towns out there with 23, 11, and 5. OG, what is 23 and it's 7? Yeah. Who to say they don't catch heat and that momentum carries into the next game and the game after that.

Despite, you know, Cade not having the game he should have, scoring 2-0 and 2-1, obviously that's bad. He might come back and have, you know, a better not having the game he should have scoring 2-0 on 21, obviously that's bad he might come back and have a better game than that game but hell, Jaden ain't going nowhere Carl Anthony Towns ain't going nowhere Brunson, the thing that makes Brunson is that

the big moments he's at his absolute best in clutch time, they're going to put the ball in his hands, and sometimes they might go pick and roll with him and Cat, but they normally let him operate, and they trust him. Okay, whatever you do, we'll live with whatever decision that you make. And in clutch situations, I defy you to find five better players in the NBA

currently that's better than him in clutch situations. The last five minutes, the game within five. He's sensational. And that was on display again. The and one, he's great at drawing contact, Joe. Getting to the

foul line, he was 8 of 10 a night from the free throw line. 2 of 5 from 3. 34 big points. But like you said, it was the others. OG, Cat, Josh Hart was sensational. And Campaign gave you 11 in the fourth, 14 off the bench. It's going to be tough. It's going to be.

Now, look, Detroit kicking themselves because they know they're supposed to have a stole this game. But like you said, Ocho, Cat and Brunson and campaign, they're like, nah, y'all ain't gonna get this one. Nah, nah. It's the playoffs, though. It's a fine line between winning and losing at Ocho. You can be feeling confident, like you're gonna run

through the series. Yeah. It can backfire to where you be like, man, we gotta get a game, you know what I mean? Yeah. I think Detroit, like I said, I think they feel good about it. Obviously, yep, New York could go on. They could go on. They could sweep them.

But I like this matchup. Detroit and the Knicks, man. And I'm looking forward to, you know, fireworks throughout this playoffs. And this is not like Detroit. They gave up 40 points in the fourth. Yeah. 40. I mean, think about it.

They gave up 27, 30, 26, and then you go 40. That's what I mean. JB probably said, look, guys, we're a little cleaner. Hey, we gave up 40. Let's be a little better than defensive end. Hey, we're right there. This is a team.

In their building, we know how MSG gets to rocking. Guys make a few shots, but we were right there. Clean this up. I agree with you, Joe. If I'm Detroit, I feel good. I feel good. I want to win. Now, don't get me wrong.

I don't like, hey, damn, we lost. But I feel good that, hey, nine minutes to go in the game, we had an eight-point lead. It wasn't like, hey, damn, we lost. But I feel good that, hey, nine minutes to go in the game, we had an eight-point lead. It wasn't like we were down eight. We had an eight-point lead. So there's some things that we can do that I feel comfortable that we can do to get this win, get game, split this,

and go back home for two. The Nuggets beat the Clippers in OT 1-12. 1-12, 1-110 in regulation. Westbrook hit a huge three at the end of regulation, made key several defensive plays. According to ESPN Research, Clippers gave Westbrook an average of separation of almost 10 feet when he was taking three-pointers in Game 1. That's the most separation he's gotten on three-point shots in a playoff game

when taking at least five attempts since 2013-14. Russ finished with 15 points on five of 17 shooting. You just have to live. He's a guy that you're going to say, damn, come on, fuck on, Russ. What are you doing? But the one thing you'll never, ever question about Russell Westbrook is his effort every time

he gonna give you every freaking thing he got he gonna make some plays like the play like the Yoki triple-double where he blows the smokes to layup now the Nuggets got 18 seconds to get a shot

and they don't even get a shot off. Yeah. Russ, that's not like Russ, because Russ had a wide-open three. He passed it up, got caught between like, damn, what the hell I do, and the clock run out. They're like, damn, Russ. But then he comes in,

blocks the shot, challenges, gets two, gets a key steal, forces the ball off of James Harden. Russell won him this game. Yeah. Because he got like two offensive rebounds. Aaron Gordon got two key offensive rebounds, and he hit that big three to put him up, too.

Joe, what did you like about what you saw? Because the Nuggets were down by as much as what? 13? 15. Yeah, the Clippers. Habbling way back into the ballgame, and they ended up winning a very close ballgame. The Clippers was controlling the game pretty much the entirety.

You know, I do think, you know, Russ' energy and effort is definitely, it definitely helps the Nuggets, man. And I'm sure, you know, he enjoys this win, considering this game is one of his former teams. You know what I mean? So I'm sure he's happy about that. But this is going to be a long series as well. I thought the Clippers was right there to really pull away.

You look at Kawhi. He's been playing pretty good ball. James Harden was playing great ball. Like, they look good, man. They did. I think James Harden is getting great ball. They look good, man. They did. I think James Harden is getting in foul trouble. I think Zuboff is kind of getting in a little foul trouble. That kind of took James out of his game, but James was sensational.

11 of 22, 4 of 9 from the three, perfect from the free throw line. 32 points, 11 assists, 6 rebounds. Zub, 21, 13. Kawhi, 22 and 6. Kawhi really had it going early yeah he did he and jay they had it going early he couldn't miss you look good too the first quarter then i think he ended up scoring like only two points in the second quarter yeah but aaron gordon got going or late yokich is yokich yokich gonna be yokich i look. And they say, nobody defends him better than Zubac. And then you look up and you're like, hold on, damn.

The man had 29-12-9? And that guy defends him the best? Well, I hate to see the guy that defends him the worst. Zubac played a good game, too, though. Zubac had 21-13. That's what, but see, if you play against Jokic, you got to go at him on the defensive end. Yeah, you got to make him work on both ends.

But you notice, late in that ballgame, that fourth quarter, he started challenging more stuff. Whereas early in the ballgame, he wasn't challenging. And you see Harden laying the ball up. Kawhi laying the ball up. Guys were laying the ball up. Now all of a sudden, look, bro, you almost seven foot tall. Just go vertical.

Just make him go up over you. Don't give him no layup line. Yeah. You know what you thought about watching the Nuggets? I mean, the game was good. The Nuggets played really well. Obviously, I look at Harden, right? Harden, really, they control the game, most of the game,

outside of towards the end. But, hey, Harden had 32 and 11, but the Clippers turned the ball over 20 damn times. When it came to crunch time, But, hey, Harden had 32-11, but the Clippers turned the ball over 20 damn times, huh? Yeah. When it came to crunch time, and then you got Russell being as intense as he always is, you know, as far as playing defense and with Joker playing the way he's playing, when it came to crunch time because of the turnovers, then the Nuggets was back in the game.

They were able to get back in the game because of the turnovers. Yeah. The game, I mean, it was good. This is one that's going to go to a seven-game series. And I think me, based on what I'm watching and the amount of knowledge that I've gained to this point, the turnovers are going to be key on who wins this series. Ask me how I know. How you know? Because if they didn't turn the ball over 20 times a night,

the Clippers win this game. But I think you got to give, I think you, like you said last time, we was talking about what Detroit didn't do. Let's talk about what the Knicks did do. Well, in this situation,

you talk about what they did, what happened. They weren't out there by themselves now. So somebody forced them into those turnovers. You see, all of a sudden, Russ playing pass lanes. All of a sudden, they started turnovers. You see all of a sudden Russ playing pass lanes. All of a sudden they started getting up into people. All of a sudden it's not

a layup line. Look at Aaron Gordon. Go ahead, Joe. I say that altitude kick in. I say that. You think that's real? Man, it is real. Yeah. Yeah, it's tough, Joe. It's tough.

Why do you think fighters go to Arizona? Why do you think they go to Big Bear? Why do you think they go to Illinois? Why the U.S. Olympic training facility in Colorado Springs if it didn't make a difference? Right. You know, it's funny. I always hear it all the time.

Obviously, I was able to play in Denver twice. And you lost both times. I did. I don't remember whether the wins or losses, but as far as my win and my condition, I'm not trying to be rude. I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I'm just saying it didn't affect me on the field

as far as breathing is concerned. And obviously, during a time like that, it was pressure on me to be able to perform because I'm going to get 24th. know, I'm going to get 24. Yeah. I'm going to get the Hall of Fame and Chan Bailey at the time. But I always hear the thing

about, you know, it being difficult to breathe, you know, when playing in Denver in a high altitude. But I'm just curious. Yeah, there's less oxygen in there. I'm just curious what y'all thought.

Ball travels farther. There's a reason why people love kicking. They love punting. Right. They love hitting a baseball in Coors Field. The air is thinner. Altitude training, that's why, like I said,

if you go look at endurance athletes, they always train at altitude. They go to Flagstaff. They go to Colorado Springs. They're in New Mexico. Boxers, they go to Big Bear. They go to places where, you know, boxers, they go to Big Bear. Yeah.

They go to places where, you know, mammoth and where you have to like, takes you a little bit. And sometimes, don't you remember, they came out, they had those masks on.

Remember the breathing mask? Yeah. That you have on? Yeah, I remember those. Yeah. I remember Beast Smoke used to wear one of them. Mm-hmm.

But you, so, so, this is a seven game series, Joe? This is a seven game series? Yeah, I think, I think it'd this a seven-game series, Joe? This is a seven-game series? Yeah, I think it'll be a seven-game series. I think, you know, obviously, the Clippers,

you know, they came to Denver to get one. They probably feel good about this. I just think they ran out of gas in their second half. But, you know, I'm sure they're looking forward to the game, too, but, you know, until you win on the other team's home floor, I'll get in the series. Yeah. So, this one

probably going to go seven. Russ said, the dynamic roller with Zubat's great cutters, guys catch lobs. My job is to be able to be low man and find ways to excuse my language. F-ish up. He did a great job because, you know, like I said, Russ is still, he still has that quickness.

He's not the finisher that he was, was. He's not as athletic, but he's still, I mean, hey, he still can get it done. He's still explosive too. And spurts, you know, he can still do it. And like you said, oh, Joe, hold on. What are you doing? He had two steals, key steals. But even though he didn't steal the ball, he forced some costly turnovers.

Yeah. You know what? I'm happy for Russ, too, having a game like he did today where him being intense like he always is is the reason why they won because just not too long ago, you know, he was one of the reasons why they lost based on his decision making. So this was good for him and gave him the confidence he needs

to go into the rest of the series being aggressive like he always is and doing what's best for not only him but his team as well. And you have Russ on your team at this point. You just got to accept what comes along with Russ. He's going to make some plays, and you're like, that was

unbelievable, son. That's how we win. And then he's going to have some plays, and you're like, Lord, have mercy. I sure wish I showed without winning the chapel this morning, because you got to deal with it. You got to take the good with the bad.

You got to. It's really that. It's really. Ocho is really that simple because he's going to make plays. You like only he could have made that play. Right. And then on the other side, you're going to say only he could have emptied up. Nobody else could have emptied up.

But he did. So you've got to take. It's kind of like Luca. People say, man, I wish Luca stopped flopping. I wish Luca stopped crying. I wish Luca. You got to accept it. kind of like luca people say man i wish luca stopped flopping i wish luca stopped crying i wish luca you got accepted yeah he's not gonna stop he can't stop right that's part of him he can't he can't every time if he doesn't make a shot he gonna look at the ref like he looked at me you know he ate you know he ate a a pasta for pregame. So you ain't going to call no foul on him. So, Joe, you just live with it.

And that's where I am on that right there. So, Russ, you got to live with it because he's going to make some spectacular plays, but he's going to make some plays that leave you scratching your head. Well, you know the good thing about it, though? The good outweigh the bad with Russ. The good plays outweigh the bad. Most times the bad ones come at opportune times when they shouldn't happen. And that might be the only issue.

Yes. Yes. The Indiana Pacers blow out the Milwaukee Bucks by the score of 117 to 98. Man, after finishing with the third worst defensive rating in the NBA, the Phoenix Sub is probably just, well, no, that ain't what we want.

And what you got up here? Torian Prince got some cardio in. Kyle Kuzma, he was on his road bike, too. He got cardio in. Oh, gee. Hey, they got double cardio. They got you. They ain't going to cardio. They got you.

Torian Prince, 20 minutes, zero points. Kyle Kuzma, 22 minutes, zero. But here's the thing that's so amazing about Kuzma. Kuzma had zero points, zero rebounds, zero assists, zero steals, zero blocks, and two personal fouls. Man,

that's scratch. See, this is one I wasn't able to see. I didn't get to see this one. You know, I was at my track knee watching my baby run. Yeah. So this is the one game I didn't get to see because when this game was going on, this is exactly when, you know, my baby was running the 400 and the 4x4. Man, this was everything I expected.

Godly numbers from Greek Freak. Just didn't get no help, man. Didn't get no help. Indiana, their gritty team as well, they got a bunch of guys who can score the basketball and do a multitude of things on the court to affect the game. And if you got two guys in your starting

lineup who giving you donuts, you ain't got a chance of winning the league like this. Boy, the last time I seen this many donuts, I was at Krispy Kremes and Duncan Robinson. I mean, Duncan Donut. This man, think about it. He was 0-5 from field. He was 0-2 from the three-point line.

He was 0-2 from the free-throw line. Zero rebounds, zero assists, zero steals, zero blocks, and zero points. So you only got like nine stats that you can get something on one end. Nine of the ten, the man had a zero. I don't know. Joe, I don't know if I've ever seen that in all my life. Now, like I said, I was in 4-H. I grew up on a farm. I went to the county fair, and I ain't never seen Joe, I don't know if I've ever seen that in all my life. Now, like I said, I was in 4-H. I grew up on a farm.

I went to the county fair, and I ain't never seen no issue like this. Chad, I don't think y'all understand this. This man was 0-5 from the field or 2 from the three-point line or 2 from the free-throw line. He had zero assists, zero rebounds, zero steals, zero blocks. Zero points. How?

I mean, Yon is like, hey, all I tell you what, this is what I want each of y'all to do. Kyle Kuzma, give me eight. Torian Prince, give me eight.

I'll do the rest until Dame gets back in game three. They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'll do the rest until Dame gets back in game three. They're like, no, no, no, no, no, we're going to leave you out there by yourself. I mean, they got Giannis outside. They got closed the door on Giannis.

They're going to beat the hell out of Giannis. And they just closed the door. They ain't helping but nothing. Does Kyle Kuzma and Prince have the green light to shoot when they want to? Even if you're missing like that, do they have the green light? You know how shooters shoot? Even when you're missing, you keep on shooting

at some point it's going to fall. Are they allowed to do that? Hell no! See? And it's the playoffs, if you got Greek putting all the pressure on the rim, and you're like, Troy and Prince was the top three-point shooter this year. And it's the playoffs, if you got Greek putting all the pressure on the rim and you know, like, uh,

uh, Torian Prince was the top three point shooter this year. It wasn't like he was no slouch. He probably was top five and three point shooting this year. So I think the main thing is you don't have Dame out there. Another guy who can put pressure and, uh, get his own,

make plays for others around him. So now everybody's watching Greek free. He probably the only one really out there who can go out there and get the own, make plays for others around him. So now everybody's watching Greek Freak. He's probably the only one really out there who can go out there and get their bucket. Yeah. So that's why it looks the way it looks. Kyle, Kyle, as soon as I asked you, first thing you said was no. So Kyle Kuzma doesn't have the green light to shoot at will being at some point. Why the hell I won't give him the green light?

He got a learner's permit. He ain't got a real driver's license. So what the hell am I going to let him drive for? If Dame ain't playing, you got to get them points from somewhere. Them points that Dame would have, they got to come from somebody. The man played to Ocho. The man got cardio. The man's on the station, everybody.

No, that's what I'm saying. He was 0 for 5. He was 0 for 9 in the categories, right? Yes. Maybe he doesn't have the green light to continue to shoot at will, even though at some point you got to make them. That's reserved for Steph Curry. That's reserved for Dame.

That's reserved for Luka. You can't give Kyle Kuzma no green light to shoot at whatever you want to. Hell no. Okay. All right. And you got to look at out the bench. You got Green gave you 15. Kevin Porter Jr. gave you 12. Kevin Porter Jr. gave you 12.

Gad Trent Jr. gave you 14. But you got two guys that you started. Think about it. Of your five starters, Yannis had 36. The other three had 14. So they got 50 points from their starter. Yeah. You can't win.

You're not winning. Hold on. And that's why I was a long shot at a game like that. Hold on. You can't win. You're not winning. Hold on. And that's why I was a long side of the game like that. Hold on. Hold on, Joe. So, listen, I'm not a coach. So, as a coach, do you make the adjustments and put the players in that score 14 and 15? No.

And do that? Okay. No. All right. No. You got to be better. But look, Ocho. Cool.

Look, there have been times that sometimes that you're like, man, Kuzma, he's figured it out. Yeah. And then there are other times if I got glass on, I'm a coach. I put my glass down and say, Lord, have mercy. I'm rubbing my temples. Because he makes you scratch your head. If you know you got players like that, that don't have the confidence,

you get them going early. You run plays for them on purpose. Allow them to get an easy bucket. You get an easy bucket, it gets you in rhythm. Hell, when it comes to football, what we do? You drop a ball,

what's the first thing the coach do? Find something easy for you to get the ball back in your hands to be your confidence back up. That's what they do to you. The third receiver ain't going to keep getting balls thrown at his ass. He drop them. Okay.

You only get you. That's the problem. That's the point. You only going to get so many opportunities before they put somebody else's ass in there. Okay. But I'm only saying. You keep getting thrown to you. Right.

You drop a few. That's not reserved for anybody else. I'm just saying that. I'm only saying it because, okay, Dame Doll is not playing. If Dame Doll is not playing, now whoever else is in there, they got to replace the production in some way. They might not be able to score as much as Dame Doll is, but we got to find ways to get those individuals who don't score like that

and put them in position to get them points in some kind of way. Joe, can you explain to Ocho they put him in position? He laid in there, he put a goose eggs. Hey, and Indiana, they taking a challenge, man. They got guys who ain't scared to guard Giannis. You know, the turn of the Pascal Siakam. So it's not like they just totally double-teaming him and they're

making him score. Giannis shot 14 for three tonight. They're making him go get it. And I'm not going to live with that. And he was 8 of 15 from the free-throw line. Okay, I'll live with that. Because guess what? What I'm not going to

allow him to do, because if you go look at his last 10 games, he had like six or seven triple doubles. So he's scoring 30, he's giving you 13, 14 rebounds, and he's making it easy for others to score. So now, hell now, you go ahead and score. Don't even worry. Hey, how many you want? You want 36?

You want 40? Go ahead. But I guarantee you them other guys ain't going to hurt us. See, that's the problem. Yeah, and that's why you see Kyle Kuzma only had five shot attempts in 21 minutes. You know what I mean? Like, they not leaving him,

giving him no comfortable looks. Giannis, if you gonna beat us, then you gonna have to score 50, my boy. Just to keep y'all in the game. Yeah. I give you that. And see, when you play the when you play the nuggets okay you're gonna let yoki get his 35 and you're gonna let him have 17 assists is that what you really that's what you're trying to do no get whatever you want eat as much as you

want but i ain't gonna let none of the other mofos eat. They're going to starve, and you see zero, zero, nine, five. Because think about it. Your starters, your bench players, played more than your starters. Torian Prince played 20 minutes. Kyle Kuzma played

22 minutes. Lopez played 21 minutes, and Rollins played 19. Bobby Portis played 25 bobby porter played 25 gary trent jr played 27 care put uh kevin porter jr played 20 uh played 29 green played 27 so that tells you yeah those guys wasn't getting it done hey doctor they going in there i think on that well hey when you look at it, Kevin Porter Jr. and Gary Trent, they can kind of go off the bounce a little bit

and create, you know, not only for the Bills, but for others as well. That's why when you got Prince in there and he only got one shot at you in 20 minutes, that's because we're not leaving you. You know, we're going to play y'all as man-to-man straight up. We ain't giving y'all no death shots,

none of that. And we're going to make y'all work for everything y'all get yes and and look and that's what you have to do say hey guys i feel bad for you miles i feel bad for you see y'all because uh y'all is gonna give you that he gonna give you that work yeah it's like hey we not finna double and then let everybody no No, no, no, no. Hey. Mm-hmm. Go. Woo. Whoever got Ocho today, bro, he gonna hang about 150, 175 on you. But we ain't gonna let nobody else get nothing.

You gotta take the challenge. You gotta step up. Step up and take the challenge. That's gonna help us as a team, man. It happens all the time. Yeah. Right. Because I don't want them other guys.

Because y'all is gonna get his. Mm-hmm. Because he gonna. If there's a crack, he's gonna to slide his slender ass through it, and either he's going to dunk it, lay it up, or you're going to foul it. Because think about it. He had 23 shot attempts. He had 15 free throw attempts.

Think about that now. 23 shot attempts, 15 free throw attempts. He was working. They were making him work. You know, that's also exposing everybody else's weakness. I can't create on my own. I can't put the ball on the floor, increase space, and get my shots off. That's a weakness.

As a team, Ocho, that's the makeup as a team as a team as a team Ocho that's the makeup of a team like everybody ain't gonna be able to go off the bounce and be able to create

and get their own they gonna be great they gonna be great off-ball defender they gonna be great off-ball players meaning 3 and D guys

guys who got great energy on defense who can cause havoc and knock down the 3 you know offense so I think that's kind of the makeup of this team it's made up of Giannis and Dame to be the creative fence who can cause havoc and knock down the three offense. So I think that's kind of the makeup of this team. It's made

up of Giannis and Dame to be the creators of the sport. And these other guys got to chip in and give us what you got. Yeah. Because that's the thing. Look, that's what Dory, he's not a guy they take you. George, those are the guys that, you got

three guys that can take you off the ground. And when help comes, they can't, you make shots. Yeah. Everybody can't be, he can take you off the dribble, he can take you off the dribble, he can take you off the nah. You need a certain guy that need to be able to catch and shoot. Everybody has a role.

Now, you would like to think that when it's time for them to play their role to the utmost, they do it. Yeah. They hit their shots. Yes. Giannis is going to give you what he's going to give you. Look, I'm going to roll Giannis down.

Giannis is going to have about 30, probably going to have 13 rebounds, probably going to have five assists. He's going to cover every night. So that's what I'm saying. I don't wrote that down in my book. It's kind of like at the end of the day, you wrote down everything that you was going to cover every night. So that's what I'm saying. I don't wrote that down in my book. It's kind of like at the end of the day, you wrote down everything that you was going to do, what you was going to do. Well, I can write down what Yonis is going to give me

before the game even starts. You're going to give it to you every time. 13-6. Probably going to shoot probably 60%, mid-50 to 60%. Okay, that's Yonis. What about Torreyian Prince, Coach? Alright, don't be cracking no jokes

now. Because I don't know where the hell he's going to kill us. I don't. Kyle Kuzma, I saw Kyle Kuzma. I was ready for Kyle Kuzma to go. I said, I have seen enough. When he was with the Lakers, nah. It's time to move on. He's only going to be so good. He's going to redeem with the Lakers. Nah.

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Zero rebounds. Zero assists. Zeroounds. Zero assists. Zero steals. Zero blocks. Zero points. Now, it'd have been really bad if he'd have had zero fouls. So you're out there for 22 minutes and you

didn't even trip nobody? Hey, yo, yo, he didn't trip anybody? I mean, you didn't run through no screens. You didn't trip anybody I mean you didn't run through no screens you ain't run through no screens you ain't do nothing you done had zero cost a boy

yeah yeah yeah that'd be the problem that's hard man that's a tough stat line and yes hopefully he'll use that for fuel though hopefully he'll use it for fuel and come back in game two and give you gotta give Giannis some help, man. I mean, I mean, you know what

he gonna do? He just need a little help, man. Yeah. That joker had an Ocho double. You know, you had a triple double or a triple single. Hey, that was he nobody helped. Eight zeros. Now, if you got that,

if you got money with eight zeros, who are you got for paper? Yeah. Yeah. Now, if you got that, if you got money with eight zeros, well, you got the paper. Yeah. Hello. You don't want to, you don't want to have that on the basketball court. After finishing

with the third worst defensive rating in the NBA this season, the Phoenix Suns' priority this offseason is to get tougher on the other end of the court.

On the latest episode on YouTube show, NBA Insider Chris Haynes explained the Suns intend to move away from trying to build around a couple of stars and having more defensive-minded and tough players that allow them to be more physical. Joe, is this the right move? Because I believe the only guy that's untouchable is Devin Booker. Matt Ishby seems to have made it very clear,

Devin Booker, what he's done in this community, what he's meant for this team, what he's meant for this city, he's off limits. Everybody else, step right up. Depend on what you offer. He can say that now. But depend on what you offer. I mean, man, they got two guys

who were just on the USA Olympic team, and they didn't even get in the play-in game. Yeah. Like, this is, you know, that's unfortunate, bro. So, I don't know. I'm a Devin Booker fan, man, but you never know what these owners once they, you know, first get in position, man.

A lot of them, this is just for fun for them. You know what I mean? So, you know, they make moves that, you know, normally a seasoned person wouldn't do sometimes. I've been on the other end of that. I've been on the other end of that. I know what it's like. But here's the thing. I think, well, if you get rid of everybody,

who are the fans going to rally behind? I think you keep Booker just out of that. Now, I don't, me personally, I don't think,

I don't think Bookdale trade Book. That's just me personally. You believe that that's possible considering, but what are you going to get? Maybe get some draft picks. Bank on some of these young cats coming down.

Hold on. But I'm saying, you want to start your whole team with draft picks? Well, if you want, he mentioned he want better defense. He want physicality, right? You get rid of your scores. Bradley Beal, you know what? He agrees. He says, you know what?

I have a no trade clause, but I'm going to let y'all send me somewhere where I actually want to go. You move on from KD. So you go defensive-wise, you go physicality, you keep Devin Booker. Well, where the hell is the scoring coming from? Where the scoring coming from?

Now, I'm listening to us talk. We just talked about the Bucs, and you got two people. You got one person. You got Dame out. Dame is out. You got the only person putting up points that you can rely on to put the ball in the goddamn basket. And Giannis. But now we talk about getting rid of two prolific scores.

Actually, yeah, two and keeping one. And you want to go physicality. So that just depletes your team and puts you in a hole. You got everybody playing defense, but you ain't got nobody to score. That don't make no sense. How many games go in like that? Hey, we can only

go up, man. We didn't make the play in, Ocho. I mean, we got to do something, man. We in the wild, wild west. Like, it's tough over there, man. It's tough. They gave up so much.

They gave up so much to get KD. They gave up so much. They gave up draft picks. They gave up one of the better perimeter defenders in Mikael Bridges. They gave up Cam Johnson, the guy that can knock down shots. Okay. You said, okay, big three, big three, big three. But now you lose DeAndre Ayton.

Now, DeAndre Ayton wasn't the greatest defensive center, but he was a seven-foot rim presence. Now you don't have that. You have Nurkic. Nurkic is a big body. He can rebound, but that's about it. Slow-footed. No real threat on the offensive end. You had Alex Lamb for a while.

You, he's not, he would, the Lakers sitting on, take it up space. So I, I'm just, when you, when you look at the Phoenix suns, I mean, I want some defense. He's probably going to want to go. They got, I mean, look at this point, Brooklyn accommodated Kevin Durant. I want to go to Phoenix, play with Chris Paul, CP3. Well, that's what they need.

They need a point guard. Let's start with that first and foremost. They need somebody to initiate the offense. I'm going to take the ball out of Devin Booker's hands and put him at the two. Devin Booker is best at the two. Not running the offense, at the two. Let's start with that. Secondly, yeah, you got guys that can put the ball in the basket,

but you can't guard a parked car with a Uzi. And the motor missing. Yeah. So now everything is a layup line. Everybody getting whatever. They get whatever they want against Phoenix. Whatever. They get layup line.

They get shoot around threes. You're not winning. You're not winning. You're not winning like that. Yeah. They try to play Devin Booker like the Clippers do James Harden. Yes. The offense can score a will, a willing passer can pass, and it just hadn't worked out for him.

It just hadn't worked out for him. But if you remember, James was always that. Because when he came in with the Shock Troops at OKC, the ball was in his hand. So he's always been that. So now he goes to Houston, and now he's not coming off the bench. You remember those first couple of games that he had with Houston? They was like, what the hell? Like 38, like 35.

So James Harden has always had the ball in his hand now granted russ came in and and take some of that and obviously when you play with kd but when he went to houston and perfected that craft yeah yeah so now he can play like that booker has never ever had to play like that. Right. So you're asking a guy to do something that he's really never done. Right. There's nothing for James Harden to do that. Because guess what?

Everywhere James Harden has been since he left OKC, he's had the ball in his hand. Had the ball in his hand at Brooklyn. Even with Kyrie and KD, James had the ball. Yeah. He goes to Philly with Ben Simmons. Well, Ben was gone. KD, James had the ball. He goes to Philly with Ben Simmons. Well, Ben was gone. When he got there and you had Joel Embiid and you had Tyrese Maxey,

he had the ball. He goes to the Clippers, Paul George, Kawhi. He's got the ball. So that's what James Harden does. He has the ball. You're asking Booker to do something that he hasn't done yeah james is a great iso player he has a great great feel for the game and he understands when to pass when and when to be aggressive and he's been great at picking his spots yeah i mean they're two totally different players he's a better isolation player than devin booker yes you know plus his iq is high as well, which is why he's a

rank up these double doubles the way he does. He's led the league in assists twice. Yeah. So clearly he can facilitate offense. Clearly he understands

he's an IQ basketball player. No, you're not leading. Look. You're not going to, you're not leading the league in assists. Now, granted, it happens,

hopefully the guy on the other end don't monk it up. But he understands. He's tremendous. And him and Zubat, he's turned Zubat into a $100 million man. Yes, sir. Because him and Zubat's in the pick and roll. He's going to drop. He's going to leave it

for him. And Zubat's going to power it home. Yeah. He's tremendous. He perfected that step back three. Yeah. James Harden. Yeah. Because he tremendous. He perfected that step back three. Yeah. James Harden. Yeah. Because he was the one that was.

I'm like, hold on. Travel. Hey, no. Joe, when I first saw him do it, I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That ninja travel. Hey, hey. You know, I had a little stint with Houston. I played with James, man, on that year.

They won like, what was it, like 22 games in a row or something like that. Yeah. About 36 a game. Yes. I came in on the win streak. They had probably already won like 11, 12 in a row. But, man, his preparation for the game is different. He really sits in the gym.

He works on them shots, them orthodox shots, which is why he's so tough to guard. He's so crafty in the pick and roll because he can beat you in every way. If you go under, he's going to shoot the three. If you go over, he's going to keep you in jail back there, keep you in that little huckabuck. Now you got the floaters, the dishouts, the lives, the Zubop. And that's hard to stop, man.

Look, he got a crew with him who, you know, those guys made some shots tonight. That's why I was shocked they lost the way they controlled their game. Yeah. I think Kawhi cooled off a little bit in the second half because the first quarter he had it going. James had

it going. I think James getting in foul trouble, that hurt them more than anything. That really, because it took him out of his rhythm. Look, I mean, you can't say enough good things about James Harden. First of all, he's a member

of the 75th anniversary team. That tells you right there. He's an MVP. He's an all-NBA selection. And he had the highest scoring month since probably 70. He averaged 43 in a

month. Which was a tick above what Kobe had. Remember Kobe averaged like 35. He had that 81. He had like 4, 5, 60-point games. But James Harden is a great scorer of the basketball, but he's an IQ player. Normally, guys, it's hard to find a guy, he and Luka like that,

that can score the basketball like that, that they can get you 60. Yeah. But they can get you 15 assists. There have been very many guys in the history of the game that can score 60 and get you 15 assists. James Harden and Luka can do that. He can affect the game in that way. He's a tough

guard, man. He's a tough guard. You, James Jones, what you doing? How do you improve the Suns? How do you get them better? Just a couple of years ago, they were in the playoffs. They were in the NBA Finals. they had a 2-0 lead on uh um milwaukee to end up losing that they make another run how what what are you doing what are you doing man first hope he keep his job okay there's a lot of people hey man you know i really got

rid of the coach they got rid of what three of the coaches all them coaches still making money they fired they fired they fired they fired

they fired they fired they fired they fired they fired they fired they fired they fired

they fired they fired they fired they fired they fired they fired they fired they fired

they fired they fired they fired they fired they fired they fired they fired they fired

they fired they fired they fired got $80 million in coaches that's not even working. And there's no players that's going to walk through that room and save your job, though. There's no players. Who are you going to get when you got some of the best already? That's what I need to go get. That's why, Joe, you starting over, you try to get

lucky if you try to get some of these top draft picks this year. And I don't know how you can do it, but there's some talent in this draft, man. Hey, okay, Joe, you said talent in the draft. Can you name one college player that can come in that can change the franchise? That can change?

I ain't saying, when I say change, when you say change the franchise, I ain't saying it's a rookie who can come in and give him a 60. No, ain't no LeBron James, ain't no Kevin Durant in this draft. But you want excitement, you know, you want promise,

you want hope. So, you know, it's some young females who can come in and keep these Phoenix fans excited enough to where they're still in tune with the Suns, man.

You know, they love their Suns down there. Yeah. Yeah. I'm Michael Kasson, Yeah. Yeah. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen.

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