Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Lakers lose to the Magic on the road, Doc Rivers sounds off about playoff wins, & Unc & Ocho respond to Asante Samuel!

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Lakers losing to the Magic, AD makes his return to the Mavericks, & Unc and Ocho have a heated discussion about Asante Samuel & much more!06:14 - Show start09:32 - Lakers vs. Magic17:10 - Anthony Davis returns against Nets22:10 - Doc Rivers sounds off about playoffs wins31:41 - Unc and Ocho respond to Asante Samuel58:00 - Tom Brady talks split from Patriots(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So guess what? We've been teasing this for a month. Tickets for the Not Safe for Work Tour goes on sale this week. Without further ado, here's the tour schedule. Friday, June 13th, Baltimore. Saturday, June 14th, Philadelphia. Saturday, July 12th, Charlotte.

Saturday, July 19th, Los Angeles. Friday, July 25th, Charlotte. Saturday, July 19th, Los Angeles. Friday, July 25th, Miami. Saturday, July 26th, New York City. Friday, August 15th, Chicago, Illinois. Saturday, August 16th, Detroit. Tickets go on sale Wednesday at 11 a.m. Eastern and can also be found on SheaSheaMedia.com slash tour.

Again, tickets go on sale Wednesday at 11 a.m. Eastern. They can also be found on SheaSheaMedia.com slash tour. Those are our stops. Again, Ocho, we start off Friday, June 13th in Baltimore.

Head to Philly on the 14th. July 12th, we're in Charlotte. July 19th, we're in Los Angeles. Friday, July 25th, we're in Miami. Saturday, July 26th, we're in New York. Friday, August 15th, Chicago.

Saturday, August 16th, Detroit. Those are the stops on the Not For Safe Work Tour NSFWT. I wonder what that still for. Hey, what the hell that mean? But it's not safe. It's not safe. It's not safe, Ocho.

So there it is, y'all. Those are the tour dates, stops, cities that we're going to be joining, that we're going to be going to. So, get your tickets. Thank you for your support.

The Lakers fall to the magic, 109-98. The Lakers win three, with three losses in a row. They lost seven out of their last 10 ballgames. They lost to Boston, Brooklyn, Milwaukee,

Denver. Then they won three straight, beat Phoenix, San Antonio, Denver. Then they lost another three straight, Milwaukee, Chicago. Then they won three straight. Beat Phoenix, San Antonio, Denver. Then they lost another three straight. Milwaukee, Chicago, and Orlando. The Lakers bench was outscored 30-14, which was an issue.

The Lakers got to do a better job of guarding. Watch this game from start to finish. They're just not guarding. They're just not guarding. Now, look. They're about a year or two away. Orlando, Paulo Boncaro, and Franz Wagner. Oh, they're about a year or two away. Orlando, Paulo Banqueiro, and Franz Wagner. Oh, they legit.

Oh, they legit, legit. They legit, legit. Banqueiro had 30. Wagner had 32. And then Black came up to bench and gave him 17. But they are legit. The Lakers got to do a better job of defending. It's really that simple.

They didn't shoot the ball well. They shot about 46%. They shot 28 free throws. The free throw was pretty close. 10 of 32 from the three-point line. The difference was Orlando shot damn near 50% from the floor. You're not going to beat a team if you allow them to shoot 50% from the floor. But everything was really close.

I mean, Orlando had 43 rebounds, 12 offensive. The Lakers had 39, 11 offensive. But the only difference I could really see, Ocho, was that third quarter got them again. Every time. The Lakers had a two-point lead at the half, and then they get outscored in the third quarter by about 14, 16. And it's the third quarter again.

J.J. is going to have to push some different buttons because they come out lackadaisical and they let the team go on the run. And it's hard to reattach yourself to them when they get a streak like that. But give Orlando credit. They won. As a matter of fact, they broke uh they stopped cleveland they went on the road cleveland had a 16 17 game win streak they went into their building and they won so so now they're not the record they are better than their record would indicate right

but the problem was bank carol got hurt at one point in time wagner got hurt at one point in time so they haven't been able to play an extended period of time together. But this is a good team. Don't let their record fool you. But the Lakers have to be disappointed. They've got to play better. They're in fourth spot right now. They're two and a half, I think, two and a half games out of the second spot.

But tonight, again, it was defense. They gave up 146 Saturday night, and they gave up 118 tonight. And they had been playing really, really good defense up until that point. Okay, now with everything that you said, they're in fourth, right? They lost tonight. You understand the problems and the woes that the Lakers are having, the inconsistencies. They want to run.

You're understanding their woes coming out of halftime in the third quarter, allowing teams always going to run. Now, think about everything you just said. I want your honest answer and your honest opinion. Is it still Lakers in five? Lakers in five. Lakers in five. Look, that's fixable. Look, that's fixable, Ocho. that's fixable ocho that's something like look guys

we've got to do a better job of defending yes sir um and and you can't guys can't get broken down off the first dribble right you get broken down into first dribble now you compromise because help's coming yeah and now they swing the ball they're getting wide open three right or they're getting uncontested layups. So you can't get broken down off the first dribble. They got outscored 34-18 in the third quarter. I mean, there's no way should a Lakers team that got Luka Doncic and LeBron James on the court only score 18 points in a quarter. Yeah.

And if you only score 18, you better make sure they don't they don't score more than 22 because if you do that um and i get it the lakers i think they played what seven games well at one point time had seven games in 10 days right but we don't do excuses here you either win or you lose there's a very short on sports menu at my restaurant only thing i got on my menu is dubs and L's. That's all you can order. You can't order excuses because I don't serve it. So the Lakers are going to have to find a way to play better

in the third quarter. They're going to have to find a better way to defend because this is not acceptable. This is not acceptable. I mean, look at all these minuses. Dorian Finney-Smith, minus six. LeBron, minus 17. Jackson Hayes, minus 10. Luka, minus six. LeBron, minus 17. Jackson Hayes, minus 10. Luka, minus nine.

Austin Reeves, minus seven. Every starter was minus. Hell, as a matter of fact, everybody was minus. That's not good enough. You can't win like that. There's no way around it. You can't win like that. And when you take Jackson Hayes out,

LeBron is basically playing the five. Too small of a lineup. I mean, maybe the last two, three minutes, four minutes of a ball game, you can run this lineup, but not when they go in Bankero, not when they go in Wendell Carter, not when they go in

Franz Wagner. You're too small. You're just too small. Redick admitted the Lakers looked tired tonight. We weren't able to sustain the level of intensity we started the game with. They did. It scored 30 in the first quarter, 30 in the second quarter, 60. They had a two-point lead, 60 to 50 in the half. But then again, out of the third quarter, here come Orlando.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And there you go. Same quarter every time. Needed to play some different music at the half, huh? They need to do something because this ain't getting it done. This ain't getting it done. I mean, and what's their record? So that's 50, that's 61, that's 71 games.

They only got 11 games left, Ocho. Yeah. You're supposed to be gearing up. You're supposed to be playing your best ball heading into the playoffs. 61 to 71 games. They only got 11 games left, Ocho. Yeah. You're supposed to be gearing up. You're supposed to be playing your best ball heading into the playoffs. Not, you know, maybe they left a little bit

on the look because at one point they were like 18 and 3 had won a bunch of games. You don't want to be sliding going into the playoffs. Right. You want to be playing

your best ball heading into the playoffs. But this performance was unacceptable. And Don Connect only played five minutes. But I think a lot of that has to do with his defense intensity. I mean, he needs to understand. I mean, he just gets lost.

And I can tell J.J. doesn't like mental mistakes. Yeah. That irks him because he's a perfectionist, and he wants guys like guys. We went over this. That's why I couldn't coach. We went over this. The guy comes, okay, you stay on that guy.

Don't try to fight over the top and lead the guy on a wide-open three. So Lakers got some problems. Nothing they can't solve. They got, what, three more games on this road trip? I think they got a four-game road trip before they turn back to the Crip. Oh, I know that hurt. I know those road trips back to back. Indiana?

Yeah. Yeah. So, they got they got they got a way they got they got they got

three more games on the road Ocho before they turn return home they need to play better than what they played tonight

or what they definitely what they played against the Bulls but they picked right on where they left off not playing defense they started with

great intensity in the first half but that waned in the third quarter and that was really the undoing of them AD Anthony Davis returns after 18 games absence versus the Nets intensity in the first half, but that waned in the third quarter, and that was really the undoing of them. A.D., Anthony Davis returns after 18 games

absence versus the Nets. It is returned. 12 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 6 of 9 field goals in 27 minutes. Look. Look. I don't know how many players

the Lakers would have traded A.D. for, but you got to trade him for Luka. Yeah, absolutely. There ain't a whole lot of players. A team won't trade. It's reported that they called Minnesota by Ant-Man.

No. It's reported they called Milwaukee by Giannis. No. They're not getting Yolk. I'm trying to think, can you name another player? You probably couldn't get, I wouldn't break up JT and JB.

But other than that, your ass up out of here. Everybody's a green light. Everybody else is a green light. Everybody else is a green light. So you can't feel bad. Y'all know what I think of AD. I love AD. I like him and Brian together because he was the last line of defense. He could guard pretty much one through five.

He was tremendous in the picket roll. Excellent. Excellent. Help side defense could give you 25 and 12 on a nightly basis. But 32-year-old AD versus 26-year-old Luka. Yeah. And then, obviously, an injury-prone AD, which has always been an issue of his,

not being able to stay on the court, but understanding what he gives you once he's on the court. But the problem is, as you make the trade, it happens. He comes out and gives you the AD you used to but not enough consistency to be able to stay on the court

to make the fans feel like okay you know what we let Luka go but we still got AD he's still able to come here and produce

he's not Luka you know by any means but he's still a quality player that can put butts in the seats and be productive night in and night out

when he's on the court. You see him come back and have a good game at night until he gets his legs up underneath him, gets acclimated to the speed of the game and gets himself back in rhythm. Still decent at night, though. Yeah, that's one of the reasons, though, Joe.

When he stays healthy, we've seen him last year i think he played like 70 plus games which is the most games he's played in a very long time we know what he can do yeah he's as skilled as anybody he can shoot the three now he's not shooting 40 but he got the three ball in his repertoire mid-range game can post it can put it on the floor can finish at the rim above the rim you're finally gonna go to the free throw line he's gonna make 80 plus percent of his free throw. So offensively, and we know he's one of the two or three best defensive players in all of basketball.

That's not even up for debate. But like you said, his injury history made it real easy, plus his age made it real easy for the Lakers to say, you know what, Luka for AD. Plus, we got another decade of Luka, and we need superstar in order to attract. Because when you look at their court side and you look at everybody else's court side,

only the Knicks can rival it. Yeah, it's different. It's different. And it's always been different, and it's always going to be different. And that's what you need to attract those stars to come out and watch. Right. Because of Luca.

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It's unfair in some ways. I don't get enough credit for winning those three games. I get credit for losing. I always say, what if we had lost to Houston and six? No one cares. One thing that I'm proud of is that we've never been swept. All coaches have been swept in the playoffs. My team achieved a lot of them overachieved that I'm proud of is that we've never been swept. All coaches have been swept in the playoffs.

My team achieved. A lot of them overachieved. And I'm proud of that. Did he say this out loud? Yeah. I'm not sure. Hold on. He said this so somebody could write it?

Is this really his quote? I mean, are we happy about losing, but the fact that we didn't get swept, is that satisfying? Is this some type of moral victory or something? I'm just kidding. It's more embarrassing that you had a 3-1 lead and you couldn't win another game. Hey, I just want to know how you feel about it.

Come on, man. Doc, you know what? I wouldn't even say nothing. I'd say, yeah, that's on me. Yes, I've had 3-1 lead in five or six series, and we weren't able to get it done. I've got to do a better job of putting my players in position so we can get it done.

I would have never, ever said, I don't get enough credit for winning three games because it's not a best of five. Right. Doc, you came in, and there used to be a best of five. As a matter of fact, I'm old enough to remember there used to be a best of three. Yes, there were a best of three. Because you had a best of three, a best of five.

The Eastern Western Conference was the best of seven. So was the NBA Finals. So, Doc, if you had won three games and a best of five, you'd got a ton of credit. Yeah. But in a seven-game series, it's the first of four, not the first of three.

Doc said that. Doc said that out loud. I'm just, do you know what? Also, I just want to ask you, do you really think this is his quote? Is it from a reliable source? Yeah, it's him. He's talking.

Yes. It's in quotes. Yeah, that's what he said it's it's the mark spears he said no one tells the real story and i'm fine with that it's unfair in some ways i don't get enough credit for getting those three wins you don't get credit for winning games you get credit for winning series right if you if it's mca you get credit for winning series. If it's the NCAA, you get credit for winning games. One in one shot. But not in a series, not where it takes four. Come on, Doc.

Doc is too much of a student of the game. Doc has too much basketball high-level IQ to ever say something like this to have it printed. Lord have mercy. Uh-oh.

How'd Ocho that would be the equivalent of DQ said hey, I don't get enough credit for having a 28-3 lead on the page. I don't get enough credit for that. Because I did lead on the Patriots. I don't get enough credit for that. Because I did have a lead. You know what?

How many coaches ever had a 25-point lead in the Super Bowl? What good is that? You lost. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. That's the same thing when the Houston, the Oilers, had that big lead. Against Buffalo. Yeah.

A lead? You're talking about a lead. Not winning the game, but we had a lead. It's even more embarrassing that in the first to four, you won three games and you lost the series still.

Mm-hmm. Damn. I don't know. I need more context to the conversation because the way it's being worded doesn't sound like come on doc would you really say something like that would you work really well yeah for winning because he has the most three he has the most blown three one leads in nba history oh he's saying y'all not giving me credit for winning three games nah and that doesn't that ain't the way. Who don't get credit?

That ain't the way it work, though. In nothing, in nothing, you're doing life. He had against the Celtics in 23, a 3-2 lead. Lost. 2020 against the Nuggets in the bubble. 3-1 lead. Lost. 2015, the Rockets.

He was at the Clippers at the time. Lost. 2012, against the Heat. 3-2 lead. Lost. 2010, against the Lakers. 3-2. Lost.

2009, against the Magic. 3-2. Lost. 2003, Pistons. 3-1. Lost. My goodness Listen What are we supposed to do

The difficulties of being a coach The difficulties of being A head coach At the highest level Here's the question The question Mark Spears asked him how do you deal with all the criticism you've received from the media and on social media from losing three one series leads four times doc quote was a direct response to what he was asked by mark j spears

yeah how do you feel with all the criticism you've received from the media and on social media? So I guess ain't nobody else criticizing. You don't think other coaches talk about, damn, Doc. You don't think players say it. So what you think? I get it. Blaming the media.

Right. Blame social media. But we're the only ones. Ain't no player. as a matter of fact what happened when he lost the clippers 3-1 lead i guess management blamed him too yeah they got him up out of there yeah okay uh uh uh uh philly what did they do they got him up out of there so i guess it ain't just the media and social media so I have a question hold on

now I have a question the opportunities given when it comes to the NFL is a little bit different as opposed to to the NBA now he continues to get jobs for a reason exactly so you can't say he's a great coach

he's a great coach he has to be great at something there that he does because there's a reason you continue to have all these jobs despite the losses that are happening at important times at the wrong times and they're letting you go but you get the job somewhere else right away like it's nothing. So there's something special about him. Right. Hmm. I don't like that answer, though. Hell no. Nobody likes that answer. If he could take it back, if he

could read the quote now with a little bit of clarity and understanding. What you mean? Let me finish. I guarantee you he'll worded different. Here we're worded differently. I'm telling you, you see how you,

in your right state of mind, are sitting here reading it and then getting better context on what the question was? He wasn't drunk. Yeah, I... Yeah, let's put up, because we want to put

some more comments, because you think he was taking it out of context. He had no idea what was being asked. Because once you told me what the question was, that gave me a better understanding. It was a direct question, so the answer in the quote was literally direct based on, you know, sometimes they leave stuff out.

Okay, how about this here? It is what it is. It's a part of my legacy. There's nothing I can do about it. I got a team that was an 8 seed of 3-1. That's coaching. That's not bad coaching. There are several 8 seeds that have actually won. The Denver Nuggets

was the first 8 seed. They beat the Seattle Superstars, who was the number 1 seed, but we'll talk about that later. The one with the Clippers is the only one that got away, but people don't realize that Chris Paul was running on one leg in 2015 with the clippers and we also the underdog in that series when you think about it houston had home court not us

so let me get it was good enough you got you beat them twice on their home court to get a three to get a three one lead right so he was on one leg so one leg leg got you a 3-1 lead. One leg couldn't get you another win. Okay. Okay, how about this? We didn't have home court. Well, it goes road to your first two games.

If you're the underdog, that means the first two games, they're home. So that means in order for you to get a 3-1 lead, you had to have won one game on their court. It's on your resume, Doc. I think the best thing is to say, hey, look, it's a part of me.

I wish maybe I could have done something different, called different plays, put players in different situations. But to say I don't get enough credit for winning three games when it's a four-game series, when it's a seven-game series, and it's the first of four, not the first of three, he got to miss me with that one. Yeah. He got to miss me with that one. He got to miss me with that one.

So, sorry, Doc. We can't agree on that one. Oh, Lord have mercy. I was hoping we'd have to do this. Asante Samuel saw the clips of us debating him in prime and he responded to us, Ocho. Yeah. That's your problem, pimp. You're also brainwashed at Shannon Sharp.

I'm not worried about what everyone perceives to be true. Like yourself, I stand on facts. You have yet to talk about the facts. You can easily be manipulated

just like everyone has because of marketing. I bet you won't debate me. Big facts. Oh. Shannon Sharp, safety has the short... Safety has the short middle.

Nobody's in the deep but me and the receiver. You don't know the truth, pimp. You just talking out your... With no facts. Right. Let's talk or you scared like everyone else, bro.

Hey, I didn't know he answers you like... Okay, I like that. I like that, huh? Hey, y'all... Hey, listen. We can have a club, Shay Shay, right? Listen to me now. Stay with me. We have a club, Shay Shay, right? Listen to me now. Stay with me.

You have a club, Shay Shay. DV edition. A good conversation. PowerPoint presentation style. Film up there to support each of your opinions and facts that you might have. It ain't no opinion. He's not time. Why are we debating?

Let me finish, baby. Let me finish. Listen, I'm giving you the ultimate content right now. Something that's never been done before. A format that's never been done before. Two players. Actually, three because you're a part of it, too. Three players. You got Prime,

Asani, Sanders, and you. You're one that loves a breakdown film. He's also one that loves a breakdown film. Now, just picture this. You think Cat Williams did a whole bunch of numbers? What you think you and Son sent down, you know, going over? Okay. You want to prove it?

Prove it. Die in the sky, don't lie. I'm just throwing the idea out there. Because the format has never been none of your fault. I've given Coach Time and myself have given Atante Samuel more attention since he's been retired than he's ever gotten. After tonight, I'm done with this. There's nothing to debate.

My bad. There's no one going to say he's in the realm of time. He's in the realm of Darrell Rivas. He's in the realm of Rod Woodson or Charles Woodson or Darrell Green or a Mel Blunt he's not I don't give a damn what he says about the film

he played more look bro you had an unbelievable career congratulations you're just not time you're not time. You're not time. You're not Rebus.

Hold on. Did he make an all-decade team? Because time made all-decade and he's one of the 100 greatest players of all time. Let's see his resume. Let's see his body of work. I complimented him. I said time don't believe in

wasted motion the t-step worked well for Asante I gave him a compliment let's see his resume

so he didn't make all decade four-time pro bowler one time all pro how many times how many pro bowls the time may how many all team yeah oh same number of super bowls but one guy was a defensive player of the year one guy as a defensive player of the year. One guy as a defensive back swung the balance of power. How many DBs can say swung the balance of power? He go to one team to keep the other team from going.

He goes to the other team and keep that team from going. Bruh, you had an unbelievable career. You went to a Pro Bowl. You're an All-Pro. You're not time. And that's not a knock. It's okay. It's okay. But I don't

know why you're getting mad at me. I tell you what. Go find the GM, go find the coach, go find the player that says Asante Samuel is the equivalent or better than time. That's all you got to do. Hell, your son won't

say you better than time. And he a junior. Just be real, man. You coming, I'm the wrong one. What you doing? Where you going? I got that. What's that? I don't know what you're talking about, bro. I don't know what you're

talking about. I complimented you. I said you had an outstanding career. I say the T-step served you well. I complimented you. I said you had an outstanding career. I say the T-step served you well. I just said you weren't tired. That's okay. If somebody says, you know what, Shannon, you had an unbelievable career. Shannon, you

were at the eight Pro Bowls. You were first team All-Pro. You're an All-Decade player. You're in the Hall of Fame, but you ain't Gronk. Okay. You ain't Travis Kelsey. Okay. But you ain't going to go no other tight end than me talking about you ain't that.

If you want to say Gronk, if you want to say Kelsey, Shannon, you not that. I ain't finna fight you. But you ain't going to go no more. You ain't going to go no more. Because when I left, every record that a tight end could have, I had it. Catches, yards, touchdowns, most yards of the game.

Hey, so hold on. Now that you mention that, when we factor in the numbers and statistics, does that play any factor in Asante's case? Or it doesn't matter? Just curious he had more he had more past breakups and fewer interceptions how many pick sixes did he have all i know is when i left the game yeah i had every record that a tight end could possibly have okay ain't nobody had them but me now they don't came along and broke them gonzo broke broke him. And Gates did this. And Gronk and this and that. But I don't know.

I don't know why he mad at me. I gave him a compliment. I said he had an outstanding career. I said the T-step for him served him well. I like the convo. I like the dialogue. I would love, especially for not the casual fan, but for people that are fans of the game,

I wish we could dive a little bit more. I'm obviously not here on the show. I'm just saying. I'm just asking you, find a general manager, find a head coach, find a receiver, because he talking like he was that. I guarantee you, when you find somebody to say he'll top 10 a top 10 cornerback if we go back and study history top 10 corner so we got time we got revis

we got male blunt we got rod wilson we got daryl green we got amir williams we got male blunt okay that's seven right there where we Where are we going to put him? In the list of all time and the history of the NFL, is he cracking the top 10? That's your homeboy he was floated I want you to tell me you tell me where would you put him

no I'm asking you I just named seven guys which one of those seven guys you are you putting him in front of

you heard me yeah I'm listening I'm asking you. Oh, I forgot about Champ Bailey. You put him in front of Champ? You didn't answer the question. Are you putting him in front of Champ? You heard me?

I'm listening, yeah. Where would you put him? Where would you rank him? No, I asked you. No, I'm asking you the question. Yes! No, I'm asking you. Where do you put him? Where would you rank him? No, I ask you. No, I'm asking you the question. Yes! No, I'm asking you, where do you rank him? Based on what you call him.

I'm asking this man. I just asked this man a simple question. I gave him seven, eight names. He's talking about where would I rank him. I ask you. Yeah, because listen. Go ahead. Don't.

I get it. You're going to probably bump into him. Hold on, hold on, hold on. But at some point in time. Hey, hold on. It don't matter who I bump into. Okay, well, you got to be in front of the guys that I mentioned. But he addressed you.

Why are you asking me the question? He addressed you, so I'm asking you, where do you rank him? I already done said it. He's not in front of Tyne. He's not in front of Revis. He's not in front of Wad Woodson. He's not in front of Charles Woodson. He's not in front of Mel Blunt.

He's not in front of Nils Williams. He's not in front of Charles Woodson. He's not in front of Mel Blunt. He's not in front of Nils Williams. He's not in front of a champ, Bailey. That's seven. Okay. That's seven guys. Okay. Now, stay, stay. Now, you, who is he in front of? Is he top 10 all time in the history?

Dick Night Train Lane, Emile Tunnel. Is he in? Hey. Hey, uh, uh. I'm just asking. He got all these facts. Who is he in front of? I tell you what. Who is he in front of of the list that I just made?

Now you, you, you, you name, you name all, you name all time, like all time. He talking like he all time great. That's the problem.

Nobody got a problem with him saying he's not good. We're talking about, he talking about, I didn't, you talking about all time great. The guy that I list, he's at the front of the line. Time it.

Mel Blunt, defensive player of the year. Charles Wilson, defensive player of the year. Rob Wilson, defensive player of the year. There have been a lot of guys. But number two, one is at the front of the line. He talking like he in that group. They're a group. Look, we go into a room.

In the Hall of Fame, okay. We go into a room. We all into a room. But there are certain guys at certain tables. We in the room, but we not at that table. He not even in the room. He on the outside. Hey, y'all

know I played, right? Yeah, but this for big dog. Keep it a stat. So I want chat. Y'all tell me are the guys that I list. Who he better than? I ain't mentioned Pat P. I ain't mentioned Mr. Sherman yet.

I just gave y'all a couple of names. I want you to tell me who he better than than the list I listed. Who y'all put him in front of, chat? Y'all put him in front of Dion? Y'all put him in front of Revis? Y'all put him in front of Charles Woodson? Rod Woodson? Y'all put him in front of Mel Blunt?

Who are y'all putting? Champ Bailey? Who are y'all putting him in front of? Asante Samuel? Who? Who are y'all putting him in front of? Asante Samuel. Who? Hold on. I'm not, I'm trying to,

I'm trying to see, I'm trying to see what the chat talking about. No, no, I want you to see what the chat talking about. You played against it. What you talking about? You played against Charles Wilson.

You played against Pat P. You played against Sherm. Who are you putting him in front of? I played against Sherm I ain't I ain't playing against Sherm but you know you know I did I did I did my thing everywhere I went you hear me it was like it was like Halloween if I knock on the door I'm coming to get some candy I'm asking you a simple question of the guys that were mentioned who is he in front of simple question of the guys that were mentioned, who is he in front of? And I wouldn't say in front of, because you, you mentioned,

you know, the greats, but he has, he has the numbers to be in the room. I know, I know that much. And you base everything off numbers. When you talk about, let me,

let me finish before you say anything. When you talk about MJ in comparison to Michael Jordan, when it comes to basing any other sport, we always bring up the numbers. But all of a sudden, the numbers are ignored when it comes to now talking about the dude in comparison. He got four Pro Bowls. Now listen, listen. All those got, hold on, the dude got four Pro Bowls.

Listen to me, I'm not finished. Okay. But again, now we understand. those got hold on this dude got four pro bowls listen to me i'm not finished okay but again now we we understand but when we do a comparison based on greatness you know we do everything i'll tell you what we do everything you got a former coach your former coach had three pro bowls and 62 picks you taking dick dick laboe oh hey What you know about LeBeau? Fred, you like numbers. Hey, what you know about LeBeau, Brad? What you know about, hey. You just told me numbers.

Yeah, I mean, listen, that's what everything is based off of, right? Yeah. No. Okay, numbers. Okay, let's go all pros. Let's go Pro Bowls. Let's go all decade. Let's go defensive player of the year.

Right, right. That's part of numbers also. Right. Just not picks. Okay. Okay. Okay. I got you. See, I look at it like this. If you get six picks and you give up eight touchdowns, what have you done?

Okay. I see what you're doing. I like that. I thought the job of a corner is to take away more than you give up. That's a great combo. That's a great. I'm just waiting on this man to tell me who is he better than than the list I

remained. Now we're going to have. Guess what? What? Let's have the conversation. Hopefully, Lord spare both of our lives. We're able to have a conversation another 10 to 15 years.

We will. Now, I'm going to need to see a gold jacket on his back because all the guys that I've been to now, hey, Jalen Ramsey's going to be coming up. Richard Sherman's going to be coming up. Pat Peay's going to be coming up. You see, what he's trying to do, oh, it's all about marketing. Bro, you played on the Patriots.

Ty Long played on the Patriots. Ty Long got a red jacket and a gold jacket. So don't do that bull job about marketing. If you, who was on TV more than the Patriots? Oh, Cho. Oh, during that 20-year run? During that time. Yeah. Oh, so now it's marketing.

Time ain't no marketing, bro. Yeah, he marketed himself to know how to parlay that, but that man on the field, you better go check them tapes. Either you can or you can't. That's a great conversation, bro. That's a good one now.

Willie Brown, Mike Hayes. Mike Hayes got nine like nine Pro Bowls. You better go check. That's a great combo. Let me grab me a water, man. Asante, go ahead, bro. Asante, you had a great career, bro. You a good player.

You just said, all I said, you weren't tired. And you had to get personal. I don't know why. I mean, if you want to come on nightcap to get, to get your name out there, you could have did that.

Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey, listen, that is a great combo where you hear me. It's a great con. What was a great combo?

This one. I like this. I just, obviously it's not me as the individual, but I'm just saying, That's why I was telling you And in prime Is he better than Stephon Gilmore

At some point Hey chat Don't y'all want Ocho To chime in Instead of just talking About this is a great combo Hold on I'm listening to you

You tell him You tell him This is nightcap Fucking Ocho Hold on We don't listen to each other. We go back and forth. I've been chiming in all night.

I'm listening to you. Now, listen, now. You see what I'm saying? He listening to me. He addressed Shannon Sharp. He sent a long message to Shannon Sharp. So I'm just listening to what you have to say. Hold on.

Where did he address Shannon Sharp? What was Shannon Sharp speaking on? On what? On him. On nightcap. Nightcap. Unking Ocho. Right.

So it's your job to answer that. I get it. Chat, y'all see, Ocho don't want to tie me. He's from Florida. Ocho might bump into it. Y'all know me. I don't give a damn. And wouldn't bump into it have anything to do with anything?

Whatever. See, here's the problem. Here's the thing with Shannon Sharp. Whatever Shannon Sharp say on night count, Shannon Sharp, if he bumped into said player, Shannon Sharp is mad enough to stand on that. Bro, you not Tyne.

You not Charles Woodson. You not Rod Woodson. You not Darrell Revis. You not Mel Blunt. You not Mike Haynes. You not Dale Green. You not Fats. Now, of the 10 guys that I named, find a coach, find a receiver that says Asante Samuel is better than any of those guys.

See, the way you make it sound oh See you being mean you Were you Using a yeah, how you make it sound you make it sound like like buddy was trash or something. I didn't say I'm just saying the way you talking like you acting like we just sitting there talk about some just some old bum week I'm just I'm just saying the way you talking, like you acting like we just sitting here talking about some just some old bum. I'm just I'm just curious. Ocho. Who can I say?

Yeah, I mean, listen, I played the game. Listen, I played the game. Wait, stay with me. Stay with me. Stay with me real quick. I play the game on the other side of the ball. So I know I played against Prime. I played against game on the other side of the ball. So I know. I played against Prime. I played against Zant. I have an understanding of both and how good they were.

Hold on. Great as Prime was and how good Zant was. So it's hard for me to sit here and say, you know, the way you do it. When I saw it with my own eyes. I understand how great Prime is. But then I know what that young boy was doing as well when he was playing. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next.

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He used the technique. He used the technique. He used the technique that time doesn't approve of. Two things can be true. Yes, sir. Okay. Some guys like to play press and open the gate. Yes, sir. Okay. Some guys like to play press and open the gate. Yes, sir.

Some guys like to press and put hands. Yeah. Whatever technique works for you. But he was talking as if he was the equivalent because he posted his stats and time stats. Right. Saying, look at our stats. Right. So he's posting those stats as if he's the equivalent.

And I said, he's not. I didn't say he wasn't a good player. I said he went to Pro Bowls. I think he was an All-Pro. I know he won Super Bowls in New England. That's what I said. He took offense that I didn't co-sign him.

I don't need no marketing. I don't need to co- I don't need to cosign. I think everybody's known. I didn't have an opportunity to critique Tyne when he played, when he went back for those two years. Because he was mainly a safety, and he didn't start the game. Okay, that's

fine. But I've never had a problem critiquing any player. I critique Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, you name a player, Ray Lewis, receivers, T.O., Randy. I've never had a problem critiquing because I'm basing it on my not intimate knowledge of the game and film study. When I was at CBS, I would watch film. How many times when I was at CBS or Fox, when you ever heard a guy call and tell about Shannon Sharp, don't know what the hell he talking about?

No, that ain't what happened. See what y'all try to do. What are you doing? That's not what I said. Nope, nope. I never said I've never, see, the difference is Skip tried to say, I said I was better than Tom Brady. I said Tom Brady wasn't playing well.

Why would I, as a tight end, compare myself to a quarterback? Okay, right, right, right, right. I would need to compare myself to Gronk, to Kelsey, or a tight end. Right. That's the only way you can get an equivalent. I said, I said. Yeah. Asante had a great career.

Pro Bowls, Super Bowls. Now, God, like I said, you want to say, Sheldon, you ain't Trav. You ain't Gronk. Right. You right. You got to live with that. You right. Gronk. Right. You right. You got to live with that. You right. You got me.

Right. You got me. But I'm just confused. Hey. But look, bro, I gave you 15 minutes of fame. Fame that you never would have got had you not mentioned me or time. Enjoy it. Now, go back to your solitary life.

Nobody's going to... When was the last... I'll tell you what, Ocho. When was the last time, prior to last night, when was the last time you heard somebody mention Osante Samuel? Take your time. I'm going to go get me some water. Take your time I'm gonna go get me

I'm gonna go get me some water take your time hey chat y'all keep on hey anyway chat we back

on the love set the love set uh other than that it's a great conversation I like it I like the dialogue

I like the back and forth i like players also what we what we always talk about having a belief having not not not only belief in what you can do and what you've already done and bringing it to the forefront bring it to the forefront and supporting what it is you've done in comparison to someone else who is also great and that's okay now a lot of people won't see it that way. As you can see, it includes none. But one thing I've always do, see, is if you were bad at what you do,

then I will always come out and say that. But I played against both. And I understand how good both were. I understand how great Prime was. Obviously catching him on the tail end of his career and obviously playing against Asante during his prime and understanding how good he was, how much of a student of the game he was.

And what I'm not going to do is diminish what I was able to see for years while I was playing and understanding, watching film him here and understanding how good he was and how savvy he was technically. So it's different coming from someone that actually played on the opposite side and understand how savvy he was technically. You know? So it's different coming from someone that actually played on the opposite side and understand how

good he was. You know, so it's hard to say, oh, he's not whoa, whoa, whoa. I had to go against this. I had to go against that for years. So it's different. It's different. You know? Especially and a lot of people in the chat have some comments on Twitter, on X, whatever it may different. You know, especially in a lot of,

a lot of people in the chat, obviously some of the comments on Twitter, on X, whatever it may be, their feelings are always different as well, because it's based off who you know and what they've done. Hey, that was good.

I just asked you a simple question. Which one? Proud of last night. And today, when was the last time you heard somebody mention Asante Sanders? I'm supposed to know. I be on nightcap. Every time a tight end break a record, who record they sit in there?

The most 150-yard game. The most this. The most that. Every Sunday in the NFL season when a tight end does something, who name is up there? When they have them names, he just passed this one. Who name is also up there? Ocho?

Ocho? Hey. Don't worry about Ocho. Hey, Chad. All I try to do, I try to, you know, try to go back and forth, but Ocho, you know, Ocho's like, hey. all I try to do, I try to, you know, try to go back and forth, but Ocho, you know,

Ocho's like, hey. We did go back and forth. That was a good one, though. No, you're laughing. I'm saying, for real, that was a good one. I don't... That was a good one.

That was a good one. No. that was a good one no hey to each his own i wish him the best wish him the best tom brady had missed tension had developed with coach belichick during the tenure during the end of the quarterback's time with the patriots in the latest edition of his weekly newsletter, yes, Brady has a newsletter. I didn't know that. Brady briefly spent some time talking about the split from the Patriots. First, Brady said he knew it was likely wouldn't end up finishing his career with the Patriots. His first thoughts about leaving the team happened two or three years before it actually

happened. It was a creeping decision that lividly passive in back of my mind two or three years until March of 2020 when the whirlwind of a few days made me realize that decision was coming sooner rather than later. After 20 years together,

a natural tension had developed between where Coach Belichick and I were headed in our careers and where the Patriots were moving as a franchise. And it was kind of tension that could only be resolved by some kind of split or one of us reassessing our priorities.

I mean, we could see that from a mile away. Everybody saw it. Everybody saw it. When that Seth Wickersham article came out. Yeah. And they're talking about the Jimmy G? Yeah.

It's a matter of time. Well, listen, you understand that as a quarterback, why do you think Aaron Rodgers felt the way he did when they got Jordan Love? Why do you think Brett Favre felt the way they did when they got Aaron Rodgers? Yes. The writing was already on the wall. He understood that. Brady understood that.

That's why he had to go upstairs and go to the higher up and ask, listen, I don't want this over my back. I don't want this over my shoulder. I'm not comparing the situation, but as a competitor, you, Brady, you shouldn't be worried about nothing that's coming in there at all because of the decisions that Bill belichick wanted to make as far as moving on he was supposed to be your predecessor am i am i using predecessor in the right context no damn predecessor mean he proceeded fuck well oh my bad he came after

what word i'm supposed to use my what you took You talking about Jimmy G? Yeah. He's his heir apparent. Okay. Hey, my bad. My bad. Hey, my bad, Chad. I'm using words. I don't even know what they mean. It sounded good, though.

It did. It did. Hey, but anyway, you know, the competitiveness in him, understanding that you're on the tail and you're on the back end, obviously, is, listen, I want to be able to play freely. I want my mind free. I don I want to be able to play freely. I want my mind free. I don't want to be out here being hesitant, being gun-shy, knowing that if I mess up, y'all going to start the whole,

you know, it's only a matter of time before they start the rumors and the chants. We want Jimmy G and all that stuff. So I understand that. I want him gone. I don't even want him here. And I know that. I want him gone. I don't even want him here. And I know that was a Robert Kraft decision. I know it was.

What happened was, is that if you study the 49ers, for the most part, after 10 years, Coach Walsh, you look at Ronnie, you look at Roger Craig, you look at a lot of the guys.

Only, they start, and so you start, you move off a guy. The thought process was, Ocho, you move off a guy one year early as opposed to one year late. Coach Belichick had studied the history and says, you know what? Guys start to taper off. And if we don't have that bridge,

we're going to be like the Pittsburgh Steelers until they got Roethlisberger from Ted Bradshaw. We're going to be like the Miami Dolphins. We're going to be like a lot of these other teams. Excuse me, the Buffalo Bills, Jim Kelly, until they got Josh Allen. So if we don't start a succession plan now, successor, heir apparent, whatever you want to use the term,

what Jimmy G was supposed to do. Coach Belichick says, what, heir apparent, whatever you want to use the term, what Jimmy G was supposed to do. Coach Belichick says, what I've studied, what I've learned, is teams wait too long to find the successor or the heir apparent to said great quarterback. I don't want to make that mistake. I want to have a guy in place, get him a couple years under his belt, push him out the door, the guy steps in. Right.

That's what he wanted. But Tom was saying, hold on. Damn, I'm going to the Super Bowl damn near every other year. Every second or third year. I'm still an MVP candidate. I'm still going to Pro Bowls. And you talk about I'm slipping?

What are you watching? And when they redid Tom's contract and they didn't add years, they just took that bonus and gave it to him. Up front.

I said, it's done. Go back and look at, I said, it's done. I said, he's not coming back. I remember. I remember. He ain't coming back. He's not coming back.

But listen. And the grip, because here's the thing, Ochoa. When you have success, see, as long as you don't mind who gets the credit, you don't realize how successful you can be. There we go. It started to be a push and pull because everybody,

because we talked about all the time, who deserves more credit, Belichick or Brady? Belichick or Brady? There is no way to definitively tell unless they left. One left. If one leaves and wins without the other, there it is. Tom leaves, wins a championship in his first year, gone. Yes, sir.

Okay, now, Coach Belichick, now you get a chance to answer. I ain't saying you got to win one the next year, but you got to win. Right. But it went the other way. He got to the playoffs the playoffs like okay maybe maybe he got something yeah but then boom boom he stepped off a cliff tom still played at an elite level yes sir he won the super bowl he got to the playoffs every year there you have it yeah the reason why the patriots won was because of one two not the only reason but now people was willing to give him more credit yeah and and also you have to understand

when one two leaves when he leaves out leave New England in order for Bill Patriots Robert Kraft to still have that continued success You got to have the heir apparent at the most important position on the field that touches the ball every play. You got to have one of those on. You have to have one of those to compete. You got to. Now, those are some big shoes you got to fill,

but boy, that's a tall task, especially when you talk about filling the shoes of the greatest of all time. Yeah, but the thing was that I'm concerned about is that Coach Belichick had an up-close

and personal look at Tom and he know how motivated he was by the slightest of slights. Oh, yeah. You put the biggest slight on the world on this man. It wasn't that he was drafted into the sixth round.

It wasn't that he had to start as a backup. Even after the greatness in which he had displayed for you for 20 years you was willing to push him out can you imagine yeah 20 years of excellence six super bowls all those appearances nine appearances and so you know what we appreciate your services but we think the guy that we got behind you is better yeah so what do you think that was going to do for Brady? If you think he was motivated

by not being the first quarterback taken, or one of the middle quarterbacks taken, he was taken in the sixth round. 199. You just put the biggest target on your back. Right. That was a good one. The Volume.

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