Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Lakers pull one back, The Suns are done, the NFL Draft

Episode Date: April 28, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Lakers avoiding a sweep against the Nuggets, a convincing Celtics win over the Heat, the Mavs in control over the Clippers, the Suns looking beat. Then, they discuss everything going on in the NFL draft so far. 0:00 Introduction1:00 Lakers avoid sweep, Unc talks up Anthony Davis9:00 Celtics beat Heat13:30 Mavs take 2-1 lead against Clippers, PG & Harden are inconsistent17:45 Suns go down 0-3...will they blow it up if they get swept?35:00 Kirk Cousins after Michael Penix pick43:00 Keon Coleman's presser49:00 Shannon tells story about his draft class buying expensive stuff & him not understanding51:00 Ocho explains why he loved living at the Bengals stadium #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He's your favorite number 85, route runner extraordinaire, Bengals ring of fame honoree, pro bowler, all pro, and he's Liberty City's own Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson. Thank you for staying up late with us. It's greatly, greatly appreciated. So let's get right into it, Ocho. The Lakers beat the Nuggets 119-108, snapped the 11-game win streak. The Nuggets were on. They had won seven straight in the playoffs. And if I'm

not mistaken, the Lakers hadn't beat the Nuggets since December of 2022. They extended series to a game five, which would be Monday, back in Denver. LeBron James, 30 points. Anthony Davis had a monster night. He had 25 points, 23 rebounds. He

led the team in assists. D'Lo, 21 points after Ofer the other night. D'Lo, 21 points after Ofer the other night. Austin Reeves, 21 points. And still, Nikola Jokic was incredible again. 33 points, 14 rebounds, 14 assists. Despite Jamal Murray is only

shooting 38% from the floor. He's shooting 25% from the three, and they're up. That just goes to show you, it's not when you shoot bad, it's when you shoot bad. Because come fourth quarter, in those first three games, when they needed him to make big plays

and big shots, Jokic is going to do what Jokic does. So all we can ask Anthony Davis to do, play him to a standstill. LeBron, that means you're going to have to play Murray to a standstill or exceed what he does. I say, okay, guys, now let's make it three on three.

Austin Reeves, D'Lo, Rui, you got Aaron Gordon, Caldwell, Pope, and Murray. You got to outplay them. And for the first time, those three outplayed their three. Right. Yeah, I think that was the difference in this game, obviously, where Russell D'Lo playing well this game and not having an 0-4. And obviously, Reeves also had a good game as well. And they closed out the second quarter.

And the third quarter, when they did have a lead, they had a good third quarter as opposed to the previous three games before. The third quarter was really, really bad, where obviously the 20-point lead was blown in a game where they shouldn't have won. But tonight, they finished really well. And I'm hoping they can stay with the same momentum, even though they're going to be in Denver. It's going to be difficult, and Denver's going to want to close it out.

But let's make the series interesting. Let's make it interesting. And, I mean, who knows what can happen? Obviously, Denver being the better team, obviously. AD playing like a monster. LeBron is going to do what he does. But I have a feeling if the supporting cast for the Lakers, outside of AD and LeBronron continue to play the way they played

tonight, they have a chance. Maybe not to win. Maybe not to win, but at least make the series interesting. This is the greatest playoff series I've ever seen Anthony Davis play. On both ends of the court, he's giving you the points production. He's giving you the rebounding.

He's going up against the best player in the world and he's played him to a standstill. Now, we know he's not going to have the assist total that Yoke has because they don't run their offense through AD. They normally run their offense. A lot of their offense is run through Nikola Jokic. And so he's going to always be up there. He's going to always be somewhere between 9 and 13, 14 assists.

You understand that. But you got to, A, keep him off the glass. You got to out-rebound him, and you probably got to stay pretty close to him in points. And tonight, Yoke had 33-14. He missed some shots normally around the rim that he normally makes. 33 points, 14 rebounds, 14 assists.

But it was Anthony Davis and LeBron, and D-Lo and Reeves did what we've been asking them to do for the entire series. So LeBron and D-Lo and Reeves did what we've been asking them to do for the entire series. So LeBron James scores 30. Anthony Davis has 25 points, 23 rebounds, six assists in which he led them in that category, if I'm not mistaken. D-Lo had 21 points. Austin Reeves had 21 points. And they hold off the Denver Nuggets.

Fourth of game five back in Denver. Nikola Jokic, 33-14 and Murray is still struggling shooting the ball from the floor and the three-point line, but the best part about this, they didn't let this thing get within three, let this thing get tied up because

we know he's more than capable of taking this game over. So the Lakers stave off elimination and they force a game five and the Nuggets' 11-game win streak against them, including seven in the postseason, and the Lakers hold on and win. Game five is Monday in Denver. Anthony Davis this postseason, he's averaging 31 points,

16 rebounds, a block and a half a game, 62% field goal percentage. See, and this is why so many people get on Anthony Davis. Now, look who he's going against. That's the best player in the league. And you giving us 31-16, a block

and a half on 60. That's the expectations. That's why I get upset at AD. Because you see the skill set. You see it. It's on full display. And matter of fact, you see it it's on full display and matter of fact the fact that it's on display and remember what lebron said i'm not sure if it was that beginning of the season when there was a question that that arise from i believe from a reporter and he said this was 80's team yeah this this is this is this is why because even lebron knows what 80 is capable

of doing in situations like this. Obviously, riding to the occasion against you saying the best player in the NBA. And hell, 32 points first game, 32 points the second game, 33 points the third game, 25 tonight. You can't ask for nothing

else. With 16-31-16 a block and a half on 62% field goal? The problem is they need to make sure they keep him active because think about it. He only had one field goal attempt the other night in the fourth quarter. In the fourth quarter, right. The other game, he only had four field goal attempts. Nah, give him five, give him six.

Feed him. Look, what Jokic tries to do, he tries to wear you down on the other end because he knows he's not a defensive guy. So he's going to try to take it out of you on the other end while you're dealing with him. So, Anthony Davis, what you need to do is take it out of his ass when he has to guard you on the defensive end and make him suffer. Go at him.

Go at him. But I love what I've seen. Go ahead. Since Joker is not a defensive guy, obviously he's an offensive guy, Make him suffer. Go at it. Go at it. But I love what I've seen. Go ahead. Since Joker is not a defensive guy, obviously he's an offensive guy. Spectacular on offense. Yes. Is he a liability on defense or no?

He's not for the simple fact he gives you so much offensively. Okay. I mean, and he's going to get rebounds. He gives you opportunities. The difference in this ballgame, Ocho, if you go back and look at it, the Lakers won the rebounding battle. The Lakers was only one behind in offensive rebounding. Normally, they were getting whitewashed on the glass.

They were losing the offensive rebounding by six, by seven. Now you only lost it by one. You won the rebounding battle. And so as long as you can win the rebounding battle because you can't keep giving great, good teams, great teams constant looks at you. It's kind of like an outspurt on third down. You let a team go get 60% on

third down. Oh, you got them in third. You keep letting the team okay, it's third down. All right, first down. We got to be third down. First down. Eventually, that's going to catch up with JoJo because they're going to turn those conversions,

they're going to turn those into points. Right. So congratulations to the Lakers. Something that I did not think I would be saying is that the Lakers forced a game five. LeBron got, this is probably the most agitated I've seen him, on a call when Murph went up and swung and the ball went out of bounds. And he said, I didn't touch it.

Challenge it. And normally, normally, they defer to their franchise players. They're great players. If Giannis wants somebody, if he does this, whether they think it's or not, they're going to challenge him. Challenge it, right. Hey, Mike Malone's going to challenge it. Steph's or not, they're going to challenge him. Challenge it, right. Mike Malone's going to challenge it. Steph Curry says this, they're going to challenge it.

And so he was so agitated, he was going at Darvin Hamm, they back door get a layup. And he was like, uh-uh. He's like, when I say challenge it, challenge it. They did the second time with D-Lo. With D-Lo, and that ball went out and he hit that finger.

Darwin didn't hesitate that second time. And they got the ball. They got the ball. It had to have gone out the way he said. Because for LeBron to get that animated, and that ball had gone off of him? Do you understand what people would have said? Yeah. So for him to get as animated and as dejected as he did when they didn't challenge it and they got a bucket on the i was like yeah i i

didn't need because i don't know why they didn't reach because the referee handed the ball so quick to the nuggets because there was a way because if you look at it, go back and look, the camera didn't even really see the back door until at the very end because the official gave it to them so quick. Right. But they hold on to win. Not a big, not that glad that play didn't come back to

bite them. Oh, Cho. Yes, sir. The Celtics beat the brakes off the heat. The heat wasn't on today. 104 to 84 after franchise record 23 or 43 from the behind Yes, sir. The Celtics beat the bricks off the Heat. The Heat wasn't on today. 104-84. After a franchise record, 23-43 from behind the arc, and a Game 2 victory, the Heat went back to looking ordinary. They shot 9-28 from the 3. That's why we lost.

You just said it. You just said why we lost. Shooting 9-23 from the 3 when we didn't look like that the last game, and we shot them, we beat the Celtics at their own game last time we played them. Y'all did. I mean, hell.

I mean, there's not much I can say. Obviously, we have to shoot a high efficiency in order to beat them, especially with the absence of... I mean, he is our best player, right? Who, Jimmy? Yeah. I would say Bam, but okay, I mean, he is our best player, right? Who, Jimmy? Yeah. I would say Bam, but okay, I get what you're saying.

Okay, okay, yeah, you get what I'm saying. So you got to shoot. You got to shoot a fishing from the field when he's out. Across the board, I mean, we're, they just have the better team. They have the better matchups have the They do The better matchups It's not fair And if we're gonna win We got to be efficient, man

And I mean To me It pains me to say this I don't think we have a chance anymore You got a chance to pay me my money? Okay, I'll tell you what I do, Ocho Whoa, whoa, whoa Come on, come on, come on.

We bet. I owe you money? No, no, no. You don't owe me yet. You don't owe me yet. Now, I'll let you buy out. We bet $500. Five?

Yeah, we bet $500. I owe you $100. I'll let you buy out. So that'll be $400 if I win. You can buy it right now for $300. Wait, I bet on the series, right? You did. We only, it's two, what,

two one or what is it, three one? Oh, we good, we good, we good, we good, we good, we good. Because listen, we not going to shoot, we not going to shoot nine for 28 or whatever it was again. You ain't going to shoot 23 or 43 either. Oh, you think we're going to have a repeat of what you just saw tonight? No, but I don't think y'all are going to shoot a franchise playoff record 23 either.

Okay, say less. Say less. Bet still on. Bet still alive. Okay, okay. You want to double it? You want to increase it? Increase it to what?

Whatever you want. Man, listen. Make it light on yourself, baby. These pockets over here run deep because I don't spend no money. So whatever you want to do, make it light on yourself. Huh? Throw it on the floor now. I'm going to pick it up.

You want to put another five on it? Well, put another five on it then. I mean, I thought our feed got stuck because you... No, put another five on it, Dan. Okay. Put another five. You got the right one.

You got the right one. Scared money don't make no money. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. I like that. Yeah. I like that. I know exactly what I'm going to do

when I win, too. Oh, they say we bet $200 So let's bet another $200 So you trying to jip me You trying to steal my money man Here's what we did Chad I appreciate that That's love

What did we bet You owe me $400 from this year Betting on your boy Darius Tony and Zach Wilson. Dang. You bet on your boy. So I was up. I was up. I'm still up, actually.

Actually, I was down $100. We bet $500. You owe me $400, so I was down $100. Right. Okay. So now I'm about to be up 400. You taking the money

from football season and you carrying over like you're doing a math problem. You're carrying over the money. Yeah, that's how it works. To the next bet. Yeah. Okay. Okay, say less. I mean, have you ever got anything on credit? Oh, yeah. My face is clean, especially here in Miami.

Get a lot of things on credit. Yeah, see? That's what you do. So they carry it over. If you don't pay the bill out one week, they run it all over to the next week when you get some more stuff. So the Heat lose to the Celtics 104-84, and it's a 2-1. So Boston sees his home court back

the Mavs look, hold on the Mavs took a 2-1 series lead Russell Westbrook, P.J. Washington was both dejected after Chippy played Kawhi's questionable for Sunday's game 4 after showing in game 3 he did very

little to inspire confidence that that knee inflammation will allow him to save the Clippers. PG had his worst field goal percentage to foul ratio. He gave the Clippers two losses. He has as many fouls, 10, as made field goals out of 25 attempts. Harden had more turnovers in game three, five, than in the first two games combined. It's just, this is just not a good matchup for them, Ocho.

For the simple fact, those two guards, they don't have an answer for. Right. And their bigs are active. So they get to the game, they start getting in the lane and you start focusing on them and then they just lob it up and they go lively

and they go gaffer. Boom, boom, boom boom and with paul george playing the way he's playing and kawaii limited well you need the beard see now after the first game we've been getting james hard i told y'all y'all didn't need james hard y'all needed the beard that's not nice that's not nice but go ahead and so that's what and that's what's happening so in order when you're one of your best players and i believe kawai is the best player when he's down other guys have to step up their play right and right now they're not getting that kind of production from pg they're not getting that kind of production from james and russ got himself in foul trouble and you know he

didn't really give him that that energy off the bench that we know he's capable of. Right. So, I mean, obviously, Russ was 0 for 7 from the field. He had 19 minutes played, and he was suspended for his antics, obviously. Ejected. Yeah, I'm sorry, ejected. But he was ejected for his antics, obviously, not being able to control his emotions. Will that affect the Clippers in the next game? Even though he didn't give them much tonight,

we know what Russell is capable of doing. In order for them to actually win this series, I think they're going to need contributions from everywhere, from everyone for that matter. And obviously the beard or James Harden, whichever one you want to call him. We hope he can play like he did. Was it game one or game two?

Yes, game one. He was sensational. Yes. Yeah, we need him, especially with Kawhi being limited. We need the beard to play at the highest level he can. What you need is Paul George to be what he said he is, which is playoff peak. We know he can get it going.

We know he's capable of giving you an efficient 20 plus. We know he can get in the 30s. We've seen him go score 40. This Paul George right here, with Kawhi being limited and potentially out, you're not getting past the Mavericks. You're not.

You're not. So you're going to have to find a way to get somebody more involved to go along with James Harden and when James Harden plays well, he needs another guy. Now they got great production in the first game. Remember the first game, Zubat's game in 2015, which was a career playoff high.

But a big man, yeah. So that's what you need. If one of my guys gives me something, I'm going to need somebody that I'm not really expecting a whole lot from. I'm going to need him to give me something also. Like you say, I'm going to need him to put something on it. And right now, lately, they haven't had anybody put anything on it. And so you see Luka, you see Kyrie doing what they do.

But Lively has come in, and he's been very active. I mean, I think he had probably about six dunks. I mean, he was dunking everything. And that's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to finish. You leave no doubt. So that series is 2-1. 2-1, yeah.

2-1 Mavs. Yeah, and it doesn't look good for Kawhi. And look, Kawhi is never going to be the same. There's only so many times that a doctor can go into the body without it adversely affecting you. Yeah, the same part of the body at that. Yep, yep. That's unfortunate, man. That's unfortunate. Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles, break free from the chains of trauma, and silence the negative voices that have kept them small.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Suns go down 3-0. The Timberwolves are one win away from winning their first playoff series since 2004. The Suns' home crowd booed the team. Katie, they expect so much out of us. They pay the harder money, and they deserve to react how they want to react. It's on us, the players, to use it as fuel,

and hopefully it ignites us for the next game. I've never been swept a day in my life, said Bradley Beal, who scored a team-high 28 points. I'd be damned if that happens. What you thinking? I like it. I like it. I like it from Brad.

I like it. I like it. Talking is one thing, but being able to go out there and execute it is a whole nother And there's a young fellow Out there in Minnesota Ant-Man Name Ant-Man Who ain't playing no games

He ain't playing no games Off the night 38 points Shoot hell In the clutch time You talk about closing out a game. He had 18 in the fourth. Nine boards, five assists. 11 for 11 from the free throw line. Yes.

Man, he ain't coming to play. He ain't coming to play. And he mean business. You saw what he was doing, right? Yeah, he was doing a number on them. That's what he was doing. Hold on. I'm trying to find out. You know what he was doing, right? Yeah, he was doing a number on them. That's what he was doing. Hold on, I'm trying to find out. You know what that means. I'm not

allowed to say it on here, but I'm working on my cursing, but Ant-Man is the real deal, man. Oh, he gave him that work. Oh, he gave him the work for sure. Yeah, you down 3-0. Listen, I don't know what more Kevin Durant can do.

I don't know what more Booker can do. I don't know what more Bradley Beal can do. And when you look at it, when I look at it, I think of the Minnesota Timberwolves as a two-headed monster. Yeah. Ant-Man and Cat. And when I look at the Suns on paper, to me... They're supposed to be a three-headed monster.

I mean, hell, they are. And when I think think about the series let's say you didn't know basketball but you just look at you look at the rosters and the first thing you gonna say is well I would say even though my basketball knowledge is is nowhere near like yours or some of the people in the chat that enjoy it I would say oh yeah the Suns gonna win this Suns gonna win this um win this series just based on the names on paper in general. And, hell, they down 3-0. You know what's happening, Ocho? They were minus 27 on the rebounding.

They got our rebound at 50 to 23. They was minus 10 on offensive rebounding. They gave up 15. They got five of their own. So, but see, the size Besides, when I tell people, I say, oh, man. At some point in time, they're going to miss. KD, I don't care how great your shooters are.

At some point in time, you got to stop somebody. At some point in time, you got to grab a rebound once the opposing team misses. If you force a missed shot and you don't secure the rebound, you haven't actually done anything. The possession does not end until you grab the rebound.

As long as they get the rebound, you haven't done anything, you forced a missed shot, okay, and? That's crazy. And man, most 30-point playoff games in Wolves' history was seven. Well, actually, he's only played and Wolves history was seven. Well, actually,

he's only played, oh, he had seven. Kevin Garnett had seven as well, but Anis played 33 fewer games. Right. And, you know.

Golly. So, this series is opening, basically. What do the Suns need to do to get back in the series? Do they even have a chance? Rebound.

Rebound. But see, they're at a disadvantage. Because think about it. You got 7'2 Gobert. You got 7'0 Cat. God dang. Wait, wait, wait. Cat's 7'0?

Yeah. Dude like that? Yeah, Cat, yes. Man. And you got Nas Reed coming off the bench. He's probably 16. So you might as well just chalk it up for the Suns. So obviously if the Suns get swept like this,

are they blowing up the team? Or are they going to run it back? How are you going to blow it up? Think about what you gave up to get Kevin Durant. You gave up Mikael Bridges. You gave up Cam Johnson. You gave up a lot of your pieces and basically all your first round picks.

So what, Greenville, how? Right, you have no choice but to run it back. So, I mean, I don't know. I mean, where does KD want to go? I mean, I thought he wanted to go there. I'm sure he did. Yeah.

Because they gave him a solid and put him in a place where he could win. He had Chris Paul last year. He had Book last year. They had Aiden. And they didn't get it done. So I'm just trying to figure out

where can they ship him that they're going to get value. Because you're never going to get the value. You're never going to get the value for one of those guys. Right. Not that kind. No, no, not that kind.

But I mean, if they want to ship them somewhere and they can use Amazon Prime, bring them on down to Miami. Come on down to Miami. You know what they're going to want? They're going to say, give us Bam. Give us Jimmy Butler and Tyler Hero. Oh, come on now. You can't get you to get a whole goddamn house now.

Well, what? OK, what do you want me to take You want me to take Kevin Love? You definitely can't take the heart and soul That Jimmy Butler Well, okay, well You can't take the heart and soul Okay

But that's just me In case Well, I don't want it I don't want it Whatever you got to offer, I don't want it Give me Jimmy Butler Give me Bam Give me Tyler Hero.

I'll give you Kevin Durant. That ain't happening. Because guess what? The Suns have zero playoff wins this season. They got zero first-round picks 2025 through 2030. They got zero second-round picks from 2024 to 2030. So what are they going to trade? So let me ask you a question.

Yes, sir. Like the old lady said in my hometown, what are they going to trade? So let me ask you a question. Yes, sir. Like the old lady said in my hometown, what you want me to get it with, ass and mouth? What the hell? Come on, man. What do they have to offer that can entice somebody

to say, okay, yeah, yeah, we want that? That's tough, man. Especially with what they had to give up for, KD. You would expect more. Hey, they made it to the playoffs, but they got there and haven't won any games. And then you run into a juggernaut. They're young and hungry.

Of a young animal. Young, hungry animal by the name of Anthony Edwards ain't playing no games at all. But here's the thing in order for you to get Kevin Durant, I mean if Kevin Durant wants to

leave, you're going to have to give you're going to have to give up because in return I want some draft capital but I also want players right now that can help me win. I can't just take I just can't take a draft. Oh, Joe, I need some play. I need players. Right. Right.

Think about it. This this is their team for the foreseeable future. They got no draft picks. None. They got one second round pick this year. After that, they got no draft picks until 2030. So I don't know what can you offer? You ain't got no draft picks, so

now, if you want Kevin Durant, somebody that gives, they're going to want, okay, you want KD? I want two or three of your best players, and I'm going to need some first-round picks. Because that's what they gave up. Two or three? Two or three.

Ash, what did Phoenix give up to get Kevin Durant? I don't like that. We know they gave up Mikael Bridges. We know they gave up Cameron Johnson. We know they gave up substantial, damn,

all the draft picks. I mean, if they don't turn this thing around, this might be the biggest mistake since Aesop gave his kingdom away for a horse.

But, you know, this is the first year though, right? It's the second year. Ah, shit. I mean, how long y'all think? How long you I mean, you make it seem like KD 25. No, I know.

I'm thinking it's their first year altogether. So I was like, KD came at the trade deadline last year. Him book was already there. I'm thinking it's their first year all together. Where is the first year that Bradley Beal? KD came at the trade deadline last year. Him book was already there. Okay, so I was trying to say the chemistry. Maybe the chemistry of playing together

and understanding each other, it isn't where it should be yet. KD, this is what they gave up to get KD. They gave up Mikael Bridges Cam Johnson Jay Crowder And four Four

Unprotected Future first round picks Four? Four But you know what? You know what? You can't even You can't even say

You can't even talk shit Oh my damn I'm cursing already God dog it You can't even say anything bad Because this is KD We talking about One of the most prolific scoresers in the history of the game.

Yes. So you understand why they gave up. Yes. I mean, why they gave up what they did. Yes. It's unfortunate from a business standpoint on why it didn't work. The only way. You know what you get as a player, though.

Yes, but the only way you can pay it off, they got to win a championship. Because if they don't win a championship, they're crippled for the next five years. I'm talking about crippled. Because you have no assets. What can you trade? You're going to trade book? You're going to trade bill? I mean, you're not going to trade book. Bill, you might be able to trade bill.

What did they give up? What did they give up to get bill? They had to give up something did they give up to get Bill they had to give up something to get Bill who was son's ownership who's the owner of the sons you know

you know Sarver they put Sarver ended up selling it I don't know I don't know the guy off the top of my head

Ojo your son a new ownership for sure see you see you see what whoever the new whoever the owner is for the sons is what you call going all in that's going all in these guys don't normally come become

available and so when they do become available you gotta get them you get them by any means by any means by any means yeah so understand. And I think people understand. I don't think people are upset that the Suns made this move. Nine times out of ten, most teams make this move. Right. Oh, Matt Ishba. Matt Ishba, he was on the Michigan State team that won the national championship. Okay. So he was on that team, Matt Ishba.

And I get it. I get why he did it. You're getting KD. You're pairing him with Bradley Beal, two offensive juggernauts. But for whatever reason, Ocho, it hasn't worked out. And the only way to pay this thing off, they're going to have to win a championship. Right. Man, that's crazy.

The Suns. Next year might be the year. Next year might be the year. Next year might be the year. Think about this. At one point in time, the Suns picked up Bradley Beal for Chris Paul, Landry Shammott, four future first-round pick

swaps, and six future second-round picks. That's what they gave up to get Chris Paul? Damn. I mean, to get Bradley Beal? Bradley like that too, now. Man, you got your damn mind. Ain't no way in hell I'm

giving up four future first round picks and six pick swaps and six future second round picks for Bradley Beal? Man, Bradley Beal is like that. He's like that. I like Beal. But think about what you just said, Ocho.

They have no picks. No picks. I give you that. Okay, the Cincinnati Bengals have no first or second round picks until, let's see, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, until 2029. How are you feeling about that? Yes, sir. Wait, hold on.

Stay with me now. With our current roster? Yes. I'm feeling good. Especially offensively, I'm feeling good. But here's the thing. It's even worse because in basketball, you only have two rounds. So they got no picks.

So now what I'm going to do, I'm going to do you one better. The Bengals got no picks for the next five years. You could even with your current roster. Okay. I don't like that. We're going to need to improve in certain areas. Exactly. Thank you.

Okay. They can't improve because in order for you to improve, you're going to have to either trade Bill, Kevin Durant, or Book. Book ain't going no goddamn well. Honestly,

you really can't afford to lose any of them right now. But here's the thing. Now, Kevin Durant, we know Kevin Durant to move. Kevin Durant ain't got no problem. Kevin Durant got frequent flying miles. He left OKC to go to Golden State. He left Golden State to go to Brooklyn.

He left Brooklyn to go to Phoenix. So we know he ain't got no problem being on the move. Kevin Durant is sojourner. Right. So, I don't know. I don't know what the Suns aren. Right. So, I don't know. I don't know what the Suns are going to do. They're the A.

They're the hard place, Ocho. They're caught. They're between a poop and a fart. I don't know which way. I got to do one. You got to do one or the other,

but I might mess myself up, Joe. Yeah, but either way you go, both of them stink. See? See, now you get it. Now you get it. Now you understand what they gave up

to put this roster as we see it together. And now, because it's not panned out, and I think you're going to probably see less and less guys because it's not panned out and I think you're going to probably see less and less guys because it's not having the immediate ramification

and teams are going to be less and less likely to want to give up future and I get it that commodity but like man this could seriously handicap us the team that's in the best position is OKC.

Because they got like eight, nine first-round picks. They got like 13 second-round picks. And they got the youngest roster. They got the artillery to go get a Kevin Durant. Right.

That'd be nice. The question is does Kevin Durant want to go back to OKC? Because Durant. Right. Ooh, that'd be nice. Question is, does Kevin Durant want to go back to OKC? Because they got the artillery. They got the draft compensation. Now, you're not getting Shea. You're not getting Chet. And you're not getting Jay Williams. Now, the other one, anybody else you want? You want five first rounds?

Huh? Hey, that'd be a good one, though. Shy, Chet, and Kevin Durant. And J. Will, yeah, for sure. Ooh, that's nasty. Wait, who's the big in OKC? Chet. Chet Hungry.

Who had the five? Chet Hungry. He too little to be the five. He's stronger than you think, but that's what they got. That's what they play. He's a stretch five. Man, everybody ain't Joel Embiid now. Damn.

I know, but he ain't got no weight on him. He's just straight up and down now. With the way the game is played now, he's fine. He's fine. He ain't going to be that different. Because there ain't really no banging. There ain't banging down there. Okay, you're right.

You're right. The game has changed. The game has changed. It's a shooting game now. You're right. The game has changed. The game has changed. It's a shooting game now. You're right. My bad. My bad. He ain't got to deal with no Shaq or nothing.

No, hell no. Look, every time Joel Embiid get the ball, hey, you come get it out of hand because you know he ain't going to do nothing with Joel Embiid. Right. Yeah. That's like a mosquito on an elephant. Yeah.

Ojo's time for our first segment. nothing with Joel Embiid. Right. Yeah. That's like a mosquito on an elephant. Yeah. He just. Mm-hmm. Ocho's time for our first segment. News. Let's go. Kirk Cousins' position as the Atlanta Falcons starting quarterback for the foreseeable future has not changed after the team's stunning first-round draft selection of Michael Penix Jr., according to new head coach Raheem Morris.

Falcons selected Penix Jr. with the eighth overall pick on Thursday night. The choice sent shockwaves across the NFL since Atlanta had just signed Cousins to a free agent deal last month, four-year contract worth up to $180 million, with $100 million of that guaranteed. As the Falcons post-draft media availability Saturday, Morris nipped at any kind of quarterback controversy. We came up with a decision.

This is what we plan to do. And Kurt does not have to look over his shoulder every time he throws a bad pass. That's a lie. That's not the case. No, he ain't got to do that, but them fans going to boo. That's a lie.

You know what's going to happen. You already know what's going to happen. Anytime you draft a quarterback that high, you already know what's going to happen. I said it. Everybody told me I was wrong. Obviously, you didn't like the logic behind it, and I explained exactly what it was.

He's coming off an injury his tenure there is not going to be that long maybe one or two years and they're passing the torch on to Michael Pennant Jr. that's exactly what it is excuse me I don't want to say it's common sense because it might not be common to certain people because they still are confused

by the logic of the pick and I'm telling you what they're doing Kirk Cousins is great. He's great. He's always great in the regular season. No, I'll give him good. So we want some of that.

We want some of that regular season magic and see what we can do. See if you can get to the playoffs with what we have here. You got Drake London. You got B. John Robinson.

You got Kyle Pitts and a very, very nice supporting cast that you can work with. Right. Let's see what we can do. You got a year, maybe two, and the torch is going to be passed

on Michael Penning Jr. Now, if you play bad this season and the fans become unsettled, no matter what Mr. Raheem Morris says, I respect him to death, but you will be replaced. You will be replaced and they will throw Brother Penix to the Sharks.

That's what I call it. When a rookie start, I call it throwing him to the Sharks. But you better know how to swim. Well, you know, I don't know the record. Russ right now got the record 85 million. Can you imagine signing a quarterback to that kind of deal and cutting him after one year? Because even if you trade him, that's still dead money on your cap.

Oh, yeah. So it's going to be very, very interesting. I think you know what, Ocho, had they not paid, let's just say they gave him a two-year deal. Let's just say they gave him a two-year deal. Yes, sir. Or three-year deal because you want to prorate it out.

And it was somewhere around $90 million. But the fact that they went four years at $180 million and they gave him $50 million at the time of signing and they still got another $50 million to give him, that's why people are scratching their heads like, well, damn. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just listen.

Again, we understand the quarterback situation across the league in general. In general, there are many, many teams, many teams that don't have quarterbacks. So they had to jump at the opportunity for a quarterback that is phenomenal offensively in the regular season. Because if you look at what he's done in the playoffs, most people are like, well, what the hell did you do that for? Look at what he does during the season. That's why they did it. Not only did they do it, you had to overpay for it because of where the market is based on his resume throughout the past,

even though he had no playoff win. Wait, he doesn't have a playoff win, right? I think he got one. Yeah, if I'm not mistaken. Let me ask you this, Ojo. Yes, sir. What kind of Carrillo guy? Maybach and a GLS, SLS 500, whatever the hell that shit is.

Okay. Real got a Maybach. Real goes out and buys another Maybach and pays $2 million for it. Yeah. You go like, damn, baby. No, let's say a used Maybach. One that's like five years old. She pays $2 million for it.

Right. And then next month, she goes out and buys another Maybach. What you gonna say? Why are you paying that kind of money for a depreciating asset? Thank you. See, that's what people are saying.

Kirk Cousins in his mid-30s coming out from an Achilles injury. And it's not like you're getting Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes, even if that's the top. But let's just say they're getting someone that has five, six playoff wins. Okay, people might say, well, okay. But damn, they're getting someone that has five, six playoff wins. Okay, people might say, well, okay. But damn, they're like, hold on. Y'all paying this man like he Mahomes. Y'all paying this man like he Burrow.

Like he paid Manning or Tom Brady. You know what's funny? He's not Brady, Burrow, or Manning, but look at his regular season numbers. Oh, yeah. Look at his regular season numbers. Oh, yeah. Look at his regular season numbers. You're going to be like, what the, you know what?

And that's where he's able to command and warrant the money that he got from the Falcons. But you see what this is? Even with no playoff success. But see what you, do you see what you said? Now, Dak put up them same kind of regular season numbers and they kill it

Lamar Jackson win MVPs he don't win in the postseason they kill him you see what you just said about Kirk Cousins yes sir he ain't never had a regular season like Lamar and Paul Lamar

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He better stop playing. He better stop playing. He better stop playing. We ain't got a house in there. Okay, okay. I'm just curious. They complaining about the money they gave Dak and talking about, well, he got... For me, I look at a loss as a loss. I mean, whether you lose by one

or you lose by... Yeah, Dak hadn't played his last playoff game. They lost, what? Twice to San Francisco. And they lost in the fashionoff game they lost what twice to San Francisco and they lost in the fashion in which they lost especially against Green Bay but y'all make it seem like Kirk Cousins going to the NFC championship game

he has not he has not so at the end of the day expectations should be the same when I pay a guy that kind of money I'm expecting the results to come along with that. Because what you said is absolutely true. And that's the problem with all the quarterbacks that I mentioned.

Lamar, Dak, and Kirk and Cousins. In the regular season, we see the numbers that they put up. But we didn't see Lamar go get that 300-yard passing game and that 100-yard rush game. We didn't see Dak throw for 400 until it was late in the ballgame because at the start of the fourth quarter, he had 73 yards. And we see Cousins then. So that's why people own him.

They're like, bro, I just saw you throw for 400 yards. I just saw you do this. I saw you do that. Where is that cousin? Where is that Lamar? Where is that Dak? Whereas we've seen the homes throw for 400 yards, but says, you know what? This isn't the type of game that I'm

going to throw for 400. And then go boom, boom, boom, boom, throws for 180, 190 with three or four touchdowns the thing is is that the really great quarterbacks understand early in the game what the game is going to call for this game is going to call for me to be a game manager oh joe right i can't turn the ball over and i'm not going to have gaudy numbers at the end. Look at Mahomes, his last two Super Bowls. But this one went into overtime. So he had a little bit more.

But if you go back and look at the game against the Eagles, he had less than 200 yards. But every possession in the fourth, I mean, in the second half, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown touchdown field goal, we win we win, yeah and that's what they expect from Cousins Lamar, you know what that was right

he was a game manager he was a game manager, and for some reason that word, that phrase, that analogy, is taking on a negative connotation is frowned upon by the quarterbacks, that analogy is taken on a negative connotation. It's frowned upon by the quarterbacks when it's really not a bad thing.

The greatest game manager has been Tom Brady because Tom Brady within a couple of series he understands what type of game he needs to play in order to win. Yeah. I'm going to have to

outgun. Okay. Oh, man, these defenses. Oh, no, we cannot turn the ball over. No pick-sixes. No skip-scooping scores. Nothing. Yeah. You got to pick and choose when to be a gunslinger and when to be a game manager. Keon Coleman's

presser goes viral. Ocho Slingo 2.0 had a hell of a press conference for the Buffalo Bill. Let's take a listen to Keon Coleman's presser goes viral. Ocho Seco 2.0 had a hell of a press conference for the Buffalo Bill. Let's take a listen to Keion Coleman's presser. Yo, Keion. Got you a coat from here. Man, you forgot what the school in Michigan for two years? Guess where I got this from though. Yeah.

I'm saying you got to guess. You're going to be wrong though, but guess. Tom Izzo. Nah. Macy's. What you mean? Yeah. Tom Izzo. Nah. Macy's. What you mean? Yeah. Let him know. They be on sale on the rack. All the colors. Look, 79, 89. Nice little deal. You can get the

trench coat for like a hundred dollars. Nice little, I'll take it personally. I might go get some more colors. I need a blue one and another red one. Yeah. I'm with you. There's good things giving sales too. Yeah. I'm with you. It's good things do excel, too. That's what I usually do. See, I ain't know nothing about Thanksgiving. You see, I shop like my mama.

I get my coats in the summertime. Come on, now. You got to shop a season or two before, just in case, and it be cheaper. Because you go on Thanksgiving, everybody in Thanksgiving, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Come on, now. Who we starting with? Oh, we can go. Oh, my bad.

Hold up. Y'all can hear me? This on or this off? All right, bro. I'm just making sure I'm hoping you ain't trying to set me up. Who we got going first? Hey, he just been talking for three minutes. Somebody just staying on?

Staying on. Hey, listen. I like him. I love it. I love it. Hey, that's my guy, man. That's my guy. That's my guy. His energy, his aura,

obviously, up here. And that started at home. Yes. That discipline he's sitting there talking about, everybody laughing and joking, hee-hee. Boy, you just came to the NFL.

You just got drafted. Yeah. And you already got it up here, especially when it comes to spending your money. So if you're already like that, if you're already financially conscious like that, well, we ain't got to worry your money. So if you're already like that, if you're already financially conscious like that, well, we ain't got to worry about him.

Now, if you take that same energy that we just saw in that press conference and implement it on the field and be the same dog I'm used to seeing at FSU, man, shoot, game over, man. He can be special because you hear the way he talk. So that means

advertisers and sponsors love to get behind him. Oh, yeah. He got the personality. He got charisma. You see, the thing that I like about him is the thing that a lot of athletes make mistakes. Ocho, you know what they do? What's that? They spend money they haven't received yet.

Come on, talk now. And that's where you run into the problem. Come on, talk now. Why am I spending what run into the problem. Come on, talk now. Why am I spending what I don't even have? But I'm going to get it, but you don't have it. Yeah, because you got to borrow it. So, guess what you borrow it, you guess what you got to do? You got to pay it back.

You're going to pay back money with interest when you can just wait and you ain't got to pay for no interest. Mm-hmm. You see, that's what people don't understand. Well, you know, the interest rates are, what's your interest rate? Interest rate, 7-8%? Woo! So, you know what?

I got a question. Yes, sir. You know, most of the time your agent give you a loan. Right. Now you got to give it back to your agent. Do you think the agent charges interest as well or whatever they give you, they just allow you to pay just that back? I'm just curious. How do you think that works? I've never taken out a loan.

I took out a loan from my brother. I'm talking about before you get drafted now. The agent will know where you're going and he'll front your money. They probably go into a bank and get a loan against future earners. So, yeah, hell yeah.

I'm assuming... Now, I could be wrong, Ocho, but I'm assuming he's going to get a line of credit. Yeah, I got you. I got you. I don't think he went and got a line of credit

because he told you, man, hey, guess where I got this from? And they got him in a bunch of colors too. Yeah. He got his head on right. And that's the start of the home. That's from mama. That's from mama and old boy.

That's all parenting right there. The discipline is already there. But Keon, I know you're going to see this. Even though you got your head on right, but you put in too much work. You put in too much work to get to this point in your life. You got to treat yourself.

You got to treat yourself. What do you want him to get? Oh, it's on him. It's on him. You got to think, it's been a childhood dream of his to get to this point in life. For one, to be able to take care of yourself.

Most importantly, take care of all the people that made the sacrifices to make sure you got to this point. Mom, dad, whoever else that is immediate family. It might be coaches who I don't know

is his personal circle. But you have to treat yourself for finally making it for all the hard work. You got to take care of yourself. But I ain't even worried about you because just listen to your talk. You got your head on right.

But you got to you got to treat yourself to something nice. Something you've always dreamed of and then and take a back seat and play ball that's it man i had a four-door blazer with cloth seats that would take care of myself because we ain't never had anything better than that so that was good you know my brother got i graduated why did not not that year i got it i got a rolex the year after after my first year because I went back to Savannah State and got my degree, and my brother got me a Rollie with the Jubilee bracelet,

Jubilee band. So, yeah, I mean, I just love him. I just love this kid, and I love his mindset. I love how he thinks. You know, I remember a lot of guys that came in my draft, Ojo. I mean, bro, I'm like, I'm a seventh rounder. You're a

sixth rounder. You ain't made that much more money than me. And you getting Pathfinders and you getting Cherokee, Grand. You remember the Cherokee? They used to have a limited edition Cherokee. So the black one had black rims. The red one had red rims. The white had...

I'm like, what the hell? We had a dude that was a free agent. He went and got one. Did he make the team? He was on the practice squad. So his whole check... Oh on practice squad. Okay.

So his whole check, practice squad wasn't making money like it is now. You got to understand, that was 1990. Things were a little different back then. Hell, if I was making 63, ain't no way in hell. He was probably making half that. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Listen. And then you got to, where you going to stay? Yeah. You got to have, you know, I mean, Yeah So Listen And then you gotta Where you gonna stay? Yeah You gotta have You know I mean My apartment back then Was $550

Mm-hmm Dang $550 Two bedrooms Yeah Now you see Why I slept at a stadium My first two years

Yeah I wasn't spending I wasn't spending none of that Dan Reed Dan Reed was Dan Reed was Dan Reed was a hell of a shit where I slept at the stadium my first two years. I wasn't spending none of that. Dan Reed would go have that shit. But they would never know you there.

I was in the players' lounge. Players' lounge had everything. You know it's plus. This 2001. First of all, how you going to be there? Because I don't know how your coaches did it,

but our coaches wasn't leaving. Them coaches leaving 10, 11 o'clock at night. And see, back then... For one, you know, the coaches don't walk through the locker room, though.

Remember my first year? First year, I had Dick LeBeau. Dick LeBeau was cool. Dick LeBeau might be one of the coolest coaches ever. Dick LeBeau wasn't walking through the locker room. Marvin Lewis, second year, he was cool. Just met him, you know, boom. Nobody had any idea. They always knew I was the first

one at practice at that stadium every morning. Ocho, but you have to understand, back then, they had expanded. Man, look here. Bro, back then, when I played the player lounge, you might get 10 people in there. And the player's lounge was where you actually ate. That was the player's lounge.

I mean, guys really sat in their locker. Yeah, it wasn't like it is now, Ocho. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Our player's lounge was nice. Big TV, is now, Joe. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, hell no. Our players' lounge was nice. Big TV, cable box, pinball machine, arcade machine. There was a PlayStation. There was a PlayStation in 2001. I forgot what PlayStation was out.

Somebody had a PlayStation up there. Yeah. You had everything. So all the amenities as if I'm living at home is there. Cafeteria, shower. What the hell am I going to rent a place for as a rookie with everything I need right here? There was no cafeteria. They brought the food in every single day.

Huh? Yeah, they brought the food in every single day. Y'all didn't have a cafeteria? No. Hell nah. Not my first. Hell nah. We didn't have no cafeteria the whole while I was there.

Wait, how did y'all eat? They brought it in. Oh, like catered. They catered the food in for y'all. Yes. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I understand. And at the end, they take all that out there.

So you'd have been hungry as a mofo. You'd have been hungry. Oh, Joe, that's what I'm saying. Guys now get bread for lunch and dinner they got you pescetarian I don't eat fish I like salmon I like trout they got it

everything such and such need to get 18 need to get more protein blah blah blah they making the shakes for you they cooking can I get two omelets? Let me get a little cheese. Let me get some bacon. Let me get some mushroom.

They doing that right there for you. They got everything. Listen. We the hell that? Nah. The inside of that Bengals locker room now, in the amenities that they have, shake machines,

all the healthy stuff, all the healthy stuff all the greens it's crazy it's bananas it's bananas i mean obviously i didn't we had a nutritionist back then when i was playing i ain't no disrespect i ain't paid him no mind because you already know what i was eating before games and after games i ain't paid him to mind hell keon coleman um did you see that on twitter today you You see what his diet is? Yeah. You saw the clip? I saw that.

And listen. He won't clean that up. Nah. No, he ain't. Listen, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it ain't broke, don't. Same like Puka Nakua. If it's not broke, Puka Nakua ate McDonald's all season long.

Look at the type of season you had. Don't go out there listening to Cooper Cup. And I mean that with all due respect to the Triple Crown winner. If it's not broke, don't fix it. If Keon Coleman's play is equivalent to

that press conference and that confidence he has, Young Bull will be top 10 easily within his second year. All it has to do. If it matches up, if the talk and the play matches up on Sunday, and look who the quarterback is.

Yeah. You know the ball coming. Guys, y'all see Ocho. They looking at guys today and they looking at all that money. You do realize that when I got in the league, there was no free agency. So there was not... Guys, I mean, a million dollars was an S-ton of money.

You got to realize what some of these guys are making in a year, the owners bought their franchise for what these guys make in a year. Bro, I mean, yeah, I know 90 seemed like a long time ago, but everybody didn't have kitchens.

Everybody catered. You had the food brought in. There was not like now, now Baltimore, my last year in Baltimore, I think it was my last year, they had, they would prepare, you know, you won't scramble eggs.

You know, you won't egg. You won't omelet, stuff like that. But it was simple stuff. It's not like it is now. The way it is now, you literally, everybody can go order whatever they want. Pancakes, French toast, whatever. They got waffle makers. They got whatever you want.

Whatever you would go to a restaurant or look at the menu and order, they have it at these. Well, a lot of these I'm not going to say all, but a lot of these facilities. I know they have it at the Broncos now. I know the Ravens have it. But it wasn't like it was. It wasn't then like it is now. And so that's what I'm saying. That's why athletes are getting better. They get better knowledge. They got better nutrition. They got better training. You know what I'm saying?

So you should improve. That's that's called evolution. That's called advancement. It's not a knockout. I'm not I'm not begrudging them. Yeah, because guess what? Guys in the 70s had it better than guys in the 60s and the guys in the 80s had it better than guys in the 60s and 70s and so forth and so on. So eventually,

that's what you get. Keep getting better. Look at these basketball guys. Look how great these guys are playing a lot later in their career. Not just LeBron. Look at Steph Curry. Look at Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant numbers

are better post-Achilles surgery than they were prior. Yeah. That's science. That's medicine. That's technology. Guys know how to eat. They know how to train. They get in a hyperbaric chamber. They get their blood measured. You eat specifically

for your... It's a science. When they say... What's the guy named for the Raiders the left handed quarterback I can't think of his name off the top of my head but his dad he never had a Big Mac his dad trained him

now they got these guys now oh Tom Marinovich that was his name oh from USC yes Tom Marinovich yeah he came out of Yathobi Tom Marinovich hey but now Ocho these guys what do they have Ocho from USC. Yes. Yeah. He came out of Yatham Beach. Tommy Riddle, bitch. Hey, but now Ocho, these guys,

what do they have, Ocho? You ain't know nobody on your team that got a personal chef, did you? Back then? No. See?

I bet you four, five guys per team that got personal chefs. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's an added expense to me i consider it to be unnecessary but whatever works for you and you you you feel that you need to do i'm all for it i'm all for it but here's the thing it's like okay i'm gonna put a studio in my home people say that's an added expense

no it's not nightcap pays bills your body is what pays them bills your body is what helps you make that money so i'm gonna get somebody because here's the thing this is what i always tell people about eating out that restaurant is cooking for a thousand people my chef cooking for one me exact amount of protein the amount exact amount of carbohydrates, everything, sodium, everything to the T. Yeah, that's what McDonald's did to me. They did whatever. They took care of me from the T. McDonald's dotted my I's and crossed my T's, which is why I was who I was.

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